Finding Mastery with Dr. Michael Gervais - Being a Student of Progression | Snowmobiling Legend, Levi LaVallee

Episode Date: March 11, 2020

This week’s conversation is with snowmobiling legend Levi LaVallee, a 13 time X Games Medalist, Snocross Champion, and World Record holderLevi first tasted podium success in 2004 when he won the HillCross snowmobile event at the Winter X Games, in Aspen, Colorado and then made the switch to Freestyle competition.At the 2008 Winter X Games, Levi took gold in both the Speed & Style and Freestyle events and was later named Best Male Athlete of the entire competition.He also made history when he became the first person to attempt a double backflip on a snowmobile at the 2009 Winter X Games.After soaring more than 15m into the air, he went long on the landing and was thrown from his sled upon impact. The attempt was so tantalisingly close to succeeding that many people considered it a great achievement.The X Games medals weren’t enough though -- in 2011, he took the torch from Travis Pastrana, Robbie Maddison and Rhys Millen for one of his greatest feats – Red Bull New Year No Limits.Levi jumped across the San Diego Bay on a snow mobile, setting a new world record of 412ft (125m).And that sets the tone for this conversation --- it’s about what led up to that world record-setting moment that gave Levi the confidence, the courage, the hunger to go for that type of feat.Levi is a student of progression – he’s organized his life that way, from a young age to now, and it becomes evident how that’s allowed him to succeed at just about anything he puts his mind to._________________Subscribe to our Youtube Channel for more powerful conversations at the intersection of high performance, leadership, and meaning: https://www.youtube.com/c/FindingMasteryGet exclusive discounts and support our amazing sponsors! Go to: https://findingmastery.com/sponsors/Subscribe to the Finding Mastery newsletter for weekly high performance insights: https://www.findingmastery.com/newsletter Download Dr. Mike's Morning Mindset Routine! https://www.findingmastery.com/morningmindsetFollow us on Instagram, LinkedIn, and X.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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head to davidprotein.com slash finding mastery. That's David, D-A-V-I-D, protein, P-R-O-T-E-I-N.com slash finding mastery. Okay. This week's conversation is with snowmobiling legend Levi LaVallee. He's a 13-time X Games medalist. He's a snowcross champion and a world record holder. So Levi first tasted the podium at a very young age. It was in 2014 when he won the Hillcross Snowmobile event at the Winter X Games in Aspen, Colorado. And then he made the switch to freestyle competition. So then in 2008, the Winter X Games, Levi took gold both in speed and style and freestyle events

and was later named the best male athlete of the entire competition. Levi's a legend and you'll hear it in the way that he uses his language and his frameworks to make sense of the world and how he uses his mind to be better at his craft than just about everyone. So he made history, though, when he became the first person to attempt a double backflip on a snowmobile at the 2009 Winter X Games. Think about that. I mean, those sleds are massive. They're really big. And he did a double backflip. And then after like 15 meters up in the sky, he went long. And on the landing, he was thrown from a sled on impact and it's heavy. And the attempt was so close to succeeding that many people considered it a flat out astronomical achievement.

So then let's fast forward. The X Games medals weren't enough for him. So in 2011, he really kind of took that next step and he took the baton or the torch from Travis Pastrana, who you might recognize the name if you're in action sports, like absolute legend, Robbie Madison, flat out legend, for one of his greatest feats. And it was, the event is called Red Bull New Year's No Limits. And Levi jumped across the San Diego Bay on a snowmobile, and he set a world record of 412 feet. That sets the tone for this conversation. And it's about what led up to that world record setting moment that gave Levi the confidence, the courage, the thirst and hunger to go for that type of feat, and then how he dealt with the consequences as well. Levi is a student of progression, and he's organized his life that way from a young age and all the way

up until now. And it becomes evident how that's allowed him to succeed at just about anything he puts his mind to. And with that, let's jump right into this week's conversation with the legend, Levi LaVallee. What's up, Levi? Oh man, just excited to be out here. You know, coming from Minnesota, it's wonderful being in Southern California. We were all playing on the pier earlier here, and it's beautiful out here. Hermosa Beach has got a pretty special vibe, doesn't it? Most certainly does. You know, the beach cruisers, everyone cruising around, people having fun on the beach.

So my wife and I, we're going to play tourist here after this. Cool. Okay, so let's jump into it. we met, I think it was 2012. Was that about right? Or was it 2011? Probably, I would say probably 2011 because we were going through the whole distance jump process in 2011. So.

Yeah. So let's start there. Let's start the conversation there with what happened in 2011. And then I really want to work backwards, right? And say, okay, how did you get there? Then let's go to what you learned. And then, you know, what you ended up closing out your first part of your career with. Okay, so let's do that.

So let's start with 2011. 2011. So it was a big year. I mean, actually, if you backtrack to December of 2010, you know, at that point, we were practicing for the Red Bull New Year No Limits, which for an action sports athlete was like the pinnacle. That's it. Yeah. New Year's Eve, ESPN. Live show. Yeah.

New Year's Eve. A live show on ESPN just for this one feat that you're doing. So when that idea came up, I was all over it. I'm like, this is the dream. This is what I, you know, spent my whole life working towards. And so there we are practicing. Everything is going well. We had a little bit of a little concern with the engine on my snowmobile as we were jumping.

And it seemed like we fixed it. We remedied the problem. And unfortunately, that problem came back and it bit us pretty big. Okay. What is the poundage? How much does a snowmobile weigh? So a snowmobile weighs roughly 450 to 500 pounds, you know, with fluid and everything you're looking at closer to 500 pounds.

And when did you first get introduced to riding snowmobiles? I was first introduced to riding snowmobiles, probably, gosh, it would have been when I was seven. And then, you know, riding with my family, my family got back into snowmobiling. My parents used to do it in the seventies. And then through the eighties, when my sister and I were, were growing up, they got out of it. And then 1990, they got new snowmobiles. My sister and I would ride with them. And that's when dad first let me start riding. And then the next year they got me a used snowmobile. And then we both

started riding as a family, older sister,? Older. She's two years older. Okay. So dad put a seven-year-old on a 400 pound machine. The kid like goes 60 miles an hour plus. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. So the thing that was really fun was riding with people, you know, they would see me. And I mean, I'm not a very big guy now as a, as an adult. So there I am at like four feet tall.

I can just barely touch the running boards. Right. So it's like a kid on a bicycle that can't touch the pedals. And they would ask my dad, they said, do you think that's a good idea? And my dad would say, well, you see, if you can keep up with them is what he would say. What was that like? Because you heard your dad say that kind of stuff. What was that like for you?

How did that shape you? I think what it, it just kind of embedded in me, like that, you know, maybe that competitive side, like see if you can keep up with him. So it was almost like the challenge of like, all right, now I got to prove to these guys that I am fast or that I am whatever. And I think one of the interesting things about, um, you know, all that's happened in, in my career and in just in life in general. I think it's all, I hate to use the small guy syndrome or whatever, but I've always been the youngest, the smallest kid in my class

from kindergarten through my senior year in high school. And I think early on what it did was it, you know, you go out for recess and they're like, I don't want to, you know, who wants to pick the little guy for football? So I was just on this mission to prove to everyone that I wasn't the weak link that actually I was, I would be an asset to the team. And that just kind of snowballed into, into everything else. And then once I started doing individual sports with, you know, with snowmobiling and racing and things like that, then, you know, I, I remember when I played football, I just didn't want to be the weak link. So I always would do my thing, but when it was all, all me for racing, you know, when, when I wouldn't succeed, it was like, all right, like now I'm letting the team down. So I would just go to

work even harder to try to, to be successful. Okay. It sounds like really early it was dad and dad had some kind of trust of you, right? And so a seven-year-old or just kind of a wild man. Let's not rule that out. A little bit of a wild man. Yeah, right. Okay. So, but somehow the ecosystem in your family was getting up on the edge. Okay.

So that's a cool thought. And then there was a competitive spirit that you adopted out of it. And then it sounded like you were taking us to a chip on your shoulder because of my size, whatever I got chip on. But then it sounds like you flip that or maybe it's, it got confusing in some ways that it started as a chip, but it was really like, I don't want to let people down. So can you, can you pull those apart and help me understand that early framework? Yeah. I think it was, it was, it was more like, I didn't want to let anyone down. Like I just, a little bit of like, I didn't want to let anyone

down. And, and maybe it was the chip on his shoulder saying like, I don't want to be known as the weak link. So it was both. It was, I think it was a little bit of shoulder saying, I don't want to be known as the weak link. So it was both. I think it was a little bit of both. So I don't want to be known as the weak link and I don't want to let people down and screw you, I can do this. Yeah, for sure. So two out of the three were more about, let's call it more of a fear approach. And one of them was more like a competitive, aggressive approach.

