Finding Mastery with Dr. Michael Gervais - Peter Park, Fitness and Wellness Coach

Episode Date: June 20, 2018

This week’s conversation is with Peter Park, founder of the Platinum brand and co-owner of the Platinum Fitness Summerland facility in Santa Barbara, California.He brings to this conversation a history rich of stories from the frontier. A blend of his own limit pushing achievements and 23 years of experience training elite athletes, big-screen celebrities, top touring musicians, and recreation folks that are serious about their fitness, mobility, and longevity.Peter has trained the best of the best -- Lance Armstrong, Kelly Slater (11x World Champion surfer), Lakey Peterson (currently #1 in the world right now for professional surfing), 2017 Major League Baseball MVP Giancarlo Stanton, and motocross game changers Chad Reed and Ken Roczen are among the athletes that Peter has nurtured through various stages of their careers.Peter recently authored a book called “Rebound” on Foundation Training, which lengthens and strengthens the back body, equaling out one’s total body strength, posture, flexibility, and overall body awareness.In this conversation we discuss what he’s learned from training the best in the world, why Peter struggles with the idea of balance, and what cancer has taught him about embracing every moment.I hope you can appreciate Peter’s humility and as a friend of Peter's, I hope you get a sense of the man he his, far more than the craft he's mastering…. see if you can dig into what he's searching for, how he goes about it, and why it matters so much to him._________________Subscribe to our Youtube Channel for more powerful conversations at the intersection of high performance, leadership, and meaning: https://www.youtube.com/c/FindingMasteryGet exclusive discounts and support our amazing sponsors! Go to: https://findingmastery.com/sponsors/Subscribe to the Finding Mastery newsletter for weekly high performance insights: https://www.findingmastery.com/newsletter Download Dr. Mike's Morning Mindset Routine! https://www.findingmastery.com/morningmindsetFollow us on Instagram, LinkedIn, and X.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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All right. This week's conversation is with Peter Park. He's the founder of Platinum Brand and the co-owner of Platinum Fitness, and that's based in Santa Barbara, California. And he brings to this conversation a history rich of stories from the frontier and a blend of his own limit-pushing achievements, as well as 23 years of experience training the best of the best of the best athletes. Peter literally, when I say he's trained the best of the best, I mean it. Lance Armstrong, how about it? Kelly Slater, 11-time world champion in the most difficult sport in the world, surfing.

Lakey Peterson, currently number one in the world right now for professional surfing. Derek Fisher, who you recognize that name. Al Horford, five-time NBA all-star. The legend Diana Taurasi. Motocross game changers Chad Reed and Ken Rosen, Major League Baseball's Giancarlo Stanton are among the athletes that Peters nurtured throughout various stages of their careers. So he's recently written a book called Rebound on Foundation Training. And so his first book on Foundation Training was a game changer. Check it out if you're not familiar with it. And his new book, Rebound, it's about lengthening and strengthening the back body. It's super simple. It increases body awareness for sure. And I encourage you to check it out if you're interested. If you don't have a trainer, if you don't have someone in your local network that's world class, this is a book to buy for sure. In this conversation, we discuss what he's learned

from training the best in the world, why he struggles with the idea of balance, and what cancer has taught him about embracing every moment. I hope you can appreciate his humility after what he's done and what he's experienced and the things that he's felt and seen. And as a friend of Peter's, I hope you get a sense of the man he is far more than the craft he's mastering. See if you can dig into what he's searching for, how he goes about it, and why it matters so much to him. You'll hear it in his voice. You'll hear it in his tone. And with that, let's jump right into this conversation with my friend, Peter Park. Peter, how are you? Good.

All right. I always get stoked at this moment because it's like this fun little awkward moment about, because we're about to have a rich, real conversation, you know, that's about you and your understandings, the path you've been on, the insights you have, the hard times, the wonderful times and how you help people become better. But I get geeked right here, right in this moment. I get so excited because I don't know how it's going to unfold. Me either. A little nerve wracking, a little exciting and nerve wracking at the same time. All at the same time. Yeah. Isn't that amazing? Okay. Is that for both of us?

Yeah, for me. Yeah. Okay. So are there any, I don't know, bumpers or borders or limits that you want to make sure that we talk about? Full disclosure. You're so clear about that. Yeah. I just, I've lived a big life so far and I'm happy to share it. You know, the problems along with the, you know, the good stuff. Yeah.

You've had, you've, you've touched the dark side. You've had great celebrations. Like you, when I think of a full life, you've worked with the best in the world for a long time. Okay. So check that box for, as far as I don't know, I want to say credibility, but that's not it, but understanding how the elite performers minds and systems work like you really do. So we can do that. And we could spend hours on just your insights there. But I'm more interested in how you've arrived.

So what are the most important things? Like if we don't have 20 years to do this conversation properly, but what are the most important things that have happened in your life that have helped shape you, that have brought you to be the man that you are today? Probably just starting from childhood. Yeah. Starting there. Let's go. That shaped me. What was that like? It was, I grew up in a family of 12 kids, you know, down in Cronin-El Mar, Newport Beach area.

And we were, you know, we were a huge family, you know, big, big family. Parents, you know, my dad worked a lot um mom was you know the homemaker always home always there the peacemaker everyone you know the dad you know my dad was a little growing up i didn't have a lot of uh let's say there wasn't a lot of emotion emotions weren't really and there was no hugging i knew he loved me i mean that wasn't a lot of emotion. Emotions weren't really, there was no hugging. I knew he loved me. I mean, that wasn't an issue. I mean, he showed up my games, but there was no real kind of like caring as far as emotions went. And it wasn't like, I love you. Like, how are you really doing? You know, it was like, oh, Peter's fine. He's out doing his thing.

It's interesting because your clients, your athletes that you work with they know how much you care about them yeah i think i've overemphasized i'm that way i'm trying to be almost opposite of how that was i mean like now i hug my kids like all the time i mean like dad i know i let you love me okay you know it's like you know it's like my son when he gets to high school i don't care you're still kissing me before you leave that car you know i mean you know it's still so it's it was like there was not there was not like i'm saying there's not a lot of you know emotional like uh physical like you know love as far as that went with my dad. Do you think that it works that way for most people is that they had something early that I don't know, it was important, good, bad, whatever.

It was important early on. And then that was important to you that, that dad's love wasn't dramatically shown, but you knew it. Yes. And then here you are in the world working with the best of the best in so many different sports in the physical world. And you're also adding the emotional care piece to it. Yeah. Do you think that's for, do you have that insight for most of the people that you work with that holds up in some way for them? Okay. So let's pull out of your childhood for just a minute. We're going to come back for for sure what have you learned about the best in the world they're different yeah there's different i mean there's something you know like i know when when i have someone like a lakey or a lance when they walk in the gym for clarity lakey peterson and lance armstrong lance i just i've trained a lot of very big athletes, baseball guys, John Carlo and Justin Verlander.

When they walk in, I tell people, they can be happy-go-lucky. When they get in there, it's like Terminator. It's like the eyes turn on, and it's like a different human being. I mean, they're just focused. Things just don't seem to happen. Excuses don't happen. They just come in, they do their thing. There's no like, oh God, I just got stuck here, stuck there. They just

always seem to be present there and just focused. And do you think that that's because they're really clear about the mission and their time with you is really important to help them get closer to the mission? Yes. But I think they're like that in a lot of part of their life, not just the training. I think they're just, you know, they're so talented and they're smart enough to know that they have a gift and it has to be nurtured that there's, you know, once you get out there, you know, that little 10% makes the biggest difference. Big time. You know, it's that 10%. I mean, Lance always talked about that. I do that 10% better than everybody. That was one of his markers. Yeah. A statement that he would make.

The wind tunnel, the food, the, you know, he went to all ends to get, you know, ounces off his bike. You know, no one did that stuff. I mean, nobody. Okay. So you recognize that they're different and I'm going to extract that because they're deeply focused. They are committed. It's, there's a business to them. There's a competitiveness to them. There's an intelligence enough to know that they have to should strike the word enough. They're intelligent in a way that they know that they need to put in the work because they've got to nurture this talent that they have. Yeah. And some of it, I mean, I've talked about this with some people, like, you know, with some athletes, you know, I won't name names, but I'll go with anyone with a really normal childhood have this kind

of drive. It's like, you know, did something effed up happen? Like with me, it was like, I want, I mean, I had 12 kids, you know, my dad, you know, was an alcoholic, you know, my whole second, you know, from the time I was like in fifth grade when we moved. And it was just like this drive that I don't know where it came from. It just was like, you know, I remember my first surf contest when I was like in fifth grade when we moved. And it was just like this drive that I don't know where it came from. It just was like, you know, I remember my first surf contest when I was like in fourth grade.

