Fantasy Baseball Today - Final Weekend Streamers; What Happened To Lance Lynn!? (09/25 Fantasy Baseball Podcast)

Episode Date: September 25, 2020

It's the final weekend! October baseball is nearly upon us and we're not very optimistic for the Braves or the Yankees. ... For our final OMGG of the season, what happened to Lance Lynn (4:47)!? Is P...atrick Corbin done? ... On to news and notes, Corbin Burnes left with a hand injury, you might want to stash Kyle Higashioka in deeper dynasty formats, and Jesus Luzardo pitched in relief Thursday (11:58). ... Everything is one the line. Who are we streaming over the final Championship weekend (23:08)? Who are the must starts? Who are our favorite streams for each day of the weekend? What do we do with the tough calls? ... Which of these hot hitters should you add for the weekend (39:45)? ... We end with some Thursday leftovers (43:03). Why was Kevin Gausman so great this season? Are we buying Adalberto Mondesi because of his strong September? Who is the real Salvador Perez!?... Email us at fantasybaseball@cbsi.com. Subscribe to our new YouTube channel: youtube.com/FantasyBaseballToday 'Fantasy Baseball Today' is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Google Podcasts, Castbox and wherever else you listen to podcasts.  Follow our FBT team on Twitter: @CBSFantasyBB, @AdamAizer, @CTowersCBS, @CBSScottWhite, @Roto_Frank Join our Facebook group at https://www.facebook.com/groups/fantasybaseballtoday For more fantasy baseball coverage from CBS Sports, visit https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/ To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ Download our printable Draft Kit from CBSSports.com/draftkit! To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:02 Domingo Santana Welcome to a jag like Michael Waka Polanco and from The final weekend Dina-na-da-da-da-da- Welcome to fantasy baseball today on our final Kokomo Friday of the 2020 season,
Starting point is 00:00:40 September 25th. Frank Stamphill alongside Scott How Bad was my singing The Final Countdown? I thought you were using the voice manipulator, frankly. That was a high pitch you hit there. Very good.
Starting point is 00:00:54 That was my falsetto. I believe that's what they call it. That is what they call it, yeah. I didn't know I could get that high, but you know what? He learned something new every day. Yeah. Seriously, I was debating whether or not
Starting point is 00:01:08 I should sing to start the show up until right when we started the show. So I hope you all enjoyed that. He is Scott White. I am Frank Stamphill, and I don't know about you, Scott, but I am getting excited for some October baseball,
Starting point is 00:01:21 up here in New York in the Northeast, there's a chill in the air. Every pitch counts this time of year. There's not much like playoff baseball. And in my opinion, very excited. Are you hyped, Scott, for your Atlanta Braves? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:01:36 Yeah. You don't sound very hype. I think I'm expecting to be totally disappointed in the end. You sound like you're trying to talk yourself into it. You know what the playoffs are all about. So you curb your expectations, especially when you look at what their playoff rotation is this year. And Max Fried, Ian Anderson, Kyle Wright, that's what they're running out there.
Starting point is 00:02:02 I assume if they advanced to round two, which I'm not expecting them to because, come on. That hasn't happened since 2001. But I'm assuming if they advance past their first postseason series, it'll be Bryce Wilson in game four, I would assume. And that's kind of cool that it's all homegrown guys. Max Fried isn't entirely homegrown. He came over from the Padres. But, you know, he's been a lot of time in the Braves system before getting called up. So that would be kind of cool that, you know, the rebuild has culminated in these four homegrown pitchers starting a playoff series for you.
Starting point is 00:02:39 I'm just not sure. More than two of them are good. But we'll see. Oh, man. And you know what? The way that the National League is shaping up right now, if the season ended today when we're recording, well, we're recording Thursday night, of course, but you're listening to this on Friday morning or afternoon or any time over the weekend. The Braves would face the Reds. I would not want to face the Reds, Scott, with their pitching staff, too. It's all aligning perfectly, Frank. It's all coming together. And you know what? The Yankees would face the White Sox. So that's pretty tough for me because, of course, you know. Hawke Harrelson I like the White Sox
Starting point is 00:03:20 I love Jose Abraeus So that wouldn't I don't think that would be the best either So Yeah I guess the Reds wouldn't be the worst They wouldn't be the eighth seed As if things into today Scott
Starting point is 00:03:31 This is our last podcast of the regular season Are you said Yeah Oh you liar You're happy that the season is over We're gonna be doing plenty in the off season You and me and some other guests, presumably. About two a week, right?
Starting point is 00:03:52 Is what we're aiming for? Yeah, that's what we're aiming for. And, you know, whenever crazy things happen in the offseason because they will happen, figure out where Trevor Bauer's going to sign. You know what? Atlanta wouldn't be such a bad spot for Trevor Bauer to go. But we will have some emergency podcast
Starting point is 00:04:08 for whenever players signed, big name players, if any trades happen in the off season. So we'll have you locked in loaded. Make sure you're subscribed to Fantasy Base ball today, of course, and those podcasts will arrive in your app, no matter where you listen. Today on the show, it's our last, oh my goodness gracious of the season. Some championship weekend starting pitchers to stream or not to stream, some hitters you might want to add for the weekend as well.
Starting point is 00:04:32 And of course, we'll wrap up with some Thursday recap, some 2021 chatter. We got to get back to the Salvador Perez conversation because I looked at a snack cast numbers. He has to be the number to catcher off the board. Save that for a little bit later on. Oh my goodness gracious. All right, Scott, is there really any other name here? Can we just say that it's the same person together? On three, let's say the oh my goodness gracious player of the night.
Starting point is 00:04:59 Scott, don't look down at the note. It's like you don't know who it is. You know who it is. One, two, three. Lance Lynn. Yes, it is Lance Lid. When I saw this line today, my jaw actually dropped. And I don't even have him on any fantasy team.
Starting point is 00:05:15 But how about this? Five and two-thirds, 12 hits, 10 runs, nine earned, two walks, five strikeouts. The season ERA ends at 3.32 with a 4.35 X-FIP. And Scott, we've kind of tiptoed around this all season long where, okay, Lanselin was performing really well, but we would say here and there that, you know, the underlying numbers don't say that he's been this good,
Starting point is 00:05:41 but obviously you just continue to roll him out there because he has pitched so well, and the regression game, it feels like this is the 10th time I've said this in the past week, just comes at the absolute worst time. Oh, yeah, it's been an awful week for pitching. It really has, this is just another example. Yeah, obviously it stinks.
Starting point is 00:06:05 I actually do have Lance Lynn in a bunch of leagues, fortunately, and Tow Wars is one of them. and fortunately my lead in ERA and WIPP is so great that this start didn't hurt me at all, really? Humble brag. There is another closely, close battle in a head-to-head points league where, you know, I could have stood not to have this negative point total from Lance Linn today for sure. From an analyst perspective, an analytical's perspective, I guess, now that the ERA is 332, the WIP, by the way, is 106, so still really good.
