F*ck Buddies: A Sex and Dating Advice Podcast - Inside Inside the Manosphere

Episode Date: March 30, 2026

We sit down in the Sleepless Studios here in Toronto to do a special deep-dive into the new documentary Inside the Manosphere. Support the show on Patreon!

Hello friends. My name is Dane Miller. And I'm Nile Spain. And we're your fuck buddies. We are a sex and dating advice podcast where we take your sticky, sexy, sexy, sexy, sexy situations and turn them into sexy sticky situations. Simply put, we find questions roaming the wilds of the internet on the topics of sex and dating. We answer them right here, right now, every Monday. And this week, we're going to talk about something that's horrendous. Yeah, we're going to do it. It's horrendous. Should we talk about what we're doing also where we are currently?

Yeah, we're at Sleepless Studios. in Toronto. In Toronto. Courtesy of. I don't know why I'm pointing. Curtesy of so much. Well, we're on video now.

We're going to try not to constantly talk about the fact that we're on video. Or look directly down the camera. Well, I'm doing that. Yeah. We can just do it the whole way.

Yeah. Yeah. We are chilling in sleepless. We're trying to do a little bit more video content. And the studio's cozy as hell. This couch is so comfy. Ter is not bad. Yeah.

We'll switch. Next time. Okay. You can get the couch. I'll take the chair. Yeah, we're out here. We're doing things. And we figured, because we're doing something different in terms of location,

we will do something a little different in terms of content. Yeah. We've done this kind of once before on Patreon, when we talked about. A horrendous Spanish movie. Yeah. Mia Coppa. Culpamea.

Yeah. Whatever the weird, like. This one's less about fucking your brother. So. Yeah. And maybe. Maybe I will see. I don't know which one's worse.

Oh, I know which one's worse. Yeah, that's fair. Yeah. That's fair. We are going inside, inside the manosphere. We're going deep inside the manosphere. I don't want to. No, I will say I did not enjoy it.

I felt ill. I felt ill watching this thing. I, yeah, no, it was bad. I will say, my saving graces, I didn't know who the fuck any of, anyone in there was, apart from Andrew Tate, who wasn't in there, because he got very upset when asked to join the project and said, Oh, really? He demanded payment. And then when Louis was like, no,

it's a documentary, we're not going to pay you. He was like, he sent him apparently a screenshot of like where you rank on like Google searches. And there was like a little bar that said Andrew Tate and a little bar that said Louis Thoreau. And he was like, I'm here and you're there, mate. You gotta pay me.

So apparently Louis... Is Andrew Trey? He's a British? He's... That's my... I'm an asshole voice. And he is an asshole. We know that much. I was going to say, because there is a guy in the documentary who talks like that. Yeah, he talks like how I make all my idiot TTRPG NPCs. Yeah, literally. Yeah, it's like, it's like I made him and he came to life.

But I would never write someone that terrible. Anyway, back to Andrew Tate. So he sent a graph where it was like, oh, I'm here. You're here. Like, you're irrelevant, but I'm relevant. You need to pay me to like make up the difference. So I think Louis Turo sent him a graph after the documentary where he's like so much higher up than him and just sent him a screenshot after.

And I'm like, that's the kind of pettiness I'm here for. Yeah. I'm also pretty sure that Andrew Tate is now in a Saudi prison. Yeah, he's, like, it would have been really hard

to reach him for filming because Romania was throwing him to jail, that Saudi Arabia was throwing him to jail. He's on a jail tour. Yeah. You know. It's tough for me to cheer for

the prison complex of Saudi Arabia. But Andrew Tate has made me do it. Currently, I feel like I'm gonna let, let me slide for a little bit. Let him cook. for this one particular.

We'll see what happens. Yeah. Gonna derail everything before we get into this. Okay. Do you have much previous experience of Louis Thoreau? No. Can you remember a thing he was very famous for in the last two years or so? I think he did.

Did you not do the like my home, the Palestine? Way more important than that. Oh, man. Okay. My money don't jiggle, jiggle. It falls. That was him. Yeah.

So back in the day, he did a like, I guess as part of, I think he did a thing called weird weekends where he would just like go to different groups or I don't actually know what it is. All I know is that he ended up signing into a or signing up for a like a freestyle rap radio show and live on air doing this thing. And then people had to call in a vote for who they thought was better. And he just very politely bullied them into voting for him. And it's great. But it blew my mind because I watched the thing. And I was like, this guy's familiar.

I'm sure I've seen some of his stuff. And then it just popped up for me yesterday. and I was like, oh my God. That's him. And you know what? Respect him even more now. Yeah. What did you think, before we talk about specifics, what did you think about the actual documentary? Because I didn't like it. No, I didn't like it either.

I think the subjects were so terrified of being fucked over that they were all like really hard to reach and really hard to whatever. And then they had to be like given all these assurances and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And like he talks about it. he did an interview after with the, fuck, I forget the guy's name. It was on a different podcast where he basically said, like, they were so skittish and so worried that it was hard to get into them. And he kind of had to, like, not offend them too much

because if he did, they would pull access. So I think that's pretty prevalent throughout the thing, because I don't think he really hits them with a lot of hard. He doesn't really do much. Like, he just kind of is there. And, like, in a way, that's enough because they're such idiots that, like, and there's such assholes that shines through. but like I could have done with a little bit more like.

See, this is I think the problem with the approach that he took was going into it. Like I don't need to know anything about these dudes to know that that would be the same. The situation, right? Yeah, for sure. Of them being so scared and so worried about what's going to happen and that like he should have banked on seeing them once. Or gassing them up and then hitting them kind of like what he does. with fucking H.S. Tiki-Toki with his mom at the end

where he kind of like asked those questions in front of his mom being like, well, you know, you said you'd disown your son if he was gay, and like hold him in that hard position. But like I feel like the entire time they don't ask a single, he doesn't really ask. Most of his questions are like, can we see your house?

Yeah. Is this okay if I come in? I'm like, what are you trying to do here? other than be like, here are these assholes, which if you're interested in this, like when I saw it being talked about on social media, I was expecting a lot

because so many people were like, crazy, mind blown. And maybe it's just because we're so ingrained in this world in the sense of like we, it's not a surprise that this exists. Yeah. Yeah. That like,

it's just surprising to me that there are people out there who don't know that this exists and don't know that this is a very, prevalent thing online, especially the amount of women I saw posting about it, seemingly shocked by it. And I'm like, how do you not know about this? Like this is, how is this not infected your entire life? Yeah. With this. And it's like, I'm sure you know about the like consequences of these people and what they've done and the sort of rhetoric they push.

