First Things First - Bills fire Sean McDermott, Bo Nix out for season, Patriots beat Texans, Rams beat Bears

Episode Date: January 20, 2026

(0:00) Broncos beat Bills, Did Caleb Williams impress despite the loss? (28:08) Patriots beat Texans, Can New England win the Super Bowl? (43:32) Seahawks beat 49ers, What went wrong for San Francisco? (48:45) Bills fire Sean McDermott, Should Josh Allen be blamed for the loss? (01:11:14) Seahawks Super Bowl favorites, Did the Rams impress? (01:22:23) How has Drake Maye performed in the playoffs so far? (01:28:49) Bears lose in ‘heartbreaker’, Right move to fire Sean McDermott? (01:53:17) Broncos have any chance without Bo Nix? (02:01:58) He Said We Said (02:11:05) Right move to fire Sean McDermott? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Live from, oh my goodness, it's super early. I was not expecting this, guys. Oh, my goodness, gracious. I come with an offering. An offering. A pair of sunglasses that you can put on. Brew, I know you had the Texans, and I know you don't believe in the Broncos.

Nick, you certainly do not believe in the Broncos. You both need AFC teams. I welcome you. I invite you. I implore you to put on the sunglasses, just like I am beloved in Kansas City, and join me in walking through the door of destiny. You don't have to do it now. You certainly can, but this door will be here perhaps also. They're here for you.

You know it's happening. We introduced the door of destiny months ago. Everyone's like, oh, that's a funny thing. We got a door. next thing you know we're in the AFC championship against a backup quarterback who we know isn't good because he was on the Patriots. Nick, can I entice you to put on the sunglasses?

Can I see him? Yes. Take these ones. These are the good ones. See how they feel. See how they feel? Oh, yeah. Put them on. Put them on. Oh!

Get through the door. Get through the door. You know what I'm saying? Get through the door. Jared the javelin. I'm saying. I'm seeing. I'm seeing. You should have know a while. You should have know.

I'm telling you, you notice my jacket? You're a Broncos fan. Maybe I'm starting to believe in the Broncos a little bit. Bo Nix played pretty well this weekend, didn't he? He's not on the team. Well, Sean Payton coached him up. I'm not taking your stupid glasses when I walk through your stupid door. Can we start the real show?

I'll take shots at their good glasses. Maui Jimball. I won't throw him, but no. Bill eliminated. McDermick gone. What's next for Josh and Buffalo? Literally the most amazing play I've seen in my entire life is Caleb set up perfectly for next year. And finally, guess which team is on the doorstep of Destiny?

Coach Man Jeannie is joining us. Perhaps he wants to walk through the doorstep of Destiny. What are they have their own box? I like them. They used to be my guys. Now they're your guys, but even when they were my guys, they never got their own box. full show. We're actually going to start with the bill. Gentlemen, can you play us out if that's okay?

Oh, my good. What a start to the show. We are starting with the controversy of the Bill's game that may have cost Sean McDermott his job. Tied at 30 in overtime, Josh to Brandon Cook's to Jayquan McMillan Macmillan sets up the game winning kick for Denver. Here's McDermott, who by the way got fired post game. It's hard for me to understand why it was ruled the way it was ruled. and if it is ruled that way, then why wasn't it slowed down just to make sure that we have this right? I'm saying it because I'm standing up for Buffalo, damn it. I'm standing up for us.

Because what went on is not how it should go down in my estimation. These guys spent three hours out there playing football, pouring their guts out to not even say, hey, let's just slow this thing down. That's why I'm bothered. Look, we did turn the ball over three times, but not for her. Did Josh and the bills get robbed of he went? No, the whining about the officiating is embarrassing. I don't know if it's more embarrassing than the whole team being teary-eyed after a divisional round loss on the road, but it's pretty embarrassing. And it is par for the course.

The bills can't take playoff losses. lose the 13 second game, change the rules, NFL, and they did. Last year, we got those first downs on the tush push. We did. That's right. We got those first downs. I've watched it. I've watched it.