Starting point is 00:06:48 The ERA, you know, solid 332. I feel better about ranking him based on those numbers than what the numbers were going to look like before this. You know, I feel like this is a more appropriate way to gauge Lynn. Like the regression came all at once. And, you know, if you're a big subscriber to X-FIP 435 X-FIP, you know, you're a big subscriber. You could argue that more regression was due to him. But, you know, it's obviously not that simple. He's been really good now for a year and two months.
Starting point is 00:07:22 So I'm curious what is XER. Yeah, his XERA coming into today's game, that's the stat cast one, was 302. So you can certainly break it down in different ways. My favorite is X-FIP, but it's not the end-all be-all. So, yeah, I don't mind evaluating Lance Lynn on the face of his numbers now going into next year. I think it's going to be appropriate. So that helps in a way.
Starting point is 00:07:49 That helps in what's going to be a very frustrating ranking process. And I'm happy you brought up the XERA. Again, that is the ERA estimator that is used on Stackcast. So what it does is it calculates what your ERA should be based on. on the quality of contact that you allow, according to Statcast, the launch angle, the average exit velocity that a pitcher allows, and it calculates what your ERA should be. And you mentioned that entering tonight, it was 302,
Starting point is 00:08:19 which is in the 88th percentile in baseball. So, before we started recording, I said, I don't think I'm going to have much Lance Lynn heading into next season. I looked at the X-FIP. It's over four. The stack-cast numbers make me feel quite better because 90-second percentile with his spin rate on his fastball. I mean, this is a guy that is predominant fastball pitcher.
Starting point is 00:08:42 So to see that, I mean, that makes you feel a little bit better. All right, I do. I do. Overall, I feel a little bit better about Lanselin than I did about 10 minutes ago for what it's worth. And we have a whole off-season to deep dive and talk about him anyway. But I do, I do feel better. Someone I don't feel better about, Scott, is Patrick Corbyn. I guess you could call this a quality start,
Starting point is 00:09:02 because technically it was. Seven innings, 10 hits against the Mets. Three earned, three walks, three strikeouts. We told people we didn't want to use him in the spot the way that he's been pitching recently. Speaking of which, he's allowed nine or more hits in four straight games and 24 hits over his last two outings in particular.
Starting point is 00:09:23 10 in this one, 14 in the start before. I don't feel good about Patrick Corbyn. for 2021, Scott. Well, yeah, I mean, the good news is if you started him over our objections, if you started him, you lived to tell about it. But it is, yeah, some bad signs here. Four swinging strikes on 113 pitches.
Starting point is 00:09:49 So that rate, which wasn't looking so bad, I mean, it's been going down. Everything's been going down for Patrick Corbyn over the course of this season. He's not that old. So, I, I'm hesitant to bury anyone over what happened these two months, to just to say,
Starting point is 00:10:09 oh, it was so bad that they are not worth our time anymore, because I just don't think any two-month stretch that that's something you can really do. And especially a two-month stretch that was as loopy as this season, where teams were having to shut down for a week at a time, where the whole league shut down for several months. And, you know,
Starting point is 00:10:31 suddenly everybody had to build up again. Like, plenty of players handled that fine. It stands to reason some of them won it, right? So, look, I don't expect to see Patrick Corbyn in my top 30 starting pitchers next year. Velocity was down. A lot of the indicators I care about most were down. But he's not that old, and it was a weird season, and he had a two-year track record of greatness. And if he drops much outside of that top 30, I'm going to be interested in investing in him.
Starting point is 00:11:00 I don't think there's much risk at that point, and we know what the upside is. I don't know if you noticed, Scott, or anyone else who is watching again, you'll watch us reminder on our YouTube.com slash fantasy baseball today. There was a point where you were talking about Corbin where I pulled up his statcast page,
Starting point is 00:11:17 and my face just went like I saw a ghost because I'm blue. I'm da-em-di-d-a-d-a. A lot of scenes today. Wow. You're just... Nothing but blue on his statcast page. His ex-E-R-A, 5.32. And that was before this start against the Mets.
Starting point is 00:11:40 Oh, man, we're gonna... We're gonna need some really good explanations in the off-season for what happened with Patrick Corbyn in order to buy back in, because this does not look like the pitcher we have seen the past couple of seasons. So, all right, something to pay attention to. Corbin and Lance Land in the off-season.
Starting point is 00:11:57 Some news and notes. Oh no, Corbin Burns, from one Corbyn to another. He exited Thursday start against the Cardinals with an apparent injury to his pitching hand. He wasn't great either in his start. He was at the Cardinals, 3 and 2 3 3rd, 6 hits, 3 earned, 2 walks, 5 strikeouts. Scott, I think the biggest issue that I've seen with Corbin Burns to this point is probably the inconsistency with his control.
Starting point is 00:12:25 I just think there are times where he has these high pitch counts where we see a lot of full counts with him, some walks at times. He's a strikeout pitcher, so I guess that's bound to happen. But you see a lot of these like barely five-ennings starts out of Corbyn Burns. I would say that that's the one drawback with him.
Starting point is 00:12:45 Something he can build on because he's still young, but it's just that inconsistency. Yeah, sure. That's fair. I mean, the story with Corbyn Burns, or part of the story with Corbyn Burns this year is that hasn't been, nearly as bad as I thought it was going to be as I'm sure a lot of people thought it was going to be.
Starting point is 00:13:05 So I, it may have, it may have reached a point over his previous, let's see, five starts, which were just, he gave up a one run across those five starts and a ton of strikeout. So obviously he's been, he's been gaining, he's been getting a lot of hype lately. So maybe the hype has reached a point where we have to kind of temper expectations again. but yeah, he's not this totally established sure thing. He's a very impressive talent
Starting point is 00:13:37 who made huge strides this year. And so, you know, if you rank him according to his stats, I think you're probably making a mistake. Even so, it's hard to imagine ranking him outside of the top 20. That's what I was just thinking, too.
Starting point is 00:13:56 Oh, man, I wonder if the hype get out of control. Top 20, it's a big ask for another pitcher that we don't know what the workload necessarily is going to be heading into next season because he's never really thrown that many innings, at least not recently, because he's been used more so as a reliever. So we'll see. We'll see what Corbyn burns, but I wonder if the hype is going to get out of control. The Yankees manager, Aaron Boone, said that deciding who will start a catcher between Gary Sanchez and Kyle Higashioca during the playoffs will be, quote, a day-to-day decision according to Lindsay Adler of the athletic,
Starting point is 00:14:31 low-key, Kyle Higashioca has some great stat-cast numbers. I mean, we've been dealing with small sample sizes all season. This is, we're talking 47 plate appearances here for Kyle Hagashioka, but 263XBA, it's fine. 570x slug, all right, I mean, that's, you know, that'll work, that'll play. He has had four home runs in those 47 plate appearances. He's a great pitch framer. I saw a quote from Aaron.
