Finding Mastery with Dr. Michael Gervais - Geno Smith | Seattle Seahawks Quarterback on the Power of Self-Belief

Episode Date: September 6, 2023

When it feels like the whole world has written you off, do you give in or keep going?Today's guest, Seattle Seahawks Quarterback Geno Smith, kept going. After spending 10 seasons in the NFL��enduring frustrating injuries, several trades, and the threat of becoming a “lifetime backup quarterback” —Geno stepped in as starting quarterback for the Seattle Seahawks last season. With the media deeming this as a “rebuilding year” for the Seahawks, Geno put forth a stellar performance that surprised many. He logged his first winning record, a playoff berth, led the league in completion percentage, and was selected to the Pro Bowl for the very first time.This impressive career resurgence earned Geno 2022’s Comeback Player of the Year (which probably should have been renamed Comeback Player of the Decade).I know Geno from my 9 seasons with the Seattle Seahawks, and let me tell you… he is special.Geno’s career journey is marked by the kind of patience and resilience we can all marvel at, but it’s his mindset — the one that helped him navigate moments where many counted him out — that is truly remarkable. Geno recognized that his “tough times” could be seen as someone else’s “dream come true.” This humility coupled with confidence and a steadfast desire to keep learning through his challenges are what make Geno’s success story one that we can all learn from.It’s an honor to know Geno, and he brought it for this conversation. We cover so many powerful topics — from imagery to leadership, self-talk to competitive mindset, the path of self discovery to self-belief, and so much more. If you want to hear someone who is fluent in the language of mastery, this episode is for you._________________Subscribe to our Youtube Channel for more powerful conversations at the intersection of high performance, leadership, and meaning: https://www.youtube.com/c/FindingMasteryGet exclusive discounts and support our amazing sponsors! Go to: https://findingmastery.com/sponsors/Subscribe to the Finding Mastery newsletter for weekly high performance insights: https://www.findingmastery.com/newsletter Download Dr. Mike's Morning Mindset Routine! https://www.findingmastery.com/morningmindsetFollow us on Instagram, LinkedIn, and X.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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I know this man personally from my nine seasons with the Seattle Seahawks. And let me tell you, he is special. As many of you know, Gino is the starting quarterback for the Seahawks. His NFL journey, it's unlike anyone else that I know. Gino experienced a notable career resurgence that earned him 2022's comeback player of the year, which in all practicality should have been renamed comeback player of the decade. That's how special this is. So after spending 10 seasons in the league,

enduring frustrations and adversities that come with injury and several trades and the threat of becoming a lifetime backup quarterback, Geno stepped in as the starting quarterback for the Seahawks last season and put forth a stellar performance that surprised many. It didn't surprise me. It didn't surprise the head coach, Coach Carroll, or anyone that knows him. He logged his first winning record, a playoff berth, led the league in completion percentage, and was selected to the Pro Bowl for the very first time.

I mean, come on. The whole thing, it feels magical. It's just, it's awesome. Gino's career journey is marked by the kind of patience and resilience we can all marvel at, but it's his mindset, the one that helped him navigate moments where many counted him out, the one that was able to help him navigate the hard times. That's the part that's truly remarkable. Gino recognized that his tough times could be seen as somebody else's dream come true. He never lost that perspective.

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Gino Smith. Gino, it's so good to connect again. And I mean, it's about time that we had you on the pod. I've been watching what you've done over the last couple of years. And, you know, it was a real joy working with you while I was at the Seahawks. And what I was thinking, yeah. And what I was thinking is that maybe we just talk about this one kind of indelible memory that I have about your experience is, see if I can bring you back to it. It's like what you were doing on the sidelines during games. And so do you, can you bring people into like what that was like for you?

Yeah. So obviously the time we spent together, we got to, you know, you're on the sideline and unfortunately so was I. And, you know, I just remember, you know, really just wanting to be engaged into the game. And I would, you know, go through the process of calling the play in the huddle, you know, obviously not to the guys, but if there's someone around, I would call the play. Mentally go through the process of, you know, what would I be thinking as I break the huddle, you know, obviously not to the guys, but if there's someone around, I would call the play. Mentally, go through the process of, you know, what would I be thinking as I break the huddle? You know, who's the mic, protections, you know, certain checkpoints that we make as quarterbacks as we leave the huddle. And then obviously reading the defense, right? That was a way to, you know, steal a rep, to get a mental rep. Although I wasn't able to be out there physically, I was still able to get a mental rep. Although I wasn't able to be out there physically,

I was still able to get a mental rep. And then you changed things for me. I remember you told me, he's like, you see it, you're thinking it, but can you feel it? Do you feel yourself making the throw? Do you feel yourself in the game, in the action? And that's when I kind of, it really kind of hit home and I was like, okay, well, yeah, I need to kind of feel that.

I need to feel what that's like. And, you know, think about what what would it be like to actually make those throws or to make that read in real time? And I think that just became my overall process. That was about my second year here in Seattle. And that just became my process. You know, in order for me to get better, I was going to have to find another way outside of being on the field. And so that was a way for me to do it. When I think I'm so glad you went there because that's what I was thinking. Like for me, this was what you just described. It was innovative.

