EverydaySpy Podcast - CIA Spy: The First Tactical Nuke Is Coming… And No One's Ready

Episode Date: July 29, 2026

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If I have to reframe it, what's one thing that the world doesn't believe as much, which you know is true? Ooh. I think the world, I think the world doesn't believe that we're going. going to use nuclear weapons. I think the world believes that we're going to not use them.

I think we're going to use them? I think we are going to use them. I just don't think we're going to use them the way that people assume from history that they've been used. Most people, when they think of nuclear weapons, they think of a giant missile or a giant bomb that's going to get dropped from a plane on a major city center. And it's going to be Hiroshima all over again, Nagasaki all over again. That's not what's going to happen. But that's what people, when they think about nuclear war, they still think about that. They still think 1980s, 1990s, Cold War, mutual assured destruction. I think it's much more likely that we're going to see either a dirty nuke, something that a terrorist uses or something that a criminal organization uses, or we're going to use a tactical nuke,

a tactical nuke being a small nuclear warhead on a rocket, a small nuclear device that's delivered by the military, something strategic or something tactical and small, but still nuclear. And when that happens, we're not going to know what the fuck to do. Think about the United States right now. The United States has consolidated its many naval resources in the Caribbean.

Imagine if there's a nuclear-capable shoulder rocket, it that's in Cuba, Venezuela, Colombia, right? You name it. Jamaica. Just one. Nuclear capable, just maybe something that weighs 15 pounds, right, but has an explosive potential of five kilotons, something small. If that's launched into the ocean, it's international waters. If it explodes, it will destroy the entire carrier fleet. All the planes, the carriers, three or four supply boats, person that's there, but it happened in international waters. And it was a nuclear explosion. That's why it was so big. What do we do then? Who do we hold accountable? Do we blame the country that the missile was launched from? Do we blame the transnational group, whether it was a cartel

group or a terrorist group that launched it? And do we respond in kind? Do we launch a nuclear tomahawk into Jamaica? What do we do? I think we're very, very close to that moment. which country is probably going to do it? I don't think it's going to be a country at all. I think it's going to be a transnational threat. It'll be a cartel. It'll be some sort of rogue element from Ukraine or a rogue element from Russia or somebody who's smuggling weapons through Belarus,

or it'll be some sort of rogue element that smuggles through Belarus. But it's not going to be a... clear-cut national threat. Even if it was, even if it was, even if it was China launching a small tactical nuke from its shoreline against the Taiwanese military vessel that's going through the straits,

what are we going to do? Is that nuclear war? Is that not nuclear war? Do we engage our nukes? Do we let Taiwan and China just trade tactical nuclear weapons in the straits of Taiwan? Which country is going to be the safest?

if the world comes down to a position where so many small wars are breaking. Like, you know, we see what's happening with Russia and Ukraine. We saw what's happening with Israel. There was a problem between India and Pakistan, where India destroyed their entire military bases, which was sort of giving birth to terrorism. Then it's happening in different parts of the world. There are soft protests going on.

there are hard protests going on, their government's changing, there's a bunch of chaos. And if this accelerates, resulting to, let's say, nuclear or other things, which country do you feel is the safest? There's a few. New Zealand, I think, is the safest.

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But New Zealand is a great location. Madagascar is another great location. Switzerland, if you're going to stay in the European landmass, Switzerland is a very good location. I would also argue that a place like southern Argentina, Argentina is going to get involved, but it's not the southern part of it is going to stay relatively safe. but then there's also island chains right like there's islands in the uh even the Hawaiian islands will be safer than say mainland USA Bali will be safer than other parts of Indonesia so there will be places that you can go where you can have food stability

physical security um modern modern medicine modern capabilities but and why do you want to leave US by 2027? There's a few different reasons. The biggest reason is that my priority is my family. I have two children. I have a wonderful wife. We have a business that's digital. We built our whole life to be mobile.

And my children are at an age now where they are picking up what it means to be American based off of pop culture in America. They're learning from friends. They're learning from, from devices, they're learning from movies and TV shows. That's where they're getting their definition of what it means to be an American.

And that's not the America that my wife and I served. The America that we are now is a very confused place. It's heavily polarized. It's economically depressed. It doesn't know whether it likes technology or doesn't like technology. It doesn't know who its friends are. It doesn't know. I mean, our America,

is killing itself. And that's a terrible version of America to grow up in. So if I want to give my children the best, I need to give them an opportunity to go somewhere where their pride in being an American is still present, but they learn to be a global citizen. And there are many countries in the world

where they are pro-American, where they believe in American ideals, they believe in American values, the country itself still believes that America is the right world leader. If I move my children to a country like that, they're accepted and they celebrate their American nationality while still learning to integrate into a global society. That's incredibly valuable. Most American children will never integrate into a foreign society.

