Fantasy Baseball Today - Five Amazing Stats; ADP Rounds 16-18 (03/26 Fantasy Baseball Podcast)

Episode Date: March 26, 2020

It's Opening Day! Or at least it's supposed to be Opening Day. We don't have baseball, but we do have a new host, some noteworthy Opening Day performances from the past (2:30), a bold prediction about... the CHW rotation (6:15), an uplifting Twitter moment and a Jose Abreu rankings debate (14:00) to start the show ... Scott wrote a whole column about amazing stats, let's give you five to ponder today. We talk about Nelson Cruz (22:00), Marcell Ozuna (26:00), Edwin Encarnacion (30:23), Dansby Swanson (34:30) and Lourdes Gurriel Jr. (38:30) ... The best and worst picks of Rounds 16-18 (47:05). Is Joe Jimenez good? Is Garrett Hampson good? ... Email us at fantasybaseball@cbsi.com 'Fantasy Baseball Today' is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Castbox and wherever else you listen to podcasts.  Follow our FBT team on Twitter: @CBSFantasyBB, @AdamAizer, @CTowersCBS, @CBSScottWhite Join our Facebook group at https://www.facebook.com/groups/fantasybaseballtoday For more fantasy baseball coverage from CBS Sports, visit https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/ To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ Download our printable Draft Kit from CBSSports.com/draftkit! To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Welcome to the Fantasy Baseball Today podcast from CBS Sports. What a fantasy question? Email fantasy baseball at CBSI.com. Get ready to win your league. We're fantasy! Now here's Adam, Scott Heath and Chris. Welcome to the new era of fantasy baseball today. J.K., it's still the same show.
Starting point is 00:00:29 You know, the one you love. Except with me. Plus one. Frank Stample with a ton of product in my hair. I had to impress Adam Azer on my first day hosting. So Adam, what do you think of the hair? How did I do? Yesterday was alarming.
Starting point is 00:00:45 Because when I've seen Frank, he, as far as I remember, he spends about 15 minutes on his hair every day. Yesterday was like, like you were living through a pandemic or something like that. It was just really wild and no product. Today it looks good, man. It looks good. You have like a cool side part. you got the beard going with it too. Very sharp looking man.
Starting point is 00:01:10 Yeah, and I just want to address the elephant in the room at the top of the show and remind everyone that Adam Azer is not going anywhere. He's still with CBS Sports. He's still going to be on the fantasy baseball today podcast regularly, as will Scott White, as will Chris Towers as well. And look, Adam Azer all has captured a piece of our heart. I think that we can all confidently say that from a fantasy baseball perspective, of everything that he's done with CBS Sports.
Starting point is 00:01:35 So look, I'm not going to try and replicate what he's done. There's no replacing Adam Azer. I realize that, but I will try my best to live up to the standard that Adam has set here on the show and in the entire industry. So I just wanted to remind everyone that Adam's not going anywhere. He's still here. And I just want to say, Adam, it's been great working with you. I'm really going to miss you on the podcast. And, you know, it's just been a real joy.
Starting point is 00:02:01 Looking forward to what comes next, Adam. Thanks, guys. That's not going to confuse people at all. This is really nice. Actually, I do want to say Adam, when Frank said Adam is not going anywhere, he meant that literally. Adam will not be leaving his house. He also met that professionally. It looks like Adam's wearing the same shirt as yesterday.
Starting point is 00:02:23 Incorrect. I can promise you that is incorrect. I've been on HQ doing fantasy football today at noon Eastern each of the last two days. and there was video proof that I'm actually wearing different shirts on Wednesday and Thursday. That might explain why you're not hosting the podcast anymore. That's part of it. Yeah, happy opening day, by the way, everybody. Happy opening day. Yeah, happy opening day indeed. I know Chris that you are working on a best opening day fantasy performances piece. And I wanted to throw to you for the Three Homer Club, because when you sent us this before the show,
Starting point is 00:02:53 there are some really, really interesting names on this list just in terms of all kinds of crazy performances throughout the years. but hit us up with some of the three homer club because I think we would be remiss not to mention that today was supposed to be the start of the actual MLB season. So the fun thing about this exercise is just remembering like random performances like Matt Davidson's three homer game
Starting point is 00:03:13 on opening day in 2018. That was only two seasons ago. It feels like a lifetime ago. Matt Davidson is a relief pitcher now. So that tells you how long ago that was. He hit three home runs. And there was a big rush. to grab him on the waiver wire.
Starting point is 00:03:30 Turned out he was still, my cat just bit me. Sorry. I was gesticulating with my arms, and my cat is right next to me, and she just took a bite out of my hand. Sorry. So then the rest of the three homer club,
Starting point is 00:03:48 Dimitri Young, 2005, opening day. Tuffy Rhodes, famously. I believe it was his first game with the Chicago Cubs in 1994. Three solo home runs, four for four. and George Bell in 1988. There were no three homer games on opening day before 1988.
Starting point is 00:04:04 How about that? How about that? Scott White is here as well. Scott, how are you doing? What can you tell me about Tuffy Rhodes? Because I know nothing about him. Yeah, Chris said famously. I don't remember that either.
Starting point is 00:04:17 1994. Were you even alive yet, Frank? That's that's... That was the first year. That was the first year I followed baseball in 1994. And that was the season, of course, they didn't have the World Series because of the strike. My only vague memory of this,
Starting point is 00:04:34 why I think Chris must be right, is because every week, the newspaper, the Atlanta Journal Constitution, would run the stats for every team, like once a week. They'd have a page of the sports section just showing all the stats for every team,
Starting point is 00:04:50 and I'd pour over that every week. And I remember this guy named Rose, like they only showed last names, obviously. It's a newspaper, no space. Rhodes was at the top of the Cubs stats for like the longest time, and it must have all been off of that opening day performance. He hit three of his 13 career Major League home runs in that game. However, we should recognize Tuffy Rhodes' incredible career in the Japanese League.
Starting point is 00:05:18 Between the Kinitsu, Yomiuri, and Orix teams, he has 464 career home runs. in Japan, over 500 in his professional career. What a player. It sounds like he didn't get enough of a chance. All right, well, this show is off the rails already to get things going. I didn't know that we were going to get that far into the career of Tuffy Road. Way to go, Frank. Way to go.
Starting point is 00:05:43 This is the hosting debut of Frank Stamphill, so it can only go uphill from here, I hope. We got a lot planned forward to the show today. We got a bold prediction. We have a rankings debate between myself and Scott. We also have five stats. from Scott's 48 amazing stats article that is currently on CBS Sports.com. We have the best and worst picks from ADP round 16 through 18. And then we have some emails as well.
