Fantasy Baseball Today - 10 Crazy Stats from 2021! Jorge Soler's Second Half & Dylan Cease' Upside (11/30 Fantasy Baseball Podcast)

Episode Date: November 30, 2021

Joey Votto just had the best power season of his career at 37 years old (1:44)! ... Wow! Robbie Grossman hit 23 home runs with 20 steals in 2021 (6:30). ... Is there any hope for Eugenio Suarez (9:52)...? ... Ian Happ had a huge second half (14:04). Are we buying it? ... Is Jorge Soler's bounce-back legit (18:26)? ... News and notes (23:10): Alex Cobb is close to signing with the Giants and it sounds like Marcell Ozuna will be back with the Braves. ... What is Dylan Cease's upside (37:05)? ... Walker Buehler led baseball in quality starts (41:00). ... Tyler Mahle was 12th in baseball in strikeouts (44:00). ... Luis Castillo was money from June 1 on (47:45). ... How do we assess Alek Manoah's rookie season (52:00)? ... What TV shows are we watching and video games are we playing (56:25)? 'Fantasy Baseball Today' is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Google Podcasts, Castbox and wherever else you listen to podcasts.  Follow our FBT team on Twitter: @FBTPod, @CTowersCBS, @CBSScottWhite, @Roto_Frank Join our Facebook group at https://www.facebook.com/groups/fantasybaseballtoday Sign up for the FBT Newsletter at https://www.cbssports.com/newsletters/fantasy-baseball-today/ For more fantasy baseball coverage from CBS Sports, visit https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/ To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ Subscribe to our YouTube channel: youtube.com/FantasyBaseballToday You can listen to Fantasy Baseball Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Baseball Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Baseball Today podcast." To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:03 Welcome to the Fantasy Baseball Today podcast from CBS Sports. I drive. Center Field. What is magnificent? Got a fantasy question? Email Fantasy Baseball at CBSI.com. Get ready to win your league. Well, fantasy becomes reality.
Starting point is 00:00:25 Now here's Frank, Scott, Chris, and Adam. Joe Evato's 297 isolated power was a career high in his age 37 season. He's a future Hall of Famer. Let's talk about some crazy stats from 2021. Welcome into fantasy baseball today. Frank Stamphill joined by Scott White here on Tuesday, November 30th, taking a little break from Emergency Podcasts for how long? Not so sure.
Starting point is 00:00:49 I've got 10 crazy stats. Maybe they're not so crazy, right? Like, we've been doing so many emergency podcasts. I didn't put as much work into this as I wanted to, but I think they're somewhat interesting stats. I don't know. You could judge them, Scott. And you could tell me just how crazy they.
Starting point is 00:01:05 Okay. Sure. By the way, if everything is an emergency, is anything an emergency? Yes. So I'm going to have to go ask. That's what I've been asking myself the past couple days. I'm going to have to go ask my bosses that question, Scott. And I'll get right back to you.
Starting point is 00:01:22 I got some news and notes, some smaller signings and trades that are going on that we'll talk about. And it's the offseason. I realized we haven't just taken a break from baseball, talked about some random fun stuff. So TV, video games, whatever. we've got going on. We'll talk about we'll end the podcast with a little bit later on. But Scotty, let's jump right in, man. Ten crazy stats. I mentioned the first one I wanted to talk about. Joey Votto. So 19 players hit 35 plus home runs in 2021. And Joey Votto did it in the fewest amount of games, 129 games that led to his career high, 297 isolated power. For those who don't know,
Starting point is 00:01:58 isolated power is slugging percentage minus batting average. Is a stat that you can find over on fan graphs. And he did that in his age 37. in season. We all know how good Joey Votto was this past year Scott, but when like you really dive in, it's pretty crazy just how good he was in only 129 games. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:02:17 It is. He was a stud this year, I think regardless of the format, and especially when you factor and then he missed the amount of time that he did, and you consider too that he got off to a kind of sluggish start. Remember one of those starts where
Starting point is 00:02:33 we looked at the expected stats and the actual stats and we were like, there may be something here with Joey Votto. It seems like he's underachieve so far. And then sure enough, once he got completely healthy, he took off. In terms of head-to-head points per game, Joey Votto averaged 3.44 this past year,
Starting point is 00:02:55 which was more than Paul Goldschmidt. It was not that much less than Freddie Freeman. Freddie Freeman 3.51 compared to Joey Votto's 3.44. that's like the difference between Freddie Freeman and Jose Altuve, you know, basically not much difference at all. So by the way, Jose Altuve had more between him and Freddie Freeman when I say the difference was not that much at all. That's because Altuvae had more.
Starting point is 00:03:25 So that might change your perspective there, knowing that. Yeah. So you mentioned what he did in terms of fantasy points per game. We know that Votto's always been great because of plate discipline. He walks quite a bit. he finishes the ninth best first baseman in 5x5 roto this past year, the 51st overall player in that format again at 37 years old. And again, and like only three quarters of a season.
Starting point is 00:03:47 Yeah. And you have him ranked as your eighth first baseman. Things, you know, some things could still change in the offseason. But that's, I mean, I can't see him falling outside of your top 10 at this point. Nope. And it won't surprise you that his early ADP has him as the 17th first basement off the board. So yeah and again that's an FBC which is a different contest probably than the sort most of us most of our listeners will be playing and always always worth pointing out. But I have taken part in one mock draft for 2022 so far and I was surprised how long Joey Vado lasted in that one.
Starting point is 00:04:22 That was just traditional 12 team roto and I think he went in like round 13 or something. I think I took Max Muncie in round seven and was thinking I should have if I had known Vado would be the there in round 13, I would have taken him then and passed up Muncie. Of course, now there are other reasons to pass up Muncie, but I'm sure we'll get into that in a little bit. Yes, we will. Overall, Scott, how much are you, you're buying Joey Votto? It seems like you feel pretty safe.
Starting point is 00:04:50 I mean, it's hard to, it's, it's hard to buy a 37-year-old coming off like one of his best power seasons, but I don't really see any reason not to, I guess. Look, safe is relative. Right. We're not talking about a guy you're investing a first four-round pick-in, you know. So by definition, he's only going to be so safe. And when you look at the first baseman, I have ranked directly behind Joey Votto. Who among Jake Cronenworth, C.J. Cron, Reese Hoskins, Josh Bell.
Starting point is 00:05:28 Who among them is safe, you know? I don't know I don't feel like Votto is comparatively unsafe I think that's and that's the end of that yeah no you know
Starting point is 00:05:41 Reese Hoskins I've mentioned before I think he's probably someone I'm going to have quite a bit of you know he's I feel like he's probably pretty safe you know what he's going to be at this point well yeah but except he's coming off a injury that cost him what half the season
Starting point is 00:05:54 so we haven't seen him back from that yet there's definite risk there. Yes, Joey Votto, you got... Half the season. It wasn't quite half the season, but it was like two months. Actually, you didn't wind up with him in this mock draft. We did, it was... No, I didn't. I wish I had, knowing he went in round 13. Right. Jesse Roche got him with a ninth pick of the 13th round.
