EverydaySpy Podcast - CIA Spy: The Deep State Is Real — And You’re Already Under Their Control

Episode Date: September 27, 2026

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Starting point is 00:00:28 rated R. Are we really controlled by this? I don't know if it's called a worldwide deep state. Are the money people that really control everything that goes on with the world? It's not a president. It's not whoever. It's these people in the background, the billionaires, whatever they want to call them. Control is such a great word, and that's the word I'm going to key in on here, because what we're all afraid of is being controlled. And CIA has a saying, if you're not under control, if you're not in control, then you're under control. Right? So CIA teaches us
Starting point is 00:01:03 if you're not in control, then you're under control. The emphasis in our saying is the first term. You have to be in control. Well, what can you be in control of? You can really only be in control of those things that you can control.
Starting point is 00:01:18 Your actions, your thoughts, what you say, where you say it, where you go, what you're wearing. Those are the things that you can truly be in control of. When you are trying to control, another person is significantly harder. You can suggest, you can encourage, you can motivate, you can manipulate, you can try to coerce. You can do all sorts of things to try to control another person, but at the end of the day,
Starting point is 00:01:44 another person isn't out of your control. But that doesn't mean that they're in control of themselves. So when we talk about a deep state, what people are afraid of in a deep state, they're mislabeling, they think they're being controlled. They're not being controlled. People can buy whatever milk they want to buy. They can buy whatever bread they want to buy. They can buy whatever candies they want to buy.
Starting point is 00:02:05 They can choose when they shop. They can choose what grocery store they shop at. They don't realize the government's not trying to control them as trying to direct them, direct their activities. We don't care what milk you buy, but we want you to buy milk. We don't care what bread you buy, but we want you to buy bread. We don't care what grocery store you shop at. but we want you shopping at major grocery stores, right? That's how the government thinks.
Starting point is 00:02:32 How do we direct the masses? Because we want to funnel them in a productive direction that benefits the national economy. We want to maximize GDP so that we can take the maximum chunk out of GDP to invest in military, surveillance, government, et cetera. So we need them to go in a productive direction that benefits us. But we need to give them enough freedom in that lane that they decide whether they buy
Starting point is 00:02:59 Sprouted Ezekiel bread or whether they buy Wonderbread that's heavily bleached. Think of like a highway that's got six lanes. You can choose what lane you're in. You can choose the speed, when you switch lanes, what car you drive, but you're only going in one direction.
Starting point is 00:03:16 Hmm. So let me ask you this. You brought up something very interesting. As a CIA operative, how do you make sure that you're in control right off the bat? What is your a motor shopperanda in that.
Starting point is 00:03:29 When you're with a person, you're always trying to do the same thing that the government does with the mass. You're always trying to direct their behavior. You know that you can't really control them. I can want you to drink a cup of coffee, but I can't force you to drink a cup of coffee. I can't control that you drink what I want you to drink.
Starting point is 00:03:46 So instead I have to use tools that help to direct that activity. We use a lot of what's known as assessment tools. Assessment tools are tools that give you verbal and not verbal feedback in the moment so that you can start to understand the person's thoughts, the person's feelings, the person's behaviors, values, patterns, ideas. And as you learn about what that person cares about, you try to reflect it back to them, something called mirroring. So you talk about your faith, I'll talk about my faith.
Starting point is 00:04:18 If I see you wearing all black, like I see you today, the next time that we would meet together, I wouldn't be wearing white, right? I'd be wearing nicer shoes because clearly shoes matter to you. You've got a ton of very specific fashion here, right? With the metals that are crossing over each other in the low-cut socks. Like there's an intentionality to the way that you're dressed. So if I want to mirror you, I need to show more intentionality in the way that I dress. And that's how we go about building this assessment and building this subconscious trust.
Starting point is 00:04:50 And then after we have that subconscious trust, we can become more direct. in how we're trying to direct you. It would be kind of rash for me to just order you a cappuccino right now. I don't know if you even drink coffee. But if we have a second or third meeting together, it's fair enough for me to say, hey, do you drink cappuccino? Because there's a great one here.
Starting point is 00:05:10 I'd love to order for you. And now I'm that much closer to getting you to do what I want you to do. Replace cappuccino with, tell me about your bank accounts. Tell me about your boss. Tell me about a new project that you're working on, right? How exactly do you leave North Korea since most people can't leave North Korea? It gets us in the direction of where I need to go.
