EverydaySpy Podcast - What They’re NOT Telling Americans About Nuclear War (Until It’s Too Late)

Episode Date: July 27, 2026

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A lot of people in America don't understand what it means to be an American. And your experience being in all these other countries. And I think you were, this was in, you were, you were talking about like the US dollar and America not being like the number one superpower anymore. He's like what people don't realize is that when you're not America, you realize like the luxuries that you have that you're not aware of. Like, for example, and I thought, I thought this was a brilliant fucking example, is raising your kids. to only learn one language. Like you don't understand what a luxury that is. Yeah.

Like imagine having to be like, if I want my kids to have any sort of success in life, they have to know at least two languages. I've never thought about that. That's insane, man. It's powerful, man. Yeah. It's powerful.

And there are still countries in the world where you can't drink the water that comes out of the faucet of your kitchen. That's crazy. Yeah. There are countries in the world where where you can get arrested without cause. And you can go to jail with,

without a trial. It just happens. Like the luxury of being American is a massive luxury. The number one reason I wanna take my kids out of the United States is so that they can get the perspective of being the hell out of the United States. Right?

Get away from the US. Yes, you're gonna see all the warts. For sure, you're gonna see all the things that we do wrong. But you're also going to really appreciate all the things that we do right. And when you really appreciate what we do right, you come back to this country

And it's worth fighting to keep those things. But if you don't know what you have, of course you don't know that it's worth fighting for. It's just you parroting a line that you heard from grandpa. Oh, freedom is worth fighting for. You don't fucking know what you're talking about. Until you really see what life looks like for people who are not free, then you're like, holy shit.

Right. I've got to fight for this. And are you still planning on leaving the country for good? So it was never for good. Okay. It was never for good, but we are, we have, we are scheduled to leave the country, like, it's on our calendar right now in the spring of 27. We were trying to do it in the spring of 26.

We always had plans to do it before 2030. But I'm super excited that we actually are like to a place now where we have a detailed plan for the spring of 27. What country? Not going to tell anybody. Can you tell me what continent? Maybe. Off camera.

Off camera? Because I like you and Julian. I want to know what country to go to. Well, I'll tell you, I'll tell you a handful of countries that you, you should consider. Okay. You want them right now? Yes.

Costa Rica. That was my first choice. New Zealand. I would recommend Portugal, even though Portugal's going through some shit right now. Croatia is a very good option for people. Armenia is a very good option for people. Okay. These are all places if you're an American.

I need surf. That you should continue. Costa Rica's got great surf. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm saying this as the business owner of a multi-million dollar business that's not tens of millions of dollars yet. that has a family, that has young kids so that I can have a balanced work life existence.

There are lots of super rich people out there who have no kids or who have lost their kids because their kids don't love them anymore or whatever else. That will tell you, Dubai is the place to go. That will tell you that you're stupid if you look at Europe, people that will tell you. And then you've got, there's plenty of broke-ass people out there

who will be like, you got to go to Mexico, right? There's people everywhere that will tell you all sorts of ideas. But if you have wealth and you have a way of continuing to make your wealth. The five countries I gave you are excellent, excellent options. Now, what about when it comes to surviving a thermonuclear war? If there's a global thermonuclear war, you're not like it's going to be miserable to survive. You might as well. If it's a global war, we're all done. Well, it would have to be a global war. If one nuke gets shot, they all get shot,

right? Not necessarily. I know that's what people out there say. That's what I saw, saw your interview with Andy Jacobson. Correct. And Annie and I disagree on this. Well, we disagree on this and we have context where we agree on this. And Annie is a fantastic person in general and then a fantastic person to talk to about this too. Strategic nuclear weapons are essentially you shoot one and everybody's going to launch. That's the policy. Whether or not people will actually execute on the policy is a different store.

It's called launch on warning, right? Or like response, launch response. Well, like the idea as far as I understand it is if our salary, detect a rocket being launched in Pyongyang, we have to make a decision within like minutes to empty our Minutemen missiles because they're not, they're stationary, like they're vulnerable there. So it's use it or lose it.

