Fantasy Baseball Today - HOF Ballot For Active Players; Michael Conforto Deep Dive (04/14 Fantasy Baseball Podcast)

Episode Date: April 14, 2020

Among active players in Major League Baseball, who has the best chance of making it to the Hall of Fame? We'll answer just that but first we deep dive Michael Conforto (6:00). What does Conforto's upside look like? Can he get back to his 2017 form? ... We begin our HoF discussion with the age-old questions, "Should Pete Rose be a Hall of Famer?" and "Should the steroid era be allowed in?" (16:43). ... There's at least a consensus top five among the group. Who are they (21:50)? Mike Trout, Albert Pujols, and Clayton Kershaw all seem like pretty safe bets. ... Next, we get into Chris' Top-10, which includes a few younger players (27:45). Are Juan Soto and Ronald Acuña too far out to project? ... Scott reveals his unanimous Top-11, which includes two catchers (37:32). ... There's a lot of overlap to this point but Frank gives out his final three players on his ballot (43:50). Should closers be in the conversation? Last but not least, we get into an impromptu debate over Nolan Arenado's chances at the Hall of Fame (53:00). ... Email us at [e-mail]. 'Fantasy Baseball Today' is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Google Podcasts, Castbox and wherever else you listen to podcasts.  Follow our FBT team on Twitter: @CBSFantasyBB, @AdamAizer, @CTowersCBS, @CBSScottWhite, @Roto_Frank Join our Facebook group at https://www.facebook.com/groups/fantasybaseballtoday For more fantasy baseball coverage from CBS Sports, visit https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/ To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ Download our printable Draft Kit from CBSSports.com/draftkit! To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to the Fantasy Baseball Today podcast from CBS Sports. What a fantasy question? Email Fantasy Baseball at CBSI.com. Get ready to win your league. Where fantasy becomes reality. Now here's Adam, Scott Heath and Chris. What's up everybody and welcome to fantasy baseball today on this Tuesday, April 14th. Frank here, joined by Chris and Scott.

No acronym today. And you know what, Chris, I'm not in the best mood because we lost in the Sweet 16 of the Fantasy Baseball podcast bracket. The podcast we lost to recruited all of Canada. And apparently Kansas too, according to Jeff Zimmerman. We tried our best, Chris. Unfortunately, we got Slade in the Sweet 16. Yeah, the entire fantasy baseball community basically rallied around our opponents. They required more votes for their win over us than basically.

any other poll got total. And I just want to say to the rest of the fantasy baseball community, the North remembers. We're not salty at all now. It won't be forgotten soon. I knew, look, the little guys are going to unite

at some point to take down the big guys because who wants to see an entity like CBS win this bracket? Nobody. except for us, probably. I thought it would happen next round, but I underestimated the Canadian push there. So, yeah, we were leading for most of the day,

and then things just got out of hand late. And so we were slayed, and that's fine. That's fine. We just need to get better, guys. That's it. Never underestimate Canada. Yes, that is the biggest takeaway here. Never underestimate Canada.

Scott, how's everything going? I hope you're doing better than I am. Oh, yeah, I'm fine. I'm good. All good. Scott's just like, yeah, I'm good. No big deal. Back to work. Back to the grind, fantasy baseball today.

Today on the show, we're going to deep dive Michael Conforto. This came from one of our Apple podcast reviews at Pete. At Big Pete underscore 88 on our Apple podcast reviews. True story, I had to look up if Pete Alonzo was born in 1988 or not because for a second, I thought he was listening to the show, and I thought he wanted us to deep dive Michael Conforto. But it is not Pete Alonzo. He was born in 1994.

Current play, I just, I need to jump in and share an amazing Pete Alonzo birthday fact that I just learned while researching a piece. I'm writing a piece, 12 players who would benefit from the introduction of the DH in the National League. And I discovered Dominic Smith is six months younger than Pete Alonzo. That absolutely blew my mind.

I could not believe that. I don't know if you guys remember Dominic Smith. He actually had a decent season as a part-time player last year. It was a somewhat big prospect. He's been around for three years, and he's six months younger than Pete Alonzo. Apparently, I'm the only one whose mind was blown about this. Nobody else... You love stuff like that.

You love stuff like that. I mean, as somebody who's steeped in prospect research all the time, it doesn't surprise me. But I can understand how it might be surprising to the general population. Wow. Wow. Got you're freaking big time. me. Scott did, man. Scott's fired up today. I like this. He came out fire and throw in some haymakers here. Yeah, Pete Alonzo a little bit older than I think people realized. Kind of reminds me a little bit of Aaron Judge, who kind of broke into the big leagues as an

older prospect. Aaron Judge is 27 years old. I mean, he's, I think, you know, if you told most people that he's older than Alex Breggman. I don't know that most people would realize that about Aaron Judge, but yeah, it's a good point that you bring up about Pete Alonzo and Dom Smith. Speaking of the Mets, again, we'll deep dive Michael Kinforto. And today on the show, we'd like to do this every Tuesday where we either do a draft, we come up with an all-decade team. Today, we're going to give out our Hall of Fame ballots for current players who are still playing, who are active in Major League Baseball today.

So we're going to do that on the show, and then we'll have your listener questions later on via email, Fantasy Baseball at CBSI.com. But I wanted to deep dive Michael Conforto. Make sure to keep sending in your players you want us to deep dive. via Apple Podcasts review, leave us a five-star rating in review and drop in a player you want us to deep dive. I have an endless amount of players, so believe me, if we haven't got to your player yet, we will eventually. Michael Conforto suffered an oblique stream early in spring training, but with the season being delayed, looks like he's going to be good to go when, if the season ever gets kicked off here.

