Finding Mastery with Dr. Michael Gervais - Lisa McCaffrey at the Super Bowl: Christian McCaffrey's Mom on Love, Parenting, and Purpose

Episode Date: February 9, 2024

In this special LIVE episode recorded at Radio Row in Las Vegas for Super Bowl 58, we had the privilege of sitting down with Lisa McCaffrey, the mother of 49ers star running back, Christian McCaffrey.Despite Christian's status as one of - if not THE - best running backs in the NFL, and his 2023 Offensive Player of the Year Award, Lisa's excitement and nerves during this Super Bowl week are palpable.Now, the McCaffrey family boasts an impressive athletic history, with Lisa playing college soccer at Stanford University, her husband Ed winning three Super Bowls with the Denver Broncos, and her father earning a silver medal in the Olympics. All four of Lisa's sons have played collegiate football as well. I mean… talk about a formula!I loved this conversation. We get an exclusive look into the universal theme of parental emotions, capturing the essence of any parent watching their child pursue a passionLisa shares insights on love, support, purpose, and genuine excitement for her family, making for an inspiring and relatable discussion - for sports enthusiasts, football fans, anyone interested in family dynamics, and parents who can relate to the emotions of watching their children chase their dreams.With that, live from Las Vegas on the eve of Super Bowl 58, enjoy jumping into the world of a nervous, excited and loving mother, Lisa McCaffrey._________________Subscribe to our Youtube Channel for more powerful conversations at the intersection of high performance, leadership, and meaning: https://www.youtube.com/c/FindingMasteryGet exclusive discounts and support our amazing sponsors! Go to: https://findingmastery.com/sponsors/Subscribe to the Finding Mastery newsletter for weekly high performance insights: https://www.findingmastery.com/newsletter Download Dr. Mike's Morning Mindset Routine! https://www.findingmastery.com/morningmindsetFollow us on Instagram, LinkedIn, and X.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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with Lisa playing college soccer at Stanford University, her husband, Ed, winning three Super Bowls with the Denver Broncos, and her father earning a silver medal in the Olympics. And all four of Lisa's sons have played collegiate football as well. I mean, talk about a formula. I loved this conversation. We get an exclusive look into the universal theme of parental emotions, capturing the essence of any parent watching their child pursue a passion. Lisa shares insights on love, support, purpose, and genuine excitement for her family, making for an inspiring and relatable discussion for sports enthusiasts, of course, football fans for sure, anyone interested in family dynamics, and parents who can relate to the emotions of watching their children chase their dreams.

With that, live from Las Vegas on the eve of Super Bowl 58, let's jump right into the world of a nervous, excited, and loving mother, Lisa McCaffrey. Mic check. Mic check. Okay. Hi, how are you? So great to see you. Me too. How are you doing? I'm doing great. I'm doing awesome. Very, very appreciative of where, of where things are right now and just praying for a big victory, but I'm also just so nervous. So you've been the mother of an elite athlete for the last, I don't know, six years, seven, seven years. He's been in the league for seven

years. Before that, he wasn't an elite athlete. It just started. It just started seven years ago. And then before that at Stanford for four years, did he go all four, three, three years? Yeah. He's a dropout. Okay. Um, so Lisa, what is it like being a mom going into the Superbowl where your son is a key feature in the success of the team? Oh, wow. Um, well I'll let you know on Sunday what it's like, cause I've never done this as uncharted territory in that it's my son. I've been there when my husband did this. Um, but now it's a whole new bag. You guys, you guys were together when your husband, yes. Yeah. We met in college. We've been married 31 years. Insane. So long time.

But what is it like right now? There's just a couple of days prior to usually for most people, this is the, um, this is, there's a, such an anxiousness and an energy around it that either you love it or you don't like, so how is it for you? Yeah, it's, um, uh, I try, I've been trying to keep, I've been trying to keep busy. I'll say that trying to like, just, you know, be, you know, to go for a little run in the morning and do stuff to just remain calm. But then, you know,

I walk out of the hotel and there's a big Superbowl 58 side and it's like, boom, hit you right in the face. And I'm like, my kid is playing in that. Or if I'm walking by and I see somebody in a Niner Jersey, I'm like, Oh my gosh, that's when I get my anxiety just goes off the chart. But, um, it just, you just want to win so bad. You want, you want bad. You don't want to disappoint anybody and you just want everything to go well. So that's what I'm hoping for. But yeah, I'm anxious. I'll say that.

