First Things First - 49ers beat Eagles, Bears beat Packers, Patriots beat Chargers, Bills beat Jaguars

Episode Date: January 13, 2026

(0:00) Eagles come up short vs. 49ers, Purdy the reason San Francisco won?  (28:16) Patriots beat Chargers, fair to blame Justin Herbert?  (45:15) Bills beat Jaguars, Buffalo put the AFC on notice? (50:41) Bears comeback or Packers collapse, 49ers deserve to beat Eagles? (01:10:12) Blame on Trevor for loss to Bills?  (01:23:02) Texans vs. Steelers preview (01:29:49) Bears pull off comeback, Perspective on Herbert changed? (01:53:42) Bills a threat, Why did the Eagles lose? (02:03:54) He Said, We Said (02:11:28) Can the Steelers upset the Texans?  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Live from New York, it's a show that finally beat a playoff team. My goodness gracious, the Patriots finally played a playoffs. Congrats, KW. It's a monumental moment. Wow, thank you. It's a good win and it's like you'll always remember your first. Playoff win? Drake May's first playoff win.

It's like a real moment. Your first everything. Yeah, that was great. I was legit happy for you. Thanks, Guy. Well, why were you sending sarcastic text? Well, because you needed a little comeuppance and you got it. Drake, Drake May looked like he felt like the game was a little different than normal.

Yeah. He played shaky for a half for him. Shaky for a half. A B, a B minus. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's right. That's about fair. Yeah, that's right.

About fair. Oh, that's all that matters. Congratulations. You're on good. First hour, first things first. Today, things fall apart in Philadelphia. Champs are done. What's the fallout?

Who could have seen that coming? That's your other team. I know, but I kind of saw this. The writing was on the wall since. Let me see, week one against Dallas. Meanwhile, Caleb with yet another amazing comeback. These cheese graders are just fantastic. How long can the Bears magic last all the way to the Super Bowl?

And finally, Patriots win their first non-Bradie playoff game this century. Are we on the doorstep of destiny? I was talking about, you know what, Gianna, can we make a, Do you mind if I just talk to Gianna about different projects? Can we make a doorstep of destiny compilation like Bruce's misdirections? Ooh, that wouldn't be good. That would be great. There we go.

You're back. It's good to have you back. It's good to have you back. We're starting with the former champs. They fall and they are not getting back up. Philly done after, believe it or not, the offense sputters in. Falls. Jalen through for 168 completed fewer 15-yard passes than Joanne Jennings, who does not play quarterback. Great. Nice. Yeah. Four star. I had a borough and Lamar coming

out of high school. Was he? Yes. Yeah. And Sam Darnold. Yeah. Here's Nick Siriani. Take a listen. I felt like that was kind of our story as the year progressed. And, you know, like you said, good first half didn't do a good enough job coaching, going to do a good enough job executing in the second half. Those are things that we always work our off to try to fix any situation and every situation that we can. And you know what? At the end of the day, we didn't do a good enough job of doing that.

And that starts with me. First three drives, I'm like, yeah, Eagles flip the switch. The 49ers defense is very getable. Sequan's back. 182 total yards. Yeah. No puns. 13 points in the first three drives.

The rest of the game, six points. 125 total yards. Weird. Four punts. Nick, are you surprised the Eagles came up short? I do not know how anyone who has watched the NFL all year could be surprised by this.

They might be disappointed. It might be not what you predicted was going to happen, but not like, I am shocked that a team that for four months couldn't score more than 20 points against a playoff team, that for four months had a bad passing game, that for four months was getting the play in late to where the operation was hurried at the line of scrimmage, and for a couple years has had a real problem with their wide receiver one's combustibility would play a playoff game where they don't score 20

points, where they get the plays in late, where they have no continuity to the passing game, and where the wide receiver and the head coach for no reason whatsoever, get into it on the sideline. The Eagles offense, if I may, we're back with banners, but

banners are kind of a Chief's thing, so if I may, a little homage to the previous defending Super Bowl champs. The Eagles offense, failing them again, never a doubt. I don't know how anybody could watch

how the Eagles season came to an end and be surprised that that's how it came to an end. And I think, Brew, that the biggest reason for optimism about the Eagles in this game was more about pessimism about their opponent's defensive ability. It wasn't, I don't think many people thought,

you know what, they're definitively going to flip a switch, playoff mode. It's that maybe they would do that, but even if they didn't do that, the Niners are so banged up and so undermanned that they're not going to be able to slow them down. But as it turns out, no matter how undermanned you are, the guy calling the defense is Bob Salah, and the guy calling the offense is Kev Patullo. And the guy executing it is what was this year. I think a struggling at times, Jalen Hertz and a guy who couldn't fix it on his own, you're going to score 13 to 19 points week in, week out, and you got to hope that's enough. Yeah, they have so many advantages. That's what surprised. Oh, wow.

A Patriots time already. I apologize. I'm sorry. Oh, wow. That is unbelievable. I'm sorry. We don't. No. That's not on the run down. We're not going to allow this. This is...

Patriots coverage coming up in about 15 minutes, okay? Right now, back to the Eagles, gentlemen. Thank you very much. 15 minutes to the Patriots. There's going to be a new Super Bowl champ. Eagles are not going to repeat. Gentlemen, you can play us off again. I apologize.

Do you? They go off on the row. Can you grab the door? Guys, you can take us off? I apologize. We've been interrupting guys. I would think you do. I apologize.

Fifteen minutes. That was true. That was true. I didn't know that was happening. Patriots are back. But right now, we need to, guys, we need to regroup. We need to regroup and talk about the Eagles. We're on the Eagles right now.

I was fully prepared for that to happen as soon as I started talking about the Patriots. I'm sorry. Not the Eagles. Sorry. Back to the Eagles. But the thing, you're right, it's not shocking. But they, I said last week, this would be. this would be a devastating loss.

It was devastating. I agree with that. Because the Niners, just the talent level because of the injuries is so much in the favor of the Eagles. They're at home where they were 5 and 0 under Siriani. And then with George Kittle going down. Yeah. But as you said, it showed that both teams did what they've been doing all year. Yeah.

The Niners executed tremendously, got creative. the coaching staff maximize their players, and they play with heart and guts, made big plays. The Eagles played a half. Now, obviously, they didn't light it up in the first half, but all year long, they have, in their best games,

it's been one really good half and one bad or mediocre half. Starting from day one, the Cowboys, week one, they come out look great in the first half. Second half, Cowboys end up making it a game. The Rams, the Buccaneers, some of their best wins, that was the case. I did think Jalen would play better because he's been so good in big moments. But it also came down to this, Nick.

And this might be the absolute reason they lost this game. Their stars did not make plays. Oh, I knew this was called. And the Niners stars did. Oh, I knew. And A.J. Brown. No, no. I have, he is a great player.

But when you make such a stink about getting the ball, you can't do this. You can't? I think we have video. You can't drop that. Now it's not an awesome pass. It didn't hit him right in the numbers or anything. But when you're one of the best receivers in the league and you talk all the time about wanting the football, you can't drop that. Now, if you don't make noise about it, people.

People will overlook it, but you can't drop that, and that's a big moment. And he had, listen, Bruce. He had a few. Right. That was the worst one. Yeah. The one down the sideline would have been a really good catch, but he, like, he didn't. But that one right there was devastating.

A player of his, not that every player, you always make those, but even you said the tough catches. A player of his, now this one was a little out of reach. A little short, but still catchable. I mean, that's a tough one. He was awful. Yeah. And again, you can't.

This is the one I was. Yeah, this is it. Now, a player as good as him, the best receivers in the league make this catch most of the time. He makes that catch most of the time. Listen, he and I think that one that we're showing right here, this third down. That was about two minutes left. And I think that was the only target he got after he and Siriana yelled at each other. Like that after that happened he was gone from the game from the game and you did that can't have it.

Devonate Smith dropped the pass with 48 seconds left. Devante was a little tough too but again these are but you feel like that is less objectionable because he knew he was going to get stuck and because he's been a great teammate all year. Yes that's why you can over right guys are going to make mistakes it's if if we were on a roll on shows just do it. the thing we do. And I out of nowhere was like, if you don't go to me to start the next show, I'm going to like flip out. And then that would never happen. And then you do and I freeze

up and don't know what to say. And like that it's worse than if you just do it naturally. And I just don't have my nicotine patch on that. Is there anything to the fact that guys were dropping balls all weekend. All weekend guys had drops. But now it feels like agent. It feels like Brown's drops were magnified. Yeah, because Seriani, I don't view it as all A.J. Brown, though. You think Siriani was yelling at him? I just feel like Siriani never got, not controls, not the right. He never was able to put out the brush fires that were always percolating on the team.

Well, and now it got to this magnified moment, and AJ drops one, and then I feel like he gets in his head, and again, one drop can lead to another. I don't know. But in fairness, I put a lot of it on Siriani. And I know that. In the last few weeks, it wasn't really a lot of noise made about that. I mean, we just remember it from obviously last year, but the beginning of this season. And then AJ started putting up numbers even as they were losing, and it kind of went away.

Do you think this was an indictment on Jalen Hertz? I don't think it was an indictment on Jalen Hertz, but this whole season was a step backwards. Depp, I mean, definitely. And so it doesn't mean he can't, you know, it continues. on what was a very odd but Hall of Fame trajectory. But it does mean that some of the man doesn't matter how it looks.

That guy just wins and figures it out. Sheen wears off a bit. Now, the person, but Jalen, to me, had earned a much larger benefit of the doubt than the other main characters involved. I think this is a disaster of a season for Nick Siriani. And I, the, listen,

how, you think, I don't think he's getting fired. I do not think he's getting fired. They need to get a better O.C. And then we'll see. Here, if they did fire him, I would not come on TV and say that's outrageous. And there are eight jobs open. I do not think he would get one of them.

Well, I think he'd be in the run. I think he'd be in the, I, I, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, nervousness about firing your head coach is like, man, you fire John Harbaugh. Five teams You fire Matt LaFleur. Sixth, a team might fire their coach to hire him. That I do not believe would have Nick Siriani.

Where I think Nick Siriani deserves blame is, Kevin Betula was his guy. He needed to make the hard decision and move on from him. And it was never working. It was never working. It didn't work from the get-go. If you weren't going to get your arms around A.J. Brown, then you needed to tell howie Roseman, we need to. trade this guy at the deadline.

They now regret that. I'm certain of it. Well, I think, I think that they should certainly look into trading A.J. this summer. And look, I'm not tripping over the sideline argument. Stuff happens. I mean, I don't think that. I'm serious.

I'm not tripping over. Listen, I didn't trip over. I don't think it's a big deal. It didn't happen this weekend. It happened. You mean with other teams? I'm not saying it happens every game. I just saw a love.

But every time two guys getting an argument. I mean, I can't kill it like that. Andy and, you know, Andy. I mean, come on the sideline. But and but Travis then made big plays and they won. Like sometimes it's, you know, that is what it is. Like I think, I'm surprised you're giving them a pass. I mean, I'm giving Surrey.

I'm just saying I don't automatically know that that is, they hate each other. No, no. Because of that. I mean, that stuff happens. That is not a winning culture, though. You can't show me this. Nick just talked about how it happened with Travis Kelsey. That was a one.

That was a one-off weird thing. Did Tom Brady ever go off on teammates? Yeah, but Bill Belichick is not Nick Sirion. So that's the thing. No, Brady. So I would, I had, I know, but Siriani and your coach, it's just weird leadership. His issue, Brew, is not with the interaction happening.

It's that the head coach initiated it. That part I understand. Now, whether it's true, Siriani said he was telling him get off the field, you know, just because it was a delay a game or time. Watch out. We're going to punt. Get off the field. Here's what we do.

know, though, Kay. Oh, another banner? Listen, defending your title is not for everybody. We just know it. Not everyone's listen.

Some teams, some teams can make defending their title. No. I'm just telling you. No. Listen, I'm sorry. Because the Eagles lost, the Chiefs did not

get any doubt. What do you mean? They need to make the playoffs. No, they do. Hold on a second. They don't know. Who's the only team to go back to back in the last 20 years.

Still the Chiefs? Is that record going to stay intact this year? I'm just curious. I'm just saying some teams win a Super Bowl and then either go back and lose or win the next Super Bowl. Your Patriots, that's who they were. They would win the Super Bowl, go back the next year, win or lose it. That's who they were. But nobody was mistaking the Eagles for the Chiefs or Hertz for Mahomes or Syriani.

Well, maybe you were. I don't know. What's the next banner? I don't have any. That's for San Francisco. CMC had two touchdowns. Pretty through two to Quignan Mitchell's not on his team, but did generate enough offense to make it work.

You want Jennings to CMC there? What was the number one reason, Bruce, the 49ers won in your mind? Well, I'm going to go back to what I said with the Eagles. The Eagles big names did not play well and make the big plays. We saw some of the drops, and the Niners did. And even some of their non-big names. Did Marcus Robinson? Chiefs legend, Super Bowl champion.

