F*ck Buddies: A Sex and Dating Advice Podcast - Return of the Emotional Rollercoaster

Episode Date: July 13, 2026

The emotional rollercoaster is a real emotional rollercoaster. Topics include John Cena's check in lessons, my boyfriend's AI clone, unrequited crushes, let's just be friends (after sex), first date expectations.Support the show on Patreon! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello friends. My name is Day Miller. And I'm Nile Spain and we are your fuck buddies. We're a sex and dating advice podcast where we take your sticky, sexy situations and turn them into sexy sticky situation. There are questions out there on the internet. We find them, we hunt them down, we answer them for you. There are also questions in your mind and you can send them to us and then they'll be on the show and in your mind and answered. That's true. Every Monday. I realize that we never give our email address. We never tell people how to do that. True. You can go to our website and you can go to our website. site at fbodiespodcast.com, click the contact form. You can choose your agent name, which is like your

secret handle. That way, you know, we keep it anonymous. Or you can email us at FBuddiespodcast at gmail.com. And once again, we'll either assign you an agent name or you can give yourself an agent name, which is like your secret code name. Again, we never reveal identities. It is a completely anonymous process. And we would love to answer your questions. Yeah. It was kind of a puzzle that I had for you all to figure it out. But Dane ruined it by just telling you. So I guess we'll just take questions from anybody. Well, this week, Dan, guess what we're going to talk about?

We're going to talk about boyfriend cloned himself on chat GPT and used it to make all his decisions. How do I do? How to deal with unrequited crushes? Guy with experience, please help. How the fuck am I getting friends owned by cute or hotter girls after sex? Being unrealistic about first dates. This is by Depended Evening 8289. Hold on.

Before we get right into a question, have you seen the. interview with John Sina, Pete Davidson. Talking the interview, the movie with Kim Jong-un and James Franco. It was very clear. It was John Sina and, yeah, but I wanted to make the joke and I was kind enough to let you finish and you kind of like took the wind out of myself. So I rudely decided. Oh, that hilarious joke in which you just refer to a movie that does exist.

Yeah, exactly. No, I have not. Why would I see that? And what is the point of it? Hit me. Well, it's Pete Davidson's show where he interviewed. interviews people, which is like, okay, whatever. But there's an episode where he's talking to, John Sina.

And as you know, big John Sina fan. I like what he puts out. I like who he seems to be as a person. And we live in terror that he's worse than he seems. Well, I don't know because every time I see him, he does something new and impressive that I like. So in this interview, they're talking about how John Sina has done like an obscene amount of make a wish granting.

And Pete Davidson sent something along the line. of like, oh, I've only done one and it really fucked me up when I did it. And very earnestly, John Cena looks at him and says, talk about that. And then Pete Davidson tells the story, I rather like emotional and vulnerable story. I won't get into it because that's not what I really thought was interesting. But John Cena, as the guest of this talk show, then proceeds to listen to this whole story, right? And like really takes it in, really listens and really is engaged in it. Doesn't try to like crack jokes, doesn't try to, you know, intersperse his own.

It would be wild to crack jokes at a I got really fucked up by doing the one make a wish thing I did. That would be a bad time to be cracking jokes. But I think people who go on a comedian's talk show would feel and especially men who typically like being vulnerable, yeah, want to want to like distance themselves from oh no, this is getting real and we're talking about emotions and it's making me feel things. I thought it was just a really interesting moment and like John Cena is getting his, his applause and I think it's worth mentioning. You know, like the idea of like something as simple as talk about that is a very great like example of positive masculinity and also a way for men to interact with other men in in a means to get them to talk about things that matter. Right. So like when your friend says something along the lines of I had a really bad day or you know this whatever I'm dealing with really sucks. Having someone then give you permission and open the door and say, hey, like talk about that as opposed to just being like that sucks.

sucks or crack a joke or, you know, take a step back or whatever, right? I thought it was really interesting. I thought it was, sorry, go ahead. Sorry, just like, it's a very vulnerable thing to bring up, like, especially as a guy, like, oh, I'm having a bad time or like I'm struggling or I'm dealing with that. And it's like, if you hear somebody bring something like that up and don't be there for that person and show that you care. If you just like, oh, that sucks.

That's not enough. And anything even below that, like, as Dane said, like cracking a joke or being like, oh, yeah, you're having a bad time again or something like that. It fucking sucks because it is hard to make yourself admit like things like that because you feel weak as a guy and whatever. And it's like to be able to like have the bravery to step forward and do that just to have that like shot down. It just sucks. It's a really bad feeling. So if your friends tell you that they're struggling or that they're feeling vulnerable or whatever, like please honor that.