Starting point is 00:06:17 All right, so we'll see if... As we get closer to the actual draft season, if that discount remains on one, Joey Votto. Let's move on to crazy stat number two. This is really not crazy, but it's just a... surprising to me. Ten players hit 20 homers with 20 steals this past season. Robbie Grossman was one of them. That's it. That's the stat. It's just like so surprising to me how good Robbie Grossman was. I believe it was 23 homers, 20 steals. He's really good and he was good regardless of format. Another player here, because he walked quite a bit. He was leading off for a large portion of the season for the or hitting near the top of the Tigers lineup. I know Akil Badu was leading off for quite some time for them.
Starting point is 00:06:58 but yeah, 14.6% walk rate for Robbie Grossman, allowed him to score 88 runs, and that was in a pretty pitiful Tigers lineup. We expect him to be better. What do you think? What do you think about Robbie Grossman? I wanted to choose players we haven't really talked about, and yeah, I feel like we haven't talked about him at all yet.
Starting point is 00:07:15 No, we haven't. And, you know, he's been around a while, obviously. He's mostly been a role player in his career, always been good at getting on base, but the rest of his profile that's been that's been tough for us to hammer down in part because his playing time has been so inconsistent
Starting point is 00:07:36 but his first real look as a full-time player he turned out to be a significant fantasy asset regardless of format because I mean anybody who steals 20 bases is going to matter in Roto
Starting point is 00:07:52 and if he adds 20 home runs as well he's going to matter a whole heck of a lot in Roto. So I don't know that I have a lot of confidence in him moving forward. His expected stats weren't so far off from his actual stats, but he doesn't hit the ball very hard at all. Average exit velocity hard hit rate both on the low side. And that's always a bit concerning, especially if you're at a point where you're counting on 20 home runs from him.
Starting point is 00:08:20 I can definitely see things going south for him. especially since the tigers, I don't think they're going to be messing around this season. So where do I have him ranked? I have him ranked in Roto, Robbie Grossman, as my number 35 outfielder, ahead of Hunter Renfro,
Starting point is 00:08:41 Lord of Scuriel, Ryan Mountcastle, Joey Gallo. I even have him ahead of Jared Kellnick. I don't know if I'm going to stick with that, but it's pretty high. I have Grossman pretty high. kind of in the same,
Starting point is 00:08:55 kind of the same thing I said for Votto, where you get to a point in the outfield rankings where, okay, all of these guys have a lot of risk anyway. I don't know that Grossman needs to be downgraded over any of the others. Yeah, so he's currently the 45th outfielder off the board in terms of early ADP. So you are a little bit ahead of consensus as of now,
Starting point is 00:09:18 but I don't mind it. Yeah, again, like regardless of format, 23 homers, 20 steals, walks quite a bit. Hits a lot of line drives, puts the ball in the air. So it doesn't hit the ball hard, but he, you know, when he hits the ball, he does what you want him to do, you know, with the line drives and fly balls there. So we'll see if Robbie Grossman can stick near the top of the Tigers lineup this upcoming season. Crazy stat number three. And our second of four Cincinnati Red stats.
Starting point is 00:09:46 I don't know how I wound up with four different Cincinnati Reds on this list of just 10 stats. But here we are. Eugenio Suarez. was tied for 16th in barrel percentage this past season. That was higher than Juan Soto, Matt Olson, Pete Alonzo, and Austin Riley. And I remember talking about this down the stretch guy. I know that he had a hot September. It's only one month out of six in the season.
Starting point is 00:10:09 For most of the season, he looked like he was done. You know, striking out a ton. Batting average was awful. But what do you think? Any hope here? I mean, you're going to get him free. And I imagine he's still going to play every day for the Reds. Yeah, I imagine so too, because they seem like they're packing it in.
Starting point is 00:10:33 I don't think they're going to find a taker for Suarez, so he'll be one of the players they used to fill out their lineup, whatever it ends up looking like. And yeah, it was a big September. I mean, this could have been your stat itself, the fact that Ehio Hsuarez, who hit 198 for the season, and hit 370 with eight home runs in September. And September stats aren't, you know,
Starting point is 00:10:58 they don't come with the caveats they used to. Rosters don't expand except by two players in September under the new rules. So, you know, he was facing legit competition for the most part during that time. But, but Eugenio Suarez, you combined his 12, 2020 and 2021 stats. It's a 199 batting average. It's a 202 game sample now where he has just been
Starting point is 00:11:31 a home run or nothing. And I think that's what we should expect him to be moving forward. At the cost, you know, you could look at him and say how much downside is there really? I know he used to be a 49 homer guy. He had that three-year span.
Starting point is 00:11:51 with the Reds where he hit, you know, the 49 homer season, he hit 271. The year before that, he hit 283. Like, he looked like a well-rounded offensive player. And maybe he'll be able to recapture that. But that shouldn't be the expectation for Suarez. So I don't imagine I'll ever be excited to draft him,
Starting point is 00:12:13 but there may come a point late in the draft depending on my needs where I say, eh, let's take a shot and see how it goes. Yeah, we're talking to. deeper leagues, corner infielder, maybe you wait on your utility bat, something like that. You just need power in a 5x5 roto league, something like that. Still wound up hitting 31 homers. He hasn't been the same since he had that shoulder surgery, which I believe was either
Starting point is 00:12:35 January or February of 2020. So he was, if the season didn't get delayed because of COVID, he was going to miss the start of that season and basically hasn't been the same player ever since. So that's something that's in the back of my mind. But, you know, a really strong September is something that, okay, in deeper leagues, let's just not forget about this. He does hit in a really, really good ballpark. Seems like the lineup's going to take a little bit of a hit there with Cincinnati. I don't think they're going to bring that back Nick Castellanos.
Starting point is 00:13:05 They still got some pieces there, though. Obviously, you mentioned Joey Votto, Jesse Winker, if he could ever stay healthy as well. Yeah. I did want to mention, I mean, we're kind of talking about deep leagues for Suarez. I have him as my number 18 third baseman. The position is just so bad, right? So, like, that's another feather in the cap for A. E. E. Hsuarez.
Starting point is 00:13:24 Number 18, third baseman, number 23 shortstop. So not even that low at shortstop, though. You'd more likely drafted to play third base, obviously. Yeah. And if you're looking for excuses for Suarez, too. I mean, he started the year playing shortstop. The guy is not a shortstop, right? And, you know, there's been players that say, you know,
Starting point is 00:13:42 defense can affect offense, so on and so forth. So if you're, you know, glass half full, if you're making excuses first Fores, just something to remember there. Number four, crazy stat. I should have mentioned, my first five are all hitters. The five that I'll get to later on are all pitchers.
