Fine Dining - Ch**seburger in Paradise (Part One: Eat Deets) feat. Mom

Episode Date: February 21, 2024

Lots of censored words in this one... Michael's Mom is back and joins him this week to eat at the historic Ch**seburger in Paradise restaurant in Honolulu, Hawaii! "Fine" Dining is now on video! Head on over to our YouTube to watch this episode! Mom brought leis because being festive is important Hawaiian Santa Claus! These Eat Deets get spicy as Jimmy Buffett wasn't necessarily fond of the founders stealing the name from one of his most famous songs Some people have had their ashes spread at this restaurant with an ocean view A Yelper falls in love with their server in Yelp from Strangers The full review comes next week!   Music by: James McEnelly (@Ramshackle_Music) Theme Song by: Kyle Schieffer (@JazzyJellyfish) Segment Transitions Voiced by: Sandy Rose "Fine" Dining is on Patreon! Get an extra episode every month (January's episode was a countdown of all the restaurants on the Tchotchke of Mediocrity that are outside the 4.00-6.00 Zone of Mediocrity, starting with the least mediocre and working towards center), extended Yelp from Strangers segments every other week, merch discounts, download access to our music including the 7 singles from our Olive Garden musical, and more! Patreon Producers: Sean Spademan, Joyce Van, & Sue Ornelas   Get the 5 Survival Tips for Casual Dining at www.finediningpodcast.com!   Send in your Ch**seburger in Paradise stories at [e-mail].   Follow the show on TikTok and Instagram @finediningpodcast   Let me know where I should go next by leaving us a review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, PodcastAddict, Overcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. I read every one!   Next week on "Fine" Dining: Ch**seburger in Paradise (Part Two: Review)! Mom and I have a really wild occurrence from one of the bussers at the restaurant, and the food isn't great... Ever work at Ch**seburger in Paradise? Send your stories to [e-mail].

From this point forward, the word cheese will be bleeped because Michael finds it offensive. Hello and welcome back to the Fine Dining Podcast, the search for the most mediocre restaurant in America. I'm your host, Michael Ornelas. This is the show where I'm looking for the most mediocre restaurant, that perfect 5.00 out of 10. Because people say something's good, something's bad. I need to know based on what, against what, you know, where does it become good? Where does it become bad? There's a, there's a bar there, mom. There's a switch over point.

I am joined by my own mother this week. Hello, mother. So glad to be back, Michael. And we are doing this in your game room. I am on the road. I am home for the holidays. I know this is going to come out quite a bit later. So we went to Hawaii.

Can proud mama take a minute here? Michael trained all year to run his first marathon. First and last marathon. First marathon. And what a better place than to go to Hawaii in December. What's funny is the entire reason that I picked it, if you listen to, I think it's the Papadeau episode, a year ago, I set some New Year's resolutions. The other one was to get a six-pack and that didn't happen. Well, there's always next year.

Now we're two months into this year. Yeah. Yeah. But I wanted to run the I wanted to set a goal to run a marathon just as a I'm getting older. Can I? I saw the little medals that you get. And I'm like, I want one of those. I'll take a picture and put it up here. We are on YouTube. If you feel like watching this, it's very much a makeshift set right now. We're just in your game room.

But we're on a little bit of a high returning from Hawaii, having a great time. Yeah. So I wanted to do a chain restaurant while I was there. And thanks to Vivi in my last episode, she had the same idea. So she actually looked up a restaurant that you can only find in Waikiki. We went to Cheeseburger in Paradise, which used to be a chain, and now we're down to one. But this is another restaurant based off of Jimmy Buffett's music. And Cheeseburger in Paradise is historic. I am so excited we got to travel to Hawaii to review a restaurant, Michael. We'll get to it. But in the meantime, our table is ready or it's not ready. I don't really know. Your table is ready. Follow me. Have you tried our chicken breast?

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to try and solve it. Because cooking for the people you love should inspire joy without a side of stress. Make sure you're following Dinner SOS wherever you're listening now. First impressions. What are you doing? Did you get Hawaiian lace for us to wear right now? I did. I'm trying to recreate our aloha spirit, if you will.