That's where I started surfing. It's like I lost, and I went and surfed like eight hours a day for seven days a week, just like, you know, I don't know where it came. It just came from my soul. It was just one of those things where none of my brothers and sisters really had it, and they kind of lived in the same thing. But I think we all take the stress and what what happened to us in different ways some turn to drugs some me it was just boom into right into sports and from a really young age

do you have family members that turn to drugs uh we have in fact this is interesting we have i have 12 kids and a you know a couple of – one university did a big study on us because of the OCD and the anorexia in our family. So they looked for – and they did find some genetic markers that, you know, our family had propensity to that, you know, to OCD. Neuroticism. And anxiety. My mom had anxiety, you know, after her second kid. She had to, you know, get treatments and, you know, like those shocking treatments. And, and, you know, I never knew that until, you know, like well after, you know, I wasn't like out of college. What was that like to, it was weird. It was like, Whoa, you know,

I never, you know, you know, I never knew any of this stuff. You know, my mom was just like the one that was always there, you know, rocking me in the wheel, in the rocking chair and just the, you know, the peacemaker mom. So, so what did it, what was it like growing up with now knowing a peacemaker mom, but she was probably really good at making peace because she was so unpeaceful inside. Anxiety is an unpeaceful state. And then, so she didn't, she didn't spew that on people, right? She actually did something noble, which is like, let me try to help other people not have this inner turmoil that I have. So she was a peacemaker. Dad was

the alcoholic addict, alcoholic or addict? Alcoholic. Alcoholic. Okay. So classic mixing of a alcoholic slash codependent type of environment. With that, what was that like for you? It was, I think that that's where sports became my escape i mean from the time i was really young i mean i remember being in sixth grade and we're going on vacation like oh my god i got i'm gonna miss my volleyball and i would just go to the beach and do sprints and jumps and you know when i was i was 11 or 10 you know i was just escaping from something yeah yeah i mean literally because i i mean to this day i'm still a little bit that i You know, when I was 11 or 10, you know, I was escaping from something. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, literally, because I mean, to this day, I'm still a little bit that I mean, I'm working on it, but I'm still that person where, you know, something happens, you know, I can just numb it with with exercise. And I've done that, you know, for a long time. Yeah. I can't wait to talk about what you did for your first couple big events there. You know, like Iron or iron man was my yeah yeah my first event after you know i went surfing volleyball iron man trainer

okay all right all just as into it as the other one yeah you have been having oh yeah okay been, haven't you? Yeah. Okay. I love that you're talking about that because I recognize that in myself as well. And I recognize in other people equally as much that are exceptional at what they do. And I'm not trying to put myself in that category. Like it's might've sounded, I'm saying that there's a neuroticism that, that is embedded in a relentless uncommon drive to grow. And at some point it changes. So fire, it's playing with fire early on. And look, why am I invested in the interior?

Because I need to understand it. Why is that? Why would I be so interested in the interior from a young age? Yeah. Okay. Answer that question. And then, so I need to understand it.

So I, I'm still working on the interior. If I'm still playing with fire at my age and my, um, number of hours and years I've been in this, I'm, I think I'm missing something. And so when I say fire, I'm talking about the fire that can burn you. I'm not talking about passion, but when you play with that edge of anger and anxiety and numbingness, that stuff, it can get you can get you yeah yeah how does that show up in your life now now i'm you know people still say i'm that way i mean i drive to la four or five days a week wake up at four in the morning still work out probably two hours a day get in my

clients i mean all of my kids game i mean i mean they call me the grinder i mean i just like a robot i just don't i take really good care myself, so I don't physically ever really rarely break down. I get sick maybe once a year with a cold. I can just, I'm like, I can just go, and I've just, that's always been my mantra. You know, I just go. But lately, I have been definitely trying to get to that other side, you know, that self-awareness, you know, meditating. I want to, you know, I had a really intense experience with our friend Ed Snyder when

he passed away. That was one of the things that was really intense for me because when he, I was, he was one of my first clients and I had him in 89 or 90, you know, so we had. He died at 90? No, he died. I know I started training him in like 89 or 90, 1989. So had he died he died at no he died we i know i started training him in like 89 or 90 1989 so like 30 25 30 years he's such a good man and he was not the best he's like you know i always you know that's another thing i always searched out male role models

oh you did always so what was it i didn't know that was ed ed was one of my yeah i adored the guy he was like a dad i didn me. I didn't know that. So obviously we both knew him. Yeah. But he was a big-time influencer. Yeah. Oh, huge. Folks that are listening won't know who he is. Ed was one of my first clients.

But people won't know who Ed is. Okay, Ed Snyder was a man from Philadelphia that lived in Santa Barbara part-time. Billionaire, owned the 76ers, owned the Flyers, a big philanthropist, helped inner city kids, you know, just the salt of the earth guy. I mean, like literally, I can't say enough about him. I start tearing up if I start talking about him because he's just that guy. He never went through his secretary. I mean, everything was personal with him. Everything was, you know, just right. He never bullshitted. He was just straight to the point. I mean, he was personal with him. Everything was, you know, just never bullshitted. He was just straight to the point.

He just, I mean, he just told, he just told me straight. He was like, you know, everything I did wrong or everything he thought I did wrong. I mean, I knew him when he was, you know, when I was not, wasn't even married, you know, and, and. And you weren't actually that good. Huh? You weren't that good yet. I was, I was the cocky little like you know i think i know everything point in my career when i first met him you know he's gone you're just crazy what do you know

what are you doing with me you know do you remember the first time you went to his house yes i do too and so it's amazing right oh i mean so you remember driving that drive the mile-long driveway right next to oprah's house i mean it's great so you remember driving that drive? Yeah, the mile long driveway right next to Oprah's house. It's great. So I drive up and I'm like, you got to be kidding me. Like, this is what it's like in Santa Barbara, Montecito, right? Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. Beautiful, right? And so this is the first time I met him. And I said, Ed, what a place you have here. Right. And he just looks me straight in the eyes and he says yeah it is beautiful isn't it so it wasn't it wasn't about like yeah it wasn't the diminishing that's okay you know or or is it like yeah check out let me show you

like it wasn't a brag it wasn't sometimes when people try to downplay it feels like they're embarrassed or they really want you to amplify it. But it was like, it is beautiful, isn't it? Yeah, and he was the type of guy that would, you know, when he'd get a new $500,000 car, oh, take my car and pick up your son at school, you know? And when I'd walk in, he'd go, how are you doing? No, really, how are you doing? Like, not just how are you doing.

It was like, dude, something's wrong with you. Tell me what's going on, you know? So he knew my kids, and we talked about his kids and, you know, I went through, you know, a couple of marriages with them. I remember the funniest thing is I remember the last time he got married, I was in Hawaii and I goes, I can't believe I'm not, you're not coming to my wedding. I go, I'll just go to your next one. Just said in my matter of factly. And I, and he just, you know, flipped me off and was like, dude, you know, but it was, it was one of those funniest things where I just went, you know,

I'm like, oh, God, I can't believe I said that. But we'd laugh about it. He still, you know, to the day he died, he got on to me about that. Did you cry with him? Oh, yeah. So when he first got, I mean, that's where, you know, we became friends. I mean, I trained him forever. I went to Philly, took my kids.

My kids loved him. He had a movie room in his thing. We go watch hockey with them you know he was passionate about the hockey so he came in the gym one day and he goes you know I have you know I have this little cancer thing you know it's a it's a bladder thing but you know they say I can get it out and I go okay and they go well they want me to get a colostomy back but I'm not going to do that because they said it's not going to make that big of a difference you know two months later we're training and he can't do a squat I'm like Ed what's wrong he goes what he goes oh I think I need a total hip I'm like dude your hips aren't

bad I go call your doctor something's going on here cancer spread everywhere to his bone so from then that day on it was just a fight. He was a fighter. He was like, I'm going to, I'm going to cure this. You know, he loved life more than anyone I knew. He, every day he loved life, everything he did. You know, what did you learn from Ed? Oh, I learned about, you know, how precious life is and how, how do you translate that to your clients you work with? Just teach them that, you know, for one, you gotta be a little more balanced. Sports isn't everything. It could be taken away. Like anything can be taken away from you and you can, you have to love life

and you know, it's, it's don't stress about sometimes the little things, those little things can, you know, if you're not, okay. People say that they They say that all the time. But how do you really help people with that? OK. Well, let me finish this with Ed. So what happened is he fought and he didn't want to give up. And it got to the point where I was like, Ed, you've got to let go. You're angry. I don't want you to die angry.

I don't want you to die like this. This is like we would go and he would go, I'm fucking walking that to that end of that pool and back. I don't care. And this was like, he was like two weeks from dying. And he just, to that point, because there's one more treatment, I think, you know, these people give me like these false hopes. Like there's one more, you know, these people are flying from, you know, he had a billion dollars. He could do anything, you know? That's another thing I learned is I don't care how much money you have, you know, when he comes knocking on your door, it's not, you know, but then the most beautiful thing happened two weeks before he died. He just let go. And we had the Tuesdays with Maurice talks, like crying, telling me what was

going on, like what, you know, he goes, and literally a week, maybe two days before I died, he goes, Peter, look at me, what I want from you, I want a soft landing for you when you're older. And I'm like, you know, that was like, I thought about it. He always wanted me. He goes, dude, you ride too high. You know, you need to mellow out and you need to enjoy the little things more. Go on vacations. You know, because he goes, you never want to vacate.

You don't do anything. You know, you just work. You know, and he did that when he was a kid. And he learned how to do that. But goes but i'll never forget i mean we were around five of his you know billionaire i mean here i am the trainer with like five of the most powerful people in the world practically at his bedside right before he's gonna die and he looks at me and points his finger and says that and i'm like whoa you know that, you know, that hit me because these conversations we had was just about his life and how he worked and the mistakes he made in his first marriage and what he sees I'm doing wrong. And, you know, how, you know, the L.A. thing and how, you know, you bring out spreadsheets like, you know, if you just did this and saw these people, you wouldn't have to go here.

