Fantasy Baseball Today - Dynasty Roto Mock Draft Review; No Minor-League Season? (05/04 Fantasy Baseball Podcast)

Episode Date: May 4, 2020

We're reviewing a 12-team dynasty Roto mock draft we did but first, may the fourth be with you! Late last week we had some news that there might not be a minor-league season (5:15). How does that affe...ct the timeline of players in 2020? ... Diving into our startup dynasty mock draft, what are the differences between Roto and H2H points (18:55). Taking a look at the first round, would you rather have Fernando Tatis or Alex Bregman? Did Gerrit Cole get drafted too early at six? ... What happened towards the end of the first round and the early second round (26:20)? How should you feel about Trea Turner in dynasty given speed is his biggest asset. Also, who does Scott prefer between Rafael Devers and Jose Ramirez? ... What else happened in the second round (33:00)? Can you make Gerrit Cole and Jacob deGrom work in dynasty? Will Yordan Alvarez ever play a position? Should Wander Franco be drafted this early? ... Who do you prefer between Jo Adell and Luis Robert (39:15)? Who would Scott take between Chris Paddack and Lucas Giolito (42:30)? Why does Adam build his dynasty roster around younger hitters (46:35). If you miss out on a younger player, should you just take an older one and prospects? ... Email us at fantasybaseball@cbsi.com. 'Fantasy Baseball Today' is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Google Podcasts, Castbox and wherever else you listen to podcasts.  Follow our FBT team on Twitter: @CBSFantasyBB, @AdamAizer, @CTowersCBS, @CBSScottWhite, @Roto_Frank Join our Facebook group at https://www.facebook.com/groups/fantasybaseballtoday For more fantasy baseball coverage from CBS Sports, visit https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/ To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ Download our printable Draft Kit from CBSSports.com/draftkit! To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Welcome to the Fantasy Baseball Today podcast from CBS Sports. I drive, center field, hit the wall. Grand Slam! This is magnificent. Got a fantasy question? Email Fantasy Baseball at CBSI.com. Get ready to win your league. Well, fantasy becomes reality.
Starting point is 00:00:21 Now here's Frank, Scott, Chris, and Adam. Happy Monday, everybody, and welcome to Fantasy Baseball today. Frank here with Adam. Scott, gentlemen, may the Fourth be with you. Is it accurate to call, I assume Chris was like the biggest Star Wars fan on the podcast. Is that fair to say? Oh, yeah. That's not even here for May the Fourth.
Starting point is 00:00:41 What kind of Star Wars fan is he? He was tweeting about Star Wars this morning, and I didn't even think it was because of May the Fourth that didn't even cross my mind. It was just another Monday for Chris tweeting about Star Wars movies. That's what he does. Yeah, I just feel bad for Star Wars because the very next day is a much, much, much better holiday. Oof, right?
Starting point is 00:01:03 That's not really a hot take. I mean, Cinco de Mayo's awesome. Well, it's much longer standing than when it May the fourth start. I mean, obviously, May the fourth has been a day on the calendar. Yeah, it's equally as old as Cinco de Mayo.
Starting point is 00:01:18 When did people start calling it Star Wars Day? I'm not sure, but all you get to do is dress up. You get to actually eat, like, great food on May the 5th. I only remember hearing of it like within the last five, ten years. So it's,
Starting point is 00:01:32 you know. I know, for me, it's even sooner than that, I feel like, but yeah. It's a, it's a bigger phenomenon
Starting point is 00:01:36 because of baseball, because normally, like, fans at the game are just, like, dressed up like crazy Star Wars characters.
Starting point is 00:01:43 Yeah. Do you guys actually like Star Wars? Are you big fans? I like Star Wars. I want to call myself a big fan, but. Frank, don't do this to me,
Starting point is 00:01:52 please. Adam, you don't have any, do you have any controversial Star Wars takes? My controversial take was that I didn't like Star Wars, but then I watched
Starting point is 00:02:00 The original star, when I grew up, I thought it was such a boring movie, a New Hope. Yeah. And then I watched it a few years ago, and I was like, it's really good. Well, I feel like if you see it too young, it is boring. It's not. Yeah, but I, so I decided they had a marathon, right? And I was going to, I devoured all three of them, the episodes four, five, and six. And I watched the New Hope and I really liked it.
Starting point is 00:02:22 I was like, this is great. And that was probably almost three years ago. And the other two are still on my devour. are. I still haven't seen them. So I would really like to find out if I like Star Wars. I caught a little bit of, I think, the Phantom Menace. Is that the one with Liam Neeson, Fandemannis? Yes. Yeah. It looked terrible. It was like really cheesy and stupid. Darth Mall looks awesome though. But, but yeah, I mean, I really, I'm sure I'm going to love Empire Strikes Back because a new hope was great, but I always grew up thinking that was such a crappy, boring movie. So I never gave Star Wars a chance.
Starting point is 00:02:58 Yeah, if you like the original Star Wars, which later became known as a New Hope, right? I think you'll be happy with the entire original trilogy. But, you know, it's, there are opinions vary from there, how good the rest of them are, both the prequel and then the sequel trilogies. So, you know, I think, I think the disparity between the three trilogies. is less than some people make it out to be, but I also don't think the best of them is, is, you know, awe-inspiring necessarily either.
Starting point is 00:03:38 I'm sure it was at the time when it came out. I mean, I feel like the Star Wars franchise, like the biggest thing it did is kind of change the way movies are paced. And because I go watch anything pre-Star Wars, which, you know, the original Star Wars is older than I am. So all of these movies, anything that came out before it, obviously older than, the 9-a-am, too.
Starting point is 00:03:59 So I go back and watch them and, like, man, some of them just move so slow. Even if there's good stuff in there, I don't have the patience to get to it. I'm not as far behind as Adam, admittedly. I don't really remember the original movie, so I got to go back and watch those. But I think I've seen up to seven,
Starting point is 00:04:19 so I need to watch, like, the eighth and a ninth movie. I haven't watched a Mandalorian, so I don't know. I've got some catching up to do. But for everyone out there, who is a big Star Wars fan, May the fourth be with you. And may the sports be with you if you're a big baseball's fan. Today on the show we're going to talk about how if there's no MLB minor league season, minor league baseball season,
Starting point is 00:04:39 how does that affect fantasy baseball for this year? And it's obviously very relevant because dynasty drafts are still taking place right now. Dynasty transactions, I assume, are still being made right now. So we're going to review a startup Dynasty roto mock draft that we did last Thursday a couple of weeks ago, maybe almost a month ago now. We did a startup dynasty head-to-head points league, and last week we did a Roto one. So we're going to talk about some of the results from that and how this may affect fantasy baseball if there's no minor league baseball season. And that's where I'd like to start, Scott. I know that you've answered
Starting point is 00:05:16 a few questions in some of the mailbag columns that you've done for cbsports.com, but it's not looking good. I mean, there's no definitive answer yet, but we saw a few reports last week that there might not be a minor league baseball season. How might that affect the timeline of specific players? I know it's going to change based on like team context, but how are you handling the situation right now, Scott? First of all, I'm going to go ahead and say, I don't see how there's any way.
