EverydaySpy Podcast - The Dark CIA Trick to Seduce Anyone Instantly

Episode Date: August 5, 2026

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is a sensitive area because CIA teaches you all the skills that you need in order to attract someone of the opposite sex or the same sex. And they teach you all the skills that you need to know how to seduce, which really means attract someone sexually. They teach you all the skills that you need in order to do that as well. However, we don't engage in operations where the end goal is some kind of sexual encounter. because CIA is a Western service. It's an American intelligence service. And everybody who is part of CIA, every officer inside of CIA,
Starting point is 00:00:40 is an American citizen. And those American citizens carry their American rights. And there is a protection in American rights that make it so that you don't ever have to engage in sexual exploitation on behalf of your employer, especially not if your employer is the federal government. So you might know how to seduce and attract people but you'll never be called on to have sex with somebody.
Starting point is 00:01:04 So depending on the operation, you might choose to be attractive so that they pay attention to you, but you would never be forced to have a sexual encounter. Oftentimes what we will do is we will actually engage somebody who we know is attracted to us. But then when it comes to sex itself, we will distract or will redirect that person towards some other sexual target, right?
Starting point is 00:01:28 So for example, I may be working with a gay target that I know is attracted to me. I'm not going to have sex with my gay target. What I might do, though, is buy a male prostitute who does have sex with my gay target. And I can pick that prostitute and pay for that prostitute using US dollars. And I can make sure that I know who that prostitute is personally and physically, because I know what my target is attracted to. But now what I get all the benefits of being in control of this relationship. without any of the compromises that come from physically engaging in the sexual aspects of a relationship. Does that make sense?
Starting point is 00:02:06 That makes a lot of sense. That's so interesting. And I'm so curious now. Like how, what do they teach you? How do they train you to become attractive or seductive? What are some tips or tricks? A lot of what CIA teaches us, Francesca, is what you teach your followers, if you can believe it, right? Really? They teach us body language. They teach us micro-expressions. They teach us physical dynamics and they teach us nonverbal and verbal communication cues, things that trigger a predictable response in the psychology of the human brain because all human beings have one thing in common the way their brain is created. Skin color can be different, accents can be different, language can be different, but the brain still operates the same way. The cognitive functions of
Starting point is 00:02:53 the brain are the same. Sometimes they are higher order processing. sometimes they are lower order processing. Only in the event that you have a brain that is not neurotypical, for example, autistic or some kind of retardation or whatever else, only in a brain that is not neurotypical, do you lose the ability to predict the outcomes of certain behavioral inputs? So whether you're talking to a Senegalese male who has no education, or whether you're talking to a very well-educated British citizen,
Starting point is 00:03:25 you can still trigger the same behaviors. if you use certain verbal and nonverbal cues. Can you give me some examples of some verbal or nonverbal cues? You're using one right now. A smile is a very powerful nonverbal cue that is internationally recognized as a warm, open behavior. Similarly, crossing the arms is the opposite of a smile, right? This is a very closed form of body language. Anywhere in the world, if you cross your arms, the nonverbal cue that you're,
Starting point is 00:03:58 you're sending is a defensive cue, right? Leaning towards somebody, opening the chest and leaning towards somebody, that is a sign of energy. Now, that energy can be communicated in different ways. That's why sometimes people associate energy and power as being the same thing. So they'll call it a power move to lean into somebody. But in fact, what you're doing is it's an energetic move. You're applying energy to the situation. And if you know how to predict the response of your target, sometimes they'll respond by bringing more energy to you. That's what happens in a romantic relationship. I lean into somebody who's attracted to me and what do they do?
Starting point is 00:04:35 They lean into me. But if it's a threatening situation or like a boss and coworker, you might lean into somebody who then backs away because it's more of a conflict or a threat. You mentioned the word power there and I wanted to ask you, how can someone project power in an interaction? There's a number of things to understand about, power, right? Power is measurable. Power is a real thing. It's not just a mental thing. It is a very real thing. And the power center of the human body is the chest. That's where your heart is.
