Fantasy Baseball Today - Dynasty Rankings for First and Third Base! (06/22 Fantasy Baseball Podcast)

Episode Date: June 22, 2020

Today on the show we're focusing on the corner infield positions in dynasty but first, how was Adam's birthday weekend? In honor of Father's Day, who are our favorite second generation players to draft in 2020 (3:30)? ... Baseball has not been announced yet and 40 COVID-19 cases have been announced across baseball (7:58) ... Onto the first base dynasty rankings, should you target a first baseman early or try and trade for one because the position is shallow (10:57)? ... Inside Scott's Top-20 rankings, we saw Evan White, Ryan Mountcastle and Nate Lowe ranked in a row (14:00). Which one does Scott prefer and why? ... Is Luke Voit ranked too low at 15 (17:17)? ... Inside the Top-10, who does Scott like between Andrew Vaughn and DJ LeMahieu (21:54)? ... Matt Olson and Josh Bell both flashed their upside in 2019 but who would we rather have in dynasty (21:54)? ... Onto third base, Josh Donaldson is 34 years old but is he ranked too low at 21 (29:16)? ... Scott reminds us why he likes Alec Bohm so much in dynasty leagues (30:50). How should somebody handle Miguel Sano in this format (33:05)? He's the ultimate wild card. ... We move inside the Top-10 but are Yoan Moncada and Vladimir Guerrero Jr. ranked too low (36:00)? ... Email us at [e-mail]. Subscribe to our new YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyCfkdUcqL9UnNpGfkF039Q 'Fantasy Baseball Today' is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Google Podcasts, Castbox and wherever else you listen to podcasts.  Follow our FBT team on Twitter: @CBSFantasyBB, @AdamAizer, @CTowersCBS, @CBSScottWhite, @Roto_Frank Join our Facebook group at https://www.facebook.com/groups/fantasybaseballtoday For more fantasy baseball coverage from CBS Sports, visit https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/ To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ Download our printable Draft Kit from CBSSports.com/draftkit! To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to the Fantasy Baseball Today podcast from CBS Sports. I drive, center field, and swing. This is magnificent. Got a fantasy question? Email Fantasy Baseball at CBSI.com. Get ready to win your league. Well, fantasy becomes reality. Now here's Frank Scott, Chris, and Adam.

Welcome everybody to Fantasy Baseball today Monday, June 22nd. Well, actually, we're recording the night before. Spoiler alert. Frank Stample here with Adam Azer and Scott White. Hope you both had a wonderful Father's Day. I want to wish a happy Father's Day to all the great dads out there. Big weekend for you, Adam, between Father's Day, your birthday, get any cool gifts? Zero.

Zero gifts, absolutely nothing. Are you serious? Yeah, nothing. It was, I ranked this birthday. I'm 36 years old. I ranked this one 36. It was such a bad birthday. All right.

Well, we're off on a great foot here. year. That happened my birthday after our second child too is just like there there was narrow an acknowledgement of it even like it was just so you were just so in it with the newborn at that point you know that like nobody has nobody has any time to recognize what are you talking about nobody has the energy for that also is that basically what it was well pandemic you know nobody even if they had time to recognize that they couldn't. My newborn had a horrible night. She's just screaming the whole night.

My son skipped his nap. He was a mess. I didn't get the pizza I wanted. I didn't get the dessert I wanted. I spent three and a half hours building an IKEA piece of furniture. That was done at 3.30 in the morning. And then we realized we couldn't mount it to the, we couldn't attach it to the wall, blah, blah, blah. So that was a waste of time.

And then I forgot to put litter in my cat's litter box. So she pissed behind the television at the full of the morning. Wow, that is a like I'm not sure what the worst part of that is. Like the IKEA like putting to it's one thing putting together the IKEA furniture, but then deciding it's not going to work after you do that. It was so it was. And then the cat just topped it off. Technically that was on June 20th.

So it wasn't even my birthday anymore. So was it on like. carpet or was it on some kind of like tile or it was on like a kind of fake hardwood floor kind of deal and um on some wires you know right on these wires i'm sorry adam i'm so sorry you know what it's okay um it wasn't that bad it was just like it had it just been a normal night whatever uh the fact that it was my birthday was like wow this is almost funny we've been laughing about it all weekend but it was fine you know i have a great family we made the best of it we laughed about it that's what we deal. Let's talk. Let's talk more baseball, Frank. Oh, wait. I might have that somewhere.

More baseball. There you go. Let's talk more baseball. Not that I want to make your weekend worse, Adam, but your bold prediction did not come true. Also, yeah. Baseball is not back. You predicted it would return on Saturday. So unfortunately, we're still here waiting. Today on the show, we're going to continue looking at Scott White's dynasty rankings. Today we're going to focus on the corner infield positions, first base and third. third base. But I did want to start with this. In honor of Father's Day, I wanted to ask you guys, who is your favorite second generation baseball player to draft this season? Scott, we'll start with you. Oh, yes, because I have such a good answer prepared for that. Second generation baseball

player, my favorite. I'm probably forgetting somebody, but I'm going to go with, I'm going to go with Kevin Vigio. I like, like if I miss out on the early round steel sources, I feel like he's a fairly bankable one

in the middle round range and second base. I often have a need for it still at that point. So it's, yeah, I find myself drafting a fair amount

of Cabin Bigeo, son of Craig Vigio, Hall of Famer. Yeah, you could basically just go up and down the Blue Jays lineup and just choose whoever you want from there.

