Fantasy Baseball Today - 2023 Second Base Recap! Top Performers & Early 2024 Rankings (10/31 Fantasy Baseball Podcast)

Episode Date: October 31, 2023

Happy Halloween! Before we get into second base, what's the latest with the World Series (5:17)? ... Let's start things off with Mookie Betts and Marcus Semien (7:00). ... Ozzie Albies has been awesom...e when healthy the past few years (12:00). Nico Hoerner only fits a specific build. ... Will Ha-seong Kim take a step back (19:00)? ... Ketel Marte and Bryson Stott both offer very different skill sets (24:10). ... Gleyber Torres had another complete season while Luis Arraez led the league in batting average (32:22). ... News (41:56): Brandon Woodruff might pitch late in 2024. ... Let's take a look at 2024 rankings, starting with Jose Altuve (45:45). ... The rest of the top-20 offer vastly different skill sets (57:41). Fantasy Baseball Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts, Stitcher and wherever else you listen to podcasts.  Get awesome Fantasy Baseball Today merch here: http://bit.ly/3y8dUqi Follow FBT on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@fbtpod?_t=8WyMkPdKOJ1&_r=1 Follow our FBT team on Twitter: @FBTPod, @CTowersCBS, @CBSScottWhite, @Roto_Frank Join our Facebook group at https://www.facebook.com/groups/fantasybaseballtoday Sign up for the FBT Newsletter at https://www.cbssports.com/newsletters/fantasy-baseball-today/ For more fantasy baseball coverage from CBS Sports, visit https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/ To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ Subscribe to our YouTube channel: youtube.com/FantasyBaseballToday You can listen to Fantasy Baseball Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Baseball Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Baseball Today podcast." To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:03 Welcome to the Fantasy Baseball Today podcast from CBS Sports. Got a fantasy question? Email Fantasy Baseball at CBSI.com. Get ready to win your league. Where fantasy becomes reality. Now here's Frank, Scott, and Chris. So we know Moogie Betts will be the first second base eligible player drafted in 2024, but who will be next?
Starting point is 00:00:33 Let's find out. Welcome into fantasy baseball today on Tuesday, October 31st. Ooh, happy Halloween. Frank Stamphill joined by Scott White. Today on the show, we're going to recap the top 10 second baseman from this past season. Scott's way too early 2024 rankings. What's the latest in the World Series? We'll talk about that in just a little bit.
Starting point is 00:00:55 For those watching, you are probably wondering, what the heck is on Frank's face? For those listening, it's not a mask. I'm talking perfectly fine. I have a full-on mustache and nothing else. I shaved my beard. Scott, I wanted to be Davis Schneider for Halloween.
Starting point is 00:01:13 You look like Davis Schneider. Yes. Once you told me that, I can't unsee it now. Should I put my glasses on and then I'll really look like David Schneider? Oh, man. Yeah, Schneide.
Starting point is 00:01:25 It's fitting for the second base preview, though I'll go ahead and reveal that Davis Schneider is not among my top 20 second baseman. How dare you? 20, 24. He has 22nd, but he's not top 20, which I think is encouraging. That's an encouraging first sign here before we really get into it. That second base, maybe not as bad as you think it is.
Starting point is 00:01:51 Scott and I were talking beforehand. We basically had polar opposite takes. Scott loves second base and thinks there probably is a lot of upside. I think I can agree with that. But it's every player I thought I was going to be excited about. I just found one glaring wart. And I was like, I don't know. I don't really like that.
Starting point is 00:02:07 And so it kind of pushed me away. But of course, we will talk about all those players. There are always warts. We can talk about warts, David Schneider's warts, if you want to. Oh, come on, Scott. Not today. Not when I've got this mustache. Come on, man.
Starting point is 00:02:21 Are you doing anything for Halloween, Scott? Taking the kids out, dressing up? Taking the kids out. Yeah. I myself am not dressing up. Oh, come on. It's not really my thing. But yeah, taking the kids out.
Starting point is 00:02:33 Probably not for very long, but for long enough, long enough. Did you teach them any life lessons about candy this year? I know that was a big sticking point for you last year. Oh, yeah. We had our strategy session last year. I'll post that video again. I'm not sure my older one is down to participate in that. He's become a little bit sullen.
Starting point is 00:02:55 You know, he's almost nine. Nine going on 15 or something. I don't know. I don't know what's going on with him. Kids, you know? They have, their personalities keep changing. can't keep up with it. Yep, I wish I could relate, Scott, but I've got like a three-year-old cat. So that's probably the furthest I can help out with this conversation. Let's quickly get an
Starting point is 00:03:17 update on the World Series. And then again, we'll get into the second base recap here. Game one, Scott, was like one of the coolest games that I've ever seen. Obviously not if you're an Arizona Diamondbacks fan, but our guy, Corey Seeger clutch ninth inning home run. And then Adoles Garcia would later walk it off with a home run. Game two, Dominion. by the Diamondbacks offense. And game three just ended, as we've recorded this. The Rangers are up. They won the game three to one, so they now have a two to one series lead.
Starting point is 00:03:47 But the big story, injuries. Max Scherzer left with back tightness. Adoli-Scarcia left with left-side tightness. And, you know, frankly, those two can have a pretty lasting impact here on the World Series. So I don't know. I just kind of throw my arms up and say, let's see what happens. Yeah, let's see what happens. So, Rangers up 2 to 1 now.
Starting point is 00:04:09 They got to go two and I mean, I presume we've seen the last of Adolese-Garcia this series. Hopefully not for the Rangers' sake. But, you know, they just, they have to play 500 ball without them for the next four games. And I think that's certainly doable, though the Diamondbacks have been hard to finish off, as both the Dodgers and Phillies can attest. Yep, I have a feeling this series is far. from over and we'll hear from the Welsh on tomorrow's podcast. He was actually at game three.
Starting point is 00:04:40 So we'll get a feel for what the vibe was like, what his thoughts were, where his head is at. Latest on the World Series. We'll do that on tomorrow's podcast. Let's get into our second base recap and take a look at the top 10 or so from this past season. Three of the top 13 overall
Starting point is 00:04:56 players in Roto were second base eligible starting with. No surprise. Muki Betz, who is the fourth overall player in Roto. He was the fourth highest scoring hitter in Head to Points Leagues. He just turned 31 in early October. And while, you know, you hear that number 31, you think, he's kind of getting up there.
