Finding Mastery with Dr. Michael Gervais - The Weight We Carry: Ricardo Lockette on Loss and Healing

Episode Date: February 7, 2026

Some moments don’t fade. They wait.In this episode of The Game Inside the Games, Dr. Michael Gervais reconnects with Ricardo Lockette as returning to the Super Bowl setting brings old emotions back to the surface. The conversation moves beyond the game itself into grief, loss, and the weight of moments that never fully resolve.Lockette speaks candidly about the Super Bowl heartbreak, the injury that ended his career, and why public grieving can be harder than physical pain. Drawing on their close relationship, Gervais helps him unpack what those experiences still mean—and how resilience is built in the aftermath, not the moment.This is a raw, human conversation about survival, leadership, and learning how to live with moments that don’t come with clean endings._____💥 Support our sponsors and get exclusive discounts: https://findingmastery.com/sponsors 📬 Sign up for the Finding Mastery newsletter to get weekly insights from Dr. Michael Gervais: https://www.findingmastery.com/newsletter 🧠 Download Dr. Mike’s Morning Mindset Routine: https://www.findingmastery.com/morningmindset 🔔 Like and Subscribe to @findingmastery for weekly insights from top performers_____ This episode is brought to you by CDW and Microsoft. AI is revolutionizing how work gets done. CDW and Microsoft can play a vital role in unlocking the transformative potential of Microsoft Copilot. By leveraging this technology, organizations can achieve significant productivity gains, enhance innovation and streamline workflows.Unlock opportunities to improve both employee and customer experiences when you partner with CDW to deploy your Copilot solutions. Our experts can help maximize the capabilities of Copilot, by building out roadmaps, use cases, and agent experiences that supercharge efficiency for your organization.Aka.ms/CDWMicrosoftCopilot Learn more about CDW’s internal Copilot adoption story: CDW rolls out Microsoft 365 Copilot to 10,000 employees, reporting 85% productivity gains | Microsoft Customer StoriesSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

The Super Bowl becomes everything. There is so much noise. You have three hours to tell everybody what you know about this game. The game is everywhere. Ricardo Lockett. Yeah, man. Long time coming. How about it?

Like, one, you look great. You're too, man. Yeah. I like your new cut. You're the only one. Yeah, man. My wife looked at me when I came home. It was yesterday I got this haircut.

She's like, what are you doing? No, it's cool, man. It's just different because. She father's not used to seeing you that way. Yeah, right. Yeah, right. But once it's settled in, she's going to love it. So, okay, it's been years since we really spent some time.

We've seen each other over the years. But you were an instrumental player in the Seattle Seahawks in the Super Bowl runs. And not only did you perform at the highest level, but you also were part of somebody, or you're part of building the culture that was really special there. I don't know if you know how much space you actually took up. just by your presence and your charisma and your passion and, you know, the way you handled yourself was really important. So maybe, maybe just take a moment. You're the, you're the only person that I know that literally broke their neck playing the sport. So, so just bring us up to speed.

It's probably one of the hardest things that you've ever done in your life is coming back from that and working through that. Second hardest. The first hardest was losing the Super Bowl. that was worse but second was harder than breaking your neck yeah breaking my neck wasn't that bad because I was sleep and then I woke up and I was better but um living through the thought process of could I have done something better to catch the ball could I've ran a better route that's more so of a thought process that goes in and out of my mind but if I you know getting blindsided you know you know things happen you know it's kind of like having an accident and you your favorite car and then eventually you get over that car because you're thankful to be alive

and then you start to think about things that are better. But if you had that accident and a family member had passed, it would be a lot harder to get over that because of the mistake that you made and the agony that it caused everyone else. Okay. So what we're talking about for folks that might not be familiar is that V-Play. Yeah. That ended our second Super Bowl was a throw to you. Right. And what you just said is that you feel you probably wrestle deeply with like you let people down something you did that you caused it to that is that what I'm hearing you say? I just feel like I could have done more. I don't blame anybody else. I don't blame the person blocking.