Okay. So here we go. Putting on some lace. Great. Okay. Okay. Okay. So our first impressions of Cheeseburger in Paradise.

Now, for those of you listening, it's very unfortunate. First impressions of cheeseburger in paradise. Now, for those of you listening, it's very unfortunate. This place has cheese in the name. I don't like cheese. I have a disdain for cheese. So every time you hear the word cheese, it is bleeped. It is a no fly zone for cheese on the fine dining podcast. Luckily, I love cheese. So I can fill in the gaps for this episode today, Michael.

Yeah. But like literally every time I say the name, it's Bleatburger in Paradise. Yeah. So there was like a Hawaiian music hall of fame or walk of fame, basically, along the street right next to this burger in Paradise. And it started there so there were little placards with qr codes and you could learn about different personalities in it and i went to the starting point which is right at the front of burger in paradise i scan it and i saw something i've never seen before it said qr code exceeded So I guess too many people scanned it and they didn't pay for it. I didn't even know that could possibly be a thing that you have to pay for the number of scans people can make for you. But yeah, too many people had scanned that sign. I don't know if it's

a monthly thing or just that sign that they clearly spent time and money to put together this plaque with this QR code. Interesting. I wonder if it's just done. Well, I kind of think that's your generation, probably not scanned as much from mine because I happened to miss that, although I did see you over there trying to figure it out. Well, yeah, because it said it was exceeded. I was like, how do I read about what this walk of fame even is? And then there were a few more for like individuals that were in that Hall of Fame and those QR codes were working. So I'm guessing a bunch of people just gave up when they saw the first one didn't work and wouldn't move on because the second, third and fourth one all did work.

OK. There was a tropical Santa Claus out front, like an automated. Very vintage Santa. But very Hawaiian. Oh, yeah, for sure. He was drinking out of coconut with a straw coming out of it. And so realistic. I actually had to look at his feet to see if it wasn't a real Santa.

But even then, pretty realistic. But even then, he's wearing like he has actual they didn't give up at the bottom of this Santa mannequin. He's in a Hawaiian shirt and he's got like the the beaded Christmas lights around his neck and he's got sunblock on his nose. It's very honestly, it's a very good. It was animatronic. That's the word.

But then he's on like a dolly. Yeah. So that gave it away. Yeah. Instead of a surfboard. But but yeah, I mean, outside, very tropical. You walk in. There's kind of like a sports bar feel almost like a tropical sports bar.

There are a lot of TVs. I think at one point I counted the TVs. So it's definitely a place you can sit and watch your favorite game and the surfers at the same time. Open air, lots of bamboo and texturing. I think, Michael, that's called clapboard that the exterior is made of, which was very historic. I think the original location was in a very historic Lahaina and all of the buildings were made of that. So I think that's where that came from. So if you look in Waikiki, you don't see a whole lot of clapboard buildings. Gotcha. One thing I did notice is that on the door or like the pillar right next to the entranceway,

it said we're going to be closing early and closed all day the next day for an employee Christmas party. Oh, that's nice. previewing a little bit too much, the atmosphere and the service that we got. So I'll save that for part two. In the meantime, Mom, you kept using the word historic. Do you want to learn the history of the Cheeseburger in Paradise restaurant franchise? I would love to. Oh, you would love to.

I would. Well, I have prepared some eat deets. Eat deets now mom as we both know my mom listens to every episode of the podcast and is never satisfied with the sound effects used. I have Eat Deep's The Era of Easy Listening. It's like soft jazz. Is that OK with you? I love it, Michael.

Do you? Are you going to come back to me in like two weeks and be like, you know what? That sounds abrasive. Change it again. We'll see. For now, I can play it. For now. For now.

change it again we'll see for now i can play it though for now founded in lahaina on the northwest coast of maui in 1989 by lauren lauren la but there's no you lauren gartner and edna bailiff of course it's named after the Jimmy Buffett tune. Makes sense. Thanks, Mom. I'm still warming up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Eat Deets. Before breaking into the cheeseburger business, Gartner and Bailiff were picture framers who sold their work at flea markets in Orange County for 11 years. In 1986, they vacationed in Lahaina and found themselves hankering for a gooey five-napkin cheeseburger. That is the impression most people

had of cheeseburger in paradise. I feel like it's the expectation people had. Okay. Yeah. I don't know if I'd say they delivered. Again, we had an employee party that day. Is that right? Sure. And that includes the chefs. Most definitely included the chefs. Yeah. Six months later, they went to work.

