ExtinctZoo - When You Trap A Fish In A Cave Forever, This Happens

Episode Date: January 24, 2026

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Starting point is 00:00:51 Not slowly losing vision over its lifespan, but deliberately programming its eyeballs to self-destruct during development. The eye forms, looks promising for a few days, then essentially detonates, and boom, eyes gone. And before you start with the, oh no, poor little fishy narrative, let me stop you right there, as this is not a sad story, not even close. And by the way, said fishies not only of Voltorp eye detonations, figuratively, but also taste buds on their foreheads, and somehow our favorite blue speedy hedgehog is involved, literally. And who is this, or what is this you ask? Well, let me introduce you to As Dianics, Mexicanus, also known as the Mexican Tetra,
Starting point is 00:01:30 and that exists in two radically different forms, a normal version with eyes, color, and an unremarkable fish lifestyle, and then a cave-dwelling version that looks like it crawled out of a Gullermo del Toro film, which is kind of fitting. It's pale, near-translucent, and has a skull with empty eye sockets where it's, well, eyes should be. And here's the kicker. These two, quote-unquote versions are the exact same species. not even different subspecies. They can interbreed perfectly and produce fertile offspring.
Starting point is 00:01:59 And get this, some of these cave populations are less than 20,000 years old, which in evolutionary terms is yesterday. So, this all begs the obvious question, which is, why would a fish evolve to delete its own eyes? And to understand this, you need to understand caves. These aren't just dark places. They're in some sense, an energetic black hole. The darkness means near zero photosynthesis,
Starting point is 00:02:20 which in turn means near zero-based food production. And so dinner can be about to be about. guano that washes in during a storm, some bacterial mats, if you're lucky, or maybe a dead cricket, meaning every single calorie matters. Now close your eyes, or delete them, and imagine a karst landscape in northeastern Mexico, which is riddled with sinkholes and flooded cave systems. Some caves have collapsed roofs where sunlight streams through, while others are more like sealed tombs, where day and night are as meaningless as which starter Pokemon you choose,
Starting point is 00:02:48 and yes, I said that. The regular, non-cave form of Astonax, Mexiconus, looks again, like, like a typical tetra, pigmented scales, functional eyes, eats insects, algae, and crustaceans, and follows daily schedules. They school together, sleep at night, and do other fishy, not fishy, things. Very respectable fish behavior. Then you've got at least 30 different cave populations who look, well, messed up. And here's what's wild. They're not all one lineage, meaning they've convergingly evolved to reach the same form, with evidence suggesting that there have been at least five separate invasions of these surface fish into different caves,
Starting point is 00:03:22 with two distinct genetic lineages. And yet, somehow they all developed the same adaptations. So, convergent evolution within convergent evolution, perhaps. And like I said, these are not ancient lineages. The cave populations are believed to be less than 20,000 years old. Which, for comparison, another odd cavefish, the Ozark cavefish, started to go blind 11 million years ago. So in other words, Mexican cavefish are basically speed running this whole cave thing.
Starting point is 00:03:49 And when I say cave thing, I really mean they pretty much went full-on minimalist. Eyes deleted. Color, deleted. Circadian rhythm, deleted. Social life, unsubscribed. Sleep, cut down from eight hours to two. Essentially rewriting every expensive biological system. And studies back this notion up, as researchers compared the metabolism and surface fish to their cave dwelling counterparts living complete darkness. And what they found is, is that surface fish ramped up their metabolism during what their internal clock considers daytime, regardless of actual light, by the way. Burning around 38% more energy, than cavefish under identical conditions.
Starting point is 00:04:24 So while the surface fish are essentially running their engine at a high RPM, cavefish are pretty much taken a permanent chill pill. And in an environment where food sources are a bit less reliable, so you could say, this cut is the difference between life and death. Well, at least the difference between evolutionary pressure and no pressure. But this still doesn't really directly answer the question about the eyes. But it's actually pretty simple,
Starting point is 00:04:45 which is that eyes are expensive. In humans, the visual system alone accounts for huge energy demands, constantly regenerating photoreceptors in the retina and processing information. And for young developing fish, researchers calculated that the energy cost of sight is about 15% of their total metabolic budget, which, from the cavefish perspective, is 15% just for an organ that provides near zero survival value in complete darkness. But it's not just the eyes themselves.
Starting point is 00:05:11 Blind cave fish also have a significantly smaller midbrain, which, as you might be able to guess, is the part that deals with visual processing. Which again makes sense. I mean, if you're not processing visual information, why maintain the expensive hardware to do it. Now, interestingly, in K-Fish embryos, eye development actually starts normal. The lens forms, the optic cup takes shape, and all is good.