I don't blame the person throwing. I don't blame the person calling the play. I don't blame the person that hired the person that called the play. I just feel like if it didn't go satisfactory, there's something I could, I could have done better. And I just wrestle with different thoughts of what I could have done better. Yeah. And like, what a interesting paradox that we're in right now that here you are, you've healed. Yeah.

You've worked through it. And then here we are 12 years later. And they're playing that play a lot. And so you're seeing one of the toughest things that you've ever been through. when you watch it, what is it like for you? It's okay. You just have to keep pushing. What's the emotion that you're with? I just want to do it again. I just wish I could do it again.

I wish I had a second opportunity. I wish I just wish we would have got it done. It's probably the worst day of my life. That night, I cried the entire night. I'm not a cry at all. I look at myself as a warrior. I want to say I cried maybe seven to nine months after that. just randomly, not, you know, boo-horn, but just maybe walking through the mall and maybe tears or fall down my eye and I just wipe them. Sometimes just dropping my daughter off at school, I think about it just by seeing the football field, you know, at the school. So I hope I know everything will go well. I'm excited for the guys, for the opportunity, but I hope they make the best of the opportunity because it could be the best day or the worst day of your life. So it's a great

opportunity. You just have to make the most of your opportunity. Yeah, I mean, there's, there's nothing I or anybody can say to take any of that pain away, but I will reframe one thing for you. Most people, I mean, most people, never know what they're capable of because they're afraid to step into public scrutiny. So they hide, they play it safe and small. And you haven't done that in your life. No, I haven't had the ability to. I haven't had the option. No. No, you had the option. You could have done all types of wild things to compromise your talent. You could have done all types of...

Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. But you stepped into the limelight to figure out how good you could become. And with that becomes, or with that comes mistake making. With that comes heartache and hurt. And right now, even, you're teaching how to do that, which is feel the emotions. Yeah. Put words to them. Yeah.

I've got a lot of respect for you. Yeah. But just now you said something that I think framed it really intently for me. Yeah. I said it. I said it. Talking about the Super Bowl feels like speaking on an untimely death. It's almost as if one of your parents died.

And you're doing an interview and saying, hey, how does it feel to be back at the same church your dad was buried at? You know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. you know, how do you feel today? And it's like, you know, it's a hurting time. It's something that I had to get over. It's something that was unfortunate for me. But now I have to talk about it in a positive way. Even though I thought I was over it, I thought that the emotions were gone.

But I don't know. I don't know how to do the work to get rid of it. We can talk about that. But what's happening right now is so normal. Yeah. For all of us, everybody processes grief in their own unique way. Yeah. And the idea that we're supposed to have it all together, the idea that we're not supposed

to feel pain, whether it's in this setting or another setting, is so ridiculous. And it does such harm for so many of us because, like, you've got the warrior part of you down. But also, what about the gardener part? What about the person that tills and works with the soil and, like, nurtures? that part also needs to be taken care of. Yeah. You know?

And so, look, I think you have done more good in this handful of moments, just allowing me and us to feel that trauma is real. Yeah. And we call it sport, but it was the most important thing in your life. 100%. 100%. That was, man, I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. But however, I am here today.

And I enjoy raising my kids. My son is an All-American. He plays football. My daughter, she's a sprint captain at Ole Miss. So the adversity has made diamonds. Right now, the adversity is hot. It's uncomfortable. But I use it to motivate others.

But at the same time, it still affects me. That's right. So I can use my time to, I can volunteer at the church and use my time for something good. However, I'm still tired when I get home. Right. So the emotion, I don't know. What could I do to be able to talk about this for the next two days to the next four days?

I have a room full of interviews. They're going to ask me all these things. And I've depended on you for so long. And 14 years later, it seems like it's a reunion of everything. It's a reunion of the Super Bowl. It's a reunion of my help. It's reunion of my brother or brotherhood. Yeah.

And being emotional in front of my brother. So I'm going to need you. I'm with you. And just for the folks that don't know that we've been through a lot together, we went through that experience and many other experiences together as, you know, members of the Seattle Seahawks. And when people ask me about that loss, that play, one of the things that I'm mindful of in my response is that the entire organization went through a grieving process.