Starting point is 00:05:46 There's a minor league season. As many hoops as they're going to have to jump through to get a major league season off the ground and as much as they're going to have to change and we've talked about some of the possibilities there. Minor League Baseball being far more expansive and far less lucrative. I just don't see how they're going to be able to pull that off.
Starting point is 00:06:06 So I think one idea that's been bandied about that makes sense is kind of a taxi squad situation where, A, you give your best prospects a chance to continue their development. It wouldn't be so much divided by levels, but just a group of your best prospects tagging along with the big league club. If it's at spring training sites, it would make more sense, because obviously there's backfields they can play on. If not, then they're going to have to get more creative.
Starting point is 00:06:35 But I think it's going to be necessary to have some kind of taxi squad just so that you can have players to promote when somebody inevitably gets injured or is just too bad to keep on the roster. I understand rosters are expanded, and so that can help teams play a man or two down. But even if they're as big as 30, there's going to come a point in the season for several teams probably where they're missing more than five guys,
Starting point is 00:07:03 four or five guys at a time, and they're going to need a pool of players to draw from. Those players are going to have to have been playing in some capacity in order to be of any use to them. So I think that makes the most sense. And it's also why I'm not really, on board with this idea that every team is going to want their top prospects, all of their top prospects on the major league roster, on the expanded major league roster.
Starting point is 00:07:29 I don't think that's necessarily how they're going to use those four extra roster spots. In some cases, it will be, but I think it'll have to be clear to the team that that player is ready to contribute doesn't need any more development time so that there. they're not, you know, they're not wasting a bunch of service time and they're not wasting a roster spot that they're very likely going to then have to replace with somebody else on the taxi squad who may even be less close to being Major League Ready than the player they had on there originally. So, you know, I, somebody like Nate Pearson of the Blue Jays, who was making a lot of noise this spring, probably the most buzzed about player in all of spring training.
Starting point is 00:08:16 And the main concern was, well, he'll go down to save some service time and to, to, control his innings better. Well, in a shorter season, you don't worry so much about the innings. I think the way surface time is supposed to work in a shortened season, that wouldn't be so much of concern. It's either you get a year or you don't. I think. I'm not totally positive about that. But yeah, I think Nate Pearson would probably be in Dylan Carlson of the Cardinals, since they'll have an extra lineup spot to work with, makes sense. I actually went through every team, all 30 teams, and pointed out the player who I expected to begin in the minors, who might be of most interest and actually likely to be on an expanded roster.
Starting point is 00:08:56 And I only came up with like, only like five of them are top prospects. The others are more like organizational depth guys with maybe some interesting upside, like a Kevin Crone type, you know, or Thai, Thai France of the Padres. Players like that, I think make more sense than top prospects for most teams. it's fair to say that it won't really be handled all of that differently, right? Because, you know, something that Chris brought up last week when we were doing the live podcast stream was we had a question about Nate Pearson and he said, you know, he thinks that Pearson would make it to the bigs this year, even in a short and season with the Blue Jays, because he can help them compete. I mean, that's how teams normally handle prospects is if they can help them win and they're close to competing, then why wouldn't? they call said player up. I remember last year, like Ryan Mountcastle was ready, and I was
Starting point is 00:09:53 stashing him everywhere, but the Orioles never called him up because they're not close to competing. So that's, that would likely be the same situation in a shorter season, right? Like, if anyone's asking about like Jared Kalenik, like, why would the Mariners try and start his clock now? It just doesn't make sense, right? Well, yeah, somebody like Kalenik, who's barely played it even double A. Mount Castle was actually who I picked for the Orioles. I don't see how they could hold them back anymore, especially since it would likely mean holding him back for the whole season. I mean, he was MVP of the International League last year. He was fighting for a job this spring. He looks like he'd be in. But yeah, somebody who's a step away still hasn't totally proven
Starting point is 00:10:34 himself at every level of the minor leagues and isn't playing for an organization with any ambitions for 2020. So like Kalenik, you mentioned. But I would even say McKenzie Gore. That seems like a stretch to think he's going to go from barely playing at double A to a member of the Padres rotation, knowing the risks that would come with progressing him that quickly. I think he'd more likely be a taxi squad guy, and maybe we end up seeing him down the line if the Padres are in contention, but I don't see it from the very get-go. We keep hearing that word taxi squad, just so we know that that just means like practice team. It's kind of like a scout team, but those players are on your roster, right? Like you can call those players up. That's, that's
Starting point is 00:11:16 we're approaching taxi squad? Yeah. Taxi, I assume the term comes from, they're traveling with you. They're taxing with you, right? Someone asked me over the weekend, I'm like, honestly, I've never been asked what a taxi squad is,
Starting point is 00:11:33 and that's just what I'm assuming it is. It's like a practice scout team of players that you can call up from your roster. So there you go. That's how no minor league season might affect 2020. I mean, we're still, waiting the details of, you know, if we're going to have a season, what the season is going to look like. But I remain optimistic.
Starting point is 00:11:52 What if there's also the, okay, prospect starts the year with the team he's playing. He struggles. What do you do? We can't just send him down like Kestan Hira, right? Kestan Hira, actually his numbers before he got sent back down weren't that bad. But that's because he hit three home runs in four days, like right before getting sent down. But he was, he was pretty useless. And I wasted a lot of fad.
Starting point is 00:12:12 We were talking about fab last week. I wasted a lot of fab on Kestin Hira. he didn't do much for the first like two to three weeks when he was up um he got hot for a few games got sent down for a month it came back up and it was really good i dropped him so that was bad fat but i don't know what happens and that's it's like do they just keep him up well if there if there is this is why i think there'll have to be a taxi squad is because you need to be able to make those transactions uh and what also why i don't think teams are going to make a leap for a player who's still a couple of weeks away because then what do you do if he struggles?
Starting point is 00:12:49 Right. Is anybody on your taxi squad going to be more ready than he is? Right. Without that fallback option of going back down, getting your confidence back up, I'm concerned that the teams won't want to take a risk with a player if they don't think he's ready. Because I do think that they would worry about a hitter's confidence, not having to be able to throw him back down to a league where he could dominate. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:13:12 Go beat up on AAA pitching. If they might not want to rush these guys, that's how I see it. Yeah, I think it would be bad for some of those lower level players who have dominated, right? So you wouldn't see something like a, you know, for example, last year, Nico Horner got called up from AA because the Cubs were just desperate and they had nobody else. Like, I don't know that you would see something like that happened in a shortened season just because, A, is he even going to be on the taxi squad And B, why would they, you know, push someone like that
Starting point is 00:13:46 Who is still at a lower level? So it's kind of a combination of what both of you guys have brought up here But I think, again, they're not going to be aggressive A, if they're not ambitious for the season And B, if those guys are not close to being ready. So that's currently how I'm handling it When it comes to, you know, potentially no minor league baseball season Which, as of now, it's not looking very good.
Starting point is 00:14:08 Some news and notes from over the weekend Emmanuel Class A suspended 80 games for PEDs. He was the prize possession in the Corey Kluber trade, which sent Kluber to the Rangers and Emmanuel Class A to the Cleveland Indians. Last year, Class A had 12 saves in 14 attempts in the minor leagues, and it's kind of regarded or I think viewed as the closer of the future for the Cleveland Indians, although I like James Corrinczak as well. So we'll see what happens there, but he's suspended for 80 games,
Starting point is 00:14:38 regardless of what happens with the season. ESPN will broadcast one KBO game per day. A lot of people have been asking questions about the KBO. The opening day is technically 1 a.m. Eastern time on Tuesday morning. So we'll dabble here and there. We'll talk about a little bit of what's going on there. But obviously it just depends on the demand of the KBO. Have either of you guys claimed a KBO team, by the way?