Starting point is 00:13:56 Number four on this list. Scott, what do you think so far? How crazy are these stats? Are you, yeah. I, you're blowing my mind. All right, thanks, bud. Number four, Ian Hap, hit 16 homers with eight steals in the second half.
Starting point is 00:14:09 His 886 OPS during that span was better than Marcus Semyon, Yerdon Alvarez, and Raphael Devers. any hope in Ian Hap doing it over the course of a full season next year, Scotty. Some hope, some hope. I'm trying to refresh my memory. Frank wanted to keep these a secret from me just to point that out. So I haven't had a chance to refresh my memory on some of these players.
Starting point is 00:14:37 But I have ranked them, so I've looked at each of them individually already. I've ranked everybody. I just have to remind myself what I saw. So I have Ian Hap as the number 47 outfielder in Roto leagues heading into next season, right in between Michael Confordo and Adam Duvall. And obviously he was a trendy sleeper heading into last season because of his power potential, mainly, had 12 home runs in a 57 game sample that year, and then got off to that to a miserable start in 2021, got dropped in much,
Starting point is 00:15:14 of the leagues where he was drafted, I presume. But finished really strong. And I think the... He had a 356 BABIP from August 1st on, hitting 288 with 15 home runs in a 944 OPS. So it's not like I saw something in his hot stretch that would immediately cause me to dismiss it. Obviously, full season stats are more predictive
Starting point is 00:15:43 than partial season stats and the full season stats are still pretty yucky, hit 226 overall. But, you know, go back to our mindset on Ian Hap and during 2021. Look at how he finished the season. And okay, there may still be something here. Yeah, so what I'm seeing in the second half, the, he didn't improve the strikeout rate at all, really. It was 29% first half, 29% second half. We know that he typically does walk quite a bit. Double digit walk rate this past season.
Starting point is 00:16:13 The batted ball data from the first half to the second half lowered his ground ball rate seven percentage points. That's a plus. Fly ball rate up five percentage points. That's a plus. Line drive rate up two percentage points. That's a plus. His hard hit rate was up about nine percentage points.
Starting point is 00:16:32 So, he's been a streaky player before. And when he gets high, we've seen these stretches where, you know, he can hit a ton of home runs, run a little bit, obviously gets on base.
Starting point is 00:16:42 if he's playing well, he's going to hit near the top of the lineup, which means he's going to probably score some runs as well. So if he can carry this batted ball data from the second half over into next season, you know, the Cubs are not playing for much as of now. I think that he's going to have an opportunity to play every day. And that was another thing too. Like the start of the season, he wasn't playing every single day. And once they traded everyone away, they're just like, all right, here you go.
Starting point is 00:17:06 Ian happened. And my boy, Frankie two hits, Frank Schindel. So they let these guys go. And they played pretty well. So that's a good. I think that I think you brought up the key point there is that his hard hit rate was great in 2020, which again, we all liked that 57 game sample.
Starting point is 00:17:25 And it kind of got, it wasn't so great to begin 2021, but then it came back around in the second half. So how do you assess hard hit rate? Well, I mean, in 2020, we saw he could do that. Again, 57 game sample.
Starting point is 00:17:40 Maybe he can't, stayed it over a full season, but I think there was a chance something else was going on in the first half of 2021. So I'm not, I'm not going to write off Ian Hap. Yeah, he's still just 27 years old, too. It feels like he's been around for a while, but, you know, technically in the prime age of his career. So, all right, Ian Hap, big second half. Let's see if he can carry it over. Number five from your Atlanta Braves, Scotty, rocking the Freddie Freeman jersey. Yeah, I was trying to make something happen. Those were the magic fingers.
Starting point is 00:18:15 You know, cast in a spell. Here you go from Fort Lauderdale, Florida. But it didn't work. Come on, come on, Braves Freeman. Get it together. Let's get that contract going. Number five on this list, Jorge Soler. Second half OPS was 9-11.
Starting point is 00:18:31 That was better than Vladimir Guerrero Jr. Jorge Saler's 22nd half home runs were tied for sixth in baseball. Obviously, we saw what he did in the postseason. and he's a different player than Eaton have, but they are similar in that. They are very streaky, and when they get hot, you know, they can get going. They can hit home runs in a hurry there.
Starting point is 00:18:50 So obviously big second half, big postseason, hits the home runs there in the World Series as well. We'll see where he winds up. Still an unrestricted free agent, but, Scott, you know, I think we told people to drop him, you know, in shallower leagues, you know, the midpoint of the season and rightfully so. But along the way, we said, like the underlying numbers don't look that far off
Starting point is 00:19:12 and they came to fruition in the second half. Right. He was still impacting the ball like the elite power hitters like a John Carlos Stanton or an heron judge and so it seemed weird that he was struggling as much as he was
Starting point is 00:19:30 especially since his strikeout rate it was the best he ever had. 23.6%. I mean that strikeouts were not a problem for Jose Solair. So if he if he cut down on his strikeouts and he was hitting the ball that hard still, it was strange that he wasn't delivering until, you know, finally he was. Now, I don't think I'm in a position.
Starting point is 00:19:54 I was actually thinking about this earlier today, irrespective of this question, because again, I didn't know it was coming. But I don't think I can fairly assess Jorge Saler anymore, because I just, that home run he hit in game 6. Like I get emotional, like, I'm from now, for the rest of my life, when I hear the name Jorge O'Lear, I'm going to get emotional. I'm getting emotional right now because it's just like, it was just such a great moment.
Starting point is 00:20:25 And I'm getting emotional. So I don't think I can fairly assess him. Like, if they're, of the four outfielders, Alex Anthopoulos acquired in July. Eddie Rosario, Adam Duval, and Jack Peterson being the other three legs. So there's the one I want back the most. I think he's the most talented. One thing that struck me watching him in the playoffs,
Starting point is 00:20:50 which was more closer than I've ever watched him before, naturally. The quality of his batts really stood out. Sometimes, I felt this way about Justin Upton too when I got to watch him more consistently. Some guys just take really high quality of bats. you don't, it doesn't necessarily show up in the stats. But I came away thinking of that about Jorge Saler. And with his kind of power potential,
Starting point is 00:21:19 I mean, we've already seen it from him before, right? He had 48 home runs in 2019. I think there's the potential for that kind of season from Jorge Saler again. Obviously, the odds are against it. But for where he's going to be drafted, I think the reward probably. outweighs the risk. I don't know exactly where he's being drafted.
Starting point is 00:21:42 Let me see where I rank him because I may have him. It may turn out that I have him ranked lower than he's actually going. So he's my number 42 outfielder just behind Jared Kelnick and Alex Kierloff. Okay. So his early ADP is the 52nd outfielder off the board. Okay. I'd rather be high on it. Yeah, ADP 195.
Starting point is 00:21:59 So don't let the World Series home runs affect you too much here, Scotty. I know you're getting emotional. That was so awesome, though. I mean, like, that home run, has it landed yet? That was, oh, man, that was crazy. But, yeah, Jorge So Ware, are you willing to say that, are you willing to give him a pass for the first half, basically? Not that, you know.