Yeah. Yeah. And I think it took us three years to even get close to settling back into something that felt across the organization relatively well. And I think that many of the folks certainly on the field are still working through it. I don't think you're alone. Yeah. But so I think there is a decision to be made. Like, do you want to celebrate the good? Do you want to talk about what's honest and real?

And in this world where there's so much fake and there's so much whatever, I would encourage you. to bring yourself forward in a way. And I have your back. I'm here for you. Da-da-da-da. But bring yourself forward. Like, what else really is there to do? Yeah.

Show that, you know, keep pointing to the rings that you have. Yeah, I don't know if you got to move forward. Yeah. But my thing is, is I could do this all day, all night in private. I could do it all day, all night. Just me and you. Yeah, right. But when I think about tears in my eyes and my eyes

in public, I think about Patriots walking by. I think about the Broncos. I think about we're in football legacy right now. So I think about all the guys I look up to, all my friends from other teams that we just spoke with. So that's what I think about. It's okay to be vulnerable in front of your family and friends, but strangers is kind of hard for me,

especially in a football. There's this narrative that tough guys don't cry? Yeah. I mean, nobody's that tough. Yeah, everybody. Yeah. Everybody's got the ying and the young and the other sides. Like, I'm grateful that you went. This is, what's in plain sight right now is that you have the courage to go down deep, to really feel, to allow that to be part of your system.

And sometimes when it comes out, it's joy and its happiness is a spark that comes out of your eyes like no one's I've ever seen. Like, boom. And then sometimes, same thing happens. And it's like, ooh, tears are coming out. Right. Yeah. Do you think resilience has anything to do with this or is resilience temporary or is resilience your ability to get over a problem in that moment or is resilience your ability to never have

that feeling again? Yeah. No, no, no, no, definitely not to never have the feeling again. Yeah. Resilience is this idea when I get knocked back that I can figure out my way to keep moving forward. That's you. You're like the epitome of resilience. Yeah.

You know, like broken heart from that, from, you know, broken neck. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you point to your children, you know, like that is resilience. Yeah. And so, yeah, people say they want to be resilient, but to be, to develop resilience, you have to go through hard things.

For sure. We don't want it. But we don't want to go earn it. Yep. Yeah. And so you've earned the right to say, I can do hard things. Man, man. And people listening, it is, it's not fun, but it's rewarding.

You probably feel, sorry, you probably feel right now free. I do. I feel so much better. I feel like just after like kind of letting tears out, I just, I can smile, I can laugh. Like the entire time when I was talking to you, I was holding back trying to stop from crying the entire time. So every word that I was thinking about, it was coming out was going to have trembles in it and a lot of emotions in it. And I guess it showed on TV that getting the emotions out is normal and it also helps. It is part of the process and we're all on it in different paths.

And I cut you off because I just wanted to highlight that piece. Do you remember what I cut you off from? No, but I can tell you some of the second hardest day. We were speaking on resilience. The reason I was talking about that was the day I broke my neck. And after we lost the Super Bowl, we came back. We went to Hawaii and we talked about it. Russ, a couple of us was on the top of a hill, a mountain actually in Hawaii.

And if you can imagine all of the Seahawks, special teams, offense, defense on the top of a mountain in Hawaii, so high, we can't see down to the bottom because of the clouds. And we're interlocked hands and we're just talking of anything you want to get off your chest. So we got over all of that. We talked about it. That felt good. All the guys cried, yelled and screamed. At that point for us to throw off the emotion.

and the memories of that game. We were supposed to throw it off the mountain that day and finish the season. And we were close to finish in the season when I broke my neck against the Cowboys. That was actually my daughter's birthday. November 1st, 2016, I never forget it. And I was laying on the field

looking up at the scoreboard. And I couldn't feel my hands. I couldn't move my legs. I couldn't feel anything. I could tears start to roll down my eyes in because I thought I was going to die. and I ask God on Cowboys Field to please allow me to get up and walk again so that I can hold my children so that I could throw the ball with my kids so that I can hug my mom so that I could make a difference in people's lives. And if he gave me the opportunity to get up, that I would definitely make a difference on a day-to-day basis in everyone's life that I came in contact with.