Starting point is 00:05:13 The dude just arguably had his career season, batting 307, 39 home runs, 126 run scored, 107 RBI, 14 steals. He's set a career high in home runs two years in a row. And Mukie Betz has 117 plus run scored in five of eight full season, Scott. So I know he's, you know, kind of getting up there in age, but I feel like regardless of format, he's probably like a top five to seven pick. No later than that, I think, heading into 2024. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:05:45 No, I would agree. And I'm trying to remember the last time a second base, I guess it wasn't that long ago. A second base eligible player ranked that high because remember Trey Turner had that one year. He was second base eligible. But prior to that. Altuvae was kind of a mainstain you know the top no he was like a top five it was probably going back to the prime years of
Starting point is 00:06:08 Altuva yeah and what's funny about that is I don't know that it's a slam dunk you would draft bets to start him at second base we always dreamed of the day he would carry over second base eligibility from one year to the next it's happening now but I like so much of what's out there at second base I seem so much upside there
Starting point is 00:06:27 from really all the way through the top 20 that I don't know I kind of think you might be better off starting bets in the outfield. Outfield seems weaker than any infield position. As somebody who's now ranked all the hitting positions, I can say that. Maybe in a three outfielder league, you might prefer to start bets at second base because really no second baseman compares to him in terms of upside.
Starting point is 00:06:52 And you don't have to go that deep in the outfield, in a three outfielder league, of course. But at five outfielder league, I don't know. I think it might be better off sticking with bets in the outfield. I guess the only one knock on Mookie Betts is that he's not going to run as much as the other first round picks, even his teammate Freddie Freeman, which sounds crazy to say at this point. Just 48th percentile sprint speed for Mookie Betts, but he'll still give you something, 12 to 15 steals, but I really would not expect more than that at this point for Mookie Betts.
Starting point is 00:07:25 The number two second baseman was Marcus Semyon, who finished 11th overall in Roto. He was the seventh highest score. hitter in head-to-head points leagues. He just turned 33 in September, but a lot like what I said for Moogie Betts, the age doesn't really seem to matter here. Marcus Semien just hit 276 with 29 homers, 122 run scored,
Starting point is 00:07:45 100 RBI, 14 steals, in 826 OPS, and over the past three seasons, Semyon has finished as a top 25 overall player each year. He has missed one game, one game during the regular season over the past three years. years and he's ninth in home runs second and run scored first in played appearances so we know this is
Starting point is 00:08:08 a volume play scott and that kind of worries me as players get older because you know eventually you're not going to be a volume play it just kind of works out that way but yeah i really don't have a reason to believe marcus semyon won't be near the top of the plate appearance leaders again in twenty twenty four yeah i mean other than like you said the the age thing which hasn't been an issue so far, but it isn't an issue until it's an issue, right? As we saw from Justin Verlander this year, who's much older than Simeon, it's worth pointing out. But, you know, 33's old for the typical player,
Starting point is 00:08:43 and that's how old Simeon is. In terms of what Simeon does statistically, he's elevated quite a bit by the lineup around him. If he wasn't, if he wasn't like a sure-fire 200-2,000, plus, it was actually 222 this past year combined runs in RBI, then maybe it would be easier. The case for downgrading him would be easier. You know, he hit 276 this year, but usually he's more between 250 and 260, so not really, really much of a benefit there.
Starting point is 00:09:19 You know, 25 homers, 25 steals. I'm sorry, 25 homers, 15 steals. Pretty good, but, you know, not not, not. not surefire stud numbers and not numbers that would clearly distinguish him at second base. So much of it is just that run-in-R-BI production that comes from hitting high in the Rangers lineup. Not that I necessarily expect that to change next year either, but you factor in some of those concerns, and I'll go ahead and say Marcus Simene is not my number two second baseman for next year.
Starting point is 00:09:56 He's very high, but not number two. A little tease there from Scotty. All right, let's move on to number three. That was Ozzy Albies. He was the 13th overall player in Roto. He was the third second baseman in head to head points. He turns 27 years old in January. So really in the prime of his career right now, just hit 280 with a career high,
Starting point is 00:10:16 33 home runs, 96 runs, a career high, 109 RBI, 13 steals, and an 849 OPS. You look at Ozzy Albies' last two healthy seasons, 2021 and this past season. He has been a top 16 overall player in each of those years. Does not post big exit velocity, Scott, but just finds a way to mash lefties and kind of pull his way to just hitting the ball right over the fence. And I don't know, it's like two of the past three years.
Starting point is 00:10:48 This is what Ozzy Albies has done. So I think when he's healthy, we should probably expect something similar. Yeah. I mean, that 2020, season where he broke a couple of bones, right? I think it was a thumb
Starting point is 00:11:04 and a foot or something. I can't remember exactly what it was, but it was freakish injuries. It wasn't the normal pulled quad here and a strained oblique there. The kind of things that you worry are going to recur for a player.
Starting point is 00:11:21 I'll be missed time with a couple broken bones in 2022. And it was a little surprising to me. the discount that resulted because of that, given how young he is and given how consistent he had been in fantasy before then, but I don't think he's going to come at a discount next year. And really, the skill set between him and Marcus Simeon is similar
Starting point is 00:11:44 in that, you know, batting average is going to be lower than you expect for a low strike. I mean, Albies did hit 280 this year, but with the high fly ball rate, that usually doesn't happen. Usually he's more like 260. But good power production closer to 15 steals than like 20 or 25 and good run-in-R-Bi production batting high in a very good lineup.
Starting point is 00:12:08 Albies did spend most of, I forget when it started exactly, but I think it was most of the second half. Albies hit second for the Braves after hitting more like fifth or sixth early in the year. And I imagine they'll pick up with that arrangement again next year, which will help his fantasy value. even with the time he spent lower in the order, he still had a combined 215 runs in RBI, so that didn't seem to hold him back at all.
Starting point is 00:12:36 But, yeah, batting second is going to be even better for Albies. I remember for a lot of people that were worried about drafting Ozzy Albies, it was, where is he going to bat in the lineup? And you're right, earlier on in the season, spent 34 games batting 6th did Ozzy Albies, but then overall the position he batted most in, in the lineup was second, batting second. 78 of his games this past season came batting second.
Starting point is 00:13:02 And based on what he just did, I agree with you. I think we should expect him to bat very high in the Braves lineup again in 2024. The number four second baseman was Nico Horner. He finished 25th overall in Roto. He was the fourth second baseman in Head, Dead Points. He turns 27 years old next May. So also in the prime of his career, he hit 283 with nine home runs, 98 runs scored, 68 RBI.
Starting point is 00:13:26 and 43 steals, sixth most in all of baseball. We know Nico Horner makes a ton of contact, just a 12.1% strikeout rate. But this is kind of where we start to get into the wards a little bit, Scott, because pretty clearly, Nico Horner is not going to hit for power. He has just 19 home runs total over the past two seasons. Probably not going to provide RBI either. So if you're drafting him in a Roto league,
Starting point is 00:13:53 he kind of has to fit the right build. He's going to give you batting average. I feel safe saying he's going to give you like 30, 35 plus steals. Probably going to score runs. But a player like that, you know, it's not for every team. You probably have to draft him with like a Yoron Alvarez or a Pete Alonzo or even like a Matt Olson. I think it makes sense to do it that way. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:14 And I guess this is a good time to kind of talk about my broad take on second base because it does begin here with Nico Horner that while I do see a lot of, a lot of upside at the position, a lot of intriguing players who I could, who wouldn't be too difficult to get excited about drafting. It's really hard to rank them
Starting point is 00:14:37 because they do different things. They stand out in different ways. The one you want the most kind of depends on the team you're building. Because Horner, I mean, you said it, he finished fourth at the position last year according to the,
Starting point is 00:14:53 you know, the roto formula. but a complete non-factor for home runs. And if you already have enough stolen bases by the time we reached the point in the draft where you'd consider taking them, probably going to pass on them. You probably need power more at that point.