That was the, yeah, that was the trick. Yeah. Yep, when it comes to to Kevin Bigio, So Scott, do you typically only target him in head-to-head points or potentially leagues with OBP?

Because obviously he takes the hit with batting average in Roto and head-to-head categories? No. I reference the stolen bases. I think that's the most valuable thing he brings to the table. He does walk a lot, so I don't know that his values that much worse in a points league. But, yeah, the stolen bases are the main thing I'm looking at. Liability for batting average, sure. But if he gets you 250, 250, 260 with a 20-20 pace,

maybe even a 25-25 pace, that'll still be pretty valuable. I think I know who Adam's answer might be, but let's find out anyway. Adam, what do you think? Second-generation baseball player, it's flat. Yeah. But he's only going seven spots ahead of Bichette,

and Bichet had a great year. Vlad really didn't. So Bichet's been someone that haven't really drag. but it's one of those guys where I wish I had a little bit more of him. But, uh, Vlad, you look, it's blind. We've said it at a time and time again, it's kind of a blind faith thing. I think he could have a Devers type season. Not going as late as Devers was last year.

But yeah, 60th overall on ADP, I really would like to have some Vladimir McGarrow. Is it a problem that, wait a second. Did Ronald Ocunia's dad play? Major League Baseball or just minor league? I don't think he played Major League Baseball. I have a page

pulled up with all the second generation players and Ronald LeCunia is not mentioned on this list. And we should say like this is not who we're taking first. Oh yeah, of course. It's just second generation players that we do like. Again, Kevin Bissio is being drafted.

That was Scott's pick. He's going 126.2. And Vlad Guerrero Jr. is going 58.8. I've actually been warming up more to Fernando Tatis Jr. Just based on what I'm trying to do now with the short and season, I want really high upside hitters in a shortened season, and I think that's exactly who Fernando Tatis Jr. is. He was obviously ridiculous last year in his age 20 season, 22 homers, 16 steals, 84 games. That's a 42 homer, 30 steel pace.

I don't think he's going to come close to doing that type of, you know, replicating those numbers again. and the 410 BABIP is not sustainable. But I thought this was interesting. When he does put the ball in the air, he makes really, really good contact. His 8.1% barrels per plate appearance and 95.8 mile per hour average exit velocity on fly balls and line drives

were both second at the shortstop position last year. So I'm coming around a little bit more on Fernando Tatez Jr. and taking him in the second round where you need to, obviously, in order to get him on your team. But do you take him instead of like Freddie Freeman or Jose Ramirez? No, because I think I might do it over Freeman. I think he has, in Roto at least, more upside than Freeman because of the steals. But with Jose Ramirez, you kind of want him to do what you've seen Jose Ramirez do already.

So I wouldn't take him over Jose Ramirez, but in Roto I would take him over Freddie Freeman. Points League probably can't take him over Freddie Freeman. Oh, dude, you can't even think about it. In a points league. Nah, can't do it. News and notes. I mentioned that we are recording this on the night, Sunday, June 21st. So some more news might come out by tomorrow.

But the latest that we have regarding the season and what's going to happen this year is that 40 players and staff members have tested positive for COVID-19 across baseball. Certainly makes things more complicated. We're running out of time here. And now we're talking about players potentially being quarantined. for the next couple of weeks before we get a spring training

if we get a spring training. So this is the latest news that we have and certainly doesn't help guys. It doesn't help. It adds, you know, an extra obstacle when it didn't seem like there needed to be anymore. I don't know that it's the biggest obstacle

necessarily that it becomes that. It still seems like agreeing on number of games and amount of payment is still the biggest turtle that these two sides have to clear to bring us baseball. But yeah, I mean, it's definitely, it definitely doesn't help, like you say. I don't think anybody was under the illusion that nobody would ever get it if things did start up. So, you know, hopefully there are plans in place to accommodate it. And with the training sites being open in Florida and Arizona and the people who were showing up there, there apparently wasn't a lot of procedures in place yet for that. It was kind of just a free for all is my understanding.

So when things officially open for training, which now seems like it'll be at all the major league sites, hopefully there are policies in place to help prevent these sort of many outbreaks. Yeah, and 60 games seems the most likely, as of now. Obviously, every day that passes, it's, you know, we're getting further away from that 70 number that the players were trying to propose and anything more than 60 games. So that seems the most likely at this point. Adam, can we just place players who get COVID, like, on the IL?

Is that what's, I don't know what's going to happen, but I assume that's, because players are going to catch it. Like, it's inevitable. It's going to happen throughout the course of the season. If they're not officially put on the IL, then I think they would be. But if they aren't, then yeah, your commissioner needs to allow that in your fantasy league.