Starting point is 00:22:20 Yeah. Not that we expect he's going to hit, you know, whatever he did, 20 homers in the second half, extrapolate that out. But can he still hit 30 plus? Yeah, I think that's possible. Well, no, I'm saying I think he could. And I don't want to have another Corey Seeger argument here. Yeah, you're not saying it's going to happen, but it could happen.
Starting point is 00:22:39 No, yeah, I'm not saying it's the most likely scenario even. I'm just saying not every player, particularly with the introduction of the new ball last year, is capable of 40 home runs. I think Jorge Saler very much is. It's the sort of, like if he did that again, like he already did in 2019, it won't shock me. All right, so those are my first five crazy stats. Pretty nice discussion on some players we haven't talked about yet.
Starting point is 00:23:04 We're going to head some news and notes, and we're also going to get to the rest of the top 10 stats. Let's talk about some of these things. The giants, apparently, according to John Heyman, are finalizing a deal with Alex Cobb. So they lose out on Kevin Gosman. Obviously, they have Logan Webb, who was so great down the stretch. They brought back Alex Wood, or they're close to bringing back Alex Wood. They also brought back Anthony Descofani. Scott, if Alex Cobb does wind up with San Francisco, I was making fun of Chris last.
Starting point is 00:23:34 year because, you know, he kept recommending Cobb as a streamer. I mean, he was actually pretty good. 376 ERA, 1-26 whip, career high 9.45K per 9. And like the Giants have done great work with these reclamation projects. Just like Kevin Gosman, what they did with him and his splitter and his velocity. Not saying that's going to happen, but this could turn out to be a very good thing for Alex Cop. Yeah, well, Kevin Gosman is the most successful of the reclamation projects.
Starting point is 00:24:02 and what kind of pitcher is he? Splitter. One who basically lives and dies with the splitter, which Alex Cobb does as well. And he's coming off the season. Cobb is where he had his best ever swinging strike rate. His ex-fip would have ranked, I just wrote about this.
Starting point is 00:24:18 I believe it would have ranked ninth in all of baseball if he had the innings to qualify because he's a great ground ball pitcher as well and was getting more strikeouts than we're used to seeing from him. He betrayed us as a streamer for the start. we recommended him for the hardest at Texas in his final turn September 30th. Yes, you're on a down note.
Starting point is 00:24:40 You are right. So, you know, may have left a bad taste in her mouth because of that. But going to the Giants, I mean, it's pretty clear there is ability there for Cobb, and there's no organization that I think is better positioned to pull that ability out of him than the Giants, given their success with Gosman and, you know, some of the, others Anthony Descliffeani, Alex Wood, Drew Smiley for a very brief period. They've done well with this. And I think Cobb's talent is more apparent than some of those other pitchers.
Starting point is 00:25:18 So I think I'm going to like him as a sleeper. I think he's going to be one of the sleepers I am banging the drum for in March. and I expect to draft a lot of Alex Cobb late. Yeah, and we are talking about a pretty late round sleeper as of now. 343 ADP, I imagine if when he signs with the Giants, that's going to climb a little bit, maybe a decent bit, and rightfully so. He's got to stay on the field, too.
Starting point is 00:25:48 That's been a big obstacle for Alex Cobb. Hasn't thrown more than 150 innings, hasn't thrown more than 93 innings since 2018. In that year, he threw 152 and a third. Marcel Ozuna has received a retroactive suspension of 20 games for violating MLB's joint domestic violence policy. Scott, I'm not really sure what to expect here. And obviously, you know, even when talking about this when it was happening, it's, it's always a little bit tougher for us to talk about because, like, look, we're just trying to figure out fantasy value.
Starting point is 00:26:18 But this is like a bigger, you know, it's bigger than fantasy baseball, basically. But I don't know if you have any lean or any, you know, what do you think is going to happen here when it comes to Marcel Lozuna and the Atlanta break? Well, look, MLB has handed out lengthier suspensions for that than that for for situations like this. And, you know, apparently there was there was a lot of questions that came up during the legal process. So, you know, obviously Emil B conducted their own review and basically gave him 20 games that have already been served. So I don't know exactly what happens from here, but this is the statement the Braves themselves released about Marcel Ozuna. I'll just read it. Any instance of domestic violence is unacceptable and we fully support the decision by the commissioner's office regarding Marcel.
Starting point is 00:27:22 We are encouraged to know that Marcel has accepted full responsibility for his actions and is taking the necessary measures to learn and grow from the situation. So I'm very much reading between the lines here, but that sounds to me like there's a good chance he's back, and back for the brave specifically in 2022. It seems like that door is very much open. So I need to get him in my rankings, it seems like. And, you know, obviously there's still months to find out how this is going to play out.
Starting point is 00:27:58 But that's how I'm interpreting things right now. Yeah. So Marcel Azuna is now 31 years old. And he is signed with the Braves through 2024. And it is a team option for 2025. So he is technically still on the Braves roster. And based on what you just read us, I think there's a good chance that he's going to be there. If anyone out there doesn't want to draft Marcel O Zuna for ethical reasons, I have no problem with that.
Starting point is 00:28:27 But yeah, that's the latest on Marcel O Zuna. Max Muncie, we mentioned his name earlier. He said during an appearance on MLB Network that he's not recovering as quickly as he would like from his dislocated left elbow as well as a torn UCL. Now, I don't know if we knew before, Scott, that there was a torn UCL involved. I knew. No, in fact, I think we heard just the opposite. it. Yeah, we knew about the dislocated left elbow, but now, uh, torn UCL for Max Muncie. That's, you know, that's what people usually get Tommy John surgery for what pitchers get. Yeah. Right. And it, it sounds like,
Starting point is 00:29:01 I, I forget who was reporting it, but he's going the rehab route for now, which, you know, for now. Yeah. But for now is what I'm fixating on there. Because if, if it turns out that doesn't work for him, you know, it's not a 12 to 18th, teen month recovery for a hitter, but it's at least six months recovering from Tommy John surgery. It's, I think, I think there's definitely a scenario where Muncie misses the whole season. So that's a guy I need to downgrade significantly. And that's why when I was talking about that mock draft earlier, yeah, I'm definitely not going to be drafting Muncie in round seven anymore.
Starting point is 00:29:41 Yeah. And there's, you know, the Dodgers have lost quite a few pieces here, you know, losing Corey Seeger and Max Scher. What are doing? Yeah. So like they need Max Muncie around. They need a big bounce back from Cody Bellinger too. You know, that goes without saying.
Starting point is 00:29:57 But we shall see what happens here in the offseason with Max Muncie. It's a little, little scary though. Scotty, you're Braves. Also in the news for signing Kirby Yates to a two-year $8.25 million contract with a club option for 2024. He underwent Tommy John surgery in March of this past year before the season started and likely won't be ready to pitch until probably closer to the second half of 2022, I would imagine. I don't think that, you know, he takes over as the closer or anything right away.