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Starting point is 00:06:28 You'll, I do a lot of using CIA terminology because CIA terminology gives you such great insight into CIA to understand how they choose their words. Manipulation is a word that many people use, and it's a nefarious word. It has malicious intent behind it. It's not a positive word. Nobody wants to be manipulated, right? CIA teaches us that manipulation might be one way of interpreting what we're doing. If you imagine a coin, right, a large gold coin,
Starting point is 00:07:00 the coin has two different sides and on each side is printed a different symbol. That's what we call heads and tails, right? So the heads might have the head of a famous president, the tails might have a picture of a famous landmark. But the head side and the tail side isn't what actually carries the value of the coin. It's still a gold coin. The value is the metal itself. We see manipulation the same way. Manipulation is one side of the coin. Motivation is the other
Starting point is 00:07:36 side of the coin. So whether you manipulate somebody or motivate somebody is irrelevant. The value is the metal itself. The value is getting them to do what you want them to do. You can manipulate people to get them to do what you want them to do, but you can also motivate people to get them to do what you want them to do. So when people accuse CIA of manipulation, you have 10,000 undercover CIA officers who are saying, you don't get it.
Starting point is 00:08:04 We're just motivating that. Right. Yeah, very interesting. I have to do something right now because since you brought up Cappuccino, my view is very in tune to this, okay? I was going to pour you a glass of wine. This is, by the way, on alcohol, like you drink it. You don't have to drink it.
Starting point is 00:08:19 No. But I'll tell you the difference. And this is after a few minutes talking to you. If I would have poured the wine this way, my viewers would say, I'm not paying attention to this guy. Because an old mob technique, let's see we're all sitting at a table, and somebody walked over and wanted to sit down and join into the conversation. Well, if somebody recognized that this person, we shouldn't be speaking in front of.
Starting point is 00:08:44 When I poured the wine, I would pour around him like this. So, hey, this guy's not on the level, don't talk in front of him. Silence. But since we're talking, you're coming this way because I trust what you have to say, Andrew. That's a great technique. We had our summary techniques, too. Yeah. I know in that life.
Starting point is 00:09:04 But this is, this is, I know. And then I want to share one of our alcohol techniques with you. I love it. That smells nice. And not alcohol. We have to have a taste for it. People are loving this by work. Oh, that's interesting.
Starting point is 00:09:20 So I have to share our alcohol tip with you. So CIA knows that alcohol gets people relaxed. It gets people to let go of certain inhibitions. Keeping secrets is something that inhibits people from talking. But when you're sitting with a Russian, a Romanian, a Ukrainian, a Japanese, a North Korean, or South Korean and Chinese, They can drink, especially their own local drink of choice. They can absolutely outdrink any foreigner who's trying to start a conversation over alcohol.
Starting point is 00:09:58 So we're taught that we go to the bartenders early and we tell them, hey, the tab's going to be on us. And we give them a huge tip early, $50 tip, $100 tip, depending on what we think we're going to spend right out of the gates. Hey, I'm over here. Tab's on me. here's your tip. Now, here's what I need you to do. I need you to dip the rim of my glass in the alcohol of choice, but then fill my glass without any alcohol in it.
Starting point is 00:10:27 So if we're having an old fashion, if we're having a gin and tonic, if we're having whatever, make it look right with the right ingredients, but don't put alcohol in my drink. Just keep it on the rim. And we'll tell the bartender, hey, I'm with some heavy drinkers and I just want to make sure I can drive myself home at night. They never have an issue at all because they already got their tip. Right.
Starting point is 00:10:47 Right. So they are happy to dip your rim in whatever they want to dip it in, charge full price for it. Nobody's losing. And then give you a drink that when you go to the bathroom and your and your asset smells your drink. No, it's definitely got gin in there. They never realize that you're actually drinking a virgin drink. Wow. Might I use that?
Starting point is 00:11:11 You can use mine. They may think you're a mob guy, though, if you do that. That's really cool. That's great. So let me ask you, so your whole job as a CIA agent is really to learn how to motivate, manipulate people. That's really what it is. Absolutely. Wow.
Starting point is 00:11:30 And we do it with a couple different end goals in mind, right? Sometimes you want to steal secrets. Sometimes we want to find a way to create sabotage. Sometimes we're looking to gain a connection. So we realize that your secrets are good, but not as good as that other person's secrets. So we need you to connect us. So there's different types of outcomes that we're looking for, but at the end of the day, it's all people. CIA is the United States primary human intelligence agency.
Starting point is 00:12:00 Human intelligence is a specific term known as human. It's a specific intelligence type of several intelligence types that exist inside the United States. human intelligence is humint, signals intelligence, like what NSA does, is sigint, measurement intelligence, is Mazint, defense intelligence, is deaf int, imagery intelligence is M-int, and there's all these different types of ints, and there's a different agency that masters each one. CIA is the premier agency in the United States for human intelligence. where some see heroes and others see egos Bloomberg sees the era of billionaire athletes while others follow the noise we follow the money
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