Right, he was with the Chief. But this dude has played 10 years. Yeah. Only two times in his 10-year career had he ever caught more than 100 yards receiving or 100 yards even receiving. He had 111, I think, yesterday and obviously got the game off on a great route way for the Niners in his first play where he had 58 yards. 58 yards, yeah, several of a yak, yards after catch.

So he stepped up, made some other big plays. Christian McCaffrey only kind of like his season, 15 carries, 48 yards, 3 yards of carry. He was just kind of like the workhorse that breaks them down a little bit. And then had the two receiving touchdowns. And one, the one off the Jawan Jenny's throw was a great catch. Some receivers, I'm not saying they couldn't make that catch. But some receivers may have dropped that ball. Look at Brock.

for running back and Jenny's give Jenny's credit because he knew he was going to get hammered. Yeah. For a non-quarterback. Roughing the passer? I know. For the record, I don't think it was. What in the world? I don't blame Jalen Carter there because it's like, wait, he's the, he's not the quarterback.

How many quarterbacks can we have? No, that's true. That would have been like, I can clock this guy. He's running. It didn't. But it still, even if it was a quarterback. But imagine if that pass is dropped. And it's like 15 yards automatic first down.

I'd be livid. But that ended up not matter. So just pretend to pass at any point. They both step up. And even Jenny's look, we know he was a four-star quarterback in high school. But still, to throw that ball, he threw a dime knowing he's about to get nailed. And how about a use check? Amazing.

Like, he, when Kittle went out, he kind of, he became one of their main targets. And he made some great catches. But I got to give some credit to Brock Purdy. And, like, seriously, I know. through the two picks. He's a gun sling. He throws in the tight windows. Most of the times it works.

Some of the times it doesn't, and that's when he gets his interceptions. But he came back from it, obviously led the game-winning drive. And here's the thing with Purdy. And I've said it last week. He's never had a bad, he hadn't been great in all of them.

It hasn't had a bad playoff game in seven games. And he's five and two. And his five wins, Nick, four of them game-winning drives. And here's the one. the graphic. There's two guys with multiple game winning drive since 2022 when Purdy entered the league.

Mahomes with five, Purdy with four, no one else has even two. So the dude and his mobility is a big key too. You saw it yesterday. Buckle up. Get your helmets on for this one. You're not going to believe it. You killing Purdy? I'm tipping

my cap to Perth. Oh. Games like yesterday make me open to changing my mind. What? I'm telling you. After three years, you're just three years, a Super Bowl

appears, four game winning drives in a playoff, you're open to it. So much so. I made an even, not better, but a different complimentary purdy graphic. Because what's the knock on Shanahan?

You can't, if they, if you are trailing in the fourth, you're dead. You are dead. And that to me has always been about he has had civilians, not superheroes at, at quarterback.

So if it's on script and everything's rolling, but if it's like, man, got a pass situation, what are you going to do? Can't do it. Purdy's been able to do it. And yesterday he did it without any Avengers, except McCaffrey. Under Shanahan,

down entering the fourth quarter, all the other quarterbacks are six and 36. Purdy's won four games like that. I understand four and 14 looks bad. That's not bad. That is the only Brady and Mahomes in league history are even close to 500 or above.

Mahomes is above, Brady's right around it for trailing, entering the fourth quarter. Out of all the awesome graphics. No, but look at the bottom. Hold on look at the bottom. Two wins.

He now has two wins and down six plus. Everyone else is 0 and 30. Every other Shanahan. That's what I'm talking about. Shanahan quarterback. And so. And so.

And so that, like he, yes, he made mistakes. But that guy is fearless. And he, one of the reasons he throws those picks is because he believes himself so much,

which can be a problem. But because he believes himself so much, he's like, we're fine. And so I think that plus what is, I think, the greatest coaching season in Shanahan's career is why they're still here. We'll see how far they can go. And look, he's never,

every time he's made the playoffs, he's got an least in the conference championship. All right, we've got to head to Chicago. Bears with yet another magical comeback. Seventh win of the year when they were down with two minutes to go or in overtime. Caleb manufactures 25, 25. Fourth quarter points.

Danny Parkins was in the building. Here's Caleb. They wanted us. That's what I heard. They wanted it. They got it. Old classic. What did Caleb prove?

Listen, he's at the very least, moving forward, he's the best quarterback in that division. And pending, if Matt Stafford, retires all think he's the best quarterback in his conference. Really? Really? Yeah, I mean, I thought he is, you can, maybe you guys didn't say that's too far, but I believe. In the fourth quarter, yeah. Well, listen, I believe he's only going to get better. And the things he is great at, you can't teach. The things he's shaky at, I think, are the easiest to teach. And the things we were worried about, like maturity, leadership. His teammates love him. I thought he gave the

single most cogent on field post game interview, I can remember. It was like four minutes long talk. We had that ready to go. Right. But it was, it just showed. I thought his post game. You didn't think like the frustrating, like, I know it's all place great because they won, but he looked very frustrating.

No, I do think he is very emotional. He's, yeah. And that, and he can ride that emotional roller coaster. I think he will improve on that. Okay. And like, it is, to me, he is now on the trajectory of. of what his trajectory was when he was drafted. Generational number one pick.

Because this play on fourth and eight, brew, it might be the single, it is in the running for best, given the context of it. If he doesn't hit the throw, they lose the playoff game. They ended up winning it. The difficulty of it, all of it. It's as good of a throw as a player's made since I've been doing this show. It's a great.

And to drop it in there, I mean, between three. It's impossible. And so I just, I am, and their ability to be down double digits, it's a dangerous way to do business. Often. But they're three and three now down ten in the final five minutes of a game. The rest of the league is three and one fifty-nine. And so that's some, Caleb, that's an incredible number. Yeah, it's not all him, but it's...

No, you don't... He takes advantage of the opportunities, though. It's a dangerous way to do business, but he's so remarkably gifted, and he's learning how to do the other stuff. Like, they don't have the process errors anymore. The pre-snap stuff, they cleaned it up. He's still inaccurate. He's very inaccurate and misses some...

Like, he only completed 50% of his passes. Some of his throws you like, but he is dynamic. And I would... This is a huge compliment for me. Late in that game, I felt a feeling like it's generally been reserved for Patrick Mahomes. Yep. Like when it was late, I felt like, man, they're about the score. Yep.

They're about the score. And I think you can argue, Nick, and this is why I wouldn't say he's definitely the best quarterback in the division yet, because I think Jordan Love was fantastic with the four touchdowns. He was great. Almost 30 yards. And even though I think it's arguable, who will be better next year? We'll see. Certainly Caleb is much.

more dynamic and his ceiling is higher. But Jordan has played great this year and was great yesterday or over the weekend. But I didn't feel that way with him having that ball in that last drive. It's not all Jaylor, but I didn't feel like I was like I didn't think they were going to score. And maybe they will and we'll see. And I'm hoping because that was my team, my pick in the preseason. But Caleb, I felt like they're scoring.

And so he is clutch. And that is something, I mean, whether. We've seen Reggie Miller, Robert Ory, and football Mahomes, like some guys just have that, and he obviously has it, and Nick, if he does, which you would think he will,

because of the great improvement he's made this year, he loves Ben Johnson. We saw in the locker room, he praised Ben Johnson for what he's done for him. If he just can nail down the little things, then he, Patrick

Mahomes, like that type of player. I'm not going to put him on my homes level. But that you always said 2.0, that type of player he looks like that's a positive He's great at cannot be taught. He's best at the tough throw. He throws a cannon

and that's why. Look of the wrist that has the power of anybody's throw. The only downside to this is you guys don't know what a generationally bad winner Danny Parkins can be. He has no experience with

He was out here. I see. Danny, you're on it. You're on it five. Shows in 90 minutes. You're not even looking at this guy on Coward show today. He's feeling felt so much.

He said he thinks the Pope watches his clips. The Pope went. That's what he said. Pope Leo. Pope Leo is Pope Bob from the south side. He went to the World Series for the White Sox so it stands the reason. He thinks he's watching Danny's clips.

Then he was listening. I'm listening to my highly rated show on the score back in the day. This is really, by the way, Chicago says, what up? Chicago. Great win. I mean, this guy's wearing sunglasses inside and at night. You said never a doubt which is in chiefs thing.

Have you seen the Blues Brothers? It's dark and we're wearing sunglasses. We're on a mission from God. We got the Pope on our side. And by the way, is there a clicker for me? Yes, it's over here. I have a banner here with no plan. Oh, I got a banner.

I got a banner. You're going to block it, you dope. I'm staying over there. Sorry, I thought it was going to be over here. I, here we played, okay? Here's the thing. Greatness, you compared him to Mahomes, Reggie Miller. That felt the reggie stuff.

No, but I was playing off of Nick San too. No, I understand, but he's not Mahomes. In the history of basketball, who do you want taking a shot late? A goat. What is this one? Caleb, his airness, and a trio of Chicago goats. Because I told you so, I was, what did Caleb prove that I was right? A goat.

Chicago, roll the animation. A Chicago goat, baby. Caleb, Mike, and me. That's too far. That's too far. I didn't go far enough. I didn't go far enough. Better now, baby.

Okay. Are the Patriots on the door of destiny? That was good, Daddy. Certainly good. Oh, he sounds so surprised. This is really funny. I have great news for you. We are under 20 million views to a billion views on YouTube.

Gianna's job almost assuredly safe. It's like having a huge lead in Packers Bears for a game. Oh. Like only. It would be shocking. Keep your back. To a billion. I just tell you, it's by.

Super Bowl Sunday. How many days for Super Bowl Sunday? 20. We're at 19 million. I'm telling you. Gianna, it's going to keep pushing. We got it. It's going to be tight. Fun fact. Did you know that the Patriots have only beaten three playoff teams? My goodness. The third being the Chargers last night, who some people said they wanted the Patriots. Oh, okay. I wanted you to score more than three points. Poor Drake didn't look like his MVP self. My goodness gracious. Still had 340 total yards dominated. It dominated probably a little much, regardless. Here he is, both game. We never doubted it.

We never doubted it. You know, it didn't look, you know, it wasn't pretty, that's for sure. But this defense was so fun to watch. You know, congrats to them, man, it was so fun to watch. They won the game for us. I didn't throw it very well tonight. You know, need to be better. But, you know, we do what we had to do.

And that's what it takes in the playoffs. And just proud of this team. That was fun, man. That was fun to get one at home and look forward to be back here next week. I agree. It was fun. I do not think you should keep trying to throw the ball when guys are grabbing your jersey. First half, not great.

I started to get some mean tweets. Kept my cool. Kept my composure. Second half, pass rating shot up to 142. He didn't run the ball as much, but he had some backbreaking plays. Greg, question to you, is it time to admit that Patriots are a scary squad? Because a long time, we weren't getting any respect to schedule. Yeah, I was giving the team respect.

Look, they're a scary team. Thank you, Greg. That was good, though. I agree with that. Sorry. This thing on 20th, Steve. I don't want to stop answering. You got to just let him do his thing.

He did it to me. You pointed. I didn't know he was going to do it. He got me early. You have always supported Drake May, so I appreciate it. We're on the doorstep of Destiny. Fellas, welcome back. Greg, as you were.

Look, they've been a scary team. I think the number one thing you talked about. We looked at the, we looked at the, schedule and who they didn't play and the teams that they weren't on their schedule and that they didn't have an opportunity to play and we measured them according to that. The reality is in that locker room they believe that they have one of the best teams in football. And so regardless of who was going to be coming in this weekend, they felt like they had a great chance because of the guy under center.

We see the numbers to support what he was in the first half, second half. I absolutely loved what we saw. actually showing some showing a little bit of adverse situation it got a little shaky a little little oh my gosh is drake going to actually be bad and then he overcame it the defense something that you've alluded to in the red zone how about this wild i was shocked gave him nothing i don't know what happened like the opposite of what you're yeah we are not good in the red zone and we are not good getting to the quarterback it was right in the red zone great at getting it was it was it was It was a phenomenal game to watch.

This was a team that came out almost as if Vrable leaned into the fact that, guys, this is what's being said about us. We got to go and prove that this is not the case, that we are not good enough because of who we've played. And this is a team that set their starters, set their quarterback, and acted like, we want you. We can beat you. And so let's go and show them that this is not what they want. And they did that. So listen, I agree with the vast majority of that because there were two teams this weekend whose star quarterbacks played poorly by their standards and they won anyway.

And that makes those teams scarier, the Rams and the Pats to me. Unless you think that's who those quarterbacks are going to be the rest of the playoffs, you're like, ah, it's a bad game or in May's case, butterflies, whatever it was. because I didn't, I disagree with you guys a bit about, oh, in the second half you fixed it. Because they're up 13 in the game's over unless you turn the ball over and Drake fumbled again. Yeah. And it could have just, the only thing could have got the charge back in the game was a scoop score. And it was right there and you guys, you guys fell on it.

Like it was a, and we can show Drake's numbers compared to his season averages, what Brew and I were a little worried about that he would have. one of, if not his worst game of the season, to start the playoffs. But I don't think it's now like, okay, that's who he's going to be next week. I think it was. First playoff game jitters, all those things. And you guys won anyway, which makes your team scarier. So that's a long way of saying Gru and I were right and you were wrong.