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to take more time off i'm trying to just enjoy the little things i mean i do enjoy little things when i happen but i i do it and then i get in these patterns where i go back you know i like i forget and then i all of a sudden i take on some client where i shouldn't have done you know and it takes up you know i'm writing workouts till you know 11 at night you know for these people and but what do you, what are you searching for? Well, like what, what is the thing that's driving the relentless work that's gotten you good? Yeah. Like, great. That's, you know, that's my question, right? And that's that mastery question you talk about, because I'm like, I have the math. I mean, I started out as a

cocky trainer, you know, like thought I knew everything, no principles. Like I'd go to seminar and the next day I'm trying something totally opposite of what I did just because I learned it. You know, I knew no principles like, oh, this guy said this, this could do this, you know, it was totally opposite of what I did. But then you form principles and you kind of, you get like in there tested over a lot of people and you go, oh, okay, this is what I believe.'s you know you discard stuff you learn and you bring in all the stuff you like and then and then you know I can teach it now and I'm confident now before I'd like didn't want anyone to know I'd be secretive like I don't want these kids to know what I do this you know now I'm like

come on you know I'll show you everything I do I'm totally open with that but the one thing I see with people who have mastery is they have they're more content than me they're more they take clients you know more they just only they take a handful and they do others they write and they're you know they spend time at home they don't they sleep until 10 they're just more zen like than i am i still am like that, you know, radical, like, you know, more is better where all the people I really admire, Ed, for example, trainers that admire Pavel, the kettlebell guy, they're just so much more in balance with, you know, I hate that word balance, but you know, that's kind of a hard word to say, but it's one thing with them. They just need to have more than

me. They're more content. They're more content. I think that's a really powerful word. Content. I think balance is a mythical ridgeline. I agree. I don't, I don't know anyone that has it. Yeah. I know everyone goes, you never, you're always seeing like you're on, like you're not, you don't, you seem a little uncomfortable in your own skin. I've been like that my whole life. And I, that's where I'm like, that's what that soft landing always comes in like god you know how do i find that you know where how do i find that well i know someone that knows about that yeah so okay and that is that a real question do you really want that

no seriously no i do yeah i told you that when we had lunch at my dream i've had it three or four times where I'm like in a cabin with my wife and we're mountain biking and drinking coffee. And I dream about it. I mean, it's like, but what is my psychosis or whatever? It sounds like an addiction. It's like addiction. Yeah, but I'm not sure that you could. So you've got the dream.

That's part of it. But to actually let go of the patterns that got you here. No. But I would like to loosen them a little bit. You're like, no. Loosen the reins a little bit so I can like – It's no longer for you about working with the best. No.

No. Because I – But your skill set is – I like working with – if I see someone – it drives me crazy. I see someone like on the street and oh god my knee I just can't fix that you know you know I just want I'm like I know exactly what to do you know don't call me I'll help you and then I'm like what did I just do that for that is you yeah okay because well you ready yeah in the family of 12 15 yeah right With parents, because they were in some ways like kids as well. Right.

Right. Okay. I don't want to be rude to your parents, but like, that's a, that's a hard job. Right. Okay. And at some point, um, some of our development can get compromised when we're so busy with taking care of other people. Okay. Is that you likely didn't get taken care of the way that you really craved. Well, I was the the good kid never got into trouble but that was your strategy yeah exactly and you still are yeah that's your strategy so but where's it born out of i don't know maybe not getting taken care of the way you wanted to yeah so what are you doing now as a professional man you take care of everybody you do take care of yourself as well. Yeah. But when is the ying and yang? When did the two of those meet? Because it is all ying for you. Yeah. Right.

Kids made a big difference. No, it's all yang. It's all yang. Kids made a big difference. And my wife made a big difference in my life because my wife, she, she taught me how to be, to communicate because there was no, there was no, was no – my thing was communicate. It was, okay, just take off and go for a 20-mile run and it's gone. She was like, no, you're fucking sitting here and talking to me. What's going on? Words. Yeah, oh.

And she taught me how to organize and just be a little more – I mean, she – without her, I would be a mess, a complete mess. She was like a savior for me. When did you guys meet? I was young. We ran at a race. I was like 21, complete mess. She was like a savior for me. When did you guys meet? I was young. I was, we ran at a race. I was like 21, you know, a mess. And she, you know, she just was very, you know, the most honest, straightforward person you'll ever meet. And you're, she's everything. I'm not pretty much. She's got everything that I don't do well. Yeah. I relate the same way with my wife and we met young and you know,

some of that, some of that challenges that figuring out who you are with another person that you're already really close with can be challenging and then it becomes really deep. And all the, all the, many of the ways that I get, I struggle in my own skin. She's like, what are you doing? Like, that's easy. And then the other way around, right? Hopefully, hopefully it works that way. Yeah. Okay. So let's go, let's go back. When you were 12, you use sport as an outlet. What do you, what were you searching for then? Oh, that's a good question. Uh to be noticed, maybe. Yeah. Yeah, because I'm like, I wanted to shine above everyone else. I've had this deep, deep, I mean, like everyone plays ping pong against me

or a word, you know, a name game of the song. I lose, it's like, you know, the world caved in, you know? It's like this deep competitive that I'm like, sometimes it scares me. I'm like, oh, my God, why am I, you know know like my son loses the baseball game and he's not even mad and I'm like I don't tell him this but inside you know you know you know I'm pissed at the second baseman to drop the ball you know they're eight years old but you're not an angry dude no not at all I'm not angry it's just it's a it's like a competitive like I, I just want to, like, if someone does something, you know, I was never the one with most talent, ever. Triathlon, volleyball, surfing, nothing, never.

Training, I just outgrinded everybody. It was like that, you know, work ethic wins over when talent doesn't train hard. That's exactly it, yeah. And I just, I was the epitome of that. You know, if someone would fall, boom. I was, or if someone could say I couldn't do anything, you'd see me out there practicing. You know what's interesting? Maybe not recognize enough, taking care of love deeply enough as a child. And that happens from addict families.

That's not uncommon. And I understand that. So then you go in to take care of everyone else like crazy about it. And you use sport as a way to kind of numb some of the – I should say competitiveness to numb some of the angst that comes with that, the uncertainty that comes with it. Okay. And then you said to be noticed. The way I know you, nobody knows. Nobody knows the deep work that you've been doing. Nobody.

I don't see you in the pictures with Lance, Kelly, Gian don't know i don't see you in the pictures with lance kelly no john carlo i don't see you in the pictures and i so i'm not i'm saying that because there's lots of guys that know right where the camera on they jump in front of the camera jump beside the camera taking selfies this that and the other and i think you and i both vibe on that that's nauseating nauseating and um okay so it's not to be noticed anymore when did that change when i turn from my own sports to other people for sure because then it came more about them them about them and then how could i fix them how can i you know i always wanted to like i'd get i'd get someone even now and i'll get them in there and i'll i'll look at them and i'll try to figure them out like okay what's going to motivate this guy. And then, you know, getting people

like, you know, and I'm confident now, like if, if I don't think I can do enough, I'll bring people, you know, my team, like you, Tim Brown, other doctors I like and form a team around them and, and just get, make them the best person they can be with whatever they need to be, whether it's psychological help or, you know, nutrition or whatever. And it's, well, for me, it's, I have to be all in with an athlete. It can't be, oh, you can only text me. It has to be, look, you have to, I have to talk to you two times a day, three times a day. I have to know what's going on.

I want to know how you're feeling. Like after every workout, I'll go, how long does it take? It's two seconds. Well, how's it, how'd it go today? You know, and that's where I think I rise above a lot of other trainers is they know I really give a shit, you know, and I do. So when I take on an athlete, it's like, okay, do I really want to do this because I'm going all in? And I tell them that. I go, you got to – I need communication or I can't do this.

You can't be – and I've had trouble with a few athletes that way where you're not getting back to me. I need to know what's going on, you know. What do you do? Do you cut people off? Yeah. sometimes it just doesn't it's not it doesn't work how does that happen do you fade away or do you say hey i'm sorry you deserve both they'll just go you're in too intense or you know you're you know you're you know you're not there's fits you know i'm sure you've had it with your, you know, sometimes there's a good fit and sometimes it's not. See, I'm clearly not as good at that that you are.

Like when I'm with somebody, I'm in. And then when we're not together, I don't know what happens. But I don't have that consumption that you have. No, I'm 24 you know like i care i too much you know to the point where my wife will make me leave the phone in the car because they're athletes or even you know billionaire guys are texting me oh i'm at this restaurant what should i order you know here's the menu and i'm like really you know but i've let but i haven't set those boundaries though and i don't really want to because it i don don't know, there's something, you know, it's just, it's almost being like a life coach. I mean, I think my training has become about 25% of it,

30%. It's that other, I give them like more life skills and just, you know, support. And like when they can't talk to coaches about injuries, they know they can talk to me and I'll find somebody, you know, it's a safety net almost. What is your primary skill? Is it the mechanics of the body? Is it the physiology of the body? Is it the integration of how the muscle skeletal neurological system works well with injury? Like what is the crown jewel? I mean, I, I mean, I had like the perfect pedigree for training. I mean, it couldn't have been any better. Let's walk through that. I mean, I started out, you know, surfing. You know, my brother made surfboards in Newport. And, you know, I surfed and did contests.

