Fantasy Baseball Today - Third Base Recap & Early 2023 Rankings! (11/15 Fantasy Baseball Podcast)
Episode Date: November 15, 2022How does third base look after the 2022 season (4:40)? ... Jose Ramirez is as consistent as they come (6:05). ... Do we have any concerns about Manny Machado (9:16)? ... Austin Riley has settled in as... an elite third baseman (11:51). ... Nolan Arenado bounced back in the batting average department (15:15). ... Scott has a bone to pick with early Bobby Witt Jr. ADP (21:14). ... Rafael Devers slowed up late in the season (28:45). ... Brandon Drury is a hard player to value (33:36). ... Alex Bregman doesn't have much upside at this point (35:49). ... Eugenio Suarez and Matt Chapman provide power but not much else (39:00). ... News (44:02): Clayton Kershaw is back with the Dodgers. ... Where does Gunnar Henderson rank heading into 2023 (51:21)? ... What kind of value do Jose Miranda and Josh Jung have for next season (57:42)? Fantasy Baseball Today' is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Google Podcasts, Castbox and wherever else you listen to podcasts. Get 20% off Fantasy Baseball Today merch: https://store.cbssports.com/collections/fantasy-baseball-today?utm_source=podcast-apple-com&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=buy-our-merch&utm_content=fantasy-baseball-collection Follow FBT on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@fbtpod?_t=8WyMkPdKOJ1&_r=1 Follow our FBT team on Twitter: @FBTPod, @CTowersCBS, @CBSScottWhite, @Roto_Frank Join our Facebook group at https://www.facebook.com/groups/fantasybaseballtoday Sign up for the FBT Newsletter at https://www.cbssports.com/newsletters/fantasy-baseball-today/ For more fantasy baseball coverage from CBS Sports, visit https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/ To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ Subscribe to our YouTube channel: youtube.com/FantasyBaseballToday You can listen to Fantasy Baseball Today on your smart speakers! Simply say "Alexa, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Baseball Today podcast" or "Hey Google, play the latest episode of the Fantasy Baseball Today podcast." To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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Now here's Frank, Scott, and Chris.
Fun fact, each of the top five third baseman in ADP entering the season
finished top six at the position,
and each of them finished top 40 overall in Roto.
Not too shabby.
Welcome in to Fantasy Baseball.
today on Tuesday, November 15th. I am Frank Stamphle, and he is back. Scott White is back. The crowd goes
wow. Hello there, Scott. How is your time off? How are you doing, buddy? I'm doing well.
My time off was good, relaxing, and much needed after the long season that was. I kept working
straight through October. I mean, you're always kind of anxious. You know, the end of September,
it feels like a finish line. But I, I,
delayed it a bit, delayed gratification.
And it was nice.
And I'm back.
Back to talk more.
Baseball as the hot stove begins to heat up.
And we're about to talk about what may be the most interesting position of all heading into 2023.
Yes, indeed.
Today on the show, we will do a third base recap year in review.
Look at the top 10 at the position.
And then we will take an early look at Scott's top 20 at third base heading into 2023.
You mentioned Scott, obviously you took some time off.
I had some time off as well.
It went out to the Arizona Fall League, some first pitch Arizona.
A lot of fun.
Got to see Matt Mervis in person.
He was everything you could have hoped for and then some.
But we'll have all off-season and talk about him.
I think you're now the...
What is it?
It's not the captain of the hype train, right?
I guess the...
You're driving this train, Frank, for Matt Mervis.
I think I have to transatl,
for my hat, my engineer hat to you and let you take the wheel or whatever you drive a train with.
Because, like, we did our first mock for CBS, 12-team roto league.
There have been some mocks out there in the industry, most of them 15-team rotos.
You know, nobody really plays in those kinds of leagues except industry people.
So we did a 12-teamer, but, Frank, you took Matt Mervis so early.
Did I?
How early did I take him?
It was like around 17 or something.
a 12 teamer.
Ah, that sounds like a great time to take Matt Murdo's.
What he's talking about?
That's what I mean.
You're driving the train.
Ah, I am the conductor.
I am the captain now of the Matt Mervis train.
But yes, I'm sure we'll talk about them all season.
We'll see what the Cubs do at first base.
If they bring someone in, there's been some rumors about that.
You know, Scott, I had this idea that once free agency opened,
we would get all this player movement because of last year.
Remember when it reopened after the lockout?
Oh yeah.
And there was just so much going on.
I think,
because that's what happened most recently
in the most recent off season
that I just had this idea in my head
that it was going to happen again
and now I'm being reminded
that most off seasons
are usually really, really slow.
So I don't know when things are going to pick up
but obviously we've got winter meetings
coming up in December, so on and so forth.
Any breaking news that happens,
we will likely have an emergency podcast
in your feed.
But let's jump into the position, Scotty.
You mentioned this could be
the most interesting position.
Third base.
very top heavy. I think there is a very clear top five, potentially top six at the position.
Really, if you look at the top eight that rounds out with like Bregman and Gunner Henderson,
I really want one of those guys heading into next season to be my starter because then you get
into Matt Chapman and Ehuyahuehanyos Juarez and those guys are okay, but I don't really want
them to be my starter at third base. So there's elite talent up top, but it falls off a cliff quite
quickly. Yeah, I would say six really, really good options that are going to be drafted. I think within
the first three rounds, though, one of them, based on very early ADP data, it's possible he slips to
round four, even five. But then after that six, you know, you mentioned Alex Breggman, Gunner
Henderson, and I would also put Max Muncie in there. There's three kind of fallback options if you
miss out on on that elite group of six and then after that it's it it's dreadful it's dreadful and
obviously we're stretching it a bit with munsey because he was basically dreadful for for 2020 season
got things back on track the final two months but you know obviously the overall number's not where
you want to see them from munsey and he's also eligible at second base so it's very likely somebody
drafts him there before you get a chance to take him at third base all right well let's jump in and
we will recap the position, the number one third baseman this past season. No surprise. It was Jose
Ramirez who finished fifth overall in Roto. He averaged 3.8 fantasy points per game. That was first
at the position in points leagues. And ADP before the season, Jose Ramirez was being drafted as
the fourth overall player. And he's been incredibly consistent each of the past three seasons. He
hasn't finished lower than sixth overall in any of those seasons. He hit 280, 29 homers,
126 RBI, 20 steals as well.
I think we're well past that blip that we saw Scott
in 2018 and 2019.
Again, just so consistent, high floor,
relatively high ceiling for Jose Ramirez as well.
