Fantasy Baseball Today - Our First 2025 Mock Draft! Early Rounds, Surprising Picks & More! (11/7 Fantasy Baseball Podcast)

Episode Date: November 7, 2024

Link to mock draft results- https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/news/fantasy-baseball-first-mock-draft-for-2025-shows-shortstops-starting-pitchers-in-ample-supply-in-rotisserie/ Before we hit our first 2025 mock draft, we have yearly Scott Boras quotes (2:35)! ... Let's start with the first round of this mock draft (7:14). ... The beginning of the second round is loaded with talent (18:20). ... Zack Wheeler and Austin Riley both lasted until the third round (29:27). ... When did the UTIL-only get drafted (37:24)? ... The Post Hype Prospects went too early (39:36). ... When should Spencer Strider and Garrett Crochet get drafted (43:05)? ... Shane McClanahan was a Top-100 pick (46:24). ... We wrap up with news from the GM meetings (52:47). Fantasy Baseball Today is available for free on the Audacy app as well as Apple Podcasts, Spotify and wherever else you listen to podcasts.  Subscribe to our YouTube channel: youtube.com/FantasyBaseballToday Download and Follow Fantasy Baseball Today on Spotify: https://sptfy.com/QiKv Get awesome Fantasy Baseball Today merch here: http://bit.ly/3y8dUqi Follow FBT on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@fbtpod?_t=8WyMkPdKOJ1&_r=1 Follow our FBT team on Twitter: @FBTPod, @CTowersCBS, @CBSScottWhite, @Roto_Frank Join our Facebook group at https://www.facebook.com/groups/fantasybaseballtoday Sign up for the FBT Newsletter at https://www.cbssports.com/newsletters/fantasy-baseball-today/ For more fantasy baseball coverage from CBS Sports, visit https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/ To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ You can listen to Fantasy Baseball Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Baseball Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Baseball Today podcast." To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to the Fantasy Baseball Today podcast from CBS Sports. Got a fantasy question? Email Fantasy Baseball at CBSI.com. Get ready to win your league. Well, fantasy. Now here's Frank Scott and Chris. The both season just ended, and it's already on to 2025 with our first mock draft. Welcome in to Fantasy Baseball today on Thursday, November 7th.

I am Frank Stample. We'll join by Chris Towers. Today on the show, we are recapping our first mock draft for 2025, which we just did last week while the World Series was going on, and a bunch of stuff has already changed. We'll talk about that as well. We'll focus on some of the early rounds. We'll take a look at some surprising picks,

then recap our teams. But as I mentioned, things are changing already. The GM meetings are going on right now, and we're learning about position changes and rumors on free agents and all this kind of crazy stuff. So we're getting the ridiculous Scott Boris quote. Like I, he has reached a point where like every time I see a like Boris at the winter meetings,

quote, I'm like, I can't tell if someone made this up or not. Yeah, I couldn't either. So I had these for, distinguishable from parity. I had these for later on,

but since you brought it up, I mean, we might as well just go through them now. I kind of think that Scott Boris and John Sterling might be related because some of these just. dad joke isms are they're really out there so on Alex Bregman he's an infusion of championship blood he's A.B. Positive because because his name

that's right is A.B. On Blake Snell there's no doubt the Snelling salts created a lot of whiffs and the market has definitely awakened. Like this one is just nothing like it's nothing. On Juan Soto behind every great magician is the magic Juan. Like also like because like so I play I play trivia most went Mondays. I go out with some friends. We go to a bar. We usually win. It's it's a great time. And we're usually Obi-Wan. That's for whatever reason. That's the name we came up with. And so when I hear him say behind every

great magician is the magic wand, I thought magic one was what he was going for. And it was only until you said it. And I was like, WAND, that makes way more sense. Okay, I understand where he's going with that. This one on Corbin Burns. Essentially, he continues to be a Corbyn copy of his previous seasons. This one just felt lazy. Yeah, a little bit. You can do, like, come on.

Burns is right there. Yeah. You know, I feel like you could have done something better. I think this one's probably the best for last. Pete Alonzo. There's been a lot of talk about this being a bare market for first baseman. But for Pete's sake, it's the polar opposite. Yeah, sure.

All right. I guess. Yeah, yeah, great times. That's how you know that the offseason has officially begun. We're getting the Scott Borisisms, Gia meetings, and then obviously after this winter meetings, and then probably a bunch of free agents won't sign until like March 31st, and it'll be great.

Let's get into our first mock draft and some of the details for this one. 12-team Roto, I was drafting first overall. Scott was fourth, and Chris was 10th overall. Mind you, we did this draft again last week, while the World Series was going on. We are extremely early in the process. The CBS draft room,

it still has rankings from the previous season. It still has eligibility from the previous season. So again, everyone's kind of flying blind at this point. It causes some complications. Like when you don't have, because we talk about this a lot in spring, where like the default draft list kind of dictates a lot of how the flow of a draft will go.

and we don't have that right now. We don't even know, like, in the draft room, Scott has to say, okay, Spencer Steer is only first base and outfield or whatever, first base, third base, and outfield. Yeah. And so people will be like, oh, can we back that out? I drafted him as my second baseman. So, like, these are way too early still.

Like, there are real drafts going on right now at NFBC. There's been about a dozen to say, I think it's really effective to set, a baseline. I think that's like I want to get that out at the front. Like I think it's worthwhile to say, this is where we were at at the beginning of the off season. And like one draft will never establish a full baseline. But I think it's worth like this is where we were. And then a bunch of stuff maybe changed, maybe didn't. Maybe our perceptions of players changed. So I always think it's worthwhile to discuss these, even acknowledging this will look very different in February and March.

1,000 percent. And we will reference some of the NFBC ADP, as you mentioned. I think there's like 15 drafts that have been completed so far. I'm still right smack in the middle of one draft myself. So we'll reference some of that. We'll obviously talk about this draft right now. Yeah, but lots of things are going to change. Players are going to sign.

Players are going to get traded. Steamer projections just come out. I think that's going to kind of change a perception in some people's minds on players as well. So again, lots will change. But let's get into the early rounds of our, first mock draft, and I'll pull up the draft board, draft list, I guess, if you want to say, the draft results. Let's call it that.