Starting point is 00:14:57 and Boone, you know, talking him up the way that he receives the ball, and, you know, obviously he's done great work with Garikoli. He's basically become his personal catcher. So I will just bring up the possibility that in deeper leagues, in two catcher formats, dynasty leagues, you might want to stash Kyle Higashioca. I was talking to one of my Yankee sources, aka my friend, who is a huge Yankee fan. And he said he thinks there's a chance that Gary Sanchez could be traded in the offseason. I don't think it's crazy.
Starting point is 00:15:26 So I'll just bring up the possibility of if Sanchez is gone, they're talking up Hagashioka, he might be the starting catcher for the Yankees next year. Just keep that in mind in deeper leagues if you want to stash him. Jamer, Candelaria, is there anything you wanted to add on Hagashoka? Well, just that he's played 14 games. You talked about a small sample size. He's played 14 games.
Starting point is 00:15:45 And I imagine they weren't all starts. So something to keep in mind. Now, he did hit 20 homers in just 70 games at AAA last year. He did that as a near 30-year-old. in a juiced ball environment. So take that with a grain of salt. That being said, how many catchers around age 30
Starting point is 00:16:04 have we seen break out this year, Austinola, Max Stacy, a lot of guys. You know, it takes a while for that, for players at that position to develop. So I know that analysis is all over the place,
Starting point is 00:16:19 but, you know, let's see what happens. Right now he's, Higashioca is not in my top 20 catchers for next year. And even if Sanchez was traded, I don't think he would be. That seems fair. But mild optimism.
Starting point is 00:16:40 Mild optimism for Higashio, see what happens. Jamer Candelario left Thursday's game against the Royals with lower back tightness and is considered day-to-day. Guys, if we get any reports over the weekend or Friday that somebody is not in the lineup and, you know, expected to miss a couple against. games will just be shut down. You could drop this player, especially someone like Jamer Candelaria,
Starting point is 00:16:59 who was a fringe player anyway. Eloy Jimenez left Thursday's game against the Indians with right foot sorenous and will be further evaluated on Friday. Another name to pay attention to, if they say he's going to sit out a few games so that he can rest up for the postseason, you can drop Eloy Jimenez. Carlos Martinez was placed on the 10-day I-L with a left oblique strain. Renato Nunez is dealing with knee-sornness that kept him out of Thursday's lineup against the Red Sox. One of the Yankees's top prospects, Clark Schmidt, will be called up and will start Sunday's game against the Marlins. Originally, that was supposed to be, I think that was supposed to be Garrett Cole's start. So, Cole will not start either way.
Starting point is 00:17:36 I think it's Davey Garcia on Saturday or Davey Garcia Friday, Jay Hap, one of the days, and then Clark Schmidt on Sunday. So Garrett Cole will not start. Scott, would you have any interest in streaming Clark Schmidt against the Marlins? I would not, no, I think. I mean, we could talk about some streamer options over the weekend. He's not anywhere near the top. of that list. He is somebody who I would want to watch Start just in that matchup because there's a lot
Starting point is 00:18:00 of hype around him in general, but yeah, I think it's a little bit too risky with your championship. And this isn't his debut, by the way. He was up some for doubleheader. I think he made some multi-inning relief appearances. Yep, that's correct. And he did not. He didn't look great, but, you know, whatever. It's his first couple of innings in the majors. So Clark Schmidt this Sunday. Nate Pearson was activated prior to Thursday's game against the Yankees. Please, please, just make it through the postseason healthy, have a nice off season, come back strong, someone that we can be excited about heading into next season.
Starting point is 00:18:32 Mike Clevenger's initial diagnosis is a sprained right elbow. Ooh, does not sound good, but the Padres are holding out hope that he will be able to pitch at some point in the postseason. John Heyman reported that they are hoping he's ready for the NLCS if they make it that far. So it does not sound great for Mike Levenger. A sprain is a...
Starting point is 00:18:54 Minor tear, right? That's... Isn't that how that works? Sounds accurate. I'm no doctor, Scott. Sprained pitching elbows for pitchers are, you know, sprain doesn't sound like a serious injury, but to that specific part,
Starting point is 00:19:10 that makes me nervous. That makes me nervous. According to WebMD, a sprain is a stretch or tear in a ligament. So it could be a stretch. A ligament, your elbow. Yeah, that doesn't sound too good for Mike Clevenger. Gosh.
Starting point is 00:19:30 Just gut-wrenching. Michael Conforto was placed on the aisle Thursday with hamstring tightness. His season is over. He can be dropped. Jesus Lozardo was used in relief on Thursday, so I think it's safe to say that he will not start over the weekend, right, Scott? Safe. How much did he pitch?
Starting point is 00:19:50 That is a fantastic question. I mean, we were thinking they were going to save him for the start. He pitched three innings through 54 pitches. So, yeah, I think that's pretty safe. Yeah, he's not going to pitch. He didn't pitch that well, by the way. Yeah, so if you had him in your lineup hoping that he would start over the weekend against the Mariners, which was a much much better start than, you know, pitching in relief against the Dodgers.
Starting point is 00:20:10 The Dodgers. Yeah, didn't work out well there for Jesus Lazardo, and he can be dropped as well. Email the day from Marcos. Can you mention some Hail Mary starters or high-level relievers to add to make a final push in ERA and whip over the weekend. Normally you mentioned you wouldn't risk to protect your ratios. What if you needed to gain? So we are about to talk about some streamers in just a little bit,
Starting point is 00:20:35 so I thought we would mention some relievers before we get to those. And I just looked up, honestly, the reliever, the leaders in ERA among relievers. And I don't know how available these names are, but Drew Pomerant has been great all season. Devin Williams, we've talked him up. He probably isn't available if people are, using relievers in your league.
Starting point is 00:20:55 Jake Deekman has been very good for Oakland. Chris Martin for the Atlanta Braves. Tony Watson. Kyle Zimmer for the Royals. Tyler Duffy for the Minnesota Twins. John Curtis for the Tampa Bay Rays. And T.J. Anton, someone we mentioned a couple of weeks back for the Cincinnati Reds. He might actually give you a little bit more bulk, too.
Starting point is 00:21:14 If they need him for a multi-enning relief appearance, T.J. Anton could be in that mix. Any other relievers come to mind, Scott, that you might want to pick up to help with ratios and strikeouts over the weekend? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, obviously, the easy answer is Devin Williams, if he's out there. He's 39% rostered. So in a league where middle relievers are valued, there's a good chance he's already gone. But that's the obvious 152 strikeouts in 25 innings.