Correct. And everything you just laid out is correct. We have to find a way to make that decision. We only have a few minutes to make that decision. Our destruction is guaranteed. It's just a matter of whether or not we're willing to commit to someone else's destruction in the process. And that's, for me, that's a big variable.

in the process. And let's also, as ridiculous as this might sound, if you were Pyongyang, if you were Russia, if you were China, and if you were going to engage in thermonuclear war against the United States, you know it's so you know it's true. Five minutes before you launch your missile, you try to assassinate the president. Because guess who's the only person that can launch the missiles? The president. So if you assassinate the president, five minutes before you launch your Let me say that one more time. If you are any thermonuclear capable country and you're preparing a launch against the United States, five minutes before you launch your missile, you attempt an assassination of the president.

Who would do the assassination? It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter whether you do it or whether you hire somebody else to do it. What matters is that you don't launch that missile until you know if the assassination was successful or not. Because if the assassination is successful, the only person who can open the football is now dead. You launch your missile and now the warning comes across and now the DOD is like, the president needs to access the football. Well, the president is now the vice president. Unless the vice president is sitting next to the president when they're assassinated, there's a logistical challenge getting the football to the vice president.

And now, time's a ticking, times a ticking. So if you really wanted to play out thermonuclear war, it's not just going to be somebody launches a missile. It's going to be assassination attempts, distractions, bombings, all sorts of stuff that happens to distract and delay the time frame before the U.S. can make its counterlaunch decision. That's if we're talking strategic missiles, which I don't think anybody would use. I think people would use tactical battlefield nukes before they ever use strategic nukes. That's what actually keeps me awake at night. What keeps me awake at night is China barricades Taiwan in the preemptive move to take Taiwan. The United States deploys some sort of carrier group in that direction.

And then China uses a tactical one mile blast radius nuke and destroys the entire carrier group before it can even get there. Do we call that nuclear war? Do we then launch all of our nukes on China? Right. I don't know. And that's assuming China is the country that launches it. What if it's not even China? What if it's fucking, what if it's some splinter group?

Right. That launches a rocket, portable nuclear warhead that has a small blast radius. A tactical battlefield nuke. Or like, I think you guys laid this out, but I thought about this is like if, if Russia wanted to hide a nuke somewhere in some like militia's fucking truck. truck, right, exactly, and detonate it, and then it gets detonated, and you're like, oh, well, we don't know who's nuke this is. Correct. Like, the whole classic mutually assured destruction argument about how strategic nuclear war would break out is it's obsolete. It's obsolete because it has no...

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We learned this in World War II. When we bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki, we had to go back in and rebuild the fucking places. It cost a shit ton of money to rebuild Japan. And we had to deal with nuclear fallout. And we had to deal with like civilian distrust of the new government and the and everything else. Not to mention the way it rattled cages everywhere across the world when the United States used nuclear weapons in World War II. So now everybody's like nuclear weapons are a fantastic deterrent, which we're seeing in North Korea, which we're seeing when Iran wants nuclear weapons. They want to have.

This is a great point you made on that podcast too. They want to have the ability to protect themselves. Yes. And that Kim Jong-un is likely going to die of a, of a now. natural death in his bed at night because he's armed with nuclear. And he was saying Clinton or something, it was Kim Jong-un's, Kim Jong-il made a deal with Clinton not to do nukes. And behind his back, he did the nuclear program.

And now we don't fuck with them at all. Yeah. We don't mess with them because what is? Now you have a fucking one-eyed rabid dog. Right. You're going to cross the fence? No. You're like, let's just let that thing die.

Let's find some other way. Let's pay South Korea to poison it. Like, that's how we're going to deal with that threat. But so everybody wants strategic nuclear weapons because it keeps people out of your fucking property. Yes. But nobody wants to use strategic nuclear weapons because if you use them, you don't get any benefit. It's suicide, right? It's suicide to you.