Starting point is 00:15:11 You know, if you had one of the top five picks, you got Ronald de Cunia or Corbyn Carroll or somebody like that, you got a nice foundation for stolen bases already. Horner is probably not the second basement for you. And that's going to eliminate a lot of people. on draft day. And so how do you account for that in the rankings? I had a hard time with that putting together my rankings because you see other second baseman out there who could still
Starting point is 00:15:37 make an impact in stolen bases, but without being such a detriment in home runs. And you also pointed out, okay, but stolen bases aren't all that Horner provides. And that's true. He did hit 283 this year. He hit 281 last year. That's a lot. not the same as hitting like 315, you know? I mean, he's, he's helpful in batting average. He gets lots of at bats and will be a net benefit in that category, clearly. But he's not going to like carry you in batting average either. So how much is that really worth? Not nothing, but enough to overcome the home run, the lack of home runs. I'm a little skeptical of that. I don't see myself investing in Horner much unless I just really get burned
Starting point is 00:16:25 with stolen bases early on. And I do have some questions about how good the Cubs lineup is going to be in 2024. Now, we're very early in the offseason. They could clearly resign Cody Bellinger or even bring in another free agent or make some trades, whatever it might be.
Starting point is 00:16:40 But they lost Bellinger, they lost Candelario. As of now, it looks like their offense could take a step back with the Chicago Cubs. So if that happens, then maybe we're not getting a plus contributor in run scored either. So just something to consider for now. and obviously it's still really early in the offseason.
Starting point is 00:16:57 Our number five second baseman was Hassan Kim, who finished 38th overall in Roto. He was the eighth second basement in head-to-head points, just turned 28 years old in October, wound up hitting 260 with 17 home runs, 84 runs scored, 38 steals, and a 749 OPS. This is the player that closely resembled who he was in the KBO, where he hit 19 plus home runs
Starting point is 00:17:19 in all six of his full KBO seasons. He had 21 or more steals in four of those six seasons. And so he was a more like power speed contributor there. Maybe it just took him a season to kind of get his footing underneath him, whatever it might be. But we get into the warts, Scott, because Hassan Kim does not hit the ball hard. His average exit velocity was in the seventh percentile.
Starting point is 00:17:42 He hit 17 home runs on 18 barrels. That doesn't really add up to me. I mean, normally that should be like 11, 12 home runs based on, I know there's like a percentage of how many of your barrels should technically turn into home runs. But 17 home runs on 18 barrels doesn't really add up. And he crushed left-handed pitching. He was like subpar against Ritey's, which, you know, those are most of the pitchers that he's going to be facing. I don't know. I mean, this is all kind of me saying like, I don't know how much I actually like Hassan Kim for next year. Yeah, it's a tough one. In theory, in theory, he's kind of
Starting point is 00:18:17 a less extreme version of Horner. Like, I feel pretty confident the steals will be there. But how much of those 17 home runs, like how much is that going to carry over to next year given that the contact on average is pretty soft. You know, on the high end, it's pretty soft. He does have a high pull rate, and that is how you get more power out of weak contact. So he made it work last year, but is that something he can repeat over and over again? I have my doubts about that for Kim, too. He's just such a handy player, though, because he is a stolen base standout and because he's
Starting point is 00:18:52 eligible at second, third, and shortstop. You know, you want to see the glass half full with him. But I do think it's dangerous to just pencil them in for another 17 home runs. More than Horner, yes. But it comes probably with the lower batting average, maybe by as much as 20 or 30 points. The plate discipline is a little bit better, too. Like, Hassan Kim does a better job getting on base,
Starting point is 00:19:17 so there's a lot to like with that. I mean, there's a chance that he is hitting lead off again next year for the Padres and if... Well, that's also questionable too. Like, what if he doesn't? Like, I'm more confident Horner will continue to hit first or second than Kim. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:32 I mean, I think based on their lineup construction, it probably makes sense for him to hit lead off. I mean, assuming he's as good as he was last year, but, I mean, this past season. But I think, like, having a two, three, four, five behind him of, like, Juan Soto, Tatis, Machado, Bogarts, that makes plenty of sense. If they're all still there.
Starting point is 00:19:52 If they're all still there, yes indeed. See what happens with the Padres this offseason as well. Let's take our first break. When we return, we'll get into the rest of our second base recap. We'll do that here on Fantasy Baseball today. Welcome back in. Let's jump back into our second base recap. The number six second baseman this year was Catelle Marte.
Starting point is 00:20:12 He finished 42nd overall in Roto. He was the fifth best second baseman in Head to Head Points Leagues. Just turned 30 in October. And Catell-Tade hit 276. with 25 homers, 94 run scored 82 RBI, eight steals, and in 844 OPS,
Starting point is 00:20:29 he played 150 games for just the second time in his career, and in the previous three years combined, Cotel Marte missed nearly 30% of his game, so I think the prudent approach would be to, you know, expect at least one IL stint moving forward per season for Cotel Marte. And maybe, I don't know if this is fair to say, Scott,
Starting point is 00:20:51 because obviously he ranked very high, highly in Roto, but it just kind of feels like Catele-Marty is better in a points league because of his plate discipline, the high OPS, batting high in the lineup, doesn't really steal all that many bases. It just feels like he's a better points league player than he is a Roto player. Yeah, I mean, the lack of steals at this position in particular is, is going to be hard to, it's going to be a tough pill to swallow because there are so many stolen bases to be found here. and if you don't get them at second base, you've got to find ways to get them at other positions.
Starting point is 00:21:25 And so in some ways, it feels a bit like a resignation to take Cattel Marte because of that. Now, obviously, he was a really good player in 2023. If you do invest in him, you can plan on having them in your lineup every week. But we do have to remember, he was drafted outside the top 200 overall in 2023 because his 2022 was so disappointing.
Starting point is 00:21:52 And his 2021 was good. His 2020 not so good. His 2019 amazing. So he's kind of had this odd year, great, even year, not so great thing going on. I think it would be superstitious to say that because next year is an even-numbered year, Cotel Marte won't be good. But I do think it's factual to say he's had trouble sustaining his production from one year to the next.
Starting point is 00:22:16 He's been inconsistent. Like, that's just a fact. And so I think that's another reason to be a little guarded with how you approach Catele-Marte when he's coming off a good season. And you know his cost is going to be higher because of that. So there have been four drafts over at the NFBC so far this off-season. Cotel-Marty's ADP 147. Does that sound good? That sounds great to me.