On YouTube, so you can follow along, I'll also put the link to the draft results in the episode description. So if you're just listening on the go somewhere and you want to pull up the draft, you can do it that way as well. So in the first round, Chris, I was going to say no surprises, but there might be a surprise already. So I took Shohei Otani first overall, followed by Bobby Witt Jr., Aaron Judge, Juan Soto went to Scott, Gunner Henderson, and then Ellie Dela Cruz, and we just learned that, but we knew Shoya Otani was dealing with a shoulder injury, he suffered in the World Series.

Turns out it's a torn labrum. He underwent surgery this week. The Dodgers expect that he'll be fully ready to go by spring training. A lot can change in a month, right? It's like, if we did this draft on October 6th, then he's like the slam dunk, no doubt, first overall pick.

We have no questions about it. And since then, we get the shoulder. We start thinking, all right, he's going to pitch. He's not going to run as much. Should we downgrade him a little bit? So now there are questions. What do you think? So one thing that I was surprised by is if you look at Shohei Otani's career, he has played, by my calculation, it was 379 games as a hitter where he wasn't also pitching.

That's like obviously there were more than that because there are five out of every six days he wasn't pitching. But I mean, he was not in a rotation. and there were 379 games where he wasn't in the rotation, but he was still playing as a header. And in those games, he has averaged one stolen base every 15.8 plate appearances. When he's pitching, it's once every 24.4 played appearances.

That matters. I don't know. Well, yes. But I think it's worth pointing out that if you take out 2024, when he's not pitching, rises to once every 23.3. Now, I said when he was pitching, it's once every 24.4. So before last year, he ran basically as often when he was pitching and when he wasn't, which I actually thought was surprising, because I remember when he was a rookie and he got hurt, I remember him running more.

But I guess it wasn't that much more often. But I think the takeaway there is, 2024 is probably the big outlier for Shohei Otani as a base stealer. And you should probably expect him to go back to what he was in 2023, which, I mean, dude hit 50 homers, right? He was still one of the best hitters in baseball. But it was, I think, 20 stolen bases rather than 50 plus. And I don't think anybody should think he was going to steal 50 bases again. I think the shoulder injury makes that even less likely. I still think he's a 25.

steal threat. And he was still the number seven player in 2023 in only 135 games. So I don't think he's the slam dunk number one. I think you can definitely consider Bobby Witt at number one. I think there are reasonable arguments to be made that Bobby Witt is also not going to be as good in 2025 as he wasn't 2024.

He probably doesn't hit 330 again or whatever it was. So I haven't decided who my number one overall player is going to be in a Roto league. I'm still leaning towards Shohei, but I think it's a little more wide open, like you said. I think it's totally defensible. If you want to take the younger up-and-coming Bobby Wood Jr., extremely durable, you know what you're going to get. It seems like 30-30 is kind of like the floor, the baseline for him. Would it surprise anyone if he goes like 40-40? I don't think so.

And I think that's a stealing. Yeah, I think that's within the realm of possibility for sure. Yeah, and he's just continuing to get better, right? It's like an awesome batting average too. I did plug in based on what you said, one stolen base every 24 plate appearances. Steamer currently has Otani projected for 689 plate appearances, which I do think is generous.

That's a lot of plate appearances. That's a lot, yeah. If you do the calculation, it's 28 steals. So I don't, yeah, will he get to 28? I probably project some. higher end. I'd probably project something like 25. I think for Oatani. But again, it's like just a couple

other risk factors entered in here now with Shohei Otani. Seventh overall in this draft was Jose Ramirez followed by Muki Betz, Ronald Acuna, Kyle Tucker, who went to you, Fernando Tatis, and Julio Rodriguez and more has changed. Ronald Acuna was

taken ninth overall in this mock, and during the GM meetings that are happening this week, Alex Anthropolis said it does not seem like Acuna or Spencer Strider will be ready for opening day. Now this is the second time that we're kind of getting wind of something like this. We heard some whispers, you know, a month ago, something like that. And we just kind of brushed it off like, all right, you know, let's see how the offseason goes. He's kind of doubling down on it now, Chris. And look, it's very open-ended. You know, it could

be two weeks. It could be two months. Like, we have no idea how much time they're going to miss. But I think the feeling here is that he's going, they're both going to miss at least some time. Ronald Acuna and Spencer Strider. Yeah. And with Acuna, you look at the timetable for his last ACL tear. Based on that one, he should be ready for opening day, but everything's different. And when you are, you know, as we're recording, we're a little less than six months away from opening day,

but not much less than six months from opening day. So like, if the timetable is, gosh, let me do some quick math in my head. If the timetable is from today 20 to 27 weeks, that's a pretty wide range of possible outcomes. And it might just be that we get to February and it's suddenly, okay, yeah, we know he's going to be ready three days after opening day. Like he'll be a DH on opening day.

I think that's still possible despite these quotes. I think it's also possible at this point that it's May 1st or April 15th. You know, so that's, I just think when you're. this far away and this is a mock draft so it doesn't it doesn't matter in the same way that a draft that you actually play out would and i think if we were actually playing out drafts you'd probably see a little like a cunia's ADP in the first 15 NFBC drafts that have happened so far which are are they all like draft and hold and that type of like best ball and stuff like that i think it's mostly draft and hold at this point so you draft the team but there's no waivers or anything like

that whatever you draft is the team you have so he's 11th right now that's fine like the difference between nine and 11 is is basically nothing i think that's going to drop after this news though i i think he's going to be for sure in the second round i i would have a hard time pushing him much lower than 15 like we've talked a decent amount about this um and i guess we'll talk about it shortly i think there's a clear top 15 of hitters i don't think any of the pitcher should go in that top 15 and I think the first 15 hitters should be pretty much the same every time. In this draft, it goes down to Corbyn Carroll, who was the 15th pick. That's a part of why I think having a late first round pick is actually a real edge right now.

If you want to say Acuna should just be the 15th pick, I think that's perfectly reasonable. This is a guy we know has, I think, as high of upside as anybody in fantasy baseball. also I don't want to drop him too far right now when it's, yeah, he might not be ready for opening day. Okay, what does that actually mean? You know? Yeah, no, it's just, it's a very ambiguous statement and it's very open-ended. So we'll have to wait. I mean, this is kind of the danger of like, yes, you shouldn't be drafting this early.

Like normal people are not. And hopefully we do have more of that information once we get to February and March. Did want to mention with Mookie Betts, who went eighth overall in this draft, Dodgers GM, Brandon Gohm said the assumption is, is that Mookie Betts will move back to the infield. And, you know, again, doesn't say where. It could be shortstop. It could be second base.