Last season, hit 257, 33 home runs, 90 runs scored, 92 RBI, seven steals, 3.2 fantasy points per game in head-to-head points leagues that was tied for 25th among outfielders last season with Whitmerfield, and Conforto was outfieler 20 overall in Roto leagues. He underperformed his stat-cast numbers. His 262 expected batting average, his 504 expected slug were both higher than his actual numbers, and he consistently struggled against left-handed pitching. Outside of 2018, he posted an 803 against OPS against left-handed pitching in 2018, but last season was in the low 700s, consistently been in the low 700s,

and you look at the second half splits, hard contact went up about 6%, led to him hitting 271 with an 885 OPS in that second half. I don't know about you guys, but I still feel like we have that monster season coming for Conforto, where he can put it all together, hit 275, 280,

900 OPS. He walks a lot, good eye at the plate, solid on base percentage, you know, potentially 30 to 35 home runs, handful of steals. I still feel like that type of season is in the cards for Michael Conforto. Scott, what do you think about that possibility for Conforto eventually breaking out? We saw it a couple of years ago before he suffered that shoulder injury. It was like that first half of that season where he, we really thought that he was kind of coming into his own. But what do you think about that possibility of Conforto ever reaching that? that ceiling that I think that he has.

I was going to take a very different stance here with Conforto. I don't feel like I have a lot to say about Conforto because I think he's basically at a point now where what you see is what you get. And what you get is kind of boring. I mean, he's pretty good power hitter, pretty good on base guy, not great skills in terms of batting average,

not like a great hit tool. And I mean, he's a solid player. He's going to be started in every league he's drafted in. But I don't see a lot of room to improve at this point. He's already overcome the shoulder surgery. He's put together a couple seasons that were virtually identical. There was a difference of five home runs. But the underlying stats were very similar.

And I think this is just who he is. The most interesting thing I have to say about Michael Conforto is he's the guy. I keep comparing Mark Kana to, where if you draft Kana, there's a good chance you're going to get Michael Kifordo numbers, but it's 100 picks later. And yeah, I think I might even give Kana a chance for a higher ceiling than Conforto at this point, because obviously he looked better than Conforto for the time he was a starter last year. So, Comforto's a guy I don't think I've drafted anywhere. I'm usually more excited about the outfielders that come after him. And I don't see him being a big difference maker in fantasy this year, or I'm not holding out hope for him to be a big difference maker ever.

Scott, I'm usually all for the older players who are undervalued in fantasy. So I get why you like Marcana. And I like Markana myself. But he's 31 years old. Canforto's 27. Correct me if I'm wrong. I don't think Markana really had any prospect pedigree. I don't think he really had no big expectations.

At least Conforto, you kind of have that upside play because the prospect pedigree was there with him. Sure, but 27 isn't young. No, it's not. And he has five years in the majors, four of them. I think a couple of them were injury shortened, but four of them more or less full seasons. And like I said, the last two years,

he really showed no growth between 2018 and 2019. I think he's done growing. I think this is just who he is. And I think, like, he's a good player. And I don't think he's being drafted at his ceiling, like 1 15th overall. I could see him being a top 60 player. I could see him having, you know, a season where he hits 275 or 280 and with 35 homers, which wouldn't be that far off from what he did last year.

And provides a decent return on the investment. I just, unless the batting average skills take a step forward and he really can become someone who can hit like 280, 285, let's say, I just have a hard time reaching for him in this environment because guys who hit 255, 260 with 30 home runs are just about the easiest thing to find in the world. Like he's going ahead of Max Kepler who probably has a very similar profile. He's going ahead of Fran Mill Reyes, a guy who we all really like. who has a very similar profile. And so... Higher power ceiling, presumably. And I'm not sure there's that big of a difference between him and Kyle Schwerber, Michael Conforter.

And so what it comes down to for me is just, in this offensive environment, he's not quite a jag, but he's pretty close. There are probably two dozen players who could do what Michael Conforto is likely to do. Actually, there's probably more than who could do that, but there are probably two dozen players who I expect to do something similar,

and a decent number of them are going after him in draft. So that, like Scott, it's not that I dislike Michael Conforto. It's just that I see no reason to make him a priority. Yeah, basic. Conforto, yeah, basic. I hold out a little bit more optimism. Maybe I'm just chasing that 2017 season, and that was the season I was referring to.

He had a 939 OPS that season and wound up missing, a ton of action late in that year. Only played 109 games. Last year was, I believe it, no, 2018 was the year. He was returning from the shoulder surgery and kind of came back a little bit early. And I think he kind of gave him a pass for the 243 batting average in 2018, returning from the shoulder. Last year, another season further removed.

I just still think he can get to that 275, 280 with 30 to 35 home runs and really good counting stats in the middle of that lineup. But you're right. If he hits 250 to 260, he's like a lot of other players in baseball right now. I guess I just have a little bit more optimism in terms of that batting average, that he can come close to that 2017 season again. Chris, why don't you rank for me, can Fordo Michael Brantley and Andrew Benintendi in a points league?

In a points league, I think it's Brantley-Confordo Benintendi. and Brantley's the only one of those three who I actually make any kind of effort to draft. And even then, it's probably more in a Roto League than a points league. I just like Conforto, I think Benintendi, there are similar players who can be found a lot later than him. I'm not sure why you would pay for Andrew Benintendi when Adam Eaton exists. And so that's... Whoa, I thought you were the Benintendi guy here. No, no.

All right. Good to know. Can you guys hear my cat? I can see him. I can see him. I can't hear him, though. David Bowie making a very, you know, his daily appearance, her daily appearance here on the show.

Scott, let's see how well you know your rankings. Conforto, Brantley, and Andrew Benintendi in a points league. I am in the same way, Chris, does Brantley, Conforto, Benintendi, and they're not particularly close. I think Brantley especially, but Conforto also stand out more in a points league. Like I can see myself drafting more of Conforto in a points league than Categories League where you expect them to bring down your batting average a little bit. I would rank him the same as well.

You know, I think Conforto might have a higher ceiling overall than someone like Brantley, but Brantley is still solid as they come. 3.4 fantasy points per game last season. Conforto was at 3.2, and of course, Ben Intendi had the downseason last year only averaged 2.8 fantasy points per game. So I would rank them the same order. but I do think Conforto has higher upside than someone like Michael Brantley. I did want to give an update on Trey Mancini,

and this came out earlier today, revealing that he is months, not weeks away from a potential return, and I saw this tweet from Inside Injuries on Twitter earlier. Trey Mancini had a malignant tumor removed from his colon back in March. While he is expected to make a full recovery from cancer, it will be months before he is cleared to play baseball again. It remains possible he misses all. of the 2020 season. So I know that we've been receiving some questions in the email,

some tweet questions as well regarding Trey Mancini. And obviously this is bigger than baseball. It's bigger than fantasy baseball. We're all rooting for Trey Mancini to get healthy and get back to, you know, playing baseball and get back to the player that he was. But that's just an update on where Mancini is at. So if you had some questions regarding, you know, what to do with him from a fantasy perspective, although, you know, his life is a much bigger. matter. There's an update for Tray Mancini.