So that was probably the second hardest day of my life. after losing the Super Bowl and knowing that my career could possibly end like that, not actually getting a chance to get back. So it's a pleasure to be here going through all those things and the depression and all different things, which, you know, you get through it. But I think if we pull it off this Sunday, I think I'll be fine. I think the entire 2014 team will be fine. We'll cry together.

Yeah, we'll be fine. We'll be fine, man. We'll cry together. Happy tears. Yeah, that's right. For sure, for sure. I want to celebrate one thing is that my son's on the sidelines. Okay.

And you and I had a good conversation at some point during the week. And I was telling you that my son likes to dig for worms. He was like six years old or something. And you came up to me when the team was warming up. And you're like, where's your son? Right. And I said the one's sitting down on the sidelines. You ran over to him like a giant.

Okay. cleats on pads on helmet on you and he looked up at you and he thought that his dad talked about him and you made it the heroes you know that you are for so many kids you made it special for him yeah so much so that you deepened my relationship with my son in a way that i could never thank you for it like for sure for sure i think and i think that's what it takes not that i was doing that on purpose it was That's actually my love and appreciation for you. So anyone connected to you gets that same appreciation. So if you tell me your son is there, then boom, I'm going to treat him like my brother,

like my son, like my family member, you know? That's your wife and she needs a park. Then I move my car and she parks. That's how it works. So, you know, men, you know, those type of men. That's who we are. So, yeah, seeing him, I think as far as kids, your dad tell you, this is how you. This is how you brush your hair.

This is how you brush your teeth. This is how you're supposed to tie your shoes. So it's like, oh, Dad tells me this. He tells me all these different things. But sometimes kids need to hear it from someone else. That's right. And once they hear, they're like, wow, maybe Dad was right. Dad does talk about me.

Wow, this is so cool. It was a moment now. Yeah, I love the opportunity to do that. And I think if everyone had an opportunity to do that for someone else, I think the world would be a better place. If everyone thought about what good could I do for anyone. At any time, if you had that outcome, instead of thinking, what could I be? What could I become?

You can get more with, you can get further in life with five good people than you could by yourself. Full stop. Yeah. So let's get back to building the community. Let's get back to in person talking. Social media is more like, oh, send me an email, send me a message, or I liked your picture, I saw your video, or this, this and that. But we don't typically, you know, see each other in person in 2026.

So we got to get back to the basics communications. Yeah, that's right. Basic love. And we need modern leaders. Modern leaders show us how to work with emotions. Yeah. Thank you for being a modern leader today. And thank you for being a modern leader in so many ways.

For sure. Like you are doing that. This show is called The Game Inside the Games. You just unpacked the real game inside the games, which is the emotions. Yeah. Of getting up on the edge. Yeah. Can you go back to that play right before the play.

Okay. was called. Before the play's call, so Jermaine, he, uh, he bibles an amazing catch and ends up coming down with it. And then I want to say it was first down, uh, maybe 40 something seconds though. And, uh, people always say, um, okay, like here we go, you know, how's it's going to go? So now we're waiting, boom, we're thinking we're going to win the game. Okay, let's, now we're just waiting on the call to come in. So then the call comes in, Russ looks at me and we go stack, we go double stack something, something. I can't remember

to play, but I knew what it was. And then it was like reverse, it was like double stack opposite. So that means that the person in the front goes in the back. The person in the back goes in the front opposite, right? So that tells me that, hmm, I'm not blocking this time. I'm about to catch

the ball. And this is the Super Bowl. And it's extreme emotions, but I had to calm myself. I had to calm myself at a time. So that emotion, That moment was excitement or what was that? What was that emotion? Was it overwhelmed?

Was it like... It's more like it's ready. It's not overwhelmed. I would say it's probably like I could imagine Sealed Team 6 getting the call saying, hey, tonight is tonight. And then boom and packing their bags, loading up. It's kind of that. So it's like kind of strict, you know, getting my gloves, tightening my gloves,

listening to the play, being brief before I go out to my mark. And then once I went out, I had no doubt that we were going to get it done. Yeah, that was a pretty tough day, man. I was leaving the huddle thinking I'm either going to be a Super Bowl MVP or this could possibly be horrible. Oh, you had the awareness of what you were on the danger line, if you will. Yeah, I always know. Yeah. So when you know your number is called, you know you're either going to fulfill your obligation or they're going to look at you as if we call the wrong person or the wrong plate.