But I hope it's second base. I mean, if he gets second base, Chris, does that make you move Mookie Betts up a few spots? You know, is he closer like a top five pick if he has that second base eligibility? So looking at the guys who went ahead of him, he went eighth overall in this draft. Otaniwit Judge, no.

Soto, no. Gunner and Ellie, I don't. think so. I think they're more sure to be standouts in the places that they are standouts, gunner and power and run production, Ellie, and stolen bases. I tend to think Mookie is more towards even the first half of the second round right now. So like, if you want to give him second base eligibility and say, hey, he's going to be eligible at the weakest position in fantasy, okay, I think you could move him up a little bit, but eighth overall,

like there's no way I'd take him over Jose Ramirez. I just couldn't do it even with second base eligibility, right? So I think eight is probably still close to the ceiling of where I'd rank him. I think that's totally fair. I think eight to 12 is probably the right range for Mookie Betts. Before we get into the second round, reminder that you can always listen to FBT and our five-minute podcast, Fantasy Baseball Today and Five, on Spotify.

Scan the QR code if you're watching on YouTube. and that will take you right to the FBT Spotify feed. Let's take our first break, and when we return into the second round, right after this. Welcome back in. Let's jump into the second round of our way too early mock draft here.

I have to remember to move this page on the side so that people can follow along with the draft results. But to begin the second round, we have Yordaun Alvarez, Francisco Lindor, Corbyn Carroll, who went to you, Chris, then Bryce Harper, Terrick Scoubel, and Paul Skeen. So those first three hitters, of round two, that represents the top 15 for you.

You are muted, sir. Yes, I was. And yes, that is the end of the top 15 for me. I really think outside of the top four. So Otani, Witt, Judge, and Soto. I think that will be, I think the top three will go off the board in some order, those three. I think Soto will just be the number four pick in pretty much every draft unless someone takes Paul Skeen, which has happened before.

Other than that, I think that's pretty set. I think 5 to 15 is basically wide open. And really, you could throw that stretch from Gunner Henderson to Corbyn Carroll in a hat and pull names out of it. And I'm not sure I would really disagree with the order. I think you can make a case for Vladimir Guerrero belonging in that group. I think you can make a case for Bryce Harper belonging in that group. But I think the top 15 is fairly clear. And this is why I said earlier,

I think having one of those last three picks in the first round can be such an edge in a 12 team league because I don't know if there should be any difference between Gunner Henderson and Kyle Tucker. I also don't know if there should be much difference between Gunner Henderson and Corby and Carroll. You look at what they've done over the past two years, which is basically the only two full seasons we've seen from Gunner Henderson and Corbyn Carroll.

it's Henderson has hit 18 more home runs he has 24 more RBI that's a big deal Corby carol has 19 more runs he has a slightly lower batting average he has 58 more stolen bases than Gunner Henderson so like I think what you've seen from those two guys in their first two years in the majors for fantasy purposes effectively identical like it's a different shape but the value is basically the same and you look at the early steamer rankings and her steamer projections. Carol's a $35.5 player. Gunner Henderson's a $39 player. That's not nothing, but would you rather have Gunner Henderson and Freddie Freeman or Gunner Henderson and Jaron Duran or Kyle Tucker and Corbyn Carroll? I think I'd rather have the Tucker Carroll part because I think those are two legitimate first. round type players. I mean, obviously, I know Jared Duran, what he did last year was not far off

from that, if at all. But I don't expect him to be quite that good. So I think, I think those final three picks in the first round in a 12 team league again are really, really valuable. Once those 15 are off the board, I think it opens up. You can go Bryce Harper. I think you can start to consider the pitchers, which is what happened here. You could go Duran. You can go trade. Turner, you could go Freddie Freeman, Vladimir Guerrero. Like I know talking to, I did Ariel Cohen's podcast, beat the shift at at first pitch, Arizona. And he still thinks Freddie Freeman should be a first rounder.

And I think that's reasonable. Like, I don't agree. I don't rank it that way. But the projectability of what Freddie Freeman gives you at the end of the first round or early second, perfectly reasonable to make that case. So I think that top 15 for me, I want two of those guys. I think is the way I'm looking at it. Yeah.

No, I really like the player combos that you get at the back end too. You got Tucker and Carol. We saw Julio and Alvarez paired up and Tatis and Lindor. I mean, you cover all bases,

man. It feels pretty awesome. Just getting back to something you said about Soto being the fourth overall pick and, you know, from 5 through 15, you can kind of juggle those guys.

I would put Soto in that mix personally, you know, in this early draft I'm doing. I had the ninth pick and I took Tucker over Soto. I don't know if that's right or wrong, but I just like the base that Tucker gives me more with the maybe 35 home runs, 20 steals, 280 batting average. You know, you forfeit a little bit. You know, you're not going to get as many steals with Soto, but you'll probably get more power, better batting average.

But it comes down to how you want to build your team. And for me, I'd rather have a few more steals, I think. And last year, I mean, Tucker took a big step forward as a hitter. It was only 78 games. It was interrupted by the world's longest day-to-day injury. but he was on a 45 homer pace when healthy last year and he didn't,

it's why he slowed down when he got healthy, right? Like he came back and basically played like I'll talk of the most if I'm remembering correctly. So like this is a guy we've seen steal 30 bases. We know he's in a great lineup. We know while he might not be a 320 hitter, he's hit 284 or better to the last two seasons

and three of the last four. So yeah, I like getting, if I could just lock in Kyle Tucker and Corbyn Carroll on every single draft, like from now until open day, if you could just guarantee me that combo every time, I would just not worry about the first two rounds ever again. Like that that's about as good as start as you can get. Let's move into the rest of the second round. Vladimir Guerrero went at 19 overall. Jaron Duran, Tray Turner went to Scott, Freddie Freeman, Jackson Turyo, and Raphael Devers to me. So we talked about this before.

