Finding Mastery with Dr. Michael Gervais - Reclaim Your Health: A Common-Sense Approach to Food and Wellness | Darin Olien

Episode Date: June 26, 2024

What would we do without all of our modern conveniences? Things like instant access to food, water, clothing, information, and entertainment. Science, chemistry, and technology have made our lives bigger, better, faster and - well, more convenient.The question is… at what cost?Returning to the podcast this week is Darin Olien, health entrepreneur, activist, podcaster, co-host of the number one Netflix docuseries Down to Earth with Zac Efron, and author of bestsellers like SuperLife and Fatal Conveniences.Darin says the chemicals and systems that process our food, our water, what we wear -- basically everything we consume -- is killing us and destroying the planet.That’s a big statement. And a pretty shocking one, at that. But it didn’t come out of nowhere – Darin’s been traveling the world, sounding this alarm for decades with real concern for our collective health and the planet’s future.And if he's intense about exposing the problems, he's even more passionate about finding the solutions.In our conversation today, we unravel how to turn that fear and concern into real action – on a personal level, and in the world. He provides easy alternatives to our modern “fatal conveniences” that can help us regain our health and maybe save the planet.It’s a discussion that couldn’t be more timely and urgent – and I’m confident you’ll leave it with some new learnings, a fresh perspective, and important insights into healthy living._________________Subscribe to our Youtube Channel for more powerful conversations at the intersection of high performance, leadership, and meaning: https://www.youtube.com/c/FindingMasteryGet exclusive discounts and support our amazing sponsors! Go to: https://findingmastery.com/sponsors/Subscribe to the Finding Mastery newsletter for weekly high performance insights: https://www.findingmastery.com/newsletter Download Dr. Mike's Morning Mindset Routine! https://www.findingmastery.com/morningmindsetFollow us on Instagram, LinkedIn, and X.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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because if you're not, you will be a victim of this ultra process craziness what you're not proving that your product is safe to sell to children and family and moms how is that possible how can you put that on a shelf tastes good price is cheap it's easy to grab. And it's killing you. Okay, welcome back or welcome to the Finding Mastery podcast. I am your host, Dr. Michael Gervais, by trade and training, a high-performance psychologist. I've got to tell you, I love this podcast. I love what we're doing.

And I want to say thank you for going along this adventure with us. I got a fun one here for you. What would we do without all of our modern conveniences? Instant access to food, water, clothing, information, entertainment, science, chemistry, technology. They've all made our lives bigger, better, maybe, definitely faster, and definitely more convenient. The question is, what's the cost? Returning to the podcast this week is Darren Olin, health entrepreneur, activist, podcaster. He's a co-host of the number one Netflix series, Down to Earth with Zac Efron, and author of bestsellers like Superlife and Fatal Conveniences. Darren says the chemicals and systems that process our food, our water, what we wear, basically everything that we consume is killing us and it's destroying the planet. This is a problem. It's a big statement now. However, it's not shocking. Darren's been traveling the world, sounding this alarm for decades with real concern for our collective health and the planet's future. And if he's intense about exposing the problems, he's even

more passionate about finding the solutions. In our conversation today, we unravel how to turn that fear and concern into real action on a personal level and for the world. He provides easy alternatives to our modern fatal conveniences that can help us regain our health and maybe save the planet. It's a discussion that couldn't be more timely, more urgent. So with that, let's dive right into this incredible conversation with Darren Olin. Darren. Hey, man. Yeah, this is great. I love how you show up in the world, and I'm so stoked to sit down and have this conversation with you. I could have a lot of conversations with you easily yeah cool man so um let's just start how are you like what's what's going on

how are you doing yeah I'm good um aside from a dog that's not doing so great acutely um uh you know we've had a lot of rain um which is great to see nature explode which is a great kind of my counterpoint to life is always checking in with nature and if nature can be resilient and powerful so can I as as we are that so and I am that so you, you know, I'm good. Like there's a lot of big projects that I'm working on. I think 2003 was maybe a lot of tending of the soil in a certain sense and planting some seeds and watering. We're starting to see some sprouts of a lot of creation right now and a couple of TV shows that, um, I'm working on in terms of docu-series in terms of continuing the mission. And the mission is, uh, being an on-ramp potentially for people doing great things in the world and sharing that information because i think both big and small

things of hope are really kind of important right now and it's also helpful for me in my own journey to just touch base with extraordinary people doing great things and then being able to tell the tell the world about it so i love that medium of docu-series and stuff like that i love to also the producing of it the digging underneath it that the the i was just on a call with my one of my producing partners and we're we're having countries reach out to us to do, to come there so that we can show, highlight the extraordinary things that certain countries are doing, both environmentally, sustainably, waste,

all of these things, you know, these inherent, you know, the world, the schizophrenic world i find myself in always is i cannot see a fatal convenience either someone doing something or a system in place that is inherently just toxic to the world i.e i'm finishing up a not fashion but a clothing documentary with my good friend jeff garner who's been a plant dyed fashion designer for 20 years and we were in a lab on camera testing some garments and the pfos and the fluorine gas coming off of these things were like 10 times the legal limit and the legal limit shouldn't even be legal. Is this, so is this dangerous for the workers or dangerous for the wearers?

Everything, right? So, so, so, so again, so like helping him out on this documentary, when I, something about when I get in front of a camera and I'm on purpose, it allows also the fun side of me to come out, the extroverted side of me. It gives me this license to have the time when I'm serious about subjects, but also to, to just kind of let it rip and be silly. So in the most concrete way, cause I, you're right. As you're talking, I'm like, oh, he's made a transition to film, to telling of stories, to highlighting the good, if you will pointing out the bad, but highlighting the good. And the way I know you is as a applied scientist, like digging into like what's actually happening here, what's actually like digging in from a nutritional health perspective. And, but you, you have made that

cross, haven't you? From, from that part of your life life that chapter in your life into telling stories yeah is that fair to say it's fair to say and i i like it's funny that you said that applied scientist because because even in school you know chemistry and biology never was that like something like physiology and kinesiology when i could kind of see mechanisms and see a corpse or, you know, and understand insertions. And that to me is how I have always thrived in learning. And so when I superfood hunted, I was like, I got to go there. Go there. I've got to see it.