It was real. It was authentic. It was born out of your deep hunger to get better. And there's a million emotions you could go through on the sidelines and you probably did all of them. We'll talk about those, but most of the cases, disengagement or frustration or self-doubt, you know, like you start losing that touch, that, that competitor that is so true to you for sure. And so many people that want to be their very best and you're like, nah, I'm not doing that. And that, but that extra little thing that each rep

and I remember like, like when we've, when we were kind of getting going on your little system that we're talking about, and then you started really calling the play, like calling the play, like you're right in the huddle. I was like, oh, he's so in it. Like those, did you call it stealing a rep? Is that what you call it? Yeah. It was a way to, I guess you could say steal a rep. You know, obviously when you play in the game, you know, experience is the best professor. So when you play in the game and gain that experience, I mean, it's, it's you're learning from it, whether you like it or not, you have to. And it's harder. It's much harder to do from the sideline, but it's still, you know, it can be done. And so for me, I had to truly kind of psych

myself out, kind of trick my mind and say, you know what, this is going to help me get better. Not knowing if it would or it wouldn't, but truly saying, well, this is something I need to do to get better. And it allowed me to stay engaged. It allowed me to be a better teammate to Russell, better backup for Russell. I was able to, I was even telling you on the sideline where the ball should go based on the coverage. And I think that helped speed up my process mentally. It helped me have a faster process in games because I was able to see it from a different vantage point and also be able to feel it, feel what it was like it was like, you know, the C-Link, you know, it used to be so electric.

I mean, it still is so electric. And it's just, you know, the atmosphere, right? And the feeling of being in the stadium and in the moment is something that, you know, you taught me, you know, is how do you take advantage of the moment? But you got to feel the moment. And so it started with just practicing that. And then it became what it eventually is now. The feeling piece is kind of the difference between, let's call it a novice, somebody who's novice in mental imagery. And I think we should teach a little bit here just for folks that don't really even practice

mental imagery or don't know how to practice it in their own life. But the difference between novice and expert is getting the emotional kind of kinesthetic feeling part of it. So when you close your eyes and you were doing it with your eyes open, which is exponentially harder, but for most people, like when they close their eyes and they see themselves, it's like playing the most amazing movie and you're the star in it. Yeah. It's exactly how you want to be in the future, right? Yes. And you were doing it with your eyes open while the play was unfolding. How did you get that good at it that you could do it eyes open and you could still conjure up that feeling of what it's like to make the play or to be in the pocket when you were on the sidelines? How did you do that? Yeah, I think it was kind of a step-by-step process where process where at the beginning it seems a little, you know, kind of dumb.

It's like, why am I doing this? You know, is this working? Am I really in the moment? But it becomes a thing. And if you're disciplined enough to continue to do it over time where you'll start to feel where it happens and you're like, OK, I can feel myself in the game. I can see myself doing this. You'll gain confidence. You'll gain confidence in yourself and truly believe that once this opportunity comes, I've practiced this kick or swing or throw a million times already. I've seen myself do it a million times in my mind. I felt myself do it. I felt, you know, the energy or whatever it takes to get to that point. And so now it just becomes a trained habit. And so it really comes down to habits. And, you know, like anything, you got to, you know, get better with time. But as you started

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for all the folks that are listening that are like, man, people like Gino are just born confident. They're born leaders. They are, they are just, they just have it. And you and I both know that that's like, that's not the case. You got to earn it. So I'm wondering if you want to go that path or if you want to go into like, um, the day that you got the nod that you're up, like what that, like that transitional moment was. Well, I think it, you know, for me, I always say it started with confidence. So before we could even get to that point to get the nod, um, I truly had to have the confidence in myself that I could do it, you know, that I could be the starting quarterback that truly had to have the confidence in myself that I could do it, that I could be the starting quarterback that I had been my entire life. I think when you talk about where

the confidence comes from, it truly comes from excelling at football and in life, just my entire life. I've always been great at football. I've always done great things on the field. Obviously, there'll be setbacks, right? There'll be things that, obstacles that'll be in your way. There'll be things out of your control that will kind of make you doubt yourself, right? And say, well, is this for me? Is this my moment? But it truly comes down to believing in, you know, who you are, knowing who you are. I know I'm a great quarterback. I've done this over and over and over. And although I've been on the sideline for the past four years, five years,

it's still inside of me. You know, those traits that I have, the hard work that I possess, the work ethic that I possess, and all those things that would help someone be great are still inside of me. And so I had to bring those things back to the surface. I had to trust in my work ethic and truly outwork people. That gives you confidence, right? Knowing that you're prepared, that gives you the most confidence, right? Knowing that I know no matter what happens, I'm prepared for this, good or bad, no matter the result, right? Because we're always thinking about the process over the result. But no matter the result, if I stick to this process, I should be, you know, I should be

fine because I truly have confidence in myself as well as in the process of, you know, everything that I'm doing to, to get to that point. Gold. I mean, flat gold, you know? And so when I hear you say that, I want to just like, I want to scream to the mountaintops that you're, you are teaching right now a masterclass on how this works, which is you've got to put in the work. And what that does, it's like it gives you more immediate available information that you are capable, but then you also need to talk to yourself. And so that's got to be, you got to bring that stuff up right to the surface. One way is work ethic and putting yourself in difficult, hard situations and then backing yourself with how you speak to yourself. Yes. Yes. How about it? And that's a big point too, like you said,