Before we get into the Hall of Fame ballot, I do just want to remind people that we're giving away three out-of-the-park baseball codes in our Facebook group right now. We have a contest going on. So if you do want to be eligible for that contest, join our Facebook group, and I have a running thread

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All right. Hall of Fame ballot, a very controversial topic in the baseball world. the baseball writers of America vote every year for who they believe should be in the Hall of Fame. And today we're doing that exercise for players who are currently still active in Major League Baseball. Before we do get into that, I just have to get your guys stance on the topic because I haven't heard it from you guys before

and maybe our listeners haven't heard it either. Where do you guys lie on Pete Rose and the steroid era guys being in the Hall of Fame? P. Rose, I have no strong opinion one way or the other on him getting in people. Like if we want to just take it based on what he did on the field, he's a Hall of Famer. I think he's probably overrated as a player historically, but there's no question he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame based on what he did as a player. But I'm not going to fight anyone over it if they think he shouldn't be because the betting, obviously.

And then he also just kind of seems like a bit of a crappy guy. to put it nicely, there are some unsavory accusations about Pete Rhodes. Let's put it that way. So I don't feel strongly one way or the other. On the steroids guys, again, I don't take a, it's not a black and white thing for me. It's not if you failed a steroid test, if you were accused of using steroids, if we have proof that you use steroids, you aren't allowed in the hall thing. For me, you have to take it on a case-by-case basis. If you look at like Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens, if you take when it seems in Barry Bond's case, we pretty much know he started taking steroids after the 1998 season based on the game of Shadow's book.

If you just take what he did before 1998, he's a no doubt about it first ballot hall of famer. He was the only member of the 400 home run, 400 stolen base club. Roger Clemens, we don't know when he started taking steroids. It could have been, you know, anecdotally, it seems like, you know, when he got to Toronto seems like a pretty good, pretty good bet given, you know, the way his career turnaround. But even if you just take what he did in Boston, he's a, again. Again, no doubt about it, Hall of Famer.

And so I think those guys, I'm in. Sammy Sosa probably out, just because I think you can probably say more. Definitively that Sammy Sosa was not a Hall of Fame caliber player without the steroids. So I just think you take it on a case-by-case basis. It's not necessarily a moral issue to me. Scott, if you have, if you're an era-defining star or you have an overwhelming statistical case. I want you in my baseball museum.

So I want, I would have liked Maguire to be in. I want Sammy Sosa in. I'm pretty much willing to let all of those guys in. Mani Ramirez, yes sir. Pete Rose, I could go either way with Pete Rose. If letting Pete Rose in makes it easier

for those steroids guys to get in, sure. I'll take that. I feel like what Pete Rose did in the game was deserving of the ban. that band doesn't have to be applied to the Hall of Fame. They just decided to kind of take MLB's Q and ban him from the Hall of Fame as well. But those don't have to be tied together.

So I don't know. I guess I would rather see Pete Roseanne. But what he did undermines competition, and competition is the only thing that makes sports a viable form of entertainment. So that's why I think there's a difference there than versus the steroid guys who were genuinely trying to win. They were just trying a little too hard to win. You know, betting, potentially betting against your team

is another man when you're managing that team is another manner. Matter, manner, matter. My biggest defense of the steroid era players, and I agree that they should be in the Hall of Fame, and you maybe take it a case-by-case basis. It doesn't need to be every person who, came out of the steroid era that has, you know, monstrous stats. So I agree with both of you guys there.

But my biggest offense of them is that, I mean, there were greenies and amphetamines in baseball way before there were steroids. And, you know, by definition, those are performance-enhancing drugs as well. So, I mean, those dating back to like the 60s, maybe even before that, I mean, those have been... It was soldiers returning from World War II, I believe, was when it was believed to have been introduced into the game. So there you go. Even further than that, you know, the 50s in terms of Greenies being a part of baseball.

So, look, they undoubtedly affected people's ability to play the game. And I think that you take that into account. And I don't think it's all that different while they are different. They are performance-enhancing drugs. So I would agree that, you know, Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, I think those guys should be in. And, you know, eventually... We're going to get some real angry emails for this one. Oh, no.

Eventually Alex Rodriguez. I think he should be in as well. But, Scott, get us started with, let's go around here. Give us your first five players. We have 15 players that are on our ballot, and if they are agreed upon by at least two of us, if they get 66% of the vote. So I got Adam Azers ballot, so we're going to go three. 75% of the vote.

Oh, that is a higher threshold, but that is the actual threshold. That is good, yeah. I like that. All right. So we have the ballot of all four of us, Adam on staycation. and Scott, why don't you kick us off with five players, your top five players in your ballot. I have a feeling that, you know, at least the top five, we're going to agree a decent amount on them. Yeah, so just a word about my process at first here.

The way I broke it down is for this exercise, I didn't want to leave anybody out of the discussion who I thought if they retired today, they're in. And I came up with 11 players that, for me, if they retire today, they're in. And also I'll just start from the top of the list here. And these will probably be pretty obvious. And we can go through it real quick here. But five of my 11, who if they retire today, they're in, Albert Pujols, Mike Trout, Miguel Cabrera, Clayton Kershaw, and Justin Verlander. No disagreements.

That was my top five. I think those are pretty much obvious. Like Mike Trout is trending to be maybe the best player in baseball history. Albert Pooleholz and Miguel Cabrera, really both are two of the pick whatever number, 20 best hitters in the history of the game. Albert Poole is probably one of the five or ten best hitters in the history of the game. There's no question. And then Verlander and Kershaw, in my opinion, there were seven, no doubt about it,

should be unanimous guys. And those are five of the seven. Yeah, clean sweep across the board. I agree. Mike Trout. right now his 72.8 war is seventh all time among center fielders. Mind you, I mean, the guy is not even 30 years old yet. He has four MVP awards. His OPS is currently a thousand on the nose. So that's, uh, he's second among active players in career war among active players

as a 27 year old. He's second. It's insane. It's just, it's absolutely insane. There's no, you can't overstate how good Mike Trout is. But I don't want to lose sight because I think, you know, we've seen so many years now of Albert Pujols just being this kind of fringy, does he really belong in a major league lineup kind of guy that, and he's number one in active war, by a lot. Trout's going to pass him in all likelihood, but you were kind of comparing Poo Holes to Mel Gell Cabrera.