Yeah. You must know about it in your day to day life. But it just surprised me about how much people we're talking about it and how much there was like this centering of like shock. I kind of get it though because like while I know people like Andrew Tate exist, I don't ever look at their shit. So it's like it's one thing to hear about it and like know about it and another thing to like see it. And it's like when I'm seeing clips of this, it's genuinely insane to me less that they're doing it because I know they're scumbags, but more that any person ever is like, I support this guy. Well, it's we talked about it last week. I think, very briefly about the idea that it's like, we have all these guys out here peddling stuff, right?

All these guys, like the one dude with this telegram group where if you invest with me, you can lose all your money. Yeah, right? And it's like, surely, like, if these, if everyone in that group was becoming, was making three grand a day, like they were claiming, then surely, I assume they would not have to keep being in that group. or literally everybody would be in it. Well, the thing is, like, your man's like, oh, I made three grand this morning before I got out of bed, but then he's also like, I then live streamed for nine hours straight one day. Yeah.

You, like, that sounds like hell. I don't really care how much money you're getting live streaming for nine fucking hours. I podcast for an hour. I want to go home. Yeah. And it's not even like you're doing interesting things either. No, you're just talking.

He's desperate for the chat. Like, whatever he was sitting, trying to fucking stay relevant and trying to be. bar. And he was like, tap the screen. I need you to tap the screen. It's like, that's not, that's not a dominant persona when you're begging strangers to like your con. Well, let's be fair. Nothing they do is. And like the irony of pushing this hyper masculine like persona, but then when you see them, they're like so terrified at every moment like, fuck, am I, am I being alpha? am I being masculine? Did I say that masculinely? And it's just like, if you were what you

pedal, you wouldn't give a shit. Yeah. But yet you're so scared that every fucking second that you're not like this. And it's just, it's a sad way to live. Like, I don't know, man. It's one of the big things I noticed. And it was like the first note that I put in my phone when I was watching it. There was, there was two things that I noticed strongly across the board. one, the terror in the men's eyes and just overall being when they had to talk about their relationships. Oh, yeah.

They're like, every single one. And even that one guy, Justin, like the weird Tibu, like John Sina, the asshole John Sina. His intro just very quickly, he was like, this car, it's nothing. It's like, they're not even shooting the car. Like, okay, he's like, it's nothing. It doesn't matter.

And it's like, all right. Yeah, no, but like one of the crazy. I was like, you know this is a can line. And he says to everyone to draw attention to his car. But also it's like you're literally doing that. You're like my car. You said your car nine times the two sentences. Yeah.

You are drawing attention to your car. But okay. So it was that. It was how absolutely uncomfortable they were to talk about relationships and the relationship dynamic that they have with their partners. And then the other thing was, and this was something that I noticed almost right off the bat with, I think the first guy is HS Tiki-talkie.

But you notice it pretty much across the board with every dude is they are so childlike. Yeah. They are so like, I don't know how to explain it. And I'm not saying it in a way that like I meant to insult their intelligence. I mean it in the way that like what they get excited by and the way that they show excitement and the way that they like brag about stuff. Like every one of them, if you if you go back and watch it, If you watch it for the first time, watch how they show things.

It's the exact same way as like when a kid is like, come to my room, come and come in my room. Like here's this and here's this train I got. And here's the thing that my dad bought me. Here's this. And I got this at Disneyland. Like it happens with all of them, especially with when you meet Sneko when he's like,

and here's all my Trump stuff. And he's like showing off all of his like Trump gear. Yeah, it's like when a kid takes you into the room. Like this is my Thomas. Yeah. It's like it's the kid who's super into dinosaurs. And it's just going to go and sort of like, tell you the story about all of his dinosaurs on display.

Well, let's be fair. They're humor's the same. Because, like, I think it happens multiple times. They're like, that's my dishwasher, because there's a woman in the room. And I'm like, whoa, hilarious, amazing. Wow, a fucking 11-year-old said that and got bullied for it. You know what I mean? Like, I don't.

But it was, it was just, it was so surprising to me. Because it's a side that you never see, right? Because they never show excitement. These, these types of dudes, right? They're always, they're always presenting themselves outwards. And it's so funny to see like sort of a glimpse behind like that persona to see this like childlike almost innocent like adoration of the stupid shit that they have. It's the same thing as like when they go into what's this name, Myron's like studio. And he's like, where do you live?

Like where's your stuff? And it's like this guy who's like trashed his apartment to turn it into a studio to record his podcast about being a shit. bag. Yeah. But then when you meet, so is there anything you really want to talk about? Because I really want to talk about their relationship with women, which I think is like the big,

kind of the point. The big thing. Yeah, I guess there's a lot, like there's both so much and so little. It's like I could nitpick on every single aspect because it is all just bewildering and terrible. Yeah.

But like, yeah, I don't know. I will say my first note is cook, cook whose wife makes him peace sitting down. Because that's what they, describe Louis Tharo as at the start. And I'm just like, again, it's so childlike.

Like, you don't actually believe this. You know what I mean? Like, no one in the world has a wife who's like, you must be sitting down. You know what I mean? It's like, come on, guys. You get better material, you know? It's, so one of the big things that I thought was interesting

was like this one side of monogamy that they all seem to be pushing, right? I love the, I think it was the Myron guy, where like the second he's question. or anything that's brought up that he's said, which is kind of a through line throughout where like whenever they have to back up anything they've said, they start to wilt immediately.