I've got to see. And so then when inevitably kind of either products I made or people wanted to know more, cameras would show up and you start and i realized this part of me would come out and and getting to bring people into the world that they don't know about uh and also demystifying some things too like like you know to get something like a rhodiola from an incredible plant in the the mountains of china is a adaptogenic herb fairly adaptogenic doesn't have all the constituents of a true adaptogen but at at 17,000 feet, when you have to run there and see where it is, and then the journey of preserving a compound that is beneficial to a person from a mountaintop to how to harvest, how to process, how to test, how to put it in a capsule or a pill or a potion or

elixir to preserve the very miracle of nature that is there to serve us is an extraordinary journey. Did you see what you just did? Did you feel what you just did? Did you feel that? Telling a story? Yeah. So I'm watching you do exactly what you said that you do, right? Totally. So uber concrete is you said, yeah, like the applied scientist in physical form, like you're a tangible sensory infused person. So you like the tactile world. Yeah.

Interesting enough, I don't see you as being linear in your logic. I see you being almost making intuitive leaps and connections in discrete ways, or not discrete ways, blanking on the word, you pulled disparate information in. But I don't see you as that linear logic kind of structured, but maybe you are. But I see you in, it's more of a creative logic that you're using, which I don't even know if that's a word, but I'm dancing around the word I'm missing right now. All that being said is from physical form, then to go hunt these adaptogens and,

or, and then to tell the story. And yeah, it was cool to just to see you kind of fold right into that slipstream. Yeah. Right. That's, and it is true.

And thank you for being able to be astute enough to kind of pick that apart because I Yeah, right. And it is true, and thank you for being able to be astute enough to kind of pick that apart, because I've creatively led. I instinctually and intuitively lead, and then I back into. Like if I'm creating a product for a company like for example for example yeah Beachbody and I created Shakeology and like if I did Shakeology it's a meal replacement shake I created for Beachbody was just

crushed them I mean amazing like you you really did something yeah it was extraordinary given the I was given the basically the basically do what you need to do and we'll figure out how to sell it. That was the instruction, right? And so you built, what years was that? I started formulating in 2006 and it came out in 2008. And I'm going to be conservative on this number because I don't want to overdo it, but it's grossed $4 to $5 billion in that. It's impressive in the sense that I can't even understand that number, right? But the catalyst of what Beachbody was able to do is supply that and then follow it up with 5,000 tests per batch. These kind of things that I wouldn't be around if you weren't testing uh and validating and preserving you know that very story

that i was telling you about if we're not proving that these compounds are there and also proving that these heavy metals that are showing up in all corners and facets of the world now in many products, food and supplements. If you're not proving that these things are safe and proving that the benefits are there, not interested. And that unfortunately doesn't exist much in the supplement world because it's the wild west. I could, if you told me, "'Darren, I want a Life Mastery supplement line. "'I could call four manufacturers.'" Let's say it's not me.

I could have someone call four contract manufacturers. They could find whatever ingredient you want. They could give you some basic certificates of analysis and you could have a supplement line in a month. And your approach is different. Yeah. Because I got to know who, where, what, how. How is that process? Who's growing it? Where is it coming from? What's the chain of custody? Where's the flow from whole ingredient to the constituents that are active? And what's the fatal convenience part of it? Like, okay, our world has infected our food systems, our botanical systems. relationships, it takes more than effort. It takes a real caring about your people. It takes the right tools, the right information at the right time. And that's where LinkedIn Sales Navigator can come in.

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Big, big, big big big big the biggest and the commitment to do that meaning they're making favorable changes favorable changes nice yeah and i can't i would love to say who it is right now but i can't but so regenerative ag i hope never is a flippant term that it doesn't lose organic kind of like, what does that really mean? This means taking care of the soil so that you can till it again. It's following nature's principles. It's not taking. So we're taking, taking, taking.

And we have no kind of accountability for everything else. And of course, so I see the ultra processed food, which is connected to conventional ag, which is not regenerative at all. So when I was eating Steak'Em as a nine-year-old, what do you think about that? You were eating steak as a nine-year-old? Steak'Em.

Oh my God. Do you remember Steak'Em? I do. them too yeah white bread ketchup and steak them well what exactly was happening in my family like they're like yeah that's a good choice yeah like in and microwave popcorn like you know like pizzas and pizzas and do you remember like the little wrapped burritos and the plastic cooked in plastic? Like, holy. I know. I look back and like, I don't know. No wonder I'm so committed to health because I had some stuff I had to undo.

So, you know, it's. We also had organic stuff. I don't like. Yeah. We lived on a farm. So we also had carrots that we would eat. And we had, you know, like the potatoes from the farm and like eggs from our chickens. And so there was a yin and yang yeah yeah yeah 100 i i think you and i were both growing up in the same kind of era and

and that adjunct of ultra processed food especially in the 70s just in the 80s that's right just blew up and it's this which is another concern of mine, why I wrote Fatal Conveniences, why I wrote this book is because there's this, okay, wrote my first book, Super Life. For the most part, just like common sense, right? I don't know. Like it was really good in the sense like making the clear, obvious. Yeah. really good in the sense like making the clear yeah obvious yeah or making the obvious very clear so that that first book yeah felt like common sense to you but right there's some really good stuff in there right thank you but but your second book here yeah it it's it's the yang and the yang

right here's society right why have we lost common sense? Why have we punted it over time? Why have we taken food that is no longer alive in any stretch of the imagination and then we flip over to its ultra process? actually 40 different constituents of different chemical makeups slammed together to make a hyper palatable very nutrient poor highly chemicalized food and we're okay with that tastes good the price is cheap it's easy to grab and it's killing you give a couple examples of things that you're i'm going back to the concerned piece the ultra processed food yeah 70 of our children are eating their calories from ultra processed food what do you think's going to happen so the flipping of the switch the the the the number one the also i i hope that this

is happening where the wake up of this delusion that some omnipresent regulator has waved their wand over these products like they're safe. But as society, we think that that's happening. There's no way they would sell me toxic food. There's no way they would sell me ultra processed food that is harming and potentially chemicalizing my children who's been bought somebody's been bought because some of the chemicals that um we we allow here in the great state of the united states of america you they would never allow in france or italy or whatever like those even even the big brands the general mills and the those big brands have different skews basically i'm not sure i'm using the right language but different it looks like the same brand that they're selling but it's a different

product yeah it's a different ingredient list because it's health they those countries have said you're not putting that crap in our food yeah there's class one two carcinogen red dye this that right yeah uh you know gatorade red dye 40 connected to add adhd hyperactivity like how about it wow what yeah first of all you're not even starting at fructose as a problem exactly but you're but you would start there as a base. Well, I would start anywhere where you're taking a chemicalized isolation of something. What does that mean? Like fructose.