The only knock on him is that over
the final three months of the season,
he did falter, basically the second half.
He hit 266 with a 780 OPS from July 1st on.
And it turns out that he was playing
with a torn ligament in his thumb.
He did have surgery on that last week,
expected to be ready for spring training.
Everything is good there.
I have no concerns here, Scott.
To me, he's penciled in as a top three pick in fantasy.
Yeah, I didn't have any concerns.
And then that news came out about his thumb
and how he was playing through that injury for much of the year.
And it kind of explains the second half struggles, doesn't it?
It's funny a lot of times how after the fact,
we find out that there was this major variable impacting a player's production.
The same thing was true of Jesse Winker.
I think one other, Lordus Guerriel,
Jesse Winker and Lordeus Gariel had similar injuries,
situations where they were playing through it for much of the year
and probably explains why their production was down so much.
Having said that, Jose Ramirez still ended up,
29 homers, 20 steals, 280 batting average.
Not only is he slam dunked the number one third baseman in fantasy,
but I think he's very much in the running to go number one overall.
I do have Aaron Judge ahead of him,
but that's it.
I have Ramirez second over on my own personal rankings,
and part of it is because of that scarcity at third base.
Yes, there are six really high-end players there,
but there's a good chance, you know,
if you are picking one or two, you don't take Ramirez,
there's a good chance the top five are gone before it gets back to you.
Yeah.
And so you're then having to try and thread the needle at that position,
not many alternatives if you want standout production there.
So other than Judge and he's just such an outlier in terms of power,
I think for the position scarcity, Ramirez is who I would go with at the start of the draft.
I said this last week on a podcast with the Welsh where in a head-to-points league,
I think Aaron Judge is easily the number one player.
In a Roto or Categories League, I've taken a little bit of a step back.
since the season ended.
I think there's an argument for any of Jose Ramirez,
Trey Turner, or Aaron Judge to be the top three picks in any order,
whatever order you want that to be.
Of course, we got to see where Trey Turner winds up in free agency.
But anyway, yes.
The point is Jose Ramirez is locked in inside that top three.
Manny Machado was the second best third baseman this past season.
He finished eighth overall in Roto.
He averaged 3.5 fantasy points per game.
That was second best among third baseman.
His ADP coming into the season was 21.8.
he was the third, third basement off the board.
So he did give you a little bit of profit there inside the first two rounds.
He hit 298, 32 homers, 100 runs, 102 RBI, nine steals, contributed all five categories.
Obviously, not many steals, but this is typically what Manny Machado does provide.
Last year, Scott, in the offseason, we were talking about how Machado underperformed his expected numbers
and why we were buying back in and, you know, we were happy to take him as a second round pick.
I think most people are still happy to take him in that range.
But now things have kind of reversed with the expected numbers
where he overperformed quite a bit this year.
Strikeout rate jumped a little bit.
He's not old by any means, but he's starting to get up there a tad,
just a tad bit to any of those things worry you
when it comes to Machado.
No.
No, not really.
And because we've seen his steals kind of fluctuate over the years,
he's not a particularly fast runner,
but we have seen him make a noteworthy contribution in steals off and on 20 and 2015, 14 and 2018, 12 in 2021.
And even in the short 60 game season, 2020, he had six in 60 games.
So there are times when he has been somebody who matters in that category.
And so I think that makes him a prime candidate to take advantage of the new,
steel-friendly environment that we expect to see next year
with the limited number of pickoff throws,
the increased base sizes,
the way stolen bases skyrocketed
in the miners with the same rules.
I think that makes Machado.
I'm not going to put a number on exactly
how many steals he's going to contribute,
but I think he's a,
I think you can more safely say
that he will matter
as opposed to being just a maybe.
The way he collected his steals this past season, Scott,
was so weird too. Seven steals in the first 39 games for Machado. He had just two steals from May
21st on. 111 games. I don't know what the reasoning was for that. If there was any rhyme or
reason for that collection of steals, how he gathered them. But ultimately, I think you're right.
I mean, I'd probably project him for 10 to 15 and he gives you anything more than that. Obviously
you'd be happy with it. The number three third baseman this past season and someone I was
dead wrong about coming into the year.
Austin Riley finished 27th overall in Roto,
3.2 fantasy points per game.
That was fifth best at the position in points leagues.
His ADP was 41 coming into the season.
So again, did give you quite a bit of profit there,
finishing as a top 30 player.
273 batting average, 38 homers, 90 runs, 93 RBI.
Scott, personally, we were on this podcast
worried about the batting average and the Babbitt.
We thought there was a chance that that can come down
for Austin Riley.
it did. It dropped 53 points year over year, but he also lowered his strikeout rate a little bit,
and he continues to hit a bunch of line drive. So I don't know that he's going to ever hit 300 again,
frankly, but I think he's pretty consistently a 270 to 280 hitter with 35 plus homers in a great lineup in baseball.
Yeah, there are a few players that you can ride in for a 300 batting average every year.
and the fact that Riley's Babbitt did drop by 50 points and he still hit 273.
I think he's a pretty good sign.
I don't think there's much neat.
I don't want to overthink this one.
He's had back-to-back years of MVP caliber production, pretty close to it anyway, has Riley.
So I'm ready to pencil him in for more of the same next year.
And I think it's worth pointing out.
that I was the most optimistic of the three who are normally on this podcast about him coming into
20,
Homer.
So,
you know,
I feel better.
I feel good about that.
But I will point out that his production in 2022 was,
he had a huge July.
He hit 423 with 11 home runs.
He didn't hit even 270 in any other month.
So,
you know,
he had a ridiculously hot stretch,
during the middle of the season
after, you know,
kind of a cold start
and an even colder finish.
I'll also point out
that his play discipline is still pretty bad.
And I think that drops him behind guys
like Nolan Aeronado in points leagues.
Actually, let me double check that.
I'm not sure I actually rank him behind Aeronado.
So let me double check that.
He did finish behind Aeronado
in points leagues this past season.
So I wouldn't fall team for doing it.
Yeah, and Aronado is not a guy
who strikes out much so that,
Yeah.
Would make sense.
Yeah, I have Aeronado ahead of him in points leagues.
So those are two small critiques about Austin Riley, why I don't, I'm not ready to say he's, you know, number two, number three at the position.
I'm not ready to elevate him past Mani Machado, for instance, when for a while, particularly during that middle, middle stretch of the season.
Remember, he signed that record deal with the Braves while that was going on.
it looked like maybe he was ready to leapfrog some of those mainstays.
I don't think he's quite there.