But it makes your team more dangerous, in my opinion. I'll take that. Look, I'm with great. I liked what I saw from Drake, Maine. And he did have to fight through adversity, struggled a bit early. That's good for him. I think that, especially when you win.

And his running, and we all knew he could run. You had the Michael Vick graphics and all that last year. But he ran, when he wasn't passing it well, he ran the ball well. And then, of course, he makes the, throws the dime to Hunter Henry to seal the game. But I thought he learned a lot just in the course of the game. Now, look, I agree with you guys. The pressure, they sacked Herbert six times. They obviously were tough in the red zone.

I'm definitely going to give them credit for that. And certainly, they're dangerous. You look at the field. If you won this weekend in the AFC, you're dangerous. Yes. I mean, the bills, a lot of people, even though the Patriots are favorite, might think the bills, but they beat the bills. They're one in one with the bills.

And the game is in Foxborough. And then the other two teams, you got questions about the quarterbacking. In all the three teams. Yeah, in the offensive. Pittsburgh, Houston, Denver. The question is can they score? Now, I do think some, I did not like some of the play call it by the Chargers in the red zone. I mean, they want to turn Justin Herbert into a running back.

Like, it was, so some of it was on them. Yeah, yeah, some of it was on them. But still, you guys deserve credit and it was impressive. That was a career high for Drake running, 10 rushes, career high, 66 years. That was his career. Greg, I want to give you as a Super Bowl champion, and I am flag football champion, so a little champion to champion talk. I want to get a vibe check on something that hit my radar.

We saw everybody's post-game quarterback interviews, one-on-one with the quarterback, how'd you do, this and that. I want to show you the picture of the Patriots post-game. This is a six-person post-game interview from Mike Reese. For those who watch the NBC on-on-Piel interview, Drake May, Hunter Henry, Chase on, and Wayneau, Garrett Bradbury, Morgan Moses, were there due to May's request, won the entire O line

there, but Will Campbell and Jerry Wilson had to party quickly. What's up with him? They don't mess with it? No. You look at that both ways. Between that, Mike Rable, bleeding, the end of the game. There just seems, I granted, they're my team, so I think it's a special team.

But is there anything hitting your vibes meter of like, wow, this team really supports each other and loves that. They obviously are supporting each other. It doesn't hit my meter. I think it's a good sign that he's understanding that it's not just about him. It's about us as the collective. And if he continues to do that, which he needed his team. He alluded to that in this post game. Like, he needed the team to step up because he wasn't at his absolute best. But it's a good sign. You can love it. I don't read too deep into it. It's okay. You can just tell him. No, I'm on, I'm on, I'm high on this team. Some O KC vibes.

I know. I'm surprised you did. Yeah. They, they, they, Gentlemen, do you mind playing this off again, please? Thank you. Watch out, Nick. I'm fine. Let me just lay out for you. Welcome back. As for the Chargers, they rested last week.

They wanted to head to New England. Didn't work out. Herbert got sacked six times, lost a fumble, managed 207 total yards of offense, and that included a fumble that turned into a first down. Here's Herbert post game. We just have to be able to score, And we didn't do that today.

And, you know, that's on us as an offense. When we get those opportunities, we have to do everything we can to get the ball in the end zone. It wasn't good enough today. And I didn't play well enough and didn't make any plays. And, you know, when it mattered most, we didn't score any points. We have to do better than three points. And as an offense, it's not good enough. And quarterback play, it wasn't good enough.

And, you know, we let the defense down today. Tough one. Fair to put this loss on Herbert. Yeah. it's 10 straight quarters of F-minus quarterback play in the playoffs by Justin Herbert this is what it is. I mean, first good news,

well, I guess second good news, after a hardball getting fired for Lamar in the last couple months. He's no longer the face of shaky playoff quarterbacking from a quarterback that in Lamar's case, we know is great. It's far better than Herbert. Exactly right.

But like if people talk about like playoff shrink, you know, alleged superstar quarterback Lamar, it's not alleged. if Lamar had been the face of a lot of people, he's not. Like, and again, this can change, but the fact that it can change in the future doesn't mean it's not a reality right now. Right now, here's where Justin Herbert is in NFL history

amongst quarterbacks with at least three playoff starts and passer rating. Dalton's the worst, then Herbert, Brad Johnson, Carson Palmer, Rex Grossman. Palmer at least had one good run late in his career, which again is to say it can happen. And I didn't, when I asked for this graphic, I didn't know Andy Dalton. It was going to be Dalton Herbert 1, 2. But we have said for a long time, we're talking about Mahomes and Alan and Lamar,

like who's Brady, who's Manning, who's Big Ben of this era. Somebody's also got to be Andy Dalton. And this might sound outrageous because Herbert's 6'6 and has a rocket arm. Here's Andy Dalton and Justin Herbert through six years. Now Herbert's better. But he has a worse record. Same in the playoffs. Team points per game.

Same. Yards per game goes to Herbert. Yards per pass, Dalton. Again, Herbert is better. But the way it is discussed, he is not discussed like he is a rich man's Andy Dalton until the playoffs when he is just Andy Dalton. And I understand it is always someone else's fault.

The offensive line, particularly in the fourth quarter, was a train wreck. But the flip side to that is this. Literally, no quarterback in NFL history has had their defense force more takeaways in a three-game playoff losing streak than Justin Herbert has in his. In the last quarter century, no quarterback has lost three straight playoff games with their defense forcing five turnovers other than Chad Pennington. Herbert's is forced 10. That's the most in the last. Of course, Trevor gave him a lot.

Okay, well, whatever it is. I'm saying extra possessions. but still, extra possessions. And if we took it to the entirety of NFL history, Herbert's number one as well. Number two, grew, I didn't do it because I want to do it to your guy. Bert Jones with nine. That Bert Jones fellow has showed up a lot of these.

I mean, this is, I know this fit. But like, you have to, you're at the, I think the eight yard line when Drake gave you the ball. Like, you have to score there. And so I am, again, like, Greg, I am not saying he is the biggest problem with the team, but he is the superstar who is the reason people

believe in the team and for three straight playoff games at least two and a half straight he has been totally unproductive I don't know what else you can say about it

yeah look you make a strong argument and those are facts the reality for the charges in our organization is we have Justin Herbert we believe Justin Herbert is good enough for us to overcome some of the things that we are

are not going to have. Some of the weaknesses, some are our voids. And that's just not been the case in the postseason. Watching that game yesterday, it is very difficult for me to sit here and put it all on Justin Herbert, knowing what I, as a receiver, and forget the offensive line. We know the offensive line. From a receiving standpoint, tell me a guy that was creating any form of separation yesterday. I was shocked that we had everything. It was unreal. And You cannot do that to your quarterback. I'll even, like, I'm not going to give anybody a pass, but Keenan Allen, a little longer in the tooth.

Okay, that acceptable if you want to say that. Ladd McConkey. Exactly, the drops. Ladd McConkey, no separation, it was poor. Quentin Johnson, where was he? But here's the, can I just on that real quick? And I should have him pull the tape. On one of the Herbert scrambles to the right,

McConkey is open by a 20-yard radius around him, and at that point, they are down 6-3. I understand it'd be one thing if this was a tie or a three-point or a six-point game for two and a half hours before the offensive line totally broke down. You needed your superstar to make one play, including a drive that started inside the 10, and that's like you've got to make one play. I understand that. And, and, but we're asking, and again, I'm not a Justin Herbert apologist. Like, he is not exempt.

Five o'clock hour. He is not exempt. However, he has to be perfect for this team to have success in the postseason yesterday. Like, it was, it was clear because we can, we can point the finger and they can place, we can place blame on the calling, the play calling. We can place blame on Justin Herbert. We can place blame on the offensive line after they kind of started to break down. we definitely can place blame on the running game and the receiving. To place blame on Justin Herbert is easy to do because he is their best player.

And I'm not saying he is not one to own some of that. But to say he has to overcome it all, it's with that team knowing what that defense is going to look like against a backup offensive line. Like, look, man, if I get a second or third string defender across from me, you know how I'm going to feel? Uh-oh. Let's go. Yeah, and a lot of the, he got sacks six times, and you're right, they protected him fairly well early on, but the sacks, when they started coming in the bunches, those weren't like quarterback, you know, it wasn't his fault.

It was the rush, and then coverage sacks. I like Ladd McConkey a lot. I felt like, where is he today? Like, I haven't heard his name saying once. You know, like he, they really locked him down. I agree the receivers could not create separation. But here's what I'll say about Herbert. He's not elite.

We have to stop, and I don't think you put him in that category right now, but a lot of people view him as elite. Like, okay, we won't put him in the top four with those guys, Lamar and Mahomes, et cetera, but he's right after them. We can't put him there right now. He's falling out of fluid for you? Well, you're trying to be funny, but. No, five, six to, I guess he's in the bottom.

Now, he can get there. But right now, with the way he's performed, he's out. And I'm like great, I'm not an apology like Danny for him, but I do like him. I think he's got great talent. But he looks different in the playoffs. He looked different yesterday. I don't think he looked like he was scared, but he just looked like a different quarterback. We all knew their offensive line was banged up if we had told you the Patriots were going to have two terms.

and nine points through three quarters, you'd be like, sounds great for the charges. And by the way, three of those points were because Herbert gave him an extra possession at the end of the half. Like they, coming up next, the most wonderful and some of the weirdest plays of the weekend, including Siriani and A.J. Brown in the play. God forbid. They gotten an argument. Oh my gosh.

Through their season ended. Josh John scores with a minute left, maybe too much time. The bills hang on once Trevor throws it to the wrong team. Let's listen to Josh in the locker room. I thought they were against the Tishbush. We stay here. We don't blink, all right? We get one more.

That's the reward for doing what we did today. We get one more. Now we've got to go earn it again. All right? Love y'all boys. Did Josh Allen's performance put the AFC on notice? To me, yes. And if they weren't already.

and I don't want to relitigate old arguments, not amongst you guys, but amongst the media at large. But this is why pressure is good. That's good. The reason why it was good that it was going to be bad if Josh Allen didn't come through

was because that makes a play like this, the 40-yard dart down in this game to try to come back and win one of the biggest plays of the guy's career. That's right. If it's, if it, what the, some of the,

some folks who wanted this game to be a reputational free roll, like, well, I don't know, guys. The Jaggs ran for 160 yards. The Jaggs run offense is so good. It's unfair to expect the guy who, our dear friend, Con, Coward, calls the most talented player in the history of the league to be able to go into Duval County and win. Like, that pressure is good because when you come through, it has more stickiness to it. It's not just a wild card round victory. And I think that was a great example, brew, of why the bills are so scary. Because I don't even look at what Josh did yesterday as going Superman.

No. I just look at that like, man, that's a good Josh Allen playoff game. And I don't know that he made a mistake the whole game. I was going to say that part. It was so efficient. It was excellent. and what we know them for and to be offensively to lean into the run game,

it was the worst output they've had all season. Obviously, we know who the Jags are up front, but if you look at the numbers, they suggest this is what they did on Sunday with the running back, with James Cook, who obviously Russian title leader, fewest rush yards, yards per rush, fewest, rush attempts, fewest. Like, they did this without their typical running game.

And Josh, when they typically don't have a running game like this, what do we expect Josh to do? Exactly what you said he didn't do. Superman. He didn't do it. He didn't give you the turnovers. He didn't give you the added unnecessary running that was throwing his body around. Now he was banged up a little bit, but it was methodical.

It was I'm going to just continue to take what they're giving me. And when the time comes, he makes the play that's needed and that we all expects him to make. because the pressure is going to remain because he is the best player in the playoffs remaining. So Josh Allen, great performance for him. Yeah, I mean, look, the AFC already had to be on notice. You know, he's clearly the best quarterback left in the conference, so they were already on notice.

But I thought what was so impressive yesterday, like you said, we, with Superman mode is like he goes dynamic. I think it was some, one, I mean, it wasn't Superman because it wasn't dynamic. It was just steady. It was almost like Jordan in the first three-peat is Superman mode. And yesterday, Josh Allen was Jordan in the second three-peat. Not quite as dynamic, not as spectacular, but just killing you, killing you mid-range here.

And that's what he did. Yes, he almost threw for 300 yards. And we're saying that's not Superman mode. Ran for two touchdown. You know what I mean? So he just was steady. and Superman mode usually has a couple of mistakes, a couple of wild, reckless plays.

He didn't have much of that yesterday, and so he was just steady. And that's what scared, because it's like, if he can do this without the mistakes, that really will make them scared. Scared of the bills yet? Am I scared of the bills? Interesting question.

A little bit. Wow. A little bit. Wow. A little bit. There's only, well, we've got four more teams, four teams left. They are, yeah, they will. Let me ask you this real quick.

I'm not scared of the Broncos. I'm not scared of the Steelers. So that's what I was going to ask. Not scared of the Texans. So if, hold on, if Broncos, Broncos are playing the bills. Yep. The Bronx, let's assume you guys have won if the, I don't think the game's in that order, but doesn't pretend with them.