Starting point is 00:22:43 I mean, that's, you know, we were saying, I don't remember exactly where he's being drafted last year, but outside the top 200. Let's say it was exactly 200. Coming off a year where he hit 240 with 12 home runs, that seemed like an overreaction. Like he was being downgraded too much. So 50 spots higher when he hits 276 with 25 home runs?
Starting point is 00:23:10 I mean, that still sounds like, That still sounds like a good value to me. I don't know. I have done most of my position by position rankings at this point, haven't gotten into the, you know, mixing them up as the top 300 or whatever. So we'll see where Katelmarte ends up for me. But I imagine it's going to be higher than that. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:33 And. But it is only four drafts, as you point out. Yeah. I think there's going to be a lot that changes obviously from now until, you know, once we get to February. and March and all those big draft months. I mean, the fact he's now set a record for longest postseason hitting streak, I don't know how much that moves him up in the rankings.
Starting point is 00:23:53 You know, it shouldn't, but, you know, he's obviously been one of the standouts of the postseason. Yeah, yeah, he's great in the playoffs as well as Catel Marte. And I've teased this a few times already. And we'll talk about it more on tomorrow's podcast with the Welsh, but I'm actually headed out to Arizona this week for first pitch to Arizona. which is put together by baseball HQ. It's this fantasy baseball conference, and it's going to be awesome last year.
Starting point is 00:24:18 It's going to be even better because obviously the World Series is going on in Arizona, but we're going to get out to some AFL games. We're going to do a live podcast, more details to come on that. And I'm going to do a draft. I'm going to do my first off-season,
Starting point is 00:24:32 you know, like draft and hold. And so I'm going to have more of an idea when I come back. And I think we'll probably recap that draft once I'm back from Arizona. But yeah, I'll have a little. little bit more of an idea of the player pool and where players are going after I do that draft. The number 7 second baseman from this past season was Bryson Stott. He finished 44th overall
Starting point is 00:24:53 in Roto. 9th second baseman in head-to-head points leagues. Just turned 26 years old in October. wound up hitting 280 with 15 home runs, 78 runs scored 62 RBI and 31 steals. He makes a lot of contact. He actually dropped his K-rate from his rookie season. dropped it down to 15.6% this year, increased his line drive rate. Kind of feels like a, maybe like a poor man's Nico Horner, but he's going to give you more pop. So I don't know, maybe poor man isn't the right word. He's like a different.
Starting point is 00:25:28 He's like a jacked up Nico Horner, I guess. I describe Bryson Stott as the happy medium between Nico Horner and Hassan Kim. Okay. Because he'll come closer to Horner's batting average. he'll come closer to Kim's power production. And there's a fact. Stott is the better power producer than Kim next year
Starting point is 00:25:49 for the reasons we highlighted earlier. He probably won't run quite as much as either of those two, but he'll run enough. He was actually higher in sprint speed than both those guys, Hassan Kim and Nika Horner, for what it's worth. For whatever it's worth. I don't know. It's not worth nothing,
Starting point is 00:26:09 but I don't know that it's worth a lot. I mean, players run how much they run regardless of how fast they are, I feel like. But, you know, Stott, depending how much later he goes than those two, he might be the one to have in my mind. I think the only issue for Bryce and Stott right now is where does he bat in the lineup? Because he played 57 games batting fifth, 35 games batting 6th, 39 at leadoff. And my guess those were, I don't know, maybe games where they were experimenting with Schwerber somewhere else, giving him a day off or maybe they were playing a tough lefty or something. Because oddly enough,
Starting point is 00:26:46 Bryce and Stott was actually really good against lefties this year. His splits overall, lefty right, home road are really, really good. So I just don't know, do you think it's realistic, Scott?
Starting point is 00:26:55 Can Bryce and Stott actually move up in the Phillies lineup? I just don't see how it happens. Yeah, I mean, with the personnel they have, it seems unlikely, barring an injury. And,
Starting point is 00:27:06 you know, anybody could get injured, obviously. But you got to figure Harper and, Trey Turner are fixed to two of those top three spots. I could see Schwerver moving down just because it's such an oddity to have your leadoff hitter betting $199 or whatever. Makes up for it with a high walk, right, I understand. But it wouldn't be a stretch to see him surpassed an on-base level and move down the lineup as a result, which may move Stod up.
Starting point is 00:27:39 but I would bet against it. I think he's probably going to keep batting. Where did he hit mostly? Fifth, sixth. Yeah, so it was 57 games batting fifth, 35 betting sixth. Yeah. I'm going to guess that continues for the most part.
Starting point is 00:27:56 Yeah. But if this Phillies lineup can kind of reach their potential, kind of like we saw in the postseason, then maybe everyone just puts up massive run totals and RBI totals kind of like not to the same level. I'm not saying they're going to have a historic season, but everyone in the Atlanta Braves lineup was really good. And so I don't know,
Starting point is 00:28:15 maybe the Phillies can just kind of get it going and everyone puts up awesome numbers in 2024. The number 8th second baseman this past season was Max Muncie, but he will not have second base eligibility in 2024. So we're going to save him for our third base recap. The number 9 second baseman was Glaber Torres, who finished 47th overall in Roto. He was the sixth best second second.
Starting point is 00:28:38 basement in Head Dead Points Leagues, and he turns 27 in December, which sounds crazy because he's been around for so long. And it's just been an interesting career for Glaver Torres, came up when he was so young, got off to this great start, kind of had like some of those COVID shortened seasons. And he was like banged up from that for a while. And he was just, I don't know. He wasn't the same player. And now the past two years, Glaver Torres is back on track. This year he hit 273 with 25 homers, 90 runs scored, 13 steals, and 800 OPS. Huge strides in plate discipline. He had a 10% walk rate to go along with a 14.6% strikeout rate.
Starting point is 00:29:20 That was 22.6% in 2022. I mean, this was far and away the lowest strikeout rate we've ever seen from Glaibor Torres. And it's supported by his swinging strike rate. He posted his career best zone contact rate. The question now is, will Glaver Torres, able to maintain those gains, those improvements from this past season. I don't know that we could say that for certain, Scott, but I could argue that this was the best all-around version we've seen yet from Glaver Torres. He was solid. Best all-around version. I mean, it would be,
Starting point is 00:29:55 it would be hard to put this season over the 38 Homer season he had as a 2019-year-old. I understand he ran a little less in those days than he does now. But there's a big difference between 38. homers and 25 homers. Worth noting, the 38 homers came in 2019 when everybody was setting a career high in home runs, but still, but still. It is worth noting that I don't think, I don't think Torres should be held in the same regard now that he was then when it looked like, oh, he might be the number one second basement for years to come.