Very nervous. But I'm trying not to be because I know it's wrong to be nervous. Well, I think it's probably pretty natural. Yeah, I assume so. Do you naturally run nervous? Yes, very nervous. Yeah. So generally you feel anxiety more than you would feel depression.

Absolutely. Yeah. So if you were to fall on one side of the ledger, it would be more on the anxiety side. Absolutely. Why do you, is there one, like people have a tendency to do one of each? Yeah, I think even like, let's not diagnose anything about anybody, but like, if I were to fall on, on one side of the coin, you know, or one side of the ledger, I would fall on the anxiety side as well. Okay. And so definitely. Yeah.

So it's the same for you. Some people, it's, they're both mood disorders. They're both mood conditions, if you will. They're both emotionally charged ways to go through life. The depression side is like, man, it's just hard. It's just, just feels really hard to, to wake up and like get going. And you're definitely not that. No, that is no, I'm like, I, my eyes open and I can't go back to sleep because I have some anxiety. Like I have to go, go for a run. I have to do something.

So you use your physicality to try to work it out. I feel better. I listen to music and dance or, or, or go for a run. That's my go-to. I have to be honest. So, okay. Well, that makes some sense. You also have athleticism in your history as well. Yeah. So can you explain what your success, your level of success in athletics? Um, I played, I played a ton of sports in high school, a lot of different sports, everything from tennis track, cheerleading at soccer. And, um, I ended up, uh, playing soccer in college, playing soccer at Stanford. And yeah, it was intense.

I ran track a little bit too, but I just, I don't know. I like to run. I feel better when I'm running or if I went for a run, I always feel better after. I just, I feel the need to do it. Like sometimes I'll go to sleep and dream about running. It's so weird, but I just love, love, love to do it with really good music. Nothing makes me feel better. Okay, there you go. So it is a go-to for you.

It is a go-to for me. What are the other strategies that you naturally use to be able to work through the anxiousness that you're at least the anxiousness you're feeling now? I just try to talk to myself and say, it's not about me. Me being nervous. Isn't going to help Christian me being nervous. Isn't going to help anybody. So I just need to, I need to calm down, but it's, it's hard to do that. I'll be honest. I used to, well, let me brag about myself for one second. I used to bite my nails to a bloody pulp. Like, I mean, till I was, since I was 50 years old, I would bite from five years old to five years old. I would bite my nails even before we got in this crazy

business when I was playing sports. And at 50, I said, I am done. I am a 50 year old woman. This is absurd. My nails look awful. So I started getting my nails done, which sounds so stupid, but it would, it would make me stop biting them. And I actually have stopped. It's been what, four, five years now, and I haven't fit my nails. So there's a little progress. That's my rag. It's so stupid. And do you feel your, so I'm, I'm thinking about all of the parents in our community and I'm thinking about your experience right now. Like, do you feel the anxiousness of your son? Is it in your body or is it more running thoughts?

And you can have both. It's both. It's definitely both. Like the things will pop in my head and then my body will feel. And then you feel it. And do you feel it in your stomach? My stomach. Yeah, my gut.

And it's, is it like the butterfly type of feeling or is it more than that? It's more like butterflies are punching the inside of my stomach. They're really mean and big butterflies. They're like steroid butterflies and they're hitting the inside. That's what it's like. Yeah. Okay, good. So, so that actually is serving a purpose and that purpose is to get you ready for something.

Like that's what's happening. It's a bit of a, yeah, it's a fight flight mechanism, but it's too early. Right. Right. Why don't, yeah. Why? It's just, it's too early. Yeah. Because your mind is so powerful that when you start thinking about something, you can, your brain, your body can't quite tell if those images are real or if they are like just your imagination. So it will always default on the side of safety and emergency. And so it goes, let me just get ready right now because I can't tell because these images are so amazing and radical that I got to turn myself on right now. So that's what's happening. Okay.