I'll be rooting for the Broncos. So you'd rather go to Denver than have the bills come to your place. I'm just. All right, you're scared. That's good. Yeah. I like it's supposed to be. It's good.

We're undefeated. We're undefeated on the road. I'm, you know, I'd rather take my shots at Bo Nix. A struggling offense. Yeah, that's fair right. Good. You know what? Josh Allen deserves our respect.

There you go, KW. You've come a long way. You've got to let you guys get away with the best. He's not the best quarterback in the AFC East, but I mean, is, in my office segment? No, you're here, back. Oh, okay. You're here, bro. Hey, let's come back against Greg's Packers next.

It's all you. Live from New York, it's a show that had to sternly convince Danny Parkins that it was a bad idea to try to put the cheese grater hat on Greg's head unexpectedly. Bad idea. I told him. I'm like, I just don't think that's a wise decision. That's a way to be a leader of a show. You know, I just keep everything good. That's right.

He's like, how about Gru? I'm like, again. He asked me about it. Yeah, he asked me about it. Unwise. Second hour of first things first. Today, the Eagles have landed, trademark. Phillies, inept offense ends their season.

Meanwhile, guess who's the new favorite in the AFC to go to the Super Bowl, not the Bills? But right now, Greg, I'm sorry, we are contractually obligated to talk about this game. Check in on Greg's Packers. Didn't go great. Jordan Love had four touchdown. That was good. But Green Bay ran the ball three times in the third quarter. Don't need to drain any clock.

You're up big. Don't worry about it. Defense fell apart. Here's Matt LaFloor. Well, obviously, this one is going to hurt for a really, really long time. You know, when you are in complete control of a football game and the flip or the script gets flipped in the second half. And it was a lot of self-inflicted things. And, you know, you.

you know, give credit to them. We knew they were a team that could come back and fight. I mean, they've proved it all season long, and we had opportunities to kind of put them away, and we didn't get it done. Great. What was the story here? I'm going to be honest.

I'm going to be honest. I was going to come out on it. What was the story? The Bears come back or the Packers collapse? It was the Packers' Collapse. collapse. And credits of the bears, I'm going to say that right out the gate, because

they forced the Packers collapse. Okay. And so I don't agree 100% with what I heard out of Matt LaFleur, being that it was a lot of self-inflicted. The Bears punched you and then continued

to punch you, and you just you stopped punching. I thought in the first half, that first quarter, I thought I was almost ready to text the group. I promise you I was. Not because we were winning or anything like that. Matt LaFleur is on a mission to prove that he's a better play.

I'm better. This is personal between myself and Ben. And Ben seemed like he thought it was personal and it was screwing up the bears. He's going for these fourth downs early. It was probably the most impressive play calling and creativity. And you've got to have some wrinkles when you're playing a team for the third time. You got to have some wrinkles. I thought they did that.

And then the half, they're up obviously 21-3. And I'm not excited, but I'm like, okay, the second half come. And it's like Dennis Allen in that defense says, hey, if we're going to lose, we're going to give them everything we got. Because when you look at what they were doing from a pressure standpoint and what they started doing in that second half, this is what turned the tide. If you look at the numbers in the first half, two pressures. Second half, 10.

What did we see in Jordan Love and that offense in the first half? Him sitting back there just surveying, being special, dissecting everything. In the second half, it was like, look, we can't let them sit back there, make them make an adjustment. They never adjusted. Offensively and defensively. You let Caleb continue to get outside contained. Like Rush Lane integrity. It was the most, and I'm trying to, it was the most frustrating game to watch all weekend.

Because to have a lead 213 against the Bears and Danny's in the stands with the cheese grater on his head, I can't wait. I'm like, this is perfect. This is perfect. And then Caleb, what they know, this is why I don't, what he said, they knew who the bears were. The late great Denny Green, the bears are who we thought they were. The bears are who we thought they were. Like, we know Caleb is capable of this. Micah was tweeting, we just got to hold them off.

Period. Period. Period. But that means you have to remain aggressive. You have to stick to the script. You got Josh Jacobs and the running game was effective and you stop. I'm done. I'm going to pass the one of you guys.

Good analysis, though. No, look, I agree. First of all, both stories are huge. I don't want to take anything from the Bears. This is what they do. It's not like this was the first or second time they've done it all year. So I do have to give them credit. They did it seven times this year, came back like this and won games.

So I'll give them credit. But the bigger story is the Packers, because for one, this might have coached ramifications. Now, all the important seems that they're going to stick with Matt LaFleur. Micah has given him a vote of confidence. We saw J-Lo after the game, Jordan Love, give him a voter confidence. And I really like LaFleur a lot. I think he's a very good coach. This game made me wonder, is he a great offensive coordinator and maybe not a great head coach? Now where I would stand on him is I would, and I get it there in a contractual situation where he wants an extension, he has one year left on his deal.

I would love to have him for one more year at least. And let me see what happens next year. If I'm the Packers Brain Trust, I'm thinking, let me see what happens next year. If this happens again, we just have to move on. We know he's a good head coach and all that, or, you know, play call or stuff. But here's the deal. And I've criticized John Harbaugh on this. They had three losses this year where they led by 10 points entering the fourth quarter.

No other team in the NFL had more than one. So this is a pattern with them. So why do you want to see more of it? Well, because I do have a lot of respect for his head coach or his play call it. Look, I give him, maybe I'm giving him more credit than he deserves for air. Rogers' resurrection. Rogers looked like he was done at the end of Mike McCarthy's tenure. He comes out under Lafleur wins two MVP's,

and I give him credit for developing Jordan Love. Yeah, and the very little we've seen him, Malik Willis. Yeah, so I like, oh, my God. I like, quickly I'll say that. I said with Harbaugh, I was saying his being there 18 years was a part of my reason why I thought it was time to move on. Lafleur's only been there a few years. I don't think they've tired of his voice.

So, look, it's going to be interesting. I would want to keep him for one more year. Listen, I think the bigger story is the first flag planted of Caleb Williams' arrival. I think that has the longer historical tale, because I do think Caleb is going to be a great quarterback, and I think that we'll see how this season ends up ending. But we've talked about that before. We're going to talk about that more.

I want to say something about the Packers side of it. Because we've, first of all, the fact that these things, two teams played three times. The Bears won two of them, and this graphic about offensive plays run while leading exists is the craziest thing I've ever seen. The Bears won two of the three games.

They ran zero offensive plays with the lead. Real. That's fascinating. That's, I, that. The last two into the day that should not be able to happen. I mean, that is worth firing

somebody. I mean, that it's, it's, what I wonder. Is this so you would get rid of him. It's Falcons Patriots-esque. Like this is going to have. Which either was on the step. That was? He was on the step. Oh, yeah.

But so I don't know. Maybe it doesn't seem like they want to fire him, but it also seems like he wants a big raise. But here's. Top negotiation. Here's what I give you a year. I'm coming in for a real. How about a little more? What's so wild.

I'll just be very quick. I've never seen a comeback like this in this regard. The Bears were not that good. through large stretches of the combat. Yes. They turned it over on a fourth down in the five-yard line. They got a huge punt return to put them on the plus side. They got two yards on the drive.

They gave up a touchdown. Yeah. During the Packers had eight drives after going up 21 to 3. I've never seen. So like as brilliant as Caleb was overall in the second half, there were a ton of moments watching it where it's like, oh, man, if the Bears score here, they could come back. They don't score.

Yeah. And it came back anyway because the Packers gave them the ball back instantly. It was the Packers, after going up 21 to 3, had two missed field goals, three, three and outs, a five and out, the end of the game, and a touchdown. Extra point. Right. By the extra point? Just run the ball. I mean, it was.

You got Josh Jacobs back here, too. I mean, a delay a game coming out of timeout. It was, things like that was like, what are we doing? And by the way, I'm going to say this last thing, really quick. If everybody comes back healthy, Matthew Golden must stay on the field. Oh, my. Period.

Do not take him off the field. He is the best receiver. I thought it was over after that play he made. Well, yeah. Usually when a team scores touchdown to go up 11 in the fourth quarter, that usually ends the game. Of course, they get this extra point. And the other piece of it, they were 9, 3 and 1.

Micah got hurt in their own 5. It might just like two teams thought they were going to have Micah Parsons this year. End up not having them and they couldn't win after. So like he's probably pretty good. It's pretty good. Sneaky MVP case. There you go. Meanwhile in Philadelphia.

Exactly. The Eagles offense sputters and stalls the sixth time this year. They do not score a touchdown in the second half. It won't be the last. Kittle went down and Kyle got more creative having Juan Jennings hit CMC in the end zone. Here's Kyle in the locker room. I can't tell you guys how I'm proud of this. team I am. You guys, like, the fact that we had two linebackers play that game that weren't on

our team a month ago. And not to make it. Eric, the fact that you guys were ready for that and not to mention, I think you guys bawled your ass off. You guys were all over the place, man. All we asked for was another shot, dude. I wanted another shot. You guys earned that in the best way possible, man. That's amazing. Did the 49ers win this game, Greg, or do you think the Eagles lost it? A little bit of both. But I think the 49ers went in there and they won that. game. I thought the 49ers how they came out attacking and when you take you back a few years, when you've lost to a team and you didn't have your quarterback and you lose your quarterback in the game obviously in the NFC championship game a few years back, you never lose that.

You never, you never forget that. And so coming back to the same place where that happened, knowing you're injured, but we've had the success all season long. So we're not going to give ourselves and out. So even losing George Kittle during the game, that's when I thought, uh-oh, this might be over. But they kept doing the same things that they've done all season

long. Unheralded guys making plays. You mentioned Demarcus Juice check. It's good to have a super check. It's great to have players who know who they are and you boost their egos a little bit.

And then on the flip side, when you look at the players that didn't make plays for the Eagles, you can't win with it. I tell my kids this all the time. I know how talented you guys are. I expect for everybody to then walk away knowing how talented you guys are because you execute. We know how talented the Eagles are. But when they don't execute, which they haven't in second halves, it's been largely because either the quarterback didn't make the plays, either they couldn't run the ball

or the receivers weren't involved. Somehow, yesterday, every receiver got opportunities. They missed opportunities. The quarterback wasn't great, but he wasn't as bad as the number suggests. So for AJ, Devante, and I know Devonty don't talk a lot, but AJ had a lot of opportunities. And I supported AJ all season long. You got to give him the ball. They tried to give him the ball.

And in big moments, he let his team down. And more importantly, he let himself down because he's going to field that. And we have those moments. But you can't be that when your team is actually making you a part of what we're trying to do. You just, you can't have those moments. And I feel for them because, well, I haven't been there, but I've seen it happen. It happens to the best of them. This is the killer.

That one, that one right there. I think they probably win the game. You can't. You go to your guy. Yeah. And you, on the flip side, you got. Purdy who's thrown the two picks. Who is his guy?

But everybody seemed to come up with a play. Greg, real quick, are you saying you haven't been there? I knew you were going to go back. I just had a game with multiple drops. No, I've definitely had games with multiple drops. Okay. Not games. A game, I believe.

It happens. Okay. But what do you mean? But I wasn't on my quarterback. I wasn't out. That's the thing. And just making it known that we've got to be this. this in the past.

Give me the ball. When you make those claims, you don't, you have almost zero margin for error. See, that stinks. Yeah. It's like,

KW, it's like the days when you, on the call are like, this is quoting you, Kevin Wilds. I have to carry the show today, guys, because the Ravens and Chiefs are out.

And then you're, and then you're not good. That makes Brew and I matter in just regular days when they're not good. When you're bad, when you're bad, but you're just like, you didn't like demand

to touch. It just happens. Like, we all get it. I don't know. This was the Niners win. And because it was a coaching clinic. Like, it was like the Niners were doing calculus and the Eagles were doing their time tables.

I mean, it was that. The Eagles were predictable. And, of course, their stars didn't make plays. The Niners, I mean, when they came out with the play with Joanne Jennings, you know, the Jet Suite, fake Jet, sweep and kind of like a flea fricker and all that, his pass. I think the Eagles were like, you can do that? You're allowed to do it.

I mean, when you compare the play calling, it was just night and day. Then they had to go out and execute it, and that's a great catch. I was going to say, right? The catch, the throw is great. The catch from a running back. And we just show AJ Brown, one of the best receivers making some drops. And I'm not saying those were easy catch. But you catch those, you're a receiver.

And then the running back makes this play. Use check had a catch behind his body, like a fullback, you know. So their players executed the superior play calling. And that was the difference. The Eagles didn't execute the inferior play calling. So I agree with that. And I think that when you look at, if we throw up the graphic about games lost due to injury this year, so many teams, it feels like their coaches or the teams are like,

Yeah. You know, just what do you want us to do? Injury bug got us. Meanwhile, the Niners have some power plant that's poisoning their players for the last decade. Stop. Stop. And they make the conference. Hey, something's up.

No, nothing's up. That guy who said sunlight is life had a compelling tweet thread. We all saw it. But my point is, and Kittle Pops his Achilles during the game. And they just keep rolling. So I do, I don't want to not give the Niners. I also don't want to gloss over the fact that this Eagles season as a whole was all things considered one of the most indefensible Super Bowl defenses we've seen in 15 years. The last Super Bowl champ to not win a playoff game was the 2019 pats, but again, they had been to three straight Super Bowls.

