Fantasy Baseball Today - Must-Add Manning? Pitcher's Duels & the Drop-O-Meter! (8/25 Fantasy Baseball Podcast)

Episode Date: August 25, 2022

Is Matt Manning a must-add (1:15)? ... Nate Lowe has been amazing (7:31)! ... The Rangers enjoyed playing in Coors, even Martin Perez (12:08). ... Add any of Spenser Watkins or Brayan Bello (13:50)? ... Is it time to drop JD Martinez and Ketel Marte (19:00)? ... Add Lars Nootbaar or Oscar Gonzalez (28:30)? ... News (35:43): Giancarlo Stanton will be back Thursday. ... Cade Cavalli will be promoted Friday (36:55). ... Jesus Luzardo and Cole Irvin put on a show (41:30). ... We wrap up with leftovers, bullpen updates and streamers (49:00). Do you want to join the Fantasy Baseball Today podcast as a guest? You can bid on it with all proceeds going to St. Jude's Children's Hospital here: https://www.ebay.com/itm/374225470953 Fantasy Baseball Today' is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Google Podcasts, Castbox and wherever else you listen to podcasts.  Get 20% off Fantasy Baseball Today merch: https://store.cbssports.com/collections/fantasy-baseball-today?utm_source=podcast-apple-com&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=buy-our-merch&utm_content=fantasy-baseball-collection Follow our FBT team on Twitter: @FBTPod, @CTowersCBS, @CBSScottWhite, @Roto_Frank Join our Facebook group at https://www.facebook.com/groups/fantasybaseballtoday Sign up for the FBT Newsletter at https://www.cbssports.com/newsletters/fantasy-baseball-today/ For more fantasy baseball coverage from CBS Sports, visit https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/ To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ Subscribe to our YouTube channel: youtube.com/FantasyBaseballToday You can listen to Fantasy Baseball Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Baseball Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Baseball Today podcast." To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to the Fantasy Baseball Today podcast from CBS Sports. Got a fantasy question, email Fantasy Baseball at CBSI.com. Get ready to win your lead. Where fantasy becomes reality. Now here's Frank, Scott, and Chris. Is it finally happening for Matt Manning? Let's find out. Welcome into Fantasy Baseball today on Thursday, August 25th.

Frank Stanfield joined by Scottie Doe. Scott White. Today on the show is Matt Manning. happening? Is he a must add? I don't know. We will discuss. We've got some pitchers duels, the dropometer, and much more. But let's jump in. Oh my goodness gracious.

All right, Scott, well, I have the breadstick of the day. How do you want to handle this? Go ahead. I'm sure. You know, we'll probably end up splitting the breadstick. I'll, uh, you'll reach for it and I'll give you

kind of the side eye. And they'll be like, you know what, let's just split it. Yeah, that's fair. You know, I'm a generous guy. You know, we'll make it happen. Anyway, let's talk about Matt Manning. Is it time to take him seriously? He was up against the Giants here on Wednesday.

He went six shutout. He gave up five hits, zero walks, eight strikeouts in this one, 16 swinging strikes on 95 pitches, with 12 of those whiffs coming on the slider. And speaking of that slider, the velocity was up about one mile per hour on that pitch in this start. His curve velocity was also up about a mile. And a half. Is that how we say it? A mile and a half? A mile per well where do you get the per hour? Yeah, the per hour has to go in there somewhere the curve was up a 1.5 miles per hour. That's what we'll go with. Okay. He did throw that slider more in this start which has been a very good pitch for him this year

One 90 batting average against a 40% whiff rate. So like we've seen with many pitchers this year, it's you know slider is your best pitch let's lean into that pitch. and that is what's happening for Matt Manning right now. He's made seven starts this season. He's got a 237 ERA. But, you know, he's flashed a little bit since returning here, Scotty. 31% rostered, widely available. What do you think about Matt Manning? Is he a must add?

Well, Matt Manning is he must add. Potentially, like, this is a drastic improvement. For a guy who looked like, you know, there was no such thing as a pitching prospect back, that whole baseball performance. prospectus tin-stap thing. But to the extent that there is such thing as a pitching prospect, Matt Manning looked like a bankable one for, let's see,

five straight years he was a top 100 prospect, according to baseball America, big strikeout rates. And then just before he was promoted last year, things took a turn for worse, for the worse. He had an 807 ERA and seven starts at AAA Toledo that year. So, you know, the Tigers kind of set him up for failure by calling him up then, is what I'm saying. And things predictably went poorly for the 18 starts he made for the Tigers last year. So what we have seen here from Matt Manning lately looks a lot better.

this was his third straight start with double-digit swinging strikes, or I'm sorry, his fourth straight start with double-digit swinging strikes. He had only had two previously in his entire major league career. You mentioned that he got 12 of those swinging strikes on the slider. That seems to be what's fueled his change here, because earlier this year, remember Matt Manning missed time with, I believe it was a shoulder issue. And during that time, he said he worked on the slider. He wasn't satisfied with the way he was throwing it.

He put a lot of work into fixing it. He says it gets a lot more horizontal movement now. It looks a lot like his fastball now. And the numbers seem to be bearing that out. Now, his, you know, I mentioned fourth straight star with double-jizzards swinging strikes. The previous three were against the twins, rays, and white socks. I'm sorry, I got that wrong. The raised, white socks, and angels, three bad matchups, or three favorable matchups, I should say.

And so you wondered, okay, is that why Matt Manning is finding more success now? But then he has this start against the Giants. clearly a tough lineup, a tough matchup, and it looks like his best start yet. So I would say, given the pedigree, the numbers

he put up for most of his minor league career, and these changes he talked about making to his slider, which now has a whiff rate over 40% for the season, that pitch specifically. I would say Matt Manning may

be starting to live up to his potential, and the potential is high enough that, yeah, I don't know that I'd call must add, but I definitely wouldn't, I wouldn't shame anybody for picking him up in any size format at this point. It's too early to say, but he might be a two-star pitcher for next week, too. The matchups would be the Mariners and the Royals. We'll find out more about that tomorrow when we do the week 22 preview, but let's just compare Matt Manning to a few of the most added pitchers right now. Ross Stripling is up to 72%. He is the the most added pitcher on CBS.

Who would you prefer? Manning. Mike Soroka. Manning? Austin Voth. Manning. Eduardo Rodriguez. Oh, I might have to leany rod there.