Which one was bigger? Is it a two thirds thing like a two out of three, or is it, is that not quite weighted the right way? I would say it's probably, I think it would be, see the hard thing is, is there, there is a lot of like, like, you know, tell me I can't and watch me do it type thing. You've got that in you.

Yeah. So there, there was a lot of times where, you know, you would, because the reason I say that is I heard, I've heard before someone saying, what do they say? You don't get even, but you just are quiet about when you get even. If I failed or if someone did something, I would be just quiet and I would say, okay, here we go. I'm going to work my butt off and I'm going to prove to you guys that I can, like if it wouldn't work right away. This happened, a great example was in high school. I remember early on.

Minnesota. In Minnesota. Small high school? Very small, very small. We graduated in class of, well, now it doesn't matter, but it's class of 39, but there were 200 kids from 7th through 12th grade in the school. That's small. So it was a pretty small place.

But even then, it was like, you know, it was back to the weak link thing again. And I remember, you know, when we come in in seventh grade, I got in a fight with a kid and he busted my front tooth out. And he was, you know, he's bigger than me. And I remember thinking in my head. Was this your adult tooth or kid tooth like no it was it was my adult one this so this one's not real oh my god in seventh grade but um but anyway so i lose my front tooth there and i just remember thinking i'm like i'm i'm so gonna get bigger like so i just started going to the gym you're built like a square well that's

as wide as you are tall i don't know if that's where it started but i started lifting weights right away like from that point forward in in school and maybe that's why i'm only five and a half feet tall maybe it stunted my growth or what i don't think it works that way but yeah the research i don't think holds that up yeah so i think it's more so that my mom is four foot 10 and my dad is five eight. That makes more sense. So once I made over five foot, I was excited. But so anyway, I started doing that. And by the end, you know.

How tall are you? Five? Five. I claim five six, but not quite. Yeah. I was going to say five six. With boots on. Yeah.

Okay. Got it. Okay. So anyway, that motivated me. I started lifting weights, and by the end of my senior year, I was one of the stronger kids in our whole school, which is funny because, like I said, I was one of the smallest guys. Yeah, cool.

But when we played, I played football in high school all the way through my senior year, and I remember going out there, and it was awesome. I used to love it because everyone from the other teams would underestimate me because they're like, the kid looks like a sixth grader. Running back? No, well, I wasn't a running back. I was a wing back is what they called me. So because we were in such a small school, we had nine-man football

because there wasn't enough kids so they would put me in the slot what they would do is they would run reverses and encounters with me a lot and then i or i would go out for pass patterns and you know our my senior year i was um it's kind of what they call in the nfl like a scat back like a third down back yeah where it's like a super secret weapon you know right you don't know if they're gonna run it you don't know if they're gonna toss it reverse it and you know get you on a swing yeah so that that's imagined essentially yeah that's what it was and and so we did that and that's what they would use me for was for those type plays and

and it went well you know the thing that was really cool my senior year I our team voted on the captains right and it was the quarterback and myself were the captains and I was all conference and all this stuff and I'm like the five foot kid out there the sixth grader but how did that shape your identity I I think it just it really proved to me that it what it didn't matter like you couldn't use your size as a disadvantage or as an excuse it was like you know if you want some just gotta go for it you gotta give it everything you've got and that's probably another thing that it taught me was just committing like because I just committed to being all in and that's held up through my racing, through distance jumping, through freestyle. And that's where freestyle was really fun when I got into freestyle, because it's all about commitment. As soon as you go upside down, there's no in between doing a backflip. You either go all the way or you land on your head. So you have to be fully committed. And you know, and there's situations where you're trying to do a flip trick. And if you're not fully committed, I mean, it

turns really bad. And so my, my whole, my, I don't say my whole life, but like, it's really groomed me to this like fully committed state in whatever I want to do. And, and that reminds me now, even in, in business and anything I do, it's like fully commit, go all in on this. And that's, that in my head has been the, the pattern that's led to success. Really cool thought, because we talk about in action sports, chipping in, you know, like really needing to chip in. And when did you chip in? So chipping in, explain.

So at some point, to be extraordinary at anything, you really have to concentrate your resources, you know, and all in, so to speak. So chipping in, it's kind of, you know, like a poker move, like I'm all in, so to speak. So chipping in, it's kind of, you know, like a poker move. Like I'm, I'm all in. Okay. And I think one of the things, the trends that I've seen in action sports is that you guys do it younger than most. And it doesn't mean that professional athletes don't also chip in, but the majority of people are not professional athletes, whether it's traditional stick and ball or action and adventure sports. Most people don't chip in early i mean we're chipping in much later barely even like we're going to college moving back home you know some kids are doing so like it's happening way later but you got there early i wonder if if perhaps the reason they're they're going all in they're chipping in in action sports is simply because the risk that they're taking,

they're used to taking, um, that risk of like, I mean, cause when you're learning a new trick, if it's on a skateboard, if it's on a bike, if it's on a snowmobile, if it's on anything, you're just progressively pushing yourself right to that edge and you just keep going there. And then you get to the point where your confidence has grown so much. You know, for me, I kept thinking, you know, I go back to, there's these different big jumps in my head. When I was 14, I had a dirt bike. How many feet? I mean, it was 50 feet, 50 foot triple. And I remember I was like, I built, how could I do that? I built this jump and I'm'm like there's no way this is like and then i finally i'm like i'm doing it and i remember my bmx this is like the difference between you and

me it was like a 12 foot gap yeah bmx i was like how can i do that like oh my are you kidding how much speed do i have to get you know right at 12 feet that's all but you're you're thinking about 50 feet probably like five years younger than me right Right. But I mean, there's the, I mean, I was on motocross, I had suspension, you know, motocross bike, but, but I remember these different times. And it was like, that was the first one that really stood out. So I was, cause I didn't get a dirt bike until I was 14. So I remember that triple was the one. And then the next one that really stood out was I built a 90 foot double. And back then it was like, I didn't know how to build jumps properly. So the landing was like, it was for about a 50 foot jump now. Right. So, I mean, it was like landing on a, you know, anthill. So I was really

nervous to do it. And I didn't hit the jump for two weeks. I built it, looked at it for two weeks. I didn't hit it. And finally I'm like, I'm going for it. And I, I, uh, remember the day I told my dad, I said, dad, can you come out and watch this case? It doesn't go right. You know? So he's like, how old were you? Uh, I would have been 18 at that time. Okay. So it, which 90 feet, isn't isn't that big but it was it was like a freestyle you know kind of booter and so i go for this jump and it goes perfect i hit it maybe 10 times and then this this gives me an idea of my dad he goes he um he owned the the garbage business in our little town so he had two garbage trucks and he goes well i think i can fit the trucks in there

so he puts the two trucks end to end in there so he could stand on top of it and I could jump over him. So honey, come get a picture. Levi's going to risk his life. Yeah, this is going to look good. So that's what, you know, that's what it all started. But I mean, you go, you go to that point where you're like, I mean, you don't know if it's going to work, if it's going to work,

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for 20% off. 2011 is 400 feet. Yeah. Okay. So let's start at 50 and something that people, I think I get asked this question all the time about you guys in particular, which is, man, they're crazy. Like, like they're crazy. No, they're not. There's nothing crazy about you, Levi. You know, like, so what's missed is that you did an eight foot gap, 40 foot gap, 50 foot gap, you know, then all of a sudden, you know, 60 foot 90, 110, whatever, whatever. And so there's a progression by the time that somebody is seeing you do a 400 and some odd feet gap, right? You've already pushed a limit. So let's talk about, let's use this one. I think we're talking about 90, right? Okay.