It was kind of a last dance situation. You know what I mean? that feels different to me. Like Brady... I mean, Brady was still great as he showed. Brady was still great, but that still feels different, at least to me. We have had some Super Bowl champs the next year

missed the playoffs outright because they weren't able to overcome injury like the Rams did the year after they won the Super Bowl. This Eagles team, from week three on, it's like, man, that often sure seems to go into hibernation for quarters at a time. It sure seems like they should figure that out. Man, A.J. Brown sure seems to be

unhappy with something. I know that because I paid for the Twitch stream where he talked about it for everyone, told him to drop him in fantasy. They change nothing. They, the offensive coordinator, everybody's mad at him. Nope, we're not going to change anything.

They've changed coordinators before. the wide receiver does all this before the trade deadline trade deadline rolls around nope we're rolling it we're running it back they they just operated as if we're the

old one Lakers and you all think we think the regular season matters watch when we get a playoff switch the playoffs rolled around and you went up against maybe the worst defense in the playoffs as far as injuries and availability all of that and you

looked like you did every game against any team with a pulse. Couple good drives and then nothing. And that was, and just one last piece, they had, they played the bills in week 17, did nothing in the second half of that game offensively, won it anyway, and the Nick Siriani said, nope, don't need a tune-up. Don't need to try to get the two-seat and end up playing the Packers. We are fine with being the three-seat and we won't rest. And then the offense looked awful.

And so that ain't great. Coming up next, who could have seen this coming? The Prince. Hey, what? Hey, the Jags were taking shots at me and Greg. What? No, they weren't. Yes.

The Prince turned into a frog. Take that all. Take that old. That was Hobbs. College Hoops triple header. Villanova Providence at six, West Virginia. Houston, Houston's number seven. I don't have them going to the final four, though.

And then Maryland. No. I have used to winning at all this. What? They finally break through. Holy cow. They were a shot away last year. Maryland, USC.

Michigan. All tips off tomorrow only on FS 1. The Jags eight game winning streak has come to an end. Who could have seen that coming besides Coach Manjini who warned us at every turn? Actually, I thought he ruined some segments, but he was right. Game ceiling interception from the Prince, one of two in the afternoon. Prince goes 18 for 30 for only 207 yards against that vaunted. against that vaunted.

That's one way to. Bill's past defense. Actually, he isn't. What do you mean? It's the number one pass defense in football. Not in my book. Okay. How much of this loss is on Trevor?

Listen, Brew, what do I hate more than anything? What is this? It's sad news. You guys did not tell me this was happening. Yeah. It was sad prince. I'm addressing you guys. This is a betrayal.

I have fought. Sad Prince music. You can put your wig on if you want. Hobbs told me in my ear. Okay. That's too much, wit. Brew, I was trying to do cogent analysis and be accountable. What do I hate more than anything?

When quarterbacks trying to rally their teams at the end of games, end it with an intercept. Game losing picks when it's in a particularly non-desperation situation. So, like, I don't, if you're, if there's 20 seconds left. And you're, Hail Mary. And there's, or you've got to go 60 yards in 20 seconds. So I didn't like the end of that game.

No. You had a minute because I thought the bills were a little too aggressive with the Josh Allen sneak. We don't have to get into it. You have a, maybe the strongest leg kicker in the history of the league. You're down three, not down four. So you didn't have to force it there. That was a, I mean, that lost them the game.

I'm not saying they would have won it, but that lost them the game. And the, after the bills, on the kick return, Trevor stumbling on the sneak on the fourth down run. I mean, it was going to be 14 to 3. Yeah. Game of inches, right. No, and so. And he was down.

No, he was down. It was a good call. So I'm not going to sit here and change what I value because it was my guy. It hurts more because there have only been two other losses like that in playoff history, where a quarterback has multiple go ahead from behind fourth quarter touchdown drives and they don't win. The 13 seconds game and a famous Drew Breeze game. Multiple go-ahead touchdowns in the fourth quarter and then you lose anyway. And so it was this close to being, he could have been, I think just he and, like he and Mahomes

would have been the only guys ever with three go-ahead touchdown drives in one quarter. driven him down. He had an opportunity right there. Now, what I will say, despite you, jackals, is I am very encouraged by the year and the direction I believe Trevor's going because I didn't look at that as like he melted down. He made a terrible mistake,

but I'm optimistic about where he's going, where the team's going. But they had an opportunity early to put a stranglehold on the game and he slipped on the fourth and two, and they had an opportunity late for him to go be a true legend and he threw a pick

on the first play. That's a tough spot. It just is what it is. I believe Josh can if he can check this quickly. I believe he has seven interceptions in his three playoff games. I think that's definitely right. He had four in the first, one in the second and two in that. It might be the most since

you know, during that time frame. Look, I don't put it all on Trevor. He threw three touchdowns. He played, you know, he had some moments. He's got to get better. This team is really good. Like, I think, and obviously Liam Cohen is good. I don't mean that he's not a good quarterback.

He's kind of the weak link, though. Like, he's solid, but he's not great. But when they were great, they were great because he was great. He had to stretch. He had to stretch, you know that. But remember, early in the season, and you even said it, they were winning kind of despite him. That's fair.

And so I'm not saying he's not a good quarterback. He's a solid quarterback. but for them to get to the next level where they can really get to a Super Bowl, he's got to improve. Now, there's no reason to think he can't because of the jump he took under Liam Cohen. So if he takes that jump next season, then they should be a legit contender. But right now, if he were like an elite quarterback, they win that game going away, really. And so I just think he's got to improve.

So I don't put the loss on Trevor. I think Trevor should put the loss on him. and then own it and improve based on what you're saying. I thought I was very encouraged by Trevor. Even the interception, the throw, the conviction in which he threw it, like it was a good throw. You could say it could have been better because it ended up getting picked. It was excellent defense.

It was a great defensive play, but he didn't throw it with any hesitation. He knew exactly what he wanted to do with the ball, where he wanted to go, and he put it in a good spot. You look at this. It's like, I mean, his receiver is going to catch that ball if the defender doesn't knock it down, hopefully. And so you can live with that. If you are Liam Cohen and you watch this back, do you want to have it back here? Trevor, absolutely.

But some of the throws he made in this game, his ability to show resolve and be resilient and make some of these throws, I was really impressed. And so knowing what you have coming back next year, you had a receiver. on the field that Parkins, or Parker Washington, that no one knew about, and all of a sudden it's like, okay, we got Parker Washington, got Jacoby Myers, you got Thomas Jr. and Travis Hunter coming back. All these weapons, Trevor, if he continues to improve, this can, and defense looks the way they look,

this can be a very, very scary. He's got to be more accurate. He's kind of like Caleb without the spectacular side to it. His spectacular plays are the windows he fits it into. Like that was an unbelievable. That was a great throw. He had a corner route that he threw that was an excellent throw as well. And the other thing, and this is where I'll just, if the Jags defense stops Josh Allen,

you know, people are like, wow, they won 2420 and he had those back-to-back. But they didn't, and that's the cost of, he's not a young player anymore. He's just finish your five. He makes $55 million. You got the ball back. and had they lost, but he didn't throw that pick? You know what I mean? They get into a 60-yard field goal and the guy misses it, whatever.

It's one thing. So I do think this was a huge step in the right direction, and I think they're the best team in that division. But that concludes our Jags coverage for the year. Thanks for joining us. We'll see around the NFL draft in a few months. But until that, we'll talk about the other. I know. I got dozens.

You didn't want to say anything? Josh Allen, over 300 total yards. Passer rating around 109, two rushing touchdowns. One was a little too quick, I thought. How dangerous, Greg, do you think the bills are moving forward here? Look, I think they're very dangerous because they have the most dangerous player remaining in all of the play. In the AFC. I say in all of the playoffs, but you can argue Caleb.

You can argue. Yeah, you're scary. You can argue Caleb if you're the Bears. But right now with his experience, knowing what you, knowing what you have in terms of the Broncos and then the winner of the Texans, the Texans Pittsburgh or Patriots, you feel really good about your chances. I think they'll be the favorites. You feel really good about your chances because in all, like defensively, you know you have a quarterback. that can overcome any defense because of how special he is. If you can have the support of the running game, which, again, I showed you the numbers,

that was the worst we've seen their running game all season long, and yet they still find a way to pull through. Defensively, they stepped up, got the stops when they need it. Josh Allen, he can do it all. And that's what you've got to have in these moments. They have that. They have the guy that has the experience. No big red machine, no low.

Lamar, no Burrow. Can I say something real quick? Sure. We got to stop saying no Burrow. Burrow had been there. I only say it because that's, he lost. Well, Burrow beat him, yeah. I understand.

But Burrow, Burrow not being in the playoffs is, we should be like, and Burroughs in. He's been in the league six years, been in the playoffs twice. Just the guy who's beating Josh. Okay, well, Lamar hasn't. Lamar hasn't. That's just the top four. Yeah, but go ahead.

Sorry, Burrow. No, no, I mean, great. Yeah, they're dangerous. I mean, they got the Superman. They got the best player in the AFC and they're competent elsewhere. You know, they got the run game. It wasn't great against Jacksonville, but that's what they do. It should be better against other teams.

Look, Khalil Shakir, that was the best I've, that might be the best game I've seen him play. Like, if he, I'm not saying he can do that every game, but he was good for them. Yeah, but they lost Gabe Davis, which I think is going to matter. Go ahead. No, that's why I was just going to tell you. Keonan Coleman citing, too. Yeah, Keon was all right, but Gabe Davis tearing his ACL is a big deal. The Superman stuff, and I know I am scared of the bills, but at the same time, I root for Josh Allen just root for a good football.

It just feels like he's taking a lot of design. And almost by design. Like, guys, what happened to protecting your franchise quarterback? Not the playoffs. That's all the playoffs are for. You might. I'm telling you. He's not going to miss a game.

No. He's not going to miss a game. But he's getting twisted around like a pretzel. Listen, this is where I have. There was one interior run, I can't remember. Where he, I didn't think that was necessary to run him. I'm not talking about at the goal line. I know what you're talking.

But that's the key to going far. I would have a little bit of caution. Man, this is the moment. This is his moment. And I, and this is where great risk, great reward. I guess so. If and when they lose, 80% of the scenarios that involve them losing involve him being heavily criticized because of the field that,

because of who he would have lost to all of it. But if they win, despite the fact that he's got the rushing champ, what I thought was a reminder from McDermott yesterday, as long as Mahomes isn't on the other side of the field, he can dial up some good playoff defenses. Like that really did confuse Trevor some. Great offensive line.

He's going to get the glory and he should because he is that guy and he is banged up and he is going to just fight through it. Dionne Dawkins put voice to it. I thought the bill's yet like the biggest mistake for the Jags yesterday I thought was they stopped running the ball. Your worries about the bill's run defense were not answered yesterday. They ran the ball with great success. Didn't matter. But Josh is right now since that loss to Burrow, Josh is on an all-time playoff heater.

So I know they're four and two with two and he had a drive in each of those games he'd like back against the Chiefs. 16 touchdown zero turnover is a 107 rating 71% completions and 265 yards per game that's now over the last three years of the playoffs and so

no turnovers in six games I mean that no turnovers and 16 touchdowns we'll see how he does against the I mean this is a real test for the Broncos defense well yeah yeah and I mean but it's the fact that they are the favorites in Denver it's because of him

And he deserves credit for it. Rogers' legacy games got a pretty long legacy. Legacy game. Yeah, I like that. Friday, Fox College Hoob's Baylor going up against number 22, Kansas. You don't like Kansas, do you? The Kansas, Missouri rivalry. That's correct.

Oh, my goodness. All tips off Friday night at 8 Eastern only on Fox. Jack Vaughn and walking through that. Hey, what about Danny Manning? Joe L.A. Rayflah, France. Oh, Rayple of France. Number.

Paul Pierce. Nice. Paul Pierce. Texans in Pittsburgh tonight. Rogers up against this vicious defense. Texans, 0 and 6 on the road all time as a franchise. I always like these. Does it have a means, no.

Well, C.J has gone home a few times and it's in Pittsburgh. That's the trick. Tomlin, 12 and 0 at home. Does that mean anything? Is it? On Monday. Yeah, KW. Don't.

On Monday. On Monday. KW. You're going to use my. I didn't use it. You just, you got it wrong. Dusty's the graphic. 12 and 0 on Monday nights.

I said. I said. Again, if I'm being totally fair since you're going to, since you screwed it up, you said 12 and 0 at home on Mondays. This is a Monday night graphic. Well, you only are not a Monday morning. Well, no, they're, he's not. You're playing Monday morning.