But that's a close call. I think so, too. Nick Ladolo. I think Manning. Last one, Justin Steele. Also a close call, but, you know, Steel has kept it going for how many starts in a row now? It's probably like eight or nine, I think. Yeah, nine starts, a 147 ERA during that stretch.

So yeah, I'll give the edge to Justin Steele there. Yeah. All right. So Scotty likes Matt Manning quite a bit. And last point on him, you know, I was wondering if maybe he's just finally healthy. you know, he had so much time off this season, but, you know, he had an entire off season to get healthy last year, too, and it didn't really happen.

I remember in the short in 2020 season, he was working out at the alternate training site, whatever it was called, and he suffered a forearm injury, and then last year right before the season, he had a shoulder injury. So it feels like he's constantly dealing with some kind of arm injury. Maybe he's finally just healthy,

and throwing this new slider, which is amazing. So all those things add up to, Matt Manning being a nice waiver wire ad right now. Oh my goodness gracious for you, Scottie, who you got? I'm going to go with Nate Lowe. You had a long time to add him off the waiver wires. Recently, as the start of this week, he was 75% rostered. It's still out there in a quarter of CBS Sports Leagues.

It's gotten up over 80 now just this week. So I guess you missed your chance. In all likelihood, he's still out there in some leagues, obviously. But you've had a long time. add him and I don't know what you were doing because he's been good for a long time. He went three, I'm sorry, he homered for a second straight day on Wednesday. He's now homered in three of his past four games. Since June 7th, a total of 70 games.

70 games, like half the season's worth of games almost. Nate Lowe or Nathaniel Lowe, as he's known in many places, is batting 321 with 15 homers OPS over 900 During that same stretch, 70 games He is the ninth best First Baseman in Points Leagues He is the fifth

Best First Baseman in Categories Leagues 5x5 leagues Roto leagues, whatever you want to call it, Fifth Best Behind, you know, because sometimes when you you take these smaller samples of games, you know,

it's not that unusual for some weird names to pop in there, but just to give you an idea what a 70 game stretch looks like. The only four first basement ahead of Nate Lowe in Categories League's during those 70 games are Paul Goldschmidt, Freddie Freeman,

Vladimir Guerrero, Matt Olson. Wow. Exactly the guys you'd expect. You know, maybe Pete Alonzo you'd expect to be in there as well, but the point is Nate Lowe's up with the best at first base

over a 70 game stretch. And that seems like a bigger deal than it's gotten credit for being. You know what it reminds me of, Scott? The way that Andres Jimenez has broken out this year and it just seems like it's flying under the radar, same thing with Nathaniel Lo.

He's been great, as you pointed out, basically since the start of June. And I always liked him. One thing that, a few things that I liked about him. Last year, he hit the ball really hard. He always walked a good amount. And as a left-handed batter, he hit well against lefties. I love seeing that for young players because, you know, it kind of eases my mind about playing time.

Don't have to worry about platoon, so on and so forth. And this season against lefties, he is actually far better against them than he is against righties. So he's batting 336 with a 960 OPS against left-handed pitching this season. It's really uncanny that he's that good against lefties. He almost has a reverse split thing going on this year. He's been fine against Wright. He's just not nearly as good. So, yeah, just one thing that always stood out to me.

He still hitting the ball hard this year. A big change for him, the launch angle. He is hitting less ground balls this year, putting the ball in the Airmore line drives, and it's all coming together. So you love to see it with Nathaniel Lowe. He is up to 80% rostered, as you mentioned, Scotty. But, yeah, I think very firmly,

a top 20 first baseman probably should approach the top 15. I don't know if you updated your rankings today, Scottie, did you? I did. I'm not sure if I spent enough time on him specifically. Yeah, I couldn't quite get him into the top 20 rest of season because of so many guys who are eligible at weaker positions, plus first base is just kind of the one deep position, but he deserves to be rostered.

He deserves to be started just about everywhere. Yeah, 1,000%. I'm looking at the names just ahead of him in my rankings. Vinnie P RIP, I'm sorry, but he'll be back Don't worry. Brandon Drury has been good all season.

That's fine. Like ProFar has slowed down a little bit. I could see having Nate Lowe over ProFar over Kronowarth for me. It's close between him and a rise in a points league, but a rise is really, really good in this format.

So that would get Nate Lowe up around 17, 18, something like that in first base rank. So I think he's... Yeah, I mean, that's the thing. It's kind of like a big tier. from 12 to 22, 23, 24 at that position. And I, you know, I have him toward the back of it. But like, it's, I don't feel comfortable with that.

Yeah. Speaking of those Rangers, they sure liked Corse Field. They put up 16 runs on 18 hits, thanks to Nate Lowe. But also, Corey Seeger had a big game. He went two for four with two doubles and two RBI. And Martin Perez, I have him in a few leagues. I benched him in every single one. as I assume most people did, and he went out there, and he had an amazing start.

Six shutout innings, four hits, one walk, seven strikeouts. That brings him to 18 quality starts on the season that's tied for fourth most in Major League Baseball, and the ERA down to 2.69. And you know, Scott, the underlying numbers have actually lined up a little bit better as the season has gone along. So I think that's just a testament to how well Martine Perez really has pitched this year. So I wouldn't blame people for benching him in Cores, but just another great start. Yeah, he's had a really good year. I don't know how I'm going to approach him next year.

I think I'm going to have a lot of skepticism. But, you know, it may be one of those situations where everybody does. And so I end up drafting him, sort of like happened with Adolice Garcia in a couple leagues this year. You know, I understood the skepticism surrounding him. But if everybody shares your skepticism at some point. Yeah. You just, okay, I'll bet on him doing it again, I guess. Right.

It kind of reminds me of how we, as a community, valued Adam Wainwright. I know you were higher on him than most got, but, you know, nobody wanted anything to do with Adam Wainwright. Boring old veteran. It might be the same thing from our team Perez X year. But, you know, you don't need to depend on him to be a starter on your team. I don't think you'll have to draft him that way either. Speaking of pitching, we have a few deeper waiver wire pitchers.

no one to the level of a Matt Manning, obviously, but a few names here that caught my eye. Spencer Watkins turns in another strong start against the White Sox this time. Six innings, two runs, five strikeouts in this one, and he did throw his slider a bunch. He basically doubled the usage of that pitch in this start, and it's pretty good pitch.