The difference in war there, at least baseball reference war, 100.8 for Pooholes versus 69.5. for Cabrera, there's probably a couple players with more than a 69.5 war who aren't in the Hall of Fame, right? There's a handful of guys who... Probably not any non-steroid guys, I would guess. Yeah, for Pujols, that war that you brought up, Scott, 100.8, second all-time among first baseman behind only Lou Gehrig. 656 home runs, three MVP awards. So Pujol's in there for sure.

I have Miguel Cabrera, Mike Trout. Verlander just broke 3,000 strikeouts last year. He's currently 18th all time. Realistically, I was just kind of mapping this out of my head. He's going to finish at least top 12. It depends how many more years he plays. But, I mean, he has a good shot at finishing top 10 all time in strikeouts. Again, that is Justin Verlander.

And then Clayton Kirschaw, guys, did you know that his 157 ERA plus is first all-time among starting pitchers just ahead of Pedro Martinez? Yeah, it's basically among pitchers with a thousand innings. I think it's Mariana Rivera, Clayton Kirchall, Pedro Martinez. He's going to fall down that list. Pedro Martinez probably the greatest pitcher in Major League history, but I don't know if it's maybe like a little bit of recency bias

that he's lost it a little bit. Maybe it's the postseason stuff. But in terms of limiting runs relative to the era that he played in, Clayton Kirchall's peak is comparable to the peaks of Greg Maddox, Randy Johnson, Sandy Kofax, like whoever you want to compare him to, the first eight years or so of Clayton Kirchall's career are right there with anyone's.

A little bit of an aside here. I did a Legends draft last night, which we're playing out from only the 2000s decades, so 2000 through 2009. I had the 14th pick. It was a 14-team league, and we're going to sim it out on OTP. And I took Pedro Martinez with the fourth overall pick.

His 2000 season, 1.74 ERA, 0.74 whip. So that was... His 99 or 2000 season, it's either one of those is the best season of all time. I don't care about Bob Gibson. MLB.com did a poll recently, and Bob Gibson beat Pedro Martinez in the final for the greatest pitching season of all time, his 1968. Pedro's season was better. Yeah, because you've got to do it in the context of the era, right?

Like Pedro Martinez put up sub-2 ERAs. It was both years of sub 2 ERA, when the league ERA was fought around. Five? Yeah, the late 90s, the ERA for the league was around five. He did it in Fenway Park in the ALE East at the peak of the steroid era. No pitcher has ever been better than Pedro Martinez at his best. I know that's not what we're talking about. I just had to throw that in there.

I didn't know if taking a picture that early made sense in this draft, but I don't think anything makes sense in that draft. But it did take Pedro Martinez. the first time I was ever able to draft him for fantasy baseball purposes. So we got a top five. Did Adam have all those five as well, Chris? Okay. Because I feel like this is where Adam would come in and be like,

whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on. I don't have one of those guys on my list, but it's good to know that he actually does. Chris, why don't you kick us... I have a good Adam impression. Chris, why don't you kick us off with your next five? Let's see if we can get a little controversial here. Yeah, so I think the next...

Max Scherzer and Zach Rankier are the next two on... my should be unanimous list. And then things get a little iffier. I think maybe only one of these guys might be unanimous. I've got Joey Votto, Juan Soto, and Ronald Acuna to round out my next five. So I'm actually from Zach Rankie, Joey Votto, Juan Soto, and Ronald Rukunia. And I struggled with Votto probably the most because it's the balance of should he be a Hall of Famer versus will he be a Hall of Famer? If it's a should he be a Hall of Famer, in my opinion, there's no question about it.

He is one of the best hitters in the history of Major League Baseball. Do not at me again. Don't care if you don't think walking is hitting. That's a silly argument. But Tony Gwynn. He is better at not making outs than like all but 15 players in the history of baseball. And most of those guys don't have color photos on their baseball reference pages. Yeah.

So I... I agree with you on Joey Vado. 14 players in Major League Baseball history have a 300, 400, 500 triple slash, and 13 of those are in the Hall of Fame. The only one who's not is Manny Ramirez. And I guess that goes back to the steroid conversation. If you think he's going to get in, if he should get in, that's a topic for another day.

But I had Joey Votto on my list here as well. The only one that you have that I don't, who didn't even make my top 15. And again, it's tough because it's projecting out a long, way is Ronald Acuna. I don't have Ronald Acuna on my list of 15 active players that will make the Hall of Fame. Juan Soto is one that I do. Again, I mentioned him on the projecting the 2020s team that we did.

I mean, the guy has had at least a 923 OPS in his first two seasons, and those came under the age of 20 years old. So it's just projecting what he's going to do. I mean, he's only going to get better. I truly believe that. Yeah. I, it's, it's, it's, you're being, I think you're looking a little too much, a little too far ahead. Like, totally.

You could say after two years, he's on a Hall of Fame path, but those get derailed all the time. I mean, Tim Linzacum comes to mind. To be. And Longoria comes to mind. To be, I am much less sure about Ronna Acuna than I am once. So. There are any number of reasons why he could just fall off. Sure. But I think he is outside of, and I didn't do this in order.

I have other guys who I think are more likely to make it, who I just didn't put in order. But this is just the order that I wrote them down in. But Juan Soto for me, you look at the guys since the league integrated in 1947, who have at least 1,000 plate appearances before they turn 21. It's like eight guys plus Soto and Harper. Of those eight, four are either in the hall. Fame or soon will be. And Juan Soto has been by far the best of them. So just getting the amount of playing time that he's gotten at the age he is makes you extremely likely to be a Hall of Fame.