Like be there for them. Like spend time. It's not hard. Right. It's like you've had shitty things happen to you, I'm sure. So it's like you empathize. you get it, just be there for them. See if they're okay. Yeah. And like another part of the thing that I thought was really interesting was like, John Steyl just listens. It's not like he tries to fix the

problem. It's not like he tries to whatever, right? Like he doesn't, he doesn't solve this emotional trauma that Pete Davidson has gone through. He just says like, yeah, like all that makes sense. Like I understand what that means. And it just, it was a really good sort of snapshot glimpse of if you're ever confused as to like what people are talking about when they talk about positive masculinity and being vulnerable, being open. But like, and in your head, it's, you know, oh, it's girl stuff. It's, it's not manly. It's not whatever. Here's a great example of two rather manly guys having a very vulnerable conversation in a way that like I don't think exudes anything other than masculinity. And I'm trying to say it in a way that like, I'm not

trying to encourage these conversations only through macho speak, right? But I want to say that these conversations can be done in a way that aligns with sort of the typical idea of masculinity and quite easily. The irony is it's like typical, you know, stereotypical masculinity is like being like the trailblazer being the whatever and it's like and being brave and being strong and like all this shit. And it's like if you really wanted to look into that, all the things that positive masculinity is are those things because it's it's not commonly hailed as like normal and acceptable by society and other men. So that's fucking balzy and badass as fuck if you're the one doing it. So it's so funny that, you know, people will be like, oh, he's wearing fucking nail polish walking down the street.

Yeah, that's badass as fuck. You'd be way too scared to do that because that's tough. And that's, you know, a risk. And it's them standing up for what they believe, as opposed to you who are too scared to get a girly glass. Oh, very madly. I was just find that such a funny like dichotomy of like, I'm so manly. I'm terrified to drink from a straw. I mean, I can't use an umbrella.

I mean, yeah, like the whole idea of like this, this, you know, where people like, remember when men dressed like this. And then it's just like a guy in a three piece like wool suit. It's like, hey, yeah. You know what also wasn't exactly around back then? 45 degree heat. Summers were still comfortable. They were warm. But also like, I'm sorry, you think that is like the definition of manliness when like you can look at Bruce Springsteen and a leather jacket and jeans.

You know, like Bruce Springsteen's fucking cool. I think Bon Jovi's fucking cool. Or you could look at Tom Holland in drag doing fucking like umbrella umbrella. Yeah. Like it's wild to me that people can't look at like a well-dressed man. Like, you know, every now and then a pitcher Idris Elvo will come across my thing. And he's just dressed like incredibly, very, very sharply. I'm like, how is that any more or less of them?

Like, you know, he's wearing the hell out of those fucking trousers and sweater or whatever. My favorite thing is people objecting to shorts. Like, guys, global warming. Hey, look, in a world, I hate shorts. I hate wearing shorts. I don't like wearing shorts. If I could live in a world where I could be comfortable in jeans or a nice pant, I would be in that world immediately.

I would be the first adopter of it. But you know what? The idea of being in any sort of long pants situation in any sort of heat makes me want to throw myself off a bridge. We should wear full suit for next recording in this 40 degree heat. I would actually probably. like, if I would say maybe about 10 minutes in, I would be so hostile to every idea, every setup that you give me, every question you ask, I will be so hostile to. We should check whether we're chiller in the winter. Like, are we nicer to question askers? We're like, yeah, whatever. I'm not dying right now, as opposed to right now where I do want to claw my skin off and roll around on the nice. I don't know, because I feel like seasonal depressy sneaks in. Maybe it's just fine. All is where we're kind.

And these days it's only a week. All right. Ready for a question? Yeah. This is by dependent evening, 82, 89. Boyfriend, 27, male, cloned himself on chat GPT and used it to make all his decisions. What do I, 24-year-old female, even do in this situation? When seeing him three months, and honestly, he's super normal as normal friends.

I didn't notice anything weird at first, except he is on his phone a decent bit. It was only recently we went to play pickleball for the first time. I thought it was weird. Asked him what the rules were. And he's like, I don't know. Let me ask Chachy-PT. And I was like, why? just Google it.

And he asked it anyway and showed me what said. And then he noticed all these other chats on the side. And it was personal stuff like his work, his friends. One chat was literally called friend dilemma or something. And then money stuff. I asked him what they were. He seemed slightly embarrassed but told me he basically given all his personal information like job, family, friends, me, hobbies, his entire life from childhood to now. So it can make his decisions for him.

I'm not super against AI or anything. I was taking aback because like, why? The thing is when he started seeing each other, I didn't think his messages were AI or anything. it was awkward but relatively normal. And he has a pretty normal life and isn't super introverted. I'm so confused. Other than this, we don't really have any problems. He's super sweet and engaging, but I'm starting to wonder like to what extent this would go.

I see the chats and he let me after some convincing and I don't know. It's weird stuff. It's rather invasive. He asks what kind of dates you should take me on, what kind of gifts. He put all my interests in there so we can tell him what you should give me and I'm like, dude, you could just Google it. Responses are also super generic. Any advice? I told him I wasn't comfortable with having my information, but he said it was fine.

He didn't use my real name. I don't know. I'm a little disturbed. I really didn't say anything because I don't know what to say. But the more I think about, the more weirder now I am. Who am I even dating? He has the most mundane crap too. Stuff like whether he should go to a work event, etc.