154 batting average against. Doesn't get a bunch of whiffs, but in terms of results, it is his best pitch. This is Spencer Watkins. And in nine games, it's returning to the Orioles, eight of those starts, 2.83 ERA.

He is 14% rostered. The other name is Brian Beyo, who made his return to the Red Sox here, and he turned in his best start of his young career. Obviously, hasn't really had a good one yet, but five endings, two runs, seven strikeouts against the Blue Jays.

He had 13 swinging strikes on 65 pitches. That is a 20% swinging strike rate, and he's only 15% rostered. Scott, what do you think of these names in Devere League, Spencer Watkins, Brian Beow. I don't think much of them. I mean, Spencer Watkins is probably better

than he gets credit for, but that doesn't mean he's especially good, you know? In most fantasy leagues, what you're looking for with a way for claimant starting pitcher, unless it's a streaming situation, and that is the most streamed position, and that's fine

if that's what you're looking for, and the matchups make it justifiable. But for the most part what you're looking for is impact and somebody likes Benzer Watkins just doesn't have that kind of potential yeah he'll have some pretty good starts from time to time

but not he'll never rise to the level of I have to I have to root you know I have to keep this guy on my roster because he's just so good Bayo has that kind of potential he has impact potential of course this is the first time we've seen him have any

measure of success in the majors it was against the Blue Jays. So that's, you know, that's a pretty strong endorsement. It was against the Tigers or anything like that. 13 20 strikes on just 65 pitches. The change-up, which has been his best pitch, both in terms of quality of contact and whiff rate. It was especially good in this one.

He threw his sinker a lot more than usual. Maybe that pairs better with the change-up. I don't know. But bottom line is, Step forward for Bayo, we need to see a lot more, I think, before we're going to trust him as anything like a starter in fantasy. All right. Anything to see here, Scott.

I mean, this would probably be the deepest of leagues, but Mike Myers, who formerly is a reliever of the Angels, it's actually spelled M-A-Y-E-R-S, not like the Halloween movie or anything. But he is transitioning to be a starter, and he was solid at Tampa Bay, five shutout with five strikeouts. He had 12 swinging strikes on 78 pitches. He really hasn't been great outside of the short in 2020, but anything to see here with Mike Myers' start. So you mentioned Halloween. How does, like, Austin Powers, Mike Myers spell his name? Do they all spell their names differently?

That's a good question. Yeah, you look it up. Let's find out. Yeah, this Mike Myers of the Angels, I don't think, is much. I don't think there's much to see here. He has had good years as a reliever in the past. This year hasn't been one of them. And, you know, ERA will over four, the Whipsai 2.

This first start was decent, but not enough for me to act on, really, in a league of any size. So they are all spelled M-Y-E-R-S, both the Halloween Michael Myers and Austin Powers, Mike Myers. Okay. And then this one is M-A-Y-Y-Y-R-S. ERS because one of them could have been N-E-Y ERS. That's true. That is a legitimate spelling of Myers. Yeah. Kind of like Max Meyer

but with Ness on the end there. Yeah. How do you feel about the Austin Powers movies? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I haven't seen one in like 20 years probably. I remember enjoying them as a teenager so and you know that that wasn't true for everything. So yeah.

And if you're funny. you were enjoying them as a teenager, that means I was way too young to be watching them. And I did anyway. So that's how I got here, I guess. You know, the person who loves all cheesy comedy, right? Like Adam Sandler movies, Michael Myers, you know, Austin Powers, rather. You know who made an appearance in one of those Austin Powers movie? Who would that be? I once knew a man named Lorenzo, last name, Gain, like mine, only spelled differently. No, E. That's as far as I'm going to go with it. Sorry.

Totally imprompt too there. Scott, that will be enough for many people who are longing for the Michael Cain, Scott White impression. Let's fire up the drop ometer. Scott, we haven't done this in a while and it feels like every day I'm getting questions about the same hitters. Can I drop this guy? Can I drop this guy?

So let's find out. Where can you actually drop these players? Let's assume a standard 12 team league. 10 on the drop home meter, you could drop this player. No questions asked for anyone who's available. Zero. No. You definitely want to hold on to this guy.

JD Martinez. We've talked about him a lot recently. He's got nine homers on the season. I think he hasn't homered since the beginning of July, something like that. Post all-star break, he's hitting 178, of course, zero homers, and a 506 OPS guy. I mean, he's just, he's absolutely draining you.

He's doing nothing right now. Where is he on the dropometer? Okay, so who wasn't? You were mentioning there? Sorry. JD Martinez. I have to like re-program myself after doing that. Michael Cain thing.

Like, I have to go over it in my head. Like, was that embarrassing? Did I do a good thing? You know, and I kind of just have to lock in again. Okay. It was great. Yeah, J.D. Martinez, I think he is, I think he's pretty dropable at this point. Three outfielderly standard size, 12 teams, you know?

Yep. It's just not providing enough, namely power, but not enough of anything else either. Yeah. The father time might be catching up here on J.D. Martinez. Would you drop him for Lars Nupar? Yes. I think that's probably going to be the question for all of these players, right? Lars Nupar hit another homer on Wednesday, his fifth homer on the season.

Lars Nupar is shaping up to be this year's Frank Schwindel. Oh, yes. I mean, hopefully he has a better future than Frank Schwindel turned out to. Fair. Just, you know, for redraft purposes, we'll leave it at that. All right. So Lars Nupar, 49% rostered. Scott is good with dropping Martinez for him.

Ty France, post-all-star break, he is hitting 182, three homers, a 540 OPS. I know he missed some time with injury, so perhaps he's not fully healthy. Ever since he's come back, he just hasn't looked like the player we saw earlier on in the season. Probably it was going to be some natural regression anyway because he was hitting so well. Where is Ty France on the dropometer? It's not quite as high. I am not nearly as high as J.D. Martinez. because he is second base eligible, right?

That makes a big difference. Not that outfield isn't weak, but, you know, there are a lot of outfielders and not as many second basemen. So I would say, are we given numbers here? Is that what we're doing? Yeah, zero to ten. So if J.D. Martinez was like seven,

let's say I'll go four for Thai friends. All right, three shallow league names. Would you drop Thai friends for any of Von Grissom, Gene Seguera, Nate Lowe? So two second baseman and one first baseman. I am pretty confident. I have him ranked ahead of all three. I am quickly rethinking that position because, like, it's just, you know, Von Grissom shouldn't be available.