If there's a chance that you could start, I mean, this isn't guaranteed to happen. But if you can start Ellie Dealer Cruz and Vlad, it just feels like a great combo. Yeah, because that's, Vlad is one of the players who can absolutely help make up for what Ellie lacks in, especially batting average. You know, Vlad is one of those guys who walks a decent amount,

but not like, like Juan Soto is a weird case where he was, you know, probably top five in the American. league in batting average this year, if I'm remembering correctly. But because he walks 17% of the time, 18% of the time, it actually like holds that batting average back a little bit, whereas Guerrero has great plate discipline, but he's more of like a 10 to 8% walk rate. So about half. So his batting average, even if him and wants Stoto hit for the same average, Vladimir Guerreras is more impactful on your team because he has a greater number of at bats to get those hits in. So, yeah, Vlad plus Ellie is also one that if you just, if you just told me I'd get that every time, I'd be fine with that as well. Yeah, but if Vlad is gone, then it kind of changes your calculation. I mean, you could go with like a Freddie Freeman, but, you know, I don't think you're guaranteed as much power from Freddie Freeman as you are from someone like Vlad at this point. And if it's like, Jared Duran that or Trey Turner, who were the next two hitters taken, it's overkill. It's real awkward. Yeah.

It's nice because like, okay, I don't need to worry. Like I literally do not need to think about stolen bases again. If I combine Trey Turner or Jared Duran. But as we talked about, I think two podcasts ago, we mentioned, it's just a lot easier to find power than speed at every single point in the draft now. Or a lot easier to find speed than power. Yeah. Yeah.

You know, you can get a lot of power early on in the drafts, but, you know, once you get past, like the top five, six rounds, it, you know, it dries up. You can, you can find real sacrifices. You can find pockets like the Muncie's and the Auhno Suarez's of the world, but they might hit 210. Yeah, yeah, that's certainly within the range of outcomes. I wanted to mention with Churio, 23 overall might shock some people.

His NFBC ADP so far, 21.07, so. And he was, gosh, did I mention it? Yeah, the, he was a 20-year-old last year. I think he turns 21 of March. March. He was the number 32 player in Roto Leagues, despite a relatively slow start. From June 1st on, he was number 17. And that was while being fourth on his own team in stolen base attempts. He's 97th percent on sprint speed. I have to assume that Jackson Trio is going to run a lot more in 2025. Now that he's like proven, I can hang. We got that down. Let's let the rest of the skill set grow. I think that's. the way they're going to approach it. Yeah, I can absolutely see maybe the power doesn't jump up tremendously. Again, he's still young.

I think, you know, as he gets into his mid-20s, that's kind of when we'll see the peak of his power. But can he hit 20 to 25 home runs with 40 steals? Absolutely. I think it's possible. Again, I wouldn't put it. And he might hit 3-10. I wouldn't project that.

It's not like his most likely scenario, but it is possible here for Jackson Trio. Let's jump into the third round of this draft. Hold on. Yep. Scobble and Skeens at 17 and 18 overall, I believe. Yep. I mean, we got to mention it.

Skeens, again, in those 15, it's only 15, but the 15 NFBC drafts that have gone so far, Paul Skeens is the number one pitcher. He is 11.4 and 80P, Terrick Scoobles, 13.6. Paul Skeens officially has gone as high as fifth, but in the draft that you're in, which has not finished and is not included in this, right? Not included. We're fourth. Fourth overall, yep. And so, like, I think Terrick Scuba will probably go ahead of Paul Skeens more often than not.

But if there's going to be a pitcher drafted in the top five, it's going to be Paul Skeen's, not Terrick Scouble. I don't think that's how it should be. I agree. Like, I think this is a perfectly reasonable spot for these guys to start going. And if, like, I have Wheeler ahead of Skeens, but I don't have a strong opinion about it. It kind of goes to what you're looking for. I don't think either of these pitchers should go ahead of that top 15. I think it's 16 and later is where they should start going.

Yep, I agree with both points. And it's not anything against Skeens. I think we all agree he's amazing. But for him to do that over a full season, we just saw Scoobel do that this past year. And he's going to win the side young, the whole Shabam. Scoobel didn't have a sub 2ERA. If you think Paul Skeens is just a true sub 2ERA pitcher,

go with God, take him fifth overall. He's going to be worth it. He's probably not. Like his underlying stats were still among the best in baseball, but they were among the best in baseball. Like his fit, his XERA, his Sierra, were not demonstrably better than Terrick Scoobles, who has already gone to the 190 inning threshold.

Skeen's maxed out, I think, a 160 this year. So it's not to say he can't do it, but Scoobel's done it, like you mentioned. So I would rather make that bet than schemes. Into the third round, Zach Wheeler went to me 25th overall. Jackson Merrill, Corbin Burns,

Cotell Marte, went to Scott, then Logan Gilbert and Jazz Chisholm. So at my pick, I started Otani, I took Devers at the end of round two. I didn't feel like there was a slam dunk pick. And again,

it goes back to what you were talking about with that top 15. It kind of opens up again in a different way from like you can make the argument from anyone in the middle of the second round to probably the end of the third, I think you can kind of shuffle those pieces around. So no one really set out to me.

I took Raphael Devers and then I took Zach Wheeler. So started my team, Otani, Devers, and Wheeler. I was debating Jackson Merrill. I was debating Citele. I kind of wish I went with one of the hitters, Chris, because the pitching, it fell in this draft overall. At the 4-5 turn, there were guys like Cole Regens and Dylan Seas and Gerard Cole.

They were all still there. I would have been fine with any of those as my SP1. Now, I don't know if every draft is going to play out like this, but again, this early draft that I'm doing, the same thing has happened. Pitching is falling.

So that's just kind of like the early read on, you know, what the ADP is going to look like. Will it stay that way? Probably not. Can I ask you a question? A second question after that question. Yes.

Because it's always like, can I ask you a question? Well, you just did. given that Rafael Devers is a zero in speed and we expect Shoyatani to take a big step back and stolen bases and maybe you're just not that worried about it did you give any consideration to Jazz Chisham at 25 overall or is that just too too rich for you? Not at all, yeah.

I would have taken Merrill over him easily and it's like there's definitely more upside I think with Jazz like look if he hits his 99th percentile out come, it's probably 30 home runs and 40 plus steals, something like that. If he just does what he did after getting traded to the Yankees. Yeah, like it was like 26 and 50. I totally get that. I also think he's still a massive injury risk.

I think there's some batting average, you know, liability there. And, you know, Jackson Merrill, he's only done it for one year. And I realize this is pretty early for him too. It's an early third round pick. But the skill set seems pretty safe. He makes a lot of contact. The batting average should be there. You know, can he go 2020?

Yeah, I think that's possible. So. I would have taken him. I would have probably taken Cotel Marte over Jazz Chism as well. So again, those were the names that I was debating. I want to just quickly mention, B. Don from Razball. He had the second pick in this draft. He started his team, Bobby Witt, Jackson Turyo, Jackson Merrill.