I know. I crossed my heart and hope to die. We got those. And this one, an odd but obvious interception is, I mean, what else could it have been? It certainly wasn't a catch, and it certainly wasn't in completion. it was interception. But they did all that because they were hurt

and they were wounded. And the only person who got why the game went the way it did was Josh Allen, who Josh Allen has more comfort and more ability in putting the blame on Josh Allen than seemingly anybody in the media

who claims love Josh Allen. They lost. that game because their superhero quarterback who I thought was going to win, who I have believed in all year long, who I was wrong, Wilds was right, that the plan of don't worry about the turnovers make superhero plays would blow up on him. You were right. He, four separate times, even if you remove one of the fumbles and that pick, lost him the game. And it's in sequence. It will show it in sequence. The fumble before the end of the first half

is as bad of a fumble as you will ever see from a veteran quarterback. And I got to listen to experts this morning giving more flack to the linemen for not falling on it than Josh for fumbling. That's the end of the first. That's actually true. Wow. Somebody said that.

That's the end of the first half. Then in the midst of the comeback, after Bo makes and Bo played great. You said it earlier, Brew, who's the best quarterback of the weekend. Credit to him. Josh does this. Now, is that a great defensive play?

Sure. Do you need to make this throw when you're on the cusp of field goal range? Certainly in mile high, you might already be in field goal range. Of course not. And then two times had the throw to win the game.

Do I think he would have scored a touchdown here if he would have caught it? Well, I don't know. He scored a touchdown. But he hops it to him. Yep. That's to go up eight points. And it's a very rare incompletion that we know what would have happened if it would have been in completion. And then this one, again, that would have been a great throw.

But I've been beat over the head for three months that he's the most talented quarterback in the history of the league. And dude is wide-off. Listen, I really, I have a ton of respect for Josh Allen. reasons I have a ton of respect for Josh Allen is he understood it. He was the biggest reason they lost. Was he the reason they are the bills? Yes. Was he the reason they were in that position? Yes. But he had four turnovers and two missed game winning throws.

That's why they lost, not because of the Calvin Johnson rule. That's what happened. Well, first of all, with the calls, you guys know, I don't want to hear you complaining about calls. I get that call as well as the package. interference, debatable and all that stuff, we've seen worse, unfortunately. It's unfortunate that there are calls like this, but all these calls are judgment calls. And Sean Payton has actually been on the wrong side of worse calls. Yeah, that's a good point.

So, you know, so nobody wants to hear that. They want to bring it up fine. But for Josh Allen, he said he felt like he let his team down. He did not let his team down because he is the. team. Without him, they're not in the playoffs. They're not a contender. None of that. So he can't let his team down. But that said, this loss is on him. There were two losses this weekend that are on the quarterbacks. We'll get to C.J. Stroud later. Those two. A lot of quarterbacks had turnovers this weekend and didn't play well. Those two, though, the losses were

on them. And Josh Allen does have to wear this because the number one job of the quarterback is to not turn the ball over. And he did it four times. Now, if you look at every single game, every single game, the team with the fewest turnovers, the quarterback who had the fewest turnovers, won the game.

Now, Drake had three, but the other quarterback had four. Three is okay. So that's what I'm saying. Whoever had the most turnover lost. What are you going to do? Right. And so, and you went through several of his,

His miscues, which I was going to do anyway, but it cost them nine points. All right. So three of his turnovers led to three field goals, nine points. You lost the turnover battle five to one. And you lost by three points in overtime. With all due respect to Denver, Buffalo was the better team. Yes. They just kept giving the ball away.

And so, yeah, this loss is on Josh Allen. Now look, he's been too good in the playoffs overall for us to say he's a choke artist or anything like that. But so it doesn't diminish him in my view. He blew a tremendous opportunity. And that is why I think Josh, Dionne Dawkins, Brandon Cooks, those are the three I saw. I don't know if anybody else was crying. But that's why, because they knew once the chiefs were out, they were like, this is. us.

Maybe they shouldn't have, but that is clearly why they felt it. And I've been telling you the bills were overrated all year. That is not a championship caliber defense in order to put up points. No, but don't you think they win if they don't, if Josh doesn't, if he has two turnovers. Yes, but in order to generate points, Josh has to do remarkable stuff. And when you, in order for him to do remarkable stuff, he has to live in the margins. And that's not going to go your way the entire year. I just want to push back on that it's wide open.