And obviously, if I'm setting my lineup for next week, I'm putting Grissom in over Thai France. Yeah. I just, yeah, I don't, maybe I need to look at them closer, but I'm not quite ready to move on from France. Yeah, and it's hard to believe that Thai France is the worst player on your team. Even in a shallow league, I have to assume you have a worse player than him. So maybe just plop them on the bench for now, but could heat up for the final month.

Once again, that is Thai France. Cotel Marte, lots of questions about him right now. In the second half, he's hitting 202. He's got two homers, zero steals, also missing time with some. injury, so probably battling something. I don't know that he's completely healthy. He's only got a 608 OPS during the second half. Scott, where is he on the dropometer?

He is like a five, maybe a six. I would definitely take Vaughn Grissom over him at this point. Let's see, who else did you ask me about? Gene Seguera. Yeah, that's close. I feel like Sigura hasn't done much since returning from injury. Oh, no, he's done much. Oh, has he?

He's done much since return. I mean, he just had a big game here on Wednesday. Yeah, I know he... Three for five game. That gives him, you know, all confined to August since returning a 328 batting average, two home runs, three steals. Boom. What am I saying?

All right, so let's make that move. You doing that, Sigura over Ketzal-Martee? Yeah, yeah, I think I would lean yes on that. I'm noticing now Sigura's not in my rankings here. So I need to fix that. That's always embarrassing. Man, Gene Cigaro is awesome. Yeah.

It's just like, you know, that's overstating it, but. I mean, he missed a lot of time, Scott. He's hitting 289, eight homers, 11 steals at one of the worst positions this season. Yeah. It's pretty valuable stuff. You know what? I spent like four hours updating my rankings today and like already based on what we

talked about the first 25 minutes here. want to, I just want to blow it all up. It's just a big waste of time. Yeah. Yeah. I don't, Sigura's not even in there. I don't like where I have Nate Low ranked or Thai France ranked. Not that I, look, I will never complain about this job, Scott, because obviously, you know, I think we're very privileged to be able to do this, but ranking players in fantasy baseball rest of season is probably one of the hardest time-consuming things that we do here at CBS. So, um, It's gotten a lot harder because so many players are multi-eligible now. So you spend so much time just cross-referencing positions to make sure.

It's true. To make sure you don't have a player ahead of one player at one position, but behind that same player at another position. We're looking at you, John Birdie. And Outfield is, oh, my gosh, ranking out. Starting pitcher takes a long time, but I feel like there's more clarity at starting pitcher than Outfield. It's just like once you get past the top four, outfielders it's like I don't know just just pick up whoever's hot you know

another middle infielder actually a lot of middle infielders on this one second base second base is bad man Jorge Polanco in the second half 215 batting average one homer zero steals 639 OPS obviously it's been a let down of a season compared to last year Scott where you at on Jorge Polanco dropometer so let me check my useless rankings here I have him behind Catele Marte, who I just called a five. So I'm going to say six. The problem is who can you drop them for, right?

Like, Von Grissom is a name we keep bringing up. He's 86% rostered. Right. It's not realistic. All right, here's one. Like, would you do it for Jorge Mateo if you want to just ride the hot hand? No. I mean, obviously in a Categories league, I would.

But I'm kind of assuming he's rostering all of those already. So Categories League, yes, Jorge Mateo. points league, which is Palanco's better format. Yeah. No. All right. So it would have to be a really shallow league to find someone better than Jorge Palanco right now. But alas. And then Gleber Torres, he's got some homers here in the second half, four homers, but he's only betting 190. His OPS is at 539. He's striking out a lot. So, you know, the first two or three months, it looked like, all right, Claibor is back on track. This is nice to see. But really has slowed down

a lot recently. Where are you at on Glaber? So he's behind Polanco for me. I'll go seven. Okay, so I was going to say Josh Rojas may be a guy to pick up because it wasn't too long ago. He was available in like a third of CBS Sports leagues, but he's up to 85% now too.

Josh Rojas is somebody I moved up quite a bit in the rankings. And deservedly so. It's not just a categories league thing either because he was great at sealing bases, but you know, you look at his points league standing over the past month or so. And Josh Rojas has been really good in that format too.

So I think... Yeah. And quadruple eligible, including third, outfield, second, shortstop as well. But, like, he meets needs at positions where everybody has needs. All right. So if you can find someone better than these names, I think the ones that stand out most, again, Seguera, Mateo, if you want to ride the hot hand, Von Grissom. but, you know, middle infield, it hasn't been great. You know, once you get, if you actually look at the players

rostered in less than 70% of leagues, Nico Horner, Louisa Reyes, Nolan Gorman, Chris Taylor, John Birdie, like, none of those excite me, Scott. I don't know how you feel. Well, Bertie, obviously, in categories leagues, in five-by-five leagues. Yep. He would, he still, he ranks pretty high for me in that format,

but big separation. between that and points leagues for him. Yeah, I would say those guys you mentioned, there are formats I would be excited about adding them, but compared to the names you have listed here for the drop O'Meer, Jorge Polanco, Catelle Marte, even Glaber Torres. I think if it comes down to them,

and like Nico Horner, I just stand a pat. All right, let's take a look at some waiver wire hitters. We're dropping a few. We already talked about Lars Neupar. I don't know if I asked you this guy, but would you drop Cotel Marte? for Lars Nupar in a shallow league? Let me see if my rankings reflect that I would,

because I did move Ketelmarte down quite a bit. So I still have them four spots ahead of Nupar and points leagues. At a position as deep as outfield, though, that's basically nothing. And, you know, I think it kind of depends on what your second base situation is like. I would say. And how shallow your league is shallower the league. I think it's easier to justify. If you're not really counting on Cotel Marte

as a middle infielder, I think it's easier to justify. It's close enough that I'm not going to say no. I wouldn't drop Cotel Marte for Lars Neupar. Okay. I'm not going to say that. Oscar Gonzalez is someone, it feels like I mentioned his name every single day, but he hit his fifth home run

that's back-to-back games with a dinger for him. And the exit velocity on the home we're nearly 110 miles per hour off the bat. We know that Oscar Gonzalez hits the ball really hard. And I noticed since returning from injury, the launch angle has more than doubled, Scott. So before getting hurt, Oscar Gonzalez, 4.1 degree launch angle,

now at 9.5 degrees. So you couple that with hitting the ball as hard as he is. And I'm really excited. Like, I know people are kind of slow to come around on Oscar G right now, but 29% rostered, just so. seems too low. Yeah, I could see him having like Hunter Runfro upside.