with how we speak to ourselves, because, you know, in the world of today where there's social media and there's all these outside things, outside noise that we like to say, right, block out the noise where there's a ton of noise. How do you listen to your own voice, right, when there's so many other voices trying to drown that out? Whether that's good or bad, you know, whether that's good or bad, you know what you need to be successful. You already know what you need to do, the steps you need to take to get to that point. But there can be people out there shooting your dreams down like, no, you know what, that's probably too hard for you. Or, you know what, you might need to pick another lane. That's not for you. But deep down in your heart, you know this is what I want.

This is where I need to be. These are the things that I need to do to get to that point. And so you really got to, you know, trust in your own intuition, you know, that gut feeling. Really trusting in your gut, knowing that that's your compass. That's our guiding light in this life. You know, your gut is your compass. And trusting in yourself and believing in yourself above all else. That's really what it is. wants people like you to go, people like all of us to kind of fall in line in certain ways. And you've got to do that alone work that nobody can do for you to say, no, this is who I am.

This is what I'm capable of. This is where I want to go. And you said earlier, like knowing who you are, are you able to put that in to like, are you able to boil that down into something that's quite simple or does it still feel like you're getting your arms around it? I think as humans, man, we're ever evolving. So, you know, who you are can change over time. We could constantly change and change is great. You know, it's inevitable. So you're always trying to figure out who you are. And it takes a lot of self-reflection. It takes a lot of honesty.

Really have to be honest with yourself. I'm a big person on habits. How many good habits do I have versus how many bad habits do I have? And, you know, I think if you got a bunch of bad habits, typically you're going to be in a bad spot. You know, it's just what it is. But if you practice a bunch of good habits, then good things will happen. And if you think positive, right, everyone's like, well, think positive. Well, you know, it's easier said than done to think positive. I think it's a daily walk. You know, I think it's a daily walk.

I think you have to truly tell yourself that no matter what happens, man, like one thing I did was all the negatives, I embraced them. And I say, you know what, these obstacles, they're like weight on a weight bar. And if I continue to lift, I continue to lift, I'll get stronger and stronger until this weight is like a feather. And it's not as heavy as it used to be. And the more that you continue to go through things and go through obstacles, the stronger you become, the more prepared you are for the next obstacle, because there's going to be a next one, right? But how do you speak to yourself in that moment? I think, you know, if I think about a game, right,

if I throw an interception, I've usually been my best after a negative play because of how I've evolved into who I am today, because of the self-talk that I have and the belief I have in myself. If something bad happened, well, man, something great is about to happen right behind it because I usually don't make too many mistakes. Oh my God. Yes. Yes. So that, that discipline

that you're talking about of self-talk, obviously, obviously it's like the water that the Seattle Seahawks swim in, you know? And then if we drill down, which is like, how do you practice your self-talk? Is it, is it structured or is it more like a heightened awareness throughout the day? And you're just making a thousand little micro choices or do something in a structured way? How do you practice being great with the way you speak to yourself? Yeah, I think it's the micro choices. I truly do. I think how you do anything, you know, it's how you do everything. And so the, from the minute I wake up in the Yeah, I think it's the micro choices. I truly do. I think how you do anything, you know, is how you do everything. And so from the minute I wake up in the morning,

I'm thinking about excellence, man. Like, how can I be great in brushing my teeth? How can I take a great shower? How can I eat a great breakfast today? You know, I want to drink a great coffee right before my meetings. You know, the mentality that you wake up with truly guides you. When I go to the meetings, you know, how can I be a great teammate, a great listener, a great note taker? Just the small things. Right. How can I gain something from the information that I've been learning for 10 years now? How do I get get something new out of this? Right. I've been doing this thing for a while, but there's still something I can learn. I'm not a finished product. Always having that mindset. I'm not a finished product.

It comes down to being humble, right. Being humble, knowing that there's a lot of work to be done no matter what I've accomplished in my life there's still a lot of work to be done and I still gotta you know go after this thing in a manner as if I've never done anything you know it's a it's truly about the self-talk and the self-walk you know obviously you go to the practice field you want to be great on the practice field you You want to play great on Sundays. Well, you better study right. You better eat right. You better sleep right. It takes all those things. And it's not just one thing that makes someone great. I think it's a collection of everything. And it starts with the person's mentality. God, you know, I'm swelling, you know, like I want to give you a hug, you know, just say thank you for like, you're not doing anything special, like you're doing you. And that alone is what makes it really special.

You know, I just, I don't know if you know how much people I think need to hear this right now. And so what you're, I'm listening to you and I'm like, okay, he's put in his work. He knows the levers that he's working, meaning, okay, self-talktalk patience uh getting after it teammate recovery optimism like you're you're really clear with the levers that you're using from a psychological framework and you've got this great framing which is like i'm a work in progress and i'm humble about it like i'm trying to get better i'm trying to help other people get better. And I want to take you into maybe like a dark day because it almost sounds too good to be true. And you know, there was days when, let's just paint the picture. You were touted as one of the best coming out of high school.