The coca plant to cocaine. That's a great example. Right, yeah, right. Well, the process that it took to get there too is incredibly gnarly. Like our parents, THC, I don't know why I'm on the drug thing. THC was like 5%. And now it's like, what is it now, guys? I don't smoke.

So it's like 95% or something or 50%, whatever it is. It's like 5X. Please put that in. Please help us know what those numbers are. But there's that that that chemicalized processized approach and that's what you're pointing to yeah i mean that when when you i mean obviously we're extracting compounds we're we're taking whole foods where you know you make tea put hot water you put tea in a tea bag and it extracts compounds. So there's a place in the

natural world where that is absolutely, and then science is getting better and better. But what we're doing in the chemicalized world, 60 to 80,000 chemicals released in us and around us and through us and our products every year of that, not even 10% are tested. And when they're tested, they're only tested acutely for the parameters that they're setting. They're never tested as they interact with one another. Oh, that's interesting. Nothing, doesn't exist.

And so all these products hide behind plausible deniability because if they don't test the safety first, they don't know that it's harmful. What? You're not proving that your product is safe to sell to children and family and moms. How is that possible? How can you put that on a shelf? How is it that 70 70 of the children's food 60 of the adults is ultra processed food that's sprinting them towards heart disease diabetes on and on this is scares the shit out of me underneath it all dude is what scares me underneath it all is that there's an apathy and this blaring conflict of interest that exists in our capitalistic world. It's interesting you go to apathy because I go to something a little bit more sinister, which is they've been bought. Well, that for sure.

But the apathy in terms of our population. Oh, so our population is like, it's okay. It's got a stamp that says – It's got to be okay. Yeah. Is it USDA or whatever? Yeah, USDA.. It's got to be OK. Yeah. Is it USD? What is the USDA or FDA or whatever? Yeah, USDA, Food, yeah.

Yeah. Like these big brands, because they have smiley faces on them, they can't be hurting us. Right. And when I say it, it sounds like I'm being, I don't know, reductive in the simplicity of it. But marketing geniuses are geniuses for a reason. You know, like they can tell a story without people looking, what's the movie, Don't Look Up? Oh yeah.

Yeah, right. It's like, that's kind of what's happening. So, all right. When I read your stuff, I go, man, like what am I supposed to do here? And so, and I am-on committed in my life towards health from a psychological physiological physical spiritual social like i'm full-on committed to it um all right so i want to go through the chapters of your book fatal conveniences

yeah and i want to encourage you know um you to go pick it up and grab one right now but the chapter one the dark side of convenience so let's just hit the word convenience right on its head right now this is kind of what we're talking about but can you pull on that thread just a little bit more yeah yeah so i mean listen we all like convenience that's moved society forward great example is a wheel right instead of dragging around stuff we created a wheel and it rolls right uh and of course the first phone remember we dialed incredible right now we have a phone and a computer that lives on us all of these things are great conveniences, shampoo, toothpaste. I mean, listen, on-demand water. We have on-demand water. We go to our faucet, we turn it on, water is coming out in

your house. It's incredible. Two billion people on the planet, by the way, don't have access. They haven't even seen what clean water looks like. So just sit with that for a second. So for us to be able to turn on water and have it, incredible, right? But there's a rub as we've progressed so fast that take the cell phone, for example. There is stress responses going on in your biological body when

you have electromagnetic fields slammed to your head right and you can think it's woo-woo there's over a thousand studies that's showing that there's free radical oxygen species opening up the blood brain barrier um fertility going down with again this is approximation over time in terms of just the cell phone so the the phone is so amazing if i just leave that aside for a second like what the hell the first time I used Google Maps, I was trying to find this farmer in the middle of nowhere. I was in Indonesia or Australia in the freaking outback. I think it was Australia in the outback. And I couldn't find this artisan hunt that I was on. And I got to try this Google.

And from a satellite, I found out where I was on and I got I gotta try this google in it in it from a satellite I found out where I was so unbelievable but how we use these things is where the rub is and what's in them and so this convenience is so in innately in our being we want want to have convenience. We want to go and control our temperature and the windshield wipers when it's raining. We live in this convenience, right? But when we have allowed a system to come in and we don't have the proper checks and balances, and it's actually potentially harmful to us over time, that's where the wheels start coming off. Finding Mastery is brought to you by Momentus. When it comes to high performance, whether you're leading a team, raising a family, pushing physical limits, or simply

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for 20% off. Let's just stay with the cell phone because it's a good one. I think most of us do know that cell phone next to your brain through your ear is probably not great. But then we've got headphones that we're wearing that Bluetooth and EMF frequencies there. So what are you doing with the your phone great question so distance so if i'm at home not around people in public i'm always on speaker yeah right you think that's enough four feet three feet in front of you as opposed to any distance is better yes okay yeah so just again distance small print on a phone they say don't put it next to your body, right? On every phone. Seriously?

Yeah. Okay. Okay? Is that public information? No. No one reads the small print. Yeah. Dr. Huberman, Andrew Huberman at a party and he just, and I was in the middle of my book and he happened to be looking into EMS too. And he goes, I will never put my phone in my, certainly my front pocket ever again, right? Because of the data, the data is the stress response, fertility, it's directly correlated to the proximity and duration. Again, think of it, everyone. The closer it is to you and the more time that that is communicating and that field

strength is close to your body, that is creating stress responses. Free radicals. You always heard the term antioxidants. Why do you take antioxidants? Because part of the free radicals of normal metabolism is free radicals. So antioxidants are great. But the more stress we're under, you create more free radicals. It shows, proving that with cell phone, Wi-Fi routers, electromagnetic fields, that is increasing stress responses in the body.

Increasing the free radicals. Yeah. Requiring a counter rotation to increase the antioxidants. Yeah. So let's pivot on that, which is what are your best practices to create a response to the free radical, to the stress response? Do you go to

nutrition, lifestyle, psychology? What are some of your best practices there? For a cell phone, for example? No, just in general. So we've got all of these mechanisms that are taking place where we're in the fight of our life. And now you and I are drilling right down. The fight of our life is expressed by free radicals. Whether you've got a Zen approach to life or you've got an anxious approach to life, we still are fighting against the external environment. Yes. Gravity still wins. That's right. And we're trying to minimize free radicals, right? Okay. So, and again, the rotation away from working with free radicals.

Oxidation. Oxidation. Right. Okay. So what do you go to? Well, so distance yourself from free radicals. So if you realize, if you know that you're generating free radicals, do your best to not generate them.