So let's talk about 90. How do you get good at getting on the edge? Gosh, it's like for me, in the early years, you know, you're, I think you're, I don't want to say it's like the rush that you get of jumping that far, but it's the, it's the satisfaction of accomplishing it is like the motivator where you're like, and it's weird because there's like everything in your body saying, don't do this. This is scary. It's dangerous. But you're still like, like if, when you do it, it's like this incredible, incredible feeling. And I don't know if that's what, what pushed you by. And maybe if you think like, wow, if, um, you know, maybe early on you start thinking

like people think I'm cool if I do this or whatever. Um, but when I did it, I just, I just wanted to accomplish it. And I remember it really clearly when I did that, the jump over my dad's garbage trucks and stuff, it was literally, it was literally like weeks before I left. I had just been hired by Polaris as a factory rider. And I rolled a dice on this jump that's for racing so for racing yeah for racing which big big airs are not part of racing yeah it's not i mean we jump big and stuff on tabletops or whatever but not like no this was full like freestyle kind of more distance jumpy type stuntman type jump and i just i built that jump for whatever reason. And I like, you know, I'm like,

I want to jump it. Right. And so I sat on it for two weeks and I went back and forth in my head, like I probably shouldn't do it because I'm going racing and this is my, my big break. Right. I have a factory ride, you know, the whole deal in two weeks. And I'm like, gosh, you know, I got to do it. It was like eating at me so much. I had to do it. I love what you're saying because that's exactly how it feels to me. You know, whatever it is, whether it's surfing or it's even in business stuff, it's like figuring out, do I, I see it. Do I have what it takes? And that question, that challenge is like, I think I, I think I do. You know, I got to get better at this, this and this and this and this and this. And then now

I've got this really nice purpose. I've got clarity on objectives and goals and it's scary enough to keep me honest. And it's not like I'm looking for relief. I'm looking for the knowing that I, I have the ability to challenge myself right at my limit. And I don't know about you, but I don't like it when it, it goes too smoothly. I don't know if I'm making sense there, but I really love that edge and that challenge. So you, I still don't know how you do it. I think you and I are talking a bit esoterically about it. So I'm wondering if, I'm wondering if you had to put a three steps, if we condense it down to some weird way, like how do you get better? How does somebody get better at taking risk? How do you get better at taking risk? I think

a lot of it is, is it's just constant pursuit of things yet. You better and better like like you said it was the five foot jump to the 10 to the 50 to the 90 to the 412 you know you you just are constantly consuming yourself with anything and everything that is what you're after i think we're i think we're tripping on something cool which is you don't take risks if you don't have purpose right right like why would why would you risk something if it doesn't matter to you right? Right. Like why would you, why would you risk something if it doesn't matter to you? Why risk a bunch of money? If the thing that like, if money doesn't even matter, you know, or why risk life? If the thing that you're or limb in your case, life and limb, if, if it's not worth the reward. So there's gotta be some sort of purpose involved

in it. So let's, let's play with that a little bit. What is your purpose? What is my purpose? The interesting thing about my purpose is early on, I think it was just this dream of becoming a professional racer. And I actually wrote a report when I was in fourth grade about becoming a professional snowmobile racer. And I achieved that in in 2003 and I remember okay well now what's the next thing it's like I'm a pro now and it's like okay I want to try to get my first win and then from there after I got my first win it was like well I want to win a championship did you write this down or is it like goals? No, no, no. So the fourth grade report full-on did that.

But then once I got into the other ones, at that time I didn't have like written goals. But it was interesting because it was always that thought in my head. I always had this thought. And what is the book The Secret? Oh, God. Hold on. I'm gagging. Sorry. I know. I know. Don't do it. Don't do it. I know. I know. But so you, you do that. But then I started thinking about it because it was like, and I don't necessarily think like, thank it. And it's going to happen. But I think what it, what it does is, is if you're always consuming yourself

with that, that's when i think you just continue to you just continue to go towards that and you're you're having these struggles you're having these issues and what it's doing is is you're learning even more about what you're after i'm totally with that right it's not like there's some magical thing no you don't you can't think yourself to doing it but i think if you're constantly in that world, you're only going to get stronger with your thought, with everything you're doing, and you're learning that whole time. Okay, so I think what I'm hearing you say is that, no, I didn't really write my stuff down, but I was really clear on the next objective. Right. Now, would you say it to other people?

You say, okay, I want to win one or would you keep it private? So I think I kept it a little bit more private simply because of my, the, the idea in my head was, you know, what some point in racing, it taught me like, you can't, you know, you can't, like, it was almost like I would jinx it if I like would speak too openly about like, yeah, I'm going to win. And it was almost like too arrogant is maybe what it made me feel by saying something like that. So it was kind of more still. Yeah. I keep it private too. There's something about like it, to me, it loses some punch. It's almost like I'm doing a disservice to it when I say it out loud. And it never really is received properly. And then lately, maybe even the last five years, I've been going against that a little bit. And I've been saying to folks like, you know, like on my team and whatever, like, you know, hey, guys, what do you think about this? You know, like this sounds, this fires Hey guys, what do you think about this? You know, I like this sounds,

this fires me up. What do you think? And it's not like this arrogant thing, like I'm going to, or we should, or some BS statement like that, but could you get some energy around this too? Like what, what could, and so then it starts to, for me, it's almost been like a collaborative vision. And I don't know if you agree with the statement because you're an individual sport athlete, but nobody does the extraordinary alone. No, not at all. I mean, that's, you know, oftentimes talk about even the distance jump in regards to that. It's like you can find any knucklehead to hold the throttle wide open and hit the jump. But to get a snowmobile to go that fast and

to land you know that take an impact that hard i mean you got to have a quite a team and then even going further with the the run in the ramp the landing i mean there were so many different elements to doing that jump so like the way i like to think about is like there's an epicenter which is let's call it the landing is the hard part is that fair or is it the yeah the takeoff the approach i would say the landing they're equally right if you take off four degrees wrong like 12 degrees wrong we got problems right right okay but anyways let's say that let's just say the landing right now um and then we work like in concentric circles outward and backwards is that not that far from the actual difficulty of the capability to land it is like your support structure right and then not that far from

that is like the intimate relationships so the intimate relationship is not necessarily at the landing with you somehow maybe in a weird metaphysical way it is but like these concentric circles that support the extraordinary are really the fabric of them is really important. So I still don't have a pin that I can put like right in the center of how you take risk, but I think, I think we're saying purpose. I think we're saying clarity of like the, using your imagination of what a goal around that purpose could be. It feels like this practicing of getting on the edge and the edge is shorthand maybe for being scared, you know, not quite sure if you can necessarily do the thing, but you

think you probably could do the thing. I think a lot of, a lot of it is just preparation. I'm like a firm believer in working hard and practicing and getting, you know, just building yourself, building your but you've taken the time to learn, you know, what, how can I make this the easiest or how can I get the closest to, uh, achieving it without making it as risky? You know what I mean? So I think the more you prepare for the task at hand, the less risky it becomes. And that's where, you know, whenever it came to freestyle, let's say like freestyle is all about repetition. The more you do it,

the more muscle memory you get, the better it is. So I would just sit out there and just jump, jump, jump, jump, jump. And it was apparent to me when we had a gentleman come in to fill my void or fill my spot on the team after I was injured. And he came in, he practiced at my at my compound and he went out and he did six jumps into the foam pit, six of them. And I was laying I was inside on the recliner because I couldn't lay in a bed or anything. So I talked to him just before he left. And a half hour later, he's back inside and he's like, yeah, I'm all done riding. And I'm like, what did you even jump? And he's like, about six times.

And I heard, you know, tweak my back a little, he said. And he kind of went in that routine for a couple of days. And my dad and my buddies that helped me. So my dad, he did that, you know, maybe a second or third time. My dad finally said, what do you mean you're done? Levi be out here. He jumped a hundred times in the pit, like keep jumping, you know? So it was interesting because like he, after he saw that, um, it was very, very neat to see. His name's Daniel Boding. He's a good friend now.

But when he first started, he was going to say, yeah, I'm done. I tweaked my back a little bit. By the end of practice, he's got a bloody nose, and his hands are all chewed up from jumping in the foam pit, and he learned brand new tricks. And up to that point, he was fourth place at X games four years in a row. And then that year he came on our team and he went through kind of the treatment. Um, he won two gold medals at X games that year. What a cool testament to culture, to environment that you created, that was part of how you came

up. And so if there was, there's no magic, if there's no seven steps to anything, right. But what do you think the core ingredients are for a successful, progressive, pushing human potential, exploring whatever, you know, phraseology we can get in there for creating an environment where people can really, truly flourish. It's trying to achieve a mindset where you're, you're willing to go all in, like we said, chip in and you're, you're going to go in where to the manner where you're going to try to learn, consume yourself with everything so you can learn. And then you have the mindset of like, I'm not going to stop working until I get there. Okay. That relentlessness, my experience, at least I haven't seen it work other than this way, what I'm about to say. So I don't know if you'll counter it, but that relentless chip all in consequential environment, small knickknack environment doesn't come in a flowery way.

Oh, it's okay. You could do another one. Hey, you know, it's okay. You know, it's like, I don't know. Iron sharpens iron. Like it's hard. It's a razor's edge and it's hard. And so I don't know if i'm doing it wrong so i i look at you and i'm like

dude you i think you still hold a record do you still hold the record yeah world record in something that is highly consequential and i'm i want to look at you and say okay how do you get better at taking risks micro risks not that different than major risks but let's call it micro risks and then you know because that's part of the courage muscle. And then what does the ecosystem look, feel, smell, sound like that supports that risk taking improvement building. So I'd love for you just to teach on that for a little bit. Yeah. I mean, the way that I've always, I've always looked at it is I've always thought of it as, okay, I've done everything I can to prepare. And now it's just trust, trust what you've done,

trust you that you're trust your ability, trust the work and just go and, and do it. How do you earn self-trust? I think it's based off of those little wins. That's right. I think the same thing. And then I think it comes from what you say to yourself, but it's got to be backed in some real stuff. Right.