You were touted as one of the best coming out of college and you had a starting job in the NFL and how long did that last? About two years. My first two years. And then there was an injury and then you kind of got put on the bench and that was how long were you a backup? I would say for eight, eight years. They wrote you off. Yeah. Right. In your famous words. Yeah. You know, and I love that you said, and I ain't right back, though. Like, I love that fucking power that you have there. So take take take us into like some of the darker moments, the harder moments. Like, I don't know what comes to mind. I don't want to plant a seed, but like you wake up in the morning and you're like, fuck.

Yeah, I think the hardest part for me, like you said, I had been a starting quarterback from a freshman in high school and then from a freshman in college and then from a rookie in the NFL. So there's about 15 years of just nonstop seasons of football, football, football. And I excelled throughout that whole time. And obviously I knew walking into the NFL, there'll be a bit of a difference, but I hadn't known how big of a difference it would be. And so when things didn't go my way, when I got unlucky, I felt like, man, everything that could have possibly happened wrong happened wrong at the at the worst possible time. You know, why didn't it happen when I was in high school? Why didn't it happen in college? You know, when I get to the professional big leagues now, it's like, oh, man, you know, my professional career isn't where it should be. And that was the hardest part for me because I'm such a perfectionist. I want to do well. I work extremely hard. You know, I have this mindset about myself that

I want to do everything right. And for a while, for about eight years, the only thing I could do was go to work, go work out, go to practice. There was no game day for me. And that's the reward in all this, you know, for a lot of athletes is, you know, you do all this stuff throughout the summer. You know, you train your body. You train in the weight room with your team in the spring. You go out there on the practice field and then you get to go have fun with you guys on Sunday. And the hardest thing for any backup, not just myself, you know, I see it in a lot of guys on our team, you know, when they don't get to dress for the games. And it's like, man, you can tell they want to be out there, how much they want to help the team and, you know, how we all have visions for ourselves. We want to be, you know, in the limelight. You know, we all do. Everyone wants to feel loved and, you know, feel like you're a part of something.

And it's just hard to feel a part of it when you don't get to actually go out there and play and stuff. And so my darkest days, and I said this, for me, my hardest days is a dream come true to someone else because a lot of guys would kill to be a backup quarterback in the NFL and make this money for eight years and play in the NFL for 10 years and get all these good things that come with it. But that was never my vision. I had, you know, I had a bigger vision for myself. And I just felt like I was falling short of my ultimate goal, which is to be a very successful NFL quarterback before, you know, I can't play the game anymore. And so, you know, for me, that was a hard part going to the games, not playing. But how I, you know, develop the toughness to suck it up was to become a better teammate.

Right. Less of me, more about others. And so I stopped thinking about myself and like what I could do. And, oh, man, I could help the team this way and on the field. Well, I can still help the team just from a different vantage point. And so that's where you see I was just engaged with the guys on the sideline. I almost took the approach of, man, I'm a coach now. Like I'm one of the coaches on game day. And if there's someone who needs something, whether it's water, you need a towel, you need some information about the defense, you know, Russell, you know,

what defense do they call on third down? You know, emotionally, like, how's Russ feeling, right? You know, how's Phillip feeling? Do I need to pick him up? Do I need to, you know, tell him something to encourage him? And so I just became less about me and I made it more about others. And it made me even more humble. You know, I thought I was humble at first. Now I truly am void of ego. I could care less about a lot of things that I once cared about. And so it just it took a transformation. But it was hard to do that. You know, the darkest days was, you know, one of my buddies ended up getting shot and lost his career. You know, he's a guy who played high school and college with Stedman Bailey.

And then in that same year, I got injured, lost, you know, lost my starting job. And so it just felt like everything was going negative. And it wasn't until I truly embraced the negative, the suck. Right. You got to embrace the suck. I mean, it's going to happen. But I told someone I was like, whatever is happening in my life is made and designed for me. I'm built for it. And I won't be able to get past this until I embrace it. And I love it. Right. I flipped it on his head. Okay. This is negative. I'm a backup. I should have never been a backup in my opinion, but guess what? I'm not going to let that deter me from my ultimate goal. And so I just stayed focused and I just kept working.

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I'm not going to lead. I'm not, I'm no longer leading on the field, but I'm a leader of humans. And the way that I'm going to lead is by pouring into them in whatever way that I can. And I'm, I, I believe that I'm a starting quarterback and I'm not, I'm not making it about me. You need a towel. I got you. You need this. I got you. And I would watch you, you know, like you would, you would run out and support Russ and that's the person you want his job. You want his job. Right. But not at the cost of his health or him doing bad. Like, no, I've got such respect for you because I think it's a very difficult thing to do for somebody who doesn't have like the quote unquote leadership job, whatever that means. It's not. But you created it. You created a leadership experience for yourself. Can you unpack some of that for us? It's who you are. It's what you do. And leadership, to me, starts with integrity. It starts with yourself, right? Like the type of character you have when no one's watching, right?