Starting point is 00:30:29 I think he, you know, we've talked about a lot of second basemen who do a variety of things, but have their warts, as you mentioned, have their concerns. I think if you're looking to avoid warts from a second basement, you're going to gravitate toward a Glaber Torres, who seems relatively safe, like you have a pretty good idea what he's going to provide for you. But to me, he doesn't have quite the upside of most of the players we've talked about here, doesn't contribute the big steals. He's not a zero for steals, but he doesn't contribute the big steals total.
Starting point is 00:31:04 His home runs are maybe better. than like a Hassan Kim or a Bryson Stott, but I don't think it's enough to make up for the Steel's disparity in five-by-five scoring. But even point scoring, where you'd think Torres would see more of a benefit from that improved plate discipline you were referring to. Even in points scoring,
Starting point is 00:31:24 you look at points per game, it bears out so that he's more like a tier behind those guys than being in the same tier. You're absolutely right. definitely jumped the gun because, yeah, that, I'm looking at that 2019 season. Yeah, 2019. Yeah, that was still a pretty awesome all-around season. And it was probably better than this past year for Glaver Torres.
Starting point is 00:31:51 Oh, we should also mention for Torres. There's a lot of chatter that he could be traded. Yep. As a Yankees fan, I'm sure you hear that, Frank. For his career, he has 123 home runs. Let me see if I have that right. Yeah, 123 home runs. 73 have come at home, 50 on the road.
Starting point is 00:32:13 So that might hurt if it gets traded. I don't know that we want to see that for Glaibre Torres. Yeah, looking at it a little bit closer at home in his career, batting 271 with an 816 OPS on the road. Glaver Torres betting 263, 761 OPS. So you don't really see it as much in the batting average in the OPS, but the slugging, 480 at home. 428 on the road so it would have to obviously depends where Glaber Torres
Starting point is 00:32:43 winds up but I think I agree like maybe if he gets traded to I don't know he's been rumored to like the Marlins the past couple of years obviously that would be maybe the worst case scenario but yeah you'd probably project for like 20 home runs instead of the 25 that he's hit you know the past couple of years yeah I mean I'd have to look into it more well you know there's expected home runs by ballpark let's let's let's Let's take a little peek at that right now. So he hit 25 home runs.
Starting point is 00:33:11 Cincinnati would be 31. Cincinnati's always the highest. You know, it goes to a place like Baltimore. I don't know why he would, but it's 19 home runs. Yeah, I think maybe kind of a worst case scenario for Glabertora as you're penciling him in for something like 20 home runs. So not terrible, but it would have an impact on his draft day value, I would say. Hey, you know, I'm looking at some of the ballparks now.
Starting point is 00:33:39 A lot of them are still like mid to upper 20s in home runs. Yeah, Houston Angels, which is to have a hitters park. Yeah. Like even Seattle, Texas. Yeah. Atlanta. I mean, he's not going to those locations, but all right. I mean, we'll see.
Starting point is 00:33:56 Again, it depends. Well, it's just worth mentioning that Glaber Torres has been mentioned in trade rumors the past couple years. The number 10 and 11 second baseman this year were Spencer Stier and Justice Turner. We talked about both of those names on the first base recap. So I do want to quickly talk about number 12. That was Louis. Stier's not eligible at second base. Yeah, yeah. So that's why I'm skipping past Stier and Justin Turner. Turner won't have second base eligibility next year either. Number 12 was Luis Arise, who finished 71st overall in Roto, ninth best second baseman
Starting point is 00:34:26 in Head Dead Points Leagues. He turns 27 in April, wound up hitting 354, which obviously is amazing. And then what? He hit 10 home runs. 71 runs, 69 RBI, three steals, in 861 OPS. I think he's kind of a divisive player for like maybe the average fantasy player versus like, I guess, the more hardcore fantasy player
Starting point is 00:34:51 because there were times this year, Scott, where people would tweet at us or email in and say, Luis Araze is batting 400. Why do you have him so low in the rankings? Well, yeah, that batting average is really good. And then what? That's always the case with Larissa Rise. And I think the more conservative approach is to expect him to hit like 325 next year instead of 3.54.
Starting point is 00:35:13 And so that's obviously not going to help either. That's it. So you were talking about people complaining we didn't have him higher when he was batting 400. He didn't bat 400. He batted 354, you know? So rest of season rankings were obviously not anticipating him continuing to hit 400, and he didn't. And then when you're talking about projecting them for next year, even 354 is a really difficult projection to make for any player. I mean, we haven't seen a player consistently hit, not even consistently, but hit 350 multiple times since like Ichiro Suzuki and his prime.
Starting point is 00:35:57 It's an exceedingly rare thing that very few players in history, certainly in modern history, are capable of. of doing more than, you know, one time as kind of a fluky season where everything went right. Louisa Ries is built for batting average. I'm not trying to denigrate the guy, but 354 is, on a mathematical level, is just really hard to sustain, which is why you don't see it very often. You know, you said 325, 315 is kind of what I'm thinking. You look at his career numbers prior to last year. He's going to be a help and back.
Starting point is 00:36:35 batting average. But if it's not that outlier rate where he's far and away better than every other hitter, then the lack of home runs, the lack of stolen bases, it's really going to hold him back. Even with that 354 mark, he was barely top 10 at second base, right, as a 354 hitter. And that's not even factoring in some of the guys who came up later in the year, who we haven't talked about you, like Matt McLean and Zach Gelloff, who I think everybody will have ranked ahead of a rise next year. Yeah, so that's what makes it a little bit tough to talk about because he's an awesome real-life
Starting point is 00:37:17 player and he's what he does at times. I mean, like the multiple four or I think he didn't he have like multiple five hit games this year? Like that stuff is just awesome from a baseball perspective, but it doesn't translate as much from a fantasy perspective. So just, I guess, keep those things in mind when thinking about draft. Luisa Rise in 2024. Let's quickly hit on some news and notes
Starting point is 00:37:38 before we get into your way too early 24 second base rankings. And the latest here, not too much going on again. We're kind of in this weird phase. Once the World Series ends, we'll kind of get into like hot stove and rumors and winter meetings and all that fun stuff.
Starting point is 00:37:55 But the latest, Brandon Woodruff, who we've heard a lot about recently, underwent shoulder capsule surgery. He hopes to resume throwing next summer and return prior to the end of 2024. So we've kind of heard this all over the place. Apparently, you know, they thought he was going to be ready earlier in the season. Then they said he's out for the year.
Starting point is 00:38:16 Now he's saying he's hoping to pitch sometime towards the end of 2024. So it ain't happening. We'll see what happens with Brandon Woodruff. And there is a chance that the brewer's non-tendium. I read that recently. Was it last year of control? Yeah, it's a contract year. So if he's not going to pitch,
Starting point is 00:38:34 I don't know that it makes sense for them to keep him around. So we'll see. Not with what he'd earn an arbitration. Yeah, which I think is at least $11 million based on what I read. But they could do, you know, they could do what they could sign him to like a two-year deal.