Starting point is 00:15:03 No. NC Dinos for life. Come on, guys. I mean, I haven't looked in. do it yet. We'll see. I like the... Wait, how do you pronounce it?
Starting point is 00:15:16 I've always pronounced it Wyvern. Like when I played, like, role-playing video games, you know? I know you're talking about. There's like those big, like that type things, right? Is it Wivern? Wyvern? Wivern?
Starting point is 00:15:28 I thought it was Wivern. Wivern? The S.K. Wiverns? Is that where you're leaning? That sounds like a smarter way, but, you know. It's probably first introduced to the term of a 10-year-old. The team is like a Samsung Lions. I think every team but one or two is sponsored.
Starting point is 00:15:45 I'm going to go with the Little Giants. Ooh. Google's saying Wyvern. Of course, it's the Lot Giants or the L-O-T-E Giants, but it looks like Little Giants. I'm going to take them. All right, all right. The Lot Giants.
Starting point is 00:15:59 Is there anyone on there that we might recognize? Scrolling through roster. Every team has like three or so former major leaguers on it, and the Giants has, Adrian Sampson. There you go. Dan Strayley. Dan Strelie.
Starting point is 00:16:14 All right. I'm in. Might be the most famous player in the entire KBO. You pointed out Aaron Altair the other day, Frank, he plays for the...
Starting point is 00:16:25 NC Dinos. Oh, NC Dinos. That's my squad. Okay, yeah. Let's go, Aaron Altair. Dan Strelie famously was traded for Luis Castillo when he was a prospect at that time.
Starting point is 00:16:36 Odrysamer Despanié's on the KT. Whiz. So there. I'm looking at a roster for my team, the little giants. There's like 50 people listed here. There are a lot of names.
Starting point is 00:16:49 I don't know how the rosters work or the roster transactions in the KBO. 50 players on this roster. 50 players, wow. It's an expanded one. But if you need some baseball, there you go. The KBO will be broadcast one game per day on ESPN. Giants, giants, giants.
Starting point is 00:17:07 Let's go Dinos, baby. And according to, Mike Petraglia, who's a Boston columnist. Alex Verdugo, this was interesting. I saw this right before we started. Alex Verdugo will hold a conference call with the media this afternoon. So not sure what that's about, but I'll throw it out there. I know that he has been rehabbing his back injury.
Starting point is 00:17:26 I guess the penalties came down for the Red Sox. I don't know why he would talk about that. He wasn't involved in it, but we'll see what it's about, what it might be regarding. All right, before we get into the Dynasty Roto startup, mock draft that we did. That's a mouthful. I do want to remind everyone that UFC 249 is this Saturday, May 9th, and to make sure to check out the State of Combat with Brian Campbell podcast. First up, you have the story time with Rashad Evans, part two bursting on the scene. This is a
Starting point is 00:17:58 second installment of a spinoff podcast where the guys go back and revisit Rashad's fighting career, including never-before-heard stories from Rashad about his first four fights. following the Ultimate Fighter. Make sure you check out the Spotify playlist called Storytime with Rashad Evans which will be all the story time episodes
Starting point is 00:18:20 download and subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify Stitcher and wherever else podcast can be found. And I also want to let people know send your five-star Apple podcast review and we did deep dives on major league players. Send us prospects now.
Starting point is 00:18:37 Just if you want us to talk about a specific prospect, We'll deep dive that player, maybe give you an ETA, what we expect, you know, what they've done in the minor league so far. But send us your five-star Apple podcast review and a prospect you want us to talk about. And we'll start doing that here on the show as well. All right, startup dynasty roto mock draft that we did last week. Scott, does your strategy change at all between the head-to-head points dynasty mock draft that we did a couple of weeks ago versus this one? Or is it just the normal differences that you'd see
Starting point is 00:19:12 in a head-to-head points draft versus roto? Or is it just you completely change your strategy in a Rhodo dynasty versus a head-to-head points dynasty? I think it's mostly the differences that you come to expect from those formats anyway. One of the big things I've noticed about this, and we've done this a few times now for the startup dynasty mock.
Starting point is 00:19:41 And what makes it so interesting is like how often does anybody ever do a dynasty start a draft, right? You do it the one time you start the league and then you never have to do it in that league again. So how do you get practice at this? So we're becoming a little more practiced at this now. And one thing I've noticed in both formats, but especially this one, is that because, because, prospects are being inserted. The biggest prospects are going earlier in the draft and they tend to be prospect hitters. And then there's already this kind of fear of investing long term and starting pitchers. It's easier to get the starting pitchers I want at the start of the year to be competitive,
Starting point is 00:20:28 the four out of my top 35 that I continually cite. I don't have to invest in them as hard in a dynasty startup. And I think I actually ended up with five or six in this one, even though I didn't take my first until round four, I don't think, or was it round three. Gioledo, I took in round four. In round four. That was the first one I took, and I ended up with six of my top 35, I believe. And, you know, I still ended up, I think, with a really good prospect hall. Now, it's worth noting that for this process, there weren't, you know, everybody's being kept on equal terms.
Starting point is 00:21:10 There aren't specific minor league spots where players are being discounted as keepers or anything like that. Everybody just drafts a 30-man roster and keeps as many players as they want. So that would influence how aggressively teams go after prospects. But, you know, something to keep in mind if you're in such a format, if it is only 12 or so teams deep, there are a lot of prospects to go around. And so you can still get some really high-end ones without being the guy who reaches for one in round two, a three, four. You know, there's, there's a lot of them out there.
Starting point is 00:21:46 And again, this was a roto mock draft. So two catchers, you have a corner infielder, middle infielder, five outfielders, one utility, and nine pitcher spots, which you can use however you'd like. You can go six starting pitchers, three closers, seven and two, five and four, whatever, however you want to set that up. That's completely up to you. I do want to get into some of the results here. And Adam, you had the eighth pick.
Starting point is 00:22:10 You took Alex Bregman. One pick before you took Bregman, Fernando Tatez Jr. went off the board. Would you have taken Fernando Tatees over Alex Bregman if he were available at 8? I would have taken Bregman, but I was thinking to myself like, gosh, I wonder if I can get Tatees in round two.
Starting point is 00:22:26 That would be so great. And he actually went before my pick. So I think I would have probably taken Tatees. He may be my next favorite player. You know, if Bregman had been off the board, and Bregman is, what, 27? 26. 26.