Starting point is 00:30:31 But if he has a good showing down the stretch, you know, maybe by 2023, he's someone that we're looking at as the Braves closer. Yeah. Well, I mean, it could happen earlier. I think he'll be back at some point in the first half. Okay. And Will Smith was tough as nails in the postseason. So, like, obviously his role is secure for now.
Starting point is 00:30:51 But he's vulnerable to the long ball. And at times last year, it looked like he was on the verge of losing his job. So I do think there's a scenario in which Kirby Yates overtakes Will Smith next year. And I don't know that that necessarily means he's worth drafting. in at least not in traditional leagues. But just to remind you, Kirby Yates in 2019, his last healthy season, had 41 saves a 119-E-R-A, 119 ERA, 1-19 ERA, 0.89 whip, 15K per 9. I mean, he was right up there with Josh Hater.
Starting point is 00:31:26 It was between him and Hater, who was the top reliever and fantasy, heading into 2020. So, you know, if he bounces back from that, if his, I believe it's a splitter for him, too. That's the wipeout pitch that put him over. Yeah. If that splitter, if he's still able to throw it. And it puts a lot of strain on the elbow.
Starting point is 00:31:47 So I guess that's no sure thing. But the Braves are clearly betting on it with a two-year contract. Yep. And if they want to save some money, Will Smith has a team option for 2023, $13 million. If the Braves don't want to pick that up, then maybe they go the Kirby Yates route. There's a lot of assuming going on here. But we'll see how Kirby Yates bounces back in 2020. A catcher Jacob Stallings was traded from the pirates to the Miami Marlins for Zach Thompson
Starting point is 00:32:15 and two prospects. Outfielder Connor Scott and pitcher Kyle Nicholas Stallings regarded as a plus defender. You know, maybe this is something that helps the Marlins pitchers. He was only 43rd percentile in framing according to Stackass. So I don't know how true that is, but there's not much fantasy value impact here, is there, Scottie. I don't think so though Zach Thompson I guess he's going to get another chance
Starting point is 00:32:43 to deliver as a starting pitcher didn't look like it was going to happen for the Marlins not sure he deserves it but there was a moment in 2021 a hot moment there where I was big into Zach Thompson I remember it like it was yesterday so we'll see if he can
Starting point is 00:33:00 latch on with the Pirates in their rotation it sounds like the Marlins are now shopping Who is there? Jorge Alfaro. So we'll see if anyone bites on him before the non-tender deadline.
Starting point is 00:33:15 Michael Lorenzen signed a one year, $7 million contract with the Angels and is apparently in the mix for a rotation spot, which okay, really, Michael Lorenzen? The thing I want to point out about this is earlier the day he's earlier in the day, the very day he signed.
Starting point is 00:33:31 There was a report that said he wanted to sign somewhere where he could be a two-way player. Yes, I saw that. And then he signs with, Angels, which is like... That's pretty good. The one team where he probably can't be a two-way player.
Starting point is 00:33:44 Oh, that's true. Right. I mean, I guess if he, I don't know, can he be used as a like a pinch hitter and still be used as like a... How often do you need a pinch hitter in the AL? Yeah, that's true. Well, yeah. Maybe not even in the NL if
Starting point is 00:33:59 if the D.H becomes universal. I mean, they can... No, they can't do that either, right? I don't know. these are where the rules in baseball kind of get weird to me because I guess he could start in the outfield, right? And then would he be able to come into the game later on as a relief pitcher?
Starting point is 00:34:15 I guess that would work, right? Outfielder and then move to relief pitcher. Yeah. Later in the game? Yeah, he could do that. I mean, that'd be pretty wild, right? The game where, say, Otani starts and is the DH. You have Michael Lorenzen in the outfield somehow
Starting point is 00:34:31 and he comes and relieves. Shohei Otani later on in the game. That would be so wild. Would it be, would it be legal? I don't know if this would be legal, but I may be wrong. There may be some special rule against this. But like, what if they had, what if they were just alternating Otani and Lorenzen between the outfield and the mound, like every inning?
Starting point is 00:34:53 Oh, gosh. Would that, what did that technically be legal? I mean, neither of them are being removed. They're just swapping positions every inning. Oh, man. I don't know. I don't know why they'd do that because of. Tani's better.
Starting point is 00:35:07 Right. Anyone who's listening or watching right now, if you have any insight into, if that's possible, let us know. Tweet at us at Roto underscore Frank at CBS Scott White. The last news item here, the Pirates re-signed Yoshi-Sutsugo to a one-year $4 million contract and then designated Colin Moran for assignment, which sounds to me like Yoshi-Sutugo is going to get an opportunity to be the starting first baseman, maybe starting DH, if there is one in the National League.
Starting point is 00:35:35 He was really good for the pirates down the stretch. 43 games. 268 batting average. Eight homers. 883 OPS. I remember talking about him like every week down the stretch, Scotty. So he's a name. Yoshi Su Tugo, I guess.
Starting point is 00:35:49 Yeah, I mean, the Rays and the Dodgers couldn't make it work, but leave it to the pirates to find the hidden gym. Oh, man. All right. We'll see what happens. Let's take a quick break when we return. The rest of my 10 crazy stats here on fantasy baseball today. All right, so number six in our crazy sets.
Starting point is 00:36:07 These are starting pitcher related. One of them is I was really reaching. I just wanted a reason to talk about that player, but we'll get to it later on. From June 1st on, the sticky substance crackdown. Dylan Seas led all qualified starting pitchers with 12.6K per 9. He was 6th in K minus walk percentage during that time.
Starting point is 00:36:29 He was 7th in swinging strike rate. And I remember during the season, or even leading up to the season, Scotty, you, you like Dillen C's quite a bit. And then when I saw your rankings, I was a little surprised. I felt like you had him lower than I expected. So why is that? Where are you at on Dillin C's?
Starting point is 00:36:48 Let's see, I have him 39th. 139th. So, yeah, I'm looking at the names around him. I think I'm still inclined to rank him 39th. Yeah. Yeah, there's a world of talent here. And I love the bat missing ability, which came back in full force in 2021 after disappearing in 2020. It's clear he has the arsenal to be a frontline starter, but still 3.7 walks per 9.
Starting point is 00:37:28 And the efficiency issues that go along with it, right? a lot of short starts. Let's see. What did his whip end up being? 1.25. It's a high whip. It is. 3.91 ERA.
Starting point is 00:37:47 He still gives up a decent number of home runs. It's still pretty rough around the edges, I would say, is Dylan C. So clearly took a big step forward, and I think has a lot of upside, more than some of the guys I rank ahead of him. I just think, I mean, that that middle class at starting pitcher is so deep that I don't know that there's a reason to pay up for Dylan Cese.