Mahomes wasn't there. They were going to go into New England and lose. We already saw them play the Texans. If that game got flipped, they would have lost to the Texans. And then the next round, that Seahawks defense, they would have lost again. I mean, you very well, hold on. You very well might be correct on that. And Brew might be correct that they didn't feel that way.

That's fair. That they felt like the Chiefs, the bills. Not that it was going to be easy. Right. But I think the bills feel like we, if Patrick Mahomes had chosen baseball, we'd be the dynasty. That we already would have three or four. Right. And so, but here is the pushback. Listen, Josh Allen, obviously, is an all-time great quarterback. And again, with, but you guys used to say it was like straw man when I was saying,

this guy said this, that Allen's better than Mahomes. It has become maybe fairly, because of, how Patrick played this year. The almost, certainly majority, if not universal opinion, that's the best player in the league. That's the best player in the league.

You hear it a lot. That's the guy. And so with, when that is what you are called, then the fine-tooth comb comes out. And it doesn't take a fine-tooth comb to see the four turnovers, but he has been flirting with

these big turnover games in the playoffs the last couple years. Last year against the Chiefs, the first two passes of the game hit Chiefs in the hands. Romo was like, oh my God, he almost threw two picks start the game. And he fumbled three times, and they recovered all three. In his career at this point, he is the greatest wildcard round quarterback ever. We can show you that it's undeniable. And the numbers after that round are not the same.

it's nine fumbles in eight games. It's four interceptions in eight games. Not fumbles lost. No, no, correct. Just fumbles. But like, you know, it's a game of chance whether or not you get them or you don't. Again, those aren't like bad numbers. 280, the win-loss record's bad.

And the fumbles. But the left-hand column is what creates the amazing post-season stats. And the right in the game, the 13th second game. Well, I'm glad you mentioned that. Because I'm about done feeling like, man, the bills were going to win that game. The 13 second game? Yeah. Oh.

You know, like the coin toss. Can we see Josh Allen and the bills win one single overtime game ever? That's weird. So the 13 second game, they didn't get the ball. Every other overtime game he's played in, they got the ball. they've gotten three points in those six games and here's Josh's numbers in those six games in overtime.

In the overtime? Yeah, of course, just in overtime. So there's always been this, oh man, they were going to, and he was playing so great that game. Maybe they would have. Maybe they would have. But I know that they had the opportunity in this overtime on Saturday.

They got the ball and they got zero points again. Here's the other thing that's interesting. And, you know, when they've lost to the Chiefs, it's been like, okay, the Chiefs are better, Mahomes, the champions, all that. His two worst playoff games since he became Josh Allen, you know, after his first playoff game, he was a... No, they were losses that they, most people expect, I don't know if they were favorite, you might know. Cincinnati, you're supposed to win that game. In Buffalo. It's snowing.

He's one of his worst playoff game until this one. and then this game when They weren't favored. Yeah, but a lot of people felt like they're going to beat Denver. He's Josh Allen and he plays. So it's almost like when they're expected to win, he has not been at his best. Which is, no, just the, I mean,

and now he's at eight playoff wins, and this is tough. I agree, bro. That's right. That was hitting the alarm saying we're going too long in this, but I still haven't dropped a banner yet. It's now, listen. He's an alarm of,

He's got eight playoff games. The other 30 quarterbacks with at least six have been to a Super Bowl. So without a Super Bowl appearance, the most playoff wins by a quarterback, it's Mark Brunel, Danny White, Philip Rivers, and then a three-win gap to Josh Allen. And so now part of that is not a bad. Like winning eight playoff games is amazing. Those numbers are amazing. He's the defending league MVP.

I think KW, it's fair to say he's the best to never do it. Listen, you think that's too mean? I don't know. Lamar might be. Well, I mean, odd to be. All right, let's give you to McDoward. After the game, Josh Allen went to the podium with tears in his eyes, largely blaming himself for the loss.