It's very fun. That's fun. That's really awesome there. It's entirely possible. That's three first round picks next year. That is entirely possible. You're right. The rest of the third round,

Willie Adamas went 31st overall, followed by Yoshinobu Yamamoto, Chris Sale, Austin Riley went to you, Chris, Mani Machado, and then Michael Harris. Now, look, I don't want to crush anybody in this draft. It's so early in the process, but Adamas at 31st overall, it feels early. He just finishes the 14th overall player in Roto. I get that, but it just feels like a clear outlier season in a contract year. We have no idea where he's going to be playing yet.

I kind of think that I think the Giants are going to go pretty hard after Willie Adamas, and I don't know that that would be the greatest landing spot for him. So this is early. Chapman did just steal a career high on basis. So if you're hoping that Willie Adomas is 21 steals, 21 steals, right? Yeah. If you're hoping that sustains, maybe that's not a bad place for him to land. But I agree.

It was a career year. You're not paying full price because this is, you know, 17 picks later than his actual finish. But this was a guy who was going 60 spots later than this in last year's draft. So I agree that that's not the pick I would. would have gone with. There are several players, but it, it's, like you said, it's tough at this point to care too much about the specific order when we know everyone's using different lists. The lists aren't in the draft room. It's easy to forget. There were several times, if you look at the, we have the chat transcript in CBS leagues that you can look at.

There were several players where people were like, oh my God, I totally forgot about that guy. that happens in this when you're doing this yeah yeah for sure i wanted to highlight your pick of austin riley 34th overall it just seems awesome you know at the time we figured that's probably later than he's ever going to go in you know normal drafts his early 80p is 32.7 so i don't get it i like if if you can get austin riley in the mid to the end end of third round in a lot of drafts i know he's not going to give you any speed but again it's like to get a hitter who can 280 with 30 plus home runs just to build that baseline out

and then you kind of have that batting average and that power for later on when you want to take the Xavier Edwards or Andres Jimenez's of the world like you need that power and that batting average base if you want to take those guys so I yeah I think Austin Riley in the third is

is going to be an awesome pick yeah from June 1st on he was on a 30 homer pace while hitting 275 and now like he was Austin Riley after a cold two months and then his season came to an early end with a hand or wrist injury that we have no concerns about lingering moving forward. So there was like, what, a nine, nine pick, 10 pick, 11 pick gap between him and Raphael Devers. I know.

When I took Devers. They should basically just go at the same time. I felt terrible. I was like, well, I don't know. Should I have let Devers go? Yeah. Should he be more of a late third round pick? But.

And in those NFC drafts, Devers ADP is 31. Riley's 32.7. They're one spot apart. Yeah. It kind of feels like. They should probably be early third round picks. Like late second, early third round picks, both Devers and Austin Riley for next season.

All right, let's take our final break. When we return, we'll talk about some other surprising picks from like the middle to later rounds of the draft. Obviously, we're not going to go in depth on every single round because there's other things that we want to get to. And obviously, you could check out the results on the site. But let's take that break. And we got two articles about this on the site.

One from Scott, one from me. Scott recapped it. And yeah, you had a newsletter. that also came out as an article. So people can check that out as well. Let's take our final break. We'll return right after this. Welcome back in.

Let's take a look at some of the surprising picks from this way too early 2025 mock draft. And I wanted to talk about some of the U-Til-only guys, which we've already had lots of conversations about. I think we actually did on our previous podcast. In this draft, Brent Roker went 47th overall. Marcel O'Suna went at 58 to you. And then Kyle Schrober went at pick 60.

So in a vacuum, Chris, if those guys are going in rounds four through six, how do you feel about that? I think, I think they're all fine. Rooker ranking at the top of the Util Only list makes sense because we did learn he played all of last season basically. I think from like March 8th on or May 8th on with a forearm strain that he ended up having surgery on. That's why he didn't play the outfield for most of the final five months of the season. and they've already come out and said, we expect him to play the outfield pretty regularly. So it might be a couple of weeks, but I would be surprised if Brent Rooker's not

outfield eligible relatively early on. And so giving him that edge makes perfect sense, even though I made the case in the most recent podcast, that we probably just shouldn't be dinging the Util-only guys very much at all. Rooker was a top 10 hitter last season. Ozuna and Schwaber were, I think, both top 20. so I'm going to draft a lot of the util only guys this year I think yeah Rooker according to the

Razball playerator was 12th overall then Schwabber if my computer Osuna should have been ahead of swarber I would guess Ozuna was actually 11th yeah yeah and then Schwaber was 16th yeah so all top 20 players and again you shouldn't draft them there but I said this in our last podcast if I can get any of those guys outside the top 50 it's something I think I think I'm going to want to do. Obviously there's... The Roper wasn't quite out, so he was 47 overall. Yeah.

I think that's fine. There's still batting average risk with Schwabber. I mean, just because he hit, you know, 250-ish last year, he kind of changed up his batted ball profile. It doesn't mean that'll happen again. I mean, there were other years where he batted, he hit around 200, 210. So that's still in his range of outcomes. But yeah, I do feel a little bit better about Rooker and Ozuna,

at least with the batting average on their end. No discounts on post-hype prospect. Thanks. Junior Caminero, 64th overall. That was the fourth pick of round six, and Jackson Holiday, 80th overall, the eighth pick of round seven. These are two things that might just be unique to this mock draft, because the early ADP, Camerro is at 107.9, and Jackson Holiday is at 204. And you look at Caminero, what you see in the NFC ADP that we've referenced. Min pick is 76, max pick. is 155. There's going to be a widespread there until March rolls around and he hits four home runs in his first seven spring training games. And then he's just going to be a fourth round pick.

Like I think that's a realistic outcome. But right now what you're going to see is some people are really bullish on him and are going to take the plunge really early. I don't like I think 64th overall you said. Yeah. That's too early. I think Holiday at 80. especially as too early,

has been picking those 15 drafts is 160. So like, it's not that they can't be worth that. You just don't need to do it. And so I think this was just a one-off. And you'll see those guys going several rounds later in most drafts. Maybe this just means I won't wind up with any Caminero, but I'm not sure I want to use a top 100 pick on him.