Starting point is 00:22:41 So he's awesome. He's pretty much a sure thing. If he had been off the board, I would have considered Fernando Tatis. No, I would have taken Breckman, though. The rest of the first round looked like this. Pretty standard, the first half. Ronald O'Cunia, Mike Trout, Christian Yellich,
Starting point is 00:22:56 Juan Soto at 4, Cody Bellinger, and then Garrett Cole at 6. A little bit early for Garrett Cole. I don't like that pick. Well, I don't think in a standard roto league, a dynasty league knowing that pitchers tend to be discounted and that this one is 29 already, yeah, I would take a slightly younger stud hitter that I felt confident would be a centerpiece for my team for a long period of time. Yeah, but I will say, I was trying to apply the lessons
Starting point is 00:23:29 that we may have learned when we did the old versus young teams last Tuesday. And Scott and I had to pick players that were 32 or older, and Chris and Frank had to pick players that were, what, 24 and younger? Yes. And our pitching was amazing. So we had Scherzer and Verlander and DeGrom and Granky and Morton and Darvish and whatever. Like our pitching was better than your pitching. So I think you might look at a guy like Garrett Cole,
Starting point is 00:23:58 who's basically had two workhorse seasons of greatness in a row, and maybe he's a guy that's going to be able to do it until he's 35. maybe he's that Scherzer, that Verlander type player. And those workhorse pitchers, some of them tend to age pretty well. So maybe that's not a bad pick. I'm not sure that's the right lesson to take away. Maybe it is. Maybe it's going to continue that way where older pitchers just tend to be the biggest workhors in the league
Starting point is 00:24:30 because they're not developing anymore. You're not sure how much gas they have left anyway, so you're just going to run them as hard. as they need to be run at that stage of their career. But I think it's more the old guys, the old starting pitchers now are carryovers from a former time where every starting pitcher was worked that hard. And now they're just grandfathered in already. But how is Garik-Col any different?
Starting point is 00:24:56 Well, because since he's already built up to a point where he goes that deep into games, that's fair. Yeah, it seems like he's built that, like he has that workhorse build where he can go deep into games. It's hard to say anyone's going to consistently give you over 200 in today's pitching climate. But if there was one person who was going to do that, I think most people would guess Garrett Cole.
Starting point is 00:25:16 And the other thought I have was like, well, maybe I'll take the opposite approach and say, God, if I get right with Walker Bueller, maybe I've got 10 to 12 years with, you know, probably some up-down years in there. But maybe he's the next Kershaw or something like that. Maybe we're talking double the time as Cole. But I wouldn't have taken Cole there, but I think I could make a case for it
Starting point is 00:25:37 and I thought the way our young versus old teams shook out with the pitching being so much better on our teams, on the old team and like the middle infielders in particular being so much worse and we see the way that the Robinson Canoe's age. Like Scott and I had to pick a second baseman in a shortstop that was 32 or older and the best ones we had were Canoe and Brandon Crawford. So that was in the back of my mind too. And then of course I took Breggman.
Starting point is 00:26:04 but he can move around and, you know. But I don't know, that did occur to me that those older pitchers, they age well, and those middle infielders really don't. So it's something to keep in mind, but I still would have taken Bregman and Tatee, who's super young over a cold. The second half of the first round mentioned Tatease went seventh pick. Adam took Alex Bregman. Scott took Mookie Betts at nine.
Starting point is 00:26:25 I took Francisco Lindor at 10. Then Trey Turner and Trevor Story went off the board to round out the first round. The second round, Can I ask you guys how you feel about Turner, though? Because you got to be careful. And we saw it with VR. He went in the eighth round, and Marte went in the sixth round.
Starting point is 00:26:44 When you're talking about Roto, obviously you're drafting for steals. But that's something that could deteriorate with age. Or maybe these guys just become like steel specialists, you know, like a Rajay Davis or something. But, I mean, I don't think Turner is necessarily that old. But do you concern, yourself because he's 26.
Starting point is 00:27:04 To concern yourself that in two years, he's like a 15 steel guy. You know what I'm saying? Like, what do you think about Turner in a Dynasty League, 11th overall, given speed might decline? The thought crossed my mind. I was glad I wasn't the one who really faced that choice in the first round, because you know, in a redraft league, I have Turner going six. He's my number six guy, because I'm that concerned with filling those steals early.
Starting point is 00:27:29 I do think, let's see, 26. he's going to be 27 at the end of June. I think that's still young enough that you can feel pretty confident in him continuing to be a standout in that category for the next three or four years. And so I'm not going to shy away from him because of that. But I do think he gets downgraded versus somebody whose skills feel more bankable for the long haul. like if you're doing the Alex Breggman versus Trey Turner compares, and as you did at him, you went with Bregman,
Starting point is 00:28:04 even though in a redraft league I would go Turner in five-by-five scoring. I probably would lead Bregman in this format as well, in the dynasty format. Yeah, if you want to talk about a player who loses value in Dynasty versus redraft, especially in Roto, I think Trey Turner is one of those players. And I considered the same things that Scott did. I mean, I'm happy Lindor was there for me at 10. I would have taken Trevor Story ahead of Trey Turner as well.
Starting point is 00:28:30 I mean, there's still a chance that Trevor Story loses some stolen bases the next couple of years. But I think his power is a little bit more bankable. And hopefully he stays in Corse Field and in Colorado. So his numbers continue to be boosted there. But I probably would have also considered Walker Bueller ahead of Trey Turner. I know that typically we downgrade pitching a little bit, but that's just where I would be in. Well, would you have taken Devers over him? Because I was like, oh, he's probably going to take Devers in the first round.
Starting point is 00:28:55 and then bam, Frank gets him in the second round. Man, it would be a tough call, but I think I would still take Trey Turner over Devers. I mean, Scott's right. I think for the next at least three years, and everyone's different with how they value Dynasty. They want to look at it from a five-year window, a 10-year window, but I think three to five years is kind of like that sweet spot.
Starting point is 00:29:16 And I think at least for the next three or four years, Trey Turner will be a 30-plus steel contributor. I still don't think that we've seen the best from Trey Turner. I think that we could still get one of those 25 Homer or 40 seal seasons out of him. I don't think that's crazy. Okay. The second round, Walker Bueller, Jack Flerty,
Starting point is 00:29:36 I took Raphael Devers, Scott took Jose Ramirez, Adam took Glaber Torres. Yeah, I was, Jose Ramirez. Homer. Would have felt a lot better. I think Adam wound up with like six or seven Yankees on this team, by the way.
Starting point is 00:29:51 Not enough. Not enough Yankees. Scott, I wanted to ask you, if Devers was there, would you have taken Rafael Devers over Jose Ramirez? I'm not sure. I wasn't in the moment I wasn't really, it wasn't one of those situations where I was looking for a certain player to fall to me. And then I was like, oh, Frank sniped me by taking Devers. It was just, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:30:13 I didn't think about who I was taking until the moment I was on the clock. And I was happy to see Ramirez there to get those steals from a player who's still in his 20s. I believe he's 27 now. Ramirez so you know it's not like ages working against him at this point and I was I was just happy to get a steel source who was expected to be a big time contributor in other categories as well and pairing him and mooky bets with my first two picks first of all that's nothing you'd ever see in a redraft league it's very unlikely anyway that I don't know about that's and Jose Ramirez I think you could take that's fifth or sixth than Ramirez in the second round. It's possible, I guess, but you don't see it
Starting point is 00:30:58 very often. And I think it's a very good start for that ever so elusive category from two players who I don't think deserve to fall because it's a dynasty format. They're both 27 and should have a lot of good years left. So, yeah, I'm really happy with that start. I was happy with the way my team turned out all around. Oh, we know. Oh, yeah. Scott. Scott doesn't use. chatting away in the middle of a draft, but he couldn't resist. He was like, I love my team. I do.