Starting point is 00:38:50 Yeah. Or something like that while he recovers. Yeah, no, that's going to be an interesting decision for them. Alex Cobb will undergo surgery on his left hip labor on Tuesday and we'll miss six months. months. So that means the earliest Alex Cobb can be ready is late May.
Starting point is 00:39:08 Not to mention he'll need obviously a minor league rehab stint. My guess is June is the earliest we should expect to see Alex Cobb next year. Philly's president, Dave Dombrowski, told reporters that he hopes to resign free agent Aranola. I'm sure he would love to. We'll see what the price tag comes in at him. I'm sure many teams would love to sign Aranola. Taylor Walls underwent hip surgery and is expected to return to baseball activities in February.
Starting point is 00:39:33 your Atlanta Braves signed Pierce Johnson to a two-year $14.25 million extension. Phillies manager Rob Thompson told reporters that Brandon Marsh has a better chance than Johann Rojas to be an everyday player in 2024. Brandon Marsh actually wound up hitting 277. It was pretty good batting average and he was better against lefties this year
Starting point is 00:39:55 than he had been previously. Rojas, amazing defender, but offensively, eh, still leaves a lot to be desired. Aaron Judge won the 2023 Roberto Clemente Award, which is given to an MLB player who, quote, best exemplifies the game of baseball, sportsmanship, community involvement, and the individual's contribution to his team. Last but not least, more so I guess actual baseball news, but Craig Counsel met with the Cleveland Guardians on Monday after previously interviewing with the New York Mets.
Starting point is 00:40:27 So perhaps those are the two top teams getting ready to bid on. Craig Counsel here entering the offseason. Let's take our final break when we return, those way too early rankings here on Fantasy Baseball today. Welcome back in and let's dive in. Way too early, 2024, second base rankings. And the top five includes, no surprise, Mookie Betts, but who is number two?
Starting point is 00:40:53 We teased it at the top. Scott said it's not Marcus Semyon, which means it is Jose Altuve, number two second baseman, followed by Ozzy Albi's Marcus Semi, and Matt McLean. Scott, let's just quickly talk about Jose Altuve. And really now for two years,
Starting point is 00:41:10 whenever he's on the field, he has been awesome. You look at this year, he averaged 3.9 fantasy points per game. That would have tied for seventh among all hitters with Yordon Alvarez. So obviously he's still an amazing hitter. He had 17 home runs,
Starting point is 00:41:24 14 steals, hit 311 with a 915 OPS, did Jose Altuve. That is a 28 home run, 23 steel pace. over 150 games. Now, he hasn't played 150 games since 2017. My guess is you should probably expect
Starting point is 00:41:40 at least one IEL sent, but man, when he's on the field, Altuve still performs like a, dare I say, like a borderline first round pick. Yeah, no, I mean, he's been one of the best values in fantasy each of the last two or three years. And remember this year, he suffered in the World Baseball Classic that fractured thumb.
Starting point is 00:42:05 And so that dropped him far down the rankings. And he ended up having more than a half season, 90 games, more than a half season where he basically performed like a first rounder. So everybody who invested in him, I think, was pretty happy with what they got. He was getting older. It's going to be 34 next May. And as you mentioned, has missed some time with injuries. in recent years,
Starting point is 00:42:33 but you know, you were using 150 games as the cutoff. He played more than 140 games in each of 2022 and 2021. And apart from that broken thumb, which was, of course, a freak injury,
Starting point is 00:42:44 he was pretty healthy last year. It did have, did miss some time right around the All-Star break with an oblique injury, but it didn't cost him that many actual games and, you know,
Starting point is 00:42:56 came back and kept doing his thing. So I think, I think Al-2 is a slam dunk to be the second player drafted at this position. And I'm going to have a hard time passing him up late in round two. Unless I was about to say, unless Mooky Betts was my round one pick, but you just shift bets to the outfield, which I was suggesting anyway. It's not often that you actively want to target a soon-to-be-34-year-old
Starting point is 00:43:25 second baseman in the second round of fantasy drafts. But I agree, man. Like, he just feels so safe. He's hit over 300. Actually, 300 or better each of the past two seasons. Power, speed, one of the best lineups in baseball. I mean, there's nothing. There's nothing even in the profile that suggests that he's falling off either.
Starting point is 00:43:45 So, yeah, I still think Al-Tuvae is one of the safest players at the position. Number five in your rankings. I do want to mention real quick. I do have Al-B's over Simeon, and we talked about it a little already. I think their skill sets are very similar. Yeah. But Albies is still in his 20s, and Simeon's approaching his mid-30s. And the Braves lineup is better than Texas.
Starting point is 00:44:04 Yeah, they're both good. They're both helped by the lineup. But yeah, Braves, I would say, is better. So, yeah. Your number five, second baseman, and one I think many people will be excited about is Matt McLean. He averaged 3.4 fantasy points per game, which was tied for fifth among second baseman.
Starting point is 00:44:21 He doesn't turn 25 until next August. So, you know, he's young. He's kind of entering his prime with the rest of these. Cincinnati Reds. He hit 290 with 16 home runs, 14 steals, and an 864 OPS as a 26 home run, 23 steel pace over 150 games. The one Knox got is the strikeout rate. 28 and a half percent. That's pretty high. And it's a weird profile. We were talking beforehand. He strikes out a lot, but he also hits a lot of line drives, which can help with BABIP and batting average. So it's kind of an interesting profile here for Matt McLean.
Starting point is 00:44:58 Crush's lefties was great in Cincinnati in their home ballpark, which I think will continue here next season. What's your take on like the skill set and that strikeout rate potentially being an issue? Well, my take is there's a lot of upside here for Matt McLean. He has power and speed, basically in equal measure. And he's aided by his ballpark, the most homer-friendly ballpark. It could be a great lineup next year with as many hitters. as they broke in this past year,
Starting point is 00:45:31 ranking him fifth behind the very, like clearly that top four is its own tier, Betts, Al-Tube, Albi, Simeon. What was at the early round, second basement? And everyone else, you know, what comes after is a tier below. It's a very big tier, I think. It goes about seven players deep.
Starting point is 00:45:54 This is where, you know, beginning with McLean here, this is the portion of the second base rankings, where I had a really hard time sorting out who belongs where. But to me, McLean is the ultimate upside play of that group. Yes, the strikeout rate is concerning. And it actually got worse the longer he was up. You mentioned it was 28% overall.
Starting point is 00:46:14 I think it was over 30% his last couple months. I'd have to confirm that. Well, I guess he wasn't up enough for it to be the last couple months. Let me see if I can find it real quick. So in August before he got hurt, it was 31%. How much of August do you actually play? Most of August, yeah. So it actually got worse the longer McLean was up rather than getting better.