You absolutely should not have to use a roster spot on someone who has to miss time because of the virus. They definitely should be able to be put in an IL spot. And you probably want to increase your IL spots this year. I think you probably should have at least four. Yeah. Yeah, I think at least four IL spots. I'll make that change right now in the leagues that I'm the commissioner of now that I'm thinking about it. It's going to happen, unfortunately.

Yeah, it is unfortunate. All right, let's move into some of these dynasty rankings. Scott's been posting these up at CBSports.com. Last week, we talked about starting pitcher and outfield. Today we're going to look at the corner infield positions, first base and third base. Before we get into the actual first base rankings here, Scott, should we be targeting a first basement earlier in dynasty startups? Should they be more of a priority?

Or if you're already in a dynasty league and you don't have an elite first basement or a first baseman that you trust, should you be going out and seeking one via trade? Because, I mean, it's evident in redraft, but I think even more so in dynasty, first base is a shallow position. We don't really have a lot of prospects here that we're excited about, you know, outside of maybe Andrew Vaughn, is someone we talked about last week.

Yeah, that's always true at first base. Like first, especially in an era of versatility where that's so widely valued. Like a prospect begins somewhere else we saw with the Tigers where they're playing Spencer Torkelson announcing him as a third basement. You try your hand at a defensive position that's more difficult to fill. And then you move to first base once you've put. prove that you can't handle it. Or, you know, maybe the system gets overloaded at some spot and your only path to the majors

becomes first base. It's an easy position to fall back on and there will be like it there's not going to because it's because it's not a, not considered a difficult to premium position defensively at the major league level. It's not like teams are suddenly going to have these glove first guys manning first base. like production's going to be lacking at that position. It will always be a spot that they could move another bat. So I don't think it makes sense to emphasize first baseman, true first baseman,

like Andrew Vaughn in a dynasty league out of like position scarcity situation. But it does make it difficult to kind of pin down exactly which players will make that move to first base and become eligible there in the future, even though I have no doubt that a lot of prospects that we think of as manning other positions now will ultimately end up at first base. As I mentioned last week, Scott's, with Scott's starting pitcher in Outfield Ranked, he used a rating system, which, you know, you have a scale, a 1 to 5 scale here, for present value, for future value, and your own personal confidence in each player. So we talked to a little bit about that last week.

So let's... Let me clarify the confidence. Yeah. First of all, because I'm sure it's going to come into play here. Confidence rating is how confident I am in him meeting both his immediate and his long-term value. So it's not just this kind of nebulous confidence rating. It's dependent on what I'm giving him for present value and future value as well. Let's jump into these rankings.

We'll start here at 20. And the top 30 rankings are on CBSports.com. But 20 and working our way towards number one, you have Yulee Gurriel, Danny Santana at 19 Evan White at 18 Ryan Mountcastle 17 Nate Lowe 16 Luke Voight at 15

Carlos Santana at 14 Jose Abraeu at 13 Paul Gulchman at 12 and Yasmani Grandal who of course has first base eligibility will be at number 11 Yeah nobody's nobody's keeping him at first base Yeah we that goes

That normally goes without saying But I did want to just reiterate that point even in redraft leagues, don't ever use a catcher at first base. You just put yourself at such a disadvantage because they play so much less than your normal first baseman who is likely expected to play every single day. So just don't do that.

Don't play a catcher out of position. It's just not smart. The names that stand out to me first and foremost here, Scott, are Nate Lowe, Ryan Mountcastle, and Evan White. How did you go about differentiating those three who are regarded as, I don't want to say top prospects, but they are prospects at the first base position.

Yeah, I mean, Nate Lowe is technically exhausted rookie eligibility, so he doesn't show up in prospect rankings anymore. They're all a little different. They're all a little different. I think actually Nate Lowe is the most volatile of the three, but I also think he has the highest upside. He's the one who I think could hit for average and a lot of power. He's the one that could get on base a ton.

I worry about his path to the majors with all the redundancies that the rays have. And it's just not as the profile doesn't is just a little murkier. It's a little murkier all around. But I like him for the upside. So I have him the highest of the three. I have Evan White, the lowest of the three, though he might be. the safest of them. He is a great athlete, a great defender.

Even though I said a bunch of glove first, guys weren't going to be at first base. He seems like one who will. But he also has a really good hit tool. It's just questionable how much power he's going to hit for and especially playing his home games at Safeco, field or T-Mobile Park, I guess it's called now in Seattle, where it's a difficult place to hit home runs already.

He has improved his launch ankle over the past couple years, but not with like huge returns power-wise in the minors, just slight increases. So I do have a higher confidence rating. I give him a higher confidence rating than I give the other two, but upside he has lower grade because of that. And Evan White already signed a contract extension, correct, with the Mariners? So he is expected to, if there is a season,

he'll be up at the Major League level with the Mariners playing likely every single day because he is a great defender, as Scott mentioned. and last year in AA Evan White, 293 batting average with 838 OPS, 18 homers, and 55 RBI. I want to move on to you have Luke Voight at number 15 and Adam sporting the Yankee shirt, Derek Jeter's shirt.