Yeah. It's a normal thing. Okay. And then you have the pill that makes that go away. There's lots of them actually. Give me some right now, please. There's lots of the gray market, black market. The pills are probably not your best strategy. Breathing is a good one. Okay. I've tried that. Self-talk, which you talked about and meditation. Those are three really nice ones. And then exercise and then being around other

people that are grounded. Yes. Okay. That helps, you know, and, but let's, let's go back to the origin. Why are you anxious about your son's game? It's not your game. You already brought that up. It's not in one other element to that. Are you nervous? He would get hurt. Are you nervous? He would make mistakes. Both. Those are the two things that I get nervous, mostly injury and just making mistakes and I just really want them to win because I know how happy he would be and how much he's worked for this moment. See, that's a different one that a mom or dad would have that's different than other people like that. That's what I'm trying to tease out that the natural fears of

injury and feeling a certain way if he blows it. Right. Like that would be awful as a parent. Yeah. And then the other thing, I know how bad he wants it, how much he cares, how much he's dedicated. And I want him to experience that. Yeah.

Is that kind of the soup? Yeah. That's it. All that mixed into one. Just can we fry that up and burn it and get rid of it? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. Or give me that pill. Yeah. Those pills just numb things. Yeah. What is one of, what is one of your favorite experiences of Christian? Your favorite memories?

My, one of my first and favorites is I, we talk about it all the time. Seventh grade or seven year old Christian playing in his first year playing tackle football. Uh, or actually I think it was, yeah, I think it was seven years old for this, really this team that had never won it one before they get to the championship. I mean, this is seven year old mind. You might've been eight year old now that I think about it, but they get to the championship against this team that was like our nemesis all year. We played them earlier and they killed us. They beat us. But then we went on and didn't lose a game the rest of the season. And so we kind of built and got better our team. Um, I remember

all the players on it. It's insane. So anyway, we get to the finals and it's double overtime and Christian is playing defense, you know, at the very end and they're, they just need to score. If they score, I think we tie and we go into another overtime because we had scored before. Anyway, he's playing defense. And he, like, jumps sideways. The quarterback jumps sideways. And he batted down a pass for the win.

And it was the coolest play ever. Like, it was a beautiful throw and everything. And he just, like, I don't know. He looked incredible. I just remember him looking incredibly athletic for a little kid. And I'm like, that was amazing. And I just, I, we all jumped up. I was crying. There was another dad. We were hugging and ran out. We picked him up with, it was, it was seven year old, seven year old football. It's so silly, but I remember that. And then of course, that's

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And so it's hard for me to make him feel better. I want to just make him feel better and realize it's okay. I just want him to want that so much for him just to be like, Oh, come on. It's okay. Everyone makes mistakes. If there, if it was something that was his fault or whatever the case is, I just, I just, you know, you're a mom, you instantly have this, this nurture feeling. You just want them to be better right away. You just never want them to be sad. That's not realistic.

Yeah. It's well, it's not realistic. That's the, like the short game and the long game. So the short game is, um, I don't want you to go through the prickly difficult emotions. The long game is, I'm glad that, uh, the long game is you need these things, you need to experience them to work through them so that you can be a strong, sturdy human, you know, in this crazy world that we're in. So, so how do you balance the two of those? You just do, you just, you just do, you have, you have to like go through it directly. You can't, you know, you have to talk about the thing, talk about things.

And so, you know, we've, some of our best moments are the car rides home. Now, like after a game, we'll be in the car. The best is I'm really thankful for Ed because he knows the game so well you know, we've, some of our best moments are the car rides home now, like after a game, we'll be in the car. The best is I'm really thankful for Ed because he knows the game so well. And he, they can, you know, they, and they, and yeah, my husband, sorry. They analyze every play. Like they'll talk about every play, especially if it stood out for some reason and try to figure out what he did wrong or what he wants. Does he want to talk about that? He does. And we don't, we don't start. He always starts usually. Yeah. That's a really important takeaway. But he, he likes to talk about it.

And then, and then eventually he and him after they, after we eat, we all are usually, we always usually feel a little bit better. And then he and Ed will break out the film and they'll start going over a film, which is always good. And like Luke, my youngest is also playing too. And both, both him and Christian, usually when they watch game films, it's never as bad as they think it was, or as good as they think it was. It's always. And as we know, this is like the ultimate team game.