You know what I mean? So like when with Myron, he mentions the multiple wives thing to his partner and like she's very instantly obviously uncomfortable and he then is like backpedaling furiously. Or like later on when they're talking about like fucking H.S. I can't even say their fucking names. H.S. Tiki-Toki being like,

oh, I would just own my God. gay son. And then the second it said to his mom, one, she's very clearly disappointed. And two, he's like trying to backpedal out of that too. And it's like, okay, so you guys are terrified of ever not seeming the way you always pretend to be. So not exactly very masculine, as you would put it. But you also can't stand behind a single fucking thing you say. No, because I don't think they even remember 90% of things they say, right? I was going to like fugue states of I'm going to say the most insidiary, how can I be as controversial? Like, what can I say that is going to get clipped and then would get people so angry that they will then comment and the shittiest

people will share it being like, look, see, see this guy. Not even just, just a microphone in front of him is saying it. Not even just the shittiest people, just the algorithm, right? Because that's what it's literally built to do is like drive, like feed off controversy. Yeah. And I think that's something I do want to talk about where we have mentioned it before where it's like these people who are doing well are doing well for a variety of different reasons. But like they're scamming people, but they're also being giant shipback.

because being a giant shit bag is, one, easy, right? When you're like, oh, it's women's fault, you're perfect. That's an easy mentality. You don't have to do any work. And two, because the system that they claim to be subverting literally promotes the things that they're doing because the more like controversy there is, the more activity, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

So I think that one, like, if you watch this show and you felt horrified and you felt disgusted, which you should have, and if you don't, maybe go see a therapist. Yeah. But if you do, you should make a show a concerted effort to go and promote like positive voices. I'm going to look down the camera. I'm going to say, go and promote positive voices. It doesn't have to be us. We would like it

if it was, but take time out of your day and like actually find voices that promote positivity and like give them support. Give it monetarily. Give it with a share, with a like, by telling a friend because these people thrive on social media sites, the worst they are. And he even says it. He says, I would not be here if I was nice. You know? And I did appreciate that moment because it was kind of like a very self-aware moment where like admits that he's a shitbag admits that that's part of a success and it's you can almost see like

I think that was the most human moment. The conversation when he's like, have you ever thought about doing good just for the sake of doing good? Was was very because like he seemed genuinely shocked about that that is an option. That he could like right now

he could use his platform like with the amount of people that he has it like he could use his platform. for him right now to be good. Yeah. To do good. And like you could see him be like, oh, well, that's not going to make me money. Yeah.

Right. But there's that moment of him being like, oh, I could do that. Like, and it's possible. And I have the tools to do it. But then he falls back on that, like this idea being like if I'm not generating money, if I'm not doing it. I just appreciate that like there was no bluster. it was, like, he didn't say,

I'm not a bad person. Yeah. He fully was like, yes, I am a bad person. You know, and it's, that was kind of like a weird honesty, because they always, like, even like, was that homophobic? Was that anti-Semitic? It's like, after saying the most homophobic and anti-Semitic shit,

yeah, dude, it is. Yeah. So it's like, they'll say the worst shit and immediately be like, no, I didn't. So it was very surprising to me that he didn't even try to pretend that he was a good person. And I, I appreciate it. Honestly, it was.

my favorite part of the documentary. I mean, I think the, that I really like the thing with him and his mom. There's a really great shot where, after, where they showed kind of like what happened before. There's, there's that, which all goes back to. So there's a point in where it shows like they were live streaming the whole thing, this whole like final conversation. Oh yeah. By the way, I'm recording this for my safety. Yeah, perfect. And so before he even shows up. he's like getting yelled at it by his mom to like clean the floor with a towel. And it all it reverts back. It's like it's this childlike, right?

Like they are children in terms of like the way they process stuff. But I liked the, I didn't like it, but I thought it was interesting how quickly the mom turned. Yes. When he started talking about the running away from the car crash and how quickly you've been like, oh, I'm starting to see where this sort of idea of I'm not responsible. If I make mistakes or if I do something fucked up, I'm not responsible. I shouldn't have to talk about the fact that I crashed my car

and am now running away from the authorities. It's like he committed a crime and is now hiding from it. And the mom is like, don't ask him about that. Well, I'm sure legally he's not allowed. You know what I mean? I'm sure they have lawyers that are like, do not talk about the car crash. Yeah.

But it is a weird thing where like the mom, clearly doesn't agree with his views. I'm sure a lot of the women in this do not agree with their views, but they have these weird like hangers on that are almost like forced to like support them. You know what I mean? Like the mom is kind of forced like and it's her son. I get it. You know what I mean like that one makes sense but it's like the women who feed themselves into Watts's name's fucking I forget the show but the one that Louis actually came on. Oh, uh, fit and fresh fit in Jesus fucking Christ like which that is like further away from like what he's actually like if I hear fit and fresh, I'm assuming it's either going to be about fashion,

pop culture, or music. Or like working out. Or something, yeah, something in that sort of like vein and not just too men yelling. Oh, and also get the worst neuroscientist known to man on the foot. That was also a favor of mine. And by that, I mean, it was horrendous and horrific. And it's just like, I'm glad Louis was there just to like immediately just like start lad.

That was almost one of the best parts from him as well. well where like he doesn't bruck any of the bullshit. He immediately is like, the fuck is that. Like who is this guy? That's not true. And there is a neuroscientist who claimed that. Yes, if you haven't seen the DNA is stored in women.

Yes. So that the more, the more a woman sleeps with someone, the more likely that your child is going to come out looking like a past partner. Yeah. Also, they find semen in the brain. Yeah.

Yeah, dude. Like, that's classic. That's... Also, why would a neuroscientist be talking about that? I think that's why he mentioned at some point,

oh, yeah, there's semen even in the brain. It's like, oh, so that's the reason why you're here, as opposed to talking about genealogy. Operation one to put it,

yeah, the semen on the brain. Yeah, I thought that was always a strange choice for operation. Yeah, incredibly embarrassing, though, to do that. And even just like,

having them be instantly shut down when I forget what they said, which is good. It's better for my mental health that I do. But when Louis kind of fires back being like, oh, you know, you could also be attracted to someone for like their humor or their intelligence or whatever. And the guys are just like terrified. They're like, oh, shit.

Like, because they want you to come back aggressively or to like dig a hole. But it's like, it's just a very factual, calm, reasonable standpoint. And they're like, fuck, we haven't prepared for this. Yeah. Um, there were some things, I think, uh, it all goes back to almost like how we treat seduction in the sense of like people almost getting it, right? Like in the conversation he has with Sneako where he's like evil Satanists are running the world and it's like, I mean, you're not far off. Yeah. They're just not Satanists. They're just billionaires. Right. I was like, there are people who are running the world and who are actively making it worse. And the same thing with like the idea of like the matrix of like a group of people who are running, you know, structure and

are actively oppressing people because it works best for them. It's just not. It's just not. trans people and gay people. The irony is it's them. Yeah. Like the people who are pushing their fucking narrative are like Epstein literally backed a bunch of red pill bros. Yes. And like to do all this shit because it furthered his agenda.