This is the time of the show where we get to get our punches in on sky. We get to, you know, critique his rankings a little bit more here. Adam, do you think Luke Voight should be higher than 15 here? Not really. So right ahead, just ahead of him, Carlos Santana, Jose Abraeu, Paul Goldschmidt, Yasmani Grandal.

I would take him over Grandal, I guess. I think Grundal is too high. I probably put him 15th. The rest is fine. I mean, Voigt's the youngest, right? Voigt's 29. He's definitely younger than Abraeu and Goldschmidt. How old is Santana?

Santana's 34. So Santana is actually the oldest of that. Okay. So Voigt's by far the youngest. And yet Void's not young, which is part of the consideration here. He's already 29. So, you know, the three ratings I give out our present value, future value confidence. And future value, I couldn't really give him a higher future value than I give him present value because I don't know how much future he has.

Yeah, it doesn't seem like the Yankees are super committed to him. I think it's definitely going to be his job to lose. And he's done enough good things. but he's not a great player. He should be ahead of Grandal. I think Grandal's four spots too high, but that's fine. Whatever. The other guys,

you know what? Let's put him ahead of Santana. Let's go Goldschmidt-Aubreou-Voyt, Santana, Grandal. That's the way it should be, Scott. You're welcome. Adams out here doing Scott's job for him. First 78 games last year for Luke Voight before he got hurt. I know this is something Chris talks about,

a lot. 17 home runs, 53 runs scored, and 50 RBI, with a 14% walk rate, a 901 OPS for Luke Voight in his first 78 game. So he was ridiculous,

and he's a very good offensive player, but, you're right. I mean, the Yankees haven't, you know, been completely sold, I guess, is the way to put it on him long term there. So we'll see, you just kind of play it year by year with Luke Voight, but I think when he's healthy,

when he plays, He's going to be pretty damn good. Yeah, but the thing about Voit is that those 94 games, I mean, what was the OPS again? It was his first 78 games, a 901 OPS. Oh, 78 games. Okay, I mean, that's even better. First 94 games before his injury, he had an abdominal strain. He had an 885 OPS.

That's really good, but he had a 392 OBP. He's on pace for 33 home runs, which is good, but not great last year. I mean, I think Paul Goldschman hit 32 home runs. 94 RBIs, 1004 runs in 162 games. That's good, but Void's OPS is raised by his OBP. He's not going to have a very good batting average. And like a 33 homer pace in 162 games last year was, you know, it's okay. I don't know that he's going to have like a great batting average,

but he should have a decent batting average. It's 270-ish, maybe. It's a high line drive rate that he's proven for more than just a point. partial season now. Like, if you combine his numbers from the end of 2018 and then the first half of 2019, so, like, from the time he joined the Yankees in 2018, the first half of 2019 before the before the core injury, I mean, it, he was a monster. Right, but that's, we were just talking about that with Mike Minor.

Yeah. Take his second half of 18. Well, but there was a clear, there was a clear, we know what happened. We're attributing the core injuries. You're right. Yeah. And collapsing down the stretch, Voigt collapsing down the stretch last year. I like Luke Voight.

I don't know if the Yankees do. It's weird. And they just have so many alternatives they could use there if they're not totally committed to him. And, you know, 29. I mean, players, as a general rule, they don't age well. We don't see, of course, there are the Nelson cruises out there. There are, you know, there are a handful of guys you could point to.

Look how he maintained elite production into his late 30s. But, you know, ever since the steroids era, ever since the steroids era ended, you don't see a lot of that. I mean, players at any position could drop off at age 32 or whatever. It's not common to maintain that production late into a career. Let's move on to the top 10 first base dynasty ranks here for Scott White. Number 10, Andrew Vaughan, number 9, DJ LaMayhew, eight, Reese Hoskins, seven, Max Muncie, six, Matt Olinsey,

Then the top five, Josh Bell, Anthony Rizzo, Pete Alonzo, Freddie Freeman, and No, Uno, Cody Bellinger. Scott, I did want to ask you, you know, in terms of having Andrew Vaughan and D.G. Lamehue back to back, those are, you know, two that stand out to me because you're talking about Vaughan, who's 22 years old, regarded as one of the top prospects in the game, the best first base prospect. And we talked about his upside last week as a potential future first round pick for fantasy purposes. and you have DJ LaMayhew once about ahead of him, who is 31 years old. So just talk a little bit about your process for DJ LaMayhew over Andrew Vaugh. Well, you know, I'm especially high on, maybe you don't know,

because you joined us later in the game. But I'm especially high on DJ LaMayhew, I think compared to the average fantasy player out there. I am not excluding the impact that him having second base eligible, eligibility, him having third base eligibility, right? Him having that versatility, the impact that has on his present value. And so he earns a very high present value rating. I mean, he's borderline elite in my eyes at two of the more difficult positions to fill,

and then a third just in case you need him to move to third base at some point. So that present value rating gives him an equal score to Andrew Vaughn. And so then it just becomes a matter of preference. And, you know, depending on how exactly your dynasty league is set up, if it's keep everybody forever on equal terms or keep the prospect for much cheaper than you keep the proven guy. It's one of those scenarios that I probably do move on ahead of LeMayhew. But if it's something not quite so extreme in its keeper policies, then I think I'd rather, I'd rather.