So I agree that that's way too low for Oscar Gonzalez. I don't think he's going to be much of a factor in points leagues would be my guess. Just at least not this year because of how low the walk rate is. But in those five outfielder roto leagues, Oscar Gonzalez

is worth picking up. And I can see why he's flown under the radar because he's behind pace, Homer-wise. I mean, that's the main thing he's going to do, is hit home runs. And he hasn't, he hasn't performed up to the pace I think you and I believe he's capable of. But maybe it's starting with home runs on back-to-back days.

He does hit for a high batting average, too, Scott. So he can help you out there. And the Guardians lineup is not great, but it's pesky. So there could be some counting stats there for Oscar Gonzalez as well. William Contreras went two for five with his 12th home run. He is 68% rostered. So this is just a one catcher league play that we're talking about. And Scott has him ranked as his eighth catcher.

So the only... Yeah, but the Braves have started sitting him a lot again. They've been so inconsistent with how much they use him. For a while there, it looked like he was their primary DH. But then since they acquired... They've kind of fallen in love with Robbie Grossman, played him almost every day. And that gives Eddie Rosario a lot of time at DH.

So I believe for William... Contreras, this was only his third start in six games. No, I mean, for a catcher, you can live with that if he's productive enough, and Contreras, I think is. But does that make him a top 10 catcher? It's questionable. You know, you brought up Robbie Grossman. I meant to add him to the rundown.

It just slipped my mind. He went three for five with a steel, two runs, and an RBI. and he's playing pretty well recently. So I don't think he's a must-ad by any means. He's widely available. Robbie Grossman, he's 14, no, 12% rostered. In five outfielder leagues,

if you need help, sure. I'm okay taking a shot on Robbie Grossman. I don't think he's been stealing any bases. Let me double check that. He still wants me. But outside of that. That was his first and 17 games since joining the Braves

and his slash line with the Brave. I mean, it's clearly better than he was doing with the Tigers, but it's still nothing to write home about. It is, find that real quick. It is 260, 339, 420. So I think he needs to be like a prolific base deal, like the 20 steel guy he was last year to really be a worthwhile fantasy option.

Okay. The few other names here, Nick Fortez with the Marlins, he went two for four with his seventh, home run. We mentioned him recently. He steals bases randomly as a catcher. I brought a few two catcher league targets yesterday, Scott. Would you rather have Fortez over Christian Betancourt and Elias Diaz? What do you think? I like Fortez and I like Betancourt, but neither is playing enough, I think, to consider outside of two catcher leagues and even then like fringy and two

catcher leagues. I would say Fortez is playing a little bit more and he's also contributing the occasional stolen base. So he would be my preference over Betancourt. But, you know, mainly I'm just rooting for these guys to get more playing time because I think they deserve it. I mean, if Fortez becomes the Marlins starting catcher next year, that that's going to be, it's going to be a pretty interesting sleeper. JT. Real Muto 2.0. Say it with me, Scotty. One more in deeper. leagues. Drew Waters, the Royals prospect who got called up recently. He went two for

two with a walk and a run scored. He's only 10% rostered. Who would you rather add in, you know, a deeper five outfielder league? Drew Waters or Robbie Grossman? Probably Grossman. I'm very skeptical of Waters. So, you know, such a high strikeout

rate in the minors. And generally, unless it's a big time power hitter, if you're striking out as often as he does in the minors, it's you're not going anywhere, you know. Yeah. And Waters, I don't think, is a big time power hitter.

So I'm very skeptical. All right. Let's take a break and we'll hit the news and notes here on fantasy baseball today. The news and notes. Aaron Boone confirmed that John Carlos Stanton is on track to return Thursday in Oakland. Juan Soto has missed the past two games with back tightness. Wander Franco said his surgically repaired right wrist didn't bother him while he took swings in the batting cage. and fielded grounders on Tuesday.

He expects to resume his rehab assignment within the coming days. Chris Bryant received a PRP injection on Wednesday to help with his plantar fasciitis. No update on a timetable there. Ryan Presley has been unavailable the past two days due to neck stiffness. Cardinals closer, Ryan Helsley,

is likely to rejoin the team Friday against the Braves. He's been out with a personal issue. Eloy Jimenez was out of the lineup on Tuesday after, on Wednesday rather, after getting hit by a pitch on his elbow on Tuesday. I believe x-rays came back negative for that. Zach Rankie was placed in the aisle with right forearm tightness, retroactive to August 21st. Brandon Belt was placed in the aisle with right knee inflammation, and Josiah Gray will have his turn in the rotation skipped this week as the team looks to manage his workload,

which brings us to a prospect promotion, Scotty. Cade Cavali, the first round pick for the nationals in 20. 2020 will make his debut this Friday against the Cincinnati Reds. He's 19% rostered. And in the minors this season, he had a 371-ERA, 114 strikeouts, over 97-ennings pitch. I know this is a big arm here. He throws hard. He's got a wicked slider.

Some people thought that, you know, the two-pitch mix, maybe he's kind of bound for the bullpen. But as of now, the Nationals have solely used him as a starter. So what do you think about Kate Cavali making his debut on? Friday. I'm intrigued. I would imagine let's see, how many innings does he have?

Because I imagine they wouldn't want to tack on too many more for him either. So he's at 97. He threw 123 and a third last year. He could continue to take a regular turn through September. Yep.

I'm intrigued. I'm not rushing out to pick him up, but you gave the season numbers there, which were but he was pretty, awful early on and has turned things around quite a bit of late. His past seven starts, Cade Cavali, has a 147 ERA, a 0.95 whip.

K per 9 is 10.6 during that stretch swinging strike rate of 15%. He's gotten the walks, the walks have improved during that stretch. I think that's going to be his biggest issue. but no,

Kate Cavali is legit. He's sure he would be in everybody's top 50 pitching prospects especially given the way his, he's turned to season around.