Yeah, this is the problem with AI. This is it in a nutshell. Also, the idea of like being like, well, just as Google nowadays. Everything done by Google is now AI as well and sucks shit. Like, Google essentially blew their shit up. Like, unless you know specifically what you're looking for, like chances are the shit you're getting from a like google isn't any better than the stuff you're getting from chat gpt in terms of it's it's crazy that we used to live in the world where you could just look up a thing and be pretty certain about the response you got whereas now it's like a little puzzle it's like trying to send us a question where you have to jump through all these different steps and like be intelligent like i shouldn't have to use my brain the irony being i shouldn't have to use my brain to find like the proper response i should just be able to look it up get it trust that But now it's like you actually need to read like context clues and check sources and like maybe double check, maybe triple check.

And like it's insane that we've backslid to this point. Yeah. I mean, the answer is probably going to be the same for me. Like every time we talk about AI in the sense of or anyone who like relies on AI to make decisions. Because I know there's someone I work with who does the same sort of thing. And I'm just like eventually what is your contribution to your life? Right. Like what are you what are you adding to your life?

if you are asking the machine that everyone knows and acknowledges is wrong almost all the time and is confirmation bias. If you're just going to do whatever it says, why are you, why? What do we do? What's the point? Right? Like, you, you follow all these steps. And now you're not making any decisions. You're not making any social decisions. You're not making any, you know, career decisions. Relationship decisions. It's all just nothing. It's all just like, I, I would. wouldn't put my life in a randomizer. And that's kind of what you're doing. And at least that will be more fun. But you're selling your fucking whole life to AI companies to fucking exploit your shit. And wrecking the environment. And also, she's right. Who is she dating? Not you. Because you are, you've become nobody man. Yeah. Like, what's the difference from her being like, cool. Can you give me the password to your Chad GBT account? And now I'm dating that. Because like, what's the difference? Like, I don't have to waste any time. Now I could just be like, how is your day?

at GPT as Derek. And then it'll just be like, well, here's what I did because I have a list of all the questions you've asked. And like, what are you adding? And if you can't think of anything, if you say, oh, hey, yeah, actually, that's a good point. Stop using AI and reclaim your fucking life. And it's crazy that I have to say that to human beings.

Yeah. I just can't imagine living like that. It sucks so much. No, I don't. I mean, the best thing that's happened to me with AI is that I hate being told what to do. I don't like it, right? So if all of a sudden this computer is telling me what to do, I'm not going to do it. So it's just actively never going to work for me.

And I think I feel safer that way. I just wouldn't respect anybody who lived like this. And I wouldn't date someone I don't respect. So I could not date someone who used like that. Even if they used it as a search engine, I'd be out. Yeah. It would be a hard deal breaker for me. This is from No Wonderland, Alice.

How do you deal with unrequited crushers? Hi there. Unfortunately, I have a history of all. always crushing on people that do not like me back. I wouldn't say those crushes were unrealistic or out of reach for me. I usually either met them on dating apps, met them during my studies, or got to know them through friends. So it's not like I ever or I never hung out with them and barely knew them. We usually got along well, but they only saw me as a platonic friend or someone else or they like someone else, which of course is absolutely valid. I've also had to reject a few people because

I was on the other end, so I know how that feels. Still, it can be very discouraging if it keeps happening. I've never had someone like I liked, like me back that way. How do you usually deal with unrequited feelings and how do you not lose hope and love in general or with love in general? And then edit, I feel like I've gotten better recognizing when singles aren't only platonic. Yet it does hurt every time and it doesn't make me feel more optimistic about ever finding a part. Okay. If every single person you like, especially people you meet on dating apps, don't like you back,

I think there is a pattern here and that pattern is worrying. And I'm assuming it's one of a few different things. Either one, you are falling for people that don't like you because you like. Like a lot of people do that, right? If somebody is uninterested, that's the person they fall for versus the person who is interested that they're not into, right? Or like you suck on dates? Like you're going out on dates and then they just don't like you.

Are you acting it like way too cool and not giving them the impression that you're into it so they move on? Or are you just like not very nice to be around? Or are you misrepresenting yourself on like dating? things. These are just kind of like what I'm thinking. I guess that's not necessarily the question, but it is worrying me. As to like how I deal with the like unrequited crushes, like, I don't know. I feel like you, you hit the nail on the head where you're like, it's happened to me, so I know how it feels. So it's like if you've done it, you got to understand where they're coming

from. So yeah, like you, you know that sucks, but whatever. You didn't not like that person out of malice. He just didn't like that person. It wasn't like you had any, you know, anger at them or you thought them any less of a person or whatever like you just you didn't like them and that's that right like you can't really force yourself to like someone uh i mean you can maybe give someone a shot that you might not usually give a shot but sure but that only goes so far i think there's another alternative to your scenarios and i think it might be that you are putting way too much into something way too early and so that it might not necessarily be like unrequited feelings it's you never like you were like boom i've met this person and i think they're cute and like maybe

some aspect of their personality is like lines up for me so i got a crush on them and it's like okay that's exactly what i was thinking is like i wouldn't be too bothered by this because if it was someone i met on a dating app that i had a crush on i would meet up with them presumably once and it wouldn't work out and then i would move on because it's kind of a flash in the pan nothing at that point right So either you're meeting up with these people time and time and time again, but somehow it's not going romantic. So you're like dragging yourself through glass just to be around this person when you know. So it's like, are you lying to them and being like, yeah, we can be friends, but you're not into that? Or are you, as Dan suggested, just falling so hard and fast for somebody.