Hey, no one knows. It a.m. game. They do have a loss during the day on Monday. When? In Europe? No, I'm just. telling you it's just this is a Monday time there's in the day time they play a Monday day time they play a Monday day time they have a Monday day loss I don't know the

context of it be but the reason this is like years I'm just telling when they playing games on Monday a holiday Monday afternoon I fair by their world 730 in the last to be 80 years ago I'm saying it had to be in 40s it Tomlin lost it Tom's Tomlin oh my God Monday had to be a co-bbing you're ruining everything because you're freestyling graphics. Just don't let me do my graphics to do yours. We need to be a

factually correct show. But this game is at night. Exactly. Somebody checked I'm just that they're not currently Monday afternoon. They play this morning. It's like a soccer game. Josh is going to walk out. We miss it. We miss the game.

I've got the Steelers. Okay. I just, I think that they've been that aside from the Browns game that they're playing best ball of the year, I think Rogers will stand in and take some shots if need be because he was trying to stay healthy for this game. I don't think the Texans ever fixed their offense.

Yep. And I think that having T.J. Watt back. I know they had them back last week as well. I just, I like the Steelers in this spot. I think they finally break this streak. And we get a very chesty Aaron Rogers after the game. And then we get a Rogers Drake May. the young guy, the old guy

showdown. Look, I don't have a dog in this fight, obviously, but I think... CJ was your guy for years. Yeah, well, look, I think Houston's going to win because of the pass rush, okay? I think it's going to make Aaron

get rid of the ball very quickly, and he's not going to be as effective. I'm just going to be honest. You know, sometimes you don't have a dog in a fight, you find yourself going one way, just pull the sealers. The air. Aaron Rogers' story would be great.

I'm not just wanting them to win this game. That Ravens game got you, didn't it? No, I'm not just wanting him to win this game. If he wins this game, I want him to get to the Super Bowl, at least. Because I'm into story. I'm a journalist. I am into the story of Air Rogers. I like that.

But who do you think is going to win? I think Houston's going to win. But I think in my heart, you know, I'll find myself. If the Steelers, whoever wins this game, I promise you, in my heart, I'll be rooting for them next round. I guarantee you that. That I know I'm going to.

Greg, who do you have? Look, I love what Aaron did against your Ravens. It is exciting. It's a great story. It's a great story. I just think the Houston Texans defense. Can I?

They can get after you without putting pressure or bringing pressure. The fact that Aaron Rogers has been the fastest to get rid of the ball the whole year, he hasn't wanted to get hit. My theory, and tell me if you hold any water for you, is we saw, we see the Texans give people trouble because your game has to change. Like Josh sits back there behind that offensive line. All of a sudden they're on top of him.

His whole game has a change and he couldn't get it going. Aaron is used to, I got the ball, it's gone. Regardless, against any pass rush. So isn't that a bit of a, hasn't he been training almost for this Texans defense against everybody all year? The interesting thing about the Texans, they got fast linebackers, they got defensive ends that can. get their hands up if they can't get to the quarterback so they deflect balls. And then you got corners. You got a great secondary.

You got guys who can play bump and run, get up in front of the receivers, and not allow that quick game to be as timely as they wanted to be. So I like them because I just feel like it'll be whoever can score because scoring is going to be at a premium. Whoever can score, I just, I feel like the Houston Texans aren't going to allow. be nice to see CJ have kind of a resurgence. Because if he does that, they can get to the Super Bowl. Yeah.

I mean, it is, it does. The AFC is open. During this six-game playoff losing streak, the number, the Steelers have been blown out. They have not scored a single first quarter point. It has been so lopsided almost instantly in these games. I just don't think that's going to happen in, tonight's game. I also think having DK Metcalf back,

Metcalf all of a sudden, plus Gainwell, he's the key. Right. And also, lastly, KW likes to say to the audience that I try to look at his notes to steal points. You definitely do. Read the only thing you typed up for this segment. I have a few things.

No, the only thing, your big headline. I didn't realize. I looked over at what KW had. Just read it to the audience. I don't know if you should read that. Just read it. I don't know. I mean, Rogers throws fast.

That's his prep. His prep. That's his analysis. Guess what? It's the key to the game. It's the key of the whole game. Sorry, I made the whole analysis. I look down.

I'm like, oh, K.W. It's got a gym. I'm not reading that. Live from New York, it's first thing's first overtime today. How did the Bears pull off this comeback? Danny Parkins was in the building, and he has not changed his outfit. Meanwhile, is there one person who deserves the lion's share of the blame for the Eagles' loss and offensive woes this year? And finally, what did Josh Allen prove with a win over the Prince in Jacksonville?

We discuss alongside Chris Massard, Nick Wright, and a costume. Danny Parkins, who was going to regale us with his stories. I'm talking about this game. This is what I'm wearing. I'm Kevin Wild. Danny, can you give us a little sneak preview before we get into the game? You're the one surprising moment. Or I'll give you a better way. How was Brew received in Chicago?

Brew. Not very popular. A lot of love the show. A lot of shoutouts to the old radio show. Oh, yeah. A lot of tell Brew to put some respect on our name. What? I love him.

Jordan. Oh, that is the goat. I'm shocked that they don't love me there. They don't think you've had enough faith in Caleb. We'll call them cute, little lucky. That is definitely true. You were the least popular member of the show. More, less popular than wilds?

Yeah. That's shocking. Yeah. Come on, I'm beloved in Chicago. Me one, Gianna two, Nick three. Yeah. All right, we're starting with one of the best comebacks in playoff history. Bears put up 25 in the four.

to steal this game from the Packers. Here's a guy who took it up yet another notch. Ben Johnson. Panic, built for pressure. That's you got! That's the first one. That's the first one. All right?

That's what we had to do. To do what you just did, I said it at halftime, right? This is one that you'll never forget. This is one you'll never forget, all right? Green on in. Danny, how did your bears pull this off? Magic. I told you.

I told you. Bunch of haters that I got to deal with. All of his dumb analysis came true. Every single piece of it. I told you, just believe. I can't. You guys have all watched sports long enough. Sometimes, I know as a golfer,

I pray to the golf god. Like there are weird things that happen. The Packers were dominating that game. Jordan Love looked great. The Bears' defense looked terrible. Ben Johnson went for it on fourth down inside his own 35-yard line in the second quarter. And we were talking about it. Me and my friends, my nephew people I was at the game with were saying it was the right call

because it was so obvious that the Bears defense was just going to get gashed all night. And so that they were going to need to figure out a way to win a shootout and turn it into the Niners game that we watched a couple of weeks ago. And then halftime hits after McManus misses the field goal. So it's 21-3. And it had been snowing and it's freezing. And the Bears are just getting their teeth kicked in. And we're all sitting there talking and we're like,

you just got to get a stop to start the third quarter. and then Caleb Magic. Like, my whole life as a Bears fan has been based in earned cynicism. And this, we just kind of believed. We kind of just thought, well, if you just make it close, and then one thing happens,

like this was a, you can't really explain it, divine intervention, high-fiving strangers type of game. And it, it's, It was honestly beautiful. Like, I know you guys are going to make fun of me and mock me and all. And that's fine. Why would you possibly?

How could you? I think I look great. I don't get. It's all that matters. But seriously, it was sports are, they matter. Like, they just matter. And this rivalry matters. And like Ben Johnson doubling down on it today and saying, I don't like them.

Like, it's a different. It's not Yankees' red. socks. We are neighbors with Wisconsin. Like my dad's whole family is from Wisconsin. We work with these people. We're married to these people. It's like it's the Packers don't even have an owner. The fans own the team. The Bears are descendants of George Hallis. It's just different. And Caleb Williams now has as many wins against the Packers as Mitch Trubisky, Jay Cutler, and Justin Fields combined. Like it's just, it feels different. It feels like the turning of a page. And again, Again, I said it in the walking video.

I'm not a religious person. It honestly felt like a sports religious experience to be there on Saturday night. And I'm telling you right now, Chicagoans agree with me. That is not overstating. Well, listen, the broadcast talked about how early in the game, the crowd seemed dead. And by late in the game, the Herb Street and Michaels were saying that it would, Michael said it's the loudest he's ever heard that stadium. A beat writer for 25 years. He felt it.

It was insane by the end. And so, and your point about just believing, I think for different reasons, less supernatural and Brewson than I think yours, it seems, Brew, you had the same belief at the end, like that Caleb is now. Caleb, yeah, I was saying Danny earlier, a feeling that I've really only had with Mahomes over the last few years, I had with Caleb when he had. at the ball at the end of the game. What were you saying?

I'm sorry. No, no, go ahead. You missed the broadcast when they were going to that every like. Oh, is this joke? Is this joke done? I got some age cheddar for you, Brew. Go ahead. Again, it's not very popular in Chicago.

No, but I felt like Caleb was there and look at it. It was unbelievable. Like he was going to get it done. Allegiant. I felt like he was going to get it done at the end of the game. And I, as, and I think you can make an argument. argument that J-Lo outplayed him. But for all of that, I'm going to eat this later.

For all of that, I did not have that feeling when the Packers got the ball at the end, that J-Lo was going to, for many reasons, but J-Lo was going to make it happen. So did the game convert you? As far as what? A believer. I wouldn't say that. A believer in terms of you guys. The Bears, in Caleb.

I mean, I thought they- were a good team. You know, I picked them to make the playoffs. And, but I picked the Packers in this game. But Caleb, he is dynamic at the end of games. There's no question. But the Packers helped them out. So I, so to me, I think the, to answer that how did they pull off this comeback.

I obviously Caleb, I think Caleb made one of, as far as singular plays, given the context of, if you don't make this play, you lose the game. It's the playoffs. They went on to win it. One of the best plays since I've been on TV. That fourth and eight throw, I do not think it is prisoner of the moment. I do not think it is hyperbole to say, I think this is one of the best plays in the last decade in the NFL when you put all things together. Caleb obviously was sensational in moments. Ben Johnson, after being, it felt a little on tilt in the first half, was, as young people would say, in his bag late in the game. It felt like he set up that the game winning touchdown was set up early in the game when they actually made that a screen,

ran the same thing. And then it was also, you know, aided and abetted by some outrageous Packers play calling decisions and plays that they made. And just met like, Like the missed field goals, the missed extra point. The delay a game out of a timeout, which caused that field goal to be 44 yards instead of 33. Throwing deep. But I think, but so I feel like because you are from there and there's also, I'll share it. There's also when Danny says like my, you know, families or whatever, like Danny's late father is a big Packer fan. Like there's a lot and there's a lot of, you know, stuff mixed up in that.

where this moment is bigger than for you, I think I look at it as a planning of the flag for Caleb in his career. And that I feel like those of us who thought coming out of school, this guy is the next great quarterback in this league. Now, Drake May, I didn't, you know, I thought it was going to be good. I didn't see this. But I thought Caleb was going to be a future MVP. I got a little squeamish on it. You never doubted. But I think this was, we can now say for the first time since draft day, he's back on schedule.

I think for number one overall pick generational quarterback, he now is on schedule for that. Generational? Because if you're, whatever your hopes for Caleb were, here's what I would say. I think he has under, like for generate, like future league MVP, he has underachieved in the regular season through. two years, if that's their trajectory. But this is such a, to already have this type of playoff moment in your first ever playoff game, that then to me gets him back on schedule where I feel

like, as good as Jordan Love was, he's the best quarterback in that division. I feel like, depending on if Stafford wins the Super Bowl and retires, he could go into next year as the best quarterback in that conference. Like that. And so that, to me, is what is so promising about that game, and then we'll see how he plays this week. Dan, can I ask you a question that I'm confused by?

Because I did offer up the analysis and really recommendation to Caleb that he's had so many fourth quarter combats and it's been so excellent in the fourth quarter. I kicked around the Maverick idea of instead of just playing good in the fourth quarter. Yeah. Play good the entire game. I passed it along. Again, he opted not to. Interceptions.

And he's like, I'm still going to do what we've been doing. Play the ball. So how are you wrapping your head around? that of just not having a complete game from start to finish, but having a 12 of 10 game at the very end. Well, it's a pretty exciting ceiling. And, like, if this is the, this is year one of Caleb and Ben Johnson. Like, I think they're ahead of schedule as a rookie head coach second year quarterback duo

that lost 10 straight games last year and won five games total. Like, they're now one of the- The duo can be ahead of schedule with Caleb not being ahead of schedule. Sure. that's fine but like I can't wait to see what Caleb is next year but for now because everyone is so flawed do it this way

that's fine like is this is this sustainable like the logical side of my brain would say no but magic and the Pope and divine intervention and my late brother and father smiling down and wanting me to have these moments in a Bears Packers rivalry with my nephew who did a great job filming all that social media content by the way like we owe him some money yeah absolutely The down, the fact that they're three and three down ten with five minutes left and the rest of the league's three and one, fifty.

Yeah, it's wild. That doesn't feel like it's something you can build on for next year, but it does feel like something that actually helps them next week. Like, are they the only team in the league that if they're down more than one score in the fourth quarter feels fine? That's my, you know what I mean? Probably, but the thing is, like, whatever. What I think it's confusing, it's not like he doesn't get tight. He gets, and he doesn't get better. He gets peak quarterback ever.