Starting point is 00:06:09 Be sure to email us, Fantasy Baseball at CBSI.com. Let's start things off with the bold prediction. And this comes from Stuart Burkehart. He says the Chicago White Sox will have four top 40 starting pitchers this upcoming season. And I think we could all agree on Lucas Gialito. at least there being inside the top 15, maybe top 20. I've ranked him rather bullishly or inside my top 12. But it's kind of hard to see the rest of this playing out with Dallas Keikl,
Starting point is 00:06:40 Rinaldo Lopez, Dylan sees Gio Gonzalez currently in the rotation. And there was actually news earlier today that Michael Kopeck was just optioned to AAA as well. So keep that in mind. Carlos Rodon is going to be back between, I don't know, sometime in July or August. So, Scott, I'll throw this one to you opening day, right? Bold prediction. Four starters for the Chicago White Sox in the top 40 starters. How bold is this prediction?
Starting point is 00:07:09 It's bold. It's bold. It's conceivable, I think, the biggest hurdle. Like, even if things go as well as they could for Dylan Cs, as well as they could for Michael Kopeck, in terms of how they perform. Are they going to, I'm hesitant to even say get the innings because of how short the season might be, but are they going to pitch deep enough into games
Starting point is 00:07:35 to really break into the top 40, both of them, along with Lucas Gialito? It's unlikely. Dallas, Keikle, and Reinaldo Lopez, maybe they have a better chance, but I don't feel like the upside is as great for either of them. So it's unlikely there, too. There's certainly a timeline where this happens if we're projecting thousands of timelines.
Starting point is 00:07:57 There's at least one where this happens, but I don't think it's probably going to be the timeline we're living in. All right, Adam, it's time to put your analyst hat on here. Here's the debut, Adam Azer, the analyst of Dallas Keikl, Ronaldo Lopez, and Dylan Seas. Who would you say is most likely to climb into the top 40 of that group? Dallas Keiko would be the most likely to climb into the top 40, particularly in a points league. I mean, I kind of feel like he is going to finish top 40. I don't think he should be drafted that way because he's so unexciting.
Starting point is 00:08:31 He's a strikeout liability. He's a whip liability. But he'll probably stay healthy, give you innings, and like finish top 40, but not really feel like a top 40 pitcher in the process. The one I'm most likely to draft is Dylan Cs. Renaldo Lopez, no thank you. I know Carlos Rodom was mentioned by our listener by
Starting point is 00:08:50 Stuart, he has to be good for me to even... He's not good. I don't care if he's coming back in July or August. He hasn't been good. And, yeah, CIS is the one I want... This obviously completely disagree
Starting point is 00:09:02 with this bold prediction. It is very bold. Don't see it happening. But CIS would be of Cickel, Lopez, and CIS. Not even close, still in CIS. Yeah, Dallas Cickel did have 12 quality starts in 19 starts last year.
Starting point is 00:09:15 Definitely a whip liability. 137 whip. 375 ERA last year in his time with the Atlanta Braves. Now moves over to the Chicago White Sox, of course, but, you know, playing in head-to-head points leagues where you potentially get that bonus for quality starts, I think that makes a lot of sense. Chris, any love for Dillon Cs this upcoming season? Because I've seen people mention the fact that Yasmani Grandal being the catcher there
Starting point is 00:09:37 with his ability to frame pitches is something that will be able to help Dillan Cs tremendously this upcoming season. Love Dillan Seas. Pretty much every time I've written about late round pitchers. He's been one of my top options. When I wrote about possibilities to replace Noah Cindergarde, he was one of the guys I wrote about the other day. The stuff is electric. There's really no questioning it.
Starting point is 00:09:56 That is not my phone. That is not. That is Frank's phone. Not my phone. Oh, it's Chris's phone. Oh, was the ringer on? I thought it was silent. Mr. Popular, Chris Towers. Jesus. Cat bites him, his phone. You're really making things tough on Frank today, Chris.
Starting point is 00:10:14 I just want you to look. My cat is just like standing here like a statue on my desk. It's delightful. Uh, world famous David Bowie. Um, I really like Dillen Seas. I think the stuff is electric. The command is the question, but he is one of those pitchers who has kind of embraced the analytical revolution and uses all of the, you know, trackman and all those monitors. Um, so I, I believe in his ability to figure it out. He spent the offseason kind of tweaking his delivery and if he does, if he can
Starting point is 00:10:49 manage to be a 3.5 walks per 9 guy, I think he has ace potential. You mentioned David Bowie, world famous. You had a tweet yesterday that went live. Exactly. That's what I mean. Truly. I mean, David Bowie famous, the cat.
Starting point is 00:11:05 Chris Towers is now also famous. Did he get 100,000 of thousands for likes? Scott, 500,000. Wow. I can't use Twitter right now. There are too many notifications. That's a relief to everyone who follows you. 500,000, the most likes I've ever gotten, I think, is in the 500s.
Starting point is 00:11:29 So that's amazing. What did you tweet? This is the second time I've heard about this. I didn't see it. So what did I miss? So my neighbor across the street put up a sign in her window. My neighbor put up a sign in her window that said,
Starting point is 00:11:51 Hi, what's the name of the white cat? And so I put up a sign on my window that just said David Bowie. I have a little postcard that has a little drawing of a cat that looks like David Bowie. And so I put that up there. And then I just took a picture of it and posted it on Twitter. And it seems to be bringing joy to people's lives. And it brought joy to my life.
Starting point is 00:12:12 It was really, a nice experience. Oh, that's really cool, man. We found each other on Twitter. Someone sent it to her. We're friends now. We're going to meet up after this whole pandemic is over. So it's great. It's delightful. That's really cool. That's really cool. It truly is a spectacular story. I was stalking Chris Towers's Facebook earlier today.
Starting point is 00:12:32 And someone, I believe, related to you, Chris, actually posted this person's Instagram story. And it was kind of interesting to just see, like, her perspective of things, seeing the other side of the street, seeing your building and the notes that you were putting up and then seeing it from your perspective, obviously, because you're here on the show. So I'm closer with you than I am with her, but it's, it was very interesting to kind of just track all of that that happened. Really, really, really awesome story with everything that's kind of going on right now. We can, we can use more stories like that, Chris. So whenever you've got any more awesome pet stories, feel free to bring them to the show. Oh, they'll be there. I don't think you have
Starting point is 00:13:06 to worry about that. If you follow me on Instagram, there's just, it's all pets. It's great. it's all pets when it comes to Chris Towers. And yesterday I didn't ask me anything on the Fantasy Baseball today Facebook page. If you're not part of the group, you should be part of the group. And I was asked a ton of questions about topics that have come up throughout the years here on the show regarding Butterfingers, is Die Hard a Christmas movie, is a taco, a sandwich. So I'm just going to randomly sprinkle those in throughout the next couple of days so that people can get to know me. And hopefully I have the opposite answers of everything to Adam Azer. so that we can argue over that and that'll be great.
Starting point is 00:13:42 But I'll just sprinkle that in randomly. Maybe not today because we have a kind of stuff to get to. And I'm doing a pretty bad job here at pacing. So let's move on to the rankings debate here. Numero uno, the first rankings debate here between myself and Scott White. And Scott, I hope that we can be friends after everything that's about to happen. But I have Jose Abraeu, and I believe that I'm on an island here because as I've mentioned, I've listened to your guy's show before.