50 pitching prospects. Everybody's top 50 prospects. I was about to say 50 pitching prospects, what are we doing? Yeah. Top 50 pitching prospect would still probably be

like a top 200 prospect, but anyway. Yeah. Yeah, no, Kate Cavali. let's see how it goes, but it could go well. Would you rather take a shot on adding him compared to Brian Beow and Spencer Watkins from earlier?

I would rather take a shot on Cavali, yeah, because the impact potential that I was talking about. No, I mean, Bayo has it too, and he just had a good first start, but his other opportunities had gone so poorly that I need to see a lot more from him. All right. The last prospect update here. The D-backs, this one kind of surprised me, Scott. The Diamondbacks promoted their top prospect, or one of their top prospects. Jordan Lawler to AA. Now, he was the first round pick last year out of high school. So he has played A ball, high A, and now he's already up to double A, which seems kind of aggressive. What do you think? Oh, I think it makes sense. I mean, he's been, it is aggressive, but he's earned it with his performance.

And I feel like he's been, wasn't he the sixth overall pick last year? That is correct. Yep, sixth. But, I mean, the way he's performed, he should have been the first, right? Wow. He has jumped four levels this year, Scott. Rookie ball, A ball, high A, and now AA. Wow.

And he wasn't the discussion to go first overall, to be fair. Yeah. It was, the last year's draft class was pretty stacked at the top. But he's, he's been the standout from it so far. And he and Corbyn Carroll, I think, are, well, yeah, Corbyn Carroll will still be a prospect at that point. That's, yeah, he and Corbyn Carroll will both be top 10 prospects, I think, for everybody going into next year. I think they already are based on some of the list that I've seen. But yeah, Loller, by the way, the line for him this season in the minors, 329 batting average, 12 homers.

12 homers, 37 steals, a 973 OPS, a bunch of walks as well. Yeah, he looks like the real deal. I've got him in Scott White Dynasty League, Scottie. So I'm hoping that they're not, you know, pushing him a little bit too quickly. But yeah, I'm very excited. It's a good sign. I mean, if he shows he can't handle it, they'll slow him down. Yeah, for sure.

All right, let's get into a few pitchers duels from Thursday. Today is, well, technically, it's still. Thursday when we're recording this, but we're talking about Wednesday's action. And I do have, I have a new, I have a new drop to use here, Scotty. So whenever we talk about picture tools, we're going to get this. Do you know where that's from? No idea. It's time to duel Yu-Gi-O. I think it was probably too, you're probably too old for the Yu-Gi-O fad when it kind of came out. I am aware of its existence. But beyond that, it has to do with like cards right right yeah did you ever get into any of the card games like

magic to gathering or anything uh no kind of surprisingly because i am a big more of a board game aficionado but you know some games use more cards than others i'm i'm big into like table table games you know yeah so it's kind of surprising i never got into those but i didn't yeah so for anyone else in the uh i don't know 30 year old demographic that grew up playing Yu-Gi-O. I'm sure you'll love that soundbite. But anyway, let's talk about some of these pitchers' duels. Jesus Lazardo at Cole Irvin.

I don't know how much of it is a pitcher's duel just versus like anemic offenses for both teams, but alas, they were both really good. Lazardo at the Oakland A's, seven innings, two runs, four strikeouts in this one, 11 swinging strikes on 102 pitches, sinker velocity down one mile per hour, which has been pretty consistent since returning.

I don't love to see it, but the results have still been pretty good for Jesus Luzardo. He has allowed to earn runs or fewer in four of five since return. Remember in the case of Lazzardo's velocity, like it was up at the start of the year. He had this big boost in velocity that we hadn't seen from him. So it's not like he's, it's not like he's gotten worse since coming back from the injury. Like, oh, no, is he still hurt? He's just returned to normal. Right.

You know, maybe he was going beyond what he really should early in the year, and that's why he got hurt. Perhaps. The one thing we had been seeing from Lazzardo, like, his chain, he had been throwing the change up more than anything since returning, and it's his best pitch. It was only his third most used pitch in this one. So it still worked out fine because he was going against the A's, but that may be why. he ended up with only four strikeouts in seven innings. We'd like to see him throw the change up more and the curveball more, frankly. Just fade the fastball, Jesus.

So, you know, since returning five starts, he has a 267 ERA. It's gone well enough that there's no reason to consider dropping him or anything like that. Cole Irvin, I mean, he had the more impressive start of the two. Crazy stuff. 25 swinging strikes, including 21 on the fastball. Cole Irvin, you know, he's known for his fastball. He threw it 73% of the time

about twice as often as usual. And I think that's just that just goes to show you how bad the Marlins are against left-handed pitchers that he could get away with dude. Like he could just keep firing in fastballs and, you know, his 90-mile-per-hour fastball or whatever it was and they just keep whiffing at it.

They have the worst OPS against left-handed pitchers, the worst strikeout rate against left-handed pitchers. Cole Irvin, you know, I mentioned the 25 swinging strikes. His career high previously was 16. So it's, I don't, like, Cole Irvin hasn't unlocked a new level. Like, he's been a pretty good pitcher this year. I'm not trying to disparage him. But, you know, I want to look too deep into the numbers in this stuff. It was mostly the Marlins lineup, I think.

All right. Yeah. You know, he does have a good fastball though. Results wise this season, 182 batting average against 19% whiff rate, which is really good for, you know, a fastball, let alone a 91 mile per hour fastball from a left-handed pitcher who his fastball's in the fifth percentile of spin rate. So I don't really know how he does it. There's probably some deception involved, but yeah, shout out to Coler. Who would you rather have rest of season, Scott?

Scott, Jesus Luzardo or Cole Irvin? Luzardo, but it's closer than you might think. I'm, I kind of feel about Cole Irvin like I did about Martin Perez earlier in the year. I mean, now Martin Perez, I think everybody's in. But when there was more skepticism, I was like, yeah, it's probably not going to continue. But it's been good enough, long enough that, you know, I'm not going to dump them now, you know. Yeah. And especially when you look at the home waist, but it's like pretty much always starting at home.

Yeah. The other pitcher's duel, we had Zach Allen at Brady Singer, and Gallen went six shutout with three hits, three walks aloud, six strikeouts. And he has now made four scoreless starts in a row for Zach Allen. The ERA down to 2.66 overall on the season, right around a strikeout per inning, 49% ground ball rate. Zach Allen has been amazing this year. No other word you can use to describe him. Yep, yep. And I am...