I'd rather make the investment in LaMayhew and trust they could get three or four good years out of them. Well, how do you, how does the fact that LeMayhew may not be first base eligible after this year factor into your rankings? Do you consider that? I'm not sure I specifically considered it in his case because I think second base eligibility is more important. Yeah, but if you're trying to make a trade

for your future first baseman and dynasty, I guess you've got to consider that with him. Maybe he will. Maybe he'll get to. Yeah, I mean, you should, somebody out there who's planning on filling their first base spot. Yeah.

Yeah, they have to consider that with LaMayhew, of course. Although it's, you know, the standard for him regaining first base eligibility. It's not going to happen this year. It's not going to happen this year. Not going to get 20. As eligibility requirements have changed, yes. We have to change them.

Yeah. It has to change in a choice. I'm not sure what the perfect solution is there. Because I think like just making it one or two games to gain eligibility to position is too low threshold. There could be some fluky thing that. Well, we at the very least we have to change the into next season. Like, as it is now, you need 20 appearances at a position to get eligibility next season. We got to make that 10, right?

Let's just make it 10. At least. I mean, at most 10. Yeah. I was thinking five, but that's probably too little. Five. Come on, Frank. Well, I think five in a 50.

game season would be totally fine. Maybe you don't change the in-season requirement. Maybe instead of 5 and 20, it's 5 and 5. I would be okay with that given how short the season's going to be. But 10, 10 would be better than 20. 20 does seem like an impossible stand. Like nobody's going to be multi-eligible next year if you make it. Wouldn't that be fun?

Wouldn't that change things? It would really change that. It might be kind of fun, but we should. What do you think, Frank? I think we should do a league where players are only eligible at their primary position. I wouldn't be opposed to it. I know in best ball leagues you can only, or in some best ball leagues, you can only score for a certain whatever your main position is.

So you don't have position eligibility. So let's do it. Let's make it happen. At number five and number six in the first base ranks here, go right back to you here. Matt Olson versus Josh Bell. They both have a four for present value, a four for future value, and a three confidence rating from Scott. And I think both of these players, Josh Bell and Matt Olson, they flashed their upside last season. We also saw some of their flaws, obviously. Olson struggles against left-handed pitching.

He has some bad splits at home. Josh Bell had that two-month stretch where he was abysmal, to be honest. So who would you rather have between Matt Olson and Josh Bell, Adam? I'd rather have Josh Bell. I'm pretty high on Josh Bell. I think Scott's done a really good job making the case for him this year as kind of a sleeper might be a stretch. He's not that late, but undervalued. And I feel the way I feel about Bell and seasonal is basically how I feel about him in Dynasty. I think he's really good and he erupted last year and he struggled a little bit, has to make some adjustments and hopefully he will.

But there's so much potential. And I do think the two things that you mentioned for Olson, the left-handedness, the home ball. ballpark. Not that Bell plays in a great park or anything, but I think they're going to hold him back just enough to give me Josh Bell with the edge over Olson. Fair enough. I want to take a quick break there. When we come back, we will talk about our third base rankings real quick. Just want to remind everyone, you can watch us now on our Fantasy Baseball today YouTube channel live right now. You see what we look like here. We're having fun. The link is in the podcast description. And you can just search for Fantasy Baseball today on YouTube as well,

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Scott White's third base dynasty ranks. And before we get into the top 20 here, Scott, I do just want to point out that you have Josh Donaldson at 21. And I get it in Dynasty. he's 34 years old, the injuries have been an issue. But 37 home runs last year, the batter ball data, still pretty good. Is it more so the injuries than anything, Scott,

that he doesn't climb inside your top 20? Oh, I am not confident two years from now, Donaldson's going to be a reliable fantasy contributor, a high-end fantasy contributor. So dynasty value, he's one of the players whose value takes, in my mind the biggest hit in dynasty because yeah the age and the injury history i mean at this uh well not at this time last year but heading into last season nobody really knew what to expect from him then either because uh he was banged up so much that year spent the split between the blue jays and indians and didn't produce that well when he did play so yeah i i'm not like i i give him a one

for long term value i would give just about every 34 year old a one for long term value but but I feel even more confident giving it to him. And by the way, part of it's just the depth of third base. I have him 21st in these dynasty rankings at the position. In redraft leagues, I have him 15. So that's part of it too. Top 20 and working our way towards number one. Ryan McMahon at 20, Tommy Edmund, J.D. Davis.

Surprise, he's not higher. No, I'm just kidding. Mike Musacusakis, Alec Baum, at 16. Miguel Sinoa at 15, DJ LaMayhew, 14, Jeff McNeil, Max Muncie, and Ehuehineos Juarez. That's 20 through 11 in Scott White's top 20, third base dynasty ranks here.