Despite having zero experience in the restaurant industry, the founders were determined. They bought a book on business plans. Is that like business for dummies? Business for dummies. Burger restaurant for dummies. Sold their house in framing business, ran up their credit cards, borrowed half a million dollars from family and friends, and flew back to Hawaii. And you said they had a framing shop. Yeah. Okay. Well,

that's kind of interesting. And this was in Lahaina. Is that right, Michael? The original one? Yes. Yeah. Lahaina, as I knew it, is full of photography shops. Makes sense. You're in one of the most scenic places in the world. So at least in the country. So I could see maybe that initial draw for them. And also, if you're making framing, it means that you probably have some skills with woodworking, which I think goes to the decor, because this did feel like a studio set. Like, you know, I'm in Hollywood and I occasionally see film sets and stuff. And this definitely looked like a set piece. The way that the details that, like you mentioned, the bamboo fans were the Reed fans. Yeah, yeah, details. Like you mentioned, the bamboo, the fans were the Reed fans. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So.

The concept was simple and catered to tourists like themselves. Cheeseburgers, which Gartner and Bailiff claimed are more fun than hamburgers. Go cheese! I wholeheartedly disagree. And I feel like they are. They are not respecting people who don't like they should just call it burger in paradise. You know, Michael, I can't believe we're related based on. Y'all heard it here first. I'm being kind of disowned by my mom. You're not my son.

Being kind of disowned by my mom. You're not my son. This is amazing. All kinds of. And I don't know. I just. Gross. Anyways, burgers, Mai Tais and rock and roll was the guiding principles of this place.

The feel. Eat Deets. The slogan is Aloha spoken here. I had always thought Aloha was just hello and goodbye. And then this is my third time to Hawaii. And this is the first time where I've heard the term like the Alooha spirit and like capture the essence of aloha. Aloha is the all encompassing word in Hawaii, which I honestly think just means we're relaxed and not too concerned with your service. We're a little laid back. Yeah. As you might guess, the name got them in trouble with Jimmy Buffett.

In 1997, the singer sued the founders for illegally using the name of his song. This came eight years after the original location was founded, but seems to be sparked by Gartner and Bailiff's plans to expand to Southern California. So now they're encroaching on, you know, they're not just the mainland turf. Yeah, they're not way out there. Out of sight, out of mind. No, it's like, oh, now you're coming on my corner. You're moving towards Florida. I think Jimmy Buffett's home was Florida. Yeah. Yeah. And Southern California, you know, it's getting close. Closer to Florida than Hawaii. The case wasn't as clear cut as it might sound.

Back in 1993, the U.S. trademark office granted Gartner and Bailiff permission to use the title. So they trademarked it. So they were legal. Well, because I think it's you can trademark for specific purposes. So if you do it for food and beverage or restaurant or whatever, it's different than song, even merchandise. They probably would have had conflicting cases when it comes to selling T-shirts. I was going to say merchandise for sure. Yeah, because the restaurant might want to sell some and Jimmy Buffett might want to sell some and they would both be in conflicting positions for that. Eat deets.

Buffett wasn't deterred saying, yeah, you can jump somebody on a copyright, but it still doesn't make it right. Right. I mean, I do. It is very clear that they were coattail writing when they named their place. Oh, for sure. That said, it is a natural title to arrive at. I'm opening a burger place in Hawaii. Right. What do I want to call it? Right. With some of the most amazing sunsets in the world, I might add from that location. So, you know, Burger in Paradise. It makes a

lot of sense to name it that even if you didn't know, not that they didn't, but not even if you didn't know that it was a Jimmy Buffett song. Right. It makes sense. Yeah. He also claims that he met with the founders in 1992 and told them that as long as they stayed in Hawaii, he wouldn't bother them, but he would resist any expansion. they stayed in Hawaii, he wouldn't bother them, but he would resist any expansion. The founders tell a different story, claiming he never mentioned anything of the sort. OK.