Starting point is 00:14:07 And I don't think anybody on this podcast likes Jose Obrayu. Abrae from a fantasy perspective this year, but I have him ranked as my fourth first baseman in Roto this upcoming season, and Scott has him all the way down at 12th. So, Scott, I will give you the floor for this moment to kind of remind people why you are lower on Jose Abru, maybe than the consensus, but definitely lower on him than I am. All right, well, let's start simply with he was eighth among first baseman in Roto last year. So exactly the midpoint between where you have him and where I have him. He was eight with a major league leading, right? Or was it just A.L. leading. RBI total A.L. leading of 123, which as Chris has pointed out many times, regardless of whether or not the White Sox lineup is better.
Starting point is 00:14:57 It's not the best lineup in baseball. Jose Ibrahim is not the sort of the caliber of hitter who should lead the majors in RBI, even if he was in the best lineup in baseball, right? Is that basically what it comes down to, Chris? I mean, if he was batting third for the Yankees, I could see 120 RBI being realistic, but he's not batting third for the Yankees. Right. So those are the main things. 33 home runs, Jose Ibrahim hit was one of the highest totals he's ever hit. And, you know, obviously that's not factoring in, like Matt Olson having an injury short in season. Anthony Rizzo having one of the worst years of his career.
Starting point is 00:15:44 Yeah, there's just, like, I feel like Jose Ibrahim, the year he gave you last year at age 33, is probably about as good as he can possibly be. And he wasn't good enough to be top five still. Scott, I haven't missed 10th. He was 10th. He was 10th in points. I don't know if you said per game or not. No, we're doing roto. Yeah, this is for me.
Starting point is 00:16:08 I haven't 14th. 14th in Roto. Am I wrong? So I have an 8th in Roto as well. I wanted to acknowledge that, you know, I do like him more in Roto than points just because he doesn't walk all that much. So definitely something you have to take into consideration, whether it's a points league or an OBP type Roto format.
Starting point is 00:16:28 He is someone who is better in the batting average, the standard 5 by 5 Roto. I have him as the 8th first baseman last year as well. And I did just want to point out that just ahead of him, you have Carlos Santana, Josh Bell, Trey Mancini, DJ LaMayhew. And I think of LaMayhew, Josh Bell, Carlos Santana, we all kind of expect those guys to regress a little bit, or at least I do. And then obviously everything that's going on with Trey Mancini,
Starting point is 00:16:53 we wish him the best and hope that he recovers from everything that he has going on. But it's kind of hard to project Trey Mancini for the upcoming season. When it comes to me, look, I just think Jose Abrae, steady as they come, 284 or higher in five of the six seasons he's been in Major League Baseball. 30 plus home runs in four of those six seasons. And he is fourth in RBI since he has joined, since he has come over to the major leagues. He's fourth overall in all of baseball since 2014 in RBI. So I understand that projecting RBI is hard to do.
Starting point is 00:17:25 It's much like, you know, projecting touchdowns in fantasy football. But if we're just looking at context, he led the American League with 123 RBI last year. And I think you can argue that the lineup around him got better, right? It got much better, I think. The only thing you can use for projecting RBI really is line up context. He's always good at RBI. He is an RBI machine. He's 100 every year, basically.
Starting point is 00:17:50 Yeah, and if you worry about the age, right? So you mentioned he's 33 years old. This is age 33 season last year. He was 32. He posted his highest average exit velocity of his career, 92.1 miles per hour. That was 94th percentile in all of baseball. And he had the highest barrel percentage of his career at 12.8. percent. That was top 20. That was actually tied with his teammate, Elo Jimenez, who people love this
Starting point is 00:18:13 upcoming season. So I just think that, you know, some people are going to regress that finish ahead of him last year. I think that he is just as steady as they come. I think projecting him to be a top five first baseman, especially in Rota. I just want to reinforce that thought process that I don't think it's all that crazy. Adam, why does Anthony Rizzo go 17 spots higher than Jose Abraeu in ADP this year when Jose Abraeu has finished better in Roto in three of the past six seasons than Anthony Rizzo. I was wrong about Abrao. He was eighth, Scott, and Frank were right.
Starting point is 00:18:46 I said 14th. He was eighth in Roto, so let me just say that. Well, he's younger. I think people just sort of feel like Abraeus skills are going to decline, and he's been very inconsistent with home runs, basically. And I do sort of feel the way Scott feels that 23, the 284 with 33 home runs is about as good as you're going to get. He had he had 22 home runs last year.
Starting point is 00:19:07 He was on pace for 27 in 155 games. He was hurt. Yeah, I know. He was on pace for 27, though, in 155 games. Then 33. So he's usually around 30 homers, right? And where is he finished? Where is Jose Abrae who finished in Roto in his seasons first at first base?
Starting point is 00:19:26 6th, 15th, 3rd, 17th, and 8th. So he's just been kind of all over the place. I actually don't really like Anthony Rizzo. and Roto. And I said that when we did the first base preview. He was someone I was avoiding. Rizzo is much better in points leagues, but he really doesn't stand out from a power perspective.
Starting point is 00:19:43 He's good, but not great in batting average. What he does is he walks. So if you're an OBP league, you definitely go Rizzo. If you're in batting average league, I'd still take Rizzo because I think he's safer and he's younger, obviously. But there's more of a case for value
Starting point is 00:19:59 with the Brayu. I agree with that. I I think if we're just talking about the five by five categories, which is what this argument was framed around, I expect their outcomes to be pretty similar. I think they'll hit 2A to 290 with about 30 homers, and maybe Rizzo will score more runs. Maybe Abreu will drive more in. It'll be similar.
Starting point is 00:20:22 So from that perspective, a brayu is a better value, but that's obviously not reason to rank Abrayu ahead of Rizzo. Like you said, Frank, You said three of the past six years of Brayu's finished ahead of Rizzo. Well, I can only assume that means three of the past six years of Rizzo finished ahead of a Bray. I think you said three of the last four. You said three of the last four, no?
Starting point is 00:20:43 No, three last four. Why am I not hearing anything? Wait, hold on. I just want to make one big point. First base sucks after the top two or three. It doesn't suck, but it doesn't suck. It doesn't suck, but it's really like, is it Rizzo, LeMayhew, is it Bell, Muncie, Olson, Goldschmidt, Carlos Santana, Jose Abrao. It could be any way.
Starting point is 00:21:03 of them. It's a big drop after Bellinger, Freeman, and then maybe Alonzo. My issue with the Bray is just he's kind of a floor pick and he's a 33 year old floor pick. So I just, I struggle with that because it's possible the bottom drops out
Starting point is 00:21:19 for him in a way that like we've seen for Paul Goldschmidt over the last couple of seasons where there weren't really signs of it two years ago. Then 2018 starts to slip a little bit. 2019 we really see him start to lose it.
Starting point is 00:21:35 Yeah, I definitely agree that he's a floor pick, and that might be a roster construction thing, where if early in your draft you take a lot of upside plays or later in your draft, you plan to take a lot of upside plays, if you just want someone who's a little bit safer and can provide that floor, I think Jose Abraeu gives it to you, again, from a Roto perspective, is someone that I am targeting. I have him in a few leagues that I've drafted already so far for this upcoming season, assuming we have a season, hopefully we do. I think this is a good way to transition.