Starting point is 00:38:15 I guess I'm ranking him at face value and of course acknowledging there's the potential for more but I'm just kind of assuming all right, what he was in 2021 let's say that's Dylan Cis in 2020 and how much do you value that? Because you know, again, I don't see the incentive
Starting point is 00:38:34 to reach for him. Now, I'm putting that cutoff, the middle class cutoff at 55 in my rankings, and I still am 39th, so he's kind of in the middle of that middle class for me. But yeah, I mean, guys, I rank just a little bit ahead of him, Framber Valdez, who's a workhorse, Chris Bassett, Pablo Lopez. I mean, these are good pitchers. Yeah, he does the things that you like. I, like, the swinging strike rate is just, it stands out, right? For the season, 14.8% swinging strike rate, that is elite. I mean, we're talking about ace-like potential there, but you are correct in that the amount of fly balls that he allows coupled with the walk rate is, it's worrisome.
Starting point is 00:39:16 So he's got a little bit of like a Robbie Ray thing going on. You know, not Cy Young Robbie Ray, obviously. But, you know, if Dylan Cs to learn how to trust his stuff a little bit more and work on the control in the offseason, like, then it could become Robbie Ray. Then maybe, yeah. Like everything is kind of there for him to do. that. He's got an amazing slider. He's got a big fastball. He's just got to learn how to command that fastball more. And, you know, I think if he does that, then obviously, you know, the slider could play off that. He uses his curveball about, you know, 15% of the time. So, everything is there for, like, the ace-like breakout for Dillon C's. We just haven't seen it yet. There's not much of a
Starting point is 00:39:53 track record. So I like him. Yeah, you kind of made me a little bit more worry about him, pointing out that fly ball rate coupled with the walks. Number seven, Walker Bueller, we probably We talked about him a little bit, but I thought this was good. Led baseball with 27 quality starts. Four more than the next closest starting pitcher. Robbie Ray and Sandy Alcantir, who were tied with 23 quality starts each. Talked about it all season long, Scotty. The volume, the length that Walker Buehler gave us start in and start out was really unprecedented
Starting point is 00:40:25 following what he did in 2020. I know it was a shortened season, but I believe he did not turn in any six-ending starts. So it was just so wild to see this type of turnaround. Do you have faith using a second round pick now on Walker Bueller? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I've never, I don't know that I've ever been more wrong about anything in my career.
Starting point is 00:40:51 I said Walker Bueller is going too high in drafts because you can't count on him to deliver a heavy and consistent workload. and he did it more consistently than any other pitcher. Yeah, it's a shame. It's a shame for me. It's good for Walker Bueller. And, you know, now the way Bueller stands out from the other, you know, elite level starting pitchers is that he doesn't have quite the strikeout rate as the rest of them. Just a little more than a strikeout per inning.
Starting point is 00:41:29 I'm not saying that's going to cause him to take a step back in the other categories, But, yeah, you have to factor that into your evaluation. That, you know, he'll put you a little behind in the strikeouts for the amount you're paying for him. I will point out that he did slow down the final month of the season. Definitely possible that, you know, he was just tired and all the endings were catching up to him. But a 4.83 ERA from September on comes with a 3.75 X-FIP.
Starting point is 00:41:58 It was his lowest strikeout rate of any month last season. So just keep that in my eye. I don't think it really matters ultimately. Yes, I think he's worth the second round pick as well. And I think the biggest lesson with this is just betting on talent when it comes to starting pitchers. Like we really saw that with both him and Julio Rias, right? Like this high-end prospect pedigree, pitching talent that was, they were both always expected to be amazing. What did you drop over there, Scotty?
Starting point is 00:42:27 My wedding ring, I was playing around with it. I thought you dropped like a finger. I thought you dropped a glass of water or something. I was like, go clean that up. Didn't sound too good. I don't play with it too much. I'm going to drop it in some high stakes situation sometime, and it's going to be a disaster.
Starting point is 00:42:44 Yeah, please don't do that. But again, I think my biggest takeaway is trust in the talent, like long term when it comes to these high-end pitching prospects. Even if it doesn't come through right away, you know, Lucas Geolito, someone that stands out there as well. Number eight in my crazy stats from this past season,
Starting point is 00:43:02 Tyler Malley's 210 strikeouts ranked 12th in baseball, and we're more than Lucas Gialito, Sandy Alcansara, and Julio O'Reas, you know, all names that we regard as, they're going to be drafted in the top three, if not the top four rounds in fantasy drafts this upcoming season. Tyler Malley is not. So where are you at, Scotty, on Malley? Tyler Malley.
Starting point is 00:43:26 I haven't been that middle class at starting pitcher, 41st, two spots behind. Dylan Cease. And let me pull up this page here to remind myself why I did that. Yeah, it's a lot of the same issues as Cease. Vulnerability to the long ball, more walks than you'd like to see it put his whip over 1-2. I don't think there's as much untapped potential here as there is for Cease. I think he's kind of already tapped into his potential fully,
Starting point is 00:44:03 and the numbers are strong, but they're middle class. If he sticks with the Reds, you know, may not go as well for him because we expect the supporting cast to be worse. So I guess that's where I am with Tyler Malley. How does that sound to you? I think that all makes quite a bit of sense. The swinging strike rate not nearly as high as someone like Dylan sees. In fact, the swinging strike rate is a little bit
Starting point is 00:44:32 underwhelming in my opinion compared to his actual strikeout rate and his K per 9. So 11.4% swinging strike rate, 10.5K per 9, that doesn't really add up to me. So maybe a little bit lucky in the strikeout department this past season, but he was facing the National League Central. So maybe that's why he was able to get away with it.
Starting point is 00:44:53 This is not something we've talked about yet, but the National League Central is, At least two teams are going to be pretty damn bad, the Pirates and the Cubs. So you put any stock in that, Scott? I mean, he's going to have to face the Brewers who are pretty good. He's going to have to face the Cardinals who are all right as well. But he's going to have some pretty good matchups there. So what do you think about maybe targeting some National League central pitchers?
Starting point is 00:45:18 Yeah, the Reds might also be bad. Obviously, that doesn't help in Tyler Malley's case. Possible Tyler Malley gets traded himself, too, by the way. His name has been brought up. So keep that in mind. But, yeah, I mean, Brewer's pitchers, Cardinals pitchers, for a while there, we were doing the same thing with the AL Central, right? Because they had three teams rebuilding.
Starting point is 00:45:43 Everybody except the twins, and I believe we can officially call them the Guardians now, Cleveland Guardians. The name change is official. Yeah, everybody except the Twins and the Guardians was rebuilding in that division. and so that helped bolster some of the fringy type pitchers and it worked well. It worked really well. So yeah, I mean, that's something to consider.
Starting point is 00:46:07 Maybe Stephen Mats, maybe Stephen Mats will be halfway decent. I mean, it was halfway decent last year, but in a way we don't really trust. Yeah, American League. We'll be again because of where he signed. The American League Central, that was the story of the 2020 season, right? We got duped by Zach Plesack. We kind of got duped by Kent and Maeda.