Then you add in that basically the guys who were who have been as good or better hitters than him in baseball history at his age, it's Melot and Tony Colliglier. Tony Colligliero. Melot is a Hall of Famer. Tony Colligliero. If you look at his baseball reference page probably could have been his numbers don't pop off the page but a lot of that's because he played in the deadball era of the 60s and 70s when offense wasn't as great and his career was derailed by injuries now that could have happened to on soda but i'm betting on the talent and the age turning into a hall of fame caliber play it's it's just such a crowded exercise to begin with and you're asking a lot to go very right for a long time yep i am you're loud

It's just, I don't know. It's too big of a leap for me, especially considering who I'd have to leave off in order to make it. That's totally fair, but it's my list, Scott. Yeah. Scott, who did Chris have on his list of five that he just gave out? Chris, can you give us those again? Max Scherzer, Zach Rankie, Joey Votto,

Ronald O'Conno, and Juan Soto. How many of those do you have on your list, Scott? So the other three were not only among the 15 I want to vote for here, but the 11 that I think retired today and they're in. Zach Granky, Max Scherzer, and Joey Votto. I think of those three, the one who might have the toughest time getting it is Zach Granky, because I think some people will look at his career and say, ah, it was just a compiler.

But, you know, he did win one Cy Young Award. he very well could have won another. Some people would argue he should have that year with the Dodgers where he led the majors in ERA. I think twice overall he's led the majors in ERA. He tends to get overlooked among pitching grates, but the accumulation of his career certainly puts him in Hall of Fame territory. I mean, he's fourth among active pitchers,

among active players in career war, according to baseball reference. actually ahead of Miguel Cabrera. And he does have high enough peaks there with those sally uncontending seasons that I think he absolutely should be in the Hall of Fame. And I think he will be. I'm less pessimistic about Joey Vado than Chris is. I know Chris likes getting in Joey Voddy arguments with people online,

but I think the Hall of Fame electorate has, particularly in more recent years as some of the turnovers happen there, they've become a little more advanced in their thinking than general Twitter user. So, I mean, you just look at the amount of black ink on Joey Votto's baseball reference page. Of course, he has an MVP award. Of course, he's come close to winning others, six-time All-Star, even by traditional or traditional measures. Oh, no, the black ink's mostly on-base percentage, but it's ridiculous, the on-base percentage. So, yeah, I think he's going to be in it when all said and done.

He's just really short on counting stats. He would probably need another three or four decent seasons to really get there. Because you're looking at less than 1900 hits right now. Yeah, but all the walks have robbed him of hits. I agree. I agree. And you look at the war. I think most people look at war first and foremost.

You don't get into the Hall of Fame by walking. If there's one thing, like even now, not making out remains an incredibly under valued skill. To put this in perspective, we mentioned Miguel Cabrero was 12th among first baseman, all time in war, 69.5. Joey Votto is at 62. So not completely dissimilar. And the average of 21 Hall of Famers who are in the Hall of, who are from the first base position, their average war is 66.9. So Joey Vado, not far off from there. Chris, do you think that he maintains? the 300, 400, 500,

triple slash because the way that he's played the past couple of seasons, if he plays for two or three more, or maybe even more than that, if he plays into his 40s, there's probably a good chance that he's going to fall below that threshold. Not that he needs that, but it's pretty cool on the resume to see the 300, 400, 500.

So that's the thing, is the likelihood that he gets to some of the counting stats that would make him more likely to get in, like maybe 2,400 hits, 2,500 hits, 350 home runs. The more likely it is that he gets to those, the less likely it is that he stays in the 300, 400, 500 club. I think the 307 batting average that's closest to that sort of arbitrary line. So I think it's least likely that he gets there.

But, you know, we'll see. You know, he definitely is in decline right now. And that makes the case harder because if he doesn't have the big, rate stats or the counting stats, it's going to be a lot harder. So that's why I'm a little pessimistic that he does get in, even though if it was up to me, you know, when I made the czar of the Baseball Hall of Fame and I just get to decide who gets in, he will get in.

No question. It's worth noting because I do think it makes a difference. The media loves Joey Votto. They love him. It is very well liked. They do. I'll point out for Granky, my defensive. and I agree Granky should get in,

whether you agree he's an accumulator or not. I mean, you're talking about two of the best single ERA seasons that we've seen since the turn of the millennium come from Zach Granky, a 2.16 in 2009 with the Royals, and then in 2015, again, with as many home runs being hit as there are now, and there's been more home runs hit the past couple of seasons than there were in 2015. But a 1-66 ERA, that's really, really special there.

that's part of my argument for Zach Rankie. I do think that he should be in the Hall of Fame. Scott, did you reveal your six through ten amidst kind of battling it out with Chris there? No, no, I haven't revealed any others. So I think we've talked about seven of the 11 that would be in if they retired today for me. The other four, and I'm surprised he hasn't been mentioned yet,

though I know why. Robinson Canoe. I am putting Buster Posey in. I am putting Yadier Molina in. And actually, I think those are the last three. I think we had already talked about eight. So Robinson Canoe, Buster Posey, Yadier Malina. And then to give you two more Mookiee Betts and Jose Altuve.

Betts and Altuve, I'm not saying they're in if they retire today, but they are well on their way, especially Betts, who's already over 40 war, as a 26-year-old? That's incredible. So, yeah, Betts is there for me as well.

Yeah. Uh, yeah, so... Go ahead, Chris. Of the guys you just mentioned, Bets and Posey are the only ones who made my list, actually. Uh, Canoe, another one where if it was my vote,

I would put him in. I think it's less likely he gets in than, like he deserves to be in in my opinion he is just a steroid issue right i mean if if he hadn't failed pet test a couple years ago he'd he'd he'd get the he'd get the adrian beltray retirement tour he'd be yeah there's no question he'd be a first ballot hall of famer yeah i think we're at agreement there i did have robinson can't know on my list um 68 war the average war for a hall of fame second baseman is 69 and a half and he's career 302 hitter 324 home runs

is second all-time at the position behind only Jeff Kent did win the World Series with the Yankees back in 2009. So it comes down to the steroid issue. I do have Robinson Canoe on my list. I have Buster Posey on my list. The one that I don't have there is Yadier Molina. And that might be an omission. He probably is a Hall of Famer.