Starting point is 00:21:42 Beyond that, I mean, Mike Myers is pretty high. Did you mention him? Mike Myers are the angels. I didn't, but he's only rostered in 7% of CBS leagues. M-A-Y-E-R-S. He's become a multi-inning reliever with a huge strikeout. rate like Devin Williams. Matt Foster hasn't been as reliable lately.
Starting point is 00:22:03 So White Sox, but the overall numbers are still really good. Yeah, that's, that's probably, those are probably the ones I can get behind most. I think that makes a lot of sense. I'm scrolling through the most added on CBS to see if anyone else stands out to me. Ryan Brazier is someone who I believe has pitched well for the Boston Red Sox. Yeah, he doesn't even get that many strikeouts, though, right? Probably not. Matt Barnes is only 37% rostered in CBS, so.
Starting point is 00:22:38 If you need saves, too. Seems like that. Oh, yeah, if you need saves, some of these roster percentages are really low. Actually, I was just looking at Greg Holland. He got an oblique injury. Come on, Greg. Ah, Greggy, come on. What about Stamont?
Starting point is 00:22:54 Stamont. Stamont showing up higher here. Could be a nice little sneaky sneak ad for the weekend as well. He gets a lot of strikeouts. His whip is not very good though. He walks so many. Yeah, the whip's 1.35.
Starting point is 00:23:06 That's probably why. Yeah. All right, Scott. So, Championship weekend. Some starting pitchers to stream or not to stream. Yes, I am about to read the must-starts and this list is about 30 names long. So bear with me.
Starting point is 00:23:16 But if you have any questions about these guys, I'm just going to tell you, start these names over the weekend. Max Scherzer against the Mets. Zach Gallen at home. against the Rockies, Carlos Carrasco, great matchup against the Pirates. De Nelson Lemette at the Giants, U. Darvish, at the White Sox. Jose Berrios versus the Reds.
Starting point is 00:23:34 Jose Erkitti, I know he's not normally a must start, but against Texas, he's dominated them already. I love the matchup. I think he's must start. Clayton Kershaw against the Angels. Jacob de Grom at the Nationals, Lance McCullors, another one like Erkitti, at the Rangers. Brandon Woodruff at the Cardinals.
Starting point is 00:23:49 Zach Wheeler at the Rays. I know Aaron Savale has not been great recently, but I like the matchup against the matchup against the Rangers. the Pirates, so I will say that he is a must start. Luis Castillo at the Twins, Framber Valdez at the Rangers, assuming he makes that start on Sunday, Aaron Nola at the raise, Trevor Bauer at the Twins on short rest, and for the final time, Scott, Jack Flaherty in Miller Park? I think so.
Starting point is 00:24:16 I mean, I'd go for him over Akiti. So I'd go for him over McCullors. I'd go for him over probably a few names. on this list. What do you think about Savale, Scott? Should he still be a must start against the Pirates? I think the matchup is still too good. Yeah, I mean, he's one of the more borderline ones here. I would imagine everybody who has Aaron Savale should be looking to get him in their lineup. It's possible somebody's rotation is just so stacked that they have to leave him out, and that's fine. He's toward the bottom of this list if we were ranking them all, but I wouldn't be afraid to start him,
Starting point is 00:24:52 certainly not. Some actual players, pitchers, that you can stream over the weekend, who are widely available. Scott, it all comes full circle for me. Of course. I'm going back to the well with my Pittsburgh Pirates. I was going to say Brad Keller. I like the matchup against the Tigers. He's 78% rostered in CBS.
Starting point is 00:25:09 So I went with another Keller. I went with Mitch Keller, who is at the Cleveland Indians on Friday. And his last time out, six no-hit endings. So I like the matchup for Keller, although Jose Ramirez just continues. match for them. Same thing for Joe Musgrove on Saturday. His last time out was phenomenal. I believe he had double-digit strikeouts, and he is at Cleveland as well. And then Sunday, Brady Singer, I know he wasn't good his last time out. The Tigers hit Boobitch on Thursday, but they are good against lefties. They are very, very bad against right-handed pitching. So Brady Singer, and if you're really desperate,
Starting point is 00:25:46 I don't hate Brett Anderson at the Cardinals on Sunday as well. Scott, a few names that you think could actually be available that you would stream this weekend. The one that's most shocking how available he is because he's available in more than half of CBS leagues. Going Friday is Tyler Molly of the Reds who
Starting point is 00:26:05 I think is having a huge breakout season. I mean, showing he can go deep into games, getting a lot of strikeouts, double-digit strikeout efforts. He is going against the twins, but the twins who have already clenched and I mean, frankly, as well as Molly's pitched, I
Starting point is 00:26:21 trust him against just about anybody. So he's somebody I like a lot for this weekend. I'll go day by day like you did. And on Saturday, yeah, Musgrove's probably the best one, but just to throw a different name out there, I'll say Justice Sheffield, who I know you like a lot.
Starting point is 00:26:43 He's rostered in about half of CBS Sports League's two, and he's going against Oakland, who I believe you said before the show was 24th in Wobah, against left-handed pitchers. Correct. Yeah. And of course, Sheffield's been
Starting point is 00:26:56 pretty reliable. So that's not a bad one. And then on Sunday, Singer's the obvious one there, but you already picked him. So I will say, I will say, I mean,
Starting point is 00:27:13 Seth Lugo's 72% rostered, but as good as he was last time out, I do want to highlight him going at Washington, somebody who might be more available. I'm tempted to say Drew Smiley here. It's San Diego is the matchup, but he's just been so dominant with the strikeout. Certainly if strikeouts specifically is what you're chasing,
Starting point is 00:27:35 I think Drew Smiley is a fine sleeper for you. The Padre's offense has not been nearly as good in September either. I know Tatis has slowed down over the past two weeks. They're 18th and weighted on base average. So I don't think it's crazy, especially if you need strikeouts. That's the one thing Drew Smiley can provide. for your fantasy teams.
Starting point is 00:27:54 Scott, you mentioned Seth Lugo. I was going to ask you about the person who is starting opposite him is Austin Voth, who has now put together two pretty damn good starts in a row, or is that too risky? Yeah, the result was good.
Starting point is 00:28:08 The underneath numbers, I wasn't seeing much there to get me excited, so that seems way too risky for me. All right, well, the name of this segment is actually to stream or not to stream, so let me ask you about some tough calls
Starting point is 00:28:20 this weekend, either some pitchers that have pitched well recently, they have a tough matchup, players who have pitched pretty well all season long. But the matchups, you're just a little worried about these. How about Griffin Canning, who is at the Dodgers? The Dodgers. He has pitched better lately.