And any, if it, if, let's say we launched all of our weapons at Russia and Russia for whatever reason didn't counterattack, we just nuked all the prime real estate in Russia. Right. It's useless to us. And don't they have a dead man switch? Don't they have some sort of system there that it detect, even if everyone's dead? Yeah. That's what Annie says and exists in Russia.

Yeah. I don't, I mean, I don't know of any kind of dead hand that we have. The dead hand. The dead hand. So if everyone's dead, they have sensors that will just unleash, unleash hell. Yeah. Essentially, it's like you're holding, you're holding the trigger not to launch. And then if you're killed.

Oh, yes. The trigger is released. I hope that thing doesn't get a false positive. That's crazy. Yeah, right? It's just a, it's a Charlie horse. And you're like, ah. Oh, we're fucked.

Right. Fuck, that's crazy. So what do you think the probability is that a like a strategic ICBM gets launched? Almost zero. Almost zero. And I think Annie and I agree with this that the probability is almost zero. That does not mean that I don't believe a nuclear weapon will go off. I believe that a tactical battlefield nuke, some kind of dirty nuke, some kind of...

Suitcase nukees suitcase nuke. transnationally controlled nuclear device, something like that, I think that has about a 30% chance of going off in the next five years. I always worried that the cartels would get a nuke. That's a perfect example. It's a transnational threat

that can afford to buy a nuke. They can totally afford to buy some old Russian, old Soviet nuke that found its way into Belarus. Like, it's not impossible. Keep in mind, of all the nuclear-capable countries, there are other countries that are not nuclear-capable, but still hold nuclear weapons for other countries.

Really? Yeah. They're like little fucking nuclear closets in other countries. And they hold the nukes usually for us, but they also hold them for Russia. So now if you're trying to get your hand on a Russian nuke, you could buy it on the black market, you could work through a weapons dealer directly in Russia,

you could try to find some old nuke that has been decommissioned, steal it, buy it, whatever else, or you could steal it from a third country that's supposed to be controlling nuclear weapons for Russia. Well, cartels were buying submarines and shit when the Soviet Union collapsed. They were buying Soviet subs. I mean, who's to say they didn't buy a fucking nuke from something from that? Absolutely.

North Korea, if North Korea has a nuke that weighs less than 500 pounds, which they probably do, a warhead that weighs less than 500 pounds, they would sell it to anybody. They would for sure sell it to somebody who doesn't like the U.S. government, like a cartel. Now, North Korea, as far as I understand it, is their submarines are like, way below our standard. Like they don't have nuclear-powered submarines. I think they only have diesel-powered submarines. Okay.

So I guess they can't get around, like the countries that really have the, what do they call it, the handmaidens of the apocalypse, the submarines. And when you see all the traffic of all the nuclear subs around the world, it's freaky, dude. Like they're literally circling both coasts of America and like Central America and South America. and all of these nuclear subs are just loaded with mirved war merved rockets. And it's just crazy to me

the idea that these things are patrolling the oceans at all times and it's like every single country has a gun pointed we all have guns pointed at each other's heads at all times. And this is so this is what's important we don't all have that. If you're an American citizen, you have that.

There's always a gun pointed at your head if you're an American citizen, right? Especially if you're living in the United States, always a gun pointed at your head because the United States is the threat. When you're a U.S. citizen and you're living in Azerbaijan, nobody cares about Azerbaijan.

Armenia cares about Azerbaijan. And that's pretty much it. Right. You're a U.S. citizen. So when you come into the country, people know that you're there and they're going to assume that you have wealth and you could be targeted for petty crime.

But there's no national country trying to assassinate you in Azerbaijan, especially not if you're just a random digital nomad living in, you know, Azerbaijan. And if you go down to Costa Rica, nobody's pointing submarines at Costa Rica. It's a waste of resources to point submarines at Costa Rica.