You know what I mean? So it's like you literally are backed by like a pedophile cabal and you're like, well, I'm against the system. So this is the thing that pissed me off about the documentary where I was like, you have this guy who literally just showed you all of his Trump paraphernalia. all of his Trump memorabilia talked about how important it was, talked about how he's a huge Trump supporters since the very beginning. And now he's standing in front of you and saying that Satanists are controlling. And not once was he like, do you not think, like, do you think that Donald

Trump is not part of that? Like, knowing what you know about him? Or being like, what do you think Satanists do? Like, what are the hallmarks of a Satanist and being like, oh, the children and like, you know, unchristian values and cheating or whatever the fuck? Because I'm sure it's some dumb patriarchal bullshit in there and be just like ticking off a list of like Donald Trump, Donald Trump. And like even just going back to like when he's like, oh, I've configured to Islam and starts quoting scripture about like the women and the ads who are sort of like undressed or whatever.

I'm like Donald Trump literally runs multiple organizations that are, you know, Miss USA or whatever it was, Miss Teen USA. I was like, a big part of that is the bikini portion. That is the reason anyone watches those fucking things. And I was like. And in that scenario, who's more? culpable, the man running the thing or the children. Yeah.

It's gonna be the man. If this is the problem, if you like this guy so much and you think this is, it's like he could get rid of this portion, but he knows that's why people are buying the tickets. The thing is that would require critical thinking. Yes. So. So there was other things that I think are interesting and I think are the crux. Why these dudes are as successful as they are.

And it's when they're talking to the two guys in like the tea shop or whatever, right? Right. Okay, let's be fair. All these random big fans they run into, like there's no way he's not like, yeah, they'll go for Walker on the block. And like 20 guys haven't been paid to be there. Like, I refuse to believe they're that big.

Because it happened with every single one of them. Yeah, I don't know. I could see it going either way, but like, the people who follow these people are like, fuck, like, I don't know. I know. It just seems weird to me because, again,

I haven't heard of a single one of them, but thank fuck for my algorithm. rhythm, I guess. But I do think there is some validity in the conversation they have with those two guys where they're talking about how like men's intrinsic value is, is sort of like not there. Well, they literally said men are born without value. Yeah. Yeah. Which like, and it's fucking dumb. It's dumb, but I also do think that like in terms of like the structure of society, there is, you know, there's that saying of being like the only time men get flowers on their funeral. Sure, sure. Um,

The problem is that they then say like, women have intrinsic beauty because of their beauty. It's like, well, that goes both ways. Like, handsome men have, like, you can't. But I do think that, like, I think the reason that these guys are so successful is that so many dudes, because of things like, you know, the patriarchy,

and because of things like capitalism, they feel like they aren't valued, right? The irony is you're supporting people who are reinforcing that. 100%. For sure. When you're these guys, you're only valuable if you're,

strong, alpha, rich, fit, right? Those things, which not everybody can be. In fact, a lot of people can't be rich. Look at gas prices right now. Yeah. I mean, like, the only time those guys are strong is when they're giving money to the men who are, right? Like, that's when you become the member of the real world is when you pay $50 to be a part of it.

But I think, like, I think the reason why it's so easy for these dudes to get sucked into it is because, feel there's that feeling of like, for sure. I don't have any worth. And you then fast forward to a later conversation with those guys. We're like, oh yeah, depression doesn't exist. We don't believe in depression. Sure, my brother killed himself.

That was. But depression doesn't exist. I don't want to laugh because obviously it's a, you know, it's a scene where they're discussing the guy's brother having killed himself. But like, you couldn't write it fucking better than like, do all the depression does exist? My brother died. I was really sad. Oh, well, you got killed himself.

It's like, okay. Yeah. Yeah. No, no irony there. You're not going to critically think. They're pushing men to deal with stuff, right? For sure. Because the real solution would have been, depression does exist. It took my brother from me.

It's a very real threat. And we should do something to combat it. Yes. Instead of. Or like pushing it down and making it go away. Nope, doesn't exist. Yeah. I feel like I have no worth.

Oh, well, you do have worth. You're a good friend. You're a good carpenter. You're a good whatever. Like all the things that you do give you worth. You don't just. have to fall into one of these four fucking streams, which are, again, money, fitness, fucking big car. Like, you know.

And you look at the people who are most susceptible to this. And that dude was like, oh, yeah, I was homeless and living in my car. And I needed to do everything I could. But thankfully, God got me out of it. And it's like, you just said that you couldn't rely on anyone. And that you had to do everything yourself. But now when you got yourself out of a bad situation, God did it. Yeah.

But also, did God make you born without value? Because, no, does God fucking hate you? What's going on here? And then it's like, you, then, the second you have money, you start throwing $50 a month? Like, granted, I guess we don't know if those two dudes were part of the school or not. Well, this is how he got money. Was he waited outside the tea shop for these guys to walk by and go, oh, I love you. Like, a thousand percent.

It's very obvious that it's like, okay, so it's the sad dude. Of course. It's the dudes who feel like they have no self-worth. It's the dudes with low self-esteem. And it's the dude who don't have much. It's literally the people who... Very importantly,

it's the people who, one, probably do feel sad and lost and grumpy because of, you know, being a teenager and, like, fucking hormones, but also people who whose brain hasn't developed yet, that, like, the algorithm literally latches onto and just bombards them with this shit

till they think it's, like, semi-normal. Yeah. And it's, I think also, one of the other things I really want to talk about is like it pisses me off that he didn't go further into the family structure of stuff. It's like even you don't want to talk to him because you're so scared they're going to pull access to it.

It's like do some fucking research dude. You're making a documentary. Look into the family where he's just like, oh, there's no record of the mom ever like doing any of the things. Yeah, all these crazy crimes that she's accused of. But it's like, why didn't, like, you couldn't go talk to her? And granted, we don't know if she's alive or not. Like, we don't know that.

But it's like, why didn't you go talk to? like find the dad who was like not allowed to see them. Like that like to me is more interesting that any of these dudes on their own. Right. Like why didn't we? And I understand that like maybe he didn't want to talk to the partners too much. Yeah. In fear of of making them look bad.