Starting point is 00:22:02 You mentioned players potentially bottoming out here, Chris, and part of the five stats that I have gathered from Scott's 48 amazing stats article, and I've got to say they really are amazing. I quote tweeted it the other day, and I sent it out, and someone said that I was like advertising for CBS already, which I guess I kind of was doing, but I actually really did enjoy the article. So that's why I wound up tweeting it out.
Starting point is 00:22:25 But the first stat that I wanted to mention here, Scott, was you had last year, Juan Soto had a 282 batting average, 34 home runs, 110 RBI, and a 949 OPS. Over the past six years, Nelson Cruz has averaged a 285 batting average, 41 home runs, 105 RBI, and a 916 OPS. So I think when you bring up the possibility of Jose Abraeu potentially bottoming out, people have that same fear with Nelson Cruz, and that's kind of why he goes as late as he does. The main question I wanted to ask you, Scott, was, is this an indictment on Juan Soto,
Starting point is 00:23:00 this stat that you provided, or was this a pro Nelson Cruz stat? Listen, the 48 stats were presented without commentary, so you can come up with your own commentary. I followed this one up with actually a very positive stat about Juan Soto because I
Starting point is 00:23:15 didn't want to make it seem like I was down on Juan Soto. It was more to put in perspective just how good Nelson Cruz and how reliable he's been. I wanted to do some kind of comp like this, I struggled to find a good comp that made the point because so few players that we
Starting point is 00:23:38 think of that put up stat lines like Nelson Cruz has been putting up the past six years have been around for six years. Like I wanted the parallel of six years versus six years. But like six years is a long time to be that good. It doesn't matter how old you are. I mean, just like Nelson Cruz started being that at an old age. But like even if you look at younger guys, nobody doing that sort of thing over six years. So that was more the point. I feel like I'm a little low on Nelson Cruz, even among the consensus. You pointed out, everybody has them kind of low because there's that fear at 39. The bottom's going to fall out. But I think I might be overdoing it, because that is, that's an amazing stat. Yeah, and I love Nelson Cruz this year. I'm a madman. I've
Starting point is 00:24:29 already drafted eight leagues that I'm going to wind up playing out. And I have him in three of those. And last year, he played 100 in just 120 games. He was the 26th best hitter in Roto, ahead of names like Labor Torres and Ozzy Albies, who are consistently going in a third rounds of drafts right now. And he was the seventh best hitter in terms of fantasy points per game in points leagues as well. So there's really no sign of decline when it comes to Nelson Cruz. You look at the stack cast page and all of his batted ball data, it lines up with either where he's been or. or it's even better, which is just crazy to imagine at his age of 39 years old. But is it just a case of the age?
Starting point is 00:25:08 Is it because he's utility only? It's both, yeah. Yeah, Adam, you know, look, his ADP is at 82. I mean, if he comes anywhere close to what he did last year, and again, he only did that in 120 games, he's going to be worth that draft position, no? Absolutely. He's so good.
Starting point is 00:25:28 I totally am in on Nelson Cruz. If I had eight leagues, I'd hope to have him in three of them. I did take them actually in the 14 team league. I have Nelson Cruz. And I like not having to fill up my DH spot with a top five pick or something like that. You know, being able to get them in the 80s, have the core of your team, and then getting a guy who's going to be your DH. It's a lot easier to do because I really almost never had David Ortiz,
Starting point is 00:25:53 which was probably a mistake, but I couldn't commit to putting, to filling my DH spot. It takes so much flexibility away from you later in the draft. But doing it in the 80s is so much better than where you said to take David Ortiz. All right. Next stop, I have Marcel OZuna's 241 batting average came with a 257 babbip and an expected batting average of 288. No other player had a bigger gap between his ex-Woba, 382, and his actual Wobah,
Starting point is 00:26:23 which was 336 according to statcast. his 49.2% hard hit rate was the 11th highest in baseball ranking between Jorge Soler and Christian Yellich. So Scott, Ozuna was perhaps the most unlucky hitter in baseball last season. He now plays for your brave. So congratulations. What do you see as a realistic five-by-five projection in terms of just batting average runs, RBI's, RBA, Sullen bases, and home runs? I think I got that right. Well, it is worth mentioning that he consistently underperforms his expected stats,
Starting point is 00:27:01 though last year he kind of took it to a new level. I do think there's a chance he still blows away people's expectations just based on what the expected stats are showing. Realistically, I would take kind of, I guess this is going to sound pretty lame, but I would kind of average the last three seasons, which includes that, amazing 2017 season with the Marlins where he was an all-star and got some MVP votes. He had 312 with 37 home runs and 124 RBI that year. Obviously, that's not going to happen. But if you take kind of the midpoint between those last three seasons, you're talking about a 281
Starting point is 00:27:40 batting average, 30 home runs, 100 RBI. Obviously, he'll have to stay healthy to achieve that. But that seems realistic for Marcel Ozuna. And that's a pretty damn good season. So, Chris, I mean, Marcel Ozuna, Eddie Rosario, and Nick Castellanos. I know Nick Castellanos is someone that you like a lot this upcoming season, but they're all going within nine picks of each other in ADP. And these are three outfielers that I've really kind of struggled to differentiate because I think that they do a lot of similar things where they're not necessarily going to give you stolen bases, but no solid batting average and good power numbers as well. They're all going very close to each other. So Chris rank Marcelo Zuna,
Starting point is 00:28:19 Eddie Rosario, and Nick Castellanos for this season. I think I would go Ozuna, Castellanos, Rosario. I don't think the underlying skill set for Rosario is nearly as strong as it is for Castianos and Ozuna. You know, the one thing about Ozuna is he did steal, what, 12 bases last season, which was, I believe, a career high, but it's not, you know,
Starting point is 00:28:44 or the doubled his previous high. He's athletic enough to do it. He was with a new team, so we'll see what the Braves do with him. But I just think that the underlying skill sets for both Castiano and Ozuna are much stronger than it is for Rosario, who was awesome last year, 32 homers, 109 RBI. He only had an 800 OPS. I just, I struggle to draft guys who are good in fantasy but aren't that good of hitters in real life.
Starting point is 00:29:12 Just because I feel like at some point, you're just leaning on something unsustainable. And that's how I feel about Rosario. Yeah, I think that's fair. I mean, the OPS is always going to be low for Rosario because he just doesn't walk all that much. 4.4% career walk rate and a 309 career on base percentage. But you look at the batting average, each of the past three seasons, 276, 288, 290, and the power continuing to spike as well.
Starting point is 00:29:38 In that lineup, you know, it's just the Bamba squad, the Minnesota Twins, man. It's hard to find another team that hits as many home runs as them. But, yeah, there you go. So you had it, Ozuna Castellanos. Rosario in that order. Yes. No, no, I had Castianos.
Starting point is 00:29:53 Well, you said Castiano's second. Yeah. Because it caused me by surprise. Ozuena first because of the speed, I think. Okay. I've actually moved Castianos ahead of Osuna. So you made such a strong case for Castianos that I'm now higher on him than you. I, you're doing a good job, Chris.