It's not a waste of resources to point at the United States. So every major country that has a beef with the U.S. are all targeting the U.S. at all times. targeting our cyber structure, our water, our infrastructure, our electrical grid, targeting us with cruise

missiles, with nukes, with submarines, with satellites, with space-based resources. We're always being targeted, right? That's not something to be afraid of, but it's something to be aware of because guess what you're not being told in the headlines every day, how dangerously close you are to being killed. We just assume that we're safe all the time. There's no reason to assume that we're safe all the time. Yeah. And another thing Annie talks about is the interceptor system that we have, which is we have 44 interceptor missiles that each have a 40% accuracy, which is like shooting a bullet out of the sky with another bullet. Yeah. Yeah. So a great example of this,

was when when Iran launched rockets against the base in was it Djibouti was it recently yeah after after after after after after after Trump bombed Iran yeah Iran had a counter strike to those those videos were insane weren't they the they were hypersonic missiles it's like they were going like they were going like like like so this guy yeah so the I don't I don't know if they were hypersonic we can look that up but what's interesting the reason I bring it up. Sorry, continue.

I don't want to interrupt, but to find videos of the Iranian hypersonic missiles that recently hit. There it is, yeah. No, that's Tel Aviv. So Tel Aviv

deals with hypersonic missiles. Okay. But when Iran launched its counter strike against the American military base, the reason I bring this up is because Iran

announced, told the U.S., we're going to launch rockets. We're going to launch whatever was, 180 rockets or 80 rockets, or whatever. We're going to launch rockets against your military base,

which gave the United States chance to say, hey, perfect, we're going to evacuate civilians from the base, or we're going to evacuate the base down to, like, you know, core requirements, and we're going to deploy our rocket shield. We're going to deploy our rocket interceptors. And then when they launched the rocket interceptors, it was an average of, I think, five interceptors per rocket that was inbound, which is even less than the 40% accuracy. And he's talking about. It means 20% accuracy for an American, for an American weapon system that's first world,

an American weapon system handled by the Americans trained to handle that weapon system, they had a 20% accuracy rate shooting down the inbound rockets. And what we did in that exchange was show Iran that we only have a 20% accuracy.

Right. So now, luckily, they told us, hey, we've got 80 missiles coming in. And of course, we do the math. And we're like, oh, sweet, 80 times five. That's how many we're going to make sure we have these on staff.

If you don't know how many rockets are coming, how much, how many mutations, munition are you supposed to have to defend yourself. Right. Is this it? I don't know. It's not happened yet, but if it were to happen, it could happen overnight. It's not like it would take six weeks for people to start launching missiles at us.

They could do it from a submarine off the coast in the next five minutes if they chose to. But wouldn't it be suicide for them? Wouldn't we just nuke them? That's what I'm saying. According to strategic policy, it would be suicide if we could counter launch. in time. If you counter-launched in time. The reason you have submarines off the coast

is so that you don't know if you can launch in time. A MIRV has to be launched from an ICBM. ICBMs have to go into the stratosphere to launch, to drop their ammunition to then be able to drop each individual warhead, right? That takes 30-ish minutes. A submarine off the coast of San Diego launches a cruise missile.

It takes three minutes. And all of a sudden, if you had like five submarines that pop up, unless you have attack submarines to counter them, here's another thing that's fascinating about the United States. When you're in the Middle East, you have anti-air and anti-ground systems everywhere? When was the last time you were in California, Virginia, Maryland, Florida, and you saw any kind of anti-aircraft gun or any kind of counter-incursion weapon? We don't need them because we have the oceans on both sides.

Unless? The submarines. And how are you going to destroy a submarine before the submarine destroys you? Right. There's, there's all these elements that we take for granted. We take them for granted,

but the submariner for the Navy knows how fucking scary it is. Well, also the people to survive the longest, if that happens, are going to be the guys in the nuclear subs, right? Yeah.

And think about how miserable that existence is going to be. You just have to starve, slowly starve to death. With none of your loved ones, knowing all of your loved ones are gone? Oh, God.

And then are you going to starve the death? Are you going to have some kind of radiation poisoning as soon as you open the house.