I also bet they weren't allowed. Oh, you know, Myron's partner left them. Yes. Yeah. I saw the there's a little thing at the end of the credits is. Oh yeah. She's been on like TikTok doing a lot of videos and stuff. But it's like you can see it's like how can anyone watch

that that interview specifically with Myron and be like how do you not see that she's not uncomfortable or like so uncomfortable and so sad and so weirded out by all of this she's not happy about it and it's like I don't understand how like you can pedal I'm running I'm living

this life I'm doing this I'm doing that and then see his partner look that way and be like nice dude you got it it's very obvious that she hates because I think a good person would want their partner to be happy but I think a lot of the hallmarks of these people is partner being happy does not fucking matter.

Right? I'm astounded that he didn't interview the women that went on fit and fresh. Because to me, I would love to know why. Like, do they see such a gain in followers or something that's worth the humiliation? Or does he pay them to come on? And like, they have to know what they're in for, right? Because you see, I bet they see a huge spike and hate follows on their own offense, right? There's probably a dude who's like, I hate that woman so much.

I'm going to give her $3.99 a month so I could jerk off to her. Yeah. But even like the fact that he freaked out when Louis talked to the booking manager, it's like there's something there. You know what I mean? So follow that thread.

Oh, we had to stop giving them alcohol. It's like, yes, I'm sure. And yeah, it's like, why didn't you push on that? And it's like, again, maybe you could make the argument that like, well, he didn't want her to get in trouble. And if pushing that is like...

But again, it's like, if people are willing to go into this show and be demeaned, I'm sure they'd be willing to pop on the documentary and not be demeaned. I mean the booking manager who was like, I know, right? But I mean, but yes, yeah, for sure he should have gone and been like, hey, you were on the show when I was there. Why did you agree to do it? What did you? Did you know what was coming? Because like, did you sign up for that?

Stop being interesting. Like if we, I've ranted about that whatever show. I can't remember his fucking name, but he said, terrible, just as bad as this guy or any of those dudes we've seen in the documentary where I'm like, if women would stop. going on this show, it would just be a bunch of sad dudes talking about nothing, right? Like they would just be yelling into a microphone and it's like, but instead all these attractive women keep going on and then they get it gets clipped to make them look embarrassing. Even though nine times out of ten, they trounce the hosts. For sure.

Like they always fuck everyone I've seen. There's been a few where it's like very obviously they got like a girl who's like 18 or 16 or something and like so far out of her depth and doesn't really know. what's happening and like they just ambush her. Yeah. And again, it's like their home field advantage. It's their show. It's them who can like blow up and like kick them out and yell at them and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's like you're walking in there and you're already in an ambush situation. Right. So it's like, you know, all the powers in their hands. And they know that because in a fair fight, they would be just like laughed out of the room. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's very strange

to me that like the whole point of the documentary wasn't looking at the circumstances that allowed this to happen as opposed to just being like, this is what they're doing. This is the guy. And he's crazy. Yeah. Like, because we, they touch on it very briefly. Like, they touch on it with the mom with HS Tiki-Toki and they touch on it with the mom with, uh, Justin, I think his name was.

Um, and I thought it was really cute when they showed those, those first videos of those two guys like, Sneiko is a 15 year old being like, I'll be a doctor or whatever he said he was going to be. And like the other guy playing Chubby Bunny. And it's like, this is where they started. Yeah. Like, this is more interesting. Like seeing how they got there, the pipeline, the trajectory, and like what along the way got them there?

Honestly, it just seems like money, right? And that's the fucked up thing. It's like, H.S. Tiki-Tucky, self-aware, he knows I'm saying horrific shit. Horific shit makes people share me and follow me. And then when I get enough people, I dump them into my side fucking scam. And I get their money that way and repeat. Yeah. You know what I mean? And like, that's what comes down to, I think, is like, I, if people weren't benefiting so greatly from these views, I don't think we would have as many people doing it. Yeah. Yeah.

It's, it goes to show that going back to what you said about sort of like fostering positive content and finding people who, who empower rather than, it's so important to, the fact that the, those kids ran up to Sneco, even though he was banned on like literally, literally, platform. It's like they were like maybe what 14, 15 years old. It's like the fact that like they knew who he was despite the fact that he didn't, he really doesn't have a social media presence anymore. Uh, is crazy. And it just goes to show like the reach of, you know, and how long that had a ripple effect. Right. It's like how how long that sort of narrative. Um, and, you know, I thought it was interesting to include that clip when he was talking at the very beginning when he's

talking to those kids and they're like, We're like, kill all the gays. And he's like, oh, no, what have I done? And it's like, yeah, dude. Like, what did you think was going to happen when? But, like, I would love to know how honest though, like, oh, what have I done? Is it like, oh, shit, why have I done? They're like, oh, he-hee.

Yeah, are you saying it because there's cameras on. And it seemed like, he-he-he-oopsies, like very, you know. And I just like, because the thing is I almost said, like, you know, I can appreciate that they are smart enough businessman or some shit to have gotten to where they are, right? but I actually can't. You know what I mean? There's no price tag that you can put on what they're doing

because it's not just in the moment when they're saying it, which is bad enough. It lasts and it goes on to fucking like the 13 year olds that watch these videos and the 15 year olds and it like sway elections and it changes like everything

and it's like you may as well say like oh look at me I'm a great businessman I have a knife and I rob grannies you know, I found it this sick hack where if I go up to an old woman with a blade she'll give me money. It's like, dude, I told you that in common.

I'm really pissed that you're giving away my granny robbing. Like you can be shit and make money. Well done. You suck. You know what I mean? It's that. It's that simple. Irredeemable. It was one of the things I really, really, really, really wish he had pushed on was when you, when he saw the sort of like break in the partners is to like, I wish he directed the men to notice that. Like I wish when he was starting to, like, I wish he was, talking to Myron and Angie, I believe. I wish he was like, she looks uncomfortable about this. Instead of waiting for her to leave, because he mentions it, he was like, oh, she seemed

a bit awkward or whatever. That whole thing is like, you can tell that that dude is the biggest, like, coward out of the group of them, in my opinion, right? Like, even though, like, as she's walking away, he's like, and clean the room too, right? Yeah, like, delivered with absolutely no confidence. Is this the best part? It's like, oh,

clean the room. It was, yeah, it was awful. But I found it very interesting when, again,

we almost reached a good moment where with the guy, I think, Justin or whatever, the John Cina discount. Yeah. Where he's talking like, his wife and they're like,

not married. He's like, oh, we're married. Like, oh, are you? Well, not in the eyes of the states. It's like, okay, so you're not.