Chris, do you have Yadier Malina on your list? No, it ultimately comes down to how much you value the sort of defensive stats that we're only just now getting better at at measuring stuff like pitch framings, the defensive metrics in general for catchers, but also a big part of his case comes down to the sort of intangible stuff. The, you know, the manager on the field, the pitch, the handling of the pitching staff, all that stuff that is just really hard. I think on as a hitter, he probably falls short.

Even at catcher, I think he falls a little bit short, although the peak seasons were very good. So I think you have to put a lot of weight on the kind of intangibles that we can't measure. And I'm not saying that we shouldn't put weight on those things. The Hall of Fame's been around for a very long time. And these kind of numbers that you're referring to have to. not been around for very long. So obviously people were making these decisions without those assists for most of the Hall of Fame's existence. And like catcher's always going to be a difficult position to measure because I don't feel like we're, I don't feel like what a catcher. The way,

the many ways a catcher can excel are fully accounted for in war. So the war always seems suppressed for catchers. But even having said that, Molina has, It's a little better on fan graphs than baseball reference, so I'm going to cite the fan graphs number 54 career war, which is higher than even Posey, who we're all saying is in. He's a nine-time All-Star. He's a nine-time gold glove winner. I understand those aren't the most definitive metrics,

but it certainly says a lot about how the way he was perceived when he was playing. and my criteria, I'll mention it again, era-defining players and or, you know, especially good statistical cases. Molina, I think, is among the former, just because of the amount of hardware he's gotten. Sure. So, yeah, I think he retires today he's in.

If mine went to 20, he probably gets in. I've kind of softened my stance on him a little bit. I think he's probably a player who's been a little bit overrated for his career. I think he gets a lot of credit for the Cardinal's success when they've had really, really good players throughout his career. And it's sort of weird how a lot of the Cardinals success throughout, really the last 20 years, they've been remarkably successful as a franchise. So little of that, the credit for that has gotten shared.

You know, you look at a guy like Jim Edmonds who basically was on the ballot for one year and then was off, even though he, you know, had eight gold gloves and 400 home runs and was an amazing player. Scott Rowland, very much a borderline hall of famer. And then, you know, obviously Albert Poole's, but they also had great pitching. And so it's an interesting case. I think Molina would be fringy for me. But I don't have a problem with him being with you voting for him. Yeah, and the pitching might actually lend itself to the intangibles of Yadier Malina, right? I mean, the ability to call a game and handle a pitching staff. I mean, so much of, you know, obviously the pitchers are talented that he's worked with. Like, yeah. Adam Wainwright was really good.

Right, right, right, right. Right, right need Yadier Malina to be really good. Like, I just don't know how to balance that. That's, that's the thing. Like, it's not like Lance Lynn left St. Louis and was just hopeless. He had the best season of his career after he left San. So it's just, it's really hard. for me to balance these things. Again, not saying that he shouldn't be in. He's just more borderline for me. So you guys have named 12 of the 15 players that are on my list so far. So I'll just reveal the final three that I have here. And I'm sure this will cause some debate. Everyone argues whether or not relievers and closers should be in the Hall of Fame. But I do have Craig Kimbril on my list of 15. And then rounding it out, I have Alex Breggman and Cody Bellinger. So that comes back to projecting, but Cody Bellinger has 111 home runs hit, and he's 24 years old. So, I mean, if you just want to talk about projection, it has to be a long career,

and he has to stay healthy, but based on that pace entering his prime, it seems like Cody Bellinger would be able to come close to 500 home runs, a mass 500. Again, it's a lot of projection. Alex Bregman has been over a seven war player each of his past two seasons. I don't know if voters will take much of the cheating scandal for the Houston Astros into account when looking into potential Hall of Famers. Scott had Jose Al-Tuvae on his list. And with Craig Kimbril, you just look at the save accumulation.

And 326 career saves, let's say he saves 100 more in his career. You're talking about top five and saves all time with, you know, as of now, he has a very, he has a low-toos ERA. He's going to rank up there in terms of strikeouts for relievers. So that's just like a whole different conversation is like should relievers and closers be in the Hall of Fame? But since they are being inducted into the Hall of Fame, I think Craig Kimbril being looked at as the face of the closer position

for this decade, the past two decades, really, is the reason why I would have him in the Hall of Fame. So that rounds out my top 15. The other ones that I had on there, Mookie Betts I agreed with, Buster Posey. But yeah, Alex Breggman and Cody Bellinger are two of the younger players that I'm just kind of projecting out that are on my list.

Yeah, so I mean, if I'm going to take the stance I did with Acuna and Soto, where they're just too far out for me to say with any great certainty right now, then it would have to apply to Bellinger to, though to a slightly lesser extent. But just to do the comparison here between him and Mookie Betts, just to give you a sense of what I'm talking about, how much more they have to accumulate still. Cody Bellinger, who is well ahead of Ocuna and Soto in this regard, he has 17.3 career war, Mookie Betts, 41.8. I mean, Mookie Betts is like 20 away. He's two-thirds of the way from being automatic. He's two-thirds of the way toward being automatic himself. So that's how I distinguish those. I think in the case of Craig Kimbril, he's not somebody I had much difficulty leaving out. However, if you're telling me I have to include a reliever, he would be the obvious one to include. And I might go so far as to say, inning for inning, he's the best reliever ever.

It's just, that's what I'm going to say. It's just like as difficult as catchers are, as difficult as it is to vote catchers into the Hall of Fame, to assess Catchers Hall of Fame candidacy. It's much more so for reliever because they're never. going to have the kind of war that really enters them into the discussion. So it's just kind of a, it's really just an era-defining quality that makes them eligible in my mind. And Craig Kimbrel was considered the best for a long time. Was it long enough? Especially if you're fearful after the last couple years that he's in steep decline now.

It's hard to say. He has three or four good years like he's already happened. I think he has a pretty easy Hall of Fame case. It's really hard because we're just at the beginning stages of defining what a Hall of Fame caliber closer is. You look at the first few Hall of Fame closers to make it where guys like Bruce Gossage and Dennis Hackersley and guys who really didn't look like modern day closers. So among the quote unquote modern day closers who are in, it's basically what, Lee Smith, Mariana Rivera, Trevor Hoffman.