Starting point is 00:05:32 But then the lens cell commits what one might call Sapuku, and it does this through something called apoptosis, triggering a cascade that eventually collapses the entire eye. And how do we figure this out? Well, scientists did a rather questionable experiment of lens transplants between fish. And what they found is that if you put a surface fish lens in a key, fish embryo, you rescue eye development. But on the flip side, if you put a cavefish lens in a
Starting point is 00:05:55 surface fish embryo, the eye disintegrates, meaning the cavefish lens actively destroys what would otherwise be a normal eye. And the culprit? A few things. But one gene is largely responsible, and that is connects in 50, a gene that makes protein forming gap junctions in the lens. Normally, these are communication channels between cells keeping everything coordinated. But in in cavefish, mutations occur causing these connections to break down. And thus the lens loses integrity, and collapses. And this gene is important not just in fish, but also pretty much every other animal was sight. And introducing just one mutation in this gene in mice resulted in cataracts, smaller eyes, and smaller lenses. And remember, cavefish have multiple mutations in this area, not just one.
Starting point is 00:06:37 But interestingly enough, sometimes it isn't just one or the other, blind or seeing. For example, the kibaiomor cave is a cave system that actually has karst windows, areas which let in light. So in other words, the cave is not fully dark. And because, of that, there's a natural experiment going on. Can you guess what it is? Mixed population of eyed and eyeless fish living together, with the distribution being unsurprisingly based on the presence of light, where eyed fish are more common in light areas, and blind fish are more common in the darker areas. And yet, there is also a third type, an intermediate showing traits of both groups, likely a result of inheriting certain mutations of connects in 50 being hybrid
Starting point is 00:07:13 between the regular form and the cave form, with the intermediate result likely being caused by inheriting certain mutations in 15, but not as many as a completely blind parent fish. Now, at this point I will say that evolution, and thus genes, rarely work in isolation. And one great example of this is our other star player here, Sonic the Hedgehog. No, literally. Which is actually a gene, and perhaps the greatest named one, period. In normal fish embryos, Sonic Hedgehog, or S-H-H, balances eye and forebrain development. And too much or too little can have peculiar seemingly opposite effects.
Starting point is 00:07:46 For example, increase the development of one part of the body and decrease the development of the other. And in cave fish, S-H-H expression is cranked all the way up to a 10, flooding the developing brain and massively boosting jaw development genes and tastebud proliferation. But then, also in the flip side, suppressing eye-promoting genes. And when I say that their taste buds proliferate, I really mean proliferate. You see, surface fish have taste buds inside, well, their mouths, just like any other self-respecting creature. But in the cavefish, they are scattered all over its head, which, yes, means that they can taste things by headbutting them. Developmentally, cavefish start with the same tastebud numbers as surface fish.
Starting point is 00:08:24 But around five months after hatching, the number of taste buds start to increase, and increase and increase, with the growth not stopping until 18 months in age. And some researchers believe that it continues even after this point, pretty much developing throughout the entire lifespan of the fish. And so by the end, cavefish have not only weigh more taste buds, but also in areas, quote-unquote, strategically placed where they'll make first contact with potential food, like their entire face. Yet I don't know about you guys, but I live in the city, where I can't even begin to imagine how horrifying and how much I would hate to have taste buds on my forehead. I probably can never walk outside again. On top of this, genomic studies also show that some K populations have not only more taste buds, but changed taste buds, having more activation of bitter taste receptor genes, with K-fish possessing possibly five to six times more conserved bitter taste receptor genes, and even soon,
Starting point is 00:09:14 which does make sense when you're relying on eating mystery cave slime, bat guano, dead insects, and other organic material of unknown origin, meaning a good poison detection system is quite ideal. And so unsurprisingly, these omnivorous fish basically eat anything they could find, scavenging dead animals, dead plants, bacterial mats, pretty much whatever washes in. And that brings me to the point of without eyes, how can they even find these things to begin with? And the answer to that is, there is another thing about fish that you should know, which is that every fish has a lateral line, which is a thing that is basically full of sensors called neuromasts that detect water pressure and movement.
Starting point is 00:09:50 And like I said, all fish have this, and surface fish use this as well. But in some sense, it's more like an ancillary or backup system to their regular senses, being more important in poor visibility, like a night or murky waters. But cave fish have basically turned this sense into their primary one. They've increased not only the sensitivity of the neuromast themselves, but also their size, particularly around where their eyes, used to be. And to call these things important, it's putting it lightly. As when researchers ablated or destroyed these sensors in blind fish, they became clumsy, unable to hunt, and even unable to school
Starting point is 00:10:22 together, while on surface fish, it only impacted them under dark conditions. And this shift in how they process information has also made their hunting pattern dramatically different. In regular-sided fish, such as zebra fish, they will do a kind of jerky j-turn when they spot prey, thus visually lining them up. Whereas cave fish perform a smooth sea bend, orienting their entire body, and, towards the pressure waves that are being emitted, reflecting their reliance on their lateral line versus their sight. And to help with this, they've even evolved a bent skull. In other words, an asymmetrical curve on the skull,
Starting point is 00:10:54 which researchers think enhances water flow to one side of the face, thus optimizing sensory input. And it clearly works, with Mexican cavefish showing an ability to detect prey at greater distances than their sighted cousins. Which, speaking of sight, this might be shocking to you, but can you think of something else where having eyes is, um, critically important?