Go ahead. I was making him out to be the new Sunny Gray in which, like, I'm just never going to be able to figure him out. But I think I'm just fully on board now, you know, four consecutive scoreless outs. Scorless starts a 13.6% swinging strike rate during that stretch. So that's more like... That's awesome. That's more like the Zach Allen we know and love before he was having the elbow problems last year. And on the other side, Brady Singer goes 7.

innings, one run, six strikeouts with just five swinging strikes, which is now famously known as the Adam Wainwright on this show. Singer has allowed two earn runs or fewer in seven of his last eight starts, and his ERA is down to 3.15. Seems a little bit smoking mirror-ish for Brady Singer, but it's hard to argue with the results that he's providing right now. So I think just keep rolling. Keep rolling about there. I mean, yes and no. for the smoke and mirrors part. Past date starts a 175 ERA. Okay, that, you know,

he's not going to sustain a 175 ERA, but you mentioned his ERA for the season is 315. ZAC's FIP is 330, you know? Yeah. No, it is. I mean, the FIP lines up with it too. It's just, I just don't see how it works, you know? And I know Chris used to say this too

about Brady Singer this season. It's just, you know, he throws a sinker and a slider most of the time. rider is better this year and the walks are down. So he has progressed as a pitcher, but it's, you know, it's not like his swinging strike rate is great or anything.

It's 10%, which is below league average technically. It's probably a bit of a tight rope walk. Yeah. Him being able to sustain, you know, even the year, the season long ERA of 315.

But yeah, I mean, he's, he's clearly a must roster pitcher, I would say, at this point. Yeah. It's not to disparage singer.

I'm just letting you know that, you know, some of it seems a little fluky, but outside, like, just continue to start him, like the way he's pitching right now, no doubt about it. A few other standouts here from Wednesday. Pitching standouts, part one. Kyle Wright only needed 73 pitches to throw seven shutout at the Pirates. He turned in eight strikeouts with 15 swinging strikes in that one.

George Kirby matches a season high with seven innings pitched up against the nationals. He allowed eight hits, one run, nine strikeouts. He has just 13 walks in 18 starts. His control might already be the best among starting pitchers in baseball. That is George Kirby.

Calquantrol has gone six plus innings in five straight. He went seven shutout in this one with six strikeouts at the Padres. And then Lucas G. Alito turns in his first quality start since July 13th. At the Orioles, six and a third,

one run, only three strikeouts. There wasn't really anything that's set out to me. Scott that overly impressed me with this start from Gialito. Just two walks, I guess is something to be excited about when it comes to him. But yeah, what do you think about him, Quantrell, Kirby, and Kyle Wright? Yeah, I agree with you on Gialito. This was his first good start of the second half, and he still had three strike.

He only had three strikeouts in six and a third innings. I'm kind of worried about him. He's going to be a difficult player to evaluate for next year, because on the one hand, it's like, okay, this swinging strike rate's still good, the K-per-9's still good. Maybe it was just a fluke, but spin rates down, been down all year, the velocity's been down all year. Not an enormous amount, but enough that you could see it being all the difference.

And, you know, it's ultimately going to depend on what it's going rate is, whether I invest in him as a bounce-back candidate, but it's, I don't think it's a, I don't think it's a, a clear-cut case of a guy just underachieving. Pitching standouts part two, Shane O. Mac. Here comes the money. Here we go. Money talks.

Here comes the money. Shane McClanahan makes it three straight quality starts. He was up against the Angels. He went six shot out with nine strikeouts. Now that's the Shane O'Mac we know and love. Jose Burrios makes it two straight quality starts after two terrible outings. He was at the Red Sox, six innings, two runs, six strikeouts for him. 15 swinging strikes.

You'll love to see that. For Amber Valdez makes it 21 straight quality starts. This one is up against the twins. And he is approaching the record for consecutive quality starts. I was watching this game. I believe it's Jacob de Grom.

24 quality starts in a row within the same season. I think DeGrom also, I think he did like two other starts the previous year. So the record is actually 26 if you combine seasons. But within one season, it's 24.

So remember Valdez has a chance to actually break that record the rest of this season. I hope he gets done. And then Andrew Heaney is the final one here. Second quality start in nine outings this season. He goes six innings, two runs, 10 strikeouts. I feel like just recently, Scott, I wrote him off at least, or I said something like, you know, he's not going deep into his starts. And then he comes out and he has this amazing start. So I don't know what to do with it.

Yeah, I was forced to drop him in a couple of shallower leagues just because, it's like, okay, well, I can't use him if he's going to go four innings every time. And this was his first start since returning of even five innings, much less six. But, you know, if we can count on him to keep doing this, then he's a pretty big deal. Heaney has a 194 ERA 101 whip 13.4 strikeouts per nine for the year, you know. so that's obviously like really good numbers that we'd like to have if we could trust him to be treated like a conventional starter

so he's pretty highly rostered still right oh 81% he's out there in some leagues I guess and then that would mean like he's out there in 60% of Yahoo leagues or something like that so I mean it might be a big fine this time of year if he can keep it going

Okay. So his roster rate is right around Lazzardo and Cole Irvin. Where does he fit into that mix? I'd still put Lazzardo first. But if you want to chase the upside, I could see taking him over. Well, yeah, I mean, clearly the upside is Hini. Clearly. I would, I'm probably going to continue to rank him behind those two.

Like, if you go six innings in his next start, okay. He probably moves. way up in my rankings, but him doing it just once after having an early hook for so long. I'm still a little skeptical of it. All right. We did have two pitching duds here. Logan Webb has given up four plus earned runs in three of his last six starts. And he did it at the Tigers, man.

Like what? Ah, what's going on? Four and two thirds, six runs allowed, six strikeouts for Logan Webb. ERA is still 3.33, which is fine. It's very good. I mean, Scott, you know, this is why you let Blake Snell back into the circle of trust and then

this is what he does, right? Up against the Guardians, three and a third, six runs allowed, three homers allowed, four strikeouts, whatever. But no walks. Yeah. No walks. Glass half full, I guess,

Guy. Well, the home runs burned him this time and he does put the ball in the air a lot, so I guess that's I guess it's understandable, but the walks have long been the main issue for Snell. So now, you know, this is seven starts with a combined seven walks.