Starting point is 00:31:30 I wish I could pull the chat up. I still do. Maybe I can't. It's, it's, it's, for all, of all the roto teams I drafted, it feels like the one that is most well stocked with high end pitching and well stocked with stolen bases, the two scarces commodities.
Starting point is 00:31:46 And yet, I don't feel like I had to sell out my future to do it. So yeah, I'm very happy with the way it turned out. Scott said, I know nobody needs things. hear this comma, but dot, dot, dot, I'm really loving my team. And I had the next comment and I said, let's tear it apart. Yeah, basically reminding everyone that it's child's play. No, and then I wrote, geez, do you have enough starting pitchers whose last name begins with G Scott? He said, I noticed that too. He must have a lot of those. We'll find out.
Starting point is 00:32:16 So I took Raphael Devers over Jose Ramirez. And typically I tend to lean with players who are in their low to mid-20s, who are contributors now but can also continue to get better. So that's why I went with Devers over Jose Ramirez. And to me, Ramirez is not the same type of player as Trey Turner, where I could see his stolen bases potentially falling off sooner. Oh, I completely agree. Than Trey Turner's.
Starting point is 00:32:42 So, I mean, by, you know, a year or two from now, is he a, 280 hitter with 25 home runs and 10 steals, it's still a fine player, but it's nowhere near the player that you're getting now in the second round. He can help, I think, for the next year, too, but I do worry about the steals with someone like Jose Ramirez more than I do with Trey Turner. The gentleman who took Garrett Cole in the first round with the six pick took Jacob de Grom in the second round. So if we think Garrett Cole is a little bit early, yeah, I actually don't think this is bad value for Jacob de Grom, but would you guys ever start Cole and de Grom in a dynasty league?
Starting point is 00:33:19 No way. Yeah, I don't think I could do it either. I don't think so. I don't think so. Just too many... You're definitely playing a shorter game by doing that. And I don't think... Well, of course, hindsight's 2020 in the way this draft played out.
Starting point is 00:33:36 I don't think justifies him doing this, seeing some of the pitching bargains that came up later. But I... There is usually somebody in... at the start of the Dynasty League, who just completely sells out for right now. And I'd be curious to see if this is also the guy who got, like, Justin Verlander.
Starting point is 00:33:56 Yes, he did. I was planning on taking Verlander. I took Scherzer in round six. He took Verlander in round seven. Yeah. Pretty good pitching staff. At least for the first or second year in this league. And it's not like, look, his third pick is Ozzy Albies.
Starting point is 00:34:13 So it's not like he was just... always taking the old guy. And it didn't pay to take the old guy because a lot of old guys fell to to a great value. I mean, Justin Verlander, you can't knock a guy for taking Justin Verlander
Starting point is 00:34:27 at a dynasty startup when it's in round seven. You know, which is where he took him. Yeah, so he goes, he goes, Cole, this is Garrett. He goes Cole de Grom. And then his next three picks
Starting point is 00:34:37 are like young, young infielder's, Ozzie Albiz, Catele, Marte, Javier Baez. And then he took Starling, Marte in round six and Marte is usually like a round three maybe around four pick in a dynasty league but he's 31 so it's not bad it's not yeah but you just got to wonder what his pitching staff is going like in two years yeah it's a little he gets Cory Kluber later Yasmani Grundal it's it's older than his ideal I think but he definitely has strong pitching to start out the year and it's not like he
Starting point is 00:35:12 I wouldn't say he reached for it. What position to change the subject, sorry? Jordan Alvarez, going forward, because he went in between Mike Labor Torres and Garrett's Jacob de Grompec, right in the middle of round two. Is he going to be just a DA? Is he just going to be David Ortiz,
Starting point is 00:35:32 or are they going to give him a position? That is a very important question to ask when you are drafting Jordan Alvarez in a Dynasty League. I'm not confident he's going to have a position. It seems like outfield is where they're more willing to play him than first base right now. He got some exposure to first base in the minors, but he apparently was just so bad that they don't want to do it. And if that's the case at first base,
Starting point is 00:35:58 that's supposed to be where you stick the bad defender in the majors, right? Yeah. How bad is he? And this is when he's in his early 20s and presumably at his most athletic. So, yeah, I think he's probably. probably destined for D.H. long term. But I could be wrong. I don't know. Frank, I'm sorry for derailing your show. No, no, it's perfectly fine. I know. It's a fair question. And Yulee Guriel, current first basement for the Astros, is coming up on 36 years old.
Starting point is 00:36:27 So I guess if there was a position Yerdon Alvarez was going to play, it's probably first base. But I lean with Scott here. I think that given what we know about his knees already, I mean, the guy has bad knees. He's like 22 years old, cannot play in the outfield. Yeah, there's some worry there. So I don't know that he's going to be able to play the field. You know, maybe in season he'll gain outfield eligibility a few years because he'll get like those five games here and there, five starts. But he's not going to play 20 games in the outfield to have it for the following year as well.
Starting point is 00:36:59 So there'll be years where I think he gains the outfield eligibility or maybe gains for his base eligibility. But I think for the most part, they want to play him at DH, which is just such a weird thing. You just, you barely ever see that from a 22-year-old kid, so it's just crazy to see. Wander Franco went with the 21st pick in this draft. That's like a normal range for him to go in a dynasty startup, right, Scott? Well, I mean, everyone we do, we do with B-Don from Rassball, and B-Don's always the one who takes him in round too.
Starting point is 00:37:28 That's true. So, B-Don has certainly determined that that's where Wander-Franco needs to go in a dynasty startup. and, you know, if we were to do one, and I saw Wander Franco there in round three, I don't know if B. Don's just calibrated me to think that's great value, but I probably would take him at that point, yeah. This is completely random, but I'm actually in a startup dynasty draft right now. It's a slow draft, and Wander Franco went with pick 42.
Starting point is 00:37:58 It's a 5x5 roto with OBP. So he goes towards the end of the third round. It's a 15-team league. But see, like I have actual dynasty rankings. And you know what? I don't think I'd take Wanderfranco in round three. Because I actually got Kestan Hura in round three, who himself is 23 years old. Already has half a season where he showed he could be a high-end performer in the majors.
Starting point is 00:38:25 I mean, last year between the majors and minors, it was close to 40 homers, close to 20 steals. Second base eligibility. obviously youth is in his favor. I'd go with Kestan Hero over Wander Franco, given the setup of this Dynasty League, if it was keeping Wander Franco for cheaper than Kest and Hero, it'd be different. But that's not the way this one's set up.
Starting point is 00:38:50 Everyone's kept on equal terms. I'd rather have the semi-proven guy who's already contributing and shows an enormous ceiling himself. And you snipe me, Scott. You can't say it. wanted Kessonhira. I just took him in that startup dynasty league that I just mentioned. I took him in the third round of a 15 team league. But I did want him in this one and you took him one pick before
Starting point is 00:39:13 me. I did want to just ask your guy's opinion. Joe Adele, you know, once you see Wanderfranco go off the board in the late second round, Joe Adele is the first pick of the third round. So you start to see a little bit of a prospect run here in this startup dynasty mock draft. But the problem I have with the pick is that everyone's different. It's subjective with prospects. What should he, I mean, is there really a case that you could make for Joe Adele going ahead of Luis Robert in a rotel league? Because he went two picks ahead of Luis Robert. I think you'll definitely find traditional prospect rankings with Adel ahead of Robert. I don't know off the top of my head which ones and where, but I know they're out there.