Starting point is 00:46:41 But in spite of that, he hit $290. And I think you can expect him, you know, having been having the exposure he has to the league now. you could expect that strikeout rate to start to drop a little. Even if it doesn't, he's probably going to do enough in terms of power and speed that it'll be pretty happy with what he offers. Maybe he won't hit 290 again, but as a 260 hitter, I still think Matt McLean's very likely to live up to this ranking. Yeah, I think that's probably a more fair expectation because if you look at what Matt McLean
Starting point is 00:47:19 did in May, he only played 14 games, but he had 361 in that first month. He had a 500 bad-up, which clearly is not sustainable, but June he hit 287, July he hit 277, August he had 263. So, yeah, I think like, you know, 260 to 270. That's probably what you should expect. I mean, if you just look at expected batting average on Stack has 255, which is not far below what we're saying. And if he does lower the strikeout rate, there is upside for him to maybe, you know,
Starting point is 00:47:50 get to 280 or higher. obviously hitting in that ballpark and hitting as many line drives as he does. I mean, it's not a stretch to think he could be a 30-30 guy. I think 25-25 is the safer expectation. But if you're a 30-30-second baseman, you almost don't care about the batting average at that point. 90th percentile sprint speed, too. So the dude is definitely fast enough to make it happen.
Starting point is 00:48:13 Yeah. I think the Reds are going to be really willing to run next year too, just given their personnel, McLean, L.E. de la Cruz, Noel V. Marte. Yeah, you talk me into it, Scott. I'm back in on Matt McLean. 6 through 10 in your early second base ranks. You've got Nico Horner, Hassan Kim, Kutel Marte.
Starting point is 00:48:31 We spoke about those three earlier. And then we get Zach Gelloff at number nine and Bryson Stott, who you have ranked 10th. So Zach Gelloff, he just turned 24 in October, like McLean, kind of entering this prime right now, 3.2 fantasy points per game. It's obviously a great mark. He was a second round pick in 2021.
Starting point is 00:48:50 He has that prospect pedigree. With the A's, he played 69 games. Zach Gelloff had 267 with 14 homers, 14 steals, and an 840 OPS. He did that after batting 304 with 12 homers, 20 steals at AAA last season. So you combine everything. You're looking at 26 home runs,
Starting point is 00:49:13 34 steals between the minors and the majors for Zach Gelloff. And he's kind of like eerily similar to Matt McLean. He's got a high strikeout rate 27%. Elite line drives, 25 and a half percent line drive rate. But man, that plate discipline, you dig a little bit deeper. 16% swinging strike rate, 74.7% zone contact.
Starting point is 00:49:36 League average is like 84, 85%. So he's 10 percentage points below that. I mean, that is scary, scary stuff here. So there's definitely some skills. There's power, there's speed, but the strikeouts could turn out, be a really, really huge issue for Zach Loff.
Starting point is 00:49:56 Yeah. And I kept making a stink about that during the season. I kept insisting that. I had the blinders on, Scott. I was like, no, I love Zach Loff.
Starting point is 00:50:06 Somebody I could actually pick up now. So, no, I kept making a stink about that during the season and expecting him to drop off. And it didn't really happen. You know,
Starting point is 00:50:14 he played 69 games. It didn't really happen. Doesn't mean it won't happen. But, you know, maybe it'll be even less of an issue next year. Maybe he'll get those rates. up in his second season like I was saying about McLean.
Starting point is 00:50:26 I don't know. I do see that those two is very similar. Obviously, McLean is helped by his lineup and especially his ballpark while Gelloff is hindered by them. I think that's the biggest difference between the two. But I don't think they need to be that far apart in rankings. So I have McLean 5th. I have Gelloff 9th, who I invest in more might depend on where they are actually going on
Starting point is 00:50:52 draft day. But I think if you miss out on McLean and you just want the ultimate, you want upside more than anything else, Gelloff is going to be a pretty good choice for you. I'll also say, so you went, you listed my six through ten here. So it's five through 11, 11 being Glaber Torres, five through 11. That's the range here where I just, you could, you could rank them in basically any order. And I wouldn't, I wouldn't gripe about it too much. because it really just depends what you're looking for, what you need.
Starting point is 00:51:25 They're so close. The names are Matt McLean at 5, Niko Horner at 6, Hassan Kim at 7, Katelmarte at 8, Zach Gelloff at 9, Bryson Stott at 10, and Glaber Torres at 11. Again, like Torres seems like the safe one of those.
Starting point is 00:51:40 If that's what you're looking for most, maybe you move them up higher than 11. Maybe you move them up to like 6 or 7. If you need steals more than anything, maybe focus more on Horner and, Kim than somebody like Catele Marte or Zach Gelloff.
Starting point is 00:51:59 It just kind of depends what you're looking for there. If you want the upside, McLean or Gelloff seems like the way to go. But they're all, they all should be, they're all similar in my mind, even though you know, the fact I have Matt McLean 5 and Bryson's dot 10 makes it seem like a big difference. It's not as big of a difference as it seems.
Starting point is 00:52:22 Again, only four drafts done over at the NFBC so far this offseason. Matt McLean's ADP 69.3. Zach Gelloff, 134. It's a big difference. That is a pretty big difference. That makes me want Gell off. Scott, he's in. Potentially, we'll see what happens.
Starting point is 00:52:39 11 through 15 in the second base rank. Scott already mentioned, Glebert Torres at 11, followed by Andres Jimenez, Nolan, Gorman, Luis Arise, and Jonathan Arronda. Speaking of Ward, Scott, there is a lot. of players in this group. Wait, wait, wait, wait, what was that last name you said? Jonathan, what did I say, Jonathan, India? Did I say Aronda.
Starting point is 00:53:00 I like Aronda, but not that much. Yeah, maybe I just, yeah, that was kind of like a Freudian, a Scott Whitey and slip right there with Jonathan Arronda. But it's India, India at 15. A few names here that we haven't talked about, you know, Andres Jimenez. He just turned 25 in September. He's in the prime of his career. A weird season.
Starting point is 00:53:21 Quality of contact went way down, but he did save his season from July 1st on. Jimenez had 261 with 10 homers, 22 steals. So pretty big contributor here in the second half. I see no reason why he can't steal 30 bases, 30 plus bases in 20, 24. Yeah, he got to 30 with the 22 coming in the last three months. I read that as Andres Jimenez figured out how to take advantage of the new rules that so much of the league was taking advantage of and just began running wild.
Starting point is 00:53:51 the last three months, which kind of salvaged a season, as you say. He's among the fastest players in the league, 93rd percentile in sprint speed. So again, it's, that's why I probably would expect it again next year. 13th, Nolan Gorman, you know, put it together. He had 27 home runs over 119 games. He only hit 236. This is very much so like a max Muncie type profile. Maybe he's not hitting, you know, so.