Starting point is 00:30:14 Yeah, I mean, look, it's really close. I think there's a gap between Rosario. and Ozuna slash Castiana. So I like those two guys quite a bit more. All right. Next step we have here is Edwin and Carnacios. 3.68 head-to-head points per game tied him for fourth among first baseman last season behind only Cody Bellinger, Freddie Freeman, and Josh Bell. We all know that he's likely going to miss some time because he has done that each of the past two seasons.
Starting point is 00:30:42 And he's getting up there in age, obviously. But 34 home runs and 109 games last year still walks a ton. so that's great for points leagues. Scott, I wanted to ask you, Edwin Encarnacion kind of, to me, represents that cliff in first base rankings. And Adam mentioned this earlier, that first base is, you know,
Starting point is 00:31:01 after the top three, it kind of like really, really slows down. And I think, you know, when you talk about Edwin Encarnation, I have him ranked 15th at the position at first base, and he really represents that cliff for me where, you know, if I'm getting a starting first baseman, he is the last one that I would,
Starting point is 00:31:18 and feel comfortable with. Does that make sense? Is that something that you would agree with? Yeah. Although, to be honest, I've had a hard time being comfortable with even him. I don't, I can't recall a draft. I can recall a draft where I missed out on all of them, including Incarnacion, but I can't recall a draft where I actually had to, I was compelled to, you know, I missed out on first baseman, and so I took Incarnazion when the time came to do it. I don't know why. Like, I'm the one who put this stat out there, obviously. I understand that particularly in a points context where you don't have to worry about him hurting you and batting average or anything like that.
Starting point is 00:32:01 He was still very productive. But I don't know. I struggle with this one. I just don't feel like it's going to be a good season for incarnasian. And I don't have a good explanation for it. It's just he's getting older. and I feel like if the White Sox have other options, they might want to mix in a DH.
Starting point is 00:32:24 And you're right, Scott. I don't know. I just have a bad feeling about it. It's a totally justifiable feeling. Look, I think I felt that way about Nelson Cruz last year. I felt that way about Edwin-Encarnassion last year. And I'm risk-averse, I guess, sometimes. So I don't want to put too much stock into aging players.
Starting point is 00:32:44 But Encarnatioen goes late enough where I've been eager to take him. I got him for $3 in our auction league. So, yeah, I mean, I'm still pretty high on him. And he seems like a lock for 30 homers and 100 RBIs. His batting average is terrible. But if you can get over that and you're getting him late enough, I just don't think it matters. I guess I'd sum it up.
Starting point is 00:33:08 I don't want to have to depend on him for my first baseman because he's the last one at a position where most everybody's going to have a really good player. if you're counting on him to be your first baseman in that bad scenario that I'm fearful of does come to pass, you're kind of in trouble. So, like, I'd rather him be my second first basement filling my corner infield spot, utility spot, something like that. And then it seems like a good value at that point. If it doesn't pan out, you have a lot more escape patches. And I think I like that scenario better. Yeah, I'll just kind of wrap up the conversation here on Edwin and Carnaccio, reminding people that, again, 3.3.3.3.3. six, eight head to head points per game. I think he's better in that format because the batting average is going to drain you in a roto league, but he does walk a lot so that plate discipline does help in a head to head points league. And he was tied for fourth last year behind only Bellinger, Freeman,
Starting point is 00:34:02 and Josh Bell. He represents reasons why I don't mind waiting on hitting in a points league, because to me, the pitching, the elite pitching is just so valuable in that format and what they can do on a per-start basis, how many points they can give you, and especially in a two-start week as well. I've always been much more aggressive on pitching when it comes to head-to-head points leagues. And I think this is the reason why. I think players like Edwin and Carnaccio kind of justify that reasoning. All right, next up, Dansby Swanson hit 274 with 17 home runs, seven stolen bases, and an 834 OPS through 88 games last year, before attempting to play through a quadriceps and heel issue.
Starting point is 00:34:41 he was averaging 3.29 head-to-head points per game. At that point, Glaibor Torres averaged 3.28 head-to-head points per game for the season. If you take those numbers, the 17 home runs and seven stolen bases, and just kind of project that over the course of a full season. That's 31 home runs and 12 stolen bases for Dansby-Swanson. And Scott, I'm guilty of this as well because I like Danesby-Swanson and I want to draft him, but I don't have him ranked higher than the consensus.
Starting point is 00:35:16 I mean, why do you think someone like Danes B. Swanson is not getting more love just across the industry heading into the season? Shortstop is loaded. That would be the main reason. I mean, Jorge Polanco is not getting his due either. Corey Seeger, who was a first rounder two or three years ago, he's outside the top 15 or right around 15th for most people. it's just a loaded position.
Starting point is 00:35:40 And the guy who's done it for half a season and his final season stat line ended up not being that strong because he was playing through injuries, it's hard to push him up into a group that that star studded. So I think that's the main reason. But look, in those 15 team roto leagues where the player pool gets stretched pretty thin,
Starting point is 00:35:59 you have to fill a middle infield spot, I think Swanson's a great value. He's somebody who, I don't think I have any shares of him yet, but I wish I did. Yeah, me too. I don't have any shares yet, but I don't mind him. Even maybe, you're probably right, more so in a deeper league, but even in a 12-team league, if you wait on your middle infielder, I think that you can do worse than someone like Danesby Swanson.
Starting point is 00:36:19 Yeah. Chris, doesn't Danesby Swanson have more upside than someone like D.D. Gregorius, for example, who is going about 60 picks earlier than him on average. According to Fantasy Pro's ADP, Danesby Swanson is going at pick 269.8. and D.D. Gregorius is going at 200.4, so even more, about 70 picks. Chris, doesn't Dansby Swanson have more upside than someone like Dedea Gregorius? Yeah, I don't actually think there's much of a question about it. Dede Grigorous is a guy who basically only hits home runs,
Starting point is 00:36:55 and that's where most of his value comes from, and most of the home runs he's hit in his career have come at Yankee Stadium. I think it's something like 57% of his home runs have come there, even though he's only played 40% of his career games there. So it's a really big difference, more so than you would expect for most players. And that's because he's a deadpool hitter. And Philadelphia is a good hitter's part, but it's not Yankee Stadium, especially down the right field line.
Starting point is 00:37:21 And so I just think there's a chance you're drafting a 260 hitter with 25 home runs and basically nothing else in D.D. Regorius. So, yeah, I do like Danzy Swanson. I think the skill set is more robust. All right, it's time for me to pause the show here and introduce our new segment here, Adam. It's New York Sports Radio. Oh, gosh. To you miss D.D. Gregorius, the fact that he's not on the Yankees, because he's actually provided some great moments for me over the past couple of seasons just as a Yankee fan, especially that home run that stands out.
Starting point is 00:37:54 This is a bad idea, Frank, this is a bad idea. This segment is not going to go. People hate us for being New York sports fans. Don't rub it in their face. But Philadelphia fans are going to love Dede Gagorius. He is a better player than you realize. Swanson upside versus Gorgeous upside. I guess Swanson has the ability to be a more well-rounded player.