What do you do when no one's watching? Do you change, you know, when people are watching or when no one's watching? You know, for me, I keep things the same no matter what. I pick up, you know, I'll be walking down the street. If I see trash on the ground, I'll pick it up. You know, if I'm in the locker room and there's something out of place, I put it back in place. And it has nothing to do with who's watching or anything. It's just the way that I am.

You know, I want to be neat and nice and I want things to be done a certain way. And so I want to do everything that way. And I don't want to just, you know, there's no on and off switch with leadership. You can't be that way. You know, you either are or you aren't. And for me, I've always been a leader, you know, as the oldest child in my family. And so I've had that role by default and I've grown to embrace that. And so I've always felt like I had to set the example for people. But the example starts with yourself.

Right. You set the example for yourself before you can police anyone else. And so if I'm if I'm having high integrity, if I'm doing things the right way in my life, then I feel good about leading other people. But if I can't lead myself, then how can I lead someone else? Ah, Gino, like this is what modern leadership is. This is what is called for in all worlds, you know, whatever world that somebody is in, whether it's business or at home or in service

or in sport like you're describing what i'm considering to be modern leadership and so i know it feels natural for you and it's like maybe not that big a deal but um it's so awesome to hear you kind of walk the walk and talk the talk and um it's awesome so let me double click though yeah for sure let me double click do you do you see like as an operating philosophy do you see that there are big moments or is every moment have equal value and your job is to capture this moment and this moment again well you know that's twofold i think think in hindsight, you know, there are big and small moments. I mean, if you really look at it, but I think in terms of the individual, if you look at them all the same, every single opportunity is the same, whether I was a backup or a starter, I practiced the same way. I went

to the weight room at 6 a.m. I wanted to be the first there. I wanted to get my workout out of the way before anybody got to work. I did that for years. No one knew. I didn't say I've never said a word about it. You know, I don't do it for anyone else. You know, but that was me capturing the little moments. Right. When I was going to the meeting room and the way I took notes. Right. That was the caption of the little moments. You know, the way I interacted with my teammates and coaches. Right. Those are the little moments. And then the big moment is, you know, I wrote, you know, they wrote me off, but I didn't write back. You know, you know, getting to say that after a game that, you know, you play well and well. It started with everything I had done up to that point, you know, and that's what gave me the confidence in that moment to say what I said, because I knew what I was going to do throughout the course of the season, because I knew the work that I was going to, the consistent work that I was going to put in every single day to make sure that I was in the right mindset. Physically, I was in the right state. And then, you know, confidence wise, I knew that I had done everything that I could do to be prepared for this week. And I don't think anyone else has worked as hard as I worked this week. In fact, I know no one else did. And so that's why I need to go out here and ball out

and play great because I put the work in, I know I'm ready. And, you know, this is just another way for me to capture a moment. This is just another moment for me in the step-to-step process that I take. Do you, I love this. Do you think, I'll tell you my bias and then maybe you can respond to it. Um, either way, of course, is that I think that we don't rise to the occasion, but we fall to our level of training. How do you think about that? Do you rise to occasions or do you fall to the level of your of your consistent training? Yeah, I think it comes down to your consistent training. The occasion will be the occasion, no matter what. Whether you're ready or not for that occasion depends on you. It depends on the work that you've put in. It depends on your training. Like you said, my training is super

hard. I like to work out twice as hard as I think the game will be because once I get to the game, I know that it'll never be as hard as the stuff that I did in training. It'll never be that hard. I like to work out twice as hard as I think the game will be because once I get to the game, I know that it'll never be as hard as the stuff that I did in training. It'll never be that hard. And so it gives me a lot of confidence when I'm out there on the field, knowing that I can make any throw from any platform in any moment because I've practiced this, like I said, in the hardest of conditions, when I've been tired, you know, in ways that unimaginable, I get myself super tired and then I go throw, right? And it's like, you'll probably never be that tired in the game. But because I've made it that hard, I've improved that much, you know, because if it ever got to that point, I know that I can get through that.

So let's talk, earlier you said this, you said, i used to be a perfectionist and then i hear you right now talking about high standards and pushing right to the edge of your envelope so can you unpack the difference between being a perfectionist and the used to is interesting for me um and the difference between that and the incredibly high standard that you have. Yeah, I think perfection is impossible. No one's perfect. Every single person that's walked this earth

has made a mistake and will continue to make mistakes. But if you, like I said, it starts with the standard. If you hold yourself to a high standard, a standard of perfection, usually you'll fall somewhere around that. And if you continue to push that envelope on a daily basis, the sky truly is the limit. You have no ceiling. You know, you can continue to get better even at 32 years old, even at 33 years old. I'm still getting better. And every year I've gotten better at football because I've taken that approach and I've had that mentality and that mindset until now, you know, obviously I'm, you know, receiving accolades and things like that, but I'm already way better than I was last

season, you know, and it's because of the mindset and the approach that I took into the off season with my training, with my diet, with my sleep and everything else in between. And it just becomes another learned habit, right? You just fall into this, you know, thing of where it's every day. I'm just continuing to push myself and figure out how great I can be on that day. And then I move on because, you know, being perfect, although I say I want to be perfect, it's not going to happen. You know, I had one perfect game in the NFL, though. I can't say that.