The organization disagreed. This morning, Sean McDermott fired by the, the bills. Cameron Wolf reporting that bill's players were shocked. One text said WTF. Here's McDermott's resume. Uh, win percentage, second best since he joined the bill. Seven 10 win seasons, eight playoff appearances, six division round of turn. Second best, but then they had a long drought before he showed up. So changes in Buffalo did McDermott deserve to be fired bro? Look, Sean McDermott's a very good coach. I think they had made the playoffs once in like 17 years.

before he got there and they made it eight out of nine or whatever it was under him. He's going, he's the reports of that he wants to coach next next year and I'm sure he'll get a job. He's a very good coach. And you guys know a few years ago, 22, 20, after that loss to the Bengals, I've been saying he should have been on the hot seat. Yep. I stopped saying it last year because I didn't feel like they had, I was on the record. Oh, they'll make the playoffs, but they're not a contender. they overachieved. I thought.

This year the same thing. So I think that he's done a good job, very good job, his whole time there, but particularly these last two years. However, here's the thing. He has had nine years with the bills, eight years with Josh Allen, and hasn't even reached the Super Bowl, let alone one one. And the standard's different in Buffalo. It just is now, because you're a contender.

every year now. Now it's you have to get over the hump. Don't give me if you're the Jets. Oh, we'd love to have Sean. Yeah, you would. And you'd love to be in that position. But once you get to that position, it's about getting over the hump.

And I do think there's reason to believe he can't or won't get them over the hump to win a Super Bowl. It would be hard. You saw the emotions in that locker room to come back next year and just let's do it again. I mean, you could. But hey,

Let's do the same thing. Here's the deal, Nick. His last five playoff games, this year blew a fourth quarter lead at Denver. Last year, blew a fourth quarter lead at Kansas City. The year before that, blew a fourth quarter lead at Kansas City. Year before that, blown out by Cincinnati at home. Year before that, blew a fourth quarter league at Kansas City. Are they blowing leads or is Mahomes coming back?

You're a defensive coach. So six, their last, hold on, their last six playoff losses, this defensive team has been really good several of these years. Have given up 33 and a half points a game. So look, I'm, so I think it's justifiable that you moved on. I wouldn't have raised a lot of noise if they hadn't, but I think it's very justifiable. The thing I'll add, I think Brandon Beam, the GM, should have gone with it. Well, instead he got promoted. He got from Brite.

I think they both should have gone because Bean has not, you got this all-time great quarterback, but you don't want to give him a great receiver like you had and Stefan Diggs and look at Diggs now. So listen, you're right that the, so those playoff losses you went through. Like the last three, they did have a fourth quarter lead. The other team did retake the lead. The Chiefs last two years and then the Broncos Saturday.

But in all three of those instances, they then also had the ball with plenty of time with Josh having a chance to answer either in regulation. Two years ago in Kansas City, they got the ball back with eight minutes left, down three points, got zero points. Last year in Kansas City,

got the ball back with three and a half minutes left, down three points. And this time, they got the ball back in overtime if we just want to put it there and had a chance to just in sudden death overtime at that point to go win the game and they didn't. So yes, they blew the lead, but also they had a chance.

to go get it. To me, I didn't, Danny said Friday that if they lose a game like this, he should be fired. And I was like, I was surprised,

I was surprised. I was like, oh, they're not going to fire. I'm like, they had a good year. People didn't look at them, like they already won a road playoff game. So I didn't go into this game thinking,

his job's on the line. But the emotion of that game, maybe they had decided they were going to fire him if they lost beforehand. But if they hadn't, the fact that that game left that team in shambles and him being Sean McDermott in shambles to where he's making the unprecedented move of calling reporters from the team playing to complain about a call well after the press conference meant it was on tenets. to run it all back.

It felt like this was the type of catastrophic defeat, even though I don't view this as some catastrophic defeat. I view it as pretty simple. Your star player turned the ball over four times, and you lost. I don't view it as they got robbed, and I also don't view it as, you know, they were, this wasn't the Super Bowl. You lost to the one seat in their building.

In a game where you didn't play your best. But again, to them, it was. Chiefs are gone. I think that's what they thought. And it is, here's the other thing. Because they, the last six years, they've led the league in everything, except for the only thing their fans actually care about.

It's stunning. Most points scored, fewest points allowed, the best record. They lead the league in all those categories. They are last in the league in Super Bowl appearances and wins. It makes it tough. All right, head to Chicago.