Starting point is 00:54:17 Not walking as much as Muncie, but for, for, for, for, for, for Roto purpose. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, you're going to get a lower batting average, but we're talking elite level power. His 16 and a half percent barrel rate, that was 97th percentile among all batters, not just second basemen. So no one, Gorman's power does look legit. Jonathan India probably won a hardest players to rank right now. He turns 27 this offseason in December. There's, you know, there were rumors that the Reds could look to trade. Jonathan, India. Obviously, they have all these young kids that are coming up right now. He hit 244,
Starting point is 00:54:51 with 17 home runs, 14 steals, got off to a great start, and then as they started to call some of these kids up, they dropped Jonathan India in the lineup. He was batting third more often than not. And I think he started trying to sell out for power and maybe, you know, be a more middle-of-the-line-up type hitter. And I think it just kind of messed up his season,
Starting point is 00:55:11 and then he got hurt, so I don't know. I think he's kind of a hard one to rank. And if he gets traded out of Cincinnati, that's not going to help either. India and Claiborra is the two to keep an eye on two second basemen to keep an eye on as far as trade scenarios go. I see this group here
Starting point is 00:55:29 beginning at 12 with Andres Jimenez. I see it as another tier, but kind of similar to the previous tier, they all do different things for you. So Andres Jimenez is the steel specialist. And there's a chance he delivers like a poor man, Hassan Kim next year. Nolan Gorman's the power specialist.
Starting point is 00:55:50 Luis Arise, obviously, the batting average specialist. And then Jonathan, India is kind of the jack-of-all-trades master of none. If you're just trying to get a little of everything, maybe India is the one you go for instead. So again, with this group of second baseman, Jimenez-Gorman arise in India, it kind of, rather than being distinct rankings, it's going to kind of depend what you need most.
Starting point is 00:56:17 at that stage of the draft. And I'll say this about India. He hit 269 as a rookie in 2021. His XBA that year was 254. His career batting average is 255. So I think expecting something closer to 250 is probably a fair projection at this point for Jonathan India.
Starting point is 00:56:35 16 through 20 in the second base ranks, we see Tommy Edmund, Brandon Lau, Ronnie Maricio, Tyro Estrada, and Edward Julian. Again, very different players that we have here. Tommy Edmonds,
Starting point is 00:56:49 2023, wasn't all dissimilar from his 2022. The problem for him is that there's just more players who kind of provide a similar skill set to him than there have been in years past. So he just kind of falls by the wayside, I guess. Brandon Lau has legitimate power, but he has missed 150 games over the past two years,
Starting point is 00:57:09 constantly dealing with back injuries. Ronnie Maricio, exciting prospect with the Mets. He got called up late. He had two homers, seven steals in 20, six games. Power and speed there. Max exit velocity was amazing, but potentially some issues with strikeouts with him. Tyro Ostrata, I think is kind of like a diamond in the rough. I don't know. I want to see who the Giants manager is and, you know, how confident they are in Tyro Estrada, but like
Starting point is 00:57:36 14 homers, 23 steals and 120 games. He's been a really useful player two years in a row. Edward Julian is someone we liked and when he got called up. He kind of looked. He kind of looks. lived up to it. He had 263, 16 home runs, 60 run scored in 839 OPS. Just such an interesting profile, Scott. Amazing walk rate for Julian. He's got a great eye at the plate. But a 31% strikeout rate, 50% ground balls, and he's terrible against lefties. Just kind of an interesting profile for fantasy purposes. Yeah, Julian's a weird one. I love how much he walks and he lived up to it right away and the twins bat him, hit him lead off against Ritees whenever he was up because they liked that on base rate too.
Starting point is 00:58:24 And he has enough natural power, but he puts the ball on the ground a lot, as you mentioned. And when he does put the ball in the air, it's often to the opposite field. He's very opposite field-minded. So it's kind of impressive he hit as many home runs as he did, considering. And he had a 13% barrel rate.
Starting point is 00:58:41 That's a really, really good mark. Not just for a second baseman. That's just impressive. It kind of makes me wonder what the upside is, though, unless that hitting profile changes. I'm ranking them this high 20, and we're talking 20th, which is pretty far down the second base rankings. If you don't play in a league that uses a middle infield spot, you're never going to get to 20 in the second base rankings. But I rank them this high, quote unquote, because I like the upside of Julian. I'm just not confident he's ever going to actualize it given his shortcomings.
Starting point is 00:59:11 We'll see. You mentioned Estrada at 19, just ahead of Julian. Yeah, I mean, he's solid. He's kind of a Tommy Edmund light. He's going to provide double-digit home runs, probably. Won't quite get to Edmund steals, but it'll come close enough. I think it's a problem if you draft Estrada as your second baseman, but I think he's somebody you're going to be happy to have as a middle infield option in a Roto League.
Starting point is 00:59:36 Yeah, Edmund, we pretty much know what we're getting there. You're exactly right that he's probably the same. same as he's always been, but when he's one of the few guys out there who can give you 30 steals, you're willing to pay up a lot more than when he's just, you know, now he's just another 30 steel guy who doesn't provide much power. And it's, it's far less attractive in this environment. I think the ultimate boom or bust play at second base is Ronnie Maricio, because the skills are so loud. The tools are so loud, how hard he hits the ball. And the fact that he, ran a ton. Now, he wasn't up for long.
Starting point is 01:00:13 He stole seven bases, seven for seven and stolen bases. And the fact he was that aggressive on the base paths, I think you can count on that being a part of Mauricio's contributions in the majors, and it gives him a much higher floor than I worried he might have.
Starting point is 01:00:29 He's going to run that much. I mean, that's great. So the power is almost like gravy at that point, and it seems like he has a lot of it. So in deeper leagues, I think I'm going to have a lot of Ronnie Maricio. But, you know, obviously still a lot to sort out there. I prefer him to Julian clearly,
Starting point is 01:00:45 but maybe by even more than the two-spot separation in my rankings would indicate. All right, there you have it. The top 20-second basement heading into 2024. And for those who have stuck with this late into the podcast, especially if you're watching us on YouTube, I will actually reveal what I dressed up for as Halloween.
Starting point is 01:01:05 I know today is technically Halloween. My parents have a big Halloween party every year, Scott. And so my wife and I, we dressed up. You see this mustache. You're thinking, well, what was Frank? I was a character who has integrity. I don't know if you're a South Park fan, Scott. But I dressed up as Randy Marsh, and my wife was Towley.
Starting point is 01:01:26 And if you're watching us on YouTube, I threw up a little image there for everyone to check it out. But yeah, I've big fan of it. You got the color of the shirt down. Yeah, I just ordered one on Amazon. It was like, I held up a picture of him. I compared it to a shirt on Amazon. What color did they call that on Amazon? I think I just searched teal.
Starting point is 01:01:48 Teal? Yeah, that's what came up. So there you go. Shout out to South Park. If you do have Paramount Plus, this is kind of a cheap plug here. There is a new South Park special, so I would recommend checking that out.
Starting point is 01:02:00 We're going to wrap there for Scott. I am Frank. Thanks as always for tuning in to Fantasy Baseball today. Please make sure to follow and leave a five-star rating on Apple or Spotify. and we'll be back again tomorrow. Bye-bye.

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