Starting point is 00:46:27 as well. So, um, that was a great division to target for pitching that year. And maybe, um, not to the same extent,
Starting point is 00:46:34 but a similar extent. I, I think targeting Brewers and Cardinals starting pitchers could make a lot of sense this upcoming season. All right. It's crazy set number nine and our fourth and final Cincinnati Redstad.
Starting point is 00:46:46 I don't know how this happened. From June 1st on, Luis Castillo had a 2.73 ERA, seventh best among qualified starting pitchers and better than Zach Wheeler and Brandon Woodruff to, pitchers who are likely to be drafted in the second round of fantasy drafts in 2022. His 1.20 whip, however, was tied for 22nd among qualified starting pitchers with Garrett Cole, our good friend, and Nathan Avaldi. So you see that disparity. I think we kind of know what to expect at this point.
Starting point is 00:47:15 You could get a decently good ERA when he's on, Scott, but the whip is always going to be troublesome. Strikeout should be really good as well. I just thought it was worth pointing out just how good the ERA was. for Castillo from June 1st on once the weather started to heat up. Which apparently is a thing for him. I didn't know that. I think more people are familiar with that than they are with how ordinary maybe is too strong,
Starting point is 00:47:43 but his other numbers didn't impress by comparison, neither the strikeout rate nor the whip from June 1st on. So that's why I rank him only 26th, you know, for a few years now. We've thought of Luis Castillo as a top 15 type starting pitcher in fantasy, and I have him ranked quite a bit outside of that now.
Starting point is 00:48:08 Well, that's why I think you're... I think you can count on him having a high-ish whip, and maybe the strikeouts are better. Maybe he can do better than 9.2Ks per 9. He certainly has before, but you can't count on him being that 10 to 11 strikeout per nine inning guy. Also a name that could be traded. So him, Tyler Malley, names are coming up right now as possible trade candidates.
Starting point is 00:48:39 So getting out of Cincinnati, probably something that could help Luis Castillo, though. He is a big ground ball pitcher. Right. I mean, home runs were never his issue. At least not since his sophomore season. I think he probably has more. more upside than I'm looking at your rankings right now.
Starting point is 00:49:00 Does he have more upside than Joe Musgrove? I think so, if everything's on. Maybe more than Jose Barrios, but I mean... Yes, definitely more than Barrios. I don't know more than Musgrove. That's probably similar. I think you could... I think you could make the argument
Starting point is 00:49:14 Luis Castillo still has top 10 upside. And maybe Musgrove does too. But not really seeing him take steps toward achieving that upside. Because the thing about Luis Castillo, I mean, in theory, you're looking at an elite swinging strike rate, elite ground ball rate.
Starting point is 00:49:31 Like, that's the combination I want. But it's not leading to the results, and it's been three years in a row where the results have been good, but not what we want to see. And if nothing else, I think it's clear at this point. High Whip is the expectation for Luis Castillo. Yeah, I mean, I think you're right.
Starting point is 00:49:57 We have enough of a sample size over 700 innings pitched. 3.72 ERA, 1.22 whip. You know, maybe the ERA's a little bit better than that, but that's probably close to what I would expect from Luis Castillo. Just looking at the rankings again, like once you get past the top, I guess 18,
Starting point is 00:50:20 Jack Flowerty, you have at 18, Clayton Curshawn, 19, we'll see what happens with Cursha. but 20 on Frankie Montas, Max Fried, Jose Berrios, Logan Webb, Freddie Peralta, Musgrove, Castillo. This is like a huge glob, right? Like, I don't know how you differentiate these pitchers, but I mean, just give me whoever's going latest of that group. That's just how I'm assessing it right now, which is not very deep, but...
Starting point is 00:50:47 And it sounds like some people are putting Gosman in this group, which we talked about that in the emergency podcast, that I think Gosman's a tear ahead of this group, but not everybody agrees. All right, let's wrap up my last crazy stat really, really reaching on this one. I just wanted an excuse
Starting point is 00:51:04 to talk about Alec Minoa. We haven't really talked about him yet. Of the 25 starting pitchers with a sub 3.25 ERA, 110 innings pitch minimum, because Manoa threw 111 innings. Manoa had the second lowest babbit of those 25 starting pitchers.
Starting point is 00:51:22 and the second highest X-Fit. So I thought that was interesting. His 246 Babbat, second behind only Freddie Peralta, his X-Fit 4.17, which was only lower than Calquantrol. So Calquantrol ahead of him there.
Starting point is 00:51:42 And obviously, you know, we don't think Calquantrol has. Minow was upside. I'm not lumping them together. But what do you think, Scott? Like, what's the evaluation first year for Minoa? I think obviously it was mostly good,
Starting point is 00:51:54 but some underlying stuff that's like, what do you think? Yeah, so of the, we'll call them predictor ERA stats, the ERA predictor stats, which is not really the best name for them, but let's just call them that. XERA was the one that liked Mino the most, 332. That's compared to the 380 FIP,
Starting point is 00:52:15 the 417 XFIP, 332 XERA, which is very close to is 320. ERA. Now, my stance on XERA at this point, and that stat casts ERA predictor, my take on it right now is that it's the best of the ERA predictors at explaining what already happened. But I don't think it's the best at anticipating what's to come. So that's not, that doesn't work in Alec Mnoy's favor, right? And really what stands out the most is 0.9, he was less than a home run per 9. meetings, really good home run rate.
Starting point is 00:52:53 That's despite having a high fly ball rate. So that's why XFIP doesn't like him, high fly ball rate. It's anticipating home run regression. Maybe it'll come. Only 20 career starts. So, you know, we don't know exactly who Alec Minow is going to become. I'm pretty high on him. I have him ranked more than some of those other mid-class pitchers we talked about.
Starting point is 00:53:16 32nd is where I have them because I love the strikeout ability. I love that he's already pitching deep into games. But the walk rate was a little high, fly ball rate higher than we'd like to see as well. And I could definitely see him taking a step back. I don't think it'll be a huge step back, though I don't think he's actually going to regress all the way to his 417 X-FIP.
Starting point is 00:53:37 Yeah, I think that's fair. You know, maybe a mid-3-ZER race, something like a 3-5 or a 3-6, you know, 1-1-5 whip, something like that, over a strikeout per inning. I want to see him develop to change-up a little. bit more. I remember watching his first start, came up and he was facing the Yankees in Yankee Stadium. And he was throwing this change up. And I was saying, I mean, this is a legitimate weapon.
Starting point is 00:54:01 It's something you used to get left-handed batters out. I thought it was like maybe one of his plus pitches at the time because, you know, still learning about him. And, you know, as things went on, it turned out, you know, the change up wasn't nearly as good. But yeah, if he can, if he can sure that up, you know, that would go a long way to him taking that next step. because right now he's really just fastball slider. And it's worked. So, you know, if he adds one more, he doesn't even have to throw it that much,
Starting point is 00:54:28 10% of the time, whatever it is. Just something to literally change things up a little bit against left-handed pitching. I think that can go a long way to helping Alec Manoa. I'm with you, though. I like him. Four double-digit strikeout efforts in his first 20 starts. That's, I mean, that's big time.