And what did you learn from surfing? I mean, I used to be really scared of big waves when I was little. You know, like when I was a kindergarten, you know, I surfed off this jetty in Coronado Mar where it was like the dream to catch a, it's called a foamer, off this big, and I was always scared of big waves for some reason. My older brother, who was like two years older than me, and my older brother was the king of the beach. He was like the best surfer out there, made all the surfboards, and my sister was like the queen, you know, so I was like, oh, I gotta get out, you know, you know, so in kindergarten I could surf, I could stand up, I was

good at like four years old, five years old, I was really good and i and but i was always a little nervous so it taught me just to face fears at first that was the first thing i learned you know of surfing was going out and facing those big ways you know that's the first time i really had peer pressure oh get out there you know you can do it you know but you know big ways you've been a big ways it's scary especially when you're four or five years old. It still scares me. Yeah. So that's another thing for surfing. But surfing was kind of a short-lived. And as soon as I found volleyball, that was over.

As soon as I discovered I started in my fifth grade, and that was my love. So you never had a thought that you wanted to be a professional surfer? A little bit at first. But then I'm saying as soon as I hit volleyball at 11 years old, boom, surf goes gone. It was just instant love. You still surf now, though? A little bit at first, but then I'm saying as soon as I hit volleyball in fourth, like 11 years old, boom, surf goes gone. It was just instant love. You still surf now though? A little bit. Not much. Not much.

Not much. So volleyball was it? That was the love. That was like, boom. That was like the most intense love ever. I mean, I was a prodigy in ninth grade. I was like all CIF. I was just always – I just didn't want to face it. I was a prodigy in ninth grade. I was like all CIF. I was just always – I just didn't want to face it.

I was too short. I pulled every ounce of talent I had out of my body. I just willed myself to be – I'm lucky we've talked about it. I lived right down the street from Karch Karai and his dad. Oh, legend. So I'd go down to the beach and I would – Podcast number one for this. Yeah, I listened to it.

I had to open the cards yeah so i would go to the beach and watch him train and who had another work ethic that was you know relentless yeah he was in high school were you around world-class people growing up well yes let me strike that you know i don't mean people i mean world-class talent yes you were my sister was married to jim mingus who was the best beach volleyball player almost of all time right you know and my in karch was right karch you know being at east beach was the mecca of that so i watched i i just i don't i mean right away boom i might focus went to karch when i was you know cool he was a high school kid and i'd watch him i knew you know i'd play with his dad his dad would play with me when i was like 11 and i would i would just watch him train and i and then

he i mean i was too embarrassed but as soon as'd leave, I just could do the same thing he did. I was like 11. So you were like, just, you know what I love? He'd run to the pier, I'd run to the pier. He would play one-on-one, I'd play one-on-one. I'm like, oh, he's doing that. Okay. This is internal drive. Yeah, for sure. Okay. So we, a lot of people that I meet that are best in the world are externally driven. You look at the research, it says, yeah, it should be internal driven. Like that's the long game. I see so many people that are externally driven. They want attention back to your early days. They want, they, right. What you're describing is I wanted to get better. Maybe you had some of that. I needed some attention. I wanted some attention, but the real driver, it sounds like

I wanted to get better. Oh, for sure. I want to get every ounce out of this frame of mine. All right. That's good. Does Karch know this? Probably not. I mean, he played with me in one tournament. Like I remember it was like, I was like, it was, you might, I could have, you could have lifted me off of a cloud. You know, I was like 11 and it was this little tournament at city college and you know it was like doubles christmas tournament and i was just like uh you know i was like and we i think we did really well i mean i was good i was really good as a i was i was double a when i was like 11 or 12 how do you say that and not you don't come off as arrogant how do you how did you i don't know that's weird i mean i don't know you're no one i

know whatever say you're that would ever say you're – I'm very intimately different that way. But no, you're not arrogant and you're like, yeah, I was good. But it doesn't come off like – I don't know. It doesn't come off lame. Well, I can think back now with almost like it's someone else because I lived two different – the volleyball seems like it sounds like almost another life when I was – because then from there I met all the John you know, John Stevenson and John, these are famous volleyball players, you know, John

Stevenson became like my mentor. He was like, he, he passed away last year, you know, of a drug overdose. And that really killed me because he was like my childhood. I mean, he took me under his wing and, you know, he worked at the Santa Barbara gym and fitness. That's the next phase, you know, this bodybuilding, you know, powerlifters, world record holders. So in eighth grade, I worked there as a desk guy. That was my introduction to weights. You know, that's where I'm like, you know, oh, my God, you know, watch these guys train, these big guys lifting a thousand pounds. And funny story, I remember here I am, I'm 12, 13, 14.

They give me an orange and a syringe and go, practice this. You know, we need you to give us our vitamins in the bathroom. So here I am at 12, 13-year-olds shooting these guys with steroids. No way. At 13 or 14 thinking it's vitamin B12 or something. Naive, totally naive me. I'm just like – I figured it out like when I was in college or something. Oh my god, I was not vitamin B12.

That was like anabolic steroids and D-ball and testosterone. I would go back. Peter, they'd call me Dr. Feelgood. Come back here. And I'd just shoot him in the ass. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Jesus.

And I worked the desk doing this. And then I learned. Wait. What were you doing working the desk at that age? I just loved it. And John worked the desk doing this and then I learned. What were you doing working the desk at that age? I just loved it and John worked there. Stevenson. So they just go, oh, we need someone. So my mom would drive me there. I'd work from like after school.

I could do my homework there from 4 to 9 at night all day on the weekends and I loved it. I mean I loved cleaning the stuff. I loved watching these guys power lift 800. And I started lifting and I just got so into it. I was like, oh my god. I didn't know what I loved it. I mean, I loved cleaning the stuff. I loved watching these guys power lift 800. And I started lifting and I just got so into it. And I was like, oh my God, you know, I didn't know what I was doing. I was doing,

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they knew you were watching observing probably yeah but you wouldn't go hey how do you do that can i do it with you i was the type that would secretly practice and then come back and act like i you know oh here watch me do this you know so i feel like yeah it's one of those sneaky like oh you say i can't you know you know so i want to be confident first before i'd go in front of these mentors or would not, these guys. But it was, so I worked there and it was one of the most best, I mean, I mean, I knew all these. So I always had older people. Like in high school, I was never into high school.

Like I didn't, I don't think I'd want, you know, all my friends were older. I went through high school. I did well, but I just, I checked out, you know, other than my teammates in volleyball. Usually when people have older friends out of high school, there's drugs involved. No, that's the thing. I don't know how I got, you know, in high school, the big thing was trying to get me to drink. Never drank. Never take a sip of alcohol ever.

Still haven't. Maybe one sip of wine, maybe once. Never smoked pot and never done drugs, ever. But the big thing was they all tried to get me to smoke. Everyone tried to get me to do coke. The biggest disappointment I ever had was I played in a volleyball tournament with another guy that was, I'm not going to name names, but he was one of the best. And we played in this tournament, and then he goes,

Oh, let's go to this party. You know, everyone was there. See all my idols snorting coke, drinking. And I'm like, that bummed me out. I was, I just laughed there. I mean, I remember the next morning I was like depressed and I couldn't practically play in the tournament. I was like, God, all these guys do this? You know what?

I mean, why are they doing this? You know, what's what's the upside of this you know so how did you reconcile that i did i didn't i just kind of blocked it out you know like i do everything i just like you know but i never even i don't know to this day i don't know where that i came you know because i have such an addictive personality or why you know i see my mentor my idols doing it why didn't do it? I don't understand either. I don't, I still to this day, you know, because everyone else did. Well, I would imagine in many ways the pain of growing up in the family, knowing there's addiction.

Maybe it was subconsciously my dad's problems with alcohol. You were not going down that path. Oh, no, because I used to, you know, wake up at 10 and see him laying on a beanbag, you know, in his shorts watching Benny Hill drinking at like 9 in the morning. He wasn't a mean drunk, but it was just like, God, what are you doing, you know? How old are you? I was 12, you know, and he drove me, you know, drunk.