Like, it's, it's, we've never seen a guy go from here to the ceiling when he's losing by multiple scores. It's a fascinating. It's fascinating. You did a great job. Now we're going to go to the other. I had a lot more stories for you. Your other guy. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Do we have to? Yeah. Going to the Nike. game, every playoff tilt was close. First four games were decided by a total brew of 14 points. Patriots won by 13. Herbert put up three.

120 fewer yards than Drake through the air to secure the Patriots win. And for me, Seafood Tower. Here's Harbaugh on Herbert's abysmal performance. Just kidding. Here's Harbaugh on O.C. Greg Roman. Right now, I don't have the answers, as I said. We're going to look at that, you know, and everything. And it really falls on me and that we weren't at our best tonight.

I don't have the answers. I wish I did. But we'll work hard. It'd be a new beginning. Should this loss change your personal view of Justin Herbert? I will just tell you how it feels for me. I'm not going to tell other people how to think. It changes mine a little.

I'll admit it. Like, hey, that's a big movement for me. I'm shocked that he struggled as much as he did. I'm shocked by it. You're shocked by something that's only ever happened happening? That's correct. Okay. I looked at those events as outlier events, and now it has happened a third time,

which out of 98 career games, 95 in the regular season, three in the playoffs, how much weight am I supposed to put on those three playoff games? Some. Like, yeah. And I think that reasonable minds can disagree on how much. Like, and so, yeah, it surprised me. The Patriots are not a great pass rush and against a terrible offensive line, had an above average pass rush by pressure rate in that game.

And late in the game, they were dominant. But he had time early. And there wasn't a lot of separation, but there was some. Like the all 22 Twitter has found some throws that, not that Herbert missed in terms of, like, he threw them and they didn't execute, but just like, missed in, he didn't throw him. Right? So, yeah, I think it's fair to downgrade Herbert a bit. And it's fair to next year when the playoffs come around have this tag hanging over him on like a real belief on whether he could get it done.

But I think he now still is on a Peyton Manning-esque track. I do personally because I know what. There's no way. his third. Peyton Manning lost his first three playoff games. And if you don't like Peyton Manning, what about a guy who went to a Super Bowl and won an MVP and Matt Ryan? Or what about a guy who won a Super Bowl?

I could live more with that. Exactly. What about Matt Stafford? Yeah, I don't. So all three guys started O and three in the playoffs. And after their O and three start, and I know what you said earlier, and it's correct. Like, it doesn't mean that it can happen in the future.

It's just now I'm talking about projections. But if the question is, do I still believe that, Justin Herbert will win a league MVP, win a Super Bowl, and win a Super Bowl MVP? Yes, I do. But is the criticism in the present tense fair? Sure. Also, fire Greg Rowland.

I tend to agree with you. The next person we got to fire. Another person sacrificed at the altar of armed talent from the combine six years ago. Yeah. Go ahead. No, look, I thought some of the play caller was bad in the red zone. And so I'm with you.

I don't think he's the coordinator for Herbert. However, you got to stop comparing him to Peyton Manning. Like, Peyton Manning is one of the five greatest quarterbacks ever. And this is. He's not going to be that. And also, he's not elite. Now, I'm not saying he can't ever get there because I like the arm talent and all that too. And I'm surprised by how poorly he has played in the playoffs.

But he looks like a different quarterback in the playoffs. And there is, sorry. No, go ahead. Go, just there's no, no, no. I, you are being far more measured now than you were last night or this morning when I talked to you about this. Go ahead. And I think I can bait you into talking about how you, because when Danny says he's downgraded,

what he means is I used to have him ahead of Joe Burrow in my personal quarterback rankings, and now I have him as the sixth best quarterback in the league. That's what he mean. Sixth as downgrade. That's what he means. And we say, and we are not. What we're not going to do is do a season of Peyton Manning, year six, and not do a final tale of the tape of Herbert versus Peyton Manning in year six. Because here is what Peyton Manning's playoff game in year six looked like.

And here's what Justin Herbert said. I would admit it was slightly different. Peyton Manning won by 30 and had the only perfect passer rating of a 20 on a high passage game in the history of the playoffs. Justin Herbert did what he did it last night. That was bad. Here's what their seasons looked like. Peyton Manning, led the league in passing yards, had a better, of course, such intersteration,

passer rating was first team all pro, one league MVP, and made it the conference championship game. So that's where he is. And you can cherry pick, hey, here's the full list of good quarterbacks that started their career 0 and 3 in the playoffs. But there's no getting around this piece of it, because you're like, why can't he be Matt Ryan

or Matt Stafford? Career passer rating, you're not gonna see through three playoff games. Lowest career passer rating, minimum three starts. Dalton, Herbert, Brad Johnson, Carson, Palmer, Rex Grossman. And when I told you this morning, why can't he be a stronger armed rich man's Andy Dalton? You thought it was outrageous. Because it is.

Okay, but, but, it is out. It is out. Let it make the point. Here's the thing, Danny, Danny, Danny, It's outrageous. Through six years, he is so much, has more in common with Andy Dalton than any of the quarterbacks you're talking about. Okay. Through six years, he is a, he is closer to Andy Dalton and Peyton Manning, and it's inarguable.

Oh, wait, no, wait, inarguable. Excuse me, I'm sorry. Because Nick is doing a very, he's doing a little sleight of hand here. We're showing the two lowest career passer rating quarterback's careers. That's all it is. That's number one and number two, worst career playoff faster rating for their careers. Would you agree that touchdowns kind of matter there? You're saying that a 160 to 97 touchdown to turnover ratio for Dalton is similar to 178 to 68?

No, he does a better job of taking care of the ball. And scoring touchdowns, Nick. The guy on the right, Justin Herbert, that's 2.6 to 1 touchdowns to turnover. The guy in the left is 1.6 to 1. Do you know what Patrick Mahomes' touchdowns to turnover ratio is? 2.9. Herbert is an excellent player. He's excellent.

He's been bad in three playoff games. He's been really bad in two and a half playoff games. He is an excellent football player. He is not Andy Dalton. That is ridiculous. Danny, I didn't say he's Andy Dalton. I say he's a stronger-armed rich man's Andy Dalton at the moment. And what I'm, what I don't know, it is the only reason to argue that he is on a Peyton Manning

or could one day be one of these legendary players. trajectory is because we have decided the games don't actually matter. Of course they matter. And the go ahead, Bruce. Both you guys are at extreme. Like Andy Dalton's too low. I don't think he's in the old. I mean, I just can't look at stats.

And Danny's right. The touchdown interception ratio is not close. But I can't, even if it were, it's more than just stats. You know, like he, Herbert is better than Dawton. I agree. But Peyton Manning is a ridiculous comparison. too. Like you got to stop that. He's, like Nick said,

Peyton Manning is one of the five best quarterbacks ever. He literally changed the game. We did not think that's six years into his career though. He won't league and be P in year six, buddy. But we did not think he was one of the five best quarterbacks. No, we saw how he was changing the game too by calling it at the line of scrimmage and all that stuff. Like Herbert's not about to change the game like that.

And I- most passing yards through six years. And I just passing yards, it's not important. But a lot of times that doesn't always, you know, mean, it's positive. He has, I mean, you get blown out. There is no quarterback in league history who's lost three straight playoff games with their

defense forcing 10 turnovers until Herbert. This, we do this whole, listen, his offensive line's brutal. His, he has in all three of his playoff games, his defense has put him in the catbird seat. And even in that Texans game, they had a lead before he started throwing it away. They got four picks against Trevor. and yesterday that game was there for the taking and he couldn't come through. And I did not pick Andy Dalton up out of nowhere. It's literally the two lowest career playoff passer rating guys.

That's what it is. And again, do I think he is Andy Dalton? Of course not. But do I think he is more likely to have that type of career than go on to be a league MVP, He's Super Bowl MVP when we've literally never seen him play one good playoff game. Of course I think that. Do you think Justin Herbert would have been better off missing the playoffs narrative-wise? Yeah, maybe.

Well, then that's ridiculous. He carried this team. You said narrative-wise. Danny, they had a top-five scoring defense all year. Yesterday their defense allowed 16 points. I mean, I just don't know. It's ridiculous. Last year, they had the number one scoring defense in football, and he carried the team,

crew four picks. Like, at some point, there has to be some accountability for a three-point playoff game. I feel like we didn't talk enough about the seafood tower that did. I do you have a seafood tower. Well, it turned into an episode of Frenomies. Yeah. Seafood Tower because Drake May didn't play well and easily outplayed modern day.

Whatever you want it, buddy. Hayton Manning. And that's all of us, right? Jail and Earth. Seafoods all around. In the Eagles next. In July, wild tip. Yeah.

July, we'll get out with us to do. Our next dinner. Thanks for hanging out with the O.T. We got Greg Jennings and Willie Colon out here. We go to Philadelphia. The defending champs, well, they got upset and eliminated from a shot at going back to back by the short-handed San Francisco 49ers. Jalen Hertz, he was asked about it, his growth with Kevin Petulow.

Tough time to answer this question, but, hey, your offense is bad. Do you and the offensive coordinator see a future together? Take a look. I think I'm always growing. I'm always taking in my experiences and learning from everything. that we go through. I think it's tough to single out one individual,

especially in a moment like this. We all got to improve and that's how I look at everything that we go through. Willie, what would you say is the biggest reason the Eagles lost in the Niners? You know, for me it was the Eagles receiving corps is the biggest letdown. The fact

that you had to Marcus Robinson and Juan Jennings have more production than the entire Eagles receiver corps is a problem. The Marcus Russell, the Marcus Robinson, excuse me, was suspended three games this season. He was a no-show. He turned out to be the X-factor for the Niners. And when you talk about the Eagles offensively, coming out of halftime, you've got to have some blood in your mouth.

You've got to feel like we've got to put the knife to this team and you didn't. To score no points in the third and to look absolutely inemic in the fourth quarter and be absolutely horrible in situational football was gagging. I was shocked they were that bad. But then at the same time you go back to the Bills game, that was the second team. That's exactly what they did in the second half of that Bills team. The Bills game. So I was shocked that this Eagles receiving court didn't show up and kind of elevate the game.

It was just a bad day for A.J. Brown and Smitty, man, four drops. Receiver? Your stars weren't stars. It's period. When you look at last year, their run, their ability to make big plays, their ability to get the ball to their playmakers, Sequin Barclay, obviously A.J. Brown, the receivers,

Devonte Smith and Goddard, Goddard, who actually stepped up. But when your number is dialed up, like consecutively dialed up, and you fail to make those plays. And then in critical moments of the game, you fail to make those plays. And conversely, to your point, the opponent who just have been making plays with guys being out losing their best,

their kind of vocal, emotional leader in George Kittle, and then everybody's still feeling like, you know what, we've been here before, let's continue to do it. It was just, it was shocking. See, now you both have said the word shocking, and I understand what you're saying because, like, the film in the moment is shy. Like, A.J. Brown, he's a top 10 receiver.

He drops a pass that hits him in his hands. That, like, individual result is shocking. But the Eagles offense not showing up. That part wasn't shocking. Because we've seen, but what I thought was unique about this particular game, because we've seen Jalen Hertz have less than 200 yards 10 times this year.

Bryce Young is the only guy to do it more. We've seen them score 20 or fewer points nine times this year. Same number as the Jets and the Titans. Like we've seen the Eagles offense be bad. The anatomy of this one against San Francisco, given how bad the Niners defense was, I want to show you guys a few things here.

If I show you these three things at the top, the average time to pressure, was over three seconds. That's an eternity. You've done your job if you get three and a third seconds before pressure gets to your quarterback. Pressured on 16% of your dropbacks. Justin Herbert's pressured at 48%.

Like that is all day. Sacked one time. That would suggest offensive explosion. And instead you got this. Yeah, but we also got to understand the nine of some this standpoint. They don't have the personnel to get home with their front floor.

We understand that. They're not a heavily, they're not a heavy blitz team. From a schematic standpoint, they play a BIMBA don't break. The problem was the Eagles never adjusted. Like, I watched the Eagles play not to lose, and I felt like the Niners play with way more hard, and they said, man, we're going to go get this thing.

There was just a different level of intensity. So if you're the Eagles, like I understand what the Niners did, but that's who they've been all season. Right. I guess my point, though, is if your quarterback has all day in a minute to throw and you have those skill positions, guys, you're supposed to move the ball. And that's why it was.

was shocked because it was different. Like, we've seen them not be able to get A.J. Brown or Devante Smith the ball for whatever reason. Like, why aren't they throwing them the ball? Why aren't they doing anything productive in the passing game? In this game, we saw them target them actually be able to get them the ball and they not come through. We hadn't seen that part. And that's why it was so shocking and starting. And I didn't know those were the numbers in terms of the time.

that Jalen Hertz had in the time that the offense aligned. You sit in the pocket. Yeah, but I'm saying those numbers, when you sit on the field and you know he has a lot of time. Three seconds, like that's on average. That is an eternity for a receiver to uncover, to get open, to create separation, to give you a quarterback an opportunity to hit you with the ball and then you make plays after it when you get the ball in your hands. We weren't, we're not accustomed to seeing that from that group of skill position as we pertain,

Look at the Eagles. And I also think we got to give Brady a lot of credit in the cast because he talked about it. When you're struggling to finances on offense, you've got to pick up the tempo. Philly never did that to late in that game. Like there was some design quarterback programs that I feel like sparked that offense and it never got going. It felt like they were asleep the most of the second half. I'm kind of shocked Kevin Petulose still has his job right now to be totally honest with you. To Jacksonville, Josh Allen.