And maybe he won't get there in the near future.
But he is really good.
I expect him to go in round two, if for no other reason,
because of the position scarcity concerns.
That is Austin Riley.
And according to early ADP, he has, he's going at 22.6.
He is going just behind Machado Endeavors.
So that seems to be, you know, the consensus as of now.
We'll see as more drafts go on throughout the offseason.
The number four third baseman was Nolan Aronado.
He finished 31st overall, 3.4 fantasy points per game.
That was third best in head-to-head points leagues.
His ADP coming into the season, 55.2.
So another one, quite profitable on Nolan Aronado.
Big bounceback in the batting average department where he hit 293 with 30 homers.
Just 73 runs scored.
Kind of surprising.
I know he doesn't walk all that much, but Cardinals' offense is decent at least.
That just kind of stood off the page for me.
103 RBI for Aeronado and actually chipped in five steals.
Not that I'm expecting that, but it was a career high.
So shout out to you, Nolan Aronado.
His Babbitt went from 249 in 2021 to 290 this past season.
I'm not sure that I buy it though, Scott.
He does make a ton of contacts.
He does not strike out.
He barely strikes out.
11.6% K rate is fantastic.
He hit a few more line drives, but still a lot of fly balls near 50%.
he had a career high infield fly ball rate those are automatic outs and it's not like he hit the
ball that much harder either scott so that huge jump in babb i personally am not buying it i think maybe
he's more of like a 265 270 hitter at this point what do you think yeah i think that's probably
right but i'm much more optimistic about him heading into next year than i was heading into this year
i think that's fair he he's now pretty pretty pretty much more optimistic about him heading into next year i think that's fair he he's
twice over that the power translates outside of Colorado,
back-to-back 30-homer seasons,
and particularly this past year,
a really difficult year for anybody to hit 30-plus homers.
So I think if you can get a reliable 30-homer guy to position this week,
that's still really valuable,
even if the batting average might be a little underwhelming.
For roto leagues, yeah, he's not going to give you much of anything
in stolen bases, we don't think.
even so, I would put Aeronado in the elite class of third baseman, that group of six, that I really like to get one of, even if he is clearly one of the lesser of that group.
And he is the one I was referring to who might slip into round four or potentially even round five.
And if that's the case, I'm all about that.
That seems like great.
I don't think personally, if you're drafting with me, that's going to happen
because he'll be the last of those six to go off the board in all likelihood.
And I'm not going to wait two rounds to see if I can get him
and then feel like I'm screwed at third base.
I'm not going to approach it that way.
So I guess I'm advising nobody else to let him last that long either.
But it is theoretically possible that he could.
Scott, how many drafts?
are you going to do next year
where you take Jose Altuva in the third round
and Nolan Aronado in the fourth?
Well, that's what I'm saying.
Probably none.
Well, who should go first?
That's something...
We did that first mock draft for CBS.
It was 12-team-Roto League.
Like I said,
I actually faced this decision
early in round three.
And I took Aeronado.
At that point,
neither Al-Tuvae or Simeon had gone off the board
or Ozzy Albi's, for that matter.
And I took Aeronado early in round 3, ADP showed that is very likely somebody like Altuve would get back to me late in round four.
Then it happened.
They both ended up going before my next pick, All Bees as well.
And so, you know, I was left with like Cattel Marte as my second baseman in that mock.
But, you know, like I'm saying, like Aronado is the last one.
So if I didn't take him my options on the way back, unless he just happened to miraculously make it back to me.
me late in round four, my options would be nobody.
There were still three choices at second base that I could live with.
So ideally, yes, a lot of drafts I'll take Aeronado in round three, Altuve in round four.
That's ideally what would happen.
I think you said the reverse.
Altuvae and round three, Aeronado, and round four.
I don't think that's going to happen very much because somebody takes Aeronado and you're in a desperate spot at third base, I feel like.
Yeah, no, that's fair.
And you mentioned there, you know, there's not many 30 plus home run hitters,
especially at third base at this point.
As part of your analysis for Nolan Aronado, and off the top of your head, Scott,
I don't expect you to know this, but do you have a guess for how many 30 plus home run
hitters there were this past season?
Did we get to 20 of them?
Yes.
So was it like 23?
It was, 23.
And that was part of, you know, later on when we talk about 8.000.
E. E. E. E. E. Hino Suarez. Just the fact that he hit 31 homers, although the rest of his production was not
really impressive, that's why he ranked as highly as he did. It's just we don't have as many 30 plus
homerunerun hitters as we've had in years past. So it's something that, you know, helps elevate someone
like Nolan Aronado or even A. E. E. E. E. E. E. Heneo Suarez, when we talk about him a little bit
later on. And that, I think, is going to remain the case. I think that's the new. And look,
it's not unprecedented. You go back to just before the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, yous ball era in 20.
16
um
we were we were trending that we had we had some years before than where there were fewer than
23 guys who hit 30 homers in the season in a season so it's
you don't have to go back that far to find that as being the norm in baseball and i
think it's back to being the norm which yes does help elevate somebody like
aranado and in a way i don't think uh i don't think a lot of people are prepared for
because they're just going to see oh yeah 260 hitting 30 homer guy but he doesn't give me any
steals, whatever. That's not an early rounder.
Well, no, it really should be, especially
given
the lack of options at third base.
All right, let's get into the fifth
best third baseman. That was Bobby Witt Jr.
He finished 36th overall.
2.9 fantasy points per game was
eighth at the position. He's not
as good in points leagues as he is
in roto or categories
because he does, doesn't walk very
much. He strikes out a decent amount.
It's not egregious or anything.
But he hit 254, 20 homers,
82 runs, 89 RBI, 30 steals as a rookie in his age 22 season.
Average X velocity, not all that impressive, 65th percentile,
but the max EV tells us maybe there's a little bit more power coming in the tank,
92nd percentile in max EV.
And according to sprint speed, he is the fastest player in baseball.
You know, maybe there's a few guys that are tied for this, 100 percentile.
But Bobby Witt Jr. is part of that 100 percentile in terms of sprint speed.
Scott, I will paint the glass half full picture for Bobby Witt, and then I'll let you analyze him,
because as you have pointed out on Twitter, it's very early in the offseason, there have been 18 NFBC drafts.
Bobby Witts Jr. is 8.1.8.8.1 overall.
Not a third base, eight. He is a first rounder according to those 18 mock drafts.
He sure is. And I will admit that it is very aggressive.