Now I know, you know, a million times, you know. And, you know, he would get, it was just, I remember one time I was playing in a tournament with a big, it was a big tournament i get on my motorcycle and i had a little motorcycle moped it's like he was very inconsistent all of a sudden he goes what are you going you're doing yard work today i'm like what do you mean i have a tournament no you're doing yard work today and it's just like a control thing where he just wanted didn't want to see me and he'd make me get off my

motorcycle and not go to the tournament and do that. And I'd just be like, ooh. And then I would just never – I would do – I mean I would just – then I'd just go train harder and then I would just ignore him. He wasn't – I mean he didn't do that all the time. It was very inconsistent. Like all of a sudden we'd be sitting at the table. You guys are eating your peas and sit there until we gagged down peas. It's just not consistent

parenting. So it was very inconsistent. You know, something happens when we put words and tell stories and share insights. What we're doing right now is that what could be happening for you right now is you're starting to make some synapses. You're starting to make some connections. Are you making any connections right now? Yeah. Just talking. That's why I was excited for this podcast. I'm like, I haven't really gone through my whole and really thought about why I do what I do. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, that's why I told Sounder,

I'm like, this is going to be great because I'm not nervous. I'm just like, I want to know what I'm doing. This is like a free session with Mike. So I'm like, what can go wrong here? Who knows? Yeah. so what are some of those connections you're making just there's a lot of you know a lot of pain and a lot of stuff that i blocked out that's probably still in there that's why i'm still doing what i'm doing you

know like where is the pain in your body it's in my everywhere it's just it's just in turn it's just everywhere it's like in my cells it's like something that is almost like a trauma like a post-traumatic stress is there one place where those cells join is it like some people say it's in stomach or chest or throat or back or whatever no no not really not really it's more spread out spread out yeah that's yeah it's it's just i i think that there's all these things I do are just coping mechanisms to maybe to get, you know, I need to go through some like major therapy to get out. Okay. What, you know, but sometimes I go, fuck, I don't want to be normal. I like the way I am, you know, I like this. I don't want to be normal. You know, I got to tell you a story. There was a,

I'll never forget this. And this shaped much of my philosophy about working with world-class athletes is that it was a, one of the top, we'll just say 10 right now, top 10 gymnasts, okay. Young, everything you would imagine, mom comes in and a kid has OCD, right? And I don't know that at the time, no one knows that to come in and, Hey, my daughter's like, you know, she's really kind of struggling in some ways. We'd really like to help her and just, just have a relax a little bit. Great. So ask questions, questions, questions, and I light bulb goes off. I go, Oh, I see it. Okay. Cause I did all the differential diagnosis in my head. Oh, there it is. So I asked, I asked the daughter to go, um, draw something out in the, in the, in the waiting room. And so I look at a mom and I

said, a mom, I say, mom i say okay i think i know what's going on here it i think she's clearly got some ocd and i need some i need some more time to fully vet that and i said here's your here's the landscape is that if we take away the ocd she will likely find more peace you know where i I'm going with this? Yeah. Yeah. And as, and so, and again, taking away isn't really the right language, but I can't remember exactly what I said, but if we work with the OCD, she'll likely find some more peace, but she might not be as good at her sport because that is, she's actually using it in a pretty healthy way to be better. Yeah. And,

but she's very agitated, you know, so there's some costs to it here now. And so mom looked at me, she said, okay, I understand. She said, thank you.

Never saw him again. Oh, wow. So it's, I think it's really important to honor, like, do you really want to change? I'm not saying that to you but like because if you start

tinkering around with people they say they want to be better but you take away the thing that makes them great like they're okay the way i think about it though is kind of like you know when you they're like a cocktail napkin or something that like or origami if you you may open one fold you oh look there's another fold so you deal with the first issue and you're not quite sure but then oh my god look and it's better and it's better oh look it's a look there's there's layers and depth and it's a and so there's much more texture and the depth of the human experience than just performance yeah and that's really what that that process yeah i've always been kind of a lone wolf too. Like people have really tried to get me, you know, three or four and it's been my, you know, much more, probably more of my fault where these businesses come and go, Oh, we can market you. We know what to do. We get into it.

And I'm like, Oh, I don't know. You know, it's like, I don't like to do this video shit and I don't like to, you know, I don't like being on camera. I don't. And then, and then I flounder and it ends every time. And it's my fault. I just go, uh, and I just, I put it in my wife's like, why are you doing this?

Like, you know, what's going to happen. You're a grinder. You want, you want control. You want to do it yourself. You don't want anyone else to,

did you self publish your book? No, no, I know. I wrote a first book with Eric Goodman, a foundation book. And then from there, that was really easy to get a second book. Yeah. Yeah. Cause your, your first book with Eric Goodman, a foundation book, and then from there, that was really easy to get a –

A second book? Yeah. Yeah, because your first book did really well. Yeah. And there, again, it comes down to those books, publishers. It's doing okay, but they're really on me because I won't pimp out my clients to do the stuff. And I just – I'm like I need an authentic way to do it i'm not doing it you know i'm not i'm not gonna go do a video with lance or lakey or john carlo and go oh here's my

book you know order it on there i just can't do it i just it goes against everything i i believe in they would i know it does they would be happy to do that i know and they also love you because you don't ask it's like both i know like they'd be stoked to say – can you imagine like – Like Harry Styles who has 40 million followers. All it would take is one little tweet from him and the thing would probably sell – make me $100,000. Or more. Yeah. But it's – I don't know.

There's just like this weird like – I don't know. That's a psychosis with me with that stuff like asking people to do stuff and i'm just now learning to take like you know people saying you're good you know yeah i'm like when i change the subject like what do you mean yeah that's like back to ed he was like yeah it is beautiful yeah and you you minimize you're like ah you know no yeah like yeah exactly oh yeah i did you know someone go i can like, you know. No, yeah. Yeah, exactly. I'll go, oh, yeah. Someone will go, I can't believe, you know, you're the reason Lakey did that. You know, you helped her through all this stuff.

And I'll go, you know, I'll just, I don't know. For some reason, I don't, you know. And part of that hook I'm bringing for your readers, that Go-Giver book, that's part of it. It's like learn to take, you know, take compliments. If you don't, then then people it's not good you know it's a book that i have that book i can't no one's ever i love that book just resonated with me go give her yeah it really did yeah there's the story that it was it's a simple little story about giving more than you get you know caring about others and but also you know being able to take you know it says a lot of stuff i don't do you know caring about others and but also you know being able to take

you know it says a lot of stuff i don't do you know like like that taking compliments and you know being able to let other people do stuff for you and and that kind of stuff or you're a little bit like a cat in that way yeah cat comes around when they want to come around but you're the you're the loyal cat that's always around but they don't really let some do but you pet a dog and they like love it yeah they'll paw you for more right but cats are just kind of yeah no i know that's not i mean like you know i had this year i mean you know justin won the world series john carlo won the mvp you know ken roxman won the outdoor i mean all my guys did really good but i i just i don't i'm like i know i'm part of the process but i don't i just go okay, I know I'm part of the process,

but I don't, I just go, okay, okay, let's go now. Now what are we going to do? We got to do more, you know? I don't, I don't like, I just, I don't know. I just, the narcissistic stuff people do on Instagram and stuff. I just, it drives me absolutely crazy. I struggle with it too. You know, meaning like I've, I think maybe I have a wider tolerance for you because I see social media or media as a way to amplify what's good. And that's why – so I know what you do and what you can do. And that was one of the reasons to fire up this medium, this podcast thing is to amplify and celebrate. There's extraordinary people in the world. And so I don't know. There's a healthy balance and a really unhealthy balance.

You know, like look at me and how smart and wonderful my life is. That's bad. No. But that's not you. No. That's not you. No. And I, you know, I like seeing the big CEO guys that I, you know, like Ed, that I learn a lot from those guys.

You know, I train probably five billionaires, you know. And I learn, I just watch them. And, you know, for one, I don't want their life. I know that. Because what they go through and, you know, the stress and the traveling and the money and the, you know, people, hangar honors. And I just see, but I see how smart they are too. And I, you know, I just take stuff from them that I just, you know, some of these guys, I remember some of the smartest minds in the world, you know. And I'm just like, that's why if I had to pick between

athletes and CEOs, I'd probably pick the CEOs. To train or to be? To train. I mean, it's athletes looking for tiny little improvements, tiny. Do you have the best job in the world? I think I do. Yeah. But, you know, I was weeks away from going to physical therapy school.

I got in and my client, Barry Capello, still one of my mentors and my father figure type free fill I looked for, just talked to me right before I was going to go. He goes, don't go. I know where your passion is. Don't just – because I didn't think I could make money back then. I was like, a trainer? You're a trainer?

Even my wife was like, you're not going to go to physical therapy school. I'm like nope and that was a big you know it was a it was a almost a game breaker for us you know wow it was like you know same with racing you know i was like no you're she was smart because you're stopping you're not racing again okay stop let's do let's do that story that's incredible your first race yeah so after volleyball i remember my sister was a world-class runner uh jamie and uh she was in this race and she was going to train i could beat you in a 10k you know we go down to the beach and we set this 10k she beats me by like four minutes and i'm like from that day i i looked went on went home went online and go i'm doing that

ironman next year i picked the hardest race i, and go, I'm doing that Ironman next year. I picked the hardest race I could. I'm doing that New Zealand Ironman. So from then on, read Dave Scott, read Scott Tinley, read just whatever they did. Boom. Started doing. Next day, got a swim coach, just bought a bike, Helen's bikes. I was at UCLA at the time, and I could train because I had time during the day. So I started training you know got every injury in the book at the beginning because you know you can't just go from oh of course but i that's where i again my pedigree i learned about every

injury you know and i went to school you know you know and i was learning every injury what i was doing wrong i didn't know i was just look at scott tinley's program oh i can ride 400 miles a week you know i can ride to San Diego and take the train home. I can do – Your mental discipline is stronger than the physical. So I started doing all this stuff. And then I remember going to the race. It was the most – when you asked me that question and the question like what's the most exciting adventure, that Ironman was by far.