Caleb Williams made one of the most amazing plays in NFL history and then through a game losing interception to Cam Curl that led to the Rams victory. Here's Caleb post game. Take a listen. It's tough. And so, you know, in these moments, you feel that you let your team down, or you feel that you, you know, this or that.

And, you know, it's a good lesson learned for us. First time been a situation for me and for us. us as a team and, you know, I'm excited for, you know, what's to come. But obviously, you know, going to go back and watch this and figure out how I can be better. And that's the exciting part. What do you make of Caleb's performance? He, through three interceptions, had a 59 passer rating. And I left that game thinking he played a good game. I know. I mean, you agree, KW? From now, I have an announcement. Oh, let Brue go.

I'm not doing an announcement. First of all, I felt like he outplayed Matthew Stafford in the first half. And we know that had been an issue for Caleb lately. I thought, and not that he was awesome, but I thought he was better than Stafford. He had 150 yards, a touchdown, a pick, was accurate, 13 for 19. And, you know, you've talked about it and has shown it while it was the great play to tie the game. he made a believer out of me. Like this dude, he reminds me Nick of Mahomes.

And he's not as accurate as Patrick and all of that stuff. But as far as the dynamic off-scheduled stuff he's able to do, particularly late, the clutch stuff late. It's just, I honestly, the bears are going to be a force next year. and assuming he gets the other stuff down, which I imagine he will, being a little more accurate, being a little more on time. That dude has got some special quality,

so like I said, he made a believer out of me. I want to hear your announcement. I have been a Caleb skeptic. Yeah. Because I'm not a huge fan of the spectacular. I like meat and potatoes quarterback play, like Drake May minus the turnover. You know, a little eight yards here, six yards there, a little bit of yak, nice explosive play.

Your platonic ideal quarterback was Mack Jones with talent. Not bad. Yeah. That being said, these last two games from Caleb, and specifically that play, was Captain Sully-esque to me. If you do one thing so spectacular that I've never seen anything like that in my entire life, You were on a free pass for a long time from old KW. Captain Sully goes into a restaurant accidentally forgets to leave a tip. People want to talk trash.

Settle down. The guy landed a plane in a river. Whatever Caleb does, throw a game losing interception that may be a misread by DJ more or whatever. Doesn't matter. That was the most unbelievable play. I've ever ever, did my football life peak? Did the football like peak at my parents' house watching the game? Maybe it was un I don't even have words for it, Nick.

Unbelievable. Yeah, so I, I mean, this is, I, I actually don't, you said all that. And deep down, I actually think the fourth down play he made last week was more impressive. Than this? Yeah, I know. We can, but my point is, my point is that you, you're, in the last two weeks, he has had a play that I called the single best throw since I've been on TV. and a play that you said might have made your football life peak.

And their different fourth down plays to save their season is pretty spectacular. And so to me, he proved beyond a shadow of a doubt, that he could one day be the best player in the league. Oh, yeah. That that is, that door is now wide open. Shut up. Listen, he has to learn from some of the mistakes, including I agree the DJ Moore thing. My blame pie on that would be mostly on DJ Moore, but he doesn't have to take go for a kill shot there.

They're in sudden death. They're on the cusp of field goal range. Learn from those mistakes. Improve on the fundamentals, those types of things. But the things that are the hardest to learn, playmaking instincts, athleticism, arm talent, clutch. Those things are either

unteachable or the hardest to teach. He's an A-plus in all of them. He's 24 years old and fully bonded now with his head coach. And the growth from four months ago, we were more off the air

than on the air saying like, is Tyson Baygent going to be a conversation? Four months ago, after a rough off season, O and two start, to be from there to there, to me, I know it's cliche, it's not the deepest analysis. The sky is the limit.

And you just got to feel great about it. Quickly, another announcement, had they won this game, and I know it shouldn't come down to win, he played the same way. Him, Drake, is a debate. Yeah. They do a different way. Now, if Drake wins the Super Bowl, which they have a great chance to do, gets there even, okay, no debate right now. Oh, yeah. But, of course.