The dispute got bitter. Buffett says the founders bend the rules. He had his friend go into the restaurant undercover. Did he have like a Hawaiian shirt? I'm sure. Big fake beard as though without a beard, they'd be like, hey, you're Jimmy Buffett's friend. Get out of here. Yeah.

And asked them if Jimmy Buffett owned a piece of the place. Supposedly, they said Buffett was a silent partner. He's not. They're trying to coast on the Buffett name. Yeah. So now you're taking the title and coast on the Buffett name. Yeah. So now you're taking the title and you're implying his involvement. Exactly.

A little shady. Yeah. Eat deets. In the end, after a four-year trademark dispute, the founders were granted permission to call their first two locations Cheeseburger and Paradise. But they were prevented from using the name for any future locations okay is that how you understood it as well because we knew of the hawaii locations right so there are other locations um example they later opened a spot in nevada called burger in re. Oh, OK. So they're taking that and manipulating it a little bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Which that location seems to be closed now. The history is especially confusing because Buffett himself actually owned a fast casual chain also called Burger in Paradise from 2002 to 2020. It's now defunct. But to be clear, the restaurants are not affiliated.

Oh, that would be confusing. Yeah. Years later, Gartner said about the suit, Are there hard feelings? Let's see. I've doubled the business and I'm close to tripling it since the settlement of the lawsuit. Nah, I don't have any hard feelings. Well, they say there's no such thing as bad press. Is that?

Yeah, but it's like you piggybacked off of Jimmy Buffett. Oh, for sure. If Jimmy Buffett isn't OK with that, you're not allowed to be mad at him. You know what you did. Eat deets. She noted the suit forced her to consider her brand and see the value of what was right in front of her. The cheeseburger, not the paradise. Nowadays, the parent company is called Cheeseburgers Inc.

OK. Which, honestly, I'm very surprised that the rights to that were available. Seriously. Yeah. The Lahaina location became a two-story bungalow, but originally the restaurant only occupied the top floor with seating for 66, and featured a space for live music with performances every night. There's not many places that you can get live music every night. I wonder if they had Jimmy Buffett cover band. Because that's kind of the expectation, like because when I went to Margaritaville,

it was like 95 percent Jimmy Buffett music being piped in. Yeah. And I always thought that this restaurant, until I looked into it for this episode, I thought that it was correlated with Jimmy Buffett. So, Michael, I did until we until I started reading. Yeah. Yeah. The theming is the quintessential tourist's idea of Hawaii. The servers, including the men, wear Hawaiian shirts and grass skirts over shorts. There's bamboo and ukuleles on the wall.

And they have a cheeseburger challenge. If you can finish a burger with three patties, all the fixins, bacon, fried egg, kalua pork, jalapenos, and an onion ring, plus a mound of cheese fries in under 20 minutes, it's on the house. Otherwise, it's $35. Apparently, it's popular for couples to get one to share. That doesn't sound like an eating challenge to share it with someone. It doesn't. And there's nothing that sounds appealing about just pounding your food and, you know, being able to taste it. Maybe. I don't know.

Are you in a rush? If you're in a rush and you want free food, something like this might be good. Someone else is waiting on the sunset table. That's true. Yeah. So they'll put you right by them. Meanwhile, someone else is like, oh, I gotta go. Eat Deets.

According to Lauren, one of their secrets to their success is customer care. Debatable, but we'll chat later. We'll get to that. She claims that MasterCard and Visa analyzed their sales and found an inordinately high number of return customers. So high, in fact, that they thought there was some kind of mistake at first. The Yelp reviews, which we'll get to in a bit, the overall score was higher than I expected it to be. I mean, it's still not like crazy high, but I think it had like a 3.6.

It had like a few thousand reviews. Well, I just think it's a quintessential party atmosphere. Yeah. And when you're in Hawaii, you're chilling. You've got your Hawaiian shirt on. It's got great real atmosphere. Yeah. And when you're in Hawaii, you're chilling. You've got your Hawaiian shirt on. It's got great real estate. Yeah. Yeah.