Just because I had no idea what was going to happen. I mean never done that distance. Never even done more than – I ran a marathon once to prepare. But it was like I like i just said no i didn't mean i didn't i didn't know it's finished i didn't know how to eat i didn't know how to do anything so i get to the race and i'm like so i i you know i was a crappy swimmer because i just started swimming i was you know but i actually did okay i got out of the water got on my bike and i get off get out of my out of the off the bike and i look at my watch six hours i mean it took me six hours to do that bike you know and so now i'm halfway through the run and i'm like you're in 10th place and i'm like i forgot to add the swim time on my bike so i actually went five hours

on the bike instead of six god so here i am i mean my first iron man ever i get 10th place set the i mean the iron man world was like who's this kid you know never not my first iron first triathlon ever never even ever and you went iron not no i didn't do a little one just did right into the right i just boom i'm doing this one and then you know that's why i'm like oh i you know i got a little talent here you know i knew you know i just and i'm like that's where i start there i'm like that's the start of my triathlon career and my running career. I'm like, I could be good at this. And it was perfect for my personality because I could just grind harder than anybody.

And of course I over-trained three quarters of the time. Never had a coach. I just always, but again, I learned about aerobic training. I learned about weight training in this weight room, working there, worked in the, you know, learned everything, read everything about aerobic training. So I had this perfect pedigree of training, you know, it was just a natural, like, you know, from the time I was 10, it was like just a natural where most people go, how do you know all this stuff? I'm like, I lived it. You know, that's where people, I think where people really respect

me in the gym because they know what I've done. And like, someone will go, I can't do 10. I'm like, I can do, I can do that. Watch. I'm 53 years old, two years old. I can do that. Watch, you know, and I'll do it, you know? And so they respect me and I can beat them on all the, you know, a lot of the machines. And I'm like, you know, so they, you know, I'm legit, you know, they, they know when I tell them to do, I do more. So I think that was, that's a big reason, you know, John Carr would say, you know, he's gone and watched me do this. He's like, you're possessed, you know, what's wrong with you? do this. He's like, you're possessed. What's wrong with you?

It's like these baseball players and football players don't get endurance stuff. They'll see me doing stuff like, you are crazy. Running more than a mile for them is like an ordeal. They'll see me in the skier. I remember Olaf, this guy Olaf Hermes, Hermes the company. First time I trained, we just moved from Europe, from France to Santa Barbara. And we're doing a little workout on the elliptical. He's a really good guy, intense guy.

And he's on there. He's like, you're sick. He looks at me. Like, what do you mean? He goes, look at your eyes. We're just doing a friendly little race. What are you doing? He's like, what are you doing?

Look at your face. I'm like, and then we became really good friends. You're sick. And he goes, you know, but then two years later, he goes, you're the first person I'd go to war with. He goes, you would be right there. Because we became really good friends. And he knew I was more, you know, even though he was this very wealthy, you know, one of the most famous guys in the world, I just, we became like, he craved kind of my friends, that real friends, you know, he would tell me that, you know, I don't think he'd care. I said this, you know, he just, he didn't, he just loved the normalcy

that I lived, you know, the, the, it was real. Well, that, that is actually something that happens for people that become stratospherically known is that they have to figure out, they have to get good at the filter. Do you want to be my friend because of who I am? Or do you want to be my friend because who knows me? And they have to, they have to figure that thing out and it can get tricky, big time, tricky for folks. Yeah. Yeah. I have to say I've been really good with that with people. I don't, I think i'm just desensitized to famous people now where i get a guy and you know like one of my favorite clients of all time is buckethead the guitarist you know he's played for guns and he's one of the most he's the most shy

unassuming person ever we've become like best friends you know and he's like one i think i'm the only person he trusts i mean like we talk and we, you know, for hours, you know, and he's just such a, you watch him play and it's mind boggling. Like to watch him play guitar. Where do you get in your own way? Huh? Where do you get in your own way? Take on too much. And what I can't handle. What confuses you? Not enough time. I'm not have time to do what I need to do. That's confusing. Well, it's just,

there's only 24 hours. confusing, confusing is, that's confusing. How to become more balanced for sure. For me, that's been my biggest, like how to, you know,

now that we talk about it, it's like, do I want him? The content piece. Yeah. It's just, you know, for my kids and my wife,

you know, my, my older son is so, so like evolved. Like it scares me. He's so the opposite of me. Like everything. I mean, some things are good, but he's, I mean, just a very good person from the time he was, you know, five years old. I mean, I remember five years old.

I told you this. We were in a toy store and this kid can't, can't buy a gift, right? He doesn't have money. His mom goes, my son's five years old, gives him his $5 because now you can buy it. And I'm like, what five-year-old does that? And he's still like that today where things affect him very deeply. And like, he'll be the type of, he'll go, dad, don't talk to me. You're not here.

What does that mean? It means I'm not – I'm listening to him, but I'm not listening. All the time. He'll go, Dad, you're not – sometimes I go to breakfast. He knows. And I'm thinking about something. He goes, Dad, you're not here. Let's just go.

We're out of here. And when he gets – one time he was mad and he goes, Dad, what do you want in your tombstone that you trained a lot, that you worked a lot? And I'm like – and he keeps me on my toes and makes me want to be better. He really does because he's, you know, he knows right what he wants. I mean, he's like, it's almost like someone brought him down to make me different. I'm kidding. I mean, it sounds psycho, but he's like this being. I mean, anyone that meets him, if you met him, you would just go, where did this kid?

I mean, he's like going to be president of PETA or something. He's like one of these kids. Yeah, cool. But then my younger son is a challenge. He's like me. And I can see him in me. Like, dude, you can't play basketball, baseball, and do your homework, and do this. He does 20 things at a time and then goes

baseball then goes to basketball then tries to do his homework at 11 30 at night and he does it and he gets it done but i'm like dude you're watching and that's where i'm like he's watching me you know he knows he sees me you know and you know my wife's kind of like me too she works you know she's a grinder too so our kids have seen this gnarly work ethic. My older son is, I don't want to say revolted against it, but always been balanced, fights to be balanced. Like dad, no, I only want to work out one hour a day. I want to, you know, I'm doing my homework. I work, he's worked since he's been 13, wants to make his own money. So it's just like this balanced, perfect person where I look at him and I just, I just want to be better for him because I'm like, wow, you know know he's just such a good person what are the principles that guide your life

be a good person be you know i see the goodness in people and I want to help people. And I don't know, I've always had this weird, like I tell my athletes, like, you know, it's not like if you have an injury, it's, I can give you, it's 90% you. If you don't want to get better and you don't do the work that, that I'm, when I'm not there, I can get you all the best doctors, but if you don't really want to get better, you're not going to get better. I always felt like i've had i've seen it a million times like with my injuries and my stuff it's like i will myself to be better i mean i think i literally about like with your knee yeah my knee how many surgeries i had like seven surgeries and they told me i'd never run again that was a you know never run never ride a bike my i would never bend my knee and that was a huge

i mean that was a big life like okay you know but I never believed it let's talk about cancer yeah talk about that that scares me just you know the cancer that goes you know all of a sudden I get cancer then what

because I saw what it did to him and how I went through the whole process like from the start to finish watching what it did to him and how I went through the whole process like from the start to finish watching what it does and how your mind how you, when you find the real that's what I, when Ed died I go I want that like to take life a little

like I wanted to enjoy the little things more like he wanted to, like he would have killed just to see his young, his son one more time, like just those little like you do it and then like a month goes by and then you kind of, you know, which bums me out. What'd you learn about how, were you with Lance Armstrong when he went through cancer? Right after.

Right after. Do you get a lot of questions about his character? Yes. A lot. What's that like for you? I tend to judge people on how he treated me. And I mean, when I was with him, he did nothing, but never had a fight with him, never. So I can only go from my, you know, we were good friends. He was good to my family, helped me, you know, go to L.A., got me clients down there. I never saw him do any of the stuff people you know i you know the drugs and the

you know mean you know what he did to people i just i mean maybe i was on a different side with him you know but i mean we just trained together you know he loved me because i could you know keep up with him and not you know if he wanted to kill me he could but you know on the bike but i you know but we just were like kindred spirits know, we had the same kind of demons and we just kind of fed off each other the whole time, but he was nothing, nothing. But you know, the stuff I hear, I'm like, that's fucked up, you know, but, but to me, you know, I can only say to me, he was incredible. How did you, how did you get through seven surgeries? Cause this was, this was not like you were being an idiot. You over-trained and you, you earned the seven surgeries? Because this was not like you were being an idiot, you over-trained, and you earned the seven surgeries.

This was hospital stuff. No, I was in the hospital like three or four times. And the last time it was for a couple weeks, three weeks. And this was MRSA? No, it was some other staff, but they didn't know what it was. It was some flesh-eating stuff. Yeah, they couldn't kill it. And so, you know, they said i could lose my leg you know i didn't know when i went into surgery whether i was going to wake up with my leg or not

and so after you know when i got out of the hospital i have wait wait wait go back to that you're going into surgery yeah they make you sign yeah that that's you know if something happened you know they could take my leg i mean they could they if they have Yeah. That, you know, if, if something happened, you know, they could take my leg. I mean, they could, they, if they have the amputator, you know,

if there is going to go up and kill me, they had to do something, you know, but I never, I just, I don't know if it was a denial. I just never, I'm like,

oh, you know, but of course, right when I wake up, like my legs and see if it's there, but it just tested me. Like, I mean,

I just never, I just same thing. I just, okay. I just bolt. I'm like, they said, you know, when I got the thing off the road, your tendon is, you know, is short. You'll never, probably never ride a bike or run.