Once we get to 100, I think that's totally fine to start to, you know, look at him given, you know, his upside. but obviously he's he's unproven. There are a lot of other players in that range that have done it many times before. So yeah, I think it would be if it's any higher than like top 100,

I'm probably going to be out on Camerro. What I think is really interesting is the way Mark Viantos and Junior Camerro and Jordan Westberg represent like a mini tier in the NFC ADP so far. Viantos is 102, Camerro is 108, Westberg is 1,11.

And then there's 25, 20 picks or so to Jake Berger. And I get it. I like those three players, Viantos, Camerro, and Westberg. You see Eugenio Suarez at 192. That feels like a click I'd much rather make. You know, like even Bregman, 70, 50 picks later, I get the flaws with Bregman, but... I think people are waiting to see where he lands to.

But like if we get to the end of this season and there just isn't much difference between Junior Kamenaro and Malix Breggman, I wouldn't really be surprised at all. I don't know. Maybe I'm a hypocrite now because you brought up that mini tier and in this mock draft we did, I took Westberg at 72nd overall. And, you know, now seeing a little bit more of the data like, yeah, I probably... He's second base eligible, right? I probably took him too early. Yeah, he's second and third base eligible. That helps. But, you know, we've seen more of him so far. And again, it's a small sample size,

but we've seen more of him than Camdenaro, where Westberg has looked better. And the stack has state is there. The sprint speed is awesome. So I've really kind of, that's one player. I've kind of, I want to be very,

like, be cautious of this, kind of like anchoring my opinion to a player early on in the process and just sticking with that player, because I'm already starting to field that with Westberg, where I almost want to get him in every draft. Like that's just like the way my mind is thinking about it.

But it doesn't necessarily have to be that way. So let's move on to, Spencer Strider, who went 70th overall, and we spoke about the news earlier that Spencer Strider might not be ready for opening day. We spoke more about where we think Akunia should go. What do you think about Strider, Chris? I mean, this is so interesting because,

I mean, even if he returns on May 1st, he could be a top five pitcher from May 1st on, right? We just, again, it's kind of ambiguous. We don't really, we don't know right now. Yeah, it's a very, very wide range of possible outcomes because if he's just, the best pitcher in baseball from whenever he gets back. If it's May 1st, getting him, you know, what is he, the 20th SP overall,

something like that, you're not going to feel bad about that at all. But it's never a guarantee with guys coming back from Tommy John surgery. We like to think it is, especially if it's a first Tommy John surgery. And I think for the most part, guys tend to get back. But one setback or if he's just not 100%, you know, The thing is we're viewing the internal brace, not Tommy John's surgery as a positive. We don't know. We just don't have a lot of data on the internal brace surgery.

We don't know how it impacts players, especially in their first year back, because there just are not many starting pitchers who have done it. And so this is the same with Shohei Otani, pitcher only. I just, I think closer to 90 would probably be. feel a little better for Strider, especially when you see some of the names, one name in particular, who went behind him. I'd clearly rather have Garrick Crochet than Spencer Strider. But like, we talked about it in the most recent podcast.

I think you can make a case for Garer Crochet as a top five starting pitcher in fantasy. So let's talk about Garretre Crochet. That is what we call in the business a transition. 78th overall in this draft. And you pretty much said it, Chris. I mean, I think by the time he gets traded, I think it's almost a guarantee that he's going to be traded. He's going to be on a better team.

He's not going to have restrictions. He's going to be a top eight SP and ADP by then. I was going to say, like, top 10 pitcher drafted inside the top 50. And those two things could be even higher. It could be like top five pitcher drafted as like a top three round pick. I don't think that's crazy. If we are just doing with Garrett Crochet what we're doing with Paul Schemes, which is looking at the elite skill set

and projecting a full season of that, I genuinely do not think there is much of a difference between the two of them, just in the skill set that they showed last year. Gary Crochet led baseball in strikeout rate, he led baseball in strikeout minus walk rate. He had a 269 FIP, which was a quarter of a run higher than Paul Skeens.

His Sierra right in that same range, XERA, I think actually might have been little better for Garrick Crochet because he's a very good quality of contact guy. He added a sinker at the end of the season that I think is very interesting. Yeah, I think, I think Gary Crochet, I haven't officially done it yet. I think he probably should be a top 10 starting pitcher. Let's talk about some of those other Tommy John returnees and Shane McClainahan. Shane O. Mac, do I have the sound drop?

And I do. Here comes the money. Here we go. Money talks. Shane McClainhan, 88th overall. That's in the eighth round of a 12-team league. Felix Bautista at 12-1st overall. That's in the 11th round.

Jacob de Grombe, 126th overall. That was also the 11th round. And Sandy Alcansar went 169th overall, which was in the 15th round. I think, honestly, all four are probably going to move up a lot from this. I think the ones I probably agree with most are Felix Bautista and de Grom. Like, I don't know that Shane McClain, I understand we spoke about him

and like the rest of the industry is probably going to be excited. Like, Shane O'Mack is probably going to be a top 75 pick at least. His NFC ADP is not that. It's a small sample size, but it's 114. Oh, okay. Yeah, it could be.

Yeah, it's the 48 pitcher. There are probably 10 relievers. And I think top 36-ish is right for Shane McClain. So I think that ADP is actually perfectly on board because the thing about Shane O. Mack that nobody wants to talk about is we've got one unbelievably good season. That was 2022. He had a 254 ERA and a 279 XERA, elite strikeout numbers, best control of his career. 2021, he had an XERA over four.

23 before his injury, he had an XERA over 4 again. And his strikeout rate has been in the very good, but not elite range of like 25 to 27%. In 2023 or 22, I think it was 31%. That is one elite season, two good seasons, but more SP2 to 3, more like Freddie Peralta-ish. And now he's coming back from his second Tommy John surgery. So I think as your third starting pitcher with a ton of upside makes a lot of sense. But notably, I don't think you can do that if you took. Tyler Glassnow.

Yeah. Or something like that. Yeah. Tyler Glassnow, Blake's now, Jacob de Grom. Yoshiamamoto. Like I, these are great pitchers. I think they're all supremely talented. There are enough injury concerns with them that.