Most American adults will never integrate into a foreign society. Inside the United States, it's estimated that only one and every four people has a passport at all. And of the people who have a passport, only one in four ever use their passport to go farther than Canada or Mexico. That's incredible. That means less than 6% of Americans

have ever gone further than Mexico or Canada. I don't want those to be my children. My children can go somewhere else. We can spend four, five, 10, 15 years. They can learn a foreign language. Maybe they marry a foreigner. maybe they marry an American who's also living in a foreign country. Our business grows.

We continue to invest ourselves in global citizenry while this chaos and confusion in the United States figures itself out. I served in the military. I did my time there. My wife and I served undercover. We committed our lives in defense of the nation. We honestly feel like we've done what we can do to help the United States. And now the United States has to figure this out for itself. We can still

vote. We'll still pay our taxes. We'll still watch American comedy shows. We'll still watch American movies. But there's no reason to make America's current confusion our children's problem. Instead, we can raise them to adulthood somewhere else. And then they can come back and be part of the solution if that's what they choose. But how do you feel America's falling? why do I feel like it's falling? It's impossible to look at the metrics and not see that it's falling. The divide in how we vote, the participation in elections, the value of the U.S. dollar, the expense of daily life, the decline of the middle class, the volatility in the market, the contention in the legislation, the fact that we spend as much, time where politicians are attacking other politicians rather than trying to help the American

people. There's, I mean, you can just count the ways, measurable ways that America is declining right now. You can't ignore it. Everybody's trying, everybody's hoping that it will be fixed, but we all recognize to a certain extent that we're powerless to fix it except in the vote that we cast. But even with that, you still have a huge population in the United States who believes that their votes don't count. Yeah. They believe that elections are rigged. Holy shit, man.

I would challenge that the vast majority of parents in the United States hear me and agree with me that if they could take their children somewhere else, they would. That if they could raise their children in a country that was pro-American and safe and give their kids opportunities beyond what they would have in the United States, they would. It's only the people without children or the people with grown children or the people with grown children or the people who are just too selfish to admit that their children could have a better life,

those are the only people who listen to me and think, I'm a coward or I'm trying to escape or I'm not nationalistic or whatever else. Like, I don't want America to die, but what I want, America gets to choose what it does for itself. Which, if you had, this is hypothetical situation, if you had to choose a leader according to you, who can be president and save America, who would it be?

That's funny. You know, it's not well thought out because I feel like your question is kind of a fun question. I would argue that what we need right now is a Winston Churchill. What we need right now... Really? Is somebody who is incredibly charismatic, somebody who can motivate both sides,

somebody who can explain to us what the threat really is. Because right now, in the United States, honestly, we think that the threat is the other political party. We're so distracted. We honestly think that the Dems are the problem or the Republicans are the problem.

We don't even see the rest of the world. where Churchill was able to take all of Great Britain, all of the United Kingdom, and say, here is our enemy. Our enemy is Hitler and the rise of the Nazi party. And that's it. He was able to isolate the threat. And as the country was burning down, he kept them together. As the country was being bombed, as the United Kingdom was losing the war, he was able to inspire a population to keep

going and keep fighting. That's a little bit of what we need right now. Is somebody who has that kind of glue, that kind of charisma, that kind of power, that kind of presence. Who's like your choice out of everyone, even like in the worst case scenario to choose one? If I had to pick one person that fits that description right now, it would be Nikki Haley. Nikki Haley is the closest thing that we have to a politician who could potentially reunite us and move us forward on a shared objective. And even then, like when you talk about Winston Churchill,

Nikki Haley is in many ways the modern female version of a Churchill. Because she will say it like it is. She will not sugarcoat it. She takes conflict on head on. She did it in 2024. I'm sure that she would do it in 2008. She was, she's female. She's younger.

She's got all like the right hallmarks to be accepted by the Democrats. She's got all the right accolades to be accepted. accepted by the Republicans. So possibly she could do it. But she's still been groomed. She's still a groomed Republican from South Carolina, which is a very, very red state. If you want a $3,000 a month payday for life, what would you feel free to do? Maybe take a long weekend, every weekend, or try a bunch of new hobbies. Would you feel free to upgrade and listen, ad free? Don't worry, we get it. Every $20 ticket could win you $3,000 a month for life and supports life-saving cancer research at the Princess Margaret.

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