But again, glass half full here, prospect pedigree, what he's already accomplished, a 2030 season at 22 years old,
we have every reason to believe that he should progress, he should get better,
and hopefully the rest of the Royals lineup gets better around him, which ultimately will help with the counting stats.
I don't know that the batting average ever gets that great.
You know, maybe he's 260, 270, something like that, but I legitimately think he can hit 25 homers with 40 plus steel, Scott.
And if he does that, it's probably worth being a first.
round pick, at least in a rhodo or a categories league. So that's my, that's my, my, uh, my pitch, my
glass half full for Bobby Whit. Yeah, I mean, you're asking him to take a big step four, because I mean,
if he just replicates his line from his rookie season, he places behind Nolan Aronado. You're reading
off the order they finished in five by five leagues. Witt was worse than Aronado, who nobody, not even
me, is considering for a first round pick. I mean, you break down that. You, you're breaking down that,
You look, we're talking primarily five by five leagues here,
five by five scoring.
And so you look at the stats that directly impact that format.
He got the 30 steals, that's great.
I'm going to read off the rest of the numbers, though.
254, 20 home runs, 82 runs, 89 RBI.
There's nothing else there that's that impressive other than the steals.
I'm not saying 20 homers are bad, you know, 80 runs,
89 RBI, you know, that's okay.
But you want much better than that from a first round pick.
And in fact, if you compare Bobby Witt's stat line here
to Marcus Simeon's stat line this past year, pretty close.
Like Bobby Witt performed a lot like Marcus Simeon
if we're just talking the five-by-five numbers.
And, you know, second base is weaker than third base.
So my initial rankings, I had Simeon ahead of Witt.
much less wit going in the first round.
I just think first round for wit is crazy.
Anyway, slice it.
If he is going to go that early,
okay, I'll moderate my stance a little bit.
I'll put him ahead of Simeon.
I'll put him ahead of Aeronado,
even, who I originally didn't do that.
Because, yeah, it should be a lot of steals.
And while I do think that category
will be much more plentiful in 2023
than we're used to it being,
it's a lot.
And you'd rather get it with an early,
round pick, then not get it from an early round pick. So I get that. But to take Witt ahead of
Machado, ahead of Austin Riley, ahead of Raphael Devers is just like, it's crazy to me. I could almost
understand if Bobby's Witt's stat cast page was all lit up in red, but you pointed out,
middling average exit velocity, his plate discipline is really just dreadful at this stage of his
career. He reached base at a 293 clip, I believe, a sub-300 clip. And we're talking about taking
this guy in round one. He had like a 720 OPS. And we're talking about taking him in round one.
Like, no, no, you can't do that. You can't do that. It's possible he'll live up to the first
round price tag, but like you don't shoot for the moon in round one when you have assured
studs going in the same range. At his own position, assured
studs that you could draft.
Yeah, I don't like it at all.
I don't.
And, you know, part of it, I think, is the NFBC effect where people are trying to win the
overall.
They're trying to beat out hundreds of teams as opposed to just 10 or 11 in their own league,
you know?
And so in that, like, I still don't think it's the wisest thing to just, like, aim maximum
upside for every pick, because obviously you're never going to hit on every single.
single one of those picks and get the full extent of every player's upside.
Like, that's just not going to happen.
But you can kind of understand it from that context.
If you're trying to beat 100 guys just like, give me as much upside as I can.
And, you know, if it doesn't work out and I finish 400th or whatever, then, you know,
that's not any worse than finishing 40th.
But if you're talking about just winning your own fantasy league, there's no reason to take that kind of risk at that stage of the draft.
So no earlier than round three for me for Witt.
Taking Bobby Witt Jr., eighth overall,
or really anywhere in the first round,
you need him to hit his ceiling outcome.
There is no margin for error.
So just keep that in mind.
And we were talking beforehand, Scott,
I think you laid it out well.
There's always going to be players that have a disparity
between the NFBC, which again,
these are high-stakes drafts,
there's lots of money involved,
and there's people chasing upside.
Let's just call it for what it is,
versus people who play in home leagues,
and that's not to disparage home leagues or anything,
but there's just always going to be a few players
that we see value differently
in those two different types of formats,
two different types of leagues. So I think Bobby Wood Jr.
is one of those where we will see
that disparity quite a bit. But let's see what I
worry about, and this is,
NFBC's kind of a, when did NFBC
start? It's a relatively new thing.
I think it's, it's been around for
at least a decade, but it's gotten a lot more popular
over the past couple of years.
Yeah, so
it has ADP,
data before anything else.
And I worry it has this...
It's almost like a waterfall effect.
It becomes self-fulfilling.
Yeah.
Like, in our first mock draft,
which obviously isn't an overall,
it's just you're competing against 12 teams.
Bobby Witt went in the first round of that as well,
because the people who are really paying
close attention to this stuff
are used to seeing Bobby Witt going round one.
And, you know, if that keeps happening,
then more people get used to seeing
Bobby Witt going in round one.
And sooner or later, eventually it just comes to be that everywhere he's going in round one.
And he will be one of my top bus picks if that does come to be.
All right.
Well, you might be wondering, where is Raphael Devers?
We haven't talked about him yet.
He's finally here.
He finished sixth overall at the position.
40th overall in Roto.
He averaged 3.3 fantasy points per game.
That was fourth best at the position.
His ADP was 14.4, so he did let us down quite a bit this past.
past season. He hit 295, 27 homers, 84 runs, 88 RBI, and three steals. Still hit the ball
extremely hard. Really, if you look at the season breakdown, month by month for Devers,
he was just crushed by an awful August, like just really, really bad. 163 batting average,
515 OPS. He missed the end of July with a hamstring injury. So I guess it's possible when he
returned, maybe he came back a little bit too soon or he was playing through the injury,
whatever it might be.
But Scott, I mean, I'm frankly not worried about Rafael Devers
in that really, really bad month.
I still think he's going to be an awesome player
and he's worthy of a second round pick.
Yeah, I'll take him in the first round.
I'll take him at the end of the first round
just so I don't have to,
so I don't have to reach for somebody like Aeronado.
You know, if you don't get Devers and Machado
at the turn there, then you're either settling
for a second-rate third basement
or you're reaching for Aeronado.
in all likelihood.
So I want to make sure I get him.
And yeah, Devers, Devers does have that stack cast page that's all lit up and red,
like straight A's on his report card, basically.
98th percentile average exit velocity.
You know, even if you're just looking at XBA, X-Sug, 95th percentile,
94th percentile, I have no concerns here.
He's an amazing hitter.
Yeah, kind of a weird second half.
maybe the injury didn't help.