But other than that, you know, it's really not it's really not going to happen. You know, I had one perfect game in the NFL, though. I can't say that. But other than that, you know, it's really not going to happen. But I do shoot for that. I want to throw every single pass I throw should be a completion in my mind, you know, or a touchdown. You know, and if something else happens, then, A, it happens. But for me, I just try to, you know, aim for the moon or whether they say shoot for the stars, aim for the moon. And I just do that and, you know, see where I fall. So what do you do when you do make a mistake? Like what is the mechanics of that moment?

And I'll give you maybe two ways to bounce off of it. One is a mistake in practice. And I don't think many people appreciate the standard of excellence at the Seattle Seahawks practice. Like practice is everything. Practice is what makes you. Coach Carroll has done a phenomenal job of creating one high energy and like it feels game-like as best as we possibly can.

So a mistake in practice and then a mistake, let's create a scenario down by four 40 seconds to go balls on your let's say the 50 yard line um you've just completed two nice tugs or uh passes and um you take a shot and maybe it's not even the play that came in from the headset and you've got Tyler kind of on an out route and you like the matchup and you go against the grain of what the coaches wanted you to do because you're feeling something back to your intuition. And you and Tyler makes that, that little eye contact that you guys have. And sure enough,

he breaks four and he's got, you know, two steps on his guy and you put it three inches out of Tyler's reach, which is hard to do for Tyler. But just make it a little less dramatic, maybe a foot over his reach. Yeah. And like, bang, ball drops. So can you can you walk through like how do you let's start with that one. How do you deal with that quote unquote mistake?

Yeah. I think, um, you talk about practice and then the game. So, yeah. So for me, I'm sorry, real quick. Let's say that one, let's start with the game day with the game. And then we'll just go to practice. Yeah. Yeah.

So, um, obviously, um, you got to learn from it, right? I mean, there's, um, you know, you look at the mistakes that you make, right. And you, you have to analyze those. I think it's a, it's a part look at the mistakes that you make, right? And you have to analyze those. I think it's a part of reflection. You analyze what happened, whether it's my footwork wasn't right, whether it was my follow through, maybe, you know, the trajectory of the past, you know, if it went too far, too short. So there's things that I can look at and correct. That's what film is for, you know, to say. Do you do that?

No. What do you do in the moment? Crowd is like now booing that you took that shot. Oh, I mean, so, so yeah, so that's a good one. So for me, it starts in practice. I, you know, I truly have a, and I've been practicing this now where after every single play, I literally reset, right? It's a brand new play. It's a brand new opportunity. Nothing that happened before has anything to do with what's happening now. You know, they talk about having a short memory. Well, you have to kind of force yourself to have

that because it's easy to think about the mistakes, right? It's easy to dwell on the past or the mistakes that you made. But the truth is, is that that can only be to your detriment. It's not going to help you. You know, it's not going to help you. And so I truly practice even now in OTAs, even, you know, if I'm calling plays and just at home, you know, with my girl, I practice resetting and starting over and clearing the mechanism, right? Clear the mind, think about only what I have to do this play and nothing else, right? And then go out there and execute. And whether it's good or bad, you got to move on to the next one and you got to keep moving on to the next one until there's no more you know and and that's truly my

process you know it you make it sound so simple because you practice it and but what you just described is a practice of detraining anxiety detraining self-criticalness detraining self-doubt right and an upward training being present yeah and so like it sounds so simple but there's so much power in what you're describing right now and so now let's kind of take it to a moment where coach carol texts you yeah right and he says we're gonna need you big time yep and a little cryptic maybe maybe not you know how coaches but like yeah um some people would take that and be like right let's go some people might take that and go what does he mean what does that mean what's going on what am i supposed to do what am i supposed? What does that mean? What's going on? What am I supposed to do? What am I supposed to do with that? Some people might go, oh, okay. Man, I've been backing up for a minute now. Like, is this my, oh man. So walk, walk me into that moment. When you get that little,

that little buzz, you look at your phone and coach says, we need you big time. Yeah. It's funny. Cause I was, I'm literally sitting on the couch. I was around a couple of my boys and I had my son, you know, we were just playing around, like watching TV. And it's like, you know, I'm guessing it's like six o'clock on the West Coast because he had texted me like nine. I was in Florida. So he texted me about nine. And, you know, like you said, it was like, you know, we're going to need you big time. And in that moment, I kind of already knew what that meant. You know, it was a little cryptic, but he had never texted me in that manner. Right. And it's like, well, why would he send me this now at this time?

But to be honest, it's everything that I was looking for. You know, I had I had actually maybe a few days before posted. I was in the weight room and I posted something on my Instagram. It was like, man, I'm going to take somebody's job. You know, I don't know whose job is getting took, but I'm going to take someone's job. And that's truly how I felt about myself at the time. I just knew I was ready. I truly knew I was ready to lead.