And that could be food, could be the Wi-Fi routers, could be stress response, could be an argument that you had with your spouse. Deal with that level of stress in your life. So that's number one. Distance yourself. Create distance from the stressors. Okay. Interesting. Okay. Number two is I'll definitely go to mindset, right? You definitely got to be quiet, shut up, go inside, turn things off so you can turn inward, right? And so you have a better lens of less reactive living. I think if there's a freaking pandemic in the world, it's everyone, look around, Everyone's reacting to their life. Very, very, very few people are creating their life. So that discipline of be quiet, do a meditation, do a journal, find space and peace and cultivate that and then come from there right you know i'm ringing that

bell you are i'm ringing that bell yeah okay i'm loving that you're going there as okay and the research there is quite nice around the stress response mechanism and are right increasing so then so then of course you course you hit the other ones. You've got to sleep. And sleeping comes from your preparation before you sleep, right? So everything is, are you preparing for the life you want? Starting with that meditation, starting with that journaling. So how I prepare for my evening, I eat good food. I don't eat too close to it. I turn off my screens. I maybe wear some blue light glasses, whatever.

Whatever you need to do, calm down. Get into parasympathetic response, right? Parasympathetic meaning the rest and digest system. Yes. Turn that system off. Yeah, hum to yourself for God's sakes. Do a breath session before you go to bed. Shift that down so your system, your melatonin, your pituitary, excuse me, your pineal can shift into all of that stuff.

But you're overexcited, high cortisol, you're not going to get a deep sleep. You're not going to fall into REM. You're not going to be a deep sleep. You're not going to fall into REM. You're not going to be going to repair and recovery. And there is no pill, nothing you can do if you're not sleeping. And turn that damn Wi-Fi router off at night. Turn the stress off. Just turn it off. You don't need it.

Turn it off. So now you're sleeping in a – and listen, I darken everything. If you don't have a dark, if you're not blacked out, wear a mask. I think it's one of the great triggers. I've been wearing masks for the last five or six years. And it's when I was traveling a bunch, I was getting a little weird because I was bringing a little tape and sticking tape on. I mean, when you go to hotels, there's a lot of lights. There's a calling right now for hotel chains to be great with lights and little conveniences for people that take their sleep seriously, like blackout shades. Some do it right.

Some don't. But anyways, just a little mask. Call it 20 bucks. I got three of them. One stays in my suitcase all the time. So just like pavlov right as soon as i pull that thing down my body goes oh i know what the deal is yeah i know what we're doing here yeah and so um but that to your point i'm not humming but i am breathing i am down regulating and i am turning my um uh my phone off i'm not flipping

through you know social it's a stimulant and I'm not answering emails after 9 p.m. So on that, you can even take up your sleeping pattern even more if you're having a problem because we have to shift into nose breathing because that's directly connected to parasympathetic as well. You could even tape your mouth. so are you i'm not humming or taping my mouth but i had to convert as a let's call it 18 year old from a mouth breather to a nose breather and that was a it took me a good six months of work to kind of get that to a habit lights out one of the greatest things i ever did to my body right to make that conversion so you can do it too you know powerful yeah oh it's really good all right so are tell me

about your plugs too if you're in a weird environment your body your brain is not used to the sounds yeah even the creaking of certain rooms that's different than your own creaking that the intermittent sound is the problem for me and and earbuds don't do it for me so it's the intermittent kind of loud bang this and that the. The constant hum, like a New York City traffic hum, I'm actually okay with, but it's when the trash truck comes. So tell me about your humming practice. It's pretty simple. I'll sing or I'll hum. Either I got, something that people don't know. I listen to chanting more than anything. Like Gregorian chant? I love Gregorian chanting.

I do too. It's more of – it's world music and or it's a language I don't understand. Cool. Right? I love African chanting. I love Krishna Das and things like that. So Bhakti yoga, where it's just this, it's just an expression.

So humming, singing to that, it's probably on loop every morning as I journal. We need a playlist. Oh my God. Yeah, we need your playlist. It's so good. Yeah. Maybe send a couple that So good. Yeah. All right. Maybe send a couple that I can get vibed with and maybe put it in the show notes or something,

but like, okay. So is your humming open mouth or closed mouth? Closed. And you're doing it to stimulate. But it's also like, I also, my voice, so I'll just fun and usually at a party or something. But to myself too, I've just gotten fun at playing like I'm the didgeridoo. So I'll do – ready? Here we go. Here we go.

Yeah, that's so good. just that alone you can feel which is a long exhale as well yeah mechanically exactly just did like an eight second exhale or exactly 10 second exhale and so i'd love to hear your voice in like a zen temple like you're right oh it's good yeah that's fun yeah good okay so um is your practice your humming your humming practice, is it short? Is it short? 20 seconds? Yeah. Or is it like 20 minutes? It depends.

Sometimes I'll get some anger out too. So sometimes if I'm holding something, like just the other day, I realized something. I was like, it was just sitting here as I was like next to me. I could feel the energy. I was pissed off about something. I was angry. I was like next to me. I could feel the energy. I was pissed off about something. I was angry. I was, it was raining. I was in the yard. My, the house wasn't moving fast enough. So I like had to turn into that. And I think that's big fatal convenience. People don't look at their stuff and create the space to look at it, go, what is this? I could easily pretend i know what it is in my mind but until i stopped and looked at it

so i i i did a little i'm luckily i'm you know in the woods so i just kind of let out a little like aggressive primal scream and then that unlocked this journal stuff and then i had access to all of this insight that i didn't have access to before until i turned into it and these things sometimes are scary you know you don't want to look at it it's why for you it's a pain in the ass you know it's like i love the simplicity of that yeah yeah you you i've got shit to do yeah right i've got 30 minutes to do my thing i'm all kind of automated right and instead of going through the process and i could easily yeah i meditated today i journaled but something was there and i so easily could have blown it off and And this, we all do this. It's there and we don't acknowledge

and we just continue. And I turned into it. I let this out. I started journaling about it. And then I had this group workshop that I was finishing after three weeks. So I had to kind of do this talk. Oh my God, the stuff coming out of me was so powerful and they felt it. And I'm like, I wouldn't have been that person if I was holding on to something that so easily I didn't want to initially look at. This is the power. And I know you love, I love this shit too. And you and I can talk about this all the time. There is so the power. And I know you love, I love this shit too. And you and I can talk about this all the time. There is so much power.

There's so much possibility in looking at pain, looking at uncomfortable, looking at fear. The biggest antidote of all fear is turning and staring at it. Just turning right around and staring at it. It will be a bully in your life until you turn around and slap the shit out of it. Go, what do you want? Seriously, what do you fucking want? And then give it space and open up.