Starting point is 00:28:36 The matchups worrisome. And look, it's one of those situations where if you're throwing a Hail Mary, like you just, you're, you need a miracle. You need a miracle. You have to shoot for the miracle. And I don't think Canning is a, bad shoot for the miracle candidate, but you'd rather not have to play him. How about Davy Garcia, who had his worst start out last time against the Red Sox, he is going
Starting point is 00:29:04 up against the Marlins. And I think the velocity was down in that start. He was a little worrisome. He would be more likely to play him than Canning. Yeah. But I'm not totally comfortable with it. Yeah, Davey Garcia's fastball velocity was around 90 his last time out, whereas it has been around 92 frequently.
Starting point is 00:29:24 So I hear you there. Match up pretty good. He is home, so don't love that part of it. But Marlins, I get behind that. Dane Dunning has pitched well all year. The Cubs are kind of a ma' matchup. I'm not like super scared of them, but they do take a lot of pitches at times.
Starting point is 00:29:40 Get your pitch count up. What do you think, Dane Dunning against the Cubs? I don't hate it. He's been good all year except for his last start. And I don't like the way the swinging strikes have been trending. So, you know, far from automatic, but probably the one I'm most comfortable with of the three-weave name so far. Michael Paneda, going up against the Reds. Yeah, that one's easy.
Starting point is 00:30:05 I almost mentioned Tim as my favorite for Saturday, 69% roster. That's pretty high. But, yeah, I mean, the Reds are fighting for their lives right now. They're playing well. But I just think Panetta's really good. So. Dylan Bundy has not pitched as well recently. He is at the Dodgers this weekend.
Starting point is 00:30:31 Yeah, I'd still run him out there. Michael Scott give. Kind of, kind of scared of that one. Herma Marquez, who Scott always seems to defend, is at the Arizona Dimebacks. You get Hermann Marquez outside Corse Field, Scott. You're going to roll them out there? Normally a good thing, yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:50 Yeah, I'll roll them out there. Taiwan Walker, someone who's, Scott does not like is going up against the Orioles. Yeah, I mean, it's a good ask for a miracle type of play. He's been, despite my objections to him, he's been pretty consistent, and this is a favorable matchup, and you could certainly see it going very well. Rather not have to do it, but it's a fine play. Charlie Morton going up against the Phillies.
Starting point is 00:31:21 He hasn't even, like he hasn't been going deep into games, right? It's really hard to see a scenario where he makes a real impact for your team, you know? His last time out he went five. He allowed one run with six strikeouts that was at Baltimore. Yeah, the most he's gone since returning is five and across four starts. Like, he seems less likely than some of these pitchers to damage you, but if you're playing an SP streamer, I presume it's because you need to make up ground. And I don't really think he's going to help with that.
Starting point is 00:32:02 And the Phillies are pretty hot over the past couple of weeks. I am going to say no, someone who loved Charlie Morton coming into the season, but it's been a big letdown, if we're being honest here. J. Hap against the Marlins. Yeah, I think, again, not something if you're trying to preserve a lead that you do, but if you're trying to catch up, the way he's pit. recently. Sounds like a good play. Sandy Alcantara on the other side.
Starting point is 00:32:30 He's been great, but in New York, against the Yankees. Yeah, that's, that's, that's a, that's a play I'd be okay with too. I think I like that more than like Griffin Canning. Andrew Heaney, who has been good, but against the Dodgers. Yeah. It's pretty good. That's a pretty good start. Chris Bassett against the Mariners.
Starting point is 00:33:03 Yeah, because of the matchup. I don't have a lot of faith in Bassett in what he's done this year, but the matchup makes it pretty easy. Chris Paddock against the Giants. Yes. And Rich Hill against the Reds. So I don't feel as good about Rich Hill
Starting point is 00:33:19 as I do Michael Paneda going against the Reds, but I'd lean yes on that. It is worth noting that the twins stink against left-handed pitching. He is on the twins, so that doesn't matter. He's on the twins, yeah, that's not worth noting. It is not worth noting because Rich Hill will not be pitching against his own team.
Starting point is 00:33:43 It is worth noting that the Reds have not been great against left-handed pitching this season. They are 23rd in weighted-on-base average against lefties, and they are in the middle of the pack against right-handed pitching. So better match-up for the left-e. I don't mind Rich Hill, but I think Michael Panetta is more trustworthy, which when have you ever been able to say that confidently in Michael
Starting point is 00:34:06 Paneda's career? 2020, that's the only explanation that I have. We're going to take a break. I want to promote a few things. A programming note remind you, you've already talked about this, but this is the last week that we'll be going five times starting next week. Actually, well, starting the week after. This upcoming week, you'll have two podcasts with Scott and myself, but there will be a third
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Starting point is 00:36:54 Let us know, what did you like? What did you not like? from 2020. All right, we're going to take a break when we come back. We're going to look a little bit at what happened on Thursday. I have some hitters that are hot right now that I want to talk about that you might want to add for the weekend as well as some 2021 chatter. We'll do that here, fantasy baseball today. Welcome back.
Starting point is 00:37:12 And before we get to some of these hot hitters that you can add for the weekend, I do just want to give a nice little shout out to Alex Gordon. He announced that he is retiring after this season, 2020. And it's been an interesting career for Alex Gordon. bounce around a little bit, you know, former top prospect, eventually kind of made his name in Kansas City, had some big moments on their World Series team as well. So shout out to Alex Gordon and the Kansas City Royals.
Starting point is 00:37:41 I think his whole career was with the Royals. He was the top prospect, right, Scott? And then kind of failed. Right, right. He was very hyped as a prospect when he first came up and looked like a bust for a while and then figured it out in his late 20. and, you know, had a nice little peak there, Alex Gordon.
Starting point is 00:38:02 But, uh, hasn't been useful for a while, but, you know, we wish him well in retirement, certainly. Must be nice. I wish I could retire in my 30s. He's my age. He's 36. He was born. Let me think here.
Starting point is 00:38:21 Let me do the math. He is 50 days older than, me exactly. Alex Gordon. You think it's 49, but you got to remember 1984 was a leap year. Ooh. Yeah. Look at that.
Starting point is 00:38:41 Nothing gets past, Scott. That's why he's the best in the business. All right. Some hitters that are hot. Austin Hayes. This is just the time of year where Austin Hayes final month, it's something about September. It's something in the air that Austin Hayes every year. I remember I picked him up in a few leagues last year. brought me to the Promise Land,
Starting point is 00:39:00 helped me win a few championships. But since returning off the IL, Austin Hayes has 16 hits in 11 games. So he's someone that you might want to look at this weekend. Miguel Cabrera is red-hot, if you want to snag him for the weekend. Four home runs in his last four games. He has three multi-hit games in a row.