It's a debate. Yeah, it would have been a good hypothetical. Are we on the doorstep of the next? That's one, the Fox Sports Jail on Sirius XF. Check out the podcast if you get, oh, 13 million. We are cooking. She might be safe. I got to tell you,

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Welcome back to the show and happy Martin Luther King Jr. Day. New England Patriots are back in the AFC championship game where they belong. Drake May threw three touchdowns while challenging his defense to step up as he kept fumbling the ball. They did. What leadership coach? A defensive score as well while hounding C.J. Stroud all game long. Here's Drake on getting to the A.C. championship game. What a catch. It's actually the year.

It means we're winning. That's what matters. Having had a lot of time reflect on. guy says we're on the go. We're on the go. We keep going. And just proud of these guys. It was fun in here. The atmosphere is great. You don't hate we're not playing back here. But look, we're on the road. We've got a big one. I just want to take a second, Coach, because it is your birthday, and I'm going to break format a little bit. And I just want to say how lucky we have been on this show. I'm sorry about that.

No, it wasn't. Happy birthday, though. We're going to get to that. He's the worst. He's just the worst. Dynasty on deck. Dynasty, see. Oh, who's back? Who's back? Who, dynasty gap years. We were around Europe smoking slim cigarettes.

Oh, my goodness, having coffee out of very tiny cups. Oh, take a little dynasty gap year, a little Cam Newton, a little Mac Jones, little Jared Stidham. But we are back on the doorstep of destiny. One game away from the Super Bowl against a team that we already be in the Super Bowl. We've already been in both of the teams. Coach, sorry, happy birthday. Thank you. This doesn't seem like a nice question to coach.

You can ask me it. I'll ask you. Because we don't have an adversarial relationship once a Patriot. Are you ready to admit I was right all along about the New England Patriots? begrudgingly maybe assuming you are ready to admit that you owe

brew and I an apology for doing the steam coming out of your ears bright red thing when we said despite the fact that Drake May had been excellent all year we thought he might hit some little hurdles come to postseason

because I'm not I'll meet you in the middle. I'll meet you in the middle. Drake has not played as well as Drake can. Well, yeah, we can show you the numbers. Well, we don't have to do that. Just fumbles lost, please. I mean, listen, this is, but this coach is where Wilds has been the most right. The fact that objectively, their quarterback has dropped a couple levels and has, listen, has made some unbelievable plays, and I thought the touchdown we showed was more an unbelievable catch than, you know,

unbelievable throw, but he's made regardless. Yeah, it was a good ball. Very good both. He has not played well. He's their MVP of their team and going to be one or two in MVP voting. He's turning the ball over. He's fumbling, and they're winning easily.

Yeah. It speaks to that maybe I had underrated the overall quality of the team and the job that Mike Vrable was doing and was going to continue to do come this postseason. Because for your quarterback to not be playing great and you win two games easily in the playoffs, that's wildly impressive.

And so that is where I think I was undersold the pads, even though, by the way, I picked them in both games to win. That's true. That's fair. Well, I think it depends on what you're considering destiny, how we're defining destiny. So if you look at it as, you know, are they this year's, or this year's Washington? So as Drake made this year's version of Jayden Daniels, is the team this year's version of Washington?

Remember, Washington's record, great performance by a young quarterback, go to the NFC championship game. And what happens this year? They fired all three coordinators, take a step back after a really good, what was considered a good offseason in terms of who they acquired. So there's that component. Are you saying destiny is they're going to go on like the old, you know, the old page? Dynasty, you know, the Destiny is a Dynasty, or are we talking about this season? Because Destiny this season, I think Wilde could absolutely be right. So we discredit him because of who they played, but yet they perform really well against two

really good teams in the playoffs, and they are where they are. And when we won our first Super Bowl, what happened is there was a play where we're playing Buffalo. David Patton gets knocked out. He fumbles the ball. We need to go down and score to win the game. It's going to help us get in the playoffs. He fumbles. Now, he's passed out on the sideline, okay?

He's knocked out cold. His head is out of bounds. The ball is on his foot. The bills recover it. But because the ball was on his foot and his head was on the sideline, it was out of bounds, and we kept the ball and we win the game. So we got a bunch of breaks like that that season. You look at New England this season.