And that's kind of like, for me, I get that kind of charge, that kind of my old football self comes up, like, God damn it. And I get, I i'm like i'm done with this shit what is this right uh so that's kind of like i think a very very important superpower but it you can only really get there if you cultivate i think time because if you don't have the time to look at these sometimes annoying little awarenesses, they will create a disease.

So before we go into the disease piece of it, can you make it just a little bit more concrete? What is the thing in this case that you've already worked through so that maybe the person listening can go, oh, I have something close so that maybe the person listening can go oh i have something close to that or the very same thing give the concrete example yeah if you're okay with it yeah yeah so this was you know i lost my house in the fire five years ago that's an acute trauma third most gnarly thing in my life it's it's still acute no it's not that wasn't acute trauma it wasn't acute you're saying it's it's chronic but now there's i'm living in 400 square feet been spending money and time trying to rebuild on my property right and it's obviously wickedly slow slow and painful uh acutely well over time i am so i'm looking around going

what am i contributing to this because i'm i'm i'm fucking done yeah like so i'm sitting there it's starting to rain i'm in my yurt i'm with my dogs it's it's the tract in mud like and I'm like working on projects that are big and I'm stoked about and I'm looking around going the hell is going on this is not this is not my truth this is five years okay cool I get. I get it. Check. Off the bat, what am I contributing to keep this struggle? And that's the thing. It just was like I am generating struggle because I went through some pain. And somehow I have had an aspect of me needing to struggle in order to create. I'm like, what the fuck is that yeah i don't need

struggle to create i am over it right so so unpacking all of that it released me of like wow i'm i okay it may have started because i went through a lot, right? And maybe there was some remnants of that struggle because I've been on tractors, I've had landslides, I've had roads collapsing, I've had a lot of stuff and money going out and nothing happening. And just, it's been a long time, man. And people always say, oh, it's so cute. You live in a yurt.

It's so nice. It must be so wonderful. Six months in, it was cool. Yeah. It's like, I'm 53 years old. I got shit to do. And I don't want to be sitting around here. I got solar panels that broke.

I've got a generator on. People have no idea. And so that is not my life. It is an aspect. I'm grateful for it. And so I am now in the middle of extracting and squeezing that rag and getting out the drops of whatever it is that I feel like I'm contributing to from that injury of that event. Well, the easy narrative, and I'm sure you've examined this, is that because of that acute trauma, you've reorganized your life in such a way to not be re-traumatized again. And going back in the house actually does create, whether it's a new house, does create

a reorientation back to the same setting that was commingling with the trauma. So if you could stay in the yurt, you don't have your house burned down again, is the safest way of thinking. And intellectually, you are way too smart to be trapped by that. But down at deeper levels, it's like, well, once I actually get in there and maybe the whole rubric is like, I'm going to have every corner in the house be perfect. And I'm going to go to the nth degree to make sure that this is a palace that is EMF free and organic to the nines. And then it's going to be so quote unquote perfect that once I go in, it'll be right. And you're laughing because there's probably some narrative in there, but have you dealt with that first trauma?

Where you are like, yeah, I've worked through that trauma. I feel like I have. Yeah. So now it's just like the to your point the remnants of um need to take the next step and yeah yeah but and pieces are coming together but it's like i i i have to always in my life i have to understand my piece of this i my contributing factor of my scenario right so so what am i energetically physically mentally contributing to keeping me call it stuck right and like I have I I can no longer afford to allow myself to be stuck in these ways. Finding Mastery is brought to you by Cozy Earth.

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feel exactly what you brought us into is like, what am I well actually i don't think that most people go what am i doing but we are we're going back to um what's wrong externally and not how am i contributing internally but that idea that there's so much more to go to give to grow and not like the great fear is like i haven't done my time right. It's not dying. It's not spending my time correctly. And how do you, how do you work with that? I struggle too. Like I say yes too much. I waste time. I was just in this cause kind of off of that. I've had this edge, which I like. It's almost like my game face is on yeah like and it hasn't been on in a certain like where have i been like and like we're about to play and i i now i'm like i'm

ready and so that's cool yeah so even having this meeting which i loved it was like a medicinal mushroom pet company which i freaking love medicinal mushroom pet company, which I freaking love. Medicinal mushroom pet company. So of course, my dog, yeah, my dog, like they make chaga for dogs. And like my dog's name is chaga. Like, but they come from the lab space. They tested everybody's and they splintered off.

It's this Japanese family. And they're like, I love it. The benefits of chaga being? So it's the king. It's the king of medicinal mushrooms. It's one of the adaptogens that's been used in the Ming dynasty, the Vikings. And again, it's this modulator, right? Helps the immune system system helps you recover like incredible

medicinal mushroom and it's weird because it doesn't look like a mushroom right comes off the often an injured birch tree hmm right and the coloring of it looks like my dog which is why I named it is it it's not blue no that's a that's a that's an oyster mushroom never mind yeah yeah this is like uh like if you you could walk past it and think it was like this uh kind of dark part of the birch tree but you crack it open it's this deep orange red underneath it oh very cool yeah Okay. So, um, so anyway, I have this kind of edge to me when I, I had this meeting set up and I had all these other things that I do, but it was disrupting my day. And I'm like, what am I doing? I already met with them. And the point is that I was inefficient at my time. And it was more, it was, it was bugging me more because i was now had my game face on

now i was aware now i have the sense of a different urgency and it's just it's i don't know man i i'm i don't like you you have like rob durdick right so rob is like i love rob but he's got like this control of his time like i heard he's so optimized i've read that he is incredibly optimized down i mean you should have him on yeah you'd be fascinated because he's he's like i gain a lot of stuff from him like i love what he's doing. He's a master at it. And he cracked a business model that is unbelievable. Like, honestly. From a skate rat

to like a legit business. Legit. Yeah. Like, good on Rob. Yeah. I'd love to have him at some point. He's pretty special. Yeah.

He's a special dude. Love that guy. And so I need to be more discerning as to my yeses and nos, as to my time and punt that off to my team. Because I launched this new marketplace where I'm vetting companies and only allow the vetted companies of the antidote for fatal conveniences into that. Because, again, people just go, well, just where do I get this water filter? So if you get the Darren stamp, it's like it's gone through some rigor to say that this type of chaga, this type of ashwagandha, this type of water is the way to go. And in order to get in there, they have to provide a discount to the customer. Oh, okay.

Yeah, have to. Yeah, there we go. So it's a benefit for everyone. And again, it was that resistance of not wanting to necessarily just give someone the answer, right? Yeah. Okay. So your marketplace, which is what I desperately want from you, answers, right?