Starting point is 00:39:20 And mentioned a while back, like he has some really good stat-cast numbers. He just was greatly underperforming those, basically all season again, that is Miguel Cabrera and Josh Fuentes, the name that I brought up the past couple of days. It doesn't hit for a lot of power but is providing batting average and he had two more hits on
Starting point is 00:39:38 Thursday. He's batting 321 and just a reminder that the Rockies have a double header this weekend against the Diamondbacks. Scott, Austin Hayes, Miguel Cabrera, Josh Fuentes. If you had to choose one for the weekend, which one would you choose? If I had to choose one of those three, it'd be Cabrera.
Starting point is 00:39:56 Not wild. about any of them, though, if I'm going to be honest. Oh, you know what? I was supposed to mention Dylan Carlson. Yeah, Dylan Carlson's in this mix, too. He had two hits. He had a home run, and he has eight hits in seven games since being recalled. Scott, would you take Dylan Carlson over any of these? Yeah. Yeah, he's probably at the top of the list, though, again, I'm not wild about it.
Starting point is 00:40:19 He's performing well, man. He's trying to... Oh, I know. It's... He's trying to pick that ADP back up for next season. Yeah, no, I mean, there's no reason to give up. on Dylan Carlson long term. And it's nice that he's, you know, getting, having kind of a redemptive finish here, though I don't think there's any way he salvages the numbers. You know, pretty good finish here.
Starting point is 00:40:43 Yeah, the overall lines are numbers are not going to look good for Dylan Carlson. I'm pretty confident of that unless he, I don't know, just goes on some crazy barrage over this weekend. Thursday's not so hot pitchers. We already mentioned Lance Land and Patrick Corbyn at the top. Alec Mills stunk, that's a nice call by you, Scott. You would not let me talk you into him. Three and two thirds, eight hits, four earned against the Pirates, and Chris Bubich on the other side, not in this game,
Starting point is 00:41:10 but on the other side of, you know, what we were right and wrong about, was not great against the Tigers. Four and two thirds, eight hits, four earned, three walks, five strikeouts. A reminder that the Tigers mash lefties. Anything you would add on those two, Scott? I mean, it's, I was getting pretty excited about Singer and Boobitch, and I guess Singer still has one last chance to leave a good taste in our mouths. But I liked a lot of what they were doing.
Starting point is 00:41:39 Boobich in his previous four starts had a 199 ERA, 25 strikeouts in 22 and two-thirds innings with a lot of swinging strikes too. So, you know, hate to see him finish this way. He did show us something. he'll be some level of sleeper next year, I'm thinking. That's about it. What about Kevin Gosman? Is he going to be a sleeper for next year? I guess it depends where he lands.
Starting point is 00:42:07 I believe he was on a one-year deal with the Giants, but he went up against the Rockies on Thursday, six innings of two-run ball, nine strikeouts, 20 swinging strikes on 100 pitches. Just a fantastic season here, Scott. 3.68 ERA, 3.12 X-FIP. The swinging strike rate is up over 14%. He's throwing his fastball harder than ever before.
Starting point is 00:42:30 Still throwing his splitter a ton, which is his bread and butter pitch. But yeah, it was a great year for Kevin Gosman. Is this one of those things where he's kind of sucking us back in because for years he was supposed to be a sleeper and would always let us down? I guess as long as he's not pitching in Baltimore, he's kind of enticing.
Starting point is 00:42:49 Well, no, it didn't go well for him in Atlanta. Didn't go well for him with the Reds? didn't he pitch well as a reliever there or am I making that up? I think he started out well. I'd have to double check and see where those numbers ended up with the reds out of the bullpen. I mean, it was, this was a completely different Gosman than we've ever seen before. I mean, he was just whiffing everybody. His strikeout rate, you know, it goes up from where it is here.
Starting point is 00:43:17 But 11.6 is what it entered the day as with the 2.6 walk rate. And you mentioned that. he was even better than his numbers, according to Exfitt. This guy looked like, he looked like an ace, frankly. And if that seems like an overstatement, good, because I feel like he didn't get nearly enough attention for it. And obviously, you know, you compare that two-month sample to the vastness of his career,
Starting point is 00:43:46 a guy who's basically 30 years old now, you know, you have to, you don't want to, you don't want to just assume this is who he is going forward. But if he's valued appropriately, then I'll absolutely be behind Kevin Gossman as a sleeper because
Starting point is 00:44:05 this was just, it was just an unbelievable season. It's worth noting that he has used his change-up more in 2020 more than ever before. 14%. His previous high for this pitch was 5.6%, maybe the past couple years as a reliever
Starting point is 00:44:21 he didn't really ever need a third pitch but yeah I mean he's basically four seam 95 miles per hour has that wipeout splitter and started using his change up Morgan that is Kevin Gawzman David Peterson he was at the national seven innings
Starting point is 00:44:36 one run only four strikeouts that is three straight starts allowing two runs or less for David Peterson a 3.44 ERA but but a 5.11 X-Fit anything to see here Scott any
Starting point is 00:44:48 excitement for next year? Not really. He's a guy who pitches to contact and gets a decent number of ground balls, but not enough that I think that's going to sustain him. That double-digit strikeout effort against the Braves last time was an outlier, and I think he showed it today.
Starting point is 00:45:05 So I'm not super excited about David Peterson going forward. Someone who also pitches to contact is Dallas Keikle. He had another strong outing to end his season, six innings of one-run ball, and it 1.99 ERA for Dallas Keikl in 2020. 3.97 X-FIPs. So, eh, but
Starting point is 00:45:25 Kikele and, you know, it reminds me of Marco Gonzalez. I think they're similar pitchers. Marco much better control and it doesn't walk as many people and he's going to have a better whip than Kikl. But I can see them probably in like that SP 40 to 50 range next year, Scott. Keikle and Marco Gonzalez, I feel like that makes sense. Yeah, they are. Better in points. They are where you go at starting pitcher. Forget the 199 ERA, Dallas Keigel.
Starting point is 00:45:54 It's not going to be a thing. You know, mid-threes, mid-to-high-high-threes. It's what you're hoping for with him. They're the kind of pitchers, he and Gonzalez, that you go for when, you know, the aces are all gone and you just can't afford, you can't afford to take a pitcher who's going to be, who's going to sink you.
Starting point is 00:46:14 Because for the most part, the pitching pool is pitchers who are either very useful or very not. and Dallas Keiko, Marco Gonzalez, there are a couple of just a handful that are in the middle of those two extremes. And I think these are good names to pair with upside. So, you know, take one unknown that has upside on your bench,
Starting point is 00:46:37 take one of these guys, a high floor pitcher to kind of balance that out on your teams. And they're obviously much better in points least as well. So keep that in mind, Dallas Keikl and Marco Gonzalez. Gonzalez just goes so deep into starts for the Seattle Mariners. But yeah, fantastic seasons for both of them. Junjin Ryu, also a fantastic season.