I was ready to play. Physically, I've been preparing and mentally I've been preparing. And so, you know, when coach gave me sent me that text and ultimately gave me the opportunity in a competition, in my mind, the competition was already over. And, you know, I hadn't I hadn't met Drew yet. Never, mind, the competition was already over. And, you know, I hadn't met Drew yet. Never knew what he was capable of. He's a really good quarterback and he's going to have his moment and he's going to be ready. But, you know, I just knew it was my time at that time. And, you know, although, you know, I knew that I was going to get the job,

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you're able, you don't switch on and off, but you're able to have, like, you've got dimension and you can, you've got contour to you that you can have a conversation on the sidelines. And, and then even like not bringing this totally up in the right way, but, or like up meaning, um, in my, my heart, but the way that you hold eye contact with people with myself included is felt and so can you talk about the way that you see people the way that you like do you know what i'm talking about right now like the way that you and i would speak yeah yeah i think is that normal for you yeah normal for you in all okay i mean i was raised like that to always uh you know to look everyone in the eye, to always hold your head up.

That's a big part of my confidence, right, is my upbringing. It's, you know, my parents and my grandparents have always taught me to, you know, keep my chest held high, keep my head held high, good and bad times, because it's a true test of your character. And so I always, you know, think about those things. But when I'm engaging with people, you know, I'm all there, you know, think about those things. But when I'm engaging with people, you know, I'm all there, you know, and I want them to know that, you know, I want them to feel, you know, feel that I'm there with them, that I'm listening. You know, if someone needs me, I'm engaged. You know, I don't want, I don't ever want people to think that I'm out of it or, you know, not paying attention. I think that's a form of disrespect.

And so, you know, I just want to make, you know, allow people to know, especially in a place of leadership, when you step into a huddle, right? How do you look the guys in the eyes and you're down seven on a game winning drives and let them know we're going to score, you know, we're going to get this thing, we're going to win the game. Well, it takes that, you know, they can tell when they look you in your eye if you're confident or not. And, you know, usually people can tell and, you know, they can tell when they look you in your eye if you're confident or not. And, you know, usually people can tell. And, you know, the body language is, you know, the first form of language. So, you know, people know, you know, people know. And so for me, my body language has always got to exude confidence in the way that I talk, the way that I walk, the way that I look at people and the way they look at me is very important. So what I hear you saying right now is that you are

practicing being connected. You are practicing being awake and alive and present. And like, it's not something you do just on the pillow meditating. I don't know if you are meditating, but this is a 24 by seven or 16 hour a day practice. Does that sound right to you? Okay. Yes. And then I don't get judgmental and critical from you. Let's go back to the eye contact when we're talking. Like I don't, I don't know you to be judgmental and critical.

I don't know you to be like harsh. And so I'm imagining that you don't speak to yourself that way either. Do you? No, I'm not a, I'm not a negative self-talk person. I've never been that. The most I'll say to myself is, come on, baby, you got this. Come on, baby, this is it, baby, let's go. It's always something positive. I'm always upbeat. I don't ever want to be the, you know, the guy that drains the energy from the room. You know, I want to bring energy to the room. And in a place like this where it's full of energy, I mean, it's just energy bouncing off of each other all day long. How do you balance that with being tough? Because you are flat out tough. Like, how do you balance that positivity with that toughness?

Yeah, I think it, you know, you have to work on it. You know, you got to work on it because you can, you know, too much of anything is not good for you. So too much toughness or too much of the positivity, you know, it is a balance. It's a natural balance and you want to be authentic. That's the main thing. You want to be true to yourself, true to your own feelings, you know, whatever that is, but also understanding and knowing that if I do get angry, I don't need to get overcome with anger. Or if I am upbeat or excited, well, you got to stay even keel. You don't want to be too excited to where you get outside of yourself. And so I'm always thinking about just remaining in this same mindset and just being a person who is the same guy all the time. I think people really respect that and I want to continue to do that.

So good, Gino. So good. Like, I'm so stoked for you. What's a favorite moment from last season? Man, so many. I would say one of my favorite moments from last season is, you know, you think about what we did down the stretch to get into the playoffs. You know, I think we recognize the moment. Right. I think we as a team really took a hold of the moment. We had to win a couple of games and really win a couple in a row. And there were tough games, man. You know, we played the Jets who were playing for the playoffs. We played the Rams, who's always a tough opponent, division opponent. And we had to win those games. And to see our team come together, I think that was a moment for us where we really banded together as a team, you know, and really started to see what we could become. Started to see, you know, if we play for one another, if we believe in one another, who cares about what the media says? Who cares about, you know, what they think about us, you know, starting to back

up quarterback or having a rookie left tackle, rookie right tackle, rookie running back, rookie cornerbacks, right? We got the oldest coach in the league. You know, all the reasons why we shouldn't have been good. And we embraced that and we turned it upside down. But we weren't finished, right? We wanted to get into the playoffs and obviously have ourselves a shot at the Super Bowl. And we fell short of that, but I just think that down that stretch, we became the team that will be going into the future because we had to band together. There was something to play for and we went out and we got, you know, partially got it done. But we also weren't satisfied with just, you know, going to the playoffs and obviously being out in the first round.

And so you can see where guys are just like excited going to the off season. And now we're just, you know, hitting on, you know, starting to hit on all cylinders and we just got to keep working. I can hear Coach Carroll right now. Like, you know, I could just hear him taking on the narrative of what everyone's saying and making it real in the room to give everybody a chance to deal with the reality, but also creating an us versus them type of thing. They wrote Gino off. They wrote all of us off. They think I've lost my mind.