Starting point is 00:11:11 Well, my friends, that is sleep, as the day cycle generally regulates circadian rhythm in us surface dwellers. And surface fish are by no means an exception to this, and have been observed sleeping 8 to 10 hours per day. Very respectable. Key fish, on the other hand, have cut this to as little as 2 hours, running at a level which would likely cause death in humans, either directly or indirectly. And the key to this, besides losing the eyes themselves, is the protein, hypochretin, a neuropeptide regulating sleep and appetite. The mutations and genes related to hypochretin have essentially rewired cavefish into having a constant low-level alertness, which makes perfect sense, as in caves, food opportunities are very unpredictable. So if you snooze, you lose, literally.
Starting point is 00:11:51 But interestingly, even with a dramatically altered sleep and no eyes, cavefish still have a functioning circadian clock. It's just that the system has been dramatically altered. As paradoxically, the cavefish internal clock almost acts like they're experiencing constant light, rather than darkness. But at the same time, the system isn't also driving heavy metabolic rhythms like a dozen surface fish, which thus helps conserve energy. And another odd change between these two groups is how they treat their own. What I mean by that is that surface fish are aggressive, establishing dominance hierarchies through repeated fights with these fights and aggression, which are also quite common,
Starting point is 00:12:26 to say the least. On the flip side, K-fish have almost completely lost their aggressive behavior, with fights being up to 10 times less common than in their regular variety. And often, what looks like attacks are really just food-searching attention. And the fact that starved cavefish become more quote-unquote aggressive towards their friends support this notion that they're really just desperately searching for food, not actually fighting with the intent of establishing dominance, like what would be seen in the surface fish. And these behavior differences appear to be caused by changes in the serotonergic system, with the changes reflecting what is essentially redistribution of brain resources from social behavior to foraging, which seems to have happened in yours truly as well. And speaking of social cognition, surface fish also school intensely, like many other types of fish, and a relatively complex social hierarchies.
Starting point is 00:13:12 While on the flip side, cavefish go more solo-dolo. However, interestingly, hybrids between the cavefish and their light-lo-loving relatives shown in some sense an increased schooling tendency. However, researchers think this is actually because of their near-bottomless appetites, where this increased social behavior is really just because they want to cannibalize each other. As when food is scarce enough, protein just becomes protein, no matter where it originally comes from. So maybe that's the real reason why schooling behavior is fallen by the wayside in the cave variety.
Starting point is 00:13:38 Because, I mean, who wants to be swimming around with cannibal Jimmy? Now, thankfully, the need to eat each other is perhaps slightly decreased by the fact that they've also adapted their energy storage system, making the need for such behaviors a bit less. And what I mean by this is that cavefish can actually store up to four times more body fat than surface fish when food is available. Being kind of like preppers stockpiling for the apocalypse, except the apocalypse is just normal cave life.
Starting point is 00:14:01 And speaking of normal cave life, This probably won't come as a surprise, but cavefish aren't alone, so to speak. For instance, the European olme, a pale salamander in the Dynaric Alps caves, also went blind an albino, but took a different strategy. Instead of staying active, alms slow everything down. They can live 100 plus years, survive a decade without food, and also barely move, being known to stay within the same couple of feet or meters for years. Which is freaking insane when you think about it?
Starting point is 00:14:28 Because, I mean, can you imagine staring at the same wall with no change for years, on-end, yeah. And back across the pond, the North American amblyopsid cavefish independently evolved similar traits through their similar cave home. And these examples are by no means the only ones. As in fish alone, over 200 cavefish species have been discovered that share the same pattern, lose eyes, lose pigment, and enhance other senses. And the reason for this is pretty intuitive, which is that cave environments are so constrained that evolution keeps arriving at the same solution. And this happens with such frequency that it even has the name, troglomorphy, describing the sweet of traits that evolve in cave-dwelling animals, being one of the strongest cases of convergent
Starting point is 00:15:06 evolution we have on the scale, and with such a host of different types of animals. So going back to the first question, why would a fish evolve to lose its eyesight, the most important sense for the vast majority of animals? And the answer is pretty clear by now, because it makes sense. Thanks for watching, and until next time. Ambition comes in all shapes and sizes. At First Citizens Bank, we roll with your goals, Because we're built for what you're building. Fit for your ambition for citizens' bank. Own it all.
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