Starting point is 00:38:15 Before his injury, he was on pace for 27 homers and 35 doubles and five triples. D.D. is kind of an all-or-nothing guy. So I guess I'd have to agree with that take. I think I'm going to end up taking Dansby Swanson in his 14-team league where I've completely punted on short stops. Yes, I miss D.D. Gagorius. and he is Philly's treasure now. All right, no more Yankee talk.
Starting point is 00:38:36 I'm sorry, everybody. Of Lourdes-Guriel's 20 home runs last season, 14 came during a 32-game span from May 24th through June 28th, and I kind of broke down his game to his season to like three different, I guess you can call it, trimesters. First 13 games before being sent down
Starting point is 00:38:57 a 175 batting average with zero home run, so he got sent back down to the minors. when he came back up. That next 32 games that Scott highlighted, 352 batting average, 24.6% strikeout rate. So he lowered the strikeouts, and he hit 14 of his 20 home runs, as mentioned.
Starting point is 00:39:14 And then his final 39 games, he dealt with wrist, knee, quad injuries, and he hit 242. The strikeouts basically stood the same as they were during that phenomenal 32-game stretch, but he only hit six home runs. So, Scott, what do we make of all this? And is Lord is Guerrille
Starting point is 00:39:30 someone that you are targeting this upcoming season? I know a lot in the fantasy industry are really high on Lordus Gurrey-Hellen when you look at the overall the data, the exit velocity, the hard-hit rate, that sort of thing. The strikeout rate is really not that bad
Starting point is 00:39:49 for somebody like that compared to somebody like Fram Bill Reyes, let's say. I get it. And normally the full stat line counts for more. than sort of the segmented statline that we talk about here. But in Gurriel's case, because it was such a sample, a small sample of the season,
Starting point is 00:40:10 and such a big sample within that small sample was clearly outlandish production, clearly unsustainable production. I wonder if that crazy hot stretch pulled up all the data to a point that's making people think he's better than he is. And I don't know the answer for that. It's too small of the sample to really know. But I just, I have a hard time sharing in the enthusiasm for Guerriel because of that.
Starting point is 00:40:40 Say it with me, folks. Full season sample sizes are more predictive than partial season sample sizes. We've got basically one full season of Lordus Guerriel in the majors. He has his 606 plate appearances so far. In those 606 plate appearances, he has 31 homers at 279 average, 85 RBI, 82 runs, and seven steals. That's not out of line with what he did last season either. It's not like, you know, it was one really small sample size carrying it.
Starting point is 00:41:08 We've got basically a full season. The, you know, Scott, you said maybe the small sample size, he got hot and it dragged the expected stats and the barrel rate and exit velocity. But all those things were basically the same as the year before. Well, he slugged 100 points higher last year, Chris. His OPS was more than 100 points higher. But his expected slugging percentage was 463 in 2018, 510 in 2019. I don't expect him to slug 540. But you don't need him to slug 540.
Starting point is 00:41:38 He was on something close to a 38 homer pace on a full season scale last season. He's not going to do that. And you don't need him to do that because he's being drafted late enough where if he's a 275 hitter with close to 30 homers, a little bit of speed and 80 to 80 runs in RBI, that's a value where he's going. I would like to point out that you said full season stampful, I think you said, instead of sample, or at least it sounded that way, which I thought was really cool. Yeah. Frank Stample, full season stample size.
Starting point is 00:42:15 I think there's a team name Tuesday there somewhere. I was, did you notice Chris said Deadpool hitter before? And I was trying to imagine what a Deadpool hitter was. He always said that. They never get injured? Are they whys cracking around the bases? He always says P-U-L is P-O-O-L for Chris. Deadpool.
Starting point is 00:42:32 You know what? You know what? I'm surrounded by two New Yorkers and Scotty Slow Talks. You're going to pick on me for the one word that I mispronunciate. This is ridiculous. But how is Deadpool hitter not one of your team names? spelled like the comic book character. Because I'm
Starting point is 00:42:55 not going to play into your your critiques of my vocal stylings. All right. Great movie by the way. Deadpool, I don't know how hot of a take this is, but I would rank Deadpool just in terms of the superhero movies inside the top
Starting point is 00:43:11 three for me. I think like everyone kind of has Dark Night up there somewhere. But Deadpool, definitely inside the top three superhero movies for me. Is that hot? Deadpool. Too hot? Deadpool sucks. Oh, wow. I've never seen it.
Starting point is 00:43:27 I've never seen it. I've never seen it. I've never seen it. I never saw it. I'm just kidding. It's not top three for me. It's probably not top five. But it's very good.
Starting point is 00:43:39 It almost feels like a spoof of a superhero movie, right? It's hard to rank it alongside the best superhero movies when it's kind of just kind of poking fun at the whole genre. Yeah, it's playing with superhero. motifs. Yeah, I enjoyed it. I mean, I'm not, I'm not saying it's not a good movie, either one of them, one or two. They were both good. Yeah, I think my top three superhero movies are all three of the Batman's Christopher Nolan. Yeah, I'd probably agree with you, though. The original Superman. The original Superman was great. I'd probably put some of the Marvel movies ahead of the Dark Night Rises. Yes. I used to love the Dark Night arises. It used to be my favorite. The more I I've watched it. It's pretty stupid.
Starting point is 00:44:25 I love it. That's making it too. No, but it is. Dude, it's the worst of the three. It's pretty, it's good, but it's pretty stupid.
Starting point is 00:44:33 I do love Bain's stupid voice. Oh, I do too, but yeah, like there's a scene, I tweeted this last week. Like, they're a fight,
Starting point is 00:44:43 they finally face each other to fight in the, in, you know, Gotham when there's the big brawl. And he's like, oh, you've come back to die
Starting point is 00:44:50 with your city. And Batman's just like, no, I've come back to stop you. Yeah. That is the worst line. Come on. As perfect as the Dark Night. And I would include Batman Begins. I actually like Batman Biggins more than the Dark Night.
Starting point is 00:45:05 As perfect as they were. Agreed. Agreed. The lines. Scott. That's too controversial. Dark Knight has one of the dumber lines in comic book movie history, too. What is it?
Starting point is 00:45:20 Why do you get to do that? do this and we don't because I'm not wearing hockey pants so stupid. Did that really happen? I like that one. It's really dumb. He was making the point that he that he's just rich. That's the only reason he gets to do it
Starting point is 00:45:37 is because he's rich and can afford better equipment. Connected, yeah. Well that's, is he wrong? Like, he's better protected than those people are. That is not the critique that that movie means to be saying. All right, so I've already been told multiple times that I'm like the new Heath Cummings for liking Cesar Hernandez.
Starting point is 00:45:57 And I pointed it out earlier today on the Facebook page that I also love Ian Hap. So I'm also going to keep a running thread of bad things, bad takes that Adam Azer has made with me on the show here because I know that's something Heath Cummings likes to do. So Deadpool sucks is definitely at the top of the list for me. I was joking. Come on. I never seen. I never saw it. It was trolling. I was joking.