It's very inviting. But then once you're in, to me, it didn't feel like an experience that's inviting me back. Yeah. It didn't quite deliver as much as I had hoped.

Yeah. But the cult status of Jeevesburg and Paradise is real. Apparently, dozens of fans have had their ashes scattered outside the restaurant. Wow. A vial containing the ashes of a loyal customer named Paul is mounted on a wall. The founders said they won't be doing that again. Everyone has a place that's close to their heart. But like, is this OK? Again, everyone has a place that's close to their heart. But like, is this OK?

But I'm kind of wondering with that whole Jimmy Buffett affiliation, how many of those return customers think that think that they are supporting Jimmy Buffett? Yeah. Also, like there's so many pretty places in Hawaii and you want your ashes eternally at Burger in Paradise? Well, it could be the party atmosphere that they're looking for in there forever. Yeah. Their original location moved around 18,000 Chicks Burgers per month. In total, their sales were around $27 million per year. That's a lot of burgers,

a lot of meat, a lot of tons of and in $35 increments, you can get it for free if you just pound it as quick as you can. Some servers reportedly clocked in over $100,000 in tips per year. That's amazing. Because you're in a place where it's tourists almost exclusively. Right. And it's a place that's not cheap to go to. It's not. So it's tourists that have a little bit of, you know, disposable income.

Yeah. So. Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't sound like the worst gig. Eat Deets. So, yeah, yeah, it doesn't sound like the worst gig. Eat deets.

In August 2023, the original Lahaina location burned to the ground after Hurricane Dora and a wildfire swept through the town. That is devastating. I mean, just the entire fire to Lahaina was. Yeah, not just in particular, Jaysburg or in Paradise. Just Lahaina is one of the most amazing Hawaii experiences. And you were a travel agent for years and years. And wasn't Lahaina like your go-to send people away there spot? Back in the early 80s,

I was, I guess, considered the Hawaii specialist, in particular Maui. Bringing the Hawaii hit squad. It's just Sue. Just, yeah. Sent so many honeymooners and families to Maui. And it was like a piece of home. I had probably been to Maui over time, a dozen times. Oh, really?

You've gone that much? I have. Not even just sending people there? No, I have. Wild. Now, it doesn't look like they're rebuilding. There are questions about soil toxicity from the fire and a lengthy cleanup slash beach restoration process. The founders have decided to leave Lahaina, and Gartner says she doubts the city will allow anyone to build on the beach again. Yeah. So. It's heartbreaking.

But I think Lahaina will forever live in so many people's memories and in our hearts and feel for the people that went through that. Anyways, on that unfortunate note, that'll do it for this week's Eat Deets. Anyways, on that unfortunate note, that'll do it for this week's Eat Deets. Before I continue any further, I want to thank all of my new listeners from SF Sketch Fest. Thanks to everyone who signed up for my mailing list and entered the giveaway. I'm going to announce the winner right now. And if it's you, go ahead and email me, finddiningpodcast at gmail.com to claim your prize. And the winner is Jackie Dunn. Jackie Dunn, if you're listening, go on over, email me, we'll chat.

And yeah, thanks everyone else for entering. On with the episode. Okay, we've learned about the history of Cheeseburger in Paradise. Now we need to go to Yelp. Before we can give our review, we need to know what other people are saying about Cheeseburger in Paradise in this week's Yelp from Strangers. A one-star, two-star, three-star, four-by-yive. So get a little Yelp. A little Yelp. A little Yelp from Strangers.

A little Yelp. A little Yelp. Give us those complaints while you literally white and die. Yelp! All right, this is Yelp from Strangers, our segment where we go to Yelp and read out our favorite 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5-star Yelp reviews of the very restaurant at which we dined at. Mom, do you mind if I start us off? You go right ahead. 5-star review.

I'm going to go in with a 5-star review. This is from Nora R. from Tehachapi, California. I don't, Tehachapi. On mic, go ahead and just say that to the best of your ability. Tehachapi. Okay, yeah. She has one Yelp friend, 42 Yelp reviews. This is from May 10th, 2022.