So just, you know, you can do whatever, you know, just deal pretty much, you know. And I just went, you know, F you, you know. And I just bent it and, you know, was relentless with it. And then, you know, maybe eight months later, I go to the doctor, I go, look, boom. And I just bent it and was relentless with it. And then maybe eight months later, I go to the doctor. I go, look, boom, heel to the knee, butt to the thing. And that's what I'm saying with my athletes. I tell them this stuff.

I'm like, look, if you want to get better, I mean, if you have a herniated disc that's causing leg drop you know it's you get surgery but i just felt like i just felt i always feel like i have control over you know except if i can't you know something like that where yeah you know then i would have to you know face my demons i think yeah okay so folks that don't have you're in the quarter of a tenth of percent, like some crazy rare breed of people that are as disciplined and maniacal in the approach to life. Not that dissimilar to many people that are elite at what they do. So for the rest of the world that says, no way do I want to live that way, but I'd like to know how to be a little bit fitter. I'd like to know how to be stronger. I'd like to be in better shape and health. Is that why you wrote your book? Yes, exactly. It drove me crazy. I see, you know, a lot of my clientele are these CEO type people, 45 to 65, 70

and I just, the whole CrossFit, not that I'm against CrossFit if you're a certain, you know, health and you move well, but I just saw just no one knew how to get, you know, for the normal person how to get back in shape right, correctly, and gave them a full roadmap of eating, exercise, you know, mobility, everything. Just gave them a roadmap that was sustainable. It's not hard.

It doesn't take a lot of time. But if you do it, you're going to be better and you're going to be able to do whatever you want. And the title of the book is Rebound. Yeah. And that came from where? Rebound Your Life. Rebound Your Health. That's why I gave two books.

It's like body and soul. One is to get your body in shape and you know but you know i'm learning quickly that the other part is is as important or more yeah it's funny you recognize it for your your clients but not for you no but but this is a step-by-step clear tutorial of how to basically move from crawling to running right you can be in any any kind of shape i i i designed it so when you're done if you wanted to do a marathon do it you could you'd have the the foundation to do it if you wanted to do surf you want to go surf again if you wanted to just get

people to to have the freedom to do something physical that they haven't been able to do you know and if you did it wrong you're just going to get frustrated and just quit. If we make something really concrete and applied, what would be three things that you would suggest anybody, anybody on the spectrum of movement that if they did that better, they'd be in a better place? Just learn to move correctly. You know, go to start with the basics. Start with learning how to squat again, learning how to hinge.

Okay. Concretely, like somebody who's listening, what would be, how would you instruct them without seeing their body? How to teach them how to move better? Yeah. Like right now. Yeah. Read the book. No, you know, learn how to tension your body so you're safe. Learn how the body moves correctly. Learn how to hinge your hips through your hips, not through your back. There's a lot of different, you know, there's a lot of wrong ways and right ways.

But you've got to learn to move first or else everything else is just like painting, you know, the roof without building a foundation for it. It'll just crack. Yeah. Completely. I mean, 100%. And people, even the kids, you know, all the parents, when they first see me train, I love training high school kids. I love mentoring high school kids. It's one of my favorite things.

I almost do that for free because I just love it. These kids, I've had kids still that I've trained. They're big businessmen now that I trained when they were in ninth grade all the way through high school. And they're like, they call me when they're in jail in high school before their parents. But anyway, so the kids, you know, the kids, you know, I start training them. And they're just like, what are you doing?

You're not even like, I'm teaching these kids. I'm giving them a lifelong. I mean, they have to learn to move. But they need to get strong before they can do. They expect me to take them through ladders and jump them off boxes and, you know, do all this gnarly stuff they watch on Internet. You know, I'm like, they can't, they're not there yet. What do you do for tight hips? Kyphosis, you know, the rounding of the back.

And then, and so kids and all of us nowadays are sitting so much and then looking down at our technology. That's what the foundation training book was about. Yeah. Learning how to get better posture, you know, and so when you're doing these exercises, you're really in tune with, okay, your chin's back, your shoulders are down, your lats are locked. You know, that's what the kids, I learned it.

And then they go to lift a weight and they're just, boom, learn how to do it perfectly. So it's learning the basic movements first. And then when you transfer it to the weights, they know how to do everything, you know. Because they don't have attention. You know, the first thing is learning, teaching people how to, people don't realize how important tension in your body is.

Being safe, they can't just go like a noodle down into a squat. If you have 100 pounds on your back, that's not going to go. This is why you'll hear people that get hurt in seemingly not difficult movements. Oh, for sure. Like, let's say, little tiny things in yoga or leaning over to pick up a pencil or something you know, something even a little bit heavier. And it's like, well, and it's not just them. I mean, I get, you know, these NFL guys I have now, they were, I had to teach them how to move. They didn't, I mean, they know how to move, but they didn't know how to do it right. And we went back to kindergarten with all these guys

and they're like, this is the hardest thing I've ever, this is harder than the workout. I'm like, yeah, because you're, you're learning to be safe and you're learning how to land in your hips and you're learning how to, you know, do how to be safe and you're learning how to land in your hips. You're learning how to do a push-up ride. You're not just going through the motions. The warm-up, they will show all the foundation stuff and they go, this is harder than the workout. How come you don't have this on CD? Or not CD. We do.

The foundation stuff is on CD. No, your new book. We're going to. Is it going to be online? Yeah. So a video tutorial? Yeah. Yeah. new book are you going to put is it going to be online yeah yeah so a video tutorial yeah yeah

yeah yeah it needs because it's very you know it's just the thing is i fight against it's not fancy it's not fun i mean it's fun but i mean it's not you know it's it's just what works i always tell the kids you want results or do you want you want fun you know it's like if you want results do this book i mean it's it's it's hard it's you know you have to do you got to do it a lot you got you got to rep it you can't just go from one thing to the next and you'll never get good at anything you got to do things more than you know americans are just whack they get bored and they want to do something else and they never get good at anything you know it's true in the gym i see it all the time they they want they're bored i want to go to zumba no

i want to do CrossFit. No, I want to, you know, but then they don't. And people go too hard too often. You know, like they go to spin classes eight, six days a week. And I'm like, you're going to anaerobic six days a week. What are you doing? What do you think of some of the technology-based fitness boxes like Orange Theory or? They're great.

But if you go every day and, you know, it depends. Some of them have recovery classes where, you know, you keep, you know, I tell anyone over 50, don't go anaerobic more than once or twice a week. You don't need to. Either go really hard or really easy. Either go down and build some base and go low. Don't go on that junky pace. You know, your body likes that wave.

You know, I'm not someone that. And you're saying low intensity, high intensity. Yeah, but I'm not a big, you know, your body likes that wave you know like to you know i don't i'm not someone and you're saying low intensity high intensity yeah some you know but i'm not a big you know there's a lot of you know guys you know my ceo guys that you know i don't have them go like that lactic you know real high you know high intensities but i'll either go easy or we'll do really short sprints five seconds seven seconds where they don't get a bunch of you know free radical build up from lactic. It just ages you. And all the Russian research has showed all this.

Once in a while, we'll test the metal. We'll go, OK, Friday we're going to go. We're going to test. Of course, I'll push them. But on the whole, it's more of a sustainable. Let's keep you healthy. Let's get you the most healthy you can get. that's not try to kill you and that wasn't me at the beginning that was the opposite of me at the beginning if people you know when i first

started with lance and other people if they don't walk out of the gym like they were going to throw up i i was pissed at myself but it's that that's what's evolved you know yeah so or go back to like an orange theory which is uh you know pretty high output yeah for 55 once or twice a week right that's what i was thinking too go five days a week you're gonna be in trouble yeah and then how do you fit yoga into your because you love yoga you've got a lot of i've gotten really into breathing yeah just breathing like the there's a postural restoration institute where it's it's a that's there's a bunch of there's maybe three or four things in my career that really like oh

this is like ah this works you like pri i love pri i like the breathing of it you know me too and i've seen big results from it for me i mean i do it a lot i mean i do with all the athletes just to get them to breathe it's a good way to get people you know mindful and actually working on their breath which i is one of those aha things like why didn't i do this a long time ago you know because everyone all the ceo guys live in this state of inhalation you know and they never you know they're always like their shoulders up to their ears and just getting into the beginning changes the workout do you do do alternate nostril breathing as well i just do i do that in through the nose you know the pri I do the in through the nose, you know, the PRI style.