So it's it's just I just hope everyone feels good and does well on Sunday. Ditto. Yeah. Are you rooting for the 49ers first and foremost? Yeah. Or you better not say it just because I'm sitting here. I was going to say, like, you're you're going to think I'm going to say it just because you're here. No, I've got friends on the Niners that I've, I've, I'm absolutely supporting and rooting for. And so, yeah. And it's my home state. Okay. Oh yeah. You have to. Yeah. A hundred percent. So good. Yeah. All right. Thanks. Good. I'll think of you cause you're a calming factor a day and you're rooting for. No, well you've got the, it's a good yin yang. I've got the calm energy. You've got all the

vibrance. It's a good, it's a good match there. Yeah. That's really good. You must make people feel excited about life. You bring such a, like an energy about you. Do you get told that often? Um, I have been told that I have good energy sometimes, but you know, like I'm a normal person. Now there's times I'm sad and down, but I have been told that before. Yeah. Actually a lot this year, because I think, um, my thing is, is I get nervous and I talk and I get, I just talk a lot and I talk fast and I know I just, I have that, that I don't, I need a community like to talk through it with them when I'm nervous. Whereas my husband's the opposite. He shuts down completely quiet. So we're, we're a great combo to game day. Well, imagine if both of you had

the same response, it'd be over the top, right if both of you had the same response. Yeah, exactly. It'd be over the top. Right. Yeah. One way or the other. Yeah. So breathing is really important in the kind of emptying your cup. That's a yellow. So wait, I have a question.

Do you think it's good to run? Because I'm exerting so much energy running. You're a physical being. Yeah. Okay. Because I'm like, I don't want to insert because I want to try to have good, have enough energy to calm myself down. No, no, no. That's really good. So if you think about the, the, the, the recipe, if you will, it's something physical, something psychological,

something emotional and something social. And then where, and then where's that pill? Where does that fall? That's not the first default. Darn it. Gosh, I need a magic potion here. People ask me all the time, like, like let's say a golf moment or something like that. How do you help me be better in golf? And it's, you know, just take a couple of shots of tequila, but that's not sustainable. This is not sustainable. And I don't drink. I don't drink on the game day at all.

I try maybe after if there's a little celebration, but I don't, cause that's the recipe for disaster. It's a numbing too. Like, I feel like you want to feel all of it. Even if it's hard with the anxiousness, you want to be fully clear minded. Right. That's how I feel. I feel I need to be clear minded too. And not foggy and numb. Right. Right. Like really switched on and engaged. Yeah. Yeah. I see that for you. And then go back to the car ride. The car ride home is the most dangerous part of most people's sport. It's the number one reason why kids leave sport is because that car ride home is too intense. It's too much for the kids that just laid it all out there and made a bunch of mistakes or didn't get play time.

So how do you structure the car ride home? It might be one of the greatest gifts you can give the person listening right now that has a kid that's playing. Like how do you structure this? Um, yeah, the only, the only thing we do is we wait for Christian to give us the cue. I have to like, for example, with him, cause everyone knows him or any of our kids. So are you already in the car or are you walking to the car? We usually walk to the car together. Yeah. Yeah. So we usually have a big group. It starts with a big group and then we, we get slowly get smaller. And then it's usually his fiance, Ed and I, and Christian in the car, which I'm telling you, those 30 minute car rides home are the best. They're the amazing it's it's yeah. Even if things aren't perfect, um, it's,

it's just all finally we're like in our own safe little environment and you can vent if you need to. And, and sometimes we don't talk football on the way home. And honestly, we all wait for Christian to give the cue. If he wants to talk about it, he will. Ed sits in the front seat next to him and they can go back and forth, which most of the time he does want to talk about it. But there are times, you know, we just start laughing about something that happened during the game, you know, or, or talk about some incident or something that, that we,

we happened to us and the stands. Okay, good. So you're bringing him into your experience until he wants to say, Hey, did you see that third down call or whatever, whatever the thing was. And I'm trying to pull back on when they were little. Cause I know probably a lot of listeners are like our moms of young kids, but I mean, honestly, my advice is just like not to talk about it. Let them queue it up. Let them talk about it. Or how'd you feel today?

How did you know? How'd your body feel? So you will start with that's what I would think. Yeah. Or, or like, wow, that was a fun day or nice weather. I don't know. Just, just something to, and you just, sometimes they don't want to talk. Sometimes you just, if you take the cue, they just want to like be in their own head. I was probably, we were probably bad about that at first. Cause we didn't know as parents. And when the kids were really little, we would all of a sudden start in and try to talk. But as I got older, sometimes they just need to decompress for a bit. Like I have every, we have four boys and each of them have a different demeanor.