Okay. So what do you say to yourself about yourself? I just say I always just tell myself I'm like I'm- You're smiling. I'm totally, I'm smiling. It's funny because I, I, I tried to, you know, I, I, it's hard to say when you're, you're trying to stay as humble as you can. Right. Humility, a big character strength of yours. What's that humility. Is that a big, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. I, you know, I think being humble is, is a huge thing. And, but at the same

time, you have to have the confidence in yourself where you're just like, man, I can do anything. And it's funny because I've taken what we've done with, with racing, the success we've had in racing, the success we've had in freestyle, the, in business that the businesses that we have, and I just look at it and I go, a lot of times I go, well, what do I need to know? And how can I learn it? Where can I learn it? And I'll figure it out. Like, so it's like, I feel I'm capable of doing anything. Where'd you figure that out? That's cool. So that, that capability of being resourceful, you know, that goes a long way in any industry. Absolutely. That's a life characteristic of successful people.

Like, okay, you could drop me anywhere in the world. I'm going to figure it out now. Exactly. It's having that, you know, and that it's, it's the people you're around too. Like I've been fortunate enough to have some really good influences over the years. Like my, my partner in the race team, he's a successful, successful business owner, you know, his multiple business does really well. And I've learned a lot from him. And I think one of the things with, with people is, is I think there's, um, I think there's something that we oftentimes overlook is the fact that everyone you meet knows something

that you don't, right. So if you, even if it's bad, right. So I think, I think it was Jim Rohn that mentioned it was like, if you know a guy that completely threw away his life, spend two hours and talk with him, find out how he did it wrong. Now, you know what not to do, you know? So if we use that mindset of everything you hear, don't take it like that's the way to do it. But if you take it as like that's your lesson to learn, is that right? Is that wrong? And you decide from your judgment, is this a good way to go or a bad way?

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So I've done this, this, and this. I'm pretty sure I can do that. Even though I haven't done that. Right. But I've done this, this, and this, I'm pretty sure I can do that. Even though I haven't done that. Right. But I've done this, this, and this, and this, you know, it's like your confidence. That's your, your booster to say, I've, I've been able to achieve these things. Why can't I do this? And oftentimes I look at, I look at people, uh, I look at task and I go, well, if they can do it, why can't I? Okay. So you also compare your, that's another appraisal. Like you have an inventory of what you've done and then you look at them and you say, well, if they can do that, I think I'm better. Or if they can do that, I can at least do that.

Yeah. I always just look at it like, not to say like, I think others aren't, you know, good at what they do or whatever but I always like I kind of judge it on a lot of things and sometimes not not judge I mean like break it down I break it down where I'm like I ask myself like okay well if it's like a hands-on type project I feel like pretty confident I can do most things and but then I look well do I need it to be perfect because if it's like perfect I know that they may be a master at it so it's like it's going to take me a long time to figure out how to do that if I need it like just done I can make that happen but but other things it's like I think about

you know more so in business now I just look at like how can I what what do I need to learn and I from other people that I'm around you go okay this is I need to be able to, what do I need to learn? And I, from other people that I'm around, you go, okay, this is, I need to be able to, to do this. I need to be able to network better. I need to, whatever it may be. And then you just start looking at people that are doing well at that. And you go, you cue in on what, why, what are they doing? That's different.

Or what do you like that stands out? And you just kind of journal that. Journal. That's where I was going. Do you, is this in your head that you're breaking things out? And you just kind of journal that. Journal. That's where I was going. Do you, is this in your head that you're breaking things down? Do you talk about it? Do you write about it? Like, how do you process what you're observing?

Lots of notes. You do take lots of notes? Yeah, lots of notes. Mostly digital? Yeah, mostly digital. Just simply because it's with, you know, you know, it's everywhere. My note section, I write a lot down too. My note section's not well organized do you

like how do you organize them i use a microsoft one note i do too because it's like a book yeah it's and then you break it into chapters and then pages and so i do a lot of yeah i've got like life tabs i've got sport you know sports stuff i've got business tabs like it's great like for that it's like a microsoft plug they are they are um a partner in my other business that's been phenomenal yeah they're i i i don't remember where i was turned on to that but once i realized it was just like a big notebook you know i i i'll be honest i think like paper books i have a better better retention of learning yeah it's the evidence is there too. Yeah, for sure. I do. The issue is, is like, I don't have it with me everywhere. You know, to tote a notebook around everywhere you go is not realistic, you know, unless it's a little one,

which then you don't have a, you know, you fill that up in a week or something. Yeah. I'm with you on that. Okay. All right. Let's get back to ecosystem though. Here's maybe another way to get at this is let's take six people that have been influential for you. Dad's one of them, right? Mom's probably one of them as well. I don't want to, I don't want to assume for you, but what did dad install into the environment? What phrase, what ideology, like what did he install? And I want to do that for like, I don't know, five or six people maybe. Yeah. So my dad in particular, there's two different things that he's really instilled in me. It was, and it's, it wasn't like he, he was never like pushy. It was not even racing. You know, you hear a lot of people like the,

the dad or the parents are like pushing on them. Like you got to win. You know, we got a lot into this. He was never pushy with that. But the thing that, um, that I always took from it was he, he always worked, always worked hard. And like, it was like he worked, I remember it clear as day or the first year we were racing in the mod class, you know, we had mod snowmobile and big motors, modifications, modification, modded out sled. And I remember we were struggling to get this thing to run. So there we are, it's 10 o'clock, it's midnight. It's two in the morning. It's four in the morning. Finally, I'm like, I'm bowing out. I'm, I'm dying off here. So I go inside and I wake up. I woke up at 830 to a mod motor and their loudest can be brought this thing's crazy. And I can hear it running up and down the road. And I go out there and he's like, I got it. I got it figured out,

you know? And, and that's just how it was. It was like, there was never, it was never like, like stop. It was like, let's do it until we get it figured out. Let's, we're going to get this figured out. And he just wouldn't stop. And that's, you know, that it really, it really kind of like made me think more about like, you just do it till you figure it out and you're going to find a way. And that's what I always think about my dad. He's, he's, he's very mechanical. He loves being in the shop and he loves just like the, the most obnoxious thing where you're like, oh, that's going to be just terrible. And he's like, he just wants to, I think it almost motivates him more to like prove,

like watch, I'll figure it out. So you've got a lot of your dad in you, that resourcefulness, that relentlessness, and that like chip, like watch. You've got a lot of your dad in you. Absolutely, absolutely. Dad was like, and then the other element that my dad, he's very, he's a wild man in regards to cars and everything he's burnouts

and he's just he's very like you know kind of the i don't know what you would say if there's a crowd of people he's the one that wants to do the burnout and go sideways by him to get him to chuckle right so that kind of showmanship is kind of like the you got a lot of that yeah so that's where it all kind of started was from that okay and that's what led me to you know kind of guided my career through this all which was unique because i started off all i did was race snowmobiles right and but the whole time i was racing i was the kid that was out there throwing tricks over the finish line and all these other things and and and then once i was introduced to freestyle and i actually did that i succeeded almost immediately i started in october and

january was the biggest event of the year x games and i won two gold medals there and and it so it was like wow that i think i was supposed to be doing that right but all along that same time i still raced and i was still successful and then the year after that i won uh we won the snow cross championship which is the most elite racing championship to win in snowmobiling and so but it it was it was kind of, I, I found, you know, freestyle and even the distance jumping was more like, I think that came easier than the racing, but the, the hard work ethic was what brought success in racing, you know, even though it was like, maybe not the, my calling or maybe not the thing that I was meant to do, but it taught me a lot and help cool, help the transition.

What mom install? Um, mom is, she is more, I would say detail orientated and more, she's helped a lot more, um, just in like,

I don't want to say the business side, but she's,'s she makes you think more about like all right make sure you're setting yourself up for the future make sure you know you're not wasting your money make sure you're you're kind of doing that stuff so it's a more realistic approach sounds like to be married to your dad she has to yeah she does she definitely takes a more realistic approach to things yeah to and like harnesses my dad so i'm like i have like these two different animals in me like going to go for it man and it's like well you know that's gonna cost some money yeah yeah okay so it's probably a good combination

of that but but so that my mom has been really good with, with that type of stuff to keep me, I don't want to say grounded, but keep me a little bit more, um, not going too far to one extreme of, you know, I'm, I'm a jumper, I'm a wild man and going that lifestyle. It's like, be more realistic, but, and maybe that's even helped with kind of analyzing what you're doing. So I'm like very, I would say I'm very like aware of things, you know, rare. And that even goes further nowadays because everything you do is a video or picture away because everyone has it. So I'm like very around in my surroundings now of like what's going on.