Starting point is 00:39:53 But fantasy context, particularly five by five contexts. I kind of feel like Adele is hoping to have. the kind of breakthrough in the miners this year that Robert had last year. Like it's similar skill sets and he just needs more production. And we're kind of hoping he takes that Robert turn. So why not just take the guy who he's trying to emulate there? That's kind of how I see it. I'd definitely take Robert over Adele.
Starting point is 00:40:24 But there is probably an argument that exists for Adele over Robert. I'm just not the one to give it. Is it too simple to go with the guy who's in the better home ballpark? It's a pretty big difference, Chicago to Los Angeles. It's fair. I mean, it comes down to how you value like ETA. Like, Adele's probably going to be up at some point this year, but it seemed like Robert was going to be in the majors who start the season.
Starting point is 00:40:52 We all knew that he has the contract extension. So you don't have any worry about that. I just think in terms of, yes, Adele's very athletic, but I mean, we've already seen the big steals production out of Robert. It just didn't really make much sense to me. I don't know that Adele should go two picks ahead of Luis Robert in a five-by-five roto dynasty startup. So I just wanted to bring that to you guys attention.
Starting point is 00:41:16 I don't think they should go ahead of Vlad either. No. Yeah. And Vlad went with the fifth pick of the third round. That's, I mean, that's the thing that I, I guess is one of my biggest takeaways from this. And we've talked about it before. Prospects just seem to be what people want in Dynasty leagues.
Starting point is 00:41:38 They're just excited to be able to draft them. And I feel like a lot of times it doesn't make sense to take a prospect over even a semi-established guy like Hira, like Guerrero. I mean, at this time a year ago, Guerrero probably would have gone in round two, you know? And here he is going in round three because his half season in the majors was a little disappointing. But he's still early 20s and still has as much upside as he always did. It's just now we know he's not going to completely stink in the majors. He has a job that he should be pretty secure in. If anything, it feels like it should go up.
Starting point is 00:42:14 But just because he doesn't have that rookie eligibility anymore, it seems like he's dinged for that. And I just want to stress, in some dynasty leagues, it would make sense. because some are set up so that minor leaguers are kept for cheaper than major leaguers, but that's not the way we set this one up. I want to skip forward a little bit to the fourth round, and I took Chris Paddock with the third pick of the fourth round. He was my first starting pitcher that I took. I started my draft with Francisco Lindor, Rafael Devers,
Starting point is 00:42:43 and then Eloy Jimenez at the end of the third round. And I took Chris Paddock ahead of Gialito. Scott, were you considering Paddock by any chance, Or were you just excited to see Lucas Gialito still available there in the fourth round? No, I was considering Paddock. I had Lucas Gialito ranked ahead of him, obviously in redraft leagues I do, but also in my dynasty top 150, I had Gialito ahead of Paddock, not by as much. But I was considering taking Paddock just because I felt like past dynasty startups
Starting point is 00:43:15 have shown me that enthusiasm is higher for Paddock than Gialito, and maybe that was my better way of getting both of them. you kind of saved me from what probably would have been a bad choice because I doubt I would have gotten both Paddock and then Gioledo back in round five. So, but yeah, it was between those two for me. I definitely wanted to take a picture at that point, four rounds in, not having a starting pitcher yet that definitely gives me anxiety, heading into, given the environment we're playing in right now.
Starting point is 00:43:48 So Gialito being a 25-year-old, I mean, you know, know, this is just for what I expect for him from 2020, it seems like good value. And then hopefully he has a good long future of high-end production ahead of him. Yeah, the reason I ask is because I was actually debating those two exact guys. And I went with Paddock. I guess he's one year younger than Gialito. The fact that he does have better command is something that factored in there. But it's definitely close. It's definitely close between Paddock and Gialito. And we hear often that, you know, starting pitching goes later in a Dynasty League versus in a redraft league. And I looked this up. We did a roto mock draft, a regular roto redraft mock draft recently.
Starting point is 00:44:36 And eight starting pitchers were drafted through three rounds in this draft, in a dynasty one. 11 starting pitchers were drafted through three rounds in the redraft. But through four rounds, it was 13 for dynasty and 13 for redraft. So while I think that can be true in the early rounds of these drafts, I think by the time you get like the fourth, fifth round, you have like the same number of starting pitchers off the board in redraft versus dynasty, if that makes sense. I feel like it's more so just for the early round picks, Scott.
Starting point is 00:45:10 I don't think that's true because I think the ones who haven't gone yet, yeah, maybe they cut, they had happened to catch up here in round four, but the ones who still haven't gone are the many old guys who pop up. populate the top of the starting pitcher rankings. So, like, my, so my first pick here was GioLito in round four. My second I didn't take until round six, but it was Patrick Corbin. Who's not even that old. He's 30.
Starting point is 00:45:36 And then, you know, we talked about Justin Verlander going in round seven. Max Scherzer in round six. And it gets really delayed after that. Sunny Gray, I got in round nine. Right. Right, there are some young guys going in here, like sprinkled throughout, Jesus Lazzardo, Michael Copac,
Starting point is 00:45:57 Julio O'Reas, Frankie Mowentas, Zach Gallin, a lot more of those guys. Trevor Bauer went in run seven. That's true. I haven't done like an assessment of anybody with the starting, anyone who happens to be eligible at starting pitcher
Starting point is 00:46:12 whether or not they're established as an A's or still a prospect or whatever. Maybe it is distributed a little more evenly, but the starting pitchers, those few dozen starting pitchers who I actually trust right now to be an asset, to be a positive contributor
Starting point is 00:46:28 to a fantasy team, they were spread out much more throughout the draft, which is how I ended up with six of the 35. And for me, Frank, it's like, I need to build the core of my roster around young hitter.
Starting point is 00:46:41 And a young pitcher would have to really fall into my lap. My pitching, you know, I changed my strategy midway through the draft. It was just, I just felt the veterans were not getting enough love, and I was just like, you know what, screw this.
Starting point is 00:46:53 I'm going to win this year. So, you know, I ended up with Max Scherzer, Zach Ranky, James Paxton, and then I tried to get a little bit younger after that. But I just kind of felt like I'm going to have among the best pitching. And I have good young hitters, but my first five picks were hitters. Freeman was the only one that's not young. And then I pivoted and I said, okay, I just felt I just felt like people were like pretty heavy. on prospects, unproven guys, and now these veteran pitchers are falling. So I decided to take some old pitchers win this year.
Starting point is 00:47:28 And then I have Ian Anderson, Davy Garcia, Matthew Libertore, Grayson Rodriguez, Domingo Armand, all on my bench. I've got some prospects. Hopefully two of them will work out. But I just, when it comes to drafting pitchers, I cannot pass up young hitter. who I know are good, who are, you know, in 24-ish or whatever, I can't pass up building my team around those guys and at least having a few of them before I start looking at pitchers.