Starting point is 00:46:55 Shut down the Bronx. I'm not even going to say it, because they were not the Bronx bombers on Thursday. Seven shutout, four strikeouts for Ryu. A 2.69 ERA ends his season with a 3.31 X-FIP, 51% ground ball rate, 26% hard hit rate. That was top 10 among qualified starting pitchers this season.
Starting point is 00:47:16 he will be 34 years old when next season starts, but I don't think we should let that deter us from Ryu. I think he'll be in that mix as a top 25-ish, top 30 starting pitcher for 2021. Yeah, I mean, it's been a great three-year run for him. Granted, one of those years, he missed half of it with an injury. Another one of those years was really just two months. But nonetheless, it's hard to, it's hard. to say Ryu isn't reliable at this point.
Starting point is 00:47:49 All right, Scott, I'm about to say one of those crazy things where, you know, you have to rain me back in. You have to, I go out on a tangent. At Alberto Mondesie, he went four for four on Thursday with two steals. That brings his league lead to 22 stolen bases. He has gone 24 for 80 in September. He is batting 300 this month.
Starting point is 00:48:13 And, you know, an okay first season, back from shoulder surgery. Batting average is, you know, at 2.30 overall for the season. But, you know, if he can get that up to like 250 next year with as many steals as he gives you, his average exit velocity is still over 90 miles per hour, if people don't realize what Mondesie has done in September next year, and you're getting him at a discount in a roto or a head-to-head categories league. Scott, I'm going back to the well with Adelberto Mondesie.
Starting point is 00:48:43 Well, what's a discount? So he was like a fourth round pick this year, fourth, fifth round pick? If he goes later than that, if he goes later than that, I'll be interested. So the sixth round you're saying? Yeah, six-seventh. Okay. You don't seem as enthusiastic. I mean, it's been a great month of September.
Starting point is 00:49:05 I was trying to figure out what changed in the bat, bad at ball profile. Still a terrible line drive rate, still a terrible strikeout rate. but you know basically one of the two months he was great so I don't know very confusing player I was I was shouting him from the rooftops heading into last season and felt very much let down by him this season at the plate has been even worse but you know those steals are going to be there and there's there remains that chance that he breaks out as a hitter with
Starting point is 00:49:43 decent power production. Somebody's not going to sink you on batting effort. It remains on the table. He's young enough. There are some interesting... You know, you mentioned the exit velocity. But I don't know. The numbers for this year, even with this rebound, the overall,
Starting point is 00:50:03 the batter ball profile, like I mentioned, the expected stats, still does not look good for Adelberto Mondesie. That was like a really long way of Scott saying, No, Frank, you're wrong about Monashie. I don't want anything to do with him next season. That's not what I was saying, exactly. I'm just not going around six, round seven.
Starting point is 00:50:27 Yeah, maybe it's too early. Let's see where everyone else settles in in ADP. Again, this is only in Roto and Categories leagues. Not in a points league. Don't want anything to do with Monashie there. Let's stick with the Royals. Mentioned his name at the top. Salvador Perez.
Starting point is 00:50:42 Two for four. Hit his 11th home run. Scott, he is absolutely the second catcher off the board next season. There's no doubt in my mind. Small sample doesn't matter. This guy has been so rock solid for so long. How much older do you think he is than Wilson Contreras? We never ranked him anywhere near a top two catcher.
Starting point is 00:51:03 I think he's three years older than Wilson Contreras, right? He is two years older. Two years older. I mean, it's not a huge disparity. But there's a huge sample. of him basically being a 230 to 250 hitter who hits 20 to 25 home runs. And then he has two months
Starting point is 00:51:22 where he does a lot more than that. And the line drive rate is way up. I don't think you can just say because he hit a lot of line drives for two months, I don't think you can assume that's who he is anymore. And I really don't see anything wrong in Wilson Contreras' battleball profile. If anything, it got a little better
Starting point is 00:51:40 in what was a disappointing season. But, you know, he was still, I was looking earlier today. I think he entered Thursday, Wilson Contreras did as the fourth best catcher in points leagues. So, you know, maybe overstating the level of disappointment there anyway. Salvador Perez has been amazing. He's had an amazing two months, but there's a lot of track record there. And I'm putting him third because it gets to a point where, like, who deserves to go ahead?
Starting point is 00:52:10 of him. I think Wilson Contreras, with his superior track record, with the fact I don't really see anything wrong in the underlying numbers, I'll go Wilson Contreras number two and Salvador Perez 3. It's been an, I'll see an inconsistent track record for Wilson Contreras because he's had two fantastic seasons. His rookie season was pretty good too, but that was only 76 games. He had one terrible year in 2018, this is Wilson Contreras. And then in 2020, it's two months, but I mean a 725 OPS for Wilson Contreras. He is hitting more line drives. You like to see that.
Starting point is 00:52:43 He normally, he's lowered the ground ball rate. So those are good things from Wilson Contreras. But, man, I put their stackass numbers side by side, Salvador Perez, 359 expected batting average. Are you serious? 699 X-slug? Wilson Contreras, 259 XBA, 454 X-Lug. Salvador Perez is very similar. And this is going to be, this is going to be the big debate over 2021 rankings.
Starting point is 00:53:10 looking forward to it. But I can already sense it happening. The people most invested in baseball are the ones I'm engaging with on Twitter in, you know, in late September. I'm sure it's the ones most invested in it. And it seems like they're treating 2020 like the numbers produced in 2020, like the numbers produced in a full-length season. And that is just absurd because two months is not anything like six months. It's not. And so a lot of that stat-cast data, it means nothing to me.
Starting point is 00:53:45 This is what's frustrating about it, is normally you can put together an argument, a well-reasoned argument backed up by numbers. But I think a lot of the defense for my rankings is going to be, yeah, but those numbers don't. really mean anything. They might mean something, but they're incomplete.
Starting point is 00:54:09 They're incomplete by more than half. So who knows how the next four months would have gone for Salvador Perez? I know how the last four years have gone for Salvador Perez, beyond that even. I am open to the idea he's a changed player. Now, I have no reliable evidence he is, though. Outside of... I hear you. I said no reliable evidence.
Starting point is 00:54:37 Okay. I mean, it's just weird because, and I hear what you're saying, and maybe I'm falling forward too far the other way, right? Because it's the same thing with Jose Abraeu. It's the same exact thing, Jose Abraeu and Salvador Perez. So obviously, I liked both of the, I loved both of these players coming. We did our all-star teams, you know, players we draft most. I had Salvador Perez as a catcher. I had Jose Abraeu as the first baseman. So I really liked both of these players coming in. And part of the reason I liked Salvador Perez was I thought the year off,
Starting point is 00:55:07 2019 when he was recovering from Tommy John surgery, I believe it was. Yeah, Tommy John surgery. I thought that that would help him in 2020 because he had taken such a beating the past, whatever, six, seven seasons before that, playing so many games at Catcher. He was basically an Iron Man.