That's what this whole thing is about. And again, it's a work in progress because- It's not built yet. It's built. Oh, it is. It's launched. But there's categories that need to be filled. It's like the onboarding is intense because every owner of the company eventually wants to

talk to me i don't have the time to have all of these meetings so yeah so i'm like so what i'm using back to what i was saying i was creating the the criteria and having ai write out the onboarding questions that i would be asking and the AI just made it easier to do that. So then all of the categories, I'm creating these onboarding exercises that I would have to ask them anyway. So then you're getting 99% of the stuff out there going, well, that's a no, that's a yes. And then if it gets to that point you either have my team or someone else kind of meet and finalize the thing so that that's where i think you know life uh i always measure against like what am i doing this for like i have to know why i'm doing something

and and the marketplace is people need better solutions in the world. And I want the companies to also benefit from the exposure because oftentimes they can't afford paying me as a, you know, ambassador for it. But, but what I can do is provide them a population of people that can see their product.

What a great, what a great marketplace. Yeah, it's great. It's great. Where do we go to? DarrenOlean.com and under the shop and they have partnerships, they have marketplace and it's, yeah, it's all there. Awesome.

It's a great service. Yeah. And, you know, third of my book is solutions. So it's basically taking the last part of my book and shoving it into a place where people can buy quality stuff. Speaking of solutions, we hammered the technology bit just a little bit. What about water? I know you spend a lot of time on water. Yeah.

And then come full circle on just a general idea for um nutrition and i know i know that that's you know a big big topic but like just let's let's hit water really water's water's important i kind of think of it as when people kind of get their head around fatal conveniences are everywhere and they are i'm sorry you're wearing them you're using them and average woman is exposed to 126 chemicals every day and most of them are endocrine disrupting and forever chemicals, et cetera, et cetera. So the first thing when people go, shit, what do I do?

Well, when you're opening up your mouth and you're pouring liquids in that you absolutely need for life, start there, right? As well as the food that you're eating and then kind of go from in to out. So in terms of water, unfortunately, because of the chemicals that we're using in our industries, they're now reinfecting our waterways. And the municipalities

have no ability to filter out those chemicals. We're back into the 60 to 80,000 while the municipalities haven't been keeping up, right? So they're not filtering out. So the on-demand water that's a great convenience is not clean, right? It's got microplastics and the PFAS scares the shit out of me. What is that? So PFAS is a fluorine gas that is the godfather of that is Teflon.

Heat resistant, slippery, really good at its job, right? PFAS is one of the scariest things that we're playing around with today in the chemical world right so this is on paper when paper is slippery probably has pfos on it is that like receipts is that why it's been suggested regular paper as well you're talking fire retardants you're talking clothing you're talking underwear you're talking baby bibs that are easy to wipe off you're talking waterproof anything you're talking about mascara lipstick you're putting this stuff off when you see things like wrinkle free and waterproof those are indicators of like what chemical makeup pun intended, is there in order for that to exist, right?

Is it on the label PFAS? Nothing. Oh, good. It doesn't exist on the label. So PFAS shows up. So now 50%, 48%, it's probably closer, but 48% of Americans are being infected with PFAS from their water. All right.

So what do we do with water? Let's get back to the basics because there's so much to talk about. And then fluoride needs to be taken out, which is a neurotoxin and showing up in a bunch of studies and in children's IQ going down being exposed to that shit. So the fact that we've put fluoride in water, that is a derivative and a byproduct of the pesticide and herbicide companies and the aluminum making companies, and we're shoving it in our water is one of the most insane things going on, right? We've got to filter this out. What do you do? do distillation or reverse osmosis right so ro system get it strip it out if you can if you've got a spring and you've tested your water and it's clean then by all means that's the gold standard if you are are wealthy enough to get spring water in a glass delivered to your house go go for it for most of

us an ro system so it strips everything it's neutral water osmosis yeah it's like a salt filtration is that reverse osmosis yeah so it's just a filter okay it's a it's a micron size filter membrane it doesn't allow anything else to go through. So it's usually, with a good RO system, it's between zero and 15 parts per million of TDS. So it means it's virtually non-existent. But in order for hydration to happen, we are saltwater beings. We need electrolytes in our water. We need salt in our water. So unrefined, a pinch per glass, a half a teaspoon per liter of unrefined Himalayan salt, Celtic sea salt, any clean salt added into your water. convenience on my podcast about the benefits of that over some crazy Gatorade or whatever,

right? So add that. Now you've got, buy yourself a glass bottle. Don't expose your water to plastic. And now you've saved yourself money. You've created a clean water source and now your hydration will go up as a result and you won't be toxified by the water. And also the same with cooking and put a shower filter on your shower. Okay, what does a reverse osmosis system typically cost for a family? Yeah, I mean, these things can be expensive

or they can be a couple hundred bucks, right? So you should be able to get one. AquaTrue is one of the companies that I found and they'll give all my customers $100 off. Brilliant, that's countertop. So you should be able to get one. AquaTrue is one of the companies that I found. And they'll give all my customers $100 off. Brilliant. That's a countertop. Yeah.

That's a countertop system. And they have a system where it goes into a glass bottle. Yep. And that's it. Brilliant. Yeah. So then filtration. If it's a filtration system, are you saying, yeah, it's probably good enough? Or are there grades to filtration?

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, most of the other, if it's not ultimately an RO or a distillation, you're leaving probably remnants of chemicals or other small particulates of TDS in your water. And is there a test or company that you would like a recommend some sort of strip that you could put under your water to see how it is? Well, I mean, there's all kinds of, you know, I've had all kinds of little meters. If you really want to nerd out, you can find out what the TDS in your water, the total dissolved solids, you can find out what the pH is in your water. You can find out what the hell the ORP is, the oxygen reduction space, the antioxidant

effect of water. So you find out a lot of stuff. If you really want to nerd out, you can go a fourth phase of water by Dr. Gerald Pollack, and that is a rabbit hole. He discovered something called the exclusion zone, that water, when it comes up against the hydrophilic surface of a cell, creates polarity. So it takes the protons and electrons and it pushes them away.

So it actually creates a microcurrent just by the water coming up to the cell. And so they realized that inside that exclusion zone when the protons electrons get pushed out it creates like a gel structured side of the water so it's a whole wild i went to bulgaria at the the world's water conference and dude i'm pretty good with science i had no idea what these guys were talking like okay like like the the research the conclusions the research around water is just extraordinary but bottom line is you gotta you gotta have create clean water you have to the the nuts and bolts you have to get rid of the chemical exposure and increase the electrolytes of the water. Finding Mastery is brought to you by iRestore.