Starting point is 00:05:10 That's where your lungs are. That's where the spinal cord is, the central nervous system. All of those things. If you were to call them something different, take them out of the human body and put them in your house, right? What is the primary source of power in that? house. Well, it's the place where the electricity comes into the house, the central circuit breaker. What's the center for for hot water in your house? The hot water heater. What's the center for for actually converting energy into a food source? It's in the kitchen where there's a stove and a microwave and an and an oven, right? So there are certain parts of the body that are centers of energy, just like there's certain parts of the house that are centers of energy. It just so happens
Starting point is 00:05:55 that in the human body, most of our centers exist in our chest and really our upper abdominal center, right, where the stomach and the digestive enzymes are. So when you want to project power, it really isn't anything more than presenting the center of energy on your body. So you can do that with something as simple as posture just by lifting your shoulders up and back and putting your chest centered forward. you can do that from a sitting position. You can do that even from a sitting and leaning back position. You can still open your chest and put out that center of power. This is what is so frustrating.
Starting point is 00:06:32 Francesca, we have a term in the United States called jocks. I don't know if you've ever heard of the term jocks. I have, yeah. One of the things that all of us remember hating about jocks in high school and college is that they would sit back in their chairs cocky with their chest wide open. That was the power move. That's the thing that made us so angry. The thing is we didn't know that in college and high school.
Starting point is 00:06:57 We just thought that there was something about them. What was bothering us was that they were projecting their power into the room while the rest of us were leaning forward with our shoulders forward on our desk or sitting there with our arms crossed hiding our power. Right. This is what happens when you see women, especially women influencers, talk about demonstrating power as a female. they usually tell you that you have to open up your chest in some way. Throw your arms over your head, you know, stand with proper posture. It's not about the spine. It's about the chest.
Starting point is 00:07:29 It's about projecting all that energy forward. So depending on how you want to show that power, maybe you want to show that power by showing that, like you're showing your spouse or your boyfriend or your girlfriend, that you are a powerful partner. You can do that by laying in bed with your shoulders back, by sitting up in bed with your shoulders back by sitting at the table with your chest forward, by going out in public with your chest forward. You can show power to the people you care about, but you can also show power to a threat. If you think about a mugger or a criminal or somebody who's trying to take advantage of you,
Starting point is 00:08:05 they're not trying to take advantage of you personally. They're trying to find a weak person to take advantage of. So oftentimes one of the visual cues that a criminal is looking for in people is that they are condensing their power. They're covering their power because somebody who's projecting power is more likely aware, prepared, and self-respecting enough that they may have self-defense tools on them. But somebody who's cowering or clutching their handbag or wrapped up in a jacket or whatever else that person is already subdued. That person is already muting their power. That's so interesting. I feel like I've heard about this before for sure. Like they go after the vulnerable people. They're not going to go after the people that show confidence and power.
Starting point is 00:08:56 Yeah, that makes so much sense and that's so interesting. The other thing I was thinking about is I imagine that as a spy, you need to lie a lot. And you need to be really good at it, right? Do they train you how to lie or manipulate people? And what are some of the things you've learned? Really, I mean, all of CIA training is training you how to lie. That's the job. The job is to pretend to be someone you're not in a place for a reason that isn't the real reason, to do an act that isn't the real act, and then to escape with the secrets that you've stolen that we're never supposed to be stolen, right? So all the other stuff, all the shooting and the driving and, you know, water survival and how to jump out of planes and how to dress and how to put on
Starting point is 00:09:49 a disguise. All of that stuff is just fun, extra stuff around the core of the skill, which is really deception and deceit. So you do have to become very good at lying. One of the things that CIA actually looks for in its recruitment process is twofold. One, somebody has to be willing to lie. There are lots of people who are not willing to lie. There are lots of people who have a physiological response that prevents them from being comfortable lying. So that's why there's so many psychological batteries so that you can find the people who are naturally gifted, if you will, at at lying because they're willing to lie. They're naturally comfortable with lying. And oftentimes people with trauma are also people who are very comfortable at lying because, let's be honest, if you've had
Starting point is 00:10:42 trauma as a child, lies and deception became part of your core programming so that you could survive. You had to say you were fine when you weren't. You had to say you were happy when you weren't. You had to sit there and smile when you felt like crying, right? That's part of what happens to you when you've got childhood trauma. So the first thing that we need to understand that we need to to understand about a good spy is that they have to be willing and capable physiologically of lying. And then on top of that, then that's where the training comes in, where they train you how to sync your verbal and nonverbal cues so that I don't verbally tell you something that's untrue while physically showing you that I'm lying. And then they also teach you how to refine your lies.