Like, so, you know, if I'm like, Hey, we should do a sweet burnout right here. I'm like, well, is there any cops or anything? Yeah. Right. Yeah. Right. Okay. Cool.

All right. Um, any other main themes and people that maybe have installed really important parts of your framework? I've had a couple influences that were like unknowing, like people didn't know anything about it, which, uh, my, my teammate, I had a teammate TJ Gula, which he was, um, he came in and I dislocated my wrist right before season, so he came in to fill in for a couple races until I was finished. He comes in, and he nearly wins a race, so then they hire him on for the full season. Well, then he's going better than me. He's now the fast guy.

I was supposed to be the number one guy on the team. So now TJ's doing better than I am. And I'm like, so all of a sudden you like, you kind of like, well, this is my rival. This is the main guy. Like, you know, which there's a little tension there for a couple of years. And I just remember the things that I learned from him just from paying attention to, you know, to ultimately try to, to be better, um, then him on the team. And after three years, you know, there was kind of this, like, we both were like going at it head to head. Like if you're going to do 10 or you're going to do a hundred pushups, I'll do 110. If you, you know, it's whatever it is, we'll just keep doing this. And it came to the point where we both were successful. The one year we, we want, there's whatever it is, we'll just keep doing this. And it came to the point where we both were successful.

The one year we, we want, there's two, uh, snow cross championships at the time. And, uh, we won the two pros pro ones. He won one, I won the other. And there was like this mutual respect then where we're like, you know what? What a gift. I mean, it was, it was incredible to have that influence, um, at that time in my career. And it, and it definitely helped elevate me. And, you know at that time in my career. And it, and it definitely helped elevate me. And, you know, Travis Pastrana is another one just, and this is from watching,

just watching X games, right? Just seeing the manner that he went about things. He wins, I think it was nine or 2006, four events he's in, does a double backflip in one um wins freestyle the other and then he wins rally car and i the thing that stood out like one like goes for the double backflip makes that which was everybody was telling him were you there oh yeah like do you remember everyone saying don't do it absolutely don't do it it's not worth it it was and and sure enough yeah he stuck that thing and yeah i think that was like it was i really really liked that or that year alone really like made me kind of look at things different because not only did he was he successful in that but he was very humble about it all and very very well spoken but the thing that stood out was when he won rally car and he won rally car and colin mccray was like the rally rally guy

right colin rolls his car midway through the lap or right at the last couple turns from the end rolls his car lands on wheels, comes in and, and still almost won, you know, ends up getting second. But I remember Travis, the interview after he's like, he's like, I'm, it's just an honor to be here with these guys. These are the best athletes in the world. And Travis had just won gold medal and he could have been like, yeah, I'm the man, like one three out of four. And, you know, he could have, he could have went down that road, but he was so, it was just so, um, you know, so well-spoken in the manner that he's like praising all of the competitors for what they did. And, and the fact that he was even in them, in their racing, not alone winning in that. And that like stood out to me, like, you know,

that's a pretty, it's a pretty class act. And that was kind of a good, you of travis but like what story comes to mind that's been and it can be heavy light fun whatever but what comes to mind um a personal one or i'll go to the one you just had go there what is yeah what is that one well i mean there i don't know i mean i don't i i guess i'm not sure what what one has been really influential to me just a moment that comes up right now yeah i mean there's all kinds of media mind off it when i think about i think about a lot of different things because you know that that moment when you know that i just talked about with with travis and how he was a class

act in that, you know, prior to that, when I was a teenager, I wasn't like necessarily thinking in that mindset. I was more thinking, you know, at that time I was influenced by the motocross movies, Krusty Demons of Dirt and a little bit edgier type style. Right. So I think back on, on like the Seth Ensl's and Kerry Hart's who are a little bit more bad boys than motocross and how you know I kind of started going down that road a little bit and then I realized like that's totally not me and I and then I think when when I saw Travis at X Games and and how he was just doing phenomenal, and yet he wasn't talking trash.

He was just doing a work and letting the results speak for themselves. And that's where I really learned, like, you don't have to talk about it. You just go and do it, and it'll say enough. How many tattoos do you have? I have one tattoo. I'm surprised. Yeah, and it was, it was literally from back in that timeframe. Yeah. I'm surprised because your industry is

littered with tattoos, you know, like, I don't know who was the first person to put it on their neck, but there's a lot of neck tattoos, you know? Um, and there's a lot of doodle art on faces now, you know, and like knuckles and whatever, but I don't see your tattoo. That's why I asked. Like, I don't see if I didn't, I wouldn't imagine you had a tattoo. So you had one back then and then I'm just curious what it was. So originally, originally it was, uh, it said launch and Levi, which was my nickname. Okay. Launch and Levi from jumping. So, and I thought it was really cool. And the thing that was probably the favorite after it happened was they spelt it wrong. No, you have one of those?

Oh, God. Where is it? It's on my shoulder here. And so I thought it would. How do you spell? Wait, you can't spell Levi wrong. No. So they spelled launch and how I would spell it was L-A-U-N-C-H-I-N and just leave the G off, right?

Instead of launching. And he just took the I out too. So it just said launch N. I love it. Oh my God. And, you know, I had my little thing all drawn out on paper and he had to to re redo it on to trace paper and i didn't i'm like oh yeah it looks pretty good and so anyway so he did that and then it was like a joke so then it was like a joke which i i thought it was kind of funny because at that point you're

like what do you do so i'm like you know we're we're, we're young, we're 18, whatever. And everybody's getting tattoos. Oh, look at my new tattoo. Look at this. I said, look at mine. They spelled it wrong. So that was pretty fun. You made fun of it. You didn't have a, like a buyer's remorse. No, no. I just like, I chalked it up as like, well, probably not the best decision. Right. And then I just kind of left it at that and then later on uh later on I I had it covered and probably not even by my choice it was uh the gentleman that I was staying with I moved out to California and was living living with uh Jerry Bernardo and he's like dude you got to get rid of that thing and I'm like I think it's kind of funny

and he's like oh so I'm like okay so I was 20 at that time and I went and had it covered. And now it's like a, you know, it's like a He-Man symbol is what it more or less is. So anyway, I haven't, I didn't really get into it. I had that one. My dad has one tattoo on his shoulder as well. And now I'm like, you know, I probably, I wouldn't get another one. I was talking to a guy in in the NBA and he says Mike you can't it's like not permitted you can't get a tattoo after age 28 yeah he's laughing he's like

after 20 like forget about it right I mean that's for like his industry his whatever it's he was making a joke of it because I'm sure he's probably still getting them but anyways I don't have any tattoos like I don't know what it was like it was something i was not into yeah i had to be honest i i wouldn't like i wouldn't like tell my kids like yeah this is a good idea you should get it i'm gonna say you know there's a lot i don't want to say consequence but it's you know you're i would just say you know it's there it's not going away the inability to see long-term sagging skin and certain parts of the body and like you know but some art is like beautiful there are some really nice ones yeah so i you know i'm captivated by the permanency of beautiful art on skin i am captivated by it, let's, let's do this kind of clear the palette.

If we had some ginger that doesn't clear a palette, what do you, what do you clear a palette with like a glass of water or something like it? We'll clear the palette right now. What, what is the single most difficult moment in your life? Single most difficult moment I think I think early on maybe when I was in when I was in high school like not even high school it was like ninth tenth grade middle school is that middle school ninth that's high school whatever yeah okay so high school I remember like being I remember kind of being in outcasts like I wasn't maybe as popular like

there was a lot of a lot of people in you know in a small school there was a lot of, a lot of people in, you know, in a small school, there was a lot of people that were getting into drinking and, and doing other things like that. And I, I chose not to. And, and I remember feeling like an outsider and I had one good friend and we just like, we kind of did our own thing. We started racing sleds. We started doing that. And it was, that was like a really, really hard thing because it feeling like I wasn't accepted or that no one really liked me or whatever it, that was like tough. But I think from that, I think it helped me grow. And, and what it did is I remember, I remember from that, it turned into, you know, kind of changing gears, instead of thinking about that, I thought more about like, how, you know, how can you help people? How can

you do things? Right. And it was as simple as, I remember buying, you know, in high school, back then, it was like, you always had to have chewing gum. Right. So I remember I would go, and everyone would be, you know, hey, you got a piece of gum? And you're like, oh, I got like three pieces. No, I'm not going to do it. So I remember I just started getting a full big pack of gum and I would just, anyone asked, I'd just give it to them, right?