Because again, why is it? I don't even think it could be a crush after meeting somebody once because it wouldn't even get to that level. I was going to say, like, on the flip side of that is like, everyone you meet. on a dating app is an unrequited crush, right? Like, you, you like you like, you like, you like they're cute and you want to see them. So like there's a little crush. I wouldn't say it's like a, uh, a emotional attachment. Are you saying it's a requited crush or is under requited? Well, they want to meet you too. Once they match. Yeah, yeah, but I feel like, hey, I'm assuming they're talking about people they match with. If that is in the case, my point is, we got problems.

You're, you're like on a, on a dating app. Like, you can't, you can't be like, oh, I've got a crush on you. Everyone your liking is presumably someone you could potentially have a crush on. So if you're meeting these people or even just like magic with these people and then going on a date and being like, I've got a crush on them. It's like you can't though. It's too soon. You don't know. That's the thing.

It's like you don't know them well enough. And again, they must see something in you too if you're meeting up. If you're going on a date, they like to talking to you and they like how you present yourself on the dating app enough to go meet you. So if they're always unrequited, are you representing yourself properly? Are you really weird in person? Are you like too much, too little? Because I don't think you're just right.

You're not that bowl of porridge. Yeah. And like, or are you just too shy? Like, are you not taking your shot? Yeah. That's the thing.

Like I've met up. Like there was a girl I really liked ages ago. We went to date. I was super hype. And the date went fine in that like we got on. But they were like rigid and like sitting at distance. And if I ever like got near or like, you know,

try to hold their hand or put an arm around them. It would like be there for a couple seconds. And I'd move away. And I was like, Okay. They just are not into this. So we had a nice night. We went home. Sorry, they went home. I went home. And then like months later, we were talking and they were seeing a new guy, ironically, with the exact same name as me. And she was like, yeah, it's a pity. We went on that date. I really liked you. And I was like, what? How was I supposed to know that? You didn't. You did not. I don't think you did. Well, like, she said she was just like super nervous.

I was like, there was not a single part of me that was like, yeah, she likes me. And the thing is, the evidence was all there. We went on a date. Like, we had met as friends specifically were like, let's go on a date. And even then, they acted so not into me that I was like, oh, okay, something has changed. That is fine. I'm not going to push it. And like, they were kind of hitting me with the like, why didn't you like try to come up to my place?

And I was like, girl, you couldn't have been more not into me than if you had pulled out like a katana and been like, if you come. closer, I will slice you like them. Yeah. So it is funny when people hit me with that. Like where you're just like in what, like play back the instances in which like I remember there's one

woman that I used to work with and then I got a new job and then I was no longer working. And then so I, you know, I shot my shot. And they were like, no thanks. Like that's very sweet but I'm not. No thank you. And I was like, okay, great. Like no worries. You know, that's fine.

And then like threw out maybe like over the course like two or three years. They would like, we would cross pass again and I would like kind of shoot my shot again. And they would be like no. And then like most recently, like the last time I talked to them, they were like, oh yeah, I always had a big crush. I was like, what do you mean? I was like, every time I asked you out and they were like, oh, well, I just, you know, I was,

I was nervous. I was like, you can't. There's no blame on me for missing this boat because I asked you out like three times over the course of like three years. I don't know what. Like there is no other thing I could have done other than. then like break into your apartment, handcuff you to me and drag you around the city on a date. Yeah, which again, that's a leak. That's the thing. If you've put someone in the position where for

them to make a move, they have to do crimes. That's not good. So something is wrong. Presumably it is on your end because again, if every person you meet on a daily basis is an asshole, you're probably the asshole, right? So it's like you're falling too hard. You're falling too soon. You're misrepresenting yourself or you're falling for the wrong people. I would look inward. And again, I think most concerningly, like what do you do with all this whatever, not much because you've met this person once. It doesn't matter. Yeah, the unrequited feeling, like the actual question, I guess, of like what you actually asked of being like, how do you deal with these feelings?

When it comes to like online dating, you just need to know that for a while, the apps are meant to be a revolving door of people that you're going to meet on random times and like you can't get invested in that. I understand if like over the course of, you know, a couple months, someone goes to whatever. But like, if someone's going on multiple dates with you, it's not unrequited. It's just they've chosen that they don't want to pursue it. And that's a very different thing, right?