Five stars. This place may have three and a half stars on Yelp, but it has 1,000 stars in my heart. To be honest, I walked in here expecting the bare minimum. I was turned away from two previous restaurants due to max capacity and reservation requirements, and due to my hangry nature, just strolled into Cheeseburger in Paradise expecting a cheesy tourist trap. But all that changed when I was seated. My waitress, my incredible waitress, Wenna. Wow. She was amazing. Recommended the best dishes, the wings, the coconut shrimp, the fish tacos, her favorite drinks. We all enjoyed ourselves thanks to her. Her sass, her winks. She was everything and more. The bar is raised. The treatment she gave me was 1,000 stars. Her quickness, quirkiness, and more was more than enough to come back. I will think about

her for years to come. I would leave this woman in my will. Wow. She's a big fan of Wenna. I'd like to meet her. She's not who we have. No. I will name my next child after her.

And you can bet you're behind on it that I tipped her well over 20%. And you should, too. Give peace a chance and give this place one, too. Ask for Wena. I give this place more stars than the night sky. All because of Wena. So my only question for you is, when it gonna come?

When it gonna come? What's interesting to me, so on Yelp, you can vote if you think a review is useful, funny, or cool. And for as much as they were trying for funny, no one has selected funny on this one. But both the other two have. Okay. So how believable was that? I think it was written by Winna. Winna from California. So, wow.

Four-star review. This is a four-star review from HoHoHoBee from Aiea, Hawaii, from November 1st of 2023. Pretty recent. Went at around 7 p.m. on Halloween. They were banging busy. Wait for two people was less than 10 minutes, though. We sat at a table in the bar area so we could see the action. What action? The bar area doesn't face the ocean.

Like, that's the thing you want the view of. What action? Like, they just want to see the bartender making drinks, I guess. I think at a place like Cheeseburger in Paradise that the bartender probably does a lot of fun. Oh, like showmanship? Showmanship. You're speculating, though.

You don't know. I am, because we did not see that. No. But maybe that's what we're talking about here. The action, sure. The pina coladas, whatever. I'll give it to them. That place runs like a well-oiled machine. Everyone knew their job and did it well.

Not the experience we had. No. There was an older man bussing tables, and he was bussing ass, too. He was on top of clearing. Mom, can you look directly into the camera and read that sentence again? There was an older man busing tables and he was busing ass too. Does that work for you? He was on top of clearing every table as soon as it was vacated. Impressive. Our server, Nestor, was great. He kept our water filled. That's important. Took our order pretty quickly and explained menu clearly. Food came out

fast. Considering how busy they were, even the food runner was a pleasant woman. Remember that. Burgers were good. Bun was soft. Onion rings crispy. Yes, I'd go back to eat. Takeaway. Employees are all well trained, good at what they do, what they do from hostesses to servers, cooks, food runners, and especially the busser. Food is well done.

Bravo. Cheeseburger in paradise. You can go download our full Yelp from Strangers segment at our Patreon. Bravo, cheese many of them. Thanks. OK, mom, we have covered the history. We've talked about our first impressions. We've even read some Yelp reviews about Burger in Paradise. You and I went to this restaurant. It is time to give the people what they want. It is time to tell them our review of Burger in Paradise. And all you have to do is wait one week for part two of this episode.

We'll be back. Thanks so much for listening. Mom, is there any are there any projects you want to plug any social media accounts you want people to go follow you? No, actually, expressly. Don't follow my mom on social media. Don't find her. I will not give you her handles.

Great. Well, we'll be back next week. In the meantime, we'll just be here waiting on our table. Have a fine day. Waiting on our table, waiting on our table. The step is done and we had some fun.

Now we're waiting on our table, waiting on our table The step is done and we had some fun Now we're waiting on our table, waiting on our table Join us next time we're stuck in line Waiting on our table, waiting on our table We're so hungry, tummy's grumbling Waiting on our table, waiting on our table We gotta continue our search for mediocrity Yeah We gotta continue our search for mediocrity Yeah

Waiting on our table, waiting on our table We'll be waiting, anticipating it Waiting on our table, waiting on our table Swimming in, next week we're digging in We're waiting on our table, waiting on our table We've got an appetite for just a type of We'll see you next week. Have a fine day.