Deep breath through the nose, let all the air out, almost like you're blowing up a balloon. And just do certain exercises, you know, cat-camel, down-dog. I put stretches into it. You know, like when we do stretches, I put at the end, we'll do pigeon, or we do the breathing. And it just gets them mindful

and starting to learn how to... And I recommend they all do like mind space. At least five you know it's like 10 minutes a night like just do this breathe with me and do this and you're on your way a little bit you know very cool yeah you know yeah you're on your way a little bit so you know it's it's those little things you know you pick up that you know the breathing thing has been huge for me in the last couple you know two years what does the industry look like, your industry of performance training? What does it look like in five years? I think there's going to be a lot more, not gimmicks,

but a lot of brain training and recovery stuff that's like genetics, crazy drugs where they can change your genetics and all kinds of you know no training no modalities that can cure hamstring pulls and you know a couple weeks and i think there's gonna be all that kind of stuff but there's no there's no substitute for just you know you can't hard work you know and then basics i'm a very vanilla trainer you know it's like get good at these basics and you know i'm very good at you know getting people in the room you know knowing what they need like what what is your nutrition are you a vegetarian no no i i've tried it all i've tried i mean i'll never give

anything to anyone until i try i've discovered with diet everyone's different you can't what works for lance what works for johncarlo is not going to work. You got to try it out yourself. I give them basic guidelines. You cut out processed foods, you know, cut out, you know,

sugar, most sugars, your half, your three quarters, almost 90% there. The rest, you know, is,

you know, portion control, of course. If you, you know, if you need to lose weight, you know, you cut,

you know, and if you don't, you know, you don't, you know, but I'm not a big supplement, huge weight, you cut. And if you don't, you don't. But I'm not a big supplement, huge supplement, unless they get tested. Most people need vitamin D. I take magnesium. That seems to have helped. I don't take a lot of –

I've seen CoQ10. CoQ10. I take CoQ10. Omega. Yeah, but I don't take a – it's not like I'm like a thousand pills a day like some people are yeah right yeah but the nutrition stuff it's all and and that's for general people that's like 80 of the equation for an athlete it's not you know but for you know a ceo i mean if i can't get them to eat good they're just going to be you know it's like lethargic lethargic their energy is not going to be good they're going to look inflamed they're just going to be, you know, it's like lethargic, lethargic energy is not going to be good. They're going to look inflamed.

They're, you know, their energy is going to be bad. The works, I just go, look, you guys can, your work productivity will go up a million times. If you guys, you know, I go, you, I tell them, you can control everything in your life, but what you put in your mouth, you know, literally I say that to them all the time. I'm like, you know, and I'm probably the only one that tells him what to do ever, you know. And it's like, you know, and I have a really good rapport with my guy, you know. And some just get in some, you know, I have to take different.

Some will just go all in, boom, you know, type A, boom, I'll just cut that out. I'm done. Others, you know, okay, let's just cut out that one sweet thing a week and then it's slowly you know you know manipulate them and then before you know it it's wild how everyone's different yeah it for sure and you gotta you the trainer has to know that you can't just cut everything out so you gotta you know as soon as i go in and ask the questions and look at them i pretty much know how i'm gonna how i'm gonna go after them if they exercise and stare, you know, the first time I see a guy that's kind of nervous and you know, he's a billionaire.

I'm like, I'll just make it the workout so easy. Like, like he finishes like, that's it. Like, yeah, that's it. You know, and then slowly, you know, once you need, you got to get him to trust you first, you know? And like, you know, even with the football players, I mean, I think they said two words to me the first two weeks. They didn't trust me.

Now I can't get them to shut up. know, we talk and, you know, we're friends, you know, and they let me talk to him about diet. And before it was very, it's like, it was like this period where they go, you know, who are you, you know, this little white Yoda guy, you know? And, and so it's, it's just, you know, I'm very good at, you know, I'm pretty good with, I know these athletes now what, you know, I just love them. You know, everyone's so different that I just, you know, they're young kids, you know? Yeah. And all of a sudden, you know, all of a sudden I became old, you know, like all of a sudden it was like, it seemed like I woke up and like everyone sees me as this like old guy, you know?

At the gym, I think I'm 20 years older than all the other trainers, you know? And that's another thing that's, it's so fun is I surround myself with hungry trainers that challenge me otherwise i you're talking about your gym oh i'm san amaro i i hire these guys and then the one the criteria has to be they got to challenge me who are one of your who's one of your mentors for your craft pavel for sure without a doubt the kettlebell he the first guy just went okay so you're you're part of your theory is big time hinge at the hip like that's a big part of your version yeah learning how to hinge right it's a that's right you know of everything you know every every sport you do yeah you know getting in the ready position the fall the the bike the one time up at your gym and you're like okay uh

what was the russian get up yeah turkish get. And so, I don't know. Who was up there? Blakey. Yeah. And it was like, I don't know, looked like she had 300 pounds over her head. You know, it's like, it's just, wow, wow, wow. Yeah. You know, my hips are shaking. No, it's, you know, the Pablo, he was just the first one that was, you know, just.

Yeah, he's been influential for many. Keep it simple. Yeah. You know, I've become pretty good friends with him because he got really into, uh, endurance stuff. And we just, he just, when we talked, it's like, dude, like four hours just went by, you know, we were just sitting in a coffee shop. We do this like once a month. It's like, you know, wow. You know, cause we just like, we just get engrossed in this, you know,

these conversations about what works and what doesn't. And he's just so on it with the science, you know, where, you know, like he'll go, Oh, the mitochondria. And I'm like, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, most of the time I'll pretend, but I mean, I know a lot, but he knows he goes in a different stratosphere. I love it. Okay. Where does pressure come from? Within. You're pretty clear about that. And is there a voice?

A little voice. Is it? Yeah. and what's it say either do it or don't like you know like last night perfect example we got home a little late my son's team came in late and i trained my son's team it was seven o'clock and i just want to go home i have this lake he's going to be on tv i gotta and that little voice went dude you haven't worked out today get up and get in there and do it. I knew it was, I knew it was going to win. So I just got my stuff on,

worked out for an hour and then. Are you self critical or self positive? Positive. Optimistic or pessimistic? Optimistic. Yeah. No, I always think everyone can do whatever.

Yeah, you really are. Yeah. And I think, you know, with the right, you know, I just want people to be guided, right? Because I made a lot of mistakes in training. Like, I was always self-coached.

I never. What hurt you the most? When I disappoint my wife and kids. When I do something stupid or I don't follow through on something or i forget you know something you know there's a million of those stories where i'll be selling my own thing that my wife will do something that was really nice and i won't even recognize it it doesn't play well no we've had a few of those yeah and it's just it's just you know it's just me being you know me me being you know like just not that i i guess it's self-absor, but I just I'm just thinking about something.

And then she'll like go like I want a new bed sheeting one night. She wouldn't change them all and went to the store and I was stretching, watching her do it. I go in to go to bed and I get into bed and I don't say anything. And she goes, you little, you know, she just, you know, she was waiting. No, she just goes, you didn't even notice i did that and i'm like and i felt like shit for like a week you know and it's just one of those things i know she knows me i mean we've been married 30 25 years you know she knows she knows she knows she she always says i know what i get myself into you know i'm not you know but you know she's you know my best she's

my biggest cheerleader though i mean she always standing up for me, always by my side, always, you know. One takeaway for people. What is it? From me? From you. Four people. Yes. You can do anything you want to do if you put your mind to it

and i don't i mean that true like i've seen that happen more than once more than once awesome your definition of mastery being the best at your craft being confident being able to teach it, and then having the ability, you know, like I said, to be able to shut down a little bit. And that's the part I haven't mastered yet. So I'm almost there as far as my craft, but I think I have a little more to go. I mean, I don't want to be, you know, like I said, I don't want to be like not working or anything, but a little more, you know, balance. There's a word, just a little more where I can, you know, there's the only time I ever let go ever is when, you know, my first client Barry takes me on mountain bike trips once a year.

First two days, I'm a mess. Don't have my phone worried about everyone. By the second day, I'm like a different person. Forget about everything. I'm like in my tent. I'm talking to people. There's just, I just like, it'm like a different person forget about everything i'm like in my tent i'm talking to people there's there's there's just i just like it's like a different so i know i'm capable of doing that but you know when i re-enter into society it's a different it's a different you're a legend and the people that you train are so grateful to know you so um this has been great

thank you thank you and so where can people find you? Like your book, obviously. So reboundfitnessbook.com. Reboundfitnessbook.com. Okay. My Instagram is platinumfitnesssb. I had to think about it because I never, you know, I'm on it a little bit, you know. And then the gym website is platinumfitnesssummerland.com. Yeah, perfect. and then the gym website is platinumfitnesssummerlin.com yeah perfect so if if you have a

sense that peter understands what he's talking about which is if it didn't jump through this conversation i should be fired okay that um check out his book there's it's a tutorial it's simple it's easy to follow and it's like all the meat that you would want right it's a meaty book it's not overwhelming but it's the meat no i try to tell it through stories of my clients and people i've come across and so people get a a little uh you know you did that like the opposite of the uh tom brady book right like it's this exact opposite that's a beautiful looking book a couple wild claims in there and then but yours is like real meat in there like right this is what it's supposed to look like when you do the cat camel correctly yeah i thought of public just no bullshit if you want results and you want to be

better do this it's awesome i haven't met pavel i know his work and all those people on the podcast yeah seriously yeah well i know his work and he's a legend of people on the podcast. Yeah, seriously. Yeah. Well, I know his work and he's a legend. Yeah. So that'd be fun. Okay. So thank you everyone for paying attention. Thank you, Peter, for coming down and this is awesome. And you can find this conversation on findingmastery.net.

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