They've decided to break it off. That's unrequited, whatever. With your friend group, the way to deal with it is like you shoot your shot and or you decide that it's not worth messing up the friend group because you want to keep the balance and it might make it awkward for people if you do ask them out so you don't. And then you make the choice of being like, I either can't hang out with this person. 100%. Because I got feelings for them and it will be weird.

if I do, or I will continue to hang out with these people, and I will not be weird about it, because I know that people are allowed to like who they like and not like who they don't like, and them not liking me has no bearing on whether or not we can be friends. If you can do that, great, go for it, but you can't be in a weird, I'm going to hang out with them, but I am also going to be crazy weird about my feelings for them, whether I've told them or not. You can't do that. So we're going to take a quick break and develop a few crushes. Yeah, and I won't reciprocate.

Huh? There's been a twist. I developed a very serious crush. And now is not into it. I was into it. I told you never to talk to me again. I never come to my home. But I meant take me on the date.

What I meant was I have the biggest crush on you. Well, that was years ago. So I guess we can't act on it now. This is by Shine Bright, Mr. Guys with experience, please help. How the fuck am I getting friends owned by cute or hotter girls after sex? I thought it was an issue with my dating profile. But now even the girl I met from.

the street and hooked up with said the same shit. Specifically from the much cuter or hotter girls. I rarely get this from girls less hot. But it's shit like, you're a sweet guy, but I don't see a strong connection. Or would you be cool if we're friends? This is what I get after sex. But even with some, I get it before sex. Even though they were down to fuck at first.

I don't feel a romantic connection. I've been looping on this because it's while, yeah, I'm making regular gradual improvement to my neediness looks, sex, voice, groundedness, etc. I can't pinpoint what it is. only culprit I can think of as my slight autism. But to friends own me after sex because of it? Same girl my friend was able to retain as a friends with benefit. So I know she's not lying.

But it kills me, man. Sorry, you hooked up with someone and then your friend became friends with benefit. Well, I can't talk shit. I pretty much did that. So, yeah. I mean, like, you've got to, you've, we can't answer this question for you. I think, I think we can. Yeah, it's a slight autism.

Next question. If it's always after sex, you're bad at sex. Like, I hate to break it to you. Or you do something weird at sex. Or you, yeah. Like, you need to, I mean, here's a big question for you. Do you care if they come? Mm-hmm. And are they?

Like, yeah. Two very important questions. Do you care? Are you putting in the work? Are they getting there? Yeah. Because like, I don't, not being able to get someone to finish can be a number of things, especially on a first time.

So I'm not going to like, like hang out. Oh, but if you're not even trying. If you do not care, then, hey, there's your answer, my guy. Who wants to hook? Like, would you want to keep sleeping with someone if every time you guys hooked up, they had no intention on making you come? That's a crazy thing because you're a dude and you don't believe that sex is anything other than you coming.

Yeah. And that's it. Like, I can only assume it's that because like when you care and when you try and when you're even somewhat talented at it, people are feral to do it again because they're not used to that. Right. So again, unless there's some other hygiene issue or like kink that you throw out there or like maybe lack of decorum, like if you're just grabbing someone and choking them without like,

you know, talking about it or whatever. Like it's either sex etiquette. It's just sex etiquette because I think trying to make your partner come is also that. But it seems strange that they're like, because you would imagine that they wouldn't want to like interact with them. If they are being serious about wanting to stay friends and calling him sweet, then maybe they're like like that's where that's where my disconnect is, right? Because if you're just going in taking a pound town coming and being like, well, that's it.

I don't imagine most women would be like, can we, you're so nice. Can we stay friends? Like that doesn't seem... But like if otherwise they're nice. I sadly think it's common enough of a thing. I don't think anybody's going to get too personally hurt by that. But they might just be like, you know what? Sex, romance, off the table completely.

But, you know, they're nice. Whatever. And also, I do think you're so sweet. Let's be friends is less of a let's be friends and more of a I'm letting you down easy, right? Yeah. I mean, this is personal. So many friends by now. Fuck.

So many buddies. It's always someone's birthday. I'm going to be financially ruined. So it's constantly inviting me to their weird art show, their podcast show. Oh, I hate that. Yeah, I don't know what to tell you other than you need to do a, like a hard mental inventory. And hey, look, if you have a little autism, maybe this, maybe a spreadsheet. Maybe it's time to, maybe it's time to like lay down some data analysis, right?

You know what? Okay, you hit me with yours first. I think there might be no problem with being like, okay, here, here's how I'm at a person. Here's when we hooked up. here's how the sex went here's you know did they come did i try to make them come and if you see a column of being like oh i keep meeting these people at my friends parties and uh you know they're they're all attractive and they all like me whatever but i never take them out for a date we always it's just a hookup and i make no effort to make them come and they never do then maybe you might

be able to extrapolate some some conclusions from that right you might be able to draw some conclusions from that information. If you're like all over the map, then maybe maybe there's just a weird anomaly and vibe that you give out that like you got a little brother energy. Also, look, if you're chill and if you're actually friends with anybody since this has happened,

pick the one that was the furthest back. Like let's say last year it happened and you're now friends with Cindy. And just be like, hey, Cindy, I notice that like I keep hucking up with people and then they, you know, say they don't want anything romantic me afterwards.