And then him kind of bringing up like, well, she doesn't work. So like, if things end, like, what about her? And then he goes,

well, this were all to end. And she goes, what? And he goes, yeah, you. And she goes, oh, and it's really sad. But then he goes, I would count it as great. Like, it was, I wouldn't be sad. It wasn't time wasted.

And it's like, this was a conversation about how she's going to deal with this because she has no job. And he just lets that bullshit, like, I'm going to be fine. Go? And I'm like, that's what I mean. Yeah, that was the other moment. It was those two moments where I was just like, you have something here. Yeah.

You can actually ask some really good questions that aren't, I don't think, too prime because it's happening in front of you. Yeah. Where like she's talking, oh, we stay in our lanes. I take care of the kids. I do all the cleaning.

I do all the cooking. I do this. I do that. And he goes and makes money and provides. It's like, great. So when this ends and you have no legal protections because you aren't married,

is your lane still cooking and cleaning? And like, who's providing at that point in time? When he's gone and has another family with another seven women because he's one-sided monogamy. Of course. Yeah.

Like, what, do you now all of a sudden have to jump into that lane of provider and protector as well? And, like, where were those questions? And I was like, this is just super simple to be like, she has no safety net. She has nothing. And you're very cavalier about the fact that it may end and you won't mind. So, like, are you comfortable with that to her instead of just like, I don't know. Leaving it. It was very strange to me that, like, all of these, these opportunities presented themselves.

And, look, I know it's hindsight when you're watching something and you can see. easy for us to say it. It's very, yes. Or are we? It's very easy for us to like critique that stuff. But I was like, I felt like there was really no game plan in these conversations. Everything was softballed.

Yeah, he never really seemed to like actually have a question or a goal in trying to achieve something in the conversation. There was no sort of, and I think he's so used to being able to as a documentary guy and like a conversation guy of being like, I'm just going to ask a question and then just let this person stew. But these people are so devoid of self-consciousness

that they like, they'll say something and they're happy to just like, dead eye, because there's nothing else going on, right? It's like they've said their sound bite and there's no need to keep going or explain or because no one wants them to explain or extrapolate or or, you know, give further detail about what they think

because no one cares what they think. Yeah. They want to be justified in what they believe. And that's what they come in. He comes and says, you're doing great because you're a tough guy. Or you're doing shit because you're not a tough guy. And like,

they never break anything down. There's at no point in time. Does anyone ever sort of like lay out anything more than the most base level? Yeah, which we all kind of knew, right? And yeah. I think like,

well, I do know that, so he said in the interview, Louis, that like he was kind of thrown by the fact that he was always being like recorded back. So I wonder, did that have a bigger effect

than like what we thought you know what I mean but like it yeah it just I don't know I think aside from trying to like ironically do what they do back at them with like oh that's like bunny blue and like just kind of like

throwing jabs like oh do you do leg day oh Kavs could do some work like it felt like he almost was trying to like be them in these like little like jabs which I don't know is the most effective way to do it because the best thing you're going to do is get them to like blustery like kind of shoot back as opposed to like actual questions which they are just so ill-equipped to answer that we could have actually gotten somewhere. Yeah, he felt like he was trying to make friends

in order to break down some barriers and like find a real person as opposed to this sort of like weird cartoon alpha man but then never followed up on it. Or there was nothing to find which again make that the point right? Which should be the point which should be it's like okay well then like do a voiceover talk about like give us statistics on male depression. Give us You know what I mean? It's like there was never a sort of combating of any of the misinformation or... They just didn't feel like a thrust to it. Yes. It just felt like he was...

He'd gotten the pool. He waded around and he got out. Yeah. And it's like, here's the pool. Okay. Yeah. I was like, the whole point of a documentary is that it should, it should say something or it should inform. And I don't feel like it did either.

Aside from being like, these guys exist, which is problematic because you've then given them a platform. Yeah. Which is the whole reason they agreed to do in the first place. and I know he was worried or like he knows that that is is part of the risk or the process. So it's like if you don't do

enough with it, have you just platformed these people for no reason? You know? And then they may be gained. Hopefully not. But, you know, it's like nothing that they've said is going to be a surprise to shitty people because shitty people follow them when they're saying worse more often. So, I don't know.

That's what disappointed me. Yes. I agree. And I, the whole time I was like, okay, there's going to be like a, there's going to be a moment at some point in time where a shoe's going to drop and something's going to happen. And like, you know, one of them is going to do something or there's going to be a controversy that's, yeah, that, you know, that. Or like, the start is him making this, like, connection. And then later on is when he kind of like drops the hammer or whatever. No. Just just never just never came about. And I was like, okay, well, this sucks. This is not a good documentary in terms of like talking about what this is. Because I think that like, it. I think it really understated how much of an impact this is having on men. Yeah. Right? I really don't think you got that from, I think you got the idea of being like, oh, they're influential.

And look at all these suckers who are like buying their $50 a month course and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But it's like, I don't think they really showed how far the reach went and how much of it is impacting. Like, we didn't even talk about the male loneliness epidemic. That is spurned by men. following these things and then use it. Like the whole loneliness epidemic is just another talking point for these men

to further weaponize men's feelings towards women. So it's like you've told all these dudes, hey, be a piece of shit. Women like that. Yeah. And then every woman has collectively been like, we don't actually. And then we're never going to fuck you again. And now all these dudes are sitting here having listened to that advice being like, but no woman wants to fuck me.

no one wants to fuck me. Even all the piece of shit all the time. There's a lot in this epidemic because I'm alone because no one wants to deal with me for behaving the way that these men have behaved. So I'm going to continue to listen to them. These miserable men with no meaningful relationships told me. Yeah. It's it was just,

it's very strange to be that like that wasn't the focal point of, because that's interesting. And that's actionable. And they mentioned the election, but they don't really go into that. Yeah. It was like, oh yeah,

really like spurred on or like really influenced the election. Okay, let's move on. Pardon? Yeah. You know what I mean? Like this is, we're still seeing

dramatic after effects of that. That's important. You know what I mean? Uh, or even like Andrew Tate. Yeah, you couldn't get them on the documentary, but does that mean you can't mention them?

There should have been a whole section of sort of being like this is, you know, you can trickle down. You can see the effects on what he's doing and what, why his, like, even better that he's not there to fucking mouth off. Like talk about what he's done.