So there were some that just were quiet for a bit and needed to like, you know, think about what happened or let it go. Whatever it, whatever it was, good, bad or ugly. The point is that you, you were observant of when you're at your best, you're observant of what they need. Right. We tried to be tried. I mean, not perfect by any means, but we tried to be. So, I mean, one of the mistakes I make is I

talk to, I know, and you know a lot about this. So we want to give as much as we possibly can. Right. And if the ratio is anything, if it, if it's anything other than me talking 20% and him talking 80%, it's probably not right. Yeah. Right. Right. That makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. So that's like a ratio that I think about.

It's almost like a horseshoe approach. Okay. Yeah. And for you guys though, as adults. Yeah. What is it? Yeah. What is that ratio?

Yeah. And honestly, it varies because it really does. It varies because sometimes he doesn't want to talk about it just for whatever reason. And we don't eventually, he always does. I'll say that he's lives and dies for this. This is his sport. This is what he loves. This is his passion.

And, and my husband has equal passion for it too. He loved it. He loved playing. He just loves the game, the actual X's and O's and they love to analyze that. So they do ultimately we'll talk about it sometimes not right away though. So Olivia and I will sit in the back and kind of laugh about and look at

pictures and, and stuff and we'll listen to sometimes as well but they do i think he likes to talk about it is yeah well in general some light to your point some like and some want to be kind of they want to they're more introverted in their processing right what do you hope that mothers can better understand like your life lesson is really, your life experience is very unique. You are a mother of one of the best in the world right now at, at the game that your son loves incredibly much. Yeah. And by the way, um, so I was in the league. I don't care about your fantasy team. No, no, no, no, no. Nine seasons with the Seattle Seahawks. And, um, you can ask anyone on our team, the, the athlete that I, I loved watching the most at warmups and the game was your son at warmups. Wow. It is a

masterpiece. It's a masterpiece the way that he warms up and it's beautiful and it's amazing. And you can just see him switching on and getting tuned, getting mentally ready. Yeah. And it's beautiful and it's amazing. And you can just see him switching on and getting tuned, getting mentally ready. Yeah. And then there's a, there's a next level that happens when he's actually playing. So it feels to me like this really purposely designed crescendo is beautiful. He's equated it to like classical music. Like, you know, there's kind of the build up, like, and he, sometimes he will listen to classical music before games. That's he has in his headphones not always but sometimes he does and that's how he equates it like he's just the critters like you said the crescendo the build up so he can just like be explosive when he gets out there that's what he does you know his ideal mindset no i can't you

know your ideal mindset for watching a game my ideal ideal mindset is, would be calm, cool and collected and enjoy the game and appreciate where we are. But, and how do you, what is your crescendo to get to that place? I mean, I always go back to running that, that just, that gets me the physical, you rely mostly on the physical, like even during the game, sometimes I'll, um, I'll like leave where we are and I'll like walk, I'll walk around, you know, not usually around the big stadiums, but I'll go for like a quick walk when there's a break or a timeout or something. I'll like leave where we are and I'll like walk. I'll walk around, you know, not usually around the big stadiums, but I'll go for like a quick walk when there's a break or a timeout or something. I like to move. That does make me feel better.

Yeah. Because you're so physical, I would just, I would ask you to maybe consider exploring breathing, like long exhales. I've tried breathing. It's just, I'll start breathing. And then my mind's like, you're an idiot. Like, what are you doing? Like, you know, there's, you should be intense. You should be, you should be nervous. So there's a, mind's like, you're an idiot. Like, what are you doing? You should be intense.

You should be, you should be nervous. So there's a, there's a sweet spot. I know. You know, like. I know it's good for you. Yeah. Christian works on breathing all the time in the off season. He does a lot of stuff underwater.

Yeah. Works with some surfers and professional surfers. And it's amazing. He's like swears by it, but I need to work on that for sure. I'll tell you that right now. I know. Try the next couple of days. It's simple.

Yeah. Like let's say four seconds in, eight seconds out. Okay. In through your nose, out through your nose. You're making me breathe right now. Yeah. Why not? You are so funny.