Those fumbles yesterday were typically the Texans would pick it up and run it in for a touchdown. New England falls on it. and now they're playing the AFC championship, and the quarterback fractures his foot or whatever, two plays before. There are things where the football guys are kind of saying, hey, maybe this is New England's year. Just like that first.

Yeah, they definitely deserve it. It's been so long. It's been a top run for you guys. Some people have only seen two championships if you're young. What I'm saying is from this season's perspective, so many things are breaking right. And I'm not discrediting it, but you need to be good and also have some,

fortunate brace, which they've had. Here's the other thing. Look, obviously the defense has been great. Nine and a half points allowed in each, you know, on average in these two games. And Drake, I understand the turnovers and it hasn't been what we saw in the regular season. But the difference between him and most of the other quarterbacks, because everybody's turning it over, is he is countering his bad plays with great plays.

like that C.J. Strau didn't counter a lot of his you know, his turnovers with any great plays for the most part. And other quarterbacks, we've the same situation. He is doing that. And so I'm not down on Drake. Nick and I were talking before the show. A lot of times quarterbacks, great quarterbacks, struggle or have their bad moments in playoffs.

We know Brady famously, what, no touchdown passes in the first Super Bowl run, you know. And so... Three total offensive touchdowns in the whole play. Look at that. So this is more... Mahomes has spoiled us because he's been great in most, almost all his playoff games. But the norm is that guy struggle a little bit. You're playing the best teams in the league and all that stuff.

So I don't think Drake has been bad. I mean, again, you don't like the turnovers. No, the fumbling has been bad. Other than that, he hasn't lost with the ball. But again, he's come back with winning plays on the other hand. The one thing I was 100% wrong about. We had a top five defense and offense going in. I'm like, I thought we were young Mike Tyson.

The one thing you were wrong about is the underrating the Patriots is what you're saying. I thought we were a young Mike Tyson coach. I'm like, I'm positive we can throw punches. I don't know if we can take punches. But this defense has gotten to another level. Like C.J. No, that's why I give variable credit.

The defense has been so good. The one thing, Stroud threw it. of a tight windows. I think this is from Solek. Career high, 29% of his attempts. He completed two of 14 passes. So Gonzalez has been great. The whole defense is very... Milton Williams is ending games. We've been great. Saying that Stroud threw in the tight windows

is a little bit kind of, I mean, he wasn't even close to the window. We're just hoping to hit that house. Patriots Broncos Sunday at 3 o'clock. All right, so, oh, I'm sorry, gentlemen. We didn't get a chance to play you off. one for C.J. Stroud. He goes into half time throwing four interceptions. This after a five fumble game last week. Here's Houston head coach, Tomiko Ryan, on if he considered benching

C.J. Stroud. Take a listen. No, C.J. is our guy. I believe that he could come back out in the second half and flip it. I believe that he could play better. And he did that in the second half. He did play better. We had some positive drives there in the second half, because I believe that he would do that and he did that. Most interceptions and fumbles, not just lost. Stroud had 10 in two games. Carson had nine. Should the Texans have benched Stroud at halftime?

Well, first of all, and with all due respect to your Patriots, to me, this loss was on C.J. Stroud. Like, if they get decent quarterback play, I think they win. I mean, that defense. If you just doesn't throw the pick six. Yeah. Right. Well, that would have taken seven off the board, obviously.

But I just think he has to wear this. So as far as the question, it's tough for me because I think I texted you guys. He might get benched in the second quarter. And then I thought about Trevor Lawrence in his first playoff game, how he threw four picks in the first half, three in the first quarter, and then, of course, came back with the three touchdowns in the second half and they won. So I thought, okay, maybe, you know, that. That could happen.

But honestly, I think in that moment, I would have benched him. And it doesn't mean he wouldn't have entered the next week or next season as my starter in training camp. But at that moment, I think I'd have benched him. They went 3 and O with Davis Mills as a starter. They beat Buffalo and Jacksonville. He had five touchdowns of pick. I'm not saying he's great.

But I just needed somebody not to turn the ball over. And so I probably would have benched him. And I would just, before you go, Coach. Yeah, sure. The Trevor, the Trevor comp is a great example of a guy who could have that bad of a half and rebound. What informed, what would have informed me on this is the previous week. Last week, CJ was damned, not quite as bad, but he was, you know, he was turning the ball over, you know, a bunch in that game as well to lead into it. Yeah, so I do think that Trevor Lawrence part of it came into the equation.