It's pretty big deal. Yeah. I want to be abandoning ship. Maybe it'll be something I regret, famous last words. I'll give Snell a pass for this one. His previous nine starts before Wednesday. 2.42 ERA, 74 strikeouts, over 48 in a third inning's pitch. So, you know, little tongue in cheek with Blake's Nell.

He has been amazing over his last nine starts before this one. Some hitting leftovers. Matt Olson went three for five with a grand slam. Out of nowhere, Scott, when did this happen? He has 27 homers on the year. I had no idea. Matt Olson. He's basically been Matt Olson.

Just kept plugging away. Well, he hasn't been last year's Matt Olson. But yeah, the batting average is, you know, a little bit lower. Is the kid who never hit singles, basically, because everything is an extra base hit. And you look at the month-by-month breakdown. It's basically like he hits 240 to 250 every single month. But the power's there, and that's the main thing he drafted him for. So good.

There's something to be said for consistency. O'Neill Cruz went one for four with a single and two strikeouts, which, you know, on most days, I wouldn't even care about this line, but the single had an exit velocity of 122.4 miles per hour, which is the hardest hit ball in the statcast era. Yeah. Ever, even more than Staten or Judge, anything they've ever done. It's now old.

And a lot of people were like, who cares, it was a single. First of all, the only reason it was a single is because it was just hit a couple inches too low. It bounced off the wall so hard that he was held to a single. You know? Yeah. It's, but then, of course, the main thing is even if it was an out, even if it was a ground out, like just the fact that he is capable of hitting a ball that hard and nobody in so hard that nobody in the eight years we've been tracking this has hit a ball that hard. Like that, that speaks volumes about O'Neo Cruz's upside. And I don't think the upside is lost on anyone, but every little reminder is nice.

Yeah, I still think long term, O'Neill Cruz has 40 plus home run upside. It's just, it's got to work out some of the kings here. The strikeouts are definitely, definitely an issue for him right now. Julio Rodriguez went one for four with his 20th home run, and he has just two steals over his last 25 games. And really since the start of July, he's not running much at all, Scott. So I think projecting his steals for next year is it might be a little bit tricky like some people if he finishes with like 25 to 30 steals they might just expect that again But I think 15 to 20 might be a more fair projection for Julio Rodriguez moving forward Yeah, this is what I worried about actually when we were you know we did a couple podcast

Redrafting for the rest of season and you know Julio Rodriguez look at all the steals you know maybe he should be a second rounder, maybe he should be a first rounder. It's like, yeah, but is he going to keep running at this pace? And actually, I don't have the exact quote pulled up, but I did see, I think it was actually coming from Scott's service, but basically Julio Rodriguez surprised everybody by running that much, and now he has to pick his spots a little more carefully

because the pitchers are on to him. And, you know, this was, This was several weeks ago that I read that quote, but obviously it's continued to play out because he's hardly running at all now. And that's the way stolen bases go, you know? Like, just because a player is capable of them doesn't mean they're always going to be

as motivated to pursue them. Yeah. One of the hardest stats to predict year over year in fantasy baseball steals for basically any player, for what it's worth. He's 97th percentile in sprint speed. So he is a freak athlete. he can run. He's, you know, again, he's just got to pick his spots. Jose Ramirez went three for three

with a double dung. He is now up to 25 home runs and has slowed down over the past couple months. We were talking before the podcast yesterday, Scott, that he was dealing with a thumb issue in the middle of June and he has really slowed down since then. So I think it's probably something that Ramirez is playing through right now. Well, hopefully the two homer game is the sign that He is getting past it. But yeah, just to break down those numbers for you, prior to the thumb injury, which he suffered on June 17th,

he was slashing 305-397-642 in 60 games. Wow. In 56 games prior to this two-homer game since then, 256-301-429. So it's pretty clear. And if you look at the game log, like the turn really happened at that moment. Yeah, for sure.

J.C. Rilumuto went three for five with his 14th home run. He has really turned his season around. It's been, it's been great for him. Mike Trout went two for five with his 26th home run. That's back-to-back games with a dong for Trout. Christian Walker went two for four with his 30th homer. He is now tied with Pete Alonzo for six most home runs in all of baseball. Bobby Litt Jr. went one for four with his 18th homer,

back-to-back days with a homer for him. Jose Al-Tuvae, went two for four with his 21st, and Willie Adamas went three for four with his 25th homer. He finished a triple short of the cycle. We don't have many bullpen updates, but we do have some.

Let's talk about Oakland. Danny Jimenez came on for the save in a one-run game. He gave up a solo homer to Nick Fortez. For the Phillies, David Robertson walked one, but picked up his 18th save for Tampa Bay. The Kiss of Death continues. Jason Adam pitched in the eighth inning once again in a tie game.

He gave up a solo homer to Mike Treaseless. Trout. On the other side for the Angels, Ryan Tepera pitched in the eighth inning with a one-run lead. He gave up an unearned run, and then later on, Jaime Berea wound up taking the loss in extras. They didn't... I think they did have another save opportunity, and I think it was Berea who blew it, and then he lost the game in the final, the next inning after that, too. For the Blue Jays, Jordan Romano walked one, but picked up his 27th save of the season. Streamers, let's jump into Thursday, we've got Patrick Sandoval at the Rays, Marcus Troman versus the Cardinals,

Marco Gonzalez versus the Guardians, Jordan Liles versus the White Sox, and Cutter Crawford versus the Blue Jays. Probably Sandoval at Tampa Bay would be my first choice. Marcus Stroman against the Cardinals, I'm okay with. The others,

nah. All right. On Friday, we have Cade Cavali in his Major League debut up against the Reds. We've got Mitch White against the Angels, Michael Waka versus the Rays. Glenn Otto versus the Tigers Justin Steele at the Brewers Jose Cantana versus the Braves

and J.P. Sears in a revenge game against the Yankees. I want to say the Brewers have been pretty bad against left-handers. So Justin Steele, you know, I just mentioned the kind of run he's been on earlier in the show.

I think he's probably the top choice here. Second choice. It's a distant second. It would be Michael Waka against the race. The Brewers, you are correct, Scottie. They have the sixth lowest weighted on base average against left-handed pitching this season. And they just proved it against Andrew Heaney,

arguably his best start of the season. We're going to wrap there for Scott. I am Frank. Thank you all for listening and watching. Fantasy baseball today. We'll be back again tomorrow. Bye-bye.