Trevor Hoffman? Yep. Like, in terms on a per inning basis, there's no question Craig Kimber was a better pitcher than Trevor Hoffman and Lee Smith. But he doesn't have the longevity that those guys do. So what are we going to be valuing for closer? I don't think you can really compare anyone to Mariana Rivera. The combination of dominance and longevity is just, it's unmatched. But I struggle with it because, like, Billy Wagner is actually a very comparable pitcher to Craig Kimball.

and he hasn't really gotten close. So I do struggle. I do think Closers should be in the Hall of Fame. I think the Hall of Fame should reflect the way the game was played. And it would be stupid to leave out very valuable players like Craig Kimbril just because they don't start. I think that would be dumb. But I don't know what the criteria is ultimately going to end up being for the Hall of Fame

for Closers. And that's what makes it hard for me. He's another guy didn't make my top 15. No problem with him actually. getting it. I would, you know, given an unlimited number of votes, I think he would get mine. Chris, who's left on your list of 15 that we haven't mentioned yet? I've got three who didn't get mentioned. And it's sort of surprising. Christian Yelich, who sort of late peak will see how long he can sustain it. But if he keeps this kind of peak up

for another two or three years where he's in the conversation for best player in baseball, I think he's going to be a pretty easy one because he did get a pretty early start. his skill set should age relatively well. Jacob deGrom is an interesting one. I'm kind of, I'm a little surprised nobody else mentioned him. You know, I'm doing a post for CBSSports.com that'll be on the actual MLB site. And so I'm polling kind of the rest of the MLB staff, the editor and the writers. I'm not sure if anybody else has mentioned DeGrom, which is interesting.

You've got, again, so far a very short peak and he's older, so we don't know how much he's going add to it, but to Syung Awards, a 2019 season that, or a 2018 season that is in that Zach Granky conversation among the best we've seen in a long time, a 2020 season that wasn't that far off. You know, he's very similar to Cory Kluber, who's another guy considered. But there's, I have another starting pitcher on my list that Chris said. Yeah, Chris Sale. Chris Sale is among my 15. highest strikeout rate of all time. Well, I mean, comparing him to DeGrom,

45.4 career war for sale versus 33.3.3 for DeGrom. I mean, the problem with DeGrom is he just peaked so late, that I'm not sure he's going to have enough time to accumulate. Unless he's, unless he maintains greatness into an advanced stage, which pitchers sometimes do for Lander and Scherzer. Certainly come to mind.

Scherzer's a guy you could say peaked late, and obviously he's managed to pull it off. but he also has, what, three or four Sigh Young Awards? So, yeah, well, I guess DeGrom's up to two now, right? The thing with DeGrom, I do think he'll age pretty well. And look, I mean, Chris Sale, you could flip a coin for me with those two. I would expect we'll see more good seasons from Jacob de Grom than Chris Sale, who was showing signs of decline, showing signs of breaking down,

and then is going to miss a full season towards the end of his peak in what might be, you know, we may never see P. Chris Sale again. So the book on his four years of this. Sure, that's possible. But the book on, there's a better chance the book on Chris Sale's career is closer to being written than Jacob de Grom. And then I'm actually surprised I'm the only one who went with Francisco Lindorh among the four of us. He'll only get one vote. But you talk about a player with youth who's already been really, really great at a premium position where you tend to get a little bit of extra credit for being a great shortstop. You know, defense, Hall of Fame voters don't really, even like the old-time

stodgy guys who complain about the game not being played the right way, don't really seem to credit defense as much as they probably should unless you play shortstop, as it turns out. And Francisco Indora is an incredibly good defensive shortstop who's also a great hitter. So I think, you know, we could see another five or six years of Francisco Lindor is one of the ten best players in baseball. And that would be enough to get him in. The shortstop who's just ahead of Lindor in terms of war is Elvis Andrews. So take that Scott. No, I'm just kidding.

There's a lot less of his career left than Lindor's. I didn't give much, I didn't give much serious thought to Lindor just because he's still a little, has a little too much gaining to do for my life. But I can certainly hear that argument. There's one left on my list that hasn't been discussed. And he's on Adams list as well. Nolan Aeronado. He's such a tough one because Rocky players historically have not gotten enough credit in Hall of Fame voting. I mean, Larry Walker just barely got in in his last year.

Todd Hilton's been basically an afterthought. Yeah. But here he is 28 years old. three times led the league in home runs, twice led the majors in RBI, a five-time All-Star, three-time top-five MVP finisher, a seven-time gold glove winner, and already almost at 40 career war. I mean, seems like he should cruise, right? He might be the Rockies player who accidentally gets rated properly.

Because he's actually like, he's probably, another guy who probably is a little overrated as a hitter, so much of his value comes from coursefield. You know, the 40 homers are less impressive when you take into account the fact that he's been a relatively low on base guy and, you know, a lot of it comes from course field. But he's so good defensively that, yeah, he might actually accidentally end up properly rated, but great defensive third baseman have not fared as well as they probably should in Hall of Fame boating as well. Like, he's, I don't know if he's better than Scott Rowland, was it?

his peak. It's pretty close. And Scott Rowland, like I said earlier, is a little iffy in the minds of Hall of Fame voters. Yeah, I don't think, I want to say Scott Roland doesn't have much black ink. And by black ink, I mean, he led his league in something. Scott Roland doesn't have any black ink. Nolan Aeronado already, still fairly early in his career, has, well, eliminating games, because that's some pretty easy black ink. He has six. He's six times he has gotten, he's led his league in something. So that's part of it too. The peak just looks a lot better for Aeronado.

And he may still have a lot of peak left. Yeah. Yeah. And I think you brought up the analogy of writing the book on a career, Chris. And I think for Aeronado, it's still kind of wide open because if he gets traded, I mean, that could completely change the trajectory of his career and the way that his numbers kind of play out. He'll still always be a great defensive third baseman.

and there's no doubt about that. But in terms of affecting his offensive output, if he were to land somewhere outside of course field, I think undoubtedly he would still be a great player, but would he put up the numbers that he has now? I mean, that's the age-old argument for basically every player ever who's tried to make the Hall of Fame as a player from the Colorado Rockies. So we'll have to see what happens there.

But there have been whispers about him potentially being moved, so we'll see what happens with Aranado. Was there anyone? Yes, Scott? Have we gotten everybody's 15 yet? Not Adams. Yeah. Oh, not Adams.