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and there's other research which doesn't it just tears up the gut it's it's like this is not and it doesn't leave the system very very hard to leave the system it's even showing up in heart tissue oh my goodness yeah yeah it's it's pretty crazy how and you look like this is where my brain goes as within so without and it's all over in our oceans oh yeah right so the same systems are going on the same system this very system that was like the bell went off so profoundly it was like oh if we hurt our micro system just by the mere fact of how it was created is inherently hurting the macro system of the environment. So to be an environmentalist is to avoid fatal conveniences.

Very cool. Yeah. What a great little summary there. Yeah. And so if you do need to have water on the go and you don't have access to a filtration system, you're staying at a hotel, is there a brand that you feel comfortable talking about that is a choice for you? comfortable talking about that you is a

choice for you yeah i mean if you can find i mean there's all kinds of any bottled water would be great meaning glass bottle glass or glass bottles mountain spring seems to be the most that's the one around that i find easiest yeah it seems to be around the most there used to be this nordic one what was the name of it but then for some reason they probably got bought out and they switched it to plastic and i was like what are you doing yeah um yeah there's an austrian company i forget the name halstrom house house they're gonna kill me halstrom like i don't like the idea of of sending water around the planet like i just don't like the

the idea of it especially when you can recreate yeah clean water yeah so just the inherent business model i don't like but i do appreciate good water right but um yeah but we we have the power to create good water ourselves we just need to filter and do a little couple steps we've hit on mindset we've hit on sleep we've hit on um hydration yeah and then if there's just a handful of uh guidance on nutrition before we wrap it up um that you would say to to do well in life if you can grow your own food anything even an herb even a mint leaf if you can grow anything it's it it it creates a connection that i think is a cool answer yeah what a really cool answer we've got a little herb garden in our backyard that like it's a cool answer yeah

and and you can also take it and out if you want to create one of the greatest superfoods ever on your countertop yeah you want to you're ready ready sprouts come on yeah yeah so i invested full disclosure i invested because i believe in it i've sprouted most of my life um my buddy doug evans called made the the sprouting company i doug is a madman i love that he is he's a force of nature oh yeah so you went on his new his new venture yeah because he was into um juice and vegetables for a while and now we went into seeds i think right so seeds and sprouting so he's developed we've developed these sprouting kits and certified and tested our seeds for the highest amount of, for example, our broccoli seeds will have the highest amount

of glucoraphanins, which will then when you eat, when you macerate, it increases and turns on the most sulforaphane. How often do you macerate? Good one, good one. You couldn't resist. You couldn't resist. I couldn't or you couldn't.

I'm right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. So sprouts, you can sprout your own and have a salad in five to seven days. And there's a little garden of power on your countertop. Where do we point people to go get some of those sprouts? The sprouting company. Okay.

And then you can just get those packets and get some seeds. And if you had a little space, like I have a small little space we're just doing like rosemary and that kind of kind of indigenous type of flower yeah or plant but so i could just do that there yeah is that yeah yeah okay and if you have lawn grow something rather than grass 47 million acres of lawn in the united states if we used half of it we would pretty much end or any food scarcity right very cool yeah okay so that that can be a great place to just start keep it simple yeah yeah look i appreciate you thank you and then before we go we got to get some baruca nuts yes Yes. You know, like it is, I enjoy nuts. I don't know if nuts are good for my gut or not.

I don't know how hard they are. Oh my God. But I eat a lot, you know, handfuls throughout the day. And Baruca is a go-to. It sounds like it is an infomercial, but I didn't know that you were the founder of it for a long time. And I felt like I had this little wonderful secret you know like i share it with everyone i know just how good it is and it was really fun to know that

you're the founder of it amazing and so is it barucas.com or like what is the website yeah barucas.com b-a-r-u-k-a-s yeah and uh highest high is it the highest nut in fiber? Yeah, it turns out. Yeah, it turns out. And lower in fat than most? Lower in fat calories, complete proteins. Complete proteins, what is a complete? All amino acids. Is it 11?

11 amino acids? Yeah. All 11 are in there? Yeah. Do you take aminos? Do you supplement with aminos? No. You don't?

No. Because of your barucas? My barucas and my wide-colored eating pattern of plants. Are you intermittent fasting? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I always have. It's now I'll say yes to the term, but yeah. Yeah.

I eat two meals a day. So I eat an early dinner done by by six i eat again at 10 a.m yeah i'm i'm kind of and you're built like a brick house so you're how big are those meals like are you getting 3 000 calories in those two meals no how many calories two 2200 yeah so i'll have like a flintstone size smoothie bowl with like an insane amount of fruit right and i'll have like shakeology or some other boosts and tons of barucas and have three bananas and five dates and two cups of wild blueberry. Three bananas? Oh, yeah, yeah. Apple, like all of it. Okay.

All right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And one of my favorite greens is a raw living spirulina, so a frozen spirulina. I'll throw that in. One of the greatest foods ever. I love spirulina. It tastes like I need to swallow it quickly.

Yeah, but the powder that you're you're missing out on the all of the constitutions so don't do powder you're saying well it's not that don't do it you're just not getting it all there's vitamin b6 b12 in raw spirulina even i don't even know how to get raw spirulina yeah you can order yeah from there's a there's a new farmer is one okay and another company called literally raw living spirulina so it looks like a plant no it's like a paste of frozen powder so you get it's frozen you put one in your fridge it unfreezes and you take a scoop every day okay cool if not more all right i'm on it and then what what else is in this massive fruit salad yeah this sounds like an insulin you know this sounds like

a diabetes best friend or worst nightmare well if you have if you're if you're already compromised almost anything's going to hurt you but for me no whole fruit no yeah whole fruit is not the problem with your fruit whole fruit is not the problem with diabetes right okay if i'm sucking down an isolated fructose strip yeah right you know yeah and then taking some weird ass smoothie from the grocery store right in a plastic bottle like those are diabetic bombs that's not you know that's not what that's not what you're doing this is whole fruit yeah right and uh yeah every day man and then my what about the protein in that in that meal that will be the brookas that will be ie there's protein in everything i even fruit what does ie mean

i mean the example in other words there's there's yeah yeah there is there's protein and grapes exactly yeah right right there's protein and grapes yeah it's the greatest source of protein no it's not but there's protein in everything yeah yeah so so yeah subrukas and shakeology it's got protein in it so that's okay that's the morning and then at night it's a massive salad of some one scoop of shakeology yeah that's what you and that you just kind of put that on top yeah and it mixes just fine yeah yeah and then a massive uh i had a bowl of potatoes sweet potatoes i had a bowl of potatoes, sweet potatoes. I had a huge salad. I had tempeh. I had –

So you're vegan. I didn't know that. Yeah, yeah. I did not know you're vegan. Yeah. 15 years. What is your counter-rotation to people that are like, just eat raw meat? The exact opposite.