And the only prospect inside the top 20 here, Scott, to the surprise of nobody, is Alec Baum, someone that you talk about a lot, someone that you do like. So why don't you remind everybody why you do like Alec Baum as much as you do? I think he has a really good hit tool and he has really good plate discipline.

And I think at a time when power is so easily cultivated, those are the main things I covet in a prospect. Plate discipline, it's always the hardest thing to teach. He doesn't strike out much. He walks a ton. And then hit tool, his ability to hit the ball the opposite way, to make hard contact. He started elevating better last year,

which is why we saw an increase in power. He certainly has the size to develop into a power hitter. I think he's like six, five. So, you know, if he continues to add loft to that swing, that could be a big part of his skill set. But like I said, power is easy to cultivate. So I'm not even, I wouldn't be that worried about it, even if he didn't show that power increase last year. It's just everything else he has going for him. Rates as about as good as it gets from minor leaguer, frankly.

And I think the upside is somewhere in the neighborhood of like Anthony Rendon. Certainly he could fall short of that. That's the dream scenario. but I think it's also a plausible one for Alec Baum. Again, that is Baum, and he was the third overall pick for the Philadelphia Phillies back in 2018, 23 years old last year across three different levels. Single A, high A, and double A.

He hit 305 with an 896 OPS, 21 homers, and has never had a strikeout rate higher than 15.7%. So, Alec Baum, definitely an interesting prospect, the way that he blends together, plate discipline, contact, and power. Adam, I think one of the ultimate wild cards, just in general, but more so in Dynasty leagues, is Miguel Sino, who is ranked 15th year in Scott's third base ranks for Dynasty. And we know what the upside is.

I mean, we were reminded of it last year, 34 home runs in, you know, just over 100 games. He was on pace for 52 home runs last season over the course of a full season. He's had all field issues, you know, currently dealing with some stuff right now. He's dealt with a lot of injuries. How do you handle Miguel Suno in a Dynasty League, Adam? I would take him over DJ LaMayhew and Jeff McNeil. I would have him a couple of spots ahead.

And I'm number 11 is actually very interesting to me too in Ehuyahe-Henio-Swaris. That's a guy that he doesn't really do much other than Homer. So I feel like there's a chance of his career just sort of craters. but obviously, I guess you can say to see the same. I guess you can say it's like Sano for sure. Sino's younger. By a year,

not a lot younger. Yeah, you know, it's a lot better in everything I did a year ago than I was, than I am now, Scott. That's because of the second kid. Yeah,

especially the end of the birthday I just had. No, this is a really tough group. What do you do with Sanoe? It's a high risk, high reward player. You probably value them a little bit differently, depending on your format in points leagues.

His strikes out just so much. It's going to be hard for him to be that good. Again, oh, well, yeah, sorry. You actually were talking about Miguel, no, sorry, sorry. You harp on Ehueni of Suarez's strikeout rate so often. I thought you switched back. My bad.

Do I really? Okay. It's a tough question to answer, Frank. I mean, he is the ultimate wild card. He definitely does not belong in the top 10. But I could see him going anywhere from 11 to 15 where he is now. And I blow that too.

You go below that. But no higher than the top 10. He's just, he's just got too much going on. Too much negative there. But there's obviously enticing upside. Scott, we talked about DJ LaMayhew at the first base position

and he was ranked inside your top 10 there and he's here at 14. So again, that just kind of speaks to the depth of the position, right? Just how much differently he's ranked here rather than first base? Right. And, you know,

he and Miguel Sanoe have the same score. And we talked about at first base, how Lemaehew and Andrew Vaughan has the same score. So transitive property, Sanoe and Andrew Vaughn have the same score. So if you like Miguel Sanoe, for dynasty purposes, that actually shows you how high I am on Andrew Vaughn. And also, by the way, Alec Bum has the same score as all of them too. And they go all in order.

16, 15, 14. Again, that's Balmse No and DJ LaMayhew. The top 10 at the third base ranks here. Yon Moncada, Matt Chapman at number nine, Mani Machado, my man, at 8. Chris Bryant at 7, Vladimir Guerrero Jr. at 6. Anthony Rendon at 5. And then Nolan Aronado, Jose Ramirez,

Rafael Devers, and Alex Bregman. Number one. Little surprise here, Scott, that you have just a two in the, confidence rating for Yuan Moncada. I know a couple years ago, the strikeouts were out of control. I mean, he's been inconsistent, but last year did make some massive strides, but ultimately that doesn't sway you enough yet.

Yeah. Went from terrible to bad. Look, it was big for him. It took him from not being a fantasy asset to being a fantasy asset, even though he made high quality contact both of those years. You know, part of this, when I read, when I really, Originally, like if you look back at my top 150 dynasty leg, all positions combined, I originally put it together in December. I do have Moncada with a three in the confidence category as opposed to a two.