And then I would sit out in the hallway in between classes and I would just say like, hey, high five. I would just high five everyone that walked down, no matter what they were, whatever. And I remember seeing some of the kids that, that, you know, weren't really in, into sports or anything else. And I'd like throw a high five and they'd look at me weird the next day. I'd be like, no, I would say, no worries. And we'll get you next time. And the next day I'd be out there again and then they would sneak a little high five. And I think what it just having that moment where prior to to that, like where I was kind of like. I didn't I didn't want to or I felt like I wasn't accepted.

It made me grow in as a person and be be kinder to people, but also it motivated me to focus on other things. And that turned into, you know, racing. Like I put my energy towards racing, put my energy towards, you know, just trying to be better to people. And it eventually, you know, I learned a lot from that. I think I learned positive attitude, you know, once I kind of changed that thought of like okay if no one likes you like why be grumpy about it just just keep a good attitude through anything and that those type things all kind of started a little bit and then as i got into probably 2000 2002 is when I like, when I first had my first real big breakthrough in racing and we were privateers. And I remember my parents told me, they said, Hey, if, if you don't get a ride next year, like we can't afford to do this. Like there's, you know, at that point, they're my

biggest sponsor, you know, they're helping pay for this stuff. So they said, we can't afford to do this. We're already taking money out of our retirement to do this. So if you don't make it, you know, and, and that motivated me to start working harder. And the other thing it did is it changed. It made me think back on like, okay, so what did I do in high school? Um, you know, I started to be nicer to people, have more positive outlook on things and that helps. So then I just remember, I was like, well, if this is going to be my last year racing, I'm going to at least have fun doing it. And I just looked at, it changed my mindset of like, instead of being angry about things,

it was like, okay, well, if you keep a good attitude about it and more of like, how can I fix this? Or how can I, you know, like something bad happened, you go, okay, well, what can I do to, or what was the positive? What can I learn from that? And how can I make that better? And that's where it all, those, those couple of years there from, you know, say 10th grade until I was 19. So maybe 16, 15 to 19 was really these years of, of growing and where I learned a lot. And then that just, and maybe it taught a little bit more of, of, um, trying to look at the situation you're in and where, where you sit doing a little audit on yourself every once in a while going,

Oh, okay. This is what's going on. I hear that. And what's happening for me as I'm listening, I'm like, wow. Well, Oh yeah, that's cool. That's a good response. Wow. That's cool too. And I had this kind of thread throughout it, which was the world is better because you're in it. Like you went through a really awkward, lonely, depressed, isolated state. You didn't stay there too long. I want to open that up a little bit. other side, like with a brilliant insight, which research would suggest is a great strategy is to actually just do kind things for other people. Like volunteering is one of the, um, evidence-based approaches for helping with depression. How about it? Right. Exercise is another one for sure. Super

simple. Uh, food is another medication is one uh and obviously you know cognitive behavioral therapy or training psychotherapy you know talk therapy is is another um i'm missing one but all that being said is what was that loneliness like how did you manage that because you also didn't come out the other side of it. Like, huh? Showing you, huh? Yeah. You know, like, look at me.

I got a trophy. Yeah. Look at me. I'm in the magazine. You know, you didn't come out that just that really lame Hollywood-esque away, you know, or way about yourself. You didn't do that. So, so how did you, what was that? Was it isolation? Was it depressed? Was it loneliness? What was that darker side? When it, I think when it would, for me, when it was not, you know, like those early, those earlier years and of maybe not feeling accepted or whatever it may be,

I just remember feeling like, I don't like this at all. And it kind of made me, I think now or since then, made me think more about like, I don't want to put anyone else in that spot. I don't want to, I try to think more about the situation and like, well, are they going to like feel them feelings? Like, I don't want to ever put that on someone. Compassion and empathy. Yeah. Right. So you have it.

Yeah. Yeah. So was, did you get that from mom or dad? Um, I maybe, I think my dad, it's really random my dad didn't think you were gonna say that it's really weird because my dad is like he's he's like he's like this like wildcard meet your dad it's unreal so he i mean a great example i'll give you an idea so he uh he his house and stuff is about maybe a quarter mile down this dirt road. So you go in through the woods and it opens up.

You still live on your block? I still live. So we live, you know, I'm three hours north of Minneapolis. So it's the middle of the woods, lakes and stuff. So my parents, they live on, you know, you go down this dirt road about a quarter mile and they own like half of this field. So then after a while, I bought the other half of the field and built my compound, all my dirt bike tracks and snow cross tracks and all this other stuff. And my shop is there, and then I live like three miles away.

But anyway, so my dad, he's at his shop, and's this, this pickup comes driving in and he comes with a puppy and he goes, Hey, I found your puppy. It was out by the road. Dad looked at it and he goes, well, it's not my puppy, but I'll keep, I'll take it. So, so he like takes this puppy in and which later we found out it was a gentleman, um, had his dog had puppies and he just put them on the side of the road like that and left them. Right. Which not very cool. So anyway, the one puppy ended up over by the road. Dad took him in. And the funny thing was, is, you know, dad names

him Bruno. And Bruno ended up turning into like a local celebrity in our little town and he was featured on the news and he's has a statue in our little town of longville um there's a statue of bruno and he would run because he would run to town every day which is like four miles he'd run to town going to town and he knew everyone in there and then before long cause we're kind of more of a touristy little town and before long, tourists would be like, Oh, there's Bruno, you know,

and they would be petting him and, and whatnot. So anyway, he's like very, he's very, uh, I don't know. What do I want to say?

Like just caring and friendly to like in a weird way so that i think it's where part comes from what a great influence he's had on you yeah okay this is great i am also surprised you surprised me a handful of times already like i'm surprised the hardest moment in your life wasn't 2011 no i think i mean when i crashed in 2011 it was a big moment it was a big moment the funny thing about it was so i have this 2011 where it's like you know there went my my biggest dream it just let's let's go through it let's go through the whole thing yeah so i there i am i you know i'm able to be part of the rebel new year, no limits, which is this hour long live TV show on this one feet. Right. And it was going to be, that feet was going to be me jumping world record snowmobile jump in San Diego. And I, you know, I'm like, this is, this is it right here. This is like what I've all the racing, you know, I've had X games medals and stuff like that, but I'm like, this is it right here this is like what i've all the racing you know i've had x games medals and stuff like that but i'm like this is it this is all this whole thing is like you know

i'm i'm on the big stage so i i go into this and my mindset at the time was like i i'll do whatever it takes like if i die doing this i die doing it because I'm going for it. For real. And legitimately was like, I'm going. 400 and how many feet? 412 feet. So this was... So why would you do that?

Why would you risk your life? What were you risking it for? I don't know if it's that... If it's just that, you know, you... At that point, I had won a snow cross championship and we had x games medals you know gold medals and stuff like that and it was just like i maybe i part of it like a good a good thing was i remember a red bull good sponsor or a good partner of ours for many years they um they sent out this

performance thing and they would say it would say then what's your goals and they would say what's your ultimate goal was right up on the top and I would say what's your you know goal for this year racing mentally all these other things but I remember writing on what my ultimate goal was. And my goal was to be, to be bigger than the sport of snowmobiling. And the idea, like how I thought of that was at that time, Sean White was winning gold medals every year and everything he did. And it was just Sean White and you think snowboard and you think Sean White. And that's what I was thinking is like, I want when people think snowmobile and I want them to think Levi LaValle. And, and, and that's like, that was, I'm like, I'm going, you know, world record jump after doing all these other things. That's what it was going to be. And the interesting thing is once I had the crash and even, you know, even after that, I, I mean, as soon as that happened,

and then, you know, we were in the hospital for a week and, you know, I had collapsed both my lungs, broke all my ribs, fractured three vertebrae, fractured my pelvis, knocked myself out. And like, I don't remember three days of all that. remember hitting the jump but I I just remember coming to and then you know we the recovery after that and then the brain training stuff and all the different things that came with that it really like was an eye-opener going you know what I I don't want to die I don't like I really like I really like what i'm doing but it what it made me do is it made me focus a lot more on the details which i was already pretty detail orientated but then it made me like really like i want to know everything just to make sure what went wrong

on the jump because this was in practice yeah in practice we had a video you've watched the video yes yeah the videos i think did we watch it together um probably the opto opto the crash yeah the full edit isn't or the full one i don't think is out it's not available it just goes you can go it goes right up until like i start and until i come off the sled yeah yeah so let's also be clear like for folks listening this is not you and i never had like a patient client thing right but i don't even remember how it happened it was we're kind of in the hallway together you know at um at a mutual center so i was with Red Bull at the time and they're like, Hey, um, you guys should meet. And I think it was just one conversation, but it was