And they're just pointing at all the rookies and just saying the narrative. And then for everyone to kind of have these moments, which is like, yeah, but that's not right. You know, and he comes back around when he does it. It's so good when he does it and comes back around and goes, they don't know. They don't know what's happening inside these walls. And was it, did that happen as well? Yes. Yes.

And, and, you know, coach Carroll is, is amazing with that, man. And, and the realness of him is what makes him who he is, right? Like he's not having, he's not shying away from it, nor will he allow us to shy away from it. You know, he wants us to look those obstacles right in the face, you know, with a smile. And, you know, when you have a guy like that leading you, you know, that confidence just, you know, bleeds down to everyone else. And you can see where, you know, we got his back, he got our back and we're just banded together in that way. I can't wait to see what you do this year. But before we go, like two quick hits. One is, what is your ideal competitive mindset? Like, how do you describe the bullseye that you're

looking for in practice and obviously game day? My ideal mindset for practice and game day is perfection when it comes to execution. Perfection in my footwork, perfection in my delivery, my reads, perfection in my body language, the way that I enter into the stadium, the way that I enter into the huddle when I wake up that morning, what I eat for breakfast. I take that on a day-to-day basis, to be honest with you. And I truly challenge myself. Was today better than yesterday? Was this game better than the last game? I could have had a perfect game, 23 or 24, and threw a bunch of touchdowns. And I'm saying, well, that's one incompletion. So I need to get that completion for the next one you know and so always challenging and pushing myself right I think a true competitor is never satisfied no matter what he does because to me

it's about the next mountain you climb right you you get to the top of the mountain and you don't get to stay there right you got to come down and then you got to go climb another one if you want to get that feeling again so for me it's like continuing to find new mountains to climb. I see that in you. I see that in you. And I see that you don't, at the same time, let the mistakes run you. And you don't let your emotions take over when you start to get some evidence that it's not going the way that you planned it. And there's also this, like, there's an acceptance. Like, your philosophy feels really grounded, Gino.

It feels very clear. I can't wait to see what you do in the next chapters of your life here and how you're leading people to be their very best at the same time. There's so much to learn from you and I'm stoked I got to spend the time I did with you. I want to leave us with a moment. I don't even know if you remember this, but pregame, you and I would toss like you'd be on the 40 yard line and I'm trying to catch your flipping rockets.

I mean, you got, as everyone says, your cannon is real. And there was, do you remember this? There was North Carolina and it was cold and it might've been Green Bay. I can't remember, but it was, I was coming out of the tunnel and you're throwing long balls at this point. And, and we made eye contact and you kind of like brought your arm back. Like you're going to throw it my way. And I put my hands up and I was like, oh shit, I got nylon gloves on.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You had no chance. Do you remember this moment? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. You had the snow, you had the, the warmers on. You? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you had the snow. You had the warmers on. You know, that was funny because earlier that, what was it? We were in Atlanta, right? We were in Atlanta and we were doing the long toss. And so you were challenging me. You was like, all right, try it over here. And you were like, all right, try it over there.

So like we're just having fun. And then we, you know, that became our thing. So that was funny though because I was about to rip one to you. You had those freaking snow hands on your hand. you did you did maybe i didn't hit you my hands are above my on my forehead and as the ball's coming like oh shit i got the slippery gloves basically right and i'm and i and and like all i remember is like and it just kind of skimmed over the top of my head like cut my mohawk or whatever. And then one of the ATs comes by and goes, Jesus, Gervais, I was going to have to take you to hospital, but maybe it would have fixed your nose. I'm happy that didn't happen,

man. Come on now. Yeah. Yeah. So, all right. You know, like I'm loving what you're doing. Like, um, I know you have love for Seattle and, you know, maybe just a little note to the 12s. What do you think? Yeah, man, I think for the 12s, man, I can't wait to see you guys, man. I can't wait to see you guys, you know, in Lumen Field. You know, we're going to have a really, really good team and you guys are a huge part of it. So, you know, be loud as ever. Bring that juice, bring that energy and we'll do the same.

But people haven't had the chance to go feel the 12s. And just for clarity, the 12s means it's the fans. It's the 12th player on the field. There's only 11 players on the field in football. But the 12s, as they're affectionately known in Seattle, are like on fire. And it is one of the, if not the most electric places that I felt energy from a crowd. And so you got special times ahead of you. I know you're capturing the moments and you know, how do you answer this last question? It all comes down to.

What does it all come down to? It all comes down to your mentality. That's what it comes down to it all comes down to your mentality that's what it comes down to all right gino smith legend you've always been one i'm stoked to know you i'm stoked that you're leading people in the way that you are and um appreciate you man appreciate you javay and we'll do this again sometime let's do it absolutely yes sir all right thank you so much for diving into another episode of finding mastery with us. Our team loves creating this podcast and sharing these conversations with you. We really appreciate you being part of this community. And if you're enjoying the show, the easiest no-cost way to support is to hit the subscribe or follow button wherever you're listening. Also, if you haven't already, please consider dropping us a review on Apple or Spotify.

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