Happen with you. I was just wondering, like, you could be honest. Again, this option is only if you, you're chill and you have to mean that you're going to be cool with this, I'd just be like, was this something I did?

Like, you can be honest with me. I'm not going to freak out. And again, you cannot freak out. And just see if you're actually close with any of these women. Hopefully they'll give you some kind of like actual, you know, feedback. But again, you got to be chill. Yeah, you also need to know how your brain handles this kind of information of being like, if you're going to spiral endlessly with with something, then maybe, maybe this isn't

the root for you. Maybe this isn't the path you can take. But there are ways to figure out, is there a common denominator amongst these people and the experiences that you have with these people? Because if you are, that's usually a telling sign that perhaps that might be the issue. And now I do want to say, I want to stress that that might not mean that it's a bad thing, right? Perhaps you are in a scenario where you are respecting their consent, right? and you aren't going, you know, you aren't slapping them out of nowhere. And, you know, Nail and I have talked about on the show.

We've also been in these scenarios where people are like, I wanted you to be more dominant. Oh, when I said I didn't want to have sex, I wanted you to like push a little hard or whatever. Yeah. Right. Or if that's the case, maybe you're sticking by your boundaries really solidly and people want to push them. And when you're rigid on them, they, you know, it's not worth it. There's some shit like that, right? It could be, could be some kind of positive thing and you're meeting some negative people.

That's what I'm saying. I don't want someone to hear this advice and be like, well, okay, look, every time I, you know, didn't push and try to, you know, convince them otherwise and flip their consent, I got the you're so sweet. I don't want to hook up with you anymore. So that must mean that I should try to, you know, negotiate consent. No, that's not what I'm saying. That might just be a thing of being like, oh, I'm meeting shitty people and I should be proud of myself for sticking to what I know is right, what I've been. taught and what I believe in. And now I just need to find someone who, you know, respects those same boundaries and isn't looking for a criminal, really. So that was, that's just one thing I've really wanted to like touch on because like there are sometimes, you then need to sort of like look at it in context and not just assume. But it's like if the, you know, if the on the flip side, like if it is like, oh, I've made no effort to make them come and all these women don't want to sleep with me anymore. Well, there you go. That might be your moral code and that might be a different. difficult, challenging path for you to walk.

This is from physical ad. I went on a first date with a man about a month ago. The date was okay from my perspective. We mostly talked about interest, travel, movies, TV shows. We didn't really get to know each other as people, but it's not a huge deal for a first date. He also didn't walk me into my car. And while I didn't say anything,

usually I do really like when a man does that. I ended up coming down with an awful fluid, message him two days later to let him know so he could make sure I didn't get him sick. He responded to the text and said that he was feeling fine, that he enjoyed meeting me and wanted to see me again when I recover. I did note that he didn't reach out to ask me again proactively. I said, sounds good.

The issue is that this illness has taken a long time to fully recover, and I'm still in the final recovery stages. The whole time, he hasn't been in contact, and even though we said we only went on one date, I would have liked if he had checked in on me. Even just a simple, how are you feeling text? A week later would have been amazing. At this point, I don't really want to go out with him again.

And it's been such a long time that reaching out, especially just to tell him I'm not really interested, seems awkward. I'm usually not a ghoster, but that seems like the right thing to do in this case. Am I being unrealistic expecting more thoughtfulness after a first date? Yeah, I think so. I think you are. I think if it was me, and it isn't. But I would, it's not me, okay? It is.

Shut the, I've seen the receipts. You said at the start, you wouldn't unveil anybody's agent name. And what'd you do to me? Yeah. Well, technically haven't said a name. Didn't you read out the start? True, I did. You fuck. Um, look, I think it can be a little presumptuous to be like, oh, walking to your car. You know, maybe you don't feel safe. Like, it's a weird thing. Like, I don't know where your car is. Maybe he should have. Maybe you shouldn't have. I think there could be an argument for each one. I don't think it's a big deal. If you want to get walked to your car, ask, oh, would you mind walking me in my car, right?

Stand up for your fuck itself and the things you want to do, right? Two, he said, oh, like, let me know when you feel better. And I think that's kind of a kind thing, because one, this. could be an excuse. He doesn't know, right? Two, you said it already is taking you so long to get, like, uh, to feel better. So imagine he reached out last week. It was like, oh, yeah, are you, you better? You want to go out? And you're like, no, I'm still sick. That's going to definitely sound like a fucking excuse, right? So it's like, he gave you the time, probably expected you to reach out after two or three days and you didn't. So he's probably just like, ah, she's not into me. Because that's a reasonable kind of like, you know, logical route to go on. So I don't think this

guy's really done anything wrong. If you have been sick this whole time and you, reach out. I don't think it's weird. I don't think if they're going to care. And if they do, whatever, no loss at that point. Now, she does want to reach out to tell him that he's not interested anymore. I don't know that you need to. Yes. I think he's already correct. You were, you were right the right way to handle this. If you don't want to see this guy again, you look, he already thinks you ghosted him. Right. He already thinks that you made up an excuse and didn't want to see him again. And he's moved on. I promise you. Yeah, for sure. And like, so yeah, you can ghost him if you want. I don't think it's a

a real big deal because again, unlike our question earlier, is one day, this shouldn't be my crush territory. It's just like, I met this person. Seemed like it was going well. Guess it didn't. Move on, right? I do think you're being way harsh. I think you're overthinking and spiraling and getting weird with the time, with the car thing, with the being reached out to. So maybe examine yourself on that one because I don't think you're going to set yourself up for a lot of success in life if you're going to be this fucking neurotic about everything. But no, I do think. I don't think you're being unrealistic of getting a how are you feeling text? Because I think I would do that. Right. Like if if I really wanted to see someone again, I would send them a how you feel in text.