I wanted to find out. And we haven't really been keeping track of whom actually makes it in, have we? You've got 11 guys who have made, who are in the Hall of Fame for the fantasy baseball today. Would you like to hear Adams remaining players who were not mentioned so far? I was interrupting originally because I wondered, we kind of glossed over it. Jose Al Tuvei was on my list and it doesn't sound like he was on either of yours. What are the objections? Are you just worried about the way voters are going to treat?

the Astros scandal? Is that mainly it? A little bit. I think he's someone who's probably going to have to get to 3,000 hits. And it's going to be really hard for him to get there. I looked it up earlier today. And I think he would still need, he started at 21. He was a full-time player at 22. He's probably one of the players most well built in this era to rack up hits. And he probably needs, I think it's something like, nine more seasons of 160 hits to get to 3,000, it's a shockingly high number. If he wants to, I think he can. He's led, he has 200, he has four 200 hit seasons, which I mean,

200 hit seasons, especially today are very rare. And he has four of them. He's led the majors and hits three times. He's already won three batting titles, already won an MVP, already a six-time All-Star, won a couple of stolen base titles,

yeah, I think 36.7 career war pre-age 30 and I do think he's going to age well so he seems like a pretty easy call to me unless there's just continued animosity toward the Astros that lasts

15 years from now to the point that he's being voted on. Yeah, another guy if I had 20, he makes it. Yeah. I worry, I mean for the reasons I worry about Altovae, or actually the reasons I worry about him for fantasy purposes as well. And I do worry about the injuries in, you know, this second half of his

career. He's already dealt with knee and hamstring injuries. He's had surgery on the knee. It's affected his ability to run. Now, he's probably someone who's always going to be able to have a solid bat, but does that affect his ability to accumulate stats if he misses time in the, in the second half of his career? To this point, he's been, it looks like he's on the Hall of Fame track, but in terms of, I just worry about the health. And that's, again, that's something, you know, that I'm projecting out. It's the same as, you know, projecting out a 21-year-old Juan Soto. It's kind of trying to predict something that we have no idea what's going to happen or not. But that is something that I do worry about for the second half career is the health of Jose Altuve. Chris, do we have any

egregious players? We have to have at least one from Adam. There has to be like a Charlie Blackman write-in boat or something. There's some weird ones. The ones haven't mentioned so far, He's got, I think, 10 of the 11 who made our total list. He doesn't have Mookie Betts. That's the one. He has Madison Bumgarner, who I could see. Like, I could see the postseason success. He's still younger than you think.

Like, if he has another four or five good seasons, I can absolutely see Madison Bumgarner getting there. Nelson Cruz, I don't think there's any way. Felix Hernandez, I actually think is a sneaky good pick. The high isn't quite as high as some of the other. guys, the peak wasn't quite as long, but if I had a vote, I would put Felix Hernandez in. He is, to me, one of those era-defining pitchers. He kind of spans the distance, uh, the gap between Pedro Martinez and Clayton Kershaw. You know, there were some other guys were Haldane,

obviously in that discussion, but, uh, Felix was really good for a while. Um, and that's it. He's also got Craig Kimbril. Uh, all right. Let's go at him. So, would you like to hear the 11 who made the Hall of Fame for us. Can I comment on Felix Hernandez and Madison Bumgarner first or we run out of time? You go. Frank's the host. Hit us, Scott.

So Felix Hernandez, the problem is I just don't see him accumulating any more war. Like, I think he's basically done. And it's sad the way his career abruptly ended like that. It's another example of why I'm reluctant to a projection too far out. I feel like 60 war is basically more or less the line for me, you're a Hall of

Famer or you're not. More or less. Some people above 60, I've said no too. Some people below 60. I've said yes too. But more or less the line is 60. And Felix Hernandez right now is at 50.3. Pretty low. Madison Bumgarner is going to surprise a lot of people. 32.2. I'm calling him a bust this year. I think there's a good chance. He's pretty close to being not a high-end contributor anymore, pretty close to not adding much war to that total. And that is super far off. It's going to be another Jack Morris case.

Yeah. Madison Baumgartner, where the postseason exploits just put him over the edge. In Baumgartner's case, he's also hurt by some advanced statistics that are taking into account the great park he pitches in, his 313 ERA, looks a lot better than the 120 ERA plus. So that's one where I think, it depends on the composition of the electorate at that time, but three World Series rings,

several defining postseason moments, arguably the greatest postseason pitcher of all time, whatever. I think there's a better chance he gets in than, probably than Felix, which actually makes me a little sad. Felix was so good. Yeah, I would say, Just based off stats alone, I would want to see Felix Hernandez in there over someone like Bumgarner,

but you do bring up the career defining moments. I mean, there are moments that define baseball, not just, you know, Giants history, but all of baseball. So I get that, but I feel like Bumgarner's part of like the Hall of Really, really, really good with the defining moments. But I don't know that he's a Hall of Famer. At least not for me. Scott, no. Chris, what are the top, what are the 11 players that we have making it into the Hall of Fame based on Act? players. All right. Albert Poohulls, Mike Trout, Miguel Cabrera, Robinson Canoe, Clayton

Kershaw, Justin Berlander, Max Scherzer, Zach Granky, Joey Votto, Buster Pousy, and Mookiee Bets. The only ones who were not unanimous were Joey Votto who Adam did not have, Mookie Bets, who Adam also did not have, Robinson Kano, who I did not have. I believe those are the only non-unanimous guys. So Buster Supposing unanimous, which is a little bit surprising. I'm pretty happy with that list. That's a damn good list. I thought it would be a lot worse. I miss it.

Did you say Wonsoto? No, right? No, you and I were the only ones to vote for Wonsoto. I'm very interested, so there will be a post on cbatsports.com to go along with this podcast that I'm going to do with, you know, Dane Perry and R.J. Anderson and Heath Cummings did one. So, you know, I think we're going to have about 10 ballots, and I'm going to put that together this afternoon, and that should hopefully be up on CBSSports.com later on today.

So keep an eye on that. I'm interested to see how the results change when we add the rest of the team. All righty. I'm intrigued by that as well. Let's see what happens. Keep an eye out for that on CBSSports.com. Apologies, did not get to your emails today. It's because I did not try my best.

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