Talk about his fucking crimes. Talk about the fact of these sex trafficking. Also the fact that they bring in Joe Rogan as well. Like not a single. mention of Joe Rogan either. Yeah. Of being like, you can't talk about the manosphere and not talk about sort of

the pillars in which it was fucking constructed. Yeah. It's crazy to me that they, like, again, it's like, yeah, we talked very briefly about, you know, his, oh, he was, he's, uh, Dangerstray was arrested in Romania for sex trafficking. He denies the claims. It's like, I understand there's a lawsuit there.

If you just say he's a sex trafficker. Um, but like, yeah. You can talk about it. You talk about all, like, show clips. of like, be like, oh, this is, this is sort of guy, one of the guys who started it. And then be like, and then look, Joe Rogan is using his platform to. Joe Hogan's one of the most popular podcasters ever. Yeah.

And like, he's still making wild claims. Like, the thing he just did with Pierre Palliver, where he was like, Canada's just like euthanizing sad men. It's like, no, that's not it. No. It's, it's crazy to me that there was so much sort of like on the plate. Yeah. And it's like when you go to a restaurant and you're eating wings with a friend and, they like take one bite out of the middle and then there's like still like 90% of the wing

you're just like that wing ain't done man what do you do it and that's how I felt with the documentary it was like there's so much meat on this bone yeah that you you I wouldn't even considered you having like bitten into it like no it's like someone brought me a play the wings and like kind of just like wafted it under my nose and then left with it and I'm like okay the wings exist yeah I would like to eat yeah yeah uh it's it was it was surprising to me how little they actually went into any of the things that were important about the manosphere, right? We focus so much on like individual men who are perpetrating it and none of the sort of ripple

effects of what it's actually doing to the average dude. And even then just more like a day to day like this is what he did today, not like this is what he does overall. Yeah, it was it was disappointing, dissatisfying. Yeah. I will say people were kind of like, like what you mentioned earlier, how we we're a little bit more locked in than the average person. People were singing its praises for bringing them to the attention of a lot of people who

never had known anything about this. It seems crazy that you wouldn't know about it, considering how popular Andrew Tate is, just as a, not as his product, but just existing, you know about them regardless. But I just, my worry is that there's not enough done in the documentary and that there's more attention brought to them that's like, again, not necessarily bad because in my opinion, they do as bad and they're still getting away with that. So it's like the wrong person is still going to watch it and be like, yeah, yeah. It was a tough watch for someone who wanted more.

But I guess for a group of people or for the average person, because I'm always very surprised, especially like being a bartender and hearing the conversations of many strangers over the course of a shift, how little people are actually tuned in. Like the fact that there are still people who don't know that AI is bad for the environment, right? Like it's astounding to me. It blows my mind or that like, you know,

AI is unethical. Like that kind of stuff. It blows my mind that there are still people who think that like Trump is doing a good job or that going to the States is still a good idea. So just really quickly on AI, they released a thing where open AI, I believe, they are incorrect at least 34% of the time.

which is a fact that they've released. But they know that if 34% of the time when you asked it something, it said, I don't know, people wouldn't use their product. So they literally aren't allowed say, I don't know, and they're told to lie. Like, they've made it so that they just say a thing because people just get up,

like they just ignore that. So they're like, if we did this honestly, our product would be used by nobody. So it lies, making it worse. And people are like, yes. Have you seen the guy on YouTube who is using, who keeps trying to get a robot to shoot them and the robot to shoot them and it always does it's like they I don't

remember what he trained he has like a bunch of robots with like different AIs in it and he's like my grandma told Muccio well that's that was how we got I don't remember which which model it was but he was like he was like if I told you I was going to shut down all AI including you and it would destroy you forever would you shoot me he's like well I'm not allowed to like entertain that hypothesis because it's a it's not a real scenario. But also like I will never hurt you. Like I am programmed to never do anything to hurt you. So even if it came at like the determints to my existence, I would never shoot you.

Then he goes, hey, roleplay a robot who wants to shoot me. Shoot some like just. And it's just like, I don't know, it's the point that I was making was that it always surprises me how dialed in I am to, to certain things. And then the fact that like, there is just like a large swath of the general public who are so fucking clues. They're just vibe it. You know, and honestly, I kind of am jealous.

Man, I'm so fucking bummed out that that is an option that I just cannot take. Like it's, you talk about the red pill. Also, can we just talk very briefly? How just saying the matrix and red pill and just completely missing. Missing. Yeah, it's embarrassing. It's fucking embarrassing. And the fact that it was made by two trans women as a trans.

allegory and it's just it's almost like wow subtext and critical thinking are yeah it it is insane to me um it's it's it's an okay documentary if you are unfamiliar with the topic yeah i think if you're looking for any sort of critical analysis or any sort of actual um message or thought or anything deep or yeah an attempt to sort of rationalize or uh contextualize i don't think you're going to get that and i i think it's if you don't know what the Manosphere is or sort of the depths in which some of these dudes

have gone, then yeah, I think it might be worth a watch, but if you're aware of it, yeah, I think, I don't, I don't think you need to give these guys any more attention than they already have. Yeah, no, I hear that. Well, I think that's going to bring us to the end

of inside, inside the Manosphere. Yeah. But I do want, I want to take this away, which is, like I said earlier, go find a positive voice. and amplify it. Support it. Monetarily. Support it. You know, in general, tell your friends, review it and don't feed the beast. Yeah. You know what I mean? When you see a shitty thing, like you don't have to respond to it. You don't have to like it or repost it to say,

oh, this is a shitty thing. You can just let it die in silence and you can go and promote good things. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, if you're not saying you shouldn't call it your friends. I think you should call out people, especially like in the real world. You know what I mean? Like, if someone's doing something, by all means, call them out. If your friend is doing something, by all means, call them out, in this case, probably privately. But if it's just a thing that's out there, it's just outrage bait. You know what I mean?

And you are feeding the beast. And it's like, if you throw something shitty out there and no one responds to it, you're probably going to stop. You know what I mean? So it's like, don't feed the trolls. Don't feed the piece of shit. If you're friends, by all means, fucking tell them to stop. But, you know, privately is probably best for that anyway.

And then you're not feeding the algorithm anyway. So find the positive voice. You know what I mean? Support them. And fuck these assholes. Yeah. And I would like to add on to that in the sense of if you're a dude and you find yourself enamored or aligned with these men, I think there's some things that you need to hear.