You are so much fun. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Last question. I didn't get to really express the fullness of this question. If there was one thing that you could pass on to mothers about the unique situation that a mother has with a son or a daughter that is trying to be

their very best yeah what do you really want to say to them gosh um oh man my advice first off whatever it is even if it's out of your comfort zone and they're passionate about something you're not comfortable with, nurture that, like support them, give them every chance to make it in whatever it is, because a kid's only going to do as well as their, as well as what they are passionate about. Like they have to have that drive within them. And you know what, at some point in their life, it might switch, it might be something else and that's okay.

But you've got to let them lead. And then all your job, I, in my opinion, your job is, is there is to be there to support them, um, nurture them. Like I was neurotic growing up about feeding them. Cause I felt like that was the one thing I could do, um, that would help their bodies grow and be the best athlete they wanted to be. And so I would make sure I'd cook. I cooked like voraciously for years. Oh my gosh, if only you knew how much I spent at Whole Foods. It was insane. But I would cook, I tried to cook healthy, hearty meals. That was important to me to get that in their body

so that they can do what they can do at their best. Do you have a guiding purpose as a mom that is helping you make the choices that you're making? The way that you pour into your kids? I, I never really thought about a guiding purpose. I have to be honest. I just, these kids were born and I just, you know, you just like love them more than yourself. You really do. And you just, it's just, I think it's like an innate, innate thing inside yourself that you just like, you would do anything for your kids. I feel that

now I know there's some of those crazy moms out there that don't feel the same, but, um, but I just, I just, I had these kids and I just, all of a sudden was like, wow, I have to protect them. Um, I have to help them grow and nurture and be the best they can be. And I just tried to do that with all of my heart and tried, you know, I don't know. I'm sure they have complaints. Let's not get them on. So maybe like, yeah, she was annoying or well, let's, let's play this out. Like, let's go to the end of your life, whatever image that you have. And we're talking about Christian right now because of the super bowl. And like, and if he was standing next to you or standing like in your laying down type of moment and he's holding your hand,

what would you hope? Yeah. What would you hope he would say in that moment? Oh, I would hope right now he would say, thanks for that hug after I won the Superbowl. You didn't want to go there. You almost did. I did. I was like, oh man. Did you start feeling a bunch, even just imagining that? I'm about to cry and I don't want to cry. Yeah. No, seriously, I would just hope that he felt the love that I feel for him and his brothers as well. I just would hope that they would feel that they were so loved and that it's going to be okay. That I'll be okay.

Don't worry about me. Go and have the best life you can possibly live and be healthy and happy. And I just hope they know how much I love them. That is your guiding purpose. That is amazing. Yeah. Do you feel all of that? Yeah. Yeah. I want to, I want to cry as well. Like that's, that's the guiding purpose I have. That's so resonating. To me, I want to cry as well. Like that's, that's the guiding purpose I have. That's so resonant. And to me, I just assume every mom feels that way. Lisa, thank you. Um, I am wishing your family all the success and I'm, I'm at this, at another level, I'm also wishing for the greatest experience for the rest of your life. I don't know what that will be, but, um, yeah. And, and the, the more transactional is like, let's go get a win. Let's go get this thing.

Let's have a great game, you know? And at the same time, there's a long game here that I'm so rooting for you guys. The character is evident. The love is clear. The family unit is such a powerful force in your life. And thank you for standing that up and being the emblem of giving and loving and honesty. Like your honesty as a parent and the honesty say I'm a nervous wreck. It's not a game. And just thank you for sharing the way that you've shared that. It's an,

I think it might be a bigger gift than you realize. And thank you for sharing it with me. Oh, you're welcome. You're welcome. Thanks for making me centered and getting back to myself and realizing that this is a game and that I just have to be here for Christian. So thank you. Do you feel that, that recentering? You don't have to. I do, but then I'll walk out and see if I see somebody walking in the street with Chris

Jersey, then I get anxiety because I want him to win for those people so bad. Yeah, I know. I know. Yeah. Yeah. Those triggers are so, I know there's triggers all over here too. So all over in Vegas, but it's beautiful. It's, I have to sit back and be like, this is amazing. This is good pressure. Someone once said to me, pressure is a blessing. You know, the fact that we can be here, this is a, this is Billie Jean King talked about pressure as a privilege. Yeah. That idea. It's exactly. Exactly. She's right. Yeah.

So here we are. I'm excited. It's a good, let's go Niners. Let's go Niners. Let's go McCaffrey's. Thank you. Yes. Thanks.

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