Starting point is 00:46:17 I might have to start one for Scott White too after saying Batman. begins over dark night just got that out there i have a lot of controversial opinions and they never get the same traction adams do so frank you're running into an issue that i often run into is that our show is going longer than we expected so my recommendation for you is let's do a mailbag tomorrow and postpone our emails till tomorrow all right so that's what we'll do yeah and this is going to be admittedly a learning on the job process here in terms of timing so i will try my best to uh to get through that And we'll have the mailbag. We'll have some emails on tomorrow's show, as Adam mentioned. I did want to get to the round 16 through 18 ADP because I know that's something that we wanted to do yesterday, but of course, due to my rambling, we didn't get to that.
Starting point is 00:47:02 So I did want to get to it today. And round 16 is where we wanted to pick things back up. I know that you guys kind of finished this off with around 15 a couple of days ago. So I'll throw this to Chris for, I know that this was an article that he wrote, his favorite picks from each round. in fantasy baseball this season. Just a reminder, round 16, the picks at that point. That's 181 through 192. And according to Fantasy Pros, ADP, that would include Brian Reynolds, Scott Kingery, Lance McCullors, Luke Weaver, Mike Fultenevich, Giovanni Gallegos, Ian Kennedy, Paul DeYoung, Sean Doolittle, Marcus Stroman, Garrett Hampson, and Brandon Lau. So Chris, who is your favorite and
Starting point is 00:47:46 your least favorite pick from around 16. This is where I like to get my relief pitchers. And I really, I've drafted a lot of Sean Doolittle this year, but I really love Giovanni Gallegos. I think this is a great spot for him. It would not shock me if Giovanni Gallegos was the number one relief pitcher in 2020. He's got the strikeout rate, the control. He just needs the job, really.
Starting point is 00:48:08 And I think it's, we'll see because Jordan Hicks could be back by the start of the season now. But I think it's more likely than not. that he's the closer for the St. Louis Cardinals. Yeah, so for me, look, he has all the stuff. There's no doubt about that. Last year, Giovanni Gallegos, a 231, ERA, a 0.81 whip, over 11 Ks per 9, and his walks per 9 were under 2. So he has the swinging miss. The strikeouts are there. The command is great as well.
Starting point is 00:48:34 I just worry about with the Cardinals, there are a lot of names there in the back end of the bullpen. And I guess Gallegos probably presents the most upside. But I've heard the name Ryan Helsley kind of thrown out there that might be given some opportunities. John Brebria has pitched well over the past couple of seasons. It still remains to be seen what they're going to do with Alex Reyes. I think that if he does not make the rotation, which last we heard, it didn't seem like he was going to be in the rotation, that there's a good chance that he's in the bullpen. So maybe he kind of works into the back end there as well. So
Starting point is 00:49:04 I get the upside of Giovanni Gallegos, but I just see a lot of downside as well in terms of is he going to have the job? Yeah, I think that's fair. But at this point in the draft, you should probably expect the player that you pick to not be a huge value and especially the relievers that you pick this late in the draft. So I'm targeting upside there. If he is the closer, I think he's going to be a dynamite one. And the person who is the closer on opening day is not necessarily the person who is going to get the most saves. In fact, at this point in Major League Baseball history, it's probably as likely as not that the person who is, the closer on opening day is not going to lead the team and saves.
Starting point is 00:49:50 Yeah, I would agree. This round's garbage. This round is garbage. I like... I like Leaver, though. I like Laird from colors, too. Yeah, I like some guys, but... I actually love this range, so...
Starting point is 00:50:02 Really? We're off to a great start here, Adam, because I love Brian Reynolds. To me, he represents, like, a kind of poor man's Michael Brantley that can give you batting average late in your draft. Scott Kingery, I think, has the upside to be a 2020 player. Luke Waver, if he stays on the mound, I think we kind of saw last year the steps forward that he took.
Starting point is 00:50:20 I draft him a lot. Marcus Troman showed some more swinging miss potential when he joined the Mets last year. I actually really liked this range. The pick that I like the least, I'm sorry, Scott White, don't hate me. It's actually Garrett Hampson. I'm sorry, Scott.
Starting point is 00:50:34 Okay. Okay. If your steals are taken care of at this point, I don't know that there's much reason to roll the dice on Hampson. But he's a potential 40 steel guy. It's going to depend on how much he plays. It's going to depend on how much that mechanical change he made in September that led to basically half his season's production in that one month or really just a couple weeks time. If that is legit.
Starting point is 00:51:06 But baseball America had him as the team's number two prospect heading into last season. It's not like he doesn't have the pedigree. Things went wrong last year. Maybe it was because his mechanics were off, whatever. But he's capable of playing center field, shortstop, second base. I think he's going to play a lot, and I think he's going to run a lot.
Starting point is 00:51:24 So he's somebody who, especially the premium being paid for all the Steel's guys this year, he's somebody who seems like good value in this format. And frankly, I think he's a sleeper in points leagues too. It's going to come down to the playing time, but the upside is there. I think the difference in opinion just comes down the playing time, right? I just think the Rockies are just going to do what the Rockies have always done.
Starting point is 00:51:46 And Ryan McMahon is still there and Sam Hilliard's in the outfield and they still have Ian Desmond and Ryan L Tapia. They've been talking up recently. So I just worry about the Rockies being the Rockies and doing what they've always done and just not giving Garrett Hampson the opportunity. But I do acknowledge that, you know, if he were given the playing time, he could definitely excel on the stolen base category. Round 17. This is pick 193 through 204. The players are looking at here, Christian Vasquez, Ryan McMahon, Gene Seguera, Andrew Heaney, Luke Voigt, Didi Grigorye, Christian Walker, Justin Upton, Dallas Keichel, Adam Eaton, Jose Urquite, and Carson Kelly. Chris, who is your favorite and least favorite pick from round 17?
Starting point is 00:52:27 His favorite is Luke Lloyd. Love Luke Lloyd. Let me see if I can pick his least favorite. Well, hold on. I'll give the stat on Luke Voight real quick. If you take out the 24 games after he came back from the aisle last season, he's hitting 298 with a 400 on base and a 547 slugging percentage since joining the Yankees. He has the potential to be, like, he could finish as the number four first baseman this year. And it wouldn't shock me. His least favorite is Ryan McMahon because he does not believe Ryan McMahon is a legit major league hitter.
Starting point is 00:53:02 He hasn't been so far. I will say that. It's possible that he turns into one. He was very good in the minors, but so far in the majors, he's only looked okay because of Coorsfield. He's been pretty horrible. Yeah, I agree with Chris's takes, by the way. I was just teasing him.
Starting point is 00:53:22 And I like Andrew Heaney. I like Luke Void a lot as well. It has nothing to do with the Yankees. I just think you... Palmer. Last year before he got hurt. I think it's legit. I think, you know, his approach is one that plays well in Yankee Stadium.