super great conversation for me. Yeah. It's all, you know, it's, it's fun when, for me, I enjoy talking to people that are, you know, like that can talk about the stuff that I'm interested in. Yeah. Right. You know, cause I'm all, I'm very interested in, in, you know, trying to progress as a person in, in all areas, you know, and, and that's, um, it's always fun to hear that insight and that's why maybe I should stop talking and you should, I should be asking you questions. Yeah. So that being said is you came back from one of the most catastrophic injuries, you know, like you weren't paralyzed. Um, you know, you didn't have permanent brain damage, but the rehab back and the ability to face down another ramp or even get on a sled, that's's that's a significant piece of work that you've

been through coming back from that crash was it the mental side of it was probably by far the hardest simply because knowing like the style of crash that i had going you know having the engine cut out and having the nose go down and then then like, literally I jumped over the handlebars and landed on my side. Like, I mean, imagine if you were laying in bed, that's how I landed on the ground from 105 mile an hour, 360 plus foot jump. So I like lunged myself off the sled before it hit the ground so my body probably i probably did a 380 foot jump to my side is what i did and in the fact that i'm alive was like it's like pretty incredible and why did you jump off what's that why'd you jump off i jumped off because i knew there was no way that the sled that that i would be able to stay with the sled in and i mean that it was a split second second

decision because you go well your best bet is to stay with the machine if you can land on it because it'll absorb some of that impact but if you if you know for sure it's going to go into a cartwheeling like that i knew for sure that it was going to cartwheel and it would have just tomahawked me into the ground. So I tried to get away from it then, because then the machine goes from being the cushion to a weapon. Yeah. At those speeds, like if it hits you, that's, that's probably life and death for sure. Yeah. So I push away from it. And when I hit the ground, my body skipped over a hundred feet on the first one and before it touched down the second time.

And, you know, that's where I, I imagine I busted the majority of the ribs on that initial impact. And it literally accordion my chest. I have like my, my chest here is like kind of bulges out now because it squeezed everything together. And, you know, then I began to roll to a stop. And I remember, or I don't remember any of it, but from the video, my wife, she come running out to me and they intercepted her because they don't want you to touch the mess with me. Cause you know, you don't know if I have back injury or neck injury or anything like that. So after I came to three days later in the hospital, I'm like, Whoa, what happened? And they're like, we had a crash. And then they kind of broke it

down to me. And, but coming back from that, the issue I had was it was more, you know, probably from the concussion and hitting my head, but I couldn't focus on things. And that took, it took a while while to of the brain training and everything else to get back and and then it was and specifically we're talking about eeg work that you were doing right like neurofeedback training correct yeah that's right correct and and it really helped and you know the the thing that that looking back on that like if we wouldn't have done that there's no way i would have been able to do it's a great tool yeah it really did help out a lot we had a great team yeah you know we're not a great team it really was yeah that was really fun leslie sherlin

andy walsh pair lundstrom you know dr bray yeah. It was a great team. Yeah. So, so that one, that was really key to the comeback. And then, um, you know, you have these, uh, you know, there's all the chatter in your brain after something that goes wrong and to try to silence that, that's like probably the biggest feat is you're saying, okay, you, you realistically probably should be dead. And now you're talking about wanting to, to come back and do this again, who's saying it's not going to happen. Who's, you know, there's all these things and you start battling that. And that's where, you know, in my, I started over, we went back, you know, where we got a new engine, which I thought would remedy the problem. And Polaris really stepped up. They like built this whole new engine for me. And,

and so I felt confident in that part. And as far as like building the confidence up, I just started jumping small again. And you build that up like this is going right, this is going right. And you just keep building. And we had a really good team of guys around us. And I kind of knew that like after the first year, when we had the crash, everything was going great. It was just the engine let us down. Right. So I just said, if we can fix that, why can't we do it again? And that's what I kept telling myself is like, yes, you almost died last year. But if we fix that one issue, why wouldn't it work? You know what I mean? I believe I'm more

than capable of my skills to do it. And I know this team is the best there is. So it's like, if we can fix that engine, we're in good shape. And that, you know, you have to, you have to look past the fear of all the negative thoughts, the, you know, even maybe naysayers if there are, and say, trust in the process, trust in what you have, trust in your team. And, you know, the beauty of it was we came back after that devastating crash and one year later, we not only were able to go back and do the jump successfully, but we broke the record for the longest snowmobile jump and the longest jump in history.

And we were the first to ever jump over 400 feet. And the thing that's really cool as a snowmobiler was that was the first time in history that anything had jumped further than a motorcycle. That's awesome. It's so good. Like I'm grinning ear to ear because the work to come back from something like that is a significant, like I said, a significant piece of work. And so nice job being able to trust your process, which is like, we started the conversation 10 feet, 40 feet, 80 feet, nine, you know, like, and just build, build, build, like really cool.

It's like you had a second lifetime, you know, like a whole nother process with all of this ridiculous internal skill. And you just started over bite size and until you, you know, figure it out. Yeah. And that's really, you know, going back to all of it. It's like, I always like kind of, I have this thing that I just tell myself, I'm like, all right, first be aware of the problem, come up with a plan and then do it and do it.

And it's like very simple. That's just like, it's about as easy as it gets. But a lot of times it's, you know, being aware of the problem. And in that situation, sometimes you can get over um i don't want to say overconfident you get where you're like here i used to be here and now i'm not there and maybe that you'll have the fear of like well maybe i'm not ready to jump three or like at the first nine out of ten yeah now i'm at seven out of ten and lower and instead of like humbling yourself and, and the, the humility to take that step back and say, okay, I need to go back through and go through the

basics to build myself from that seven back to a nine. It, that's like sometimes the hardest struggle. And, and I see that now as a team owner in racing, like we have riders and they'll be, you know, very successful young. And my thought with that is they, you know, when you're young, all you're doing is you're racing and you're not thinking too deep into things. You're just like, I'm racing. This is fun. And you're just enjoying it. So it's like, it's really easy to do the work. So then all of a sudden you have some success. Then you having success is almost, is almost as hard as trying to get there because now you've set this benchmark. Like I have, I'm this guy, I'm, I'm a winner,

right? Well, then you show up the next season and somebody else was working and they caught up to you and you're like, well, I used to, I used to beat them all the time. Who am I now? Yeah. And then all of a sudden you start getting this doubt and all this stuff. Am I losing it? Yeah. And you go backwards. Yeah. I mean, it's such a.

Success and failure. You know, like those two imposters, as we call them, are problematic in growth. Absolutely. You know, working a progressive process is really where most of the joy is. It's a cool celebration to get a trophy, right? You know, it's cooler. You really have to enjoy that. Yeah. It's the knowing that you understand what it takes to put yourself in the position to your, your support mechanism to be strong, you know, for you to be nimble and strong as well. It's the knowing of what it takes. That's far more rewarding than hoisting the trophy. It's

a cool moment, but it's the knowing. And that's like probably the hardest thing to tell. Uh, maybe it hasn't hoisted though. Yeah. But it's hard to tell an athlete that because you, I mean, very few people like, Oh, when you say you got to like enjoy the process, you got to enjoy it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they'll go, there ain't nothing about sitting on that rowing machine for 30 minutes and sweating. There ain't nothing about that that I like. And you're like, no, company, but they got into snowmobiling for a minute. And so I had the opportunity to go to Morgan Hills, California,

and go to the Fox headquarters there. And, and I remember talking to, uh, her name was Sandra Ager and she was like in charge of the athlete manager for me. And I remember she said, you know, I said something about training. And she said, you know, you have to enjoy that because now all I want to do is try to work out because, you know, I have a desk job. And all I do is want to work out and I can't because I don't have time. And it's like you can't think like, like this is work. Like you should enjoy that. And I just thought, I'm like, there's no way I don't like anything about this. But as I get further along now, I'm like, you know, that whole process of training and

making your body stronger and better. Like I really, um, I really look, I really want that more because now it's more business driven and I'm more of a desk jockey than ever. And sometimes for me, like I, I get the phrase and I think it's really hard, like you're saying too, and like love the process. There's gotta be something you love. And I just had this conversation today. I think I'm going to write about this a little bit on something about like a Sunday stressor that happens for people. So Sunday night, there's this thing. And I did a quick little search and it's really a very popular phrase and I'm blanking on it right now,

but it's like the pre anxiety for the week on Sunday night. And immediately I'm like, wait a minute. That's because like for me, I don't know. Like I love where I'm going and what I'm trying to solve and figuring out. And so I don't have it. I don't identify with it, but I think it's an indicator that people haven't figured out how to really fall in love with their life. Right. Not the thing, not the thing that they do, but their life. And so this idea that I'm a different person Saturday and Sunday than I am Monday or hump day, I don't get it. Like fall in love with your life. Right. And there's waking hours and there's sleeping hours. Like, what do you mean the day of the week is going to

trigger anxiety? It's for me, it's as foreign as saying weather is going to trigger my state of mind. Forget about it. Right? Like, don't you think that you're a little stronger than the weather pattern? I mean, that's the thing too, is, is there's really, it's funny you say that with the weekend, because I really believe that a lot of people are like, oh, Sunday, we got to go back to work all week. And my wife and I, we talk about it a lot because we're, you know, we're so, we're so invested. I don't want to say invested. I think we enjoy our, say, job right we're our businesses that we have we enjoy them so much that it's like you you you know we we do we work all day and we have the kids

and we have our like time with the kids the kids go to bed and then we go back and we work until bedtime and it like doesn't bother us work until bedtime. And it like, doesn't bother us to do that because it's like, it's like your passion. You're so in love with what you're doing that it's like, it doesn't bother you to do it. And this, you know, to segment it into Monday through Friday is work. And then I get to live. That's a tough way to go now. That's a tough way to go. And I don't think that that's reserved just for athletes or, you know, adventurepreneurs or for people that are, you know, look like they have carved their path in the world. It's not just for certain industries. Fall in love with your life. It's your life.