But, I mean, go back and look at what he did in, in 2021,
hitting 38 homers with 113 RBI, 101 run scored.
Like, that's still first round production as far as I'm concerned.
Each of his past two full seasons before this year, Raphael Devers,
he finished 6th and 12th overall, respectively, in Roto.
So, yeah, Tevers still has the upside to be a first round caliber player,
regardless of format, if we're being honest.
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Seventh at the position was Brandon Drury, who was one of the waiver wire ads of the season.
He finished 60th overall, three fantasy points per game.
That was seventh best in head to head points leagues.
Great year.
263 batting average, 28 homers, 87 runs, 87 RBI.
but he was much better with the Reds.
He was much better in Great American Ballpark.
Those numbers took a step back once he joined the Padres.
And Brandon Jewry is a free agent.
So we don't really know where he's going to play.
Early ADP is right around 180,
which tells me, Scott, that other people really don't know
what to do with Brandon Drury either.
What do you think?
Well, yeah, I mean, beyond that,
it says they're not buying in.
And he's eligible at the two weakest positions,
second and third base.
and he may be eligible at first base as well.
Double check that.
Oh, man, it's divided up by team.
Well, definitely, yeah, yeah, first second and third base.
I think he is.
So he has optimal eligibility, does Drury,
and yet he's still going that late.
And I think for good reason,
a guy has a career season,
not just a career season,
but goes from being a nobody, right,
to then being an all-star at age 30.
So to give you that break-down.
of his numbers in Cincinnati versus everywhere else.
In Great American Ballpark, the most Homer-friendly venue and baseball,
he hit 298 with a 915 OPS.
Everywhere else, Brandon Drury hit 240 with a 746 OPS.
So unless he resigns with the Reds,
I'm going to bet against him being an All-Star caliber player again.
And probably in 12-team leagues he will be, you know,
assuming he finds a place to play every day.
and is playing every day.
Even in that scenario, I imagine he'll be kind of a fringy roster type.
I could be wrong, Scott, but I do not think he's going back to Cincinnati
because they already have their brand and jury replacement.
Nick Solak, baby, this year's brand injury.
Let's go.
Mark it, market, write it down.
November 14th, November 15th, whenever you're listening to this.
You heard it here first.
Nick Solek.
Eighth best at the position was Alex Breggman.
He finished 66th overall in Roto 3.2.
fantasy points per game.
That was tied for fifth in points leagues where
Alex Bregman still does
excel in that format. He was
one of six qualified hitters with
more walks and strikeouts this past season.
He hit 259, 23 homers,
93 runs, 93 RBI.
And Scott Bregman has kind of turned into this
Nolan Aeronado light. He
hits a ton of fly balls to the pole side,
lackluster stat cast numbers. He's got strong
plate discipline, but he just doesn't really
stand out anywhere.
The county stats are really good, but outside of that,
not really that enticing.
What do you think?
Yeah, I think he's kind of
a poster child for the
effect that the juice ball era had.
His entire career,
you know, up to the point that the juice ball year
ended, it happened in
the juice ball year. So we didn't know Alex
Bregman outside of that.
And with that
juiced up baseball, the
ease with which fly
balls turned into home runs.
He had the upside of 35 homers.
And now it's more like 25 homers.
He had 22 this year and 155 games.
And he probably, like for most of baseball history,
that's probably the kind of guy he would have been.
He's always had middling eggs of velocity and not the kind that you'd expect from a 35
homer guy hit 41 homers one year even.
We're not going to see that from Alex.
Bregman again.
But superlative
plate discipline, I
mean, in points leagues, you can probably add
him to that group of six is another stud.
In fact, in points leagues, I'm taking him,
I'm straight up taking Bregman over Bobby Witt.
I don't care. He walks
more than he strikes out and that adds so much.
In addition to Steele's not being
as valuable in points leagues,
as in five by five, where they're
at least thought to be very scarce.
So,
yeah, that's the story with Bregman.
I think in 5 by 5 leagues because there are limits on his home runs,
because even though the strikeouts are low,
he puts the ball in the air a lot,
so the batting average,
he's not really a standout for that.
He had 259 this past year could probably hit his high as 280,
but I'd take the under on that.
Bregman is decidedly second tier
and more of a fallback option after that top six is gone.
And you mentioned the lack of steals
and how it doesn't really matter and points leaves as much
Bregman has just two steals since the start of 2020.
So that part of his game has just completely been abandoned.
And obviously we should not expect anything like that from him.
So that's why?
I mean, I don't know.
I guess you never know.
Maybe the whole stolen base landscape is changing.
Let's let's take the angle of chaos here.
And if we don't know what anything, we don't know what anybody's doing with regard to stolen bases anymore,
maybe Bregman can become something of a contributor there.
But yeah, he's not 30 third percentile speed is what he had.
And yeah, it's not the most likely outcome.
Number nine and ten at the position I'm going to put together here
because frankly, they are quite similar players.
A. E. E. E. E. Hennio Suarez bounced back in a big way.
He hit 236 with 31 home runs and 87 RBI in his first season with the Mariners.
Just very odd that a negative park shift from Cincinnati to Seattle
resulted in the bounce back we were looking for for a Eugenio Suarez.
I get Park check negative league environment yeah everything and everything
working against them but this is the year Suarez bounces back yeah yeah he
sure did I still struck out quite a bit 31% but he did see that big uptick and
bad bit that we've been looking for the past couple of seasons not sure how
sustainable it is but alas that is a Eugenio Suarez and then Matt
Chapman is the other one where he hit 229 with 27 homers 83
run 76 RBI, his first season with the Toronto Blue Jays.
Still hits the ball really hard, and very often he does that.
92.2 mile per hour average exit velocity was in the 93rd percentile, Scott.
And I know there was a point there where it looked like it was happening from June to July,
two-month stretch where Matt Chapman was elite.
He was one of the best hitters overall in fantasy during that time.
And then from August on, just completely collapsed once again.
not really sure what to make of it,
but Suarez and Chapman
seem like similar to skill set at this point.
Lower batting average,
but decent power.
Yes, and it was discouraging
because not only did he not finish his strong,
Chapman I'm talking about,
as we would have liked,
but that was even though he did have that big bounce back
in terms of exit velocity.
He had always been a standout there with Oakland,
had the hip surgery,
was it after the 2020 season or was it before the 2020 season?
Somewhere around there he had a hip torn laborman as hip repaired
and the exit velocity in 2021 cratered.
So we were hoping a bounce back season
with another year of recovery with that move from Oakland to Toronto.