He got his first road playoff win thanks to the game winning drive and then the game sealing interception from Trevor Lawrence. Josh Allen on his mindset heading into that final go-ahead drive take a listen we have all three timeouts we had enough time on the clock to run our offense where there was no panic no rush to have the the wherewithal to again not blink and I think that's just the mantra that we've have adopted this this year of we've got time left and we got the ball we got a shot and you saw that there today so I'll tell you guys what impressed me the most about this performance because this was my Super Bowl pick, this is my MVP pick, and Josh Allen.

And it's just, he is a singular talent. Like, I can make the argument that he's the best player in football, and it's going to be a great conversation this offseason. Like, is the best player in football title now, Josh Allen's and Patrick Mahomes is. I'm not terribly interested in, like, doing that every time, like, just about this game. He is a singular talent. 35 pass attempts, nearly 300 yards, then the two rushing touchdowns. He's just in control of everything.

The numbers are great, and I could give you a million. million of them. But this is a, like, he just, he just, like, lowers his shoulder into defensive players, linebackers, safeties, it doesn't matter. And he just meets them with force. And he gets hit and he still throws it with force. He's just a, he's like a polar bear with a cannon of an arm. Like, it's just a unique thing in the football ecosystem that he's so incredibly fun to watch. And that's why the analysis of, well, I mean, yeah, the bills are flawed, but they got Josh Allen. I think it's actually pretty good analysis because they do have Josh Allen. When you have the best player remaining, you have the opportunity.

But that's more of a basketball point than a football point. But when it's the quarterback and when you look at the field and you look at the offenses that you're going to have to play, it's a very defensive strong field, especially in the AFC. When you look at the Steelers. Sure, the gap between him and Bo Nicks and all these guys. It's massive. But what was so impressive to me was you go in, you lean. into your run game. You have the rushing leader. Obviously we know who Jacksonville are as it pertain to stop in the run. But you know the bill still try to find a way to lean into it. They couldn't do it.

This was the worst output that they have put out all season long and typically when this happens, what do we see Josh Allen? Do we see him put on a cape and try to be heroic? He didn't try to be heroic. He was very methodical. He was the level of effort. execution and decision making was at a premium. And this was an a plus job of him not making mistakes to make it worse because they couldn't run the ball already. You knew your defense were getting stops. Josh Allen, this in my opinion was the best I've seen him in a postseason game in a long

time. Yeah, to be considered elite quarterback, you got to be tough and you got to be able to close games. He did both in this game. I thought they knocked him around earlier. I thought they knocked them out, especially on that, you know, the go ahead run. when his knee got twisted up. I thought it was ACL.

But what you saw in the last minute in that game, it was like 226. He drives the team, 66 yards. And I'm saying to myself, man, the ability to put on a cape is one thing, but there's another thing to have that killer instinct. And when you see it in one drive, it's impressive. And you got to understand,

the bills didn't want the tush push, right? This was the one team that stood on the table and they didn't want the tush push in the league anymore. And they say, you know, well, we can't beat them, join them. And they pretty much rolled the Jaguars like cheap carpet. I think Josh Allen right now, is playing out a level that it's not that we haven't seen it before.

I think it's just will to win when everything else seems like it's deficient around him. You're talking about Khalil Shakur being his main target. You don't know which titan is going to pop out of the tape. You erase his run game in James Cook. The officer line is getting beat up up front. He says, you know what? Hold my beer. I got it from here.

We've seen it week after week. I'm with you DP. He's probably the best in the league right now. Yeah, he's a crazy. I still would have had him kneel. I would have done it. I would have done it. I would have kneel, run down that clock and then trust him to sneak it in later.

Jacksonville's got one of the best kickers in the league. You gave him a minute left. I'm like, you scored too fast. Can't play skin. I understand. Come on, McDermott. Come on, McDermott. Come on, but you got a guy on the other side that hasn't proven that he can do it.

No, I know, but just, just, you know, but just tick, tick, the clock is your friend. I was like, you just kneel at one time. Time now for a little edition of he said, we said, the wild card weekend was spectacular. To put it another way, wild. Let's hear from some of the best sound from the weekend. Then you give us, we give you the analysis, you get it. First up, Greg, plug your yours. Jordan Love and Caleb Williams,

they had different perspectives, believe it or not, on that second half comeback. I think it's just a situation we put ourselves in, you know. Jumping out to a lead and doing what we wanted in the first half and then second half, kind of a completely different stories. It was the only option we had was to go out there and be legendary, to go out there and execute. They wanted us.

That's what I heard. They, uh, they wanted it and they got it. That is satisfied. Greg, would you like to try on my cheese grater? No, I'm cool. Sure?

Yeah, actually I would. Yeah, yeah, you know, all right. Sort of losing. Harsh. I will just say this. Why would I not be a soldier? No, I'm a sore winner. The rivalries are good for sports.

Yes, yes. It is good. that Ben Johnson said F the Packers and that he doubled down on it today. Like, less hate in the world, more hate in sports. Like, they wanted us, they got us, is what Caleb should say.

And by the way, you guys can believe it or not, when Aaron Rogers said, I own you, I was doing radio at the time, I said, I love it. Like, trash talk is good. It is good for sports if these teams genuinely do not like each other. And so it added to the moment of that.

It was spectacular. I enjoyed every minute. I'm guessing you did as well. Yeah, you know, like, so obviously it pained me to watch that just complete debacle for on the Green Bay side. But you're absolutely right. When you when you look at these two teams and this rivalry, this is fantastic. Now, I didn't like the result. However, if I close my eyes and I just think about what happened without the color of the jersey of the opponent that we were going up against, it was impressive. and they forced the Packers' hand. Like Caleb said it was our only option. There's two different approaches that happened in that second half.

It was one team that was playing to protect the lead, and rightfully so, I get that. And another team that was like at all costs, we have to go and get it. And that's exactly what they did. Dennis Allen, pressured, ratcheted it up in the second half. You saw Jordan Love get uncomfortable and didn't have the guys running free the way that he did in the first half. So look, man, it was a great game, didn't like the output because I'm biased.

I'm on the Packer side of things. But too many mistakes by the Packers, and in the Bears defense, they forced a lot of those mistakes. Yeah, listen, the Packers going cold in the second half was joining, but I thought one guy that stood out was Colston Loveland, man. He had a monster game. You think? Eight receptions are 1303. I mean, he was a menace in the middle of the field. And you understand, he was running those isolation routes.

Those isolation routes go to him, right? They go to your receiver number one. He became the receiver one at Alpha Dog. And I thought he was the security blanket for Caleb. He was the engine that built that offense. He was everything. Was he their number one option? Oh, my gosh, who knew?

And so when I talk about everything that's, yeah, it's, I mean, it's, it was. No, it was disgusting to watch because it's like, can you guard this guy? They couldn't. I'm sorry. Let's move on. Drake May. That win was a win without his best performance, which, hey, is a skill in a toe of itself. Take a listen.

Finally got one in the end zone, but I missed hoop on a touchdown. Had some other guys that I feel like I missed Pop on a third down low. It wasn't my best tonight, but hey, you know, that's why you have teammates and those guys pick me up. And, you know, never lost confidence. Everybody's got, you know, that's the thing about us. We spread it around and can do a lot of things. Yeah, style points don't really matter in the playoffs if you win. And Drake May, we know he's awesome.

And also, I will say the Chargers pass defense. I was doing it on the stats and PAC stats and everything leading into the week. Chargers pass defense is really good. Best pass a rating against of any defense since 2012. So, like, the fact that they held Drake May under all of his averages and made him struggle wasn't surprising to me. I thought the Chargers were going to give him more. But, like, Drake May having a pedestrian game but still winning, he should be happy about it

because it would probably be easier for him going forward. Yeah, I couldn't tell if the Chargers' office line was that bad or the past defense had it rock. You know, it was... Their offensive line is that bad. But it was a sense where I was like, man, late in this game and when things seemed like they were getting out of hand, I really wanted them to pull Justin Herbert because I'm like, you're not only going to lose this game, but you may not have him from next season.

Like that hit he took when he flop back like a dummy, I said, you may lose him for next season. That was a big one. It was brutal. But I also look at this Patriots team. You got to give credit to Mike Grable, man. They play like how he played. I played against Mike Vrabble. He was disciplined.

He was scrappy. He talked to a whole lot of junk, and he backed it up. They play exactly like this. And there's not a lot of stars on this Patriot defense, but it felt like they arrived watching this game, man. They're talking about flat out getting after Herbert. They mixed up the stunts. They were doing everything they wanted to dictate the game, and they played on their terms,

man. So credit to the past, man. They're moving on. Yeah, there was so much talk about who they hadn't played, the weakness of their schedule, the lack of opponents, all those things. And you have a player, a player. player's coach and a head coach that has been through it, understand, knows how to communicate that to his team.

You heard Caleb Williams say they wanted us, they got us, we got them. Well, there was talk that the charges want them. Yeah. And they want their actions more than your words. Absolutely. Absolutely. And when you feel that type of way, you communicate to that, to your outfit and they go out and play that way.

I felt like they actually look really good defensively. And offensively, I don't think there could have been a better scenario for Drake May, where he struggled. You see some issues, some lows in his game, and he has some adversity, if you will, and he has to overcome it. And he did. And he started to settle into the game in the second half

and make some of the throws that we became accustomed to seeing all season long. I thought this is exactly what you want in the first playoff game for your game. Perfect going one for 10 on third down was, I was like, just get him off the field. I mean, you talked about receivers in the Eagles game. Don't want for 10 was...

Listen, the Chargers offense, one for 10 on third down, one for three on fourth down, 160 passing yards, they were terrible. Patriots, though, you like their defense. They get the winner of Steelers, Texans, like, not an explosive offensive unit that they're going to get on either side of it. So if you think they've actually arrived, it's a pretty good draw for the Patriots. I'm skeptical, but... There's one name that pops off the tape on the Patriot's demons,

and that's Christian Gonzalez. He got hurt that game. Yeah, the concussion. But now you're talking about Milton Williams, Barmore, you're talking about this collectively as a unit. They got after the charges. To the point, it looked like they wanted to tap. They could have tapped.

They would have tapped. But they couldn't because, you know, we got TV rights. You got to keep playing. Yeah, it's 60 minutes, right? You got to play all four quarters. I've heard that. Willie Steelers tonight against the Texans. Aaron Rogers shot it pulling off that upset.

We'll get into it. Coming up on the O.T. Can he do it again? I like the arrival videos because it's a way to take attendance. Aaron Rogers, he showed up. He's going to be at the game tonight. Shades, hoodie, backpack. It's a good look.

It's the time for the Steelers. Right. It's one of the first things is the quarterback here. Okay, he is. Check. Willie, confidence level. What are you want me to say? When you ask me questions like this,

I get annoyed because what do you want me to sit here and bash my Steelers? I feel like we got the better quarterback, the better number one receiver. We got an office line that's going to be ready to fight, a defense who I feel after they're super. We've been so much talking about this Houston, Texas defense. This is a call to action for our defense.

Show up, get it done. We don't lose on Monday night. We beat the Texas. Take your barbecue and send it back to Houston. I heard you say the better quarterback, better number one receiver. Did you say better defense? You didn't say that part? You want me to say that out loud?

Say it with your chest. I mean, because it didn't sound like you said it. You listen to stats. I go by feel. The eye test is my thing. The eye test is my thing. And I would say, you made me feel like, you know, that expression. there's no such thing as a stupid question.

Maybe me asking you how you felt about the Steelers I had it tonight. Maybe a stupid question. I will say this. Rogers is playing the best football of his season late, which is a good sign. Like it's a weird thing. I trust Aaron Rogers more than C.J. Stroud, which speaks to how shaky C.J. Stroud has been. But I do think the Texans defense has just been.

It's just been better. And I think the thing that they are best at is the thing that Aaron Rogers doesn't want, generating quick pressures. Like Will Anderson is one of the best quick pressure guys in the league. And so Rogers is a big snap and throw guy. I don't love the matchup for Rogers who clearly doesn't want to get. And you don't love the match of CJ Strabs, especially if we start blitzing. I expected it to be a low scoring game. Yeah.

And they can bring pressure without bringing, or they can get pressure without bringing pressure. That's the part that's exciting if you're that defense. And then they got the guys on the outside that can match up with you in the secondary. But this is going to be. You're talking about the Texas? I'm talking about the Texas. Oh, do you know who TJ Waters? T.J. Wattis.

Alex Highsmith? I'm going to say. I just saw it's in clarification because we do have this rush. I mean, you can say the same thing. It's going to be a very low scoring yet. I'm just saying, don't see tomorrow on the O.T. And I'm joining, wake up bar stool. Big Cat asks, I show up.

Talk to you tomorrow morning. Let's go, Steelers.