Starting point is 00:55:23 He would just play so much. And I thought that that would help him this year having that year off to kind of like rejuvenate himself. And so I think that's part of the explanation of what he's done so far. And it's only two months. So I don't, I could see. him being, you know, having a fresh off season again heading into next year and he's going
Starting point is 00:55:41 to play a ton and he's going to give you volume. He doesn't walk at all. Yeah, he's a low risk catcher. If that's the argument you want to make, that's fine. Is he this guy? No, no, he's not going to be an OPS over a thousand for a whole season, but... Is he going to be an OPS over 900? What was his career a high OPS before this year? Seven, nine hundred. It's not even 800. 92. 792. Yeah. So what was it? exactly? It was 792. Okay.
Starting point is 00:56:09 All right. So almost 800. Yeah. And Wilson Contreras had two seasons. Oh, well, if you count as rookie year, three, but it's kind of like two and a half. Wilson Contreras had two seasons over an 800 OPS. All right, so. And I'll add that I don't think it's ridiculous to rank Perez second over Wilson Contreras.
Starting point is 00:56:27 We're debating over one spot, you know? Like, we're splitting hairs, basically. Yeah, I don't think it's ridiculous, but I'd rather have Contreras. I don't think that's ridiculous either. No, I don't think it is. But I'd rather have Salvador Perez. Where else do we go from here? Pablo Lopez got his revenge against the Braves.
Starting point is 00:56:47 Five shutout with six strikeouts. We were kind of waffling over whether or not to use him because last time he faced, was it last time, two times ago? Whenever he faced the Braves, he got destroyed by them. But he got his revenge and finishes his season with a 3.61 ERA and a 3.72 X-Fib. Walker Bueller had a successful return as well to the mound for the Dodgers.
Starting point is 00:57:07 Four shutout, one hit, one walk, six strikeouts, 11 swinging strikes on 65 pitches. I don't know that it means much. Hopefully he pitches well in the postseason, Scott, and give us a little bit of confidence in Walker Bueller heading into next season. But I think what you said about him recently
Starting point is 00:57:24 that he's just not going to have a lot of innings, what is that going to mean for 2021? Are you going to invest a second round pick in Walker Bueller? That's probably too rich for me. But if he falls into the third, that's probably where you have to actually start thinking about them. Yeah, that sounds right to me too. And this is going to be the single biggest question heading into next year is,
Starting point is 00:57:46 what are teams going to do with every single one of their pitchers, considering the innings jump is going to be huge for everybody. Everybody who makes every turn in the rotation, it's going to be huge. And, you know, obviously that's happened before. pitchers have lost most of the season to injury, well-established ones, and then they come back and they take on a workload like nothing happens. So it's not going to affect everybody,
Starting point is 00:58:14 but it will affect a lot of pitchers. And I don't feel confident. I can predict with real confidence which ones it will affect. You know, more established, okay, it'll probably affect them less. Less established, it'll probably affect them more. but there will be some from each of those piles who are treated like they're in the other pile, you know? Yeah, I love that you started off that analysis by saying,
Starting point is 00:58:44 well, this will be the single biggest question in the off-season, but we just had a whole argument about how much, like, this season's numbers matter for, like, Salvador Perez and Jose O'Brien. So those are the big questions. Those are the two biggest questions. How much is any pitcher going to pitch? and how much do the numbers we just saw actually mean? Those are pretty big questions that affect every single player.
Starting point is 00:59:07 I'm going to write those down because that's basically the, those are the two questions we're going to ask every one of our guests in the offseason. And you'll have, I don't know, maybe 20, 30 different answers. And it's going to be interesting to see what happens in the off season and how much we take these things into account. It's going to be crazy. I'm hoping, I'm hoping, because we'd really reached a point the people who rank for fantasy baseball,
Starting point is 00:59:33 the fantasy baseball community, if that's what you want to call it, where there was almost too much consensus with the rankings because the data had become so reliable and so widespread that everybody was kind of working off the same information and it was hard to argue against it. But I'm hopeful this, the season we just had, with Daddy, you shouldn't really trust on the same level
Starting point is 00:59:57 means there's a lot more hunches being played, there's a lot more discrepancies from one person's rankings to another. That'll be like the good old days. And I hope that happens. I hope we don't fall into like groupthink when it's not backed up by data the same way. We might, but we'll see.
Starting point is 01:00:19 I tend to gravitate court group think because I'm kind of building my rankings around where I think I can get a player. So I'll be contributing to it if it happens. But hopefully it doesn't. Scott, I was on a few islands heading into the season. First time here. You guys were out on Machado.
Starting point is 01:00:36 You guys were out on a Braio. I brought that to the table. And of course, there were players that you guys were in on that I was out on that came to fruition as well. But yeah, I think we already kind of have like different mindsets, at least me and you. Oh, yeah. I mean, there are always disagreements. But, Frank, it's taken from somebody who's been doing it. this for over a decade now. There is much more consensus than there used to be. It's really hard to
Starting point is 01:01:03 to be truly on an island from everyone else over a player. Basically, Nando DeFino does it and nobody else. Speaking of Nando, we will have him on in the offseason, so that will be a lot of fun. I think it was, I think it was last year before Vladimir Guerrero Jr. got hurt. Nando posted a picture on Twitter of his rankings, and he had Vlad. Vlad. ranked inside like his top 20 players in redraft leagues. And look, that's why Nando's the best, man. He is bold to say the least. He will take the players that he loves.
Starting point is 01:01:37 And, you know, he has his reasons. But it's going to be fun to talk to Nando and find out who some of those players are for him heading into next season. That'll do it, Scott. We're done. We're done with the 2020 season. I want to thank you, of course, Adam, Chris,
Starting point is 01:01:54 for... making this such an easy first season for me. It's, it's been a lot of fun. So thank you to those gentlemen. And thank you, Scott. There was nothing easy about this season. But it was great, and you're obviously a big part of that. So it's been good.
Starting point is 01:02:13 I look forward to the offseason. I look forward to however many seasons we have together. It's a good thing. Indeed, it is. It sounds like this is a farewell, right? Like, we're going away for like the, no, We're going to be back next week, guys. It's not that big of a deal.
Starting point is 01:02:27 Thank all of you as well, the listeners and the viewers on our YouTube channel. For Scott White, I am Frank Stamphel. We will be back again next week. Bye-bye.

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