But I wasn't accounting enough for his upside then, I feel like. So I changed his upside rating from a four to a five. Five, you know, the only people with the present value of five are Alex Bregman, Jose Ramirez, Nolan Aeronado, and Anthony Ren, don't. I don't even give Raphael Devers a five for present value. So five is, you know, you're acknowledging a super high first, second round type ceiling if you give a guy a future value five. But that meant I had to bump down the confidence ranking because I'm not confident. You know, how confident can I be that Yoan Makato will really reach that level of upside? I think it's possible, but, you know, I'm not super confident in it. So I bumped it down from three to two.

So that explains the two, Frank. The elf in the room, Vladimir Guerrero Jr. Obviously had a dreadful season. I mean, I guess dreadful is a little bit harsh, but compared to what we were expecting, I mean, people had this guy in the Hall of Fame before he even made his major league debut. And Vladimir Guerrero Jr. now checks in at number six.

Again, he is 21 years old compared to the man who is one spot ahead of him, Anthony Rendon, who is 30 years old. He's nine years the senior of Vladimir Guerrero Jr. Adam, I guess we're kind of hoping that Vlad becomes Anthony Rendon, right? Or something similar to what we've seen in the past couple of years. Like that would be a pretty damn good outcome for Vladimir Guerrero Jr. It's interesting. Yeah, Rendon last year, but last year was Rendon's best year.

By far. Before that, Rendon was like a great player, but only elite in points leagues because of the plate discipline. He was very, really, really good in Roe. but probably more like a round two, three turn kind of player. You've got to think that Vladimir Guerrero has a chance to be the best hitter in baseball. Right? I mean, let's dream big.

That's what we do in Dynasty leagues. So I would say that you're selling him short somehow by saying you're hoping he becomes Anthony Rendon. I'm assuming Rendon isn't quite as good as what he was last year. It would be, look, it would be great. But come on, let's have a little fun. This guy was, he's Vladimir Guerrero. He was in the hall. His dad's in the Hall of Fame.

Maybe that's why people got confused, put him in the Hall of Fame before he debuted. This guy's got the chance to be, Scott's compared to Albert Pooleholz. I don't want Anthony Randdon. I want Albert Pooleholes. And I just want to say this. I think there are eight third baseman

that this time next year we could be talking about number one in the dynasty rankings. Although, okay, that's taking away age. So put it this way. Eight third baseman who really could be the best third baseman, right? Like I don't think a year from now, no matter how good Rendon and Aeronado were, you're going to put them number one because they're probably just a little too old. But Bregman, Devers, Ramirez, Aeronado, Rendon, Vlad, Chris Bryant. That's the top seven for Scott.

The eighth would be Moncada. I think he has so much more upside than the two guys just in front of him, Matt Chapman and Manny Machado. Moncada, and he's young enough and toolsy enough. This time next year, we could. have him number one in the third base ranking. So Scott, you're too low on Boncata. Move me ahead of Chapman. Move me ahead of Machado. I like it. You know, I'm a big Moncada fan, and I really trust a lot of what he what he did last year and the prospect pedigree that comes with Moncada and obviously, you know,

all the progress that he's made. You know, Scott, if this were last year, how much higher would you have Vladimir Guerrero than he is on this list? Because he's number six. I feel like last year, if you were in a startup dynasty, Vlad was probably going late first round, early second round? I'm actually, I have dynasty rankings. This is the first time I've done position by position dynasty rankings, and it probably wouldn't have happened if we weren't in late June of a season that hasn't started yet. but I can actually look up my top 100 combined rankings

from last year and see where Guerrero was. I got it pulled up right now. Let me see. Guerrero, I had him 18th overall. So certainly would have been high among third baseman. Let's count how many I have ahead of him. Machado, Bregman, Aronauta. Man, Machado was ahead.

Ramirez. I said Aronado already. Yeah, so he would have been fifth, just behind just Aronado, Bregman, Machado. and Ramirez? Oh yeah, Jose Ramirez was third overall in last year's dynasty top 100.

So yeah, Rendon obviously wouldn't have been in there ahead of him because he hadn't shown the same, quite the same upside. And Devers wouldn't have been ahead of Guerrero, which tells you a little something about recency bias because obviously Devers was a huge prospect. He just didn't live up to his potential right away. He's only 23 years old.

so that that that that's demonstrative of something right there so yeah i had guerrero fourth in these rankings now i have him sixth i mean i don't think that's you know i clearly didn't penalize him that much for having a disappointing showing as a rookie especially considering rendon endeavors made the leaps they did those were the two that moved ahead of him um i still give him a five for future rating for guerrero so i'm not i don't think I'm discounting the upside here by ranking him sixth at the position. Do you realize that Aeronado and Rendon have almost the same exact last name? What are those things called where if you move the letters around?

Like a jumble? I don't know. There's an actual word for it, though. I don't know what it's called. I feel like we can make a palindrome out of their names because like A. Rendon and Aaron. Like it's now Aronado's missing the second N that's in Rendon. His first initial. If you go N. Aeronado, you can make Rendon. He's missing the second N, and he has two days. A, Rendon, you can make Aeronaut.