Yeah, but just because I would also do it doesn't mean I don't understand why they didn't. Right. Like I could see a world in which you're not sure whether you're being kind of fobbed off or not. And a polite thing is just to not push it. Like would it be a weird thing if he sent the text? No, not all. I think it would be quite nice. Is it damning that he didn't? I also don't think so. I don't think it is. I don't think he's in the wrong at all. I do think that, like, I don't think you're, I don't think of, of everything that happened in this question.

I don't think it's unrealistic to be like, I was kind of hoping he would send me how you, how you feel in text. Yeah, but hoping and I now no longer want to see this guy. Yeah. You know, I think it's, you just got a little far. But that's just me, but that's me. I want to circle back to what you said about the car as well, right? Like, Nile, we, we are hoping that men are getting to the point where there are

a little more cautious about the space they take up with women and how women feel around them, especially on places like dates and in strange situations. Did he know you even drove to the date? Right? Like, does he know you had a car? And this might be a city thing. You know, most of the times I went on a date with someone, they did not take a car. They did not drive.

Like, um, there's no parking. It takes an hour to get anywhere. And I was like, people don't have a drink. Like, yeah. We're going for drinks. Don't, don't drive here. Just Uber or TTC or whatever. Anyway.

But it's like, it's a similar thing to like, bringing somebody like one, if it's in a dark fucking car parking garage or something, yeah, maybe that's why you want someone with you. But also, I could see why you maybe wouldn't want strange guy you just met with you. If you don't really know. It's sort of the same idea of being like, walk you home and now I know where you live. As me, a dude asking to walk you home, right? There is an assumption there that perhaps once we get there, I will come up, right? Or whatever. If you ask me to walk you home, I will say absolutely, I mean, depending on where the fuck you live, But again, I also won't assume that that means that you want me to come up or anything's going to happen because I'm a sane person.

But also, I know a lot of women don't want you to know where they live the first time they meet you. Yes. So, I don't know. There's there's a lot here that like you need to be aware of that men are now becoming slowly conscious of. And you can take it sort of like at every sort of junction. There's two ways it could go of being like, yeah, he just didn't think of it or he was wildly aware of it. Right. And like they at each point in time during a day, it could be like that where it's like, oh, he didn't, you know, offer to stay for one more drink because he didn't want to stay at the date or maybe he didn't want to seem like he was trying to get you drunk. It's just a long list of that kind of stuff. So trying to assign a value to that behavior, I think is dangerous, especially if you just met this person, right? I think you should always lean on the side of caution. Yeah. And like, give people the benefit of the doubt. of being like, oh, well, maybe he's trying to be on best behavior.

Maybe he's, you know, maybe he's, maybe he's aware of that. Maybe he didn't want to make me feel uncomfortable. Maybe he didn't think he was coming for a good night case. Maybe he didn't want to, you know, walk me alone somewhere. And that's the thing. If you ask someone, you're putting pressure on them. So a lot of people may just say yes because they're worried you'll freak out if they say no, right? So it's like, I don't know.

I just, I think you got to stand up for what you want as well. If you want this person to walk you to their fucking or to walk you, yeah, to your fucking car. say, hey, can you walk me into a car? And it can be flirt. Like, if you want it to be flirt, you can be like, hey, like, you know, you want to keep this date going for another like 30 seconds, walk me to my car? And just something playful, something nice, something fun. Keep it like, you know, it doesn't have to be like a, as the man, you must discard me to

my car. Or even if you don't feel safe, be like, hey. I require escort to my vehicular. Yeah. You could be like, hey, I parked out like kind of a dark street. Do you mind just walking me to my car? That's fine too, right? Like, no dude, well, I hope no one would be like, nah, fucking sorted out, idiot.

There's definitely people like that. But I just, I feel like for some reason you have just taken everything the worst way. And I don't think you need to. If you want to, that's fine. You can ghost him. It doesn't matter. But like for your own safety and mental health, I think you could just like take a breath, ask for what you want and be a little more kind.

Especially when again, it's highly possible that what he's doing is actually like displaying positive behaviors. And it's shitty that you. are then turning on them as if he's doing negative ones, you know? Hmm. I got a long question. You've got a saga. I got a saga. Okay, let's go into the saga, right?

Do the saga. So there's been a schism in seduction, right? And it does me well to see it because we're used to the bullshit. What I'm not used to is people fighting back against the bullshit, right? So I'm going to hit you with the bullshit first. This is, once you control her emotions, you control her. Most simps will hate this. Real shit.