You know, like whatever the thing is that you do, that's not what defines you. It's how you engage with the thing that you do. Right. That is the defining experience. Okay. Esoteric stuff, like we'll put a cap on it, but like I get on, I feel like I get on a soapbox on this because I also feel fortunate that i for whatever reason i do love my life you know so what's interesting is you get to you're constantly pursuing how to become better how to be yeah you know which is awesome because for me i i've only i've only stumbled onto this by accident maybe four, five years ago. And it was really random how it all came about.

And I met a woman in first class on my way back from Seattle. I got bumped up to first class. So there I sit down and I ended up talking to her and she owns a scrapbooking organizational company, right? So she has all these different things to organize your scrapbooking stuff. And the funny thing when we talk, we're talking back and forth and she's a business owner and I'm as well and all these different things. And we had so much in common. We're like very organized. We're very all these different things.

And she said, hey, check out this book. And it started off with Darren Hardy, you know, the compound effect. Right. So I listened to the compound effect. He referenced Jim Rohn. So I started listening to Jim Rohn. Then from he mentioned Zig Ziglar. So then I'm listening to Zig Ziglar and I just make this whole round around all these all these different books and it really it really opened up my eyes again because there was a when we started

the race team in it was 2009 going into 2010 season. I remember up to that point, like I, you know, I, I was, I referenced the secret, but like at the time, you know, I was thinking in my head, I remember saying like, this is what I want to do. I had this goal of, I wanted to be champion. I want to do this. And then it was like, I want to start my own race team. There was like this thing in my head and, and all these, uh, all these other, other things kind of like that. And it was funny because all those thoughts that I had all along that time, they, they came true. So I start the

race team and then I was so consumed with it. I just stopped like, what's the next thing? And until that point, you know, which was four or five years later, five, six years, I just was so into the team stuff. I wasn't like thinking about what's another thing, what's another thing like that. And once I met that woman on the airplane, then it turned into all these books. It was actually audio books. I would just be listening to them when I'd shower, listening when I'm driving, listening when I'm running equipment, anytime I was doing mindless work. And then it just opened my mind up. And it was great to always learning.

You are a student. And you always have been, though. You are a student of progression, of growth. You've organized your life that way, actually, whether it's from a young age or even now in a different medium and form about growth. So that's a beautiful segue into how do you think about, define, articulate?

How do you get your arms around this concept of mastery i think thinking about mastery is more to me it's just constant constantly learning constantly progressing because like mastery to me is it's like i i'm trying to think who i who i would think of as far as like would have mastery, but I really, I envision a person that's like probably doesn't talk as much as me, but just, you know, they're just possessed so much knowledge, you know, there's just like, you know, they're, it's just that guy that you're like he he knows something right and so you more connected to wisdom as mastery or so there's mastery of self mastery of craft which one is more where did you naturally go um i i kind of

i mean there wisdom i i think i think of wisdom when I think of mastery simply because. Because that's more mastery of self. Right. Yeah. And I think as far as craft, you know, I do think of like all of the, some of the elite athletes, the Travis Pastranas in extreme sports, you know, those type guys, the Sean whites, those guys, they're, they're definitely a master of that crap. But I, in my mind, you know, though you have, you have just a smaller window to do those like action sports, we'll say, and let's say a football

player, you only have this little window to do that so to me mastery is like how can you take what you've learned there and continue to progress throughout your life and you know I I to me there's never an end like I think there should always be you should you should continually learn throughout your entire life. And I think the thing that's really stuck out in the last couple of years is it's referenced a lot is we go to high school, we go to college, and that's it. And people stop learning. And which maybe, maybe that's what it is. And you get a job and you just kind of settle into your life like that.

And now I'm like on this war path of just consuming, like, how can I learn more? How can, and I'm like so energized by it. And it, and what it's really made me look at is like, it's made me look at other people in regards to like, holy cow, think of what they've learned. Think of how they learned think you know and there's all these different different things so to me I like you know one of the things that I also thought about was retirement people talk about retirement a lot and Jim Rohn said he's like you know why retire like if that's when they I don't recall what it was but but they said that's when you have the most knowledge, like in your 60s. You're the smartest, so then you retire, and then you're not blessing the world with any of that. It's like if you just continue on and continue to grow, continue to contribute, continue to give what you can, whether it's knowledge, whether it's whatever

throughout life, like that's like the motivation is to like continue to grow into whatever it can be. And I think what the one that I really liked that I, cause I, I continue to listen to the same things over and over and over and, and whatnot. But the one that I really liked was, uh, Jim Rowan said, he said, he says, become a millionaire, not for the money, but for what it will make you, you know, because to, to become a millionaire, you know, it's going to make you that much better of a person or what you'll learn from that. You know what I mean? And in my head, it's like, you know, as I go down my path, I just keep thinking about like all these different things and how, how I'm growing as a person, as I'm trying to achieve

these goals and how I'm trying to evolve as a person. And thinking about this 10 years ago, I was not on, I wasn't thinking that I was just thinking what's the next big jump I can do what's the next thing to push me and now this this drive that I've had from jumping from all these other things is now is expanded into so many different areas of personal growth and that's in it but it's all using that same formula of of the hard work figuring out the problem coming up with a plan and executing which is you know for a uneducated guy from minnesota i'm i'm trying my best i love it you know the world i said it before the world is a better place because of

you're in, because you're in it. And you, if you just watch what you've done, you seem as though, I don't know, like you're unattainable, you know, like nobody else could do the extraordinary at the level that you've done it. Cause you've shattered records, you know, and fill in the blanks with all the metals. And then when you really listen to how you organize your inner life, it's really clear. And that is available to everybody. What you can do, so can someone else. So you are actually this deep inhale of possibility. And it is not lost on me why you're successful.

It's not lost on me that you've been curious and humble. You've been through pain. You came out the other side with compassion and empathy. You value structure and process and the hard grindy work to get up on the edges, to recover, to get up on the edges to recover to get up on the edges to recover and that is the model of progression and to do it in a community of people that are going to help you and support you and in return you do the same for them that's you nailed it i don't know if it's success or what but i know that's kind of the the essentially what what I'm striving for. Thank you. I mean, thank you

for sharing the model. It's incredible. So where can people find you? You can, I mean, I'm all, all over the place, but no, I, you can go on, uh, online. There's obviously my social media. We're always doing things there. Levi underscore LaVallee at, at, uh, Instagram and Facebook. And then if you go to team LaVallee.com, I'm on there. But we've been, you know, there's a lot of fun things. We just started tinkering with YouTube and whatnot. But one of the things that I think in the future as I continue on is doing more, hopefully doing more involved with personal development, with different things like that.

Let's do something fun. It'd be awesome. Let's see if we can figure out how to, I don't know, use some of your process and structure and your community and see if we can crack something open for the next generation. What do you think? I think it'd be outstanding. Yeah, let's see if we can figure something out. Okay, brilliant. Levi underscore LaVall Valley on social, not Twitter so much.

No, I was on Twitter and then they shut you down to a gentleman. I'm joking. Somebody, somebody got into it. Oh, they did. Yeah. I came on and there was a guy with a rocket launcher on his shoulder and I'm like, well, that's not me, my profile. So somehow I got hacked in and I haven't been able to retrieve it. So I haven't, I haven't started it over yet. Okay. Yeah. Cool. All right. Brilliant. Thank you, brother, for your time. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you for having me. Oh, good. All right. Thank you so much for diving into another episode of finding mastery with us. Our team loves creating this podcast and sharing these conversations with you.

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