Yeah, right. So it's either good or bad. And for me, I understood that, you know, so. Were you in the same team with Brandon? Browner? Browner? Yeah. Yeah, we're all on that same year. Brandon Browner was the one that knew to play.

And I blame him because he probably told him. A hundred percent. Yeah, yeah. He knew exactly. Because we never showed that program. No, we've only ran it one time. Well, only one time. I don't think people recognize how it's significant of a fact this is.

Right, yeah. One play. We ran that one time. And it may have been like preseason or it may be like early. It wasn't even significant game. But yeah, it wasn't even a significant game. Yeah, right. It was just.

But the one person that had seen it and practiced it a lot that defended it in practice a lot. Yeah. Was it just happened to be across from you. Directly in front of him. Well, he was in front of Jermaine. Here's Jermaine. Yeah, yeah, right. Yeah.

So. But he told the young kid. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, this is where you got to go crash around. He told you, man. He said, drive hard. I'm going to drive.

I'm going to drive on Jermaine. You drive right off my back. Because most of the time, and that they're playing catch. So you got two receivers stack. Right. So one here. There's one there. So you just wait, who's coming out.

First guy jams him and the second guy takes it over. But this time, they didn't wait for us to come out. They came down. They came down. They came down. Yeah. Yeah, I know. Yeah.

So, yeah, man, sometimes. Sometimes. I'm sure Coach Carroll had a hard time. Did you ever speak with him about how? A lot. Yeah, a lot. Like, how did he get over it? Like, what are some tools?

What are some things? He had more games. I didn't have any more games. You had no more. No, you had more games. We had the season and ended with breaking my neck. Yeah, but the next season, you have. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, it's not so much more games. It is like working with the emotion, naming it, feeling it, naming it, feeling it, letting it move. Name it, feel it, let it move. Name it feel it, let it move longer. Name it feel, let it move even longer. And at some point, like when you get enough reps at anything, you're like, oh, I'm

familiar with this. Right, right. And so, you know, for me, I think about a little bit like it's a dragon. and I need to get to know that dragon, but that dragon also scares me. Right. Because that thing's got tails and nails and like, that dragon scares, but I got to get to know it. For sure. And so, like, exercise with the dragon type of thing is the way I feel about the things that are painful for me that I'm working through.

Right. And so the difference about your life and my life and these moments of pain is both of these were extremely public. Yeah. Yeah. Both. Yeah. Yeah. And so, yeah, man, there's no magical. Yeah, so you have to get over it. And the tough part about public situations is that when you, in the grocery store, people tell you about it.

When you're in the airport. Callously? Yeah. Well, yeah, however they feel, it depends on their personality. People are people. So on the plane, I had to talk about it. I end up sitting next to a patriot, a diehard patriot fan. And they don't really understand you.

they just want to say something. Yeah. And people think that sometimes they think tears are weakness. But it's not weak. It's not my weakness. It's me feeling sad for what I did. It doesn't mean that, oh, he's crying so I can kind of laugh at him and kind of poke the bear. Yeah, right.

No, no, no, no, no. Still a warrior. But I'm just, I'm just, I heard that in your voice. Right, right, right. Don't get that confused. So it's like the guys, like, they could, like, say about, And what made me say that, I was talking to him and I could see in his eyes, happiness in my pain. And that frustrated me.

It didn't make me sad. It didn't make me one. Like me and you, like, we have a relationship. And it's like, you know, it's like giving your brother a hug and you just break down. Yeah, a traumatic situation. But him, he's a total stranger. And, yeah, two totally different reactions. I just start watching my movie.

Yeah. Yeah. It's not that. This is not that. No, man. Oh, my God. It's like, oh, yeah. So that must have really sucked, huh?

Yeah, right. It's like, what are you saying to me? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. My goodness. How am I supposed to answer this? Yeah, so I appreciate you. Oh, ditto. Like, you taught me a lot.