Dudes want to be all just be genuine, bro, but that's the last thing you should do. You all play the game with strategy. Key is frame control, your unbreakable baseline. She doesn't text back for hours? You don't double text or blow up her phone. You sit with the discomfort. Shut your brain up and let her come to you. The moment you're afraid to lose her, you already lost.

You pursue first, then flip it. Become that unpredictable drug you can't get enough of. Control her emotions. Make her feel excited, confused, horny, safe, whatever. Because when you control her emotions, you control her. Because my frame is solid I can even go vulnerable when I want One time I was fucking this new girl for the first time

She was nervous projecting on me I just said out loud Damn you're nervous aren't you She tried to flip it on me and I said yeah I am nervous but so are you So what are we gonna do about that We laughed got out of the way and kept it moving I say the obvious

I can dip into vulnerability because I always snap Right back to baseline It's like a slot machine system I switch modes on purpose Right now I'm talking to three different girls They all act like I own them They tell me I can do whatever I want. That's the result of scarcity

plus strong masculine frame, plus controlling the emotional roller coaster. Got my own methods. No, not the emotional roller coaster. It's back, baby. Are we back? Delivery, personality, reading the room, it all matters. What works for me might not work for you. Find your vision. Most of you will call this manipulative. I keep losing anyway. Cool. I'll still be over here with options.

If you want specifics on the slot machine system or how to do it, ask. I'll share what I can. And yeah, I use AI to type. up my thought and post. Big deal. I love immediately ending it just so defensively. He can zip into vulnerability. Yeah, there you go. Right. He just did it. And what was that, if not an emotional roller coaster? So seduction to their credit. Someone commented being like, hey, you're a manipulative psychopath. He said, you missed the whole point. Play the game or the game plays you. Obviously, you don't have any masculine energy. If you think this is psychopathic,

Girls literally want to be controlled and told what to do. Girls literally cannot pick what they want to eat. That comment alone tells me everything about your dating life, which is miserable. You're the reason I can fuck three girls in rotation. Thank you. So this is the beginning. Almost immediately after, another post pops up on seduction. And I hate that I'm doing this show regularly enough that I'm able to track this.

So Norwegian Doggo posts in seduction saying, you can see women as equals and do well. Women, sorry. You can do women. Words. you can see women as equals and do well. I just have to point this out, I see so many younglings on here thinking you have to have a toxic, misogynistic mindset to do well with women. I want to say, you fucking don't.

You can see women as equals and do incredibly well. In fact, you'll probably do better. Toxic ideas I've seen spread on the sub from time to time. Women want to be controlled. Women want to feel owned. Women don't know what they want, can't explain what they want. Your goal is a man is to get women to do what you want. You need to manipulate women to get sex.

Women are inherently emotionally weak or sensitive. These are all wrong and worse, they're toxic. and you need to stop watching toxic man-lit influencers that spread horse poo ideas like it. Beware of men who spread such nonsense. Sure, they may get laid, but getting laid isn't that difficult. You'll never have healthy long-term relationships with anyone. If you think you're inherently superior to them, you can see from the fact these dudes never have healthy marriages or long-term relationships.

The most positive post I've ever seen on seduction. Yeah, that's crazy. But immediately, is it working? Yeah, the first post, it's not ideas. It's biology. Basically, women have to actively fight their nature to surrender to their own. primal urge to be owned by powerful man. And they do fight against it,

which is why everyone's neurotic in 2026. Edit, I've seen firsthand the smartest most progressive women turning into concubine upon seeing a man with so much power. He effortlessly dominates other men. But that post was downvoted into oblivion. Are we getting somewhere? I don't know. You mean the comment.

The comment was downvoted. Yes, the comment was downvoted. Yes, that one. This could be it, man. This could be what we've been waiting for. This could be what we're working for. I think like it's genuinely, it's the first time I've seen people like sometimes there's a few dissenters in the comments, but they get downvoted.

Whereas with this one, it spawned a whole other like anti that post post. And everyone was like, oh, we know what you're referring to. But like people were hopping in being like, yeah, like, fuck you guys. This guy knows what's going on. And it actually like made me feel a lot of hope. It also made me feel a lot of despair because some of the things I just read out are some of the worst things I've ever read out. But it's insane to me that people like that actually exist. I dominate other men. I turn women into concubine. What the fuck are you talking about? Now, to be fair,

that guy's didn't say that he was the one doing it. He said that he's witnessed men so powerful that also like, I know you mentioned it before where it's just like there's such a weird like homoeroticism to the like Chad. This like he effortlessly dominated man. I watched it. It was like on by this other dude. Like this guy saw that man and was like, fuck, he's so strong. That's what people thought when those doctors had to pick up women and run away from us. Our masculine energy dominating women.

I feel like that it's the Emma Frost, alt from rivals. Just like the like, her's like psychic. Yeah. That's a, we've been playing a lot of Marvel. We've been playing a lot of Marvel rivals.

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