Shane McClanahan has to be more of a mid-rotation arm for fantasy and not your, he can't be your second big risk at the pitching position. So I think if anything, the ADP, the picks for McClanahan and DeGrom should probably be flipped. DeGrom should be around 90th and McClanahan should be around 125 because we've seen Jacob deGrom come back from this second time John's surgery. It was only 10 innings. He more or less looked like him. himself, right? Like, velocity was down a little bit. I don't know if that's actually a bad thing

for Jacob de Grom. His velocity was down to the lowest it had been since 2019. 2019, he won a Cy Young. He was the best pitcher in baseball. He had 243 R.A. You know, like I think if he's only averaging 97 with his forcing fastball, DeGroms still might be the best pitcher in baseball. This early ADP on DeGrom, Chris, 37.5? That I can't. I cannot get on board with him as a top 10 pitcher. There is no way. And look, there's people playing for an overall in this contest. Maybe in like home leagues he's going to be a fourth or fifth round pick.

Even that, like the risk versus reward. The reward is he's the SP1. In fantasy, he returns first round value. I think the odds of that happening are just so low. We have not seen this guy throw more than 92 innings in a season since like 2018, right? Or 2019, something like that? Now, I think it's 2019. team, but here is the counter argument there.

He threw 92 innings in 20, 21, if I'm remembering correctly. Yeah, it was 2021, yeah. And that's the most. He threw 92 innings. Would you like to guess where Jacob de Grom finished in the Fangraphs auction calculator in the 2021 season? Just among starting pitchers or overall? Just among starting pitchers.

In 92 innings where he had a 108 ERA and a 0.55 whip. He was probably a top 15 starting pitcher. You hate Jacob de Grom. Jacob de Grom was the number three starting pitcher in 2020. So that's what people will point to, right? That's also three, like by the time he pitches next season, we're four years removed from that happening. Yeah, he was 32, I think that year.

30. Why am I? 32? Why am I struggling with that, that math? Yeah. Okay, 32, 33, something like that. He's going to be 37 next year. So that's also, I think it's perfectly reasonable to think that's the ceiling.

There's just not a change. Like, I think I didn't rank him inside my top 40 in my first run through of rankings. That's too low. He probably needs to be top 24. Yeah. I think it's much closer to 24 than 12. I haven't done rankings yet, but I don't know that Glassnow and DeGroms should be that far apart. And maybe that's not fair to say.

DeGrom's better. I mean, he should be. Like, I hope that DeGrom proves me wrong. Like, he's so amazing to watch. And I hope he throws 150 innings and he's like a top five pitcher. It's just, I cannot bank on it at all. The case for DeGrom being well ahead of Glass now is fairly simple, though. Glass now is currently hurt.

I mean, is he still hurt now? I mean, he ended the season hurt. Is he? Yeah, he was hurt the last time we saw. He had an elbow strain. The last time we saw him, Jacob de Grom did not. So given their very similar injury track records,

I think it's reasonable to go with DeGrom. All right, let's wrap things up with some news and notes. Again, some interesting tidbits from the GM meetings that are going on right now. Obviously, we spoke about Otani, Akunia and Strider. those were the news items of the utmost importance. Alex Breggman underwent surgery to remove a bone spur from his right elbow,

and that elbow gave Breggman trouble for most of the second half. He should be 100% well ahead of spring training, and some of the early rumors coming out is that obviously the Astros are making him a priority to bring him back. The Washington Nationals have been rumored to be in on Breggman. They have a lot of money to spend, so it wouldn't surprise me if maybe not one of the first, of the top tier free agents, but like a Christian Walker or someone you wouldn't expect just winds up with the nationals

this offseason. So. Yeah, I think that's reasonable, yeah. Yep. On to some other news, Blue Jay's GM, Ross Atkins was asked about trading Boba Shett. He said, quote, it's an easy no. All right. I don't get it, but sure. Yeah, you know, like, what else is he going to say, right?

Yeah. You never know what's happening. Like occasionally GMs will just come out and say, yeah, we're not bringing that guy back. but it's pretty rare. Yeah. So this could just be what we in the industry call a lie. Yeah. As we speculated on our last podcast,

Wilson Contreras will be a full-time first basement and DH next season. Yvonne Herrera and Pedro Pahez will split catcher duties. And this is pretty big news because Contreras is going to see more playing time than your average starting catcher. In fact, it might be a lot more playing time. And he just has to stay on the field. Now, that has been a problem. maybe this will help.

You know, he's not crouching down. He's had a lot of leg injuries in his career, hamstring, knee, calf, stuff like that. So if he's playing for his base and he's deaching half the week, maybe this helps keep contraris on the field. You would hope so, man, because he is still a legitimate impact bat. I mean, you look at the expected Wobah three seasons in a row.

He's been top 10 in MLB, not top 10, top 10%, excuse me, not among catchers. That's top 10% among all players, 364, 373, 366. He hasn't underperformed those by very much. His quality of contact data is exceptional. I think he should be the number seven catcher as a result of this news. Like clear cut, no doubt about it. He's number seven right behind Cal Rally or whichever.

I think that's where Scott and I both had Cal Raleigh in Roto Leagues. I think you can make a case for him at number four. I think he is on a per game basis probably a better hitter than Salvador Perez. And certainly he's younger. I think that's true. That feels true. No, that's true. And now he's not going to be playing catchers.

So the injury risk should be lower. The playing time should be comparable, but I think you'd give an edge to Wilson Contreras. So I won't rank him there, but I think you can make a very strong case for. him there. All right. The Blue Jays are open to moving Vladimir Guerrero Jr. to third base if they're able to acquire a first baseman this offseason. We keep hearing the Dodgers would be overwhelming favorites to sign Japanese phenom Roki Sasaki if he's posted from the Nippon professional

baseball league. He's 23 years old. He throws 100 miles per hour. I know Lance Brozdowski has a video on his YouTube channel that I highly recommend checking out, which breaks down Roki Sasaki in depth. But Chris, if Sasaki gets posted, even if he doesn't go to the Dodgers, if he winds up in Major League Baseball, like there's an argument for him to be drafted as like a top 20, top 15 starting pitcher right away. You almost said top 12. I was a feel like I had to stop myself. The thing to keep in mind with Roki Sasaki is on a talent basis, he might be the most talented pitcher to come over to from Japan. I mean, genuinely ever, right? Like we're talking about a, a guy who sits 98, 99 when he's healthy. Touches 101. 101. 102. He's got a crazy splitter. He's got a great slider. We talked

about it. I think it was the start of the 2023 season. He threw a perfect game, followed it up with eight perfect innings in his next start before being pulled. The stuff readings have been off the charts. at times. However, he missed time in 23 with an oblique injury. He missed, I think, the first month or two of the 2024 season with an arm

injury of an unspecified nature is the best way to put it. And his stuff readings were way down. His strikeout rate plummeted in 2024, still very good, especially relative to Japan. He had 129 and 111 innings,

but this is the guy who's never thrown more than 130 innings in a season. This is a guy who has had injuries the last couple of seasons and has never pitched in a five-man rotation and likely wouldn't. So there's a workload ceiling that's pretty hard of probably 150 innings or 160 innings. Then there's the injury risk. Then there's just, we think he's really good, but we don't know.