I can't quite make Aeronado. It's really, though. This is why I'm on the show. This is exactly why you're here. You know what, Adam? Speaking of Nolan Aeronado, I'll throw you a Nolan Aeronado question right now. We talked about this last week as well in regards to trade targets in Dynasty. And I brought up the possibility of trying to trade Nolan Aronado away right now.

which just sounds kind of ridiculous because his average season over the past five years is a 300 batting average, 40 homers, 104 runs scored, 124 RBI, and three steals. But we're starting to hear more of those whispers

about him potentially getting traded. Would you try and trade Nolan Aronado right now if you own him in Dynasty at him? I sure would. I believe he is going to get traded. This could be his last year at Corus Field. And he's amazing. but seals no bases.

Maybe. Yeah, trade him. I don't have much else to say, because I've said it before. I do think he's going to get traded. So I would not bank on him being a Colorado Rocky for that much longer. Well, Scott brought up that if you do try and trade him right now, you're probably going to get low-ball offers

because other people are thinking the same thing. Yeah. It's never a bad idea to try, right? You just can't, when you're trying, you can't go in with the idea. idea that I have to do this. And you see major league teams do this all the time. How often do we hear about a big name being on the market and then he doesn't end up getting moved and we're frustrated. We blame reporters for like, you don't know what you're talking about. This guy didn't, but, you know, a guy being on the market, you have to get a good enough offer to move him. And more

often than not, you're not going to. I don't suspect you'll get a fair offer for Aeronado. I think people will try to lowball you. I don't think the threat of him leaving Colorado. is, should be so scary that you feel like you have to move him. It wouldn't totally ruin him. It'll just move his value down a little bit. So, you know, you shouldn't accept a low ball offer for him out of fear of him being moved. But that's not really where anybody's head is right now. Like that storyline about him being upset with the Rocky's front office is like, it feels

like it was 100 years ago, right? Seriously, does. We've been through since then. So, you know, maybe among more casual fantasy baseballers, it won't even cross their mind. And they'll just be happy to trade for the guy who competes for the Triple Crown every year. Frank, would you take Moncada or Aronado in Dynasty? Hmm.

In a vacuum. You're separated by like six spots in Scott's rankings. In a vacuum, I would still take Nolan Aronado. Let's hear your top five. Top five? I don't disagree with Breggman being number one. I mean, you guys know that I love Raphael Devers, and we've done a few startup mock drafts already,

startup dynasty mock drafts. And I think I've had a late first round pick in both of those, and I took Raphael Devers both times in the first round. So I do have a lot of confidence in him. I like him going second. Jose Ramirez is still 27 years old. I like the possibility of him. bouncing back, and I think we saw that last year.

So I don't have a problem with that. He's good in Roto. He's good in points. He makes a lot of contact, good play discipline. I think 2018, he was actually the top scoring hitter in points league, so really not far removed from being great in that format. You know, I think fourth, I would probably have Vladimir Guerrero. I would have Vladimir Guerrero fourth, and then, yeah, I mean, I do kind of worry about Aronado, but I'll put him fifth on this list

but I would put Vladimir Guerrero ahead of him I would put him fourth so for me Bregman Devers Jose Ramirez Vladimir Guerrero and then Nolan Aronado fifth in Dynasty and I would take him over Y'all Moncada but I like Moncada man I'm a big fan

any dispute there Would you have Moncada ahead of Red and Don No probably just behind him I would say seventh Yeah I could I could be talked into moving Moncada as high as seventh.

I have him 10th. And the three guys that were divided on are Matt Chapman, Mani Machado, Chris Bryant, all three, I give a higher confidence rating for Yoan Moncada. And look, I think of those four, Moncada is clearly the most likely to bust, right? And that would, you know, any long-term ambitions you have at that point,

if a guy busts, he busts, and he's just worthless to you. So it's important, it's actually more important in a dynasty context than in a redress. draft context not to overvalue upside. Because downside, you go from having a long-term asset to not. There's nothing worse in a dynasty league than that.

So, you know, that's ultimately why I rank Moncada behind Bryant, Machado, and Chapman. But they all have the same combined score. So it becomes a matter of preference. Yeah, so you're just splitting hairs at that point. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And my hair splits on the side of abundance of caution, so Moncada's last. But if you're thinking in terms of upside, he probably would be first.

Scared money, don't make money, Scott. You all Moncad, I just think one of these guys that probably not going to hit 300 again because he had a massive babbip. But if he hits 280, 290 over the course of a full season, I think he'd get the power back up, 30 homers, double-digit steals. I mean, that's the type of upside that we're talking about with a player like Montcada. So it's a preference for me, but I would probably have him, you know, closer to that top five, six or seven. Again, you can find Scott White's first base and third base dynasty ranks over on CBSports.com.

And over the next couple days, we're going to talk about his middle infield ranks. So we'll stop it there, guys. Let Adam, you know, try and salvage the weekend, man. I'm sorry, bud. Yeah, it's okay, man. Thank you. And happy Father's Day to everybody. Yes, absolutely.

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