Starting point is 00:48:02 So that was my approach to it. That's a really good point, because for how much my philosophy has changed hitting versus pitching in a redraft league, I don't think it really has when you're talking about prospect evaluation or just young up-and-comer, not even necessarily a prospect, how we evaluate their career path.
Starting point is 00:48:24 I think hitters are much more bankable than pitchers when projecting for the long haul, and that's even truer at a time when offense comes so easily. So I want really strong pitching, but it has to be already established pitching, because if it's not, I don't trust that it's ever going to get to that high-end standard
Starting point is 00:48:48 that seems to make all the difference at that position right now. So, yeah, I'm, you know, that's why in a dynasty league like this, I still want to invest early, most heavily in young position players. And I think it's just seeing how it turned out that I could still get those established arms that I value so much just for later, because so many young players pushed them down to a certain point. I think it's kind of like right in my
Starting point is 00:49:23 wheelhouse in terms of how I would like to build a dynasty team and the things I value most today. Let me ask you, how do you feel about my pitching prospects? In addition to having Scherzer Granky and Paxton, I also have
Starting point is 00:49:38 Fultenevich and Luke Weaver and Jose Orkitti. They're starters for me right now. But Ian Anderson... Wait, who? Luke Weaver? Yeah, oh, sorry. Luke Weaver. Ian Anderson for the Braves, David Garcia and Domingo Oremont for the Yankees, Matthew Libertori of the Cardinals, Grayson Rodriguez of the Orioles. I mean, is that a good, I don't know prospects nearly as well as you guys do.
Starting point is 00:49:59 Is that a good roster of prospects? I didn't take one of them. Anderson, I took in like the 18th round out of a 30 round draft. The other ones were all like mid-20s. I mean, these were some of my last picks. Yeah, yeah. So is that a good stable of prospects, do you think? Yeah, I mean, they're good prospects, sure.
Starting point is 00:50:18 Is that a good strategy or did I not take enough high-end pitching prospects? I feel like for as long as I waited, I mean, I feel like I got some pretty good ones in there. And it just didn't make sense to take like Forrest Whitley, who went much earlier, you know, like, these guys kind of fell. No, I don't think, I don't think, well, I guess he technically is. But how upside wise, what is the upside? upside measurement for Forrest Whitley versus somebody like Grayson Rodriguez. I think upside-wise, they probably rate similar.
Starting point is 00:50:58 Whitley's a little further ahead, but of course he also introduced some risk back into his profile with a very disappointing, very disappointing season last year. So, I mean, Grayson Rodriguez is a prospect I've been drafting a lot in these dynasty startups because I just think he gets pushed down
Starting point is 00:51:19 by virtue of being a little further down in the minors, which is totally fair, but it also is kind of getting back to the idea I brought up at the start, where there's just so many prospects out there that some are going to last until late in only a 12-team league. And I think you did fine picking up the ones that you did
Starting point is 00:51:38 for the prices that you picked them up for. I think the fact that it's so many starting pitching prospects, and it leaves you more vulnerable to misses than, somebody who maybe leaned more toward picking up minor league hitters instead. But I don't think it's necessarily wrong. It's just a little riskier. Yeah, I'm not expecting all five of them to hit. But I guess my point is if you want to draft more veteran pitchers than you thought you were going to,
Starting point is 00:52:12 there are enough prospects that you can still have a nice little staple of prospects on your bench. This was a 30-round draft. So, you know, I think the way I did it ended up working out for me, I have a pretty good team. And my first four picks were Alex Bregman, Glaver Torres, Freddie Freeman. My first five picks. Alex Bregman, Glaver Torres, Freddie Freeman, Yoamon Munkata, and one that I really looked at. Victor Robles. Your feedback on, yeah, Victor Robles, which was a really interesting.
Starting point is 00:52:41 Because I really kind of hate him in seasonal leagues. What do you do? I hit harder than Victor Robles. It just, like, he might just be a bad hitter. He makes horrible contact, but he's like 23 with prospect pedigree, and he runs. Yeah, I mean, that's the thing in the steals. So you didn't really have any steals at that point, and maybe if I didn't either. He's 22.
Starting point is 00:53:04 In the Dynasty League especially, I'd bank on that upside of Robles, and at least no, I get some steals there. I was fortunate that I got bets, Jose Ramirez, and Kestinjura with my first three picks. and basically didn't have to worry about steals anymore, though I ended up with a couple of decent base steelers anyway. But yeah, if you didn't have any by the time round five rolled around and Victor Robles was there in a dynasty startup, I think that's definitely one of the first players you look at. But all five picks were hitters.
Starting point is 00:53:33 Freeman's the only one who's older, he's like 31. And that just said to me, all right, like, I've got a good core. I don't have to rely on hitting prospects. Now let's go get some pitchers. Max Scherzer was there in round six. So I just feel like I could win the league this year. Yeah, well, yeah. Your first pitchers were Scher Grinky, Paxton.
Starting point is 00:53:53 That's three of the 35. So you didn't get four like I'd like to have. But then you also have Weavery, have Rikiti, Fultenevich. There's some upside there. If one of those three pitches up to his ceiling, then, you know, you're going to be in good shape with the pitching for this year.
Starting point is 00:54:10 but your team is a little older. Your team is a little older, and you may have to, you may have, you may go through some lean years in the next, beginning in the next couple years because of it. Well, it's a good thing.
Starting point is 00:54:24 I liked your mindset of, I liked your mindset of, you know, if you couldn't get younger pitchers, you waited at that position, you took some vets, and then you kind of shored yourself up with prospects later, because that's exactly what I did at the first base position
Starting point is 00:54:43 because I just kept waiting and waiting and then I wound up with Carlos Santana as my starter, but then I also drafted Ryan Mountcastle and Nate Lowe late. So I tried to cover myself, and I think that that's like a good mindset to have in a startup dynasty draft where, look, if you miss out, it's not the end of the world because you can take a veteran that'll help you
Starting point is 00:55:02 for the immediate future, the next season or two, and then you can also draft a prospect at that position or positions that can hopefully, you know, take the reins from said player. So, I mean, is that something that you would consider doing, Scott? Like, if you just miss out at a certain position? I want to say, let me see if I did that in any position. Outfields, you know, I always go weak in the outfields. And I ended up getting mooky bets in the first round.
Starting point is 00:55:33 And Charlie Blackman, I think, in like round eight or something ridiculous. Because that was just another one of those. veterans who fell forever. But my last three aren't, my last three outfield spots aren't especially strong, but I got Austin Riley late, who, you know, he could be the, he could leave the Braves and home runs this year, and he cost me next to nothing. It's just so many young players like that, Nate Lowe for you, you know, if it's not a true prospect, those kind of post-type sleepers that could end up becoming huge assets for
Starting point is 00:56:06 you for years to come, guys in their early 20s still. Yeah, you did that with Senzel as well. Yeah, yeah, I paid a little more for Senzel. But yeah, that's the same sort of idea. Just young player. If there's no discount to keeping a minor leaguer, you don't need to emphasize minor leaguers over more established players who are also really young
Starting point is 00:56:29 and just happen to have exhausted rookie eligibility. That should be a point in their favor, that they've already done something at the major league level, opposed to being a knock against them. I want to make one more point, Frank. Just the way baseball is going to change, maybe beginning this year with just the circumstances. But every team is going to have a DH soon.