And it did show up in the exit velocity
and it just didn't to the same extent in the numbers.
And one potential factor is that,
I think Toronto is becoming a net negative for hitters with the introduction of the humidor.
It was, remember, this was pointed out to us, not so much the humidor angle, but in 2021, Vladimir Guerrero,
remember Toronto had that season split between three venues because of COVID.
And when they were back in their true home environment, we saw Vladimir Guerrero's numbers
take a step back.
Well, they got a full year there,
and I think from a lot of their hitters,
the production was pretty disappointed, Guerrero included.
It used to be known as the hitters paradise,
but that was before the Humidor.
Well, even, yeah, the reason I bring up 2021
in the close of 2021 is they were one of the few teams
who had the Humidor that year too.
Every team got it installed in 2022,
but Toronto did before then.
and we saw the impact it had.
So I don't know that Chapman is going to benefit from playing in Toronto.
I mean, he's done it a year now,
and we obviously saw it didn't have that much of an impact,
but I don't think that that was a fluky occurrence necessarily.
So I do rank Suarez ahead of Chapman for next year as well.
They are very similar in terms of projected output.
I think Chapman might still have the higher ceiling.
You know, you were skeptical of how sustainable, even a 236 batting averages for Suarez.
And I don't think he has the upside for much more than that.
So I guess I would have to agree.
Like, he probably can't be much better than he was in 2022.
But I don't know the Chapman's getting that much better either.
To your point, Scott, about Toronto and the Rogers Center.
I'm looking at their park factors, according to statcasts from this past season.
and they were tied for 13th in just overall offensive park factors.
They were tied with the Braves, with actually P&C Park with the Pirates,
Wrigley Field with the Cubs.
So those four teams, 13 through 16, they were all tied with a 100 park factor,
which is league average.
Yeah, that's average.
It's not bad.
Maybe I shouldn't have said Ned negative, but it's...
But it is worse than where it's...
It's not a hitter's paradise anymore.
Like it's been known as throughout its history.
I think the way to phrase it is, it's a net negative compared to where it was in years past,
where it was a much better hitter's environment.
So that is Toronto and something that could affect, potentially affect Matt Chapman again this upcoming season.
All right.
So those were the top 10 at third base and we'll get into the rankings in just a little bit.
I do have some news and notes that I want to quickly run through here, Scott.
We actually did have a signing.
It doesn't really affect things all that much outside of the fact that we know Clayton
Kershaw is going to be back. At least for one more year, he agreed to a one year $20 million deal
with the Dodgers, and he was amazing as always. 2.28 ERA, 0.94 whip over a strikeout per inning.
He's still getting a bunch of ground balls and whiffs and he's limiting walks. The only issue
is workload. He has not exceeded 126 in a third innings since 2019. And I think that's probably
something that we should just expect at this point for Kershaw. Yeah, I would agree. He's, he's
difficult to rank because you know he's going to be good,
but over how many innings?
Yeah, and I know you ranked your pitchers.
I think you had them inside your top 30,
if I'm remembering correctly.
Does that sound right, Clayton Kirschaw?
If not top 30, then close to it.
Yeah, sorry, I should have those pulled up
to make this a little easier.
I got it.
I have it in 28th.
Okay.
Unless you change this, you could correct me.
No, I have 28th.
All right, cool.
three. Speaking of the Dodgers, they declined Justin Turner's $16 million option, which, you know,
could potentially mean big things for Miguel Vargas. Well, I don't know that they'll start the season
with him as their starting third baseman, but for now, it seems like it could be good news for
Miguel Vargas. Raphael Montero is headed back to the Astros on a three-year, $34.5 million deal.
Unfortunately, that means he will not be closing this upcoming season unless something happens to
Ryan Presley, if he gets hurt or just falters for whatever reason.
But that is Rafael Montero.
Back with the Astros.
Martine Perez is likely to accept the one year, $19.65 million qualifying offer with the Texas Rangers.
Blake Trinnan under...
Go ahead, Scott?
I'm kind of surprised by that.
I wonder...
How much faith does he have in himself, if that's the case?
I mean, if you were Martin Perez, Scott, what would you do?
Because I think I...
I imagine he thinks he's great.
Yeah, I mean...
Apparently not.
I mean, he's only 30,
it'll be 32 at...
around the start of next year.
So this is like,
this may be his last chance to score a
multi-year deal.
That's true.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know what the market's going to be like.
Obviously,
pitching is more plentiful than it's been in recent years
because of the new environment
with the no longer juice ball.
But, you know,
the kind of year he had would
normally score pitcher a big payday.
So I'm a little surprised.
I will be shocked if Jack Peterson doesn't accept his qualifying offer.
That was the one that stunned me, the fact that he was offered it.
Blake Trinan underwent a right shoulder, Labrum, and Rotator Cuff surgery.
It's likely that he will miss the entire 2020-3 season.
The Cubs have released a veteran outfielder Jason Hayward, and this one was kind of weird.
Astro's GM James Click will not return for the 2023 season after what?
the World Series.
I don't know, Scott.
Doesn't this seem weird?
Yeah.
I think it's the first time it's happened since the 40s.
World Series winning GM didn't return.
So, surprising.
And there seemed to be some disagreement with ownership there
about how things were run.
And, you know, that's after,
that's after obviously the previous regime.
there were a lot of questions raised about how things were run.
So it seems from the outside looking in,
James Click brought a lot of stability,
took him to the World Series,
two straight years, won it the second time.
But again, what do I know?
I just realized, Scott,
you haven't been on the podcast since the Astros won the World Series.
Is there anything you'd like to say?
Good for Dusty.
Good for all of them.
Good job, guys.
Way to go.
You got a good season.
You capped it off with a champ, Ian Chip.
I think we can all agree with at least the first sentiment there.
Congrats to Dusty Baker.
Everyone else, I'm not so sure.
Rookie of the Year awards were announced.
No surprise, Julio Rodriguez won it in the American League.
And since he started the season on the opening day roster,
the Mariners will receive draft pick compensation just after the first round in 2023.
So it's really cool to see that this.
Rule is already going into effect the first year where it was a thing.
So good for you, Mariners.
I'm happy you got it done.
And I think other teams will be pretty aggressive with calling up prospects on opening day.
Next year, we know that Corby and Carroll will be, you know, part of that.
Gunner Henderson.
Yeah, Gunner Henderson will be part of it who will talk about it.
We need to talk about here soon.
And just a little bit, yeah.
I think it's all the reason why Matt Mervis should start the season on the,
on the Cubs roster.