Starting point is 00:53:36 And I'll just throw Justin Upton out there as my favorite pick in this round over the past three years prior to 2019. His average season was 258, 32 home runs, 87 run scored 94 RBI, and 10 stolen bases. And you're getting that going around pick 200. I'll take that every single time. So Justin Upton to me is my favorite pick going in round 17. Last round that we're going to talk about here today is round 18, pick 205 through 216. that includes Keone Kella, Mark Kana, favorite of Scott White, Caleb Smith, Joe Musgrove, Miguel Andhu Har, Kevin Newman, Joe Jimenez, Omar Nirvarez, Brian Anderson, Shinsu Chu, Mark Malanson, and Dylan Bundy. Chris, who are your favorite and least favorite? Or maybe I should throw it to Adam. Adam, who are Chris's favorite and least favorite picks in this wrap? Okay, his favorite pick is Mark Kana. And that is a lot of.
Starting point is 00:54:34 also. I'm not Scott White. Yeah, but still. It should be. It should be. It should be. It's insane. He's going this late. It's like, how is that not corrected yet?
Starting point is 00:54:45 It's probably Shinsu Chu then. No. Okay, then it's Caleb Smith. You don't know me at all. It's Caleb Smith, Marlins, man. You don't know me at all. Marlins. Double play.
Starting point is 00:54:58 Come on Marlins, me, no, you don't know me at all. It's Joe Musgrove. Joe Musgrove and Miguel And Duhar And Miguel and Duhar That's what I was going to say And you don't like Joe Jimenez Because he's garbage
Starting point is 00:55:12 Uh Yeah I wouldn't draft Joe Jimenez Well this is probably a good time to reveal That I've already drafted Joe Jimenez In multiple leagues, Scott Adam Why he's so bad Why is he so bad
Starting point is 00:55:27 He had a 14.8% swinging strike rate last year Over 12Ks per 9 Did he have a 5ERA? 4.37, but, you know, it's not quite five. He's the closer on the arguably worst team in baseball Orioles. I think everybody would draft Joe. I think everybody would draft Joe Haman as if they were desperate enough for saves, right? I mean, he's one of the last guys with designated closers to get drafted.
Starting point is 00:55:56 Yes. Yeah, he's like a low-end closer two or high-end closer three, I would say. If you draft like two or three closers, usually in your roto league. So you have the nine pitcher spots. I think the normal breakdown for most people is probably six starters and, you know, three relievers. I think Joe Jimenez either if you wait a little bit as your second closer or, you know, if you're a little bit more fortunate, you get him as your third closer. I don't think that, I don't mind Joe Amade is going in that range. Again, Shane pitched as the closer for, you know, the first half last year.
Starting point is 00:56:26 And while they only had like 30 wins in the first half, he had like 25 saves in those 30 wins. So whenever the Tigers win games, they're probably going to be close games, Adam. I mean, I guess so, but awful teams usually don't get a lot of save totals, just from what I've seen over the years. I don't know. He's just, he's just not that good. I guess he does strike people out,
Starting point is 00:56:49 but his numbers haven't really been that good. I think we were kind of expecting him to become a really good reliever, and he just hasn't been. I think that's a fair take. We probably have expected him to be better than he has been at this point, But yeah, that'll do it for around 16 through 18 here. And I feel like I have to wrap it up this way, Adam. And I'm going to point this one specifically at you.
Starting point is 00:57:11 Okay. I'm a huge fan of Butterfingers. What do you have to say about that? What the hell is the matter of it? You are lucky. You are lucky that these takes did not get exposed before CBS hired you. Frank, I would have been in HR's office, been like, no. There is a popcorn out there.
Starting point is 00:57:31 you can find that is like it's like a bag of popcorn that has butterfinger like flavoring it's incredible drizzled all over it yeah it's amazing that sounds so great adam i can't think of anything i'd rather have right now than butterfinger flavored popcorn it kind of reminds me of you know you get like the three flavored kind of canister for christmas like the three different flavors of popcorn the butter, the cheese flavor, and like the, I guess it's caramel. Yeah, I love stale popcorn.
Starting point is 00:58:05 Yeah, it reminds me more of my first year working at CBS 2009, or CBSports.com anyway. I was in the office, the old office, and there, for summary, it was around Christmas time, somebody brought in a gag gift that was bacon-flavored everything. It was like bacon-flavored chapstick, bacon-flavored gum. I took the bacon-flavored popcorn
Starting point is 00:58:28 and I went to my friend's house My two friends were kind of beefy guys And we made the bacon-flavored popcorn I was nauseated by the smell of it I could not even be in the room Where it was so disgusting And I had like one or two bites I almost vomited and they ate the entire thing
Starting point is 00:58:46 So they had no problem with the bacon-flavored popcorn But that was the worst thing I've ever had In terms of popcorn Butterfinger popcorn Butterfinger popcorn might be worse than the bacon. What? You know what?
Starting point is 00:58:57 That sounds like a dental floss issue for you, right? Well, it just tells me that that bacon flavored popcorn was probably pretty good. Wow. They thought it was. No,
Starting point is 00:59:07 I guess they ate the whole thing. We watched Taken on Blu-ray. Remember Blu-ray? That was cool. I still have Blu-ray. I still have DVD. I still have a VHS player. Wow.
Starting point is 00:59:19 I don't like that. I have a Nintendo. Blu-ray. Is it like 4K? Is it like 8K now? Is that what we're all? up to? Oh, it's streaming everything.
Starting point is 00:59:28 That's true. Yeah. That is true. Adam, why do you hate butterfingers? I mean, I understand it gets stuck in your teeth, but it's worth it. It's like the taste of a butterfinger is so unique that it's almost worth getting stuck in your teeth. It's, you get to enjoy the taste longer because it's stuck in your teeth.
Starting point is 00:59:44 I just don't understand what's good about it. It really is just a bad candy. I don't know. I mean, what's the, it's just taking two amazing things. things chocolate of peanut butter and somehow making it bad and I don't really understand how they did that. Hats off to them, I guess. All right.
Starting point is 01:00:03 Well, just another terrible take from Adam Azer. We'll have more of those, I suppose, coming up in the next few days, months as well as we ramp things up for the fantasy baseball season. I'll have more of my takes as well. I'll reveal those sporadically over the next couple of shows just so you guys can get to know me so that I can argue with Adam a little bit. Never forget, Adam Azer said that Deadpool sucks, which is one of the best three superhero movies.
Starting point is 01:00:27 I was joking. Stop. You jerk. I was kidding. You're out, Frank. Your homework assignment is to watch Deadpool. Five. I mean, probably not your child because that would not be appropriate, but that's your homework for tonight, Adam. He won't get it. No, don't worry. Yeah, all right, fine. I will watch Deadpool. I will be a Deadpool hitter at some point in the near future. All right, apologies for everyone who sent in emails as well. You can send those over to
Starting point is 01:00:53 fantasy baseball at cbsi.com. have a mailbag type show tomorrow, so we'll get to as many emails as we possibly can. For Chris Towers, Adam Azer, and Scott White, I am Frank Sample. Thank you so much for listening to Fantasy Baseball today, and we will see you tomorrow.

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