Starting point is 00:56:48 They're going to get rid of the DH in the National League. And that's going to extend careers. This isn't relevant to the National League. But I took J.D. Martinez in the seventh round. He's typically a second round pick. He's 32. It's like he's 36. So I thought that was a good pick.
Starting point is 00:57:05 And I also took Nelson Cruz in like the 14th round. but I could see J.D. Martinez is becoming the next Nelson Cruz and just playing forever as a DH. So these older hitters, I think that a lot of them are going to have sort of a number of them are going to have an extended career because the DH is going to be everywhere. I know that Joel Sherman reported it a lot when the Mets traded for Robinson Kano. They did it thinking we're going to be able to DH him pretty soon. So it's coming.
Starting point is 00:57:30 It's going to help older players. I think it saved David Ortiz's career. It's saved Nelson Cruz's not to take away from who they are, but certainly extended them, kept them healthy. And it just could be another thing to make you say, I don't want to wait too long on these hitters because if you're a great, you have to be obviously a really good hitter. Like J.D. Martinez deserves to be a full-time DH if that's what it comes to
Starting point is 00:57:52 and could extend his career by a few years. No, it's a fair point. And I think, look, when you talk about a player who has like a 900 plus OPS, I mean, last year, Nelson Cruz had a thousand OPS. That definitely makes sense. And something to consider when thinking about National League players. So if you are doing a dynasty startup, keep in mind those fringy National League players. You know, some of the Cincinnati Reds outfielders come to mind, you know, with a DH,
Starting point is 00:58:21 Aquino could have more value there. Senzel, who got drafted here? Castellanos. Did Aquino? Did Aquino get drafted? He did get drafted. Okay. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:58:30 So just keep that in mind when you're doing, if you're doing any dynasty-related, you know, drafts or transactions throughout this time, keep in mind that. at the National League, DH, could be here as soon as this year, but once we have a normal baseball season again, it could be back as soon as, I mean, it could be here as soon as next year. Guys, I'm looking at my team again. I got seven of the top 35 starting pitchers, not even six.
Starting point is 00:58:53 And I didn't, are you punting saves though? I drafted my first in round four, my second in round six. One of them is Zach Gallen, so definitely went the upside route with at least that one pick. And I got seven. Yeah, because you didn't take any closers. I did not take any closers I'm totally fine with it
Starting point is 00:59:09 All right well that's the thing Scott loves his team And then he said he loved his team He had two outfielders and no closers at the time And it's like well that could That could come back to hurt you Those are the positions where I Am happy to be a little weaker though
Starting point is 00:59:24 Because I know there's always going to be New options emerging You know it's so tough though Especially closer I mean jeez Who are you going to drop in In this format we don't have a taxi squad. So when the closer comes out, like, who are you going to drop? Because obviously, you can't drop Tariq Scoobal or Luis Severino, you know? Yeah, I think Edwin and Carnaccio is probably your first
Starting point is 00:59:46 player gone on this roster, but by the way, Luis Severino is not among the seven of the 30s. No, that was such a great pick. But yeah, no, it could end up being a prospect who's just a little further back. I got Marco Luciano, who's, I think was just in rookie league last year, a 17, 18 year old in the Giants who looks like he has enormous upside, but he might just not end up being worth the weight. So don't we need taxi squads? Are they like a requirement? I know they are in football dynasty leagues. I don't know about baseball. I thought about making even deeper than 30 rounds this draft. But the thing about a roto league is you don't really need to make that much use of their bench play. You kind of just end up stashing a ton of guys
Starting point is 01:00:31 anyway. You know, it's going to make for some tough choices, but that's not necessarily the bad thing in setting up a league. And I imagine sometimes I'll have a spot to pick up a guy just because somebody got injured. Luis Severino, putting him on the IL,
Starting point is 01:00:48 opens up a spot right away. And, you know, there will be tough decisions to make, but I know closer saves are a need for me, and it'll be a high priority whenever I'm playing the waiver wire. So I'm not worried about it. We talk about it all the time. Half the guys we expect to be closers now
Starting point is 01:01:04 aren't going to end up leading their teams and saves in all likelihood. So there will be opportunities to fill that need later, and I didn't really invest any draft capital in it at all, which I think is a smart way to go about it in a dynasty start. Frank, let me just get one more guy. I thought the single most interesting pick of the draft. Scott took him.
Starting point is 01:01:25 One pick before I was probably going to take him. Jose Altuve in round eight. It was... It was so weird. It was like Kershaw... I get why he would fall in round eight. Darvish was in round eight. Al-Tube, he's 29.
Starting point is 01:01:44 But I thought that was a pretty... Probably awesome pick. Yeah, there seems to be a perception that he's on the decline already. Oh, he is. That might technically be true. I mean, he's not running anymore. His bat-a-ball profile.
Starting point is 01:02:00 though he hit a career high in home runs it was worse but it just because he just because his upside is lower now don't doesn't mean i think he's in the twilight of his career like he makes a ton of contact he has a tiny strike zone i think he's going to age really well he just may not be quite at that tip top level that whole time so yeah i was happy with him there like you said he's not as old as i think a lot of people perceive him to be it was actually so i took out too vay in round eight. It was actually round 10 where I got Blackmen. So that makes it seem even. Yeah, I mean, at that point, it's, yeah, round 10, you could take the shot there. Even I consider Jose Al-Tuvae in the eighth round, and I don't like Jose Ltuve. I'm off him for this year in redraft. I worry
Starting point is 01:02:46 about the leg injuries. He's dealt with knee, hamstrings the past couple of seasons. Don't think he's going to run much anymore for five by five, but still hits in the middle of one of the better lineups in baseball, probably still going to hit for batting average. I mean, in round eight, even I considered it, and I'm not a big fan of Jose. You're mad about the walkoff Homer. We need to get over, Frank. Maybe. I ended up with Chura, Altuve, Max Muncie is my first baseman.
Starting point is 01:03:15 Tommy Edmund. Tommy Edmund is my corner infielder. That's four second base eligible player. What does everybody else's second base spot look like? How did I end up with so many? I have Glaber Torres. I wound up with Gavin Lux. I actually took Gavin Lux, maybe a little early, fifth round.
Starting point is 01:03:32 Somebody has Vidal Bruhan, a raise prospect started there, Rugnett Odor. That's B. Don. I was checking out his team. All prospects for B. Don. Yeah, B. Don loves building around the prospects. A lot of people do. You know, maybe he'll be the best team in the league in three years.
Starting point is 01:03:49 But I like to do it more in football. The thing about prospects is their only perspective. And that's why semi-proven guys are better because they're less perspective. All right, you can catch the results of that draft. CBSports.com slash fantasy slash baseball. That'll do it for today. Tomorrow we have the All Disappearing Act team.
Starting point is 01:04:09 Speaking of Disappearing Acts, I expect Chris Towers will be on that show and he'll probably try to make another case for Mark Pryor somehow to be on a second team. I probably won't be on the show. So you can put me on the All Disappearing Act team. There you go. Adam Ezer makes it.
Starting point is 01:04:24 as well. That'll do it for Adam and Scott. I am Frank. Thank you all for listening. We'll be back again tomorrow. Bye-bye.

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