And, you know, any team that has.
has a prospect that that's close,
why wouldn't you do it, right?
Just to have that opportunity
to chase that draft pin compensation.
And then in the National League,
Michael Harris beat out his teammate, Spencer Strider.
Harris actually,
I thought it would have been
a little bit closer than this.
Harris received 22 of 30 first place vote, Scott.
Is that surprising?
Yeah, I thought it would be closer to.
In fact, I started, I saw some very smart people
saying Spencer Strider instead,
which was fun to see because, you know, I like, I mean, I think war is important for these kinds of discussions,
but I think sometimes it becomes just a war leaderboard, basically, who should win these awards.
And, you know, I don't feel great about that completely.
Harris had a 5.3 war this year.
It's so rare for a rookie to have a war that high, you know.
And Strider did some historic things, too.
But he, his war wasn't close to 5.3.
So I can understand why Harris won.
All right.
The rumor mill is heating up just a tad bit.
According to Ken Rosenthal, the Astros have identified Anthony Rizzo as their number one free agent target at first base, which is not great for my Yankees.
Not great, Bob.
And for Sean Murphy, John Morosi reports that the rays are among several teams interested in trading for Sean Murphy,
who, when we did our catcher preview,
recap slash preview,
I mentioned, I think Sean Murphy is going to be traded.
I mean, they obviously have Shay Langaleers,
they have forgetting his name right now,
but they have another prospect who's coming soon,
and frankly, they just don't really need Sean Murphy all that much.
So the Cardinals, the Guardians, have also been linked to Sean Murphy.
Yeah, I can see it happening.
I think Murphy's going to be traded as well.
I do want to mention Julio Rodriguez had 6.2 war.
higher than Harris's.
So he had,
but there wasn't nearly as much doubt
about who was going to win
the rookie of the year and the AAL.
And Julio Rodriguez was there
from the beginning while Harris
got called up,
what,
a quarter of the way into the season,
something like that.
Yeah.
And he got called up from AA,
which was obviously really,
really surprising at the time.
Let's jump into your early
2023 third base rankings
and we'll start up top.
There's no surprises early on.
Top five here,
Jose Ramirez,
Raphael Devers,
Mani Machado,
Austin Riley.
and Nolan Aronado.
I guess there's no surprises,
unless you play in the NFBC, of course,
because then we get to Bobby Witt, finally,
as your sixth ranked third baseman,
followed by Alex Bregman,
Gunner Henderson, Max Muncie,
and Anthony Rendon.
So two names there that we have not talked about yet today.
Max Muncie we spoke about on the second base preview.
Gunner Henderson, one of the top prospects in the game.
He plays for the Orioles.
He's 21 years old,
and he did not play much,
but he hit 259,
four homers, one steel, the final month of the season.
Hit the ball really hard, Scott.
He's really fast, 91st percentile on sprint speed.
And he had a really impressive minor league season as well,
where he was a near 2020 bat.
The only thing that stands out to me,
he's got to lower the ground ball rate.
Near 60 percent, that is just not going to work
for any type of power production.
But the tools are there,
and he's going to start the season on the Orioles roster.
I think there's a lot to be excited about
with Gunner Henderson.
Yeah, I really don't know how it's going to play out the first 34 games he got in the majors.
I was pretty encouraged by it.
The strikeout rate wasn't out of control.
They weren't hesitant to play him against left-handed pitchers.
He only stole one base in those 34 games, but as fast as he is and what he did in the minors, I expect,
he's going to run a lot more, especially with the new rules that are taking effect.
So it's kind of a mystery box, but it's a mystery box with some encouraging first.
indicators. I suspect he'll be the consensus number one overall prospect entering next year
because he basically was prior to his promotion. He didn't use up his rookie eligibility yet.
And there's no reason to move him down based on how he performed. So the fact you can get that
at a position that's weak at the third base, as weak as third base, and the fact that you can get
him as late as eighth effort at third base, it makes them a pretty nice fallback option if you
do miss out on those studs.
but you don't really know what you're getting.
And if he falls flat on his face,
there's not much for you to fall back on at the position.
Yeah, I guess the ceiling is high,
but the floor is also pretty low.
We just don't know when it comes to Gunner Henderson.
There's a lot of projection,
and that's fair because he was the top prospect,
but frankly, we still don't know for sure.
I do want to mention real quick a couple things here.
Gunner Henderson is going to begin next year
was third base only.
It's a good chance he picks up shortstop at some point during the year and maybe even second
base at some point.
Also, you mentioned I have Bobby Witt six behind Aeronado.
Again, based on the early enthusiasm for Witt and the fact that I'm probably not going
to draft him either way, somebody's going to get to him before I do.
I went ahead and did move Witt up ahead of Aeronado.
So he's now fifth for me at third base, at least in five-by-five scoring.
He's lower in points leagues.
All right, fair enough.
Anthony Rendon was 10th in the rankings here.
He hit 229 with five homers in just 47 games.
And that is the issue.
The fact that Anthony Rendon has not played more than 58 games
in a season since 2019.
You know, what's actually funny is that the 58 games
came in the short and 60 game season in 2020.
And that's the most that he's played over the past three years.
So basically since joining the Angels,
he just cannot stay healthy.
Scott, the plate discipline still looks really.
really good for Anthony Rendon.
I'm not sure how much power he will generate anymore in this environment.
I really don't know what to expect, frankly.
I don't know how much he could play,
and I don't know what kind of player he is anymore.
That is Anthony Rendon.
Yeah, I feel like Rendon and Bregman were in a similar spot entering 2022
with, okay, how is there a power going to play in this new environment?
They've had some injury issues in recent year.
Bregman put together a full season.
wasn't, you know, it was a pretty productive player in fantasy still.
Rendon continued to get hurt.
He's older than Bregman.
He's 32 now.
So that may be a trend that continues.
And if you just combine the numbers from the last two years when these,
when the juice ball started to be phased out, you know, not as much in 2021,
but it started in 2021 and then, you know, even more so in 2022.
and 105 games Rendonas hit 235 with a 709 OPS.
So a long time of not getting much production from him.
Now, the stretch he was healthy in 2022
was the stretch where hitting was at its worst across the league.
It was cold.
Everybody was struggling for the most part.
So if he had gotten a full summer,
hypothetically, could Rendon have bounced back
and put up numbers closer to his prime?
I guess it's possible,
but that's kind of reaching,
you know, to find an optimistic spin here.
And I just don't think you can count on Rendon
for much of anything.
I'm still ranking 10th at the position
because, like, after Max Muncie at 9,
there's not a lot to get excited about,
and Rendon at least has that,
that history of being a stud performer
and maybe the health issues
of the past couple years
were dragging down his production.
I mean, he did have that amazing home run
batting left-handed off a position.
Remember that? That was like my favorite moment of the season.
Yeah, that was awesome.
His one at bat from the left side of the plate,
he decided to do that with a position player pitching
and hit a home run.
And then he got hurt soon after that,
so it was quickly forgotten.
But that was, you know, that showed some skill,
I would say.
That was awesome.
And his play discipline is still amazing.
So, you know, I do see the potential for Rendon to have a bounce back season and we're willing to, if I just got left out of third base, like, I'd rather gamble on that than settle for assured mediocrity.
But it's it's not something you should make a heavy investment in it all.
All right.
11 through 15 in the rankings for next year, A.
Johanio Suarez, Matt Chapman, Brendan Drury, John Bertie, who we spoke about on the second base.
podcast and Matt, not Matt, Jose Miranda, yeah, his name is not Matt.
This seems like a decent fallback option as well here, Scott, because he didn't disappoint as a
rookie this past season. In fact, I think he was solid. He hit 268, 15 home runs in 125 games.
Jose Miranda does not walk very much, but he does make a lot of contact. He had a sub-20%
strikeout rate. Doesn't hit the ball all that hard, but again, makes contact, likely projects
to hit in the middle of the twins lineup,
which, you know, if Buxon could ever stay healthy,
maybe it could be a decent lineup.
I don't know that the upside is massive, Scott,
but I feel like Miranda is also a decent fallback option.
What do you think?
Yeah, this looks like a player.
I'd like a whole lot more if it was still the juice ball era,
but I just don't think the impact potential is high enough
in the current offensive environment.
he'll probably be okay
he does put the ball in the air a decent amount
which helps maximize
or he pulls it in the air more specifically
which helps to maximize what power potential he has
but that that also works against his batting average
so you know it's it's
I don't really feel like there's a lot more upside to tap into
just looking at the the
profile for Jose Miranda.
He seems kind of Thai France-like for me, which maybe that'll sound exciting to some people.
I'm kind of bearish on Thai-France at this point.
But Miranda does have the superior eligibility third base.
You know, is obviously a lot more valuable than first base.
He also does have first base for what it's worth.
But France is only first base.
So, you know, between the two, I'm taking Miranda.
But, yeah, I think nothing more than a fallback option.
16 through 20 in the rankings.
We've got Josh Young of the Rangers,
Brett Beatty of the Mets,
T.J. LaMayhew, Justin Turner,
who is now a free agent.
So we'll see where he plays.
If he plays,
perhaps he decides to retire.
And then Eduardo Escobar rounds out the top 20.
It's got two names I want to highlight here.
Two youngsters.
Josh Young, who hit 204 with five home runs
and two steals in his 26 games with the Rangers.
38% strikeout.
rate for Josh Young, which I don't know if he was just selling out trying to hit for power
in this small sample or whatever it was, but really did not strike out that much at any point in
the minors. That is Josh Young. And then Brett Beatty is the other one where he only played 11 games
with the Mets, but he hit 184 with two home runs and a 19% strikeout rate. He is 23 years old,
but he's only played six games above AA. Between these two, I think it's much more likely
that Josh Young starts the season on the Rangers roster.
I don't know that I could say that for certain with Brett Beatty.
Yeah, and because Beatty is also coming off surgery,
that's what ended his time with the Mets.
And so I've actually decided to drop him a couple spots behind LaMahue and Turner,
at least until we have a better idea what role.
He's going to fill Eduardo Escobar bounced back so well in September for the Mets.
In that month, he hit 321.
one with eight home runs
and is still under contract.
So I presume he'll enter next year
at Escobar Will is the favorite
for third base and Beatty will probably have to
spend some more time in the minors.
Young, I think he pretty much has
the third base job locked up,
but not because of performance.
This is kind of the difference between
how I rank Gunner Henderson
and how I rank Josh Young.
I mean, we saw so little of both of them
that they're both basically mystery boxes.
But,
Gunner Henderson looked pretty good
in that little bit amount of time
and Young looked pretty terrible
so that adds up to
eight spots difference
in my third base
or nine spots difference
in my third base rankings
eight now eight
anyway
yeah I mean
the strikeout rate
is a head scratcher
because even before he developed power
in the minors he was good at putting
the bat on the ball so I did not expect
to see that from Josh Young.
It seems like in particular sliders gave him trouble.
I imagine that's usually the case for somebody who strikes out a lot, right?
And I just wonder if it could be a situation like Jared Kelnick where,
and didn't really have strikeout issues in the minors too,
but then he came up and he kind of hit a slider.
And his future is very much in doubt because of it.
I don't think we've seen nearly enough from Young to conclude that.
but it's why I'm,
I wouldn't want to be counting on him for much.
Just, you know,
a late round pick for some upside, sure.
Yeah.
But I'm not, I'm not optimistic about what Young's going to give you in 2023.
Again, an early breakdown of the position is try to get one of the top eight.
Scott says top nine, if you want to put Max Muncie in that mix for me, it's top eight.
Frankly, you know, I'd feel more comfortable with like,
Gregman or Gunner Henderson than Max Muncie.
And really, I'd say top six through Witt and Aeronado
and just those next three, Bregman, Henderson, Muncie.
That's more the fallback.
Beyond that, you've messed up if you don't get one of those top nine.
If I miss out on really everything, Jose Miranda,
this would probably mean the rest of my team looks really, really good.
I don't have much of an issue with it,
especially where he's going.
I'm sure it's not going to be,
I don't know what the ADP is early on,
but yeah, he's not even listed here.
Anyway, Jose Marin is probably the early fallback option.
162.
Okay.
That's actually a little bit higher than I thought.
Anyway, just wrap up here.
A few changes in Head Ted Points Leagues.
Breggman goes ahead of Bobby Witt.
Max Muncie goes ahead of Gunner Henderson.
Yandy DS jumps inside of the top 20.
And if you want to check out those rankings,
you can find them on the site.
Scott has all different articles written out
for each of the early position rankings for 2023.
Coming up on Wednesday night and Thursday morning,
we'll have third-based prospects
and we'll talk about the position from a dynasty perspective as well.
So if you do have a question,
you can send it in Fantasy Baseball at CBSI.com.
But we're going to wrap there.
For Scott, I am Frank.
Thank you all for listening and watching Fantasy Baseball today.
We'll be back again on Thursday.
Bye-bye.