It's ridiculous. It's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. I don't have an argument. I have no interest. Like I'm not going to have an argument with that. Good luck. There's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. I don't have an argument. I have no interest. Like I'm not going to have an argument with that. Good luck. There's no long-term data. In fact, there's zero long-term data of your longevity status.

And so these people are like you're putting yourself in a horrible position from probably in ketosis. It's a survival mechanism of your body. Like it makes no biological sense. What about for athletes? Do you point to being a vegan for athletes or would you? I mean, again, you're dealing with a biological individual. So I wouldn't. there was two at the seattle seahawks that were full vegan and it kind of freaked them freaked folks out like on the

nutrition side of things like can they and um they did a great job they were uber disciplined they nailed it yeah well listen you have to be disciplined to your life you have to be the ceo of your of of what you're doing in your life. So if you say, oh my God, I couldn't be that restrict. It's like, no, that's just be aware of what you're putting in your damn mouth. Because if you're not, you will be a victim of this ultra process craziness that is hurting people anyway. So that's the majority of the people. So yeah, you got to be aware of it. But the amount of energy i give to what i eat is virtually nothing because it's all automated like it's all part of my life and i i still my

testosterone is high my muscle mass is solid my strength is there it's like so you you look i know you but you look like you're supplementing no this is going to sound bad you look like somebody who would be supplementing with trt or some sort of testosterone because you still have as in your 50s you're in your 50s yeah yeah yeah you still have bone density muscle mass like that looks great yeah and you're not well hell no okay i didn't think yeah just to be clear yeah no no no i mean thank you it's a compliment but like i see these guys do it so early you know in their 30s or 40s and like you haven't even dealt with the foundation of your health yeah and when you haven't dealt with that like i can play with yohimbi or rhodiola or optimize my adaptogens like let that do its thing first with my sleep with my hydration with my exercise of staying away from the endocrine disruptors of plastic on my balls

of normal underwear of of formaldehyde coming out of my fucking clothes from the azo dyes like all of that stuff with emfs with your emf on your in your head with your bluetooth on your pocket you're destroying your endocrine system you're destroying your testosterone so i have optimized my life to minimize all of that stuff what happens when you give yourself what nature is you know what to do your body knows what to do and so then if i need to adjust here and there i can go on to an herb and let the herb do do its magic and still kick some ass you know how do you support folks that when i go into the grocery store and there's grapes, okay? We go back to grapes.

There's the organics and then there's the normal kind of whatever. It's expensive. Yeah, yeah. Like it's expensive. So how do you guide folks that are lower economic status that making that choice is absurd for folks that are in communities that don't always have the resources to be able to choose the organic options. I think number one, the system's broken. The fact that we've subsidized the wrong food is a crime. We're subsidizing fast food to shove into the faces and to make that available for people when it's dangerous for them to do it. So we should subsidize. If I was a surgeon general,

we'd subsidize whole food. We'd subsidize clean food. We'd subsidize regenerative. We follow nature. Nature is so abundant. You plant one seed, what do you get? You get a tree, you get fruit, you get 7,000 seeds from that one seed. That's abundance. This is not out of the world of abundance, but if you eat this chemicalized manufactured food, you will be sorry. So what do I say to them? Do the cheap things. For 25 cents, You can sprout, create your own salad, right? By three, by a bunch of Mason jars,

get the sprouts and have a bunch of those going. You have a, you have a salad every day of the week, right? Boom. What can't afford a dollar 25, right? So all of a sudden you've,

you've freed that up. We have to be creative and yes i get it okay if there's organic and you're sitting there i'm like i gotta have grapes i gotta have grapes wash those damn things because they're part of the dirty dozen the bunch of exposed conventional grown pesticides so you can minimize some of that exposure of herbicides, pesticides, larbicides by washing. An easy wash is sodium bicarbonate and organic vinegar. So soak all of that stuff and that gets rid of most of the chemicals. Rinse and then eat that.

Is that baking soda baking soda baking soda and some vinegar put it in a bowl how much are we talking about it doesn't matter wash it around yeah let's sit for at least five minutes oh it's five minutes yeah so you'll put your fruit in those things yeah vegetables strawberries are sitting there and you just drop them in that yep good to know yeah that's you said white vinegar yeah organic white vinegar vinegar i if i ran out i use my apple cider vinegar too oh you do yeah yeah yeah yeah so so you get rid of a lot of the exposure on the outside of the pesticides and herbicides are you are you do you take apple cider apple cider vinegar on a regular basis yeah like a yeah in the morning usually

sometimes i'll do a shot of like a sodium bicarbonate and apple cider vinegar you put baking soda in yeah yeah for what reason well it's a nice like if you need a little colon cleanse oh it does yeah yeah good to know yeah if i get exposed to something and my gut's off like i'll just that'll clean clean it out good to know come on man i've traveled like literally when i've traveled around the world and all of a sudden you're like oh i just ate something that's not good like or i'm constipated which doesn't happen often but that yeah that'll flush itium bicarbonate. See ya. 20 minutes. Oh.

Turmeric is like, I love turmeric. It's not, it doesn't have that response to me, but I'm probably consuming as much turmeric as you would hope I would. Like, so I'm on the turmeric for anti-flams and, and, and, and. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Listen, I love it. I, it'd be interesting if there was like a TV show that just followed you around.

How about it? That'd be interesting. You've got a couple of them them what are some shows that you'd like people to see that i like down to earth if you haven't seen it check it out uh my my buddy uh jason i don't know i know him too too too well and i know the team but jason momoa just came out with the show on the roam where he traveled around with uh you know you and jason did it i didn't know he he he went to a bunch of his artisan friends and stuff and from motorcycles it it's really cool in the sense you don't you don't have to love necessarily what he's doing but the characters and the people you can relate to and which is really what i love to see in terms

of and i think that's part of what people loved about down to earth too it's like you get to know like these cool people that are uh doing good things and uh and yeah it's a fun show it's great yeah thank you for leading from the front from absolutely being organic with your approach to life there's a lot of cheesiness and all that but listen i really appreciate how you show up in the Eating from the front, from absolutely being organic with your approach to life. There's a lot of cheesiness in all that. But listen, I really appreciate how you show up in the world. That's kind of how I started. And so thank you.

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