You helped my son, you know, like the whole thing. And it doesn't end because time. Nope. You keep working it through. We get better every day. 100%. Yeah. I got to catch up with the guys at the championship.

game and you were not there? I got there late. You did come? Yeah, yeah. I was in town. Yeah, I was there. But so one of my friends... Oh, wait, you were at the dinner the night before

with the boys. Okay. Yeah. So one of my friends couldn't come in the booth, so I didn't want to leave them in the stands by themselves. I didn't get to see you, so I was asking about you. Yeah. No, it'd have been good.

It would have been good. All right, so you're removed from it from 14 years. You've had the highs of the high. the lows of the lows. This is the game inside the games. If you could speak truth to some of the young guys playing the game, the Super Bowl, if you could speak some truth into them right now, what would you want them to hear from you? What would you want them to understand?

And this is a moment for folks that have never gotten near pro sport to be like, how does somebody like Ricardo Lockett think about approaching the Super Bowl? So approaching the Super Bowl, you're approaching as if it's a regular game. You have to make everything as normal as possible. When we were there, we had a schedule. I knew exactly what we were going to do at this time and that time and that time and that time. So no matter who we played on Sunday, every day was the same because we have a game around this time. We have practice around this time.

We have film around this time. So everything that you did to get you here, don't change one thing. Don't say, oh, it's a Super Bowl. Now I have to do this. Oh, now I should do this because this is a bigger game. Everything that you've done is more than enough to win. the game. And the team that would be the most successful is the one that settles in earliest. Because neither one of the teams are, you know, are lacking much. So both are professionals,

both have professional coaches, both have professional trainers. So what you're going to have to do is who's going to make the most mistakes. That's what's going to come down to. It's going to come down to game of perfection in inches. So the sooner you can settle in, calm your mind, relax your mind, reset, each breath, excuse me, each play reset. Each play reset. Before you know it, it'll be fourth quarter and you'll be up by 30. Coming straight from somebody who lived it. For sure.

For sure. Simple as that. And I think that kept us in the game and got us back in the game. And I think due to the Patriots good research and Brandon Browner's memory, they just made a great play at the end of the game. Yeah. But, you know, I think we, I don't think about it. Oh, you played a horrible game.

You know, this is a special game. You got to be extraordinary to be on the field at that moment and be that tight of a game. Like, both teams were extraordinary. For sure. Yeah, I love it. I wish you had a chance to kind of run that cross one more time. I wish I could. Yeah.

Everyone involved wish we could do it again. 100%. Yeah, yeah, no doubt. Yeah. And coach told me, he said if we had a chance to do it again, I'll do it again. I'll call the same play. Yeah, I mean, you're a big body. Yeah.

You're a physical force to be able to do that. Yeah. Yeah, that's cool for coach. Yeah. Yeah. Listen, ma'am, who knows why we go through the experiences we go through, but your presence and your kindness and your honesty are all the marks of modern leadership. And I'm stoked to see you.

Yeah, man. Yeah. We have a special bond. It's just a beginning. We're going to have this bond for the rest of our lives. And we're going to continue to get better and better for the rest of our lives. So we're going to continue to meet at extraordinary meeting events and galaas and conferences. and this is and that. Who knows?

Who knows? Let's find some extraordinary moments as well. All right, Ricardo. I love it. I love you, man. I love you too, man. It's a pleasure, Mike. Yeah, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We wouldn't be a Seahawk. There wouldn't be a Super Bowl team without Mike. I can promise you that you can ask Pete Carroll,

you can ask Marcheon, you can ask Doug Baldwin, you can ask Russell Wilson, for sure. You can ask Tavart, oh, rest and peace, Tavarz Jackson. Yeah. A lot of, yeah. So Mike was the brain behind the Seahawks. He was the confidence behind L-O-B. He was the motivation behind Ricardo Lockett.

And I'm thankful to be here to speak with him. And he's probably the only person in here that could probably get that emotion that you saw to me earlier. But don't ever forget, always the Seahawk, always rock it. Go Hawks. Yeah, baby.

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