Starting point is 00:11:30 For example, one of the core things that a skilled liar does, that an unskilled liar does, that an unskilled liar doesn't do is skilled liars know you have to practice your lie. You have to learn how to think the lie and say the lie before the moment of lying. It's called a brain-body connection, right? In this case, the brain is connecting to the mouth and the tongue of the body. So oftentimes when unskilled liars lie, they stumble over their words. Or they double back or they blubber or they look around, they look confused, they can't say it quickly and smoothly. And we've all caught people in a lie because they weren't very smooth and confident with it. Whereas a skilled liar knows you have to practice the brain-body connection of actually
Starting point is 00:12:13 telling the lie. So that's two different ways that a skilled liar can be developed. What are some other manipulation tactics that they teach you about? One of the biggest ones is something called primary motivations. All human beings, anybody with a neurotypical pink, brain has four core motivations. And those four core motivations break into an acronym that we call Rice, R-I-C-E. Reward is the R. Ideology is the I. Coercion is the C. And ego is the E. So reward, ideology, coercion, and ego are the four primary motivators that you can use to manipulate anyone.
Starting point is 00:13:02 unfortunately, they are also the same four core motivations that you and I have that allow others to motivate or manipulate us. Reward means that you're getting something. Whether you're getting a free gift or whether you're getting someone's attention or whether you're getting the opportunity to apply for a job, if you're getting something, then that's a reward motivator. ideology means it's what you believe in people who believe a certain religion people who believe in a certain set of politics people who believe in the future and hope for the future people who believe in fatalistic thoughts that's all ideology and if you give somebody what they ideologically believe if you tell somebody or repeat or present or appear like you have the same ideology then they can manipulate you easier than if they appear at a somebody with a different ideology. I'm going to skip coercion because it's a different one. I'm going to jump to ego. Ego is one of the stronger ones because ego doesn't mean egotistical. Ego means how you want to be viewed by the people around you. We all have an ego. That's a basic psychological principle. We all have an ego. Not all of us are egotistical, however. Some of us, our ego is to be in the background. Some of us, our ego is to be very self-sacrificing.
Starting point is 00:14:27 Some of us, our ego is to be part of a larger community or larger purpose. So we actively take steps to fulfill our ego presence. When somebody else knows what your ego is and they feed your ego, you trust them and that gives them leverage to manipulate you. This is what happens oftentimes in churches. When you hear about priests who abuse their trust in their confidence, congregation. When you hear about embezzlement by senior executives in a company, right, they're taking advantage of the ego of the people that they know so that they can get something that they want.
Starting point is 00:15:04 The last of the four motivations was coercion, the C and the Rice acronym. Coercion is anytime somebody uses something negative against you. This is where blackmail comes into play. Anything that makes you feel guilty or embarrassed or ashamed or afraid, all of those. those levers are considered coercion. And coercion is a very powerful tool to get people to do what you want. It's a very powerful tool to manipulate people. But the difference between coercion and the other three fundamental motivators is that coercion can really only be used once. Once somebody makes you feel bad about you, you never trust that person again.
Starting point is 00:15:45 Once somebody holds a gun to your head, you never get close enough for them to hold a gun to you again. once somebody slaps your face, you don't ever let them slap you again, right? You never trust them again. Whereas when somebody gives you a gift or when somebody says they believe in the same religion that you believe in or when somebody comes to you and they're part of the same community that you're part of, you will trust them again and again and again. That's so interesting. And I'm just thinking like how that applies to religious and cults and like, you know,
Starting point is 00:16:17 the level of manipulation that happens there. I'm fascinated by that and I was just thinking about that, but that's really fascinating.

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