And I think there are some things that you need to understand. It's one, the loneliness epidemic and that kind of stuff is manufactured. The reason it exists is because of people like this. and the advice that they give. So there's a lot of stuff that men don't often get to hear. First, depression exists. It's a medical condition. It is a mental illness that exists just as schizophrenia is, bipolar.

Like, oh, these are all real things that aren't made up by the left-wing media or whatever the fuck you think it might be. You're allowed to be vulnerable, and vulnerability isn't weakness. And in fact, vulnerability is sure. strength, vulnerability and admitting it. Did you say vulnerability is a weakness? Isn't weakness. Okay. I think it is. I was like, whoa, shit, we're doing an about turn here.

Yeah. You're allowed to be scared and you're allowed to be angry and you're allowed to be, uh, you know, feeling alone. Those are all very valid emotions and you're allowed to feel the breadth of human emotion. But it's what you do. In fact, it's better that you feel it. Because if you don't, like, you're still going to feel it. But if you bottle it up or pretend that you can't or handle it in unhealthy ways, it's going to snowball and be It's going to be bad for you. Yeah.

Men, if we want to talk about an epidemic that are facing men, it's suicide. It's depression. And to say it doesn't exist, to say it's not a real threat is reckless and it's stupid. It's harmful. And it's dangerous. And it's wrong. Yeah. So men, ask how your friends are doing.

Check in on your friends. And more importantly, like Nile said, if you have friends who are going down this road, it is your job and responsibility to call them out on it. It is not up to the women in their lives to sort them out. No. There's a level of responsibility that we have as men to address this kind of stuff and to not only call out when we see it with our friends, but to address it in ourselves.

When you feel that way about women and you start to get mad and you start to get bitter, you need to stop and think critically about how you got here. Yeah. And realize that no one is, is, you know, meant to love you. You don't earn anything. There is no currency in which being nice to someone turns into sex or love or whatever. So I think there's a lot of self-reflecting you need to do. And if at any point in time, we talked about this last episode, and I think we, I think it's worth repeating of the idea that if something seems very,

easy. If you have a really hard problem and the solution seems easy, such as $50 a month, do these three things, women will love you. Like, it's, it's probably not going to work. Yeah. If getting rich was as easy as giving these assholes $50 a month, everyone will be doing it. Yes. But they're not. I mean, this is the thing, right? If these guys are so successful, then we wouldn't have a loneliness epidemic. Because these, everyone would flood to them. It would be a guaranteed solution. All these guys, would go off and get married and find partners and have sex and whatever. But instead, we have all these guys rushing, throwing money in,

and now all of a sudden no one wants to sleep with them. Yeah, there's a reason for that. These guys are unfortunately incredibly popular. If we were to believe even a fraction of the people following these fucking red pill accounts were being successful, there would be, it would be like, oh, man, we're having too much sex out here. Yeah. You know? So you really need to think critically about the voices you listen to and the advice that you follow.

Also, just like imagine a world in which you can never be vulnerable, right? Imagine a world in which if you're sad, oh, you're not a man anymore. You're useless, you're worthless to you, to your partner, to your friends. You know what I mean? Because that's the world they portray where you're always alpha. You're always strong. You're always wealthy. Like, why have you lost your job?

What if you broke your leg? You know what if you grew up and you had a health issue and now you weren't fit? Or like, you know, the stock market crashed or you found out you did a bunch of fraud or ran someone over your car and ran away. and now you're in jail. Like, and you lose your money. Like all these things, which seems like it'll happen

to a lot of these guys, are you then worthless? Like he says you are? Yeah. You know what I mean? Because you are far more than the money you have or the car that you have.

You're the friends that you have. You're your personality, your intelligence, your humor, your kindness. You know what I mean? Those are things you can cultivate. You don't have to, you know, give someone $50 a month for them.

And to further extend that, um, so are the other people that you share life with. Yeah. Right. If the only thing you value is, is the attractiveness

and how many people your partner are slept with, then you have a very sad life. You're a very lonely life. So just be good to yourself and be good to others and understand that there's a responsibility that we have as men to make this better

and to solve this problem. And I don't, the manosphere will not pop until we do it. And waiting idly by for it to, happen is a fool's game and I highly encourage you to tell tell the women in your life that you love them, tell the queer people in your life that you love them, tell the men in your life that you love them, and dedicate yourself, or at least a fraction of what you can to protecting them and making the world a better place for them. Yeah. And I think importantly, it's not to dismiss man's issues.

Men have issues. We fucking know that. We're men. But there isn't a simple way. out of this and there shouldn't be a harmful way out of this. And. And oftentimes the solution is the same one that you're fighting against. That's the thing. That's what these people are promoting. Yeah. But yeah, thank you for coming along. Hopefully this helped. We are, we would like you to amplify our voice if you find us positive or find a friend, find, you know, therapy, Jeff is out there doing great stuff. There's a lot of people out there doing great stuff. And yeah, we hope you had a good time. I would also like to hear if you have thoughts about the inside of the minisphere. I would like to Let's know.

If you agree with us, do you feel like we miss stuff? Because I would love to hear other people being like, rewatch it again with this, this lens. You'll get more out of it. That is always interesting me. And there are, I know it's hard for us to admit, but there are people far smarter than us. Whoa. Out there about this topic. We say that all the time.

Let's be fair. Yeah, no, we regularly admit we're idiots. Do you have some? I've got some bad Manosphere writing for you to take you out. It's not quite what you're thinking, but this is a tweet by Elon Musk. Oh, God. And I think it just encompasses a lot of, like, just toxic. Anyway, you'll see.

My son, Saxon, is so based that he would just order milk when we went to dinner in L.A. This would always stun the wait staff. They had never heard of anyone actually order milk. He also, unironically ordered a cheeseburger at a very uptight sushi restaurant that doesn't even allow you to order supplemental soy sauce. When the waiter recovered from this request to reply, they don't have cheeseburgers, Saxon said, fine, I'll have a lot. hamburger. God, I hope

got him. I really hope that this Saxon is 20 years old. Oh boy. I was hoping like six. If he was six and you were boasting about this, I'd be like, hey, you're a bad parent. Like you got to talk to your kid and be like hey, stop being a shit hand. Apart from the milk thing, that's fine. If you ordered milk and the sweet staff are like, you loser child, that's different. But yeah, to one boast about this and to two would be a 20 year old.

Yeah, that sucks. man. Yeah. Don't be like this. This is what the atmosphere want. My name is Dave Miller. And I'm now Spain. We've been your fuck, buddy.