Sure. So I think he's going to be drafted as a top 20 pitcher if he comes over. And to be clear, it's not at all. certain because because he's not 25 years old yet, he is still subject to the international amateur signing pool, which if he signs before December, I think the most he could reasonably get is like $2.5 million. Or if he signs after December, a team could use their whole budget, and it would be like $7 million. If he waits two more years, he gets the Oshenobo Yamamoto contract if he's healthy, right? He gets $300 million. So the financial,

incentives are strongly in favor of Roki Sasaki not coming over this offseason. They were also strongly in favor of Shahi Otani not coming over. This would, if he comes over now, he becomes a major league free agent at 28. So that could be certainly appealing. But it's last I saw there was like a breakdown in contract talks with the Chihuaholote Marines, I think is the team he plays for now. And that's what's spurring this. We don't know if he's going to be posted.

I'd still say it's more likely than not. And I think we probably want to be a little cautious with Roki Sasaki, even though he's the most talented pitcher, not currently in Major League Baseball. Yeah. Well, I'm counting prospect, right? So like Andrew Painter, Jackson Job. I think if you blind those guys all up,

maybe someone takes Jackson Job ahead of him, but he's right there with those guys. Yeah. All right. I got a little over my skis on Roki Sasaki. Chris, talk me down a little bit. Well, I just, I'm writing about starting pitchers for tomorrow's FBT newsletter, subscribe, CBSSports.com slash newsletters. And I'm doing like the 10 biggest questions at starting pitcher for 2025 because frankly, I wasn't ready to write my full preview. So I needed a little time to get my thoughts in order. And that was one of the big. Do I need to know about Roki Sasaki yet? Here's what you need to know about him. Yeah. the way I'm framing it.

It's incredible context, and it's obviously it's good to know because someone like me or someone listening might say, wow, this guy's a phenom, we got to draft him top 20 starting pitcher. All right, let's throw some cold water on a little bit. Maybe he's more of like you draft him as like your SP3. Kind of what you said about McClanahan, right? Like SP3 with a bunch of upside, but there's some pretty clear downside. And we're getting ahead of ourselves.

We don't know if he's going to come over or not. If you want to learn about Japanese baseball, a lot of what I've said about rookie society, has come from Yakiyu Cosmo on Twitter. So check that account out. Great resource for Japanese baseball. Athletics GM David Forst told reporters Brent Rooker will not be traded this offseason.

We'll see. Royce Lewis could be used more at second base next season. Could pick up some dual eligibility. Second base. That would help, obviously. Wouldn't mind that. Brian Cashman spoke a bit about the Yankees infield. He said the possibility of

spoke about the possibility of signing a third baseman and moving jazz chisholm back to second base also mentioned the possibility of just promoting within the organization and he actually mentioned a name Caleb Durbin. I saw him at the AFL. I saw him last year too, so he's played in the NFL two years

in a row. He's this small dude packs of punch, he's 24 years old played this year at AAA. He had a really good season. He hit 275, 10 home runs, 31 steals, 839 OPS. And he did that in right around 100 games, maybe less than 100 games. It was, you know, it wasn't a full season.

Plate discipline is awesome too. Yeah, no, he's... More walks and strikeouts in his professional career. For deeper leagues that you definitely should know. Again, that's Caleb Durbin. And listening to Brian Cashman talk, the vibe that I got is that Glaber Torres is gone. I mean, you never know.

Maybe he just kind of drags it out all off season. No one wants to give him a multi-year deal. And, you know, the Yankees say, all right, we'll take you back, one-year deal, prove it, blah, blah, blah, you're back on the market. But the vibe that I got. is, Glaver is probably not back with the Yankees. Apparently the Braves are interested in Nathan Avaldi,

Giants President of Baseball Ops Buster Posey, which just sounds weird. And not yesterday yet. Said the team will be looking for a shortstop this offseason rather than putting Tyler Fitzgerald there on an everyday basis. My guess is they probably view Fitzgerald more like a super utility type where they, you know, they move them around the infield, the outfield,

whatever it might be. But hearing them talk about a shortstop, Chris, that's what kind of makes me think they could be in on Willie Adomas. The Angels signed Kyle Hendricks to a one year $2.5 million deal. It's a pretty bad rotation. So Hendricks will probably get a chance

to play, but he also had a $5.92 ERA and a $1.45 whip. So there's that. Yeah, he almost certainly doesn't matter. They have some young guys that I kind of want to see what they could do. Like Kate and Dana and Spencer, Samuel, Al-Degeri.

I want to see what some of those young guys could do. No love for young Kyle Hendrix, Jack Kohanowitz. Wow. That's fantastic. You can learn from him. Who else for him to learn from? Two dudes who never strike anyone out, just vibing on the mound. Wow.

I mean, stream your hitters against the Angels. There's going to be a lot of balls in play next season. And last but at least, the Rangers hired Skip Schumacher as a senior advisor of baseball operations. and it kind of just feels like he's the successor to Bruce Bogey whenever he retires for good. I know that the Marlins were close, Chris,

to signing a manager. Have they announced it yet? I don't think so. Their top two candidates both backed out. So I think they've been looking at Dodgers first base coach. First base coach. Yeah, I'm not going to pretend

to have any opinions about the relative quality of any managerial candidates. Yeah. Let alone, first timers. I have no idea. Fair enough. We were going to kind of wrap everything up with talking about our teams, how they wound up in this mock draft and look at the infield, outfield, and pitchers for both Chris and I, but we're out of time here. We're going to do it on our FBT and 5, a bonus one that's coming out Saturday. It'll be in this FBT feed, so check that out.

Listen, you can find out how our teams turned out. And again, the articles are on the site if you want to follow along with the draft results. We are going to wrap there. For Chris, I am Frank. Thanks as always for tuning in some fantasy baseball today. Please make sure to follow and leave a five-star rating on Apple or Spotify, and we will be back again next week. Bye-bye. Paramount Podcasts.