And then when they did come out in the second half, the very first drive, they have a nice drive and they kick a field wall. Then New England turns the ball over. They have another good drive and the running back fumbles a ball. So it's not really on the drive there. So they have a chance there. And then going into the fourth quarter, if they score a touchdown, they take the lead. So I think if he had come out in that first drive, they hadn't gotten anything done at all. maybe that's where he would have pulled the trigger.

But the fact that they got that field goal and then going into the fourth quarter, you're only down by a score. He's been your guy and you say that you believe him to have yanked him in the fourth quarter. Now, all that being said, there was not a lot of redeeming throws in that

where you're watching the game going, oh, he's got his fastball. I mean, he didn't have any. It felt like he could add seven picks. Yeah. Like four felt like the minimum. Yes. There were a couple others where it looked like, oh, my God.

How did, you know, is that going to get picked? I think you got to bench him. I just think you have to bench him because here's the other piece of it. It's not as if, like, he is going to get the contractual version of a benching this summer when they don't give him a big extension. You can't. Yeah, you can't. So like that, it's, they...

But the tough thing is, Nick, you start the second half, you go to, you move the ball down the field and you kick a field goal, and then the games in... No, they were right. No, at that point, no, at that point, then I, once you start the second half with him, you're rolling with him. But my point is at halftime... See, I actually, I think if they had imploded that first drive,

I think that's where they would have pulled. Sure, but I guess what I'm saying is, I agree with you, once you start with him and something positive happens to you. But I... And one of the... It wasn't just that he was playing that bad and just looked shook. He did not look like what I will say about Trevor in that playoff game five, four years ago, his demeanor was not like what is happening.

He seemed angry. CJ looked like stressed out, say the least. And the fact that Davis Mills had played this season, and we can show you the numbers, you alluded to him, had started three games. Again, dink and dunk, not great. 8, 59, but wasn't turning the ball over, had experience, makes him one of the better candidates to come into a playoff game.

But the other, the bigger picture story is what has happened to C.J. Stroud. Luckily, this show, we know the answer. What is it? No, don't do that. Yeah, no, no, no. The lecture that led to the losing. No. What do you mean?

What do you mean? I'm a strong note like Wilde's butt. It does match up. The last should have led to the losing. It does match up. I mean, the guy was 32 touchdowns, nine turnovers, 12 and 7, a 102 rating, and then he big brothered Caleb. And since then, we are, we're spending 10 minutes. Would they have had a better chance to make the conference championship game by playing Davis Mills?

They fired the OC, who was the hot shot OC, and they were great. and they had a down year because they had no offensive line. And it felt like, I don't know, this is a little bit of my Mac Jones apology tour. When you switch out your OC. KW, year two, he had the same OC. I know, but he had no offensive line year two. His first year, the offensive line was in flux. I just, I don't know how he regressed this much.

40 touchdowns, 32 turnovers is kind of a crazy stash. It's bizarre. I hope he gives it back on track. Are the Bears on the schedule now? Maybe Caleb can give him some pointers. How to rally, how to be not, not get down to yourself when you're trailing late. Stop going those picks.

Run backwards. Exactly. Got a pass rush, run backwards 26 yards. Keep it up. By the time I finish reading this paragraph, the 49er Seahawks game was basically over. Rachee-G takes the opening kickoff 95 yards. Seattle takes a 7-0 lead, and that's the game.

We end 41 to 6. Brew, what went wrong for Purdy and the 49ers? That was it. It was over at that moment. 13 seconds. There's no excuses. All right. This is an explanation. They had a great season, but the injuries just got, it was too much to overcome.

Now, I don't want to take anything away from Seattle because they were banged up last week 18, San Francisco, and they only beat them 13 to three, the Seahawks. So they put it on them. That was great. think, I mean, obviously there was no kiddle. McCaffrey got banged up, even though he played a little more. And Purdy couldn't, you know, do anything. So look, usually I reserve my grades for the Cowboys, but since they're where they always are this time of year on the couch,

watching the game with the rest of us, I got a grade for the Niners, specifically Brock Purdy