Starting point is 00:54:44 That's pretty damn impressive. So I wanted an excuse to talk about him. There was, Alec Manoa. All right, Scottie. 10 crazy stats, how'd I do? Were you really blown away? Come on, come on. I don't think you revealed anything to me that I hadn't seen myself.
Starting point is 00:55:03 But I'm not really your audience, Frank. That's true. That is true. If you had truly blown me away with one of these crazy stats, I would have just been dumbfounded, and that would have been bad content. Yeah. And technically it is your job to know all this crazy stuff.
Starting point is 00:55:19 right that happens so make me feel a little bit better about it all right uh let's wrap up you know off season haven't talked about anything like non baseball related in a while what you got going on scotty what's what's the latest any any any shows any any good tv any movies any any video games uh yeah a little bit less than i'd like actually always you know i thought i thought once the off season came i would get a chance to work on my uh uh NES game podcast, all that's fit for eight bits, more. And get started on season two, hopefully do all of season two. That hasn't happened.
Starting point is 00:56:01 So that's going to disappoint a lot of people out there. I'd like for it too. Takes up a lot of time. And I find I don't have a lot of time right now. Just, you know, just family stuff going on. Kid stuff. Nothing like emergency or anything. Just, you know, maintaining the household.
Starting point is 00:56:18 keeping up with the kids. And occasionally, when I do have time to kick back, I enjoy kicking back. TV, been catching up on Fear the Walking Dead, which is not very good, and it's never been any good. But I'm such a big fan of The Walking Dead that I feel obligated to watch it.
Starting point is 00:56:42 So I've suffered through that. I remember when we had the Wellshan, we were talking afterwards, and it felt like you guys were talking about 20 minutes, just about The Walking Dead. And I'm just saying, I know, I know. It's out of style to like The Walking Dead, at least among the Twitter crowd. You know, obviously, it's still highly rated show and everything. So there are people out there who like it.
Starting point is 00:57:07 But I don't know. I think a lot of people got burned down on it. Not me. I still love it. But the spinoff fear of The Walking Dead, not so much. I have started playing a game that Chris Towers described to me as his favorite video game ever called The Last of Us, which is several years old.
Starting point is 00:57:27 I've heard of it. But I have not kept very current on games, which is why I have an NES game podcast. And yeah, I started playing The Last of Us. I only played like four hours or so, but it's pretty good. It's pretty good. We'll see where it goes. Chris said it's his favorite.
Starting point is 00:57:44 And I generally trust Chris on matters. of entertainment, so we'll see. Nice. All right, well, Walking Dead, I tried to get into it when it was at the height of its popularity. Season two, they were looking for some little girl for like seven. Oh, Frank. Frank, you quit right before.
Starting point is 00:58:05 Right before it got good, Frank. It was seven episodes that they were doing the same thing, and I just felt like the character development wasn't happening quickly. Oh, I took off after that, Frank. Oh, man. Yeah, me. When they result, like, literally the moment they resolve the missing little girl's situation, two thirds of the way through season two, like, that starts the amazing stretch of the show
Starting point is 00:58:30 that I think lasts three or four seasons. But, you know, some people, some people would quibble about that. Maybe I have to go back to it. Look, admittedly, I have to give it more of a chance. I've told people, hey, watch Breaking Bad. It's my favorite show. You know, I think the problem with people who try to watch Breaking Bad now, they have such high expectations because they've heard everyone talk about how amazing it is.
Starting point is 00:58:53 I mean, it starts kind of slow. I believe it is amazing. It is my favorite show. But it's more about like the journey of Breaking Bad, like where it starts to where it ends. So anyone who hasn't watched it who's thinking about watching it, stick with it because Breaking Bad is amazing. I recently watched Squid Game. Did you watch this Netflix phenomenon?
Starting point is 00:59:14 No. No. I enjoyed it thoroughly. I thought it was a really good concept. It's, it's pretty violent. I don't know if that's something that, you know, you shy away from. I'm talking about the walking dead. That is true. As soon as I said it, I was like, yeah, you just talked about the walking dead. So it was really cool. I thought, you know, I'm not going to reveal anything about the ending. So no spoiler alerts. But I was a little, hmm, I found the ending a little bit unfulfilling. The rest of the show is really, really damn good, though. Yeah. And I'm watching Parks and Recreation for the first time. I'm up to. Like the end of season five, we were talking beforehand. It is, yes. Like this is, when I was watching The Office, I said to myself, there is no way another sitcom can live up to the office. And this is pretty close. Parks and Rec is awesome. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:00:02 Well, I mean, people like to compare the shows, and they're both that mockumentary style. There's some crossover with the producers. Yeah, obviously. So you could understand why they compare the two. I don't know that it's necessary. They're both amazing. The office has clearly had a bigger cultural footprint.
Starting point is 01:00:21 And I think the best of the office is better. I think Parks and Rec, at least after the first season, maintains a more consistent level of quality. The first season, they have some trouble finding their footing. But once it hits its stride, it kind of maintains it through the rest of the show's run. I think it's consistently funnier than the office, too, as in like the laughs per episode
Starting point is 01:00:44 for me is higher. But the office has like this emotional underbelly that just like hits you in the pit of your stomach more and you're like, I remember the storylines of the office better than I remember the storylines of Parks and Rec, having watched Parks and Rec years ago. And I need to go back and watch Parks and Rec again.
Starting point is 01:01:08 I thoroughly enjoy both. I mean, to me, they're, They're both would be in my top five sitcoms of all time, maybe top three sitcoms of all time. I think maybe on an objective level, the office is a little better, but Parks and Rec, I think we're more consistent and just on a pure,
Starting point is 01:01:30 on a pure laughs per minute level. I think it's higher. Ron Swanson, one of the all-time great sitcom characters. I mean, of course, Michael Scott is as well. Right, yeah. I think that's probably the best way that you could describe it. I don't think you could do anything better than what you just said, Scotty.
Starting point is 01:01:49 I think the office has a higher ceiling. The Parks and Rec has a higher floor. So that's basically what you just said. Yeah, sure. But yeah, like I am enjoying it quite a bit. I still think I lean the office a little bit more. My only complaint about Parks and Rec, not enough Christmas episodes, man. Like every Christmas season, I go back and watch every Christmas episode of the office,
Starting point is 01:02:12 and I love doing that. And I feel like there's, I don't know, maybe there's only been one or two parks and wreck Christmas episodes, but that's a really weird complaint to have about. I can't remember because I don't remember the storylines as well. They're both really awesome, though. We're going to wrap there for Scotty. I am Frank. Thank you all for listening and watching Fantasy Baseball today.
Starting point is 01:02:29 We'll be back again on Thursday. Bye-bye.

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