Fantasy Baseball Today - Trendy Players, Most Added/Dropped, and a FAAB Debate! (07/21 Fantasy Baseball Podcast)

Episode Date: July 21, 2020

First and foremost, HAPPY CORBIN BURNES DAY! We give you everything you ever needed to know about Burnes, then we have a Fantasy philosophy question regarding position eligibility this season (6:40). ...... Onto news and notes, Gavin Lux was optioned to their alternate training site (7:54). Are we interested in Chris Taylor or Enrique Hernandez? Also, what's the latest with the Cardinals bullpen? Will Kwang-Hyun Kim really close for them? ... We have a FAAB debate for the shortened season (13:00)! How aggressive should you be early on? ... How likely is it that Ryan Pressly will see save chances for the Astros to start the season (17:35)? ... On the most added list, why aren't Ross Stripling and Rich HIll owned in more leagues (24:21)? Is Zach Britton must-own if you have Aroldis Chapman. Adam tells you why you should own Aaron Hicks. ... Jose Quintana and Jose Urquidy lead the most dropped list (35:37). Should we be dropping Giovanny Gallegos? ... Aaron Judge and Lance McCullers are trending up (42:20). Also, look out for Griffin Canning and Vince Velasquez if they're available in your leagues. ... For players trending down, where should we be drafting Mike Trout, Walker Buehler, and Yordan Alvarez (53:26)? ... Email us at fantasybaseball@cbsi.com. Subscribe to our new YouTube channel: youtube.com/FantasyBaseballToday 'Fantasy Baseball Today' is available on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Google Podcasts, Castbox and wherever else you listen to podcasts.  Follow our FBT team on Twitter: @CBSFantasyBB, @AdamAizer, @CTowersCBS, @CBSScottWhite, @Roto_Frank Join our Facebook group at https://www.facebook.com/groups/fantasybaseballtoday For more fantasy baseball coverage from CBS Sports, visit https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/ To hear more from the CBS Sports Podcast Network, visit https://www.cbssports.com/podcasts/ Download our printable Draft Kit from CBSSports.com/draftkit! To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Welcome to the Fantasy Baseball Today podcast from CBS Sports. I drive, center field, this is magnificent. Got a fantasy question? Email Fantasy Baseball at CBSI.com. Get ready to win your league. Well, fantasy becomes reality. Now here's Frank Scott, Chris, and Adam.
Starting point is 00:00:24 Well, hey there. Welcome to Fantasy Baseball today on a Tuesday. We are two days out from opening day, July 21st. Frank Stanfield. here with Scott White, Chris Towers, and Adam Azer. Look, today, it doesn't matter what today is. It doesn't matter that we're two days out from opening day. Today will forever be known as Corbin Burns Day.
Starting point is 00:00:43 Say it with me, Chris. Corbin Burns starting the second game of the season for the Milwaukee Brewers. Hype sauce, let's go. I'm very, very excited for Kerbun-Borns, I was going to say. He's got Wicked Spruy. stuff, huge swing and miss potential. Yes, he had an ERA just south of nine last season, which is really bad. But he was the Brewers minor league pitcher of the year in, I believe, 2018. He came up and pitched really well in a short role in that season. He has a slider
Starting point is 00:01:20 that he can throw into the mid-90s. I said the mid-90s with the slider. And he put work in this offseason to create more lateral movement on his fastball because he is one. He is one. of these guys who throws really hard, has a high spin rate, but has a really inefficient fastball. It spins in a way that doesn't create a lot of rise or a lot of sink or a lot of run. And you want one of those things, ideally, if you're throwing a fastball. You don't want it to just be straight because Major League Baseball hiters can hit straight 97-mile-per-hour fastballs. He put work in this off-season to tweak the fastball to generate less. of a straightforward path.
Starting point is 00:02:03 Tweet to slider as well to throw it a little harder. Sky's the limit for Corbyn. Yeah, his slider last year, I averaged like 88 miles now. I want you to get hyped though, Chris. This is big exciting news. Oh, yeah. The sky's the limit.
Starting point is 00:02:18 It feels like Desha Louvreu, guys. The sky is the limit for Corbyn Burns. He has, here is Corbyn Burns limit. Here is the sky. It is the same. It is the same. I'm putting him in that same group.
Starting point is 00:02:31 with like the Mitch Keller and probably a little behind Matthew Boyd, who I have more confidence in. But Josh James, those, those, you know, yeah, especially because Corbyn Burns is a spark. I'm really sad I could not get him in the draft that we did last night, but very high- Because I did. Because I did.
Starting point is 00:02:53 Yeah, I mean, I feel like this is a replay of last, I would think that I was listening to a 2019 episode right now if Frank were not, because this was all the hype going into last year. He made four starts to begin the season, and by the end of that he had a 1070 ERA. So he's been a great reliever. He was a terrible starter.
Starting point is 00:03:13 Let's pop the brakes on the hype sauce. But I think the year he was the minor league pitcher the year was actually 2017. He had a 167 ERA in the minors that year, and he had a 202 ERA the year before that. So he's a guy who just breathed through the miners. and like if you look at his the peripherals last year, other than him giving up a crap load of home runs, they look really good.
Starting point is 00:03:37 He was a reliever all year. He made four starts. I'm trying to remember, listen. Adam, were you also crapping on Mitch Keller recently? Yeah, yeah. But no, I'm just saying. I'll just do the same bit I did last time. There is just absolutely no way
Starting point is 00:03:53 that a young pitcher who throws nearly 60 innings with an ERA close to nine could ever turn into a multi-time all-star? Wait, what? No, I'm just saying that... Jose Rios had an 802... I know, I get it. It's a good point you made about Burrios.
Starting point is 00:04:13 I get it. I get it's a great point you made. Severino, too. We're doing the same thing that we did last year with Corbyn-Buris. There's only 18% on, by the way. You should definitely take a shot. Well, that's all we're saying. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:24 You get excited about the town. You're getting too excited. That's all the same. No, no. All right. Nobody's saying he's automatically won your championship if you got Corbyn Burns. But like the talent has an opportunity. And when the talent has an opportunity,
Starting point is 00:04:40 you have to get excited about that because that's your lottery ticket, man. And do you think he sticks in the rotation? Yes, I think so. If he performs. Obviously, if you perform. The rotation is not a great one. So I don't think he has to do much in order to stay in the rotation. And thank you, Adam, for stealing my host,
Starting point is 00:04:59 because one of the questions I was going to ask was, can you guess his ownership percentage? Well, it's 18%. So go out and add Corbyn Burns, if you can right now. Again, look, some of the underlying numbers, he had a 4-14 BABIP last year, a 57% strand rate. League average for those is 296 and 72%.
Starting point is 00:05:16 So stop me if you've heard this before. It's very similar to Mitch Keller, who we talk about all the time. I do want to note, it wasn't just bad luck. You know, he got hit really, really hard. Like that, it was not just, just like, oh, he had a 400 bat. Like, no, he,
Starting point is 00:05:32 Corbyn's got hit really hard, but so did Luis Severino when he first made his debut. So did Jose Brut. Like, these, this stuff happens and guys get better. And with Corbyn, specifically the talent level, like he has some of the best stuff in baseball.
Starting point is 00:05:46 That ACE's metric that we ran last year and this year, Aaron Susseta put together. Corbyn Burtainz was the number one pitcher by this metric. He had the best stuff in baseball. And so when you get the opportunity to get a guy in the mid-round's who has that going for him, like take the gamble. Because it wouldn't surprise me if he was a top 20 pitcher this year. Chris, you mentioned where you think he should be drafted now. And I moved him up to what would be SP 51.
Starting point is 00:06:15 So right behind Mitch Keller, right in that same range. All in on Corbyn. Today on the show, we are going to talk about trendy players, players who are trending up and down. We have most added and most dropped. We had some waivers run recently. And over the weekend, so we'll see what's happening there. And we're going to play some of your song submissions that you sent in to be in our listener league because you guys put in a lot of hard work and a lot of them were amazing.
Starting point is 00:06:39 I do have one quick question, a fantasy philosophy question regarding Corbyn Burns. So in my home league, we don't allow sparse. However, players like Carlos Martinez, Jesus Lozardo, and Corbyn Burns only have relief pitcher eligibility. So how many starts should it take for a player this season to earn starting pitcher eligibility? Should it be one start? Should it be two starts? Normally it should have starting out that you should be allowed to use them as starter from day one. If you're not allowed to use them as a spark, you should be allowed, then the commissioner should grant them starting eligibility. That's, that's inherently unfair. Right. To have a player, you can't.
Starting point is 00:07:19 Like literally cannot play anywhere. Yeah. And if you're good, if you're, if, If you're going to set it up like that, that relief pitcher eligibility is just ignored for a pitcher, then the pitcher should be allowed to be used in whatever role he's actually filling at the time. You know, if you're talking about a position eligibility thing in leagues where you can use him as a spar. I would, the standard is usually five. I would make it two or three this year. Well, thanks, guys. I'm going to send that to my commissioner because I did draft Corbyn Burns with my last round pick last night.
Starting point is 00:07:52 I'm pretty excited about that. We have some news and notes, some big news to go over. First and foremost, this came out just earlier today. The Dodgers have optioned second baseman Gavin Lux to their alternate training site, which is pretty big news, obviously. A lot of people have him as the frontrunner, potentially, for the National League rookie of the year.
Starting point is 00:08:11 And there is a lot to be excited about long term, but he will not start the season with the Dodgers. Scott, what is your biggest takeaway from this? Do you have any interest in someone like Chris Taylor or Kike Her, And is? Not in standard size leagues, I think, you know, there's some talent there, I think, especially with Taylor.
Starting point is 00:08:30 But they have a lot of guys, they have to leapfrog in my second base rankings before I'm looking at them. Gavin Lux, you know, somebody asked me on Twitter if this was a service time thing. And maybe that comes into play, but it seems like they're genuinely were sour on the way he performed at camp. he had some misplays at second base. He arrived out of shape. I think he has to go down and work hard
Starting point is 00:08:58 and earn his way back. Adam and Chris, any interest in Chris? Chris Taylor or Kiki Hernandez? No. No. Only in, especially since they might platoon. Only in leagues where, like, you have to own anyone who's relevant,
Starting point is 00:09:15 in which case, Taylor. Yeah, and your 15-team leagues and your 12-team leagues with deep benches, maybe, but yeah, for, like, it'll be Gavin Lux eventually. Last night we saw a report from Ann Rogers, who covers the Cardinals for MLB.com. She tweeted that Carlos Martinez is in the Cardinals rotation, and that Quanghun Kim, whom they signed from Korea in the offseason, is likely to close for the team. So this was really random, came out of nowhere.
Starting point is 00:09:44 We thought it was going to be Ryan Helsley. There were reports that Giovanni Gallegos was back in camp, or, or, you know, getting back to returning to camp. And then we get this report about Kian Hun Kim. Scott, we play in a league together, and last night he went for $23 in Fab out of a $100. Oh, foe. You know what?
Starting point is 00:10:04 I could do you one better. Oh, what do you got? I believe Chris spent $50 on Kim last night. Is that right? 50. Yeah, that sounds about right. Well, he's got to chime in first then, I think. Wow.
Starting point is 00:10:15 Chris, all right. You're pretty excited about Kim. Yeah, look, he's, he was a, Really productive pitcher. But I believe, yeah, Korean. He was pitching in the Korean League. Has good control, but also has good stuff. He's not necessarily just a soft tosser.
Starting point is 00:10:33 And he was someone who I remember being mentioned as a possibility for the closer role back in spring. He's a left-handed pitcher. Main best pitch is his slider. Can vary the velocity on it so you can throw it harder. has a curveball. Look, it's mostly just that this is a good team. There should be plenty of save opportunities. The guy who gets to be the Cardinals closer generally puts up lots of saves.
Starting point is 00:11:04 We saw that with Carlos Martinez last season, even in a partial season, ended up with what, 23, 24 saves. So yeah, it's just, it seems like a good opportunity to get a potential long-term closer. Like this is, if he sticks in the role, he could be the close role. It might be a situation where Giovanni Gallegos comes in and takes it, but generally speaking, teams are a little hesitant to pull pitchers who are succeeding in a role in the ninth inning out of it, unless it's for a guy who's proven and Giovanni Gallegos isn't that guy.
Starting point is 00:11:41 And they don't have that guy. Yeah, Kim is obviously unproved. He's untested in this role in Korea, too. He was a starting pitcher over there and doesn't really have any experience doing this. So it's, and Nando Defino actually dug up the quote from, from Mike Schild that, you know, the way he worded it, he kind of left it open the idea that they could also use others in the ninth inning.
Starting point is 00:12:10 Gallegos just reported within the last couple days. So he's not, it's understandable, he's not ready to close yet. I don't know how quickly they would transition to him. Look, I made some big bids on Kim myself because I have a couple road to teams where I basically didn't invest much of anything in saves and anytime somebody emerges a new source there, I'm going to have to put in a big bid for him. I put in a big bid for Ryan Helsley,
Starting point is 00:12:35 the first run of waivers over the weekend. Thankfully, I didn't win either of those. I didn't win Kim either because people like Chris bidding $50. But I, you know, I'm not going to move him up into my top. 20 closers even. He's going to be, you know, probably around the range of like an Archie Bradley, Sean Doolittle, Mark Malance in that group. And that's fair. I would just point out one general philosophical thing about FAB this year, it's a shorter season. You're not going to need to hold on to your FAB for as long. So I think aggressive early season bids should be the norm.
Starting point is 00:13:13 And you should, if it's a need, you know, I had Jose LeClerc and Bradson. hand on that team. I don't necessarily love the potential for them to rack up a ton of saves. And so he's basically the last guy out there, Kim was. So that was why I had to be aggressive for it. Yeah. Frank, I think I've seen, I don't want to just use my one
Starting point is 00:13:37 Fab League and some stuff I saw on Twitter to make generalizations about everybody. I feel like people are going a little bit too heavy with Fab already. because I just think that, you know, throughout this season, throughout the two months of the season, yeah, I get the idea you want to be a little bit more aggressive now. But, you know, those guys that go for $1 or $2 typically in a 162 game season, they might go for five or six.
Starting point is 00:14:02 So you're going to need that fab at some point, I think. And, you know, you might have, I think in terms of Fab, in terms of Roto, if you're in a Roto Fab League, I know that a lot of people, a lot of the managers are just going to drop out at some point. They're just going to stop caring. I don't think, I don't know if that's going to happen this year. Yeah. I think you got a, I had the same thought too.
Starting point is 00:14:20 Yeah, you know, you can't just rely on dollar bids at the end of the year. Like I always do in that Rotel league that I'm talking about. You know, 50 was a lot. I'm not going to criticize. I understand that this might be your best chance to get a closer and to really move up in the saves categories. But I just think in general, like a Yueness Espittist got bid on. You know, I put in modest bids for them $8, $10. I didn't get anybody, which is a little frustrating.
Starting point is 00:14:45 But sometimes you have to take a step. step back, you have to take a deep breath and realize there will be other players and, you know, you don't want to go too crazy right now. And I just want to throw cold water all over this Kim situation because for me, look, this guy, I don't even think he was that great in Korea. I mean, a 327 ERA in Korea, that's fine, but a 133 whip below 8Ks per 9. He's a lefty on top of that. 276 starts, just 22 relief appearances, no save opportunities in his career in Korea as well. it would not surprise me if Gallegos works his way in here, if Helsley works his way. I would rather, I would put Kim closer to the Orioles, the Mariners,
Starting point is 00:15:27 Wade Davis. I would put him like all the way towards the back end of relievers, in my opinion. I would just point out one thing that Kim did have Tommy John surgery in 2017 and changed his mechanics, started throwing from a lower arm slot. And his results have been much better since he came back from that. The whip is, you know, more like in the 1-1-5. 1-1-2 range. Control has been better.
Starting point is 00:15:53 And, you know, when you talk about, like, yeah, Ryan Halsley could come and take it. Giovanni Gaiagos could take it, but that's going to depend. One, like, I'm not sure Ryan Halsley's good. And Gallegos is, as much as I like him and I like him just as much as anyone else. He is one of those one-year breakout pitch relievers. You know, he had never pitched at this kind of level. before. And so it might not be for real. He might get figured out. And so, you know, there's no guarantee Kim is a star. But in that same league, Zach Britain went for $41. And we know
Starting point is 00:16:29 Zach Britain is not the, that's ridiculous. That's exactly what I'm talking about. But this is the, your bid was better. Your, your bid made more sense. It doesn't matter if everyone's being irrational. If everyone's being irrational, the rational move, if you want to get a player is you're going to have to overbid. I don't agree. Then you're not going to get players. That's fine. Chris is right.
Starting point is 00:16:48 The season hasn't started yet, Chris. Guess what? The next time, the next time, when a roll of Shabin comes off the IL in a week and the guy who just bid $42 on Jack Britton needs a closer, he's going to have a much harder time getting a closer next time because he's $42 bucks in the hole for somebody that he barely used. That was a really bad bid. And I'm not going to, Chris, I am not going to overreact because everybody else is because
Starting point is 00:17:12 there's nobody out there right now. and I'm just going to say something completely ironic after this, but there's nobody out there right now that I think I absolutely have to have in this league that is so good that is worth half my budget. And if there is one guy, might be Corbyn Berths. I recognize the upside with Corbyn. Guys, we got to move on. We got to move on.
Starting point is 00:17:32 And I want to ask you because it's relevant here about what we're talking about. Astro's manager, Dussie Baker said Monday that Ryan Presley will probably close games for the Houston Astros if Roberto Osuna, which is not injury-related. is not ready to start the season, which it doesn't sound like Osuna is going to be ready to start the season. Presley was phenomenal last year, a 232 ERA, 0.90 whip, 11.9Ks per 9. Scott, if we're hearing about guys like Zach Britton going for $41,
Starting point is 00:18:02 I mean, do we need to be that aggressive on Presley as well? I don't think that Chapman's going to miss that much time. O'Suna or Chapman? Well, I mean, I'm just kind of like comparing situations. Like, I don't think Chapman's going to miss too much time. I don't think Osuna's going to miss much time. So if people are being aggressive on Britain, does that mean we should be aggressive on Presley?
Starting point is 00:18:21 I'd be more interested in Britain, actually. I don't really understand what's going on with Osuna. I don't think he was late reporting or, you know, has been away from the team. It just seems like he's taking a long time to get ready for the season. I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong. I just haven't really seen anything.
Starting point is 00:18:44 to indicate why he's behind schedule. So I'm not sure what's going on there. But, you know, if he's throwing and stuff, it shouldn't take much longer, I would think, for him to be ready. And Dusty Baker's been kind of, like, I don't know if he'll be ready for the season. Like, he hasn't been even that clear about whether or not it'll have Ozone already from the start. But if he doesn't, I don't think it'll be long.
Starting point is 00:19:08 And, you know, Chapman obviously having yet to have his, two negative tests after testing positive, we have no idea how long that's going to take. Yeah, let me just weigh in on this here. I'm reading something right now from SportsRadio610.com, which appears to be a Texas or Houston station. So Ozuna was in Mexico during the pandemic and the restrictions made it harder for him to get working.
Starting point is 00:19:35 So I think he's just behind there. I drafted Ozuna last night. He was the sixth true closer off the board. There were at least four sparps. So he was, I think, the 11th relief pitcher off the board. I thought I loved it. Now, I was thinking about drafting Presley, but here's what I would say to anyone who's in a league that's doing a long week,
Starting point is 00:19:56 the first four days plus the next seven and 11-day scoring period for week one. I think that drafting Presley and starting him would be really foolish because OZuna could be back in the middle of that long scoring period. And that would be the worst possible scenario where you didn't start either of them. So Presley went on drafted. Look, I think if Ozuna were out for an extended period of time, Presley could be the number one relief pitcher in baseball. And he needs to be owned in every Roto League,
Starting point is 00:20:22 even if he's not getting saves, I think, or most Roto leagues. But I decided to draft Ozuna. I'm just going to put him on my I L for the first scoring period. I expect to have him back at the beginning of the second scoring period, which is, I guess, the third week of the season. The last couple of news items I want to hit. Willie Calhoun took five more at bats in a simulated game on Monday. So that's back-to-back days where he's taken five.
Starting point is 00:20:43 that bats and is likely to avoid the injured list to start the season. T.R. Sullivan of MLB.com reports the Yankees placed right-hand pitcher Masairo Tanaka on the 10-day injured list retroactive to July 19th with a concussion. He should be ready to go the second time through the order, through the rotation for the Yankees, and then Jacob deGrom through a side session yesterday or earlier today, recently, without incident. That was today, actually, at City Field. So he is good to go and he will pitch on opening day for the Mets against the Atlanta Braves. And with that, we will play the first song that I have carved out here
Starting point is 00:21:19 from the song submissions you sent in for the listener leagues. We'll play it right now. See what you think. Sing it, Stevie. I need some steals and I need them now. There's just loads of power to go around. There's just too much demand, not enough supply. till a base steeler comes falling down.
Starting point is 00:22:02 Oh, how much do I pay for a little speed? Tray could get me 50 bags, or only three should I draft Mondecy with the injury risk. Will he hit his ceiling or end up slipping a disc? What do I do? And that came from Adam Bushman. Great job, man. I mean, I'm telling you, some of these are awesome. I think Chris, that's played on a 12 string, if I'm not mistaken.
Starting point is 00:22:43 That's why it didn't sound quite as full as the good old Fleetwood Mac. Yeah, I mean, you know, the only note I have is, you know, it's fine to play it on a six-string acoustic. There's nothing wrong with that. Yeah. The two most well-known versions of landslide, finger-shunds, feature some of the most distinctive singers in the history of rock and roll music,
Starting point is 00:23:04 obviously Stevie Nix, who I mean, love Fleetwood Mick, love Stevie Nix, she's a goddess, but, you know, distinctive voice.
Starting point is 00:23:14 And then obviously the Smashing Pumpkins version. Dude, the, listen to me when I say this. The single, I'm not joking. The single worst cover in music history
Starting point is 00:23:27 is Smashing Pumpkin's. Find me one worse. There are many. Your assignment tomorrow, five, one song. One cover worse than that. Limp Biscuits cover of Behind Blue Eyes is so much worse.
Starting point is 00:23:42 That sounds bad. I never heard that. It is so much. Adam, the music's knob. Oh, it doesn't sound as full with the 12 string and the six string smashing pumpkins. And I do love that song, Landslide.
Starting point is 00:23:56 He butchers landslide. How do you, No, not the, not Adam. I'm smashing pumpkins. How do you love 90s alternative and you don't like smashing pumpkins at him? It's a great question.
Starting point is 00:24:07 I think it's his voice. It just doesn't do it for me, you know? You weren't a swan guy? What's that? Shouts to all my swan heads out here. All right. Let's get back to fantasy baseball. Look at the most ad list right now
Starting point is 00:24:22 on CBSports.com. And at the top, one Dodger and one former Dodger, Ross Stripling moved from 24% to 46% Rich Hill from 30 to 50%. Adam, last night you took Ross Stripling, pick 135 overall. Mind you, this was a head-to-head points league where the pitchers went off the board very quickly
Starting point is 00:24:44 and very aggressively. Rich Hill in that same draft went 91st overall. So we're talking about two pitchers that went inside the top, 135 picks that are both owned in 50% or less than that leagues on cbsports.com uh scott the ownership percentage for both of these players should be higher the thing is like among the major sites uh CBS ownerships tend to be higher than like ESPN than yahoo
Starting point is 00:25:14 and the fact they're still 50% or lower rich hill especially i mean how long have we been hyping rich hill at this point i you know i do wonder like how many leagues just got abandoned that drafted early is that is that like our ownership percentage is going to be kind of lagging all year year. I wonder about that. But nonetheless, Rich Hill must own, must start. I think he's probably going to be in contention for the Cy Young Award this season, considering he's probably going to hold up for 60 games. That's the hope anyway. Yeah, I mean, last night for the first time ever, Rich Hill, that I've seen at least, went ahead of Hazel Sosardo. And at this point, that should
Starting point is 00:25:52 100% happen in every league. And I contributed to Rich Hill, the one league I'm in, where he was available on waiver. Actually, there was two. I put in very big bids in both. I put in more than 50% of my budget, Adam. I would do that. I would do that. I was going to say.
Starting point is 00:26:11 But the most notable one I mentioned it yesterday, the TGFBI, the great fantasy baseball invitational, we drafted, we started drafting, I think at late February. I had Noah Cinderguard on my roster. I put in two thirds of my budget, $667 for Rich Hill.
Starting point is 00:26:27 Got him. it might be an upgrade. It might be an upgrade over what I was expecting from Noah Cindergarde provided Rich Hill can hold up for 12 starts. Yes.
Starting point is 00:26:36 Thanks for clarifying because I'm sure in a lot of leagues there are players that are worthy of 50% of your budget. The league I was referring to is pretty deep and not much on the waiver wire, especially after the first couple of nights of bidding.
Starting point is 00:26:48 And by the way, no, and stripling, stripling to me would be like a 30% of budget kind of guy. He's up there too. The only league where he was available Rich Hill was also available, and so I only got Hill. But, you know, Stripling, I mean, he could, he made the All-Star team in 2018, the last time the first half of 2018, we saw him used as a regular typical starter.
Starting point is 00:27:11 And it sounds like that's how the Dodgers are going to use them this year. They need Dustin May to piggyback with Walker Bueller while he's getting stretched out. They actually sent Tony Gonsolin down to minor league camp, so he's not even in the picture. Stripling is probably going to be able to go deep. into games. And just looking at his ratios the past couple years, that could make him a must-start pitcher as well. Ross Stripling in his career as a starter,
Starting point is 00:27:35 a 371-E-R-A, a 120-WIP, not phenomenal numbers, but very, very serviceable. And then Rich Hill, I remember we did a week where we did like Roto category contributors, and it was basically for every pitching category outside of saves. Rich Hill was one of our sleepers. So just a reminder, he should be owned in more than 50% of leagues. A pair of New Yorkers, Zach Britton,
Starting point is 00:27:57 went from 17 to 34% Uennus Cespitis went from 20 to 35%. Adam, we spoke about Britain already. Do you think that he should be a must-own player in Aroldus Chapman's absence? Would you handcuff him if you were in a Roldus Chapman owner? I did in that 15-team mock draft that we had. I don't think it's a bad idea.
Starting point is 00:28:16 I mean, I do think Britain's going to get pretty much every save chance, you know, assuming he doesn't have like a workload issue. I think he's the closer, put it that way. I'd rather, if you don't mind, Rather talk about another New Yorker on here, Aaron Hicks, 27% owned. Two years ago, he was 10th in fantasy points per game among outfielders. He was tied with Aaron Judge.
Starting point is 00:28:40 Last year, he had a really bad season. But Aaron Hicks, 2018, he played 137 games. He had 90 walks to 111 strikeouts. He batted 240. He batted 248. But because his play discipline is so good, he was the, tied for 10th in fantasy points per game. My bold prediction, I think one of my bold predictions last year was that he'd end up being
Starting point is 00:29:03 a top 10 outfielder in points leagues. The other night he had fifth in between Stanton and Sanchez. And I think he's going to play every day. Nobody plays every, every day at the start of the season. But I think he's basically the everyday center fielder for the Yankees, unless he just stinks like he did last year. The best version of Aaron Hicks is a must-own, must-start player, particularly in points leagues.
Starting point is 00:29:25 He is 27-per-owned. I am still pissed that I did not get him last night. I figured nobody else would want him. Put him on your radar. Put him on your team if you have a spot. Yeah, the thing that helps him is he can play center field. And among the players on the Yankees roster, despite the fact that they have a ton of outfielders,
Starting point is 00:29:41 you know, really just him, Brett Gardner and Mike Talkman can play center field. And so, you know, I was thinking like, well, is Aaron Hill really going to, Aaron Hicks really going to play every day? And it's not going to be every day. Brett Gardner will fill in Mike Talkman, we'll get a couple of stars. but, you know, he's definitely clear of the biggest log jams there. Like, it wouldn't surprise me if Clint Frazier was a better hitter than Aaron Hicks this year. But I would be really surprised if Clint Frazier got more plate appearances than Aaron Hicks.
Starting point is 00:30:11 And again, to bet fifth in the Yankees lineup is a pretty favorable spot to be in for fantasy baseball purposes. So right behind Stanton and right ahead of Gary Sanchez. I don't think he deserves to bat fifth, but I think Boone just wants a switch hitter in the middle of the lineup to kind of break up all the righties. So as a result, it looks like Aaron Hicks is going to bat fifth, at least for now, to start the season for the New York Yankees. A quartet of starting pitchers here in the most added group. Alex Wood went from 56 to 69%. Yanni Chorinos, 30 to 42%, Josh James, 47 to 58%, and Nathan Avaldi, who has been named the opening day starter for the Boston Red Sox, 33 to 44%. I mean, look, I've got Nathan Avaldi on a lot of my teams.
Starting point is 00:30:55 He's kind of a special points league. He's one of the SPARPs who I think can be a significant difference maker this year. But yeah, opening day. I don't understand why Yanni Trinos is jumping. Yeah. He's not 100% sure to be ready for the start of the season. I think the assumption is, but he worked out for the first time like three or four days ago after testing positive for COVID. And so what is his role?
Starting point is 00:31:25 What's his role? He's going to start. Yeah. It might be a situation where he's only going three innings the first time through, especially for the race. But he's not like coming in in the second inning and pitching until the sixth or seventh? Oh, I mean, no, no. That wasn't the role he was in for most of last season.
Starting point is 00:31:43 You know, after the start of this season, he really was just a normal starter. Because it says he made 26. Okay. He made 26 appearances and 18 of them were starts last year. Scott, he's good. Scott, anyone stand out to you from this group of four? Josh James. Should Josh James be more than 58% owned?
Starting point is 00:32:04 I mean, I think so. All of these ownership percentages still seem low to me. I mean, the only one I question, why are people picking them up? Like Chris was saying is Gerinos. But all of them still seem low to me. Like CESBET is at 35%. I would think that would be more like 50 to 60. And, you know, obviously I'm very excited about Alex.
Starting point is 00:32:26 with Josh James. I've been hyping them for months at this point. Rich Hillen is at the front of the list. Like we talked about, stripling is probably second, and then you got Wood and James there. Like, all of those are musts for me, and on my pitching staff. They have the kind of upside where you might put them in your lineup and never take them out again.
Starting point is 00:32:46 And that's what you need at starting pitcher. So those are the four especially that I'd be gravitating toward if they were available. All right, here's a second song that I'm going to play from the submissions that we received in order to be in our podcast league. I love my team and only got a beat seven other guys. Or gals.
Starting point is 00:33:14 How can I lose it if I get Correa in round number nine? Sing him with him, Chris. In the shallow, shallow. In the shallow, shal-la-la-la-lo. In the shallow shallow-l-l-l-l-l-lows, I'm playing in the shallowly. Excellent.
Starting point is 00:33:47 Another fantastic submission. That one was from Jason Lawrence. Thanks again for sending that in. Quickly promote a few things. If you can be so kind as to leave us a five-star Apple podcast rating and review, we would appreciate that very much. And in addition to watching us on our Fantasy Baseball today YouTube channel,
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Starting point is 00:34:23 Friday when all of the teams are in action. So make sure to watch CBS Sports. HQ. All right, we're going to take a quick break when we come back. We are going to look at the most drop players and then talk about some of the other players who are trending up and down. We'll do that here on fantasy baseball today. All right, the most dropped players on CBS Sports.com. I guess none of these players are really all that surprising.
Starting point is 00:34:44 These are names. I wanted to avoid names that have opted out or have some kind of long-term injury. Jose Kentana, we don't know how long it's going to be. He'll probably miss the first couple of weeks of the season. Went from 79 to 63%. Jose Orkitti, from 84 to 73%, Scott, we have told people that they should be playing with more IL spots this year than ever before. Jose Orkitti was a very popular sleeper slash breakout candidate.
Starting point is 00:35:14 Shouldn't people just be stashing Orkiti on their IL? I mean, they should just have IL spots and he should be on one of them, or at least I think so. Yeah. Yeah, I was just confirming that he was placed on the IL. like he was. We have been given no indication what's going on with him or Jordan Alvarez. We know they're not with the team. One of the Astros beat writers yesterday tweeted out it's been 17 days since the Astros have
Starting point is 00:35:42 offered an update on Erkidi or Alvarez. Obviously people aren't dropping Alvarez. Erkidi, you know, much lower in to begin with. And being a starting pitcher, we're not sure. I sincerely doubt he'll just show up and be ready to start. Even as stretched out as pitchers were arriving to camp, they still needed a few starts to get ready for the season. So I'm not counting on much for Rikidi this year,
Starting point is 00:36:09 but I do like the upside. I certainly like the supporting cast. If he does come back sooner than later, there's still a chance for him to make an impact. So if you have a free I.L. spot, of course, you should put him there rather than just dropping him. A few other names here. Aristides Aquino, 56, went from 56% to 46%.
Starting point is 00:36:28 Giovanni Gallegos, 78 to 70%. Chris, you and Scott, have been two of the biggest advocates of Gallegos in the offseason. If you play in a 12-team roto league, would you be dropping Gallegos right now? It's a really hard question to answer. If I didn't have an I-L spot to put him in, I'd certainly have to consider it, given that, You know, we don't know what, when he's going to be available. You know, it might be opening day, but it's not a guarantee.
Starting point is 00:37:01 And we know he's not going to open the season as the closer. Yeah, I wouldn't, you know, one thing that we have to keep in mind with a lot of these guys is, you know, guys who tested positive, guys who, you know, had symptoms, especially like, they could be back by opening day. It doesn't mean they're going to be right by opening day. Like this is such a weird situation that we're in that there could be a lot of situations where guys are technically healthy but aren't themselves yet. And so, you know,
Starting point is 00:37:32 I think when you're talking about someone like Ayegos who missed most of camp, you know, there is at least a chance that he gets off to a bad start. Well, he wasn't unhealthy, though. He was a contact. He was in Mexico. He was stuck in Mexico.
Starting point is 00:37:46 That's right. Yeah. Two final names I wanted to mention Joey Lucasey went from 71 is 63%. Caesar Hernandez. I don't understand this one. You heard Heath on the show yesterday said he loves
Starting point is 00:37:56 Caesar Hernandez, one of his favorite second baseman to target, went from 63% to 56%. Adam, how would you feel if you were named the lead-off man of the Cleveland Indians and everyone started dropping you in fantasy baseball? It's pretty interesting, I suppose. I think what happened was, and I was talking to a few industry insiders about this, seems like all the fantasy baseball players out there we're looking at Seizor Hernandez, and they realized that he's not good.
Starting point is 00:38:23 So, uh, no, it is, uh, it is good to bad lead off for the Cleveland Indians. That would be a saving grace for him. He's a pretty low upside play. I mean, he doesn't have any power. Um, so he's, you know, he, he would have to be like, to me, he's an IL replacement. He's not a top 12 second baseman. I'm just confused that Joey Lucasey's 63% rostered. I don't understand why that would like, like, why,
Starting point is 00:38:49 Why is it that high? Joey Lucchese, 63% owned and Rich Hill's 50%. And part, yeah, like that, partially that's, you know, people drafted early. Yeah, I think Scott's onto something. I think, you know, there are some leagues that probably just dropped out. And we're going to see some wacky ownership percentages. But, I mean, still. But that being said, I don't know why Joey Lucchase was ever 71% owned or 63.
Starting point is 00:39:13 Like, he shouldn't have been 63% owned to start with. But Chris, he has a really unique change-up curveball pitch. I mean, that's really all he's got. That's a one-pitch pitcher for you, Joey Lucasey. All right, the third song that we wanted to feature here today from our listeners that sent in for the podcast leagues. Here you go. We started with Scott White.
Starting point is 00:39:34 It seems like a wise dude. Every pitcher in the drag. He's trying to consume. He doesn't like a pain, but it takes too long. It gets a little awkward, but the effort's strong. Then you got Heath Cummins and his voice is deep. On a mission trying to tell me Travis Shaw is deep. He's gone, M.A.
Starting point is 00:39:49 2019, which is why I gotta get up in this league. So Adam is next. He doesn't act like the coolest. He's the former host, and he might be Jewish. He knows the numbers, but trust his gut. He helps Frank keep him moving when the show's stuck. And speaking to Frank and his learning curve, if Jose O'Brien sucks, he's going to hit the curve.
Starting point is 00:40:08 But his knowledge is key. His segue is slick. I see my homie, and I think this guy's legit. Chris Towers his back. I said to myself, I can't believe he's bald. I'm worried for his health. He's a pit boss first. Twitter star next, but if Mitch Keller's trash, he's getting a text.
Starting point is 00:40:23 They got this league hype's up and they all around. I'm just trying to see if I can take these busters down. I'm right for pitch a list. You know I ain't some other clown rolling up with Kevin Newman in the 13th round. They've got pods on my phone. I hear the sounds. So Scott White saying dinner and I'm breaking down. It'd be Coca-mo Friday every day if you put me in the lead with a chance to play.
Starting point is 00:40:43 Zach Gallin in the clip, Lance Lynn in the hole. Mitch Keller getting started to pick 134. Scott White will be yelling, but it's going to be great. Van Benet's coming in to set the record straight. Yeah, winner. Outstanding. Outstanding. Again, that was Van Burnett who writes for pitcher list,
Starting point is 00:41:01 as you heard a few times there throughout the song. I think Mitch Keller went at pick 134 in our draft last night. Really? I'm trying to figure that out. I am not sharp enough to do the math on the spot. So what do you guys want to do it? Second pick of round 12? Oh, it was 139.
Starting point is 00:41:19 Sorry. That didn't fit the rhyme, though. So it's close enough. I will take five off to fit the run. That was excellent. Some players that were phenomenal. Great job there. Regulators for fantasy baseball today.
Starting point is 00:41:38 Little applause there, Adam? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Trending up players. Scott, you wrote an article with some 20 players who are trending up and down. And Aaron Judge, we spoke about him yesterday. I hit another home run yesterday which came off of Vince
Starting point is 00:41:51 Velasquez who we will also mention here. Three homers in two days for Aaron Judge. I guess I need to change my tune a little bit. Adam, you got him in the sixth round last night. It's the round. It's pretty good. Oh, dude. So excited. In my home league, I think my dad took him in the fourth round, so it shows you
Starting point is 00:42:07 a little bit of a difference in leagues there, but I will just caution everybody. We're not out of the woods yet, all right, when it comes to Aaron Judge. I'm just, the guy has suffered a lot of muscle strains in the past, the oblique. I just think some of these players who are, frankly, just too big for their own good, are more prone to injury because they have muscles in places that we've never seen before from baseball players.
Starting point is 00:42:33 So, I mean, guys like Judge Stanton, I mean, even Joey Gallo to an extent, I mean, that's why I personally downgrade some of those guys. Yeah. Well, we're never out of the woods with Aaron Judge from that perspective. but I think just kind of inherent injury risk as opposed to a specific one
Starting point is 00:42:52 with the rib like we were talking about before, you know, six round is more than enough of a downgrade for that. Oh, you're right. And if he came to me, I had the first pick last night.
Starting point is 00:43:04 If he came to me at the six-seven turn, I would have taken him. And that's with everything that I've said about Aaron Judge in this off-season. Scott, someone you didn't have on this list of training up players, but I think someone that we should
Starting point is 00:43:15 mention because I've seen some hype around him on Twitter, including myself. That is Lance McCullors, who is in line to be the second pitcher in the rotation for the Houston Ashro. Zach Cranke is a little bit behind. Last night, five innings pitched, four hits, one-earned run, zero walks, six strikeouts. He had 14 swinging strikes on 76 pitches. He had at least four swinging strikes on each of his two-seamer, his curve, and his change-up. Scott, you and I both have him ranked inside of our top 45. starting pitchers for anyone who is still drafting over these next couple of days. Yeah, one of the toughest decisions I had to make last night in the draft.
Starting point is 00:43:54 The podcast league draft was Denelson Lamet versus Lance McCullors. I chose Denelson Lamette. I think I kind of regret it right now. I think I do. It's the Spider-Man meme. I don't know that it exactly is, you know, this or the other. I feel like McCullors has a higher floor. I feel like he has a better supporting cast.
Starting point is 00:44:21 I feel like he has a longer track record. Maybe Lament has a higher ceiling with all of those strikeouts, but, you know, McCuller is a pretty high strikeout guy too. So, yeah, I think I'd redo that if I could. Yeah, it's been weird that McCullors has been going after Lament all offseason when they, you know, have very similar profiles. They're really essentially two pitch pitchers, or at least they have been,
Starting point is 00:44:45 you know, McCullors has at least flashed a change up in the past in a way that Lamatt hasn't. Lamett truly is a fastball and really just a slider guy. His fastball gets absolutely crushed. I like McCullors a lot. I haven't drafted him all this year, though.
Starting point is 00:45:00 And I'm starting to worry I might regret that. The biggest reason I say McCullors has a higher floor is like, I wasn't paying as much attention to ground ball rates before he got hurt. I don't think. But he is one of the very best at generating ground. ball. Like the whole Astros pitching staff except for Verlander. I guess they're Kiti.
Starting point is 00:45:20 They have a lot of surprisingly high ground ball guys and McCullors is one of them. Yeah, look, if you could just get the walks down, I mean, the strikeouts have been phenomenal for McCullors in his career. Over 10, K-per-9. Last time we saw him in 2018, he had a 386 ERA, a 117 whip. Again, I think, you know, potentially three plus
Starting point is 00:45:38 pitches here with the fastball, the curveball, and then the change-up. That season, his change-up had a a fan graph's pitch value of 6.8, which is actually very good for only 128 innings pitch. So I'm starting to get a little bit of fomo here on Lance McCullors. McCullors and Luis Robert.
Starting point is 00:45:54 Those are the two that I am very, you know, regretful that I have zero shares of right now. Griffin Canning looked great against the Padres last night. I was watching him. Someone took him in that draft last night too. I was waiting to take him, I don't know, one of the last rounds like, oh, no one's going to take Griffin Canning.
Starting point is 00:46:09 And then he got taken right from under my nose, six innings pitch three hits last night two walks five k's only eight swinging strikes but i mean scott that type of efficiency 76 pitches six innings pitch he's going deep into games i'm i'm kind of excited about griffin canning again yeah i i'm kind of there with you still don't feel like we can totally dismiss the elbow situation it was so vague and the angels have a bad history of delaying tommy johnson surgery for pitchers and then inevitably happening. But with him looking, he seems to be pitching well.
Starting point is 00:46:48 That's, you know, as long as he's doing that and the investment is basically nothing, why not? I certainly liked Griffin Canning's upside before the elbow issue popped up. I had a great swinging strike rate as a rookie last year. And that is the single biggest, the single most important number to me, the single biggest skill indicator to me. So, yeah, I think you need to be drafting canning in the late rounds again. I like the other guy who pitched in that game more.
Starting point is 00:47:18 Oh, man. Gary Richards? Gary Richards. He looked pretty good, too. Yeah, five strikeouts in four and two thirds, 79 pitches. So he's pretty much where he needs to be. 10 swinging strikes on 79 pitches. The velocity's there.
Starting point is 00:47:32 The slider got six whiffs on 33 pitches. Garrett Richards, don't overlook him as a late-round sleeper or a waiver wire ad. How much fab for those guys? At least 70. Sure season, Adam. Can't hold anything back now.
Starting point is 00:47:48 No, but I think 20 is fine. Yeah, I'd throw, I would hope like 12 to 15, but if I had to go 20, if I really needed to speculate on a starting pitcher, like I've got some leagues we drafted really early. I had a lot of Luis Severino, no Cindergarde, and Chris Sale. So, yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:07 No, the editorial points league, I believe I have no Center Guard and Chris Sale. Oh, that league. The one thing I'll point out for Garrett Richards was that 72 of his 79 pitches last night came on just two pitches. So the cutter and the sliders. I don't know how long he can get away
Starting point is 00:48:23 using those two. Maybe he was by design just for a summer camp start, but something to pay attention to. Vince Velazquez was very good yesterday against your New York Yankees, Adam. Any interest in Vince Fulaska's five-endings pitched, one earned run, six strikeouts? Apparently, he's featuring a new cutter.
Starting point is 00:48:42 7% of my fab, I think, is reasonable. He has had a pretty lousy career as a starter, but yes, I did read Scott's write-up. This is a great, great column, by the way. It's hard to keep track of these summer camp performances, so check it out. Yes, the new pitch really could change everything for a pitcher. And you know he's got some good stuff.
Starting point is 00:49:01 so I'm definitely interested in Vince Velasquez. The problem with Vince Velasquez is, I mean, one, is everything, which is everything. I'm doing sinkers yesterday, which awesome, great, because the sinker has been just a disaster for him. The problem with him is that he's never really had, like every one of his pitches is just kind of pretty good,
Starting point is 00:49:19 and it has all added up to being a really bad pitcher. But, you know, if he is ditching the sinker for the most part, and, you know, that hard. cutter maybe can give him a different look. You know, like baseball, Savant has him throwing 80 or 14 two seam fastballs yesterday, but they were at 88 miles an hour. I'm pretty sure that's the new changeup that he's been throwing. Yeah, the cutters, what I've
Starting point is 00:49:49 seen it most often referred to, but it's, you know, the idea is to change up the speed of the fastball. So, okay. I thought the cutter was the slider because that was actually, he was throwing that a little harder than the slider was last year. So, you know, I think he did add both. Maybe I'm wrong. You might have read more, but the slider is about two miles per hour harder than it had been in the past. Yeah. And so my assumption was the slider, the cutter, the two-sue fastball. You know, this is the thing with early season and preseason pitch tracking stuff is it takes a while for these things to calibrate. And so the first couple of starts, you're going to see some weird things. The last
Starting point is 00:50:28 song that I wanted to play here for you guys from our listener league submissions. We'll start right now. Baseball's back like before. Watching games and following box scores for the love of the game.
Starting point is 00:50:47 We'll be playing fantasy again. Baseball's back. We're so glad. Let's not lose the special thing we have. Keep our eye on the ball Let's wear our masks and keep our distance so we can play into the fall Da-da-da-da-da-da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da. Where's with Scott?
Starting point is 00:51:31 Scott, are you glued to your chair? Ooh, dance. Perfect. Terrific. Fantastic. I believe that one came from Holton Seagling. So shout out to Holton. Scott, is that a Hamilton song?
Starting point is 00:51:57 Correct me if I was. I don't know why you're going to me on that, but it is a Hamilton song. There was one day we connected earlier. You're like, hey, I watched, you know, Hamilton three times the first week it came out. I think that was you. Oh, no. I just watched it once. Okay.
Starting point is 00:52:09 But yes, I did watch it the day. I have watched it. Everybody else watched it. I have watched it twice since it came out. I have not watched it, but hearing that song kind of makes me want to watch it. Not going to lie. Oh, my God. Frank, you got to watch it, man.
Starting point is 00:52:24 You got to watch it. All right, well, quickly mention a few of the players that are trending down. Mike Trout and Zach Wheeler. Scott, you mentioned because of the concerns over their wives, you know, giving birth throughout the course of the season. You're just seeing how long it's taking all these other players to return. so there is some concern. And Adam, you got Mike Trout 10th overall last night.
Starting point is 00:52:46 Quite the surprise. The question is, how much time would Mike Trout have to miss for him not to be a first round pick? In other words, if you drafted him, I said, okay, he's definitely going to miss three weeks. I mean, he's so much better than everybody else, basically. No, I think, too, he's not going to. You're saying it would have to miss that much. Even if he missed three weeks, I would have had a hard time passing him up at 10th overall. That's a third of the season.
Starting point is 00:53:13 No, because listen, it's, and not only is it a third of the season, it's like half the regular season almost, but in a three outfielder points league, you know, an outfielder's pretty easy to replace. Nobody can replace Mike Trout. But it's not like I'm getting crap on the waiver wire here.
Starting point is 00:53:27 I'll get a good player to fill in for him. And if I can make the playoffs and have Mike Trout, he's just, but in his case? So much better. Yeah, you're going to say it could be the playoffs. Yeah,
Starting point is 00:53:38 his absence could come during the fantasy playoffs. I couldn't pass him up at 10. No, I don't think you have to justify Mike Trout at 10th. I thought that was, I was surprised to see him sliding so much. I have him fifth. I think it may be sixth in this format, but yeah, 10th is. I have yet to see him slide to the second round, though I know it's happened from talking to others into industry. They've seen it before, but that's, to me, inexcusable.
Starting point is 00:54:03 I'm anticipating about a week that he misses. It might be more like five days. It might be more like nine days, but I'm anticipating a week. Yeah, I would take him sixth overall in a headside points league. I would take him eighth overall in a Roto League to answer your question at him. I think if he missed anything more than a week, that would probably affect his ability to return first round value. I don't think so personally,
Starting point is 00:54:26 because there will be other players in the first round who missed time for one reason or another, you know? So I think anything more than two weeks, I could be argued out of the first round, but he is just, just too good. Mike Trout's really good. You heard it here first.
Starting point is 00:54:43 I'm so happy I have him. It's so fun to have Mike Trout on a fantasy team. Walker Bueller, for me, now firmly behind the top four in Roto. Again, that is Garrett Cole, DeGrom, Max Scherzer, and Justin Verlander. And in Head to Head Points Leagues, I dropped him behind Clevenger and Beaver as well, Scott.
Starting point is 00:55:01 There is some concern about how many times through the rotation it will take Bueller to get up to speed, like everybody else. Yeah, there is. And I would drop him behind Clevenger and Bieber. And you say he went, yeah, he actually went after them yesterday. He still went early in the second round.
Starting point is 00:55:22 Okay, I took him. Yeah. Well, no, I don't necessarily, like, I don't think you were wrong to take him. Like, it's just. What do you think about that start, though? Trout and Bueller, my first two picks? Yeah. Yeah, that's.
Starting point is 00:55:37 Well, here's my thinking. Here's my thinking, guys. I think this is being overblown. Bueller threw 20 pitches on Friday, something like that. So I don't see what, like the first time he pitches, four innings maybe. I don't see why he shouldn't be able to pitch six innings in his second outing. So I guess the way I'm thinking is like maybe, maybe I will sit him for week one. After that, that's two starts.
Starting point is 00:56:01 After the first week, which is 11 days for most fantasy leagues, after the first scoring period, I would feel like there is no way Walker Bueller would not be throwing six or more innings and being Walker Bueller unless he's just not right. But I don't know. I think this is being overblown.
Starting point is 00:56:17 How long does it take to get a guy stretched out to pitch six innings? Well, I mean, spring training is six weeks, and my understanding is Bueller was basically starting over. And he was just throwing 20 pitches the other day. But summer camp wasn't six weeks. I know.
Starting point is 00:56:32 It was only three weeks. That's what I'm saying. But everybody's in my book. I would not count on him. for his first two starts. I'm not saying I absolutely wouldn't start him. That's one scoring period. And I agree.
Starting point is 00:56:42 So I think you sit him one scoring period. You don't even have to, but hold on. That's it. Hold on. If he's one of the first four pitchers in their rotation, they start off against the Giants. You're not going to start Walker Bueller? I believe he's lining up to go fifth.
Starting point is 00:56:58 Oh, so then he would go against the asteros. That's not great. Well, that might, that might lead into the second scoring period, but I'm starting him in the second scoring period. I assume it depends how long. The two-star pitcher. Yeah. It depends what scoring.
Starting point is 00:57:10 Like the default setting is the first weekend is the first scoring period. So first full week is the second scoring period. So he's pitching tomorrow. So Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Monday would be his sixth day or his fifth. Yeah. Whatever. So they have an off day Monday, which means.
Starting point is 00:57:28 They're off Monday. So he probably won't pitch until that Tuesday. Which is at Houston. would line him up to pitch on Sunday, so twice in that second week. But the further you get pushed back in that first time through the rotation, the harder it is going to be for you to get to 12 or 13 starts. You know, I actually went through and just kind of assumed every team's rotation, one through five, assuming they would go four days of rest and skip the fourth and fifth starters to keep the first three guys. And for most teams, their four.
Starting point is 00:58:04 starter pitches 11 or 12 games, and the fifth starter pitches anywhere between 8 and 11, depending on how aggressive they want to get with skipping them. Obviously, Walker Bueller is not going to be skipped, but when there's only 60 games on the schedule and you're lopping off the first four and he's pitching the fifth, that leaves you 55 games for him to pitch, you know, 12 times. That's cutting it really close. You know, that's a, that's a rainout pushes him back and he only makes 11 stops. And we're not sure that two of those starts. And frankly, it could be longer.
Starting point is 00:58:37 It could be just one, like you're saying, Adam. I mean, you know, maybe they're going to be extra aggressive and he's going to be feeling great. And they let him go six that second time. Yeah, but I'm planning on sitting in. I'm planning on sitting in for that second time anyway in all likelihood because my leagues, the way I'm seeing it play out, my leagues, I don't have their schedule in front of me.
Starting point is 00:59:00 I'm assuming he will pitch twice in the first scoring period. I will probably not start him in that scoring period. And then I have Walker Bueller after that. That's my thought. Relative to the rest of the pitcher class, I think you took him in the right spot. I don't like the idea of taking Bueller early in the second round anymore, but that's just kind of the way this draft played out
Starting point is 00:59:20 with the early run on starting pitchers. So his first start's going to come at Houston. Right. You've got to sit him. Probably got to sit him at Arizona. And then he's home versus the Giants. That helps. you're probably starting him.
Starting point is 00:59:34 I'd say, Chris, I mean, if they say he can go six innings, there will be no piggybacking at Arizona, or almost anywhere. You know, you're sitting them. You're starting them. Right. If they say that. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:45 If they say that, yeah. Yeah. You took him last night, Adam, just after Jack Flerty, Shane Bieber, and Mike Clevenger went off the board. So that would be SP8, I believe. That's insane. That's wild.
Starting point is 01:00:00 Yeah, it's crazy how things, have changed so quickly with Walker Bueller. The last news item that I just want to mention, trending down the fall of Yordaun. Sounds like the next Star Wars movie. He went with the pick 78 in round seven last night. Scott, is that warranted? Yurdon Alvarez, round seven.
Starting point is 01:00:19 I guess. I guess. I mean, it could look great if he reports tomorrow. We just have no idea. We have no idea what kind of timetable we're looking at. And in a full-length season, that wouldn't even bother me so much. but because two weeks is like a quarter of the season basically.
Starting point is 01:00:37 It's a real problem. I wanted to take him in round seven myself, but because of the pitching run I couldn't. I had to reach for Junjin Ryu instead. That's where we were in the starting pitcher rankings in round seven. And that's why I'm dressed up. Since I made a point to do it, I might as well point it out.
Starting point is 01:00:55 I got my Blue Jays hat on. I got my Ryu shirt on, Ryu Hayibusa from, Ninja Guyton character Ryu. Yeah. So I don't know if anybody heard me because I just moved the mic. Ryu Huayibusa from the Ninja Guidon series. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:01:13 This was my ode to my biggest reach of the draft last night, Junjin Ryu in round seven. There was no such thing as a reach in that draft. There was not. This is what happens the last week before the season is ADP gets thrown out the window and you just take who you want. Like, I think I took Zach Allen in the seventh round. Like at some point, pitchers were getting pushed up.
Starting point is 01:01:34 There's no such thing as a reach in this league in this draft that we did last night. Chris, make that Zach Allen in the sixth round while you're at it. And I hated you for it because, of course, I wanted him all my team. I took Max Fried and Kenta Maeda at the six-seven turn. So just to give you an idea of how many- I took the Siong winner in round eight. If Adam hadn't taken Aaron Judge in round six, Zach Allen might have been there for you.
Starting point is 01:01:57 I blame you, Adam. And I blame you, Chris. And I blame you, Scott. And for all three of them, I am Frank. Thank you all for listening and watching Fantasy Baseball today on our YouTube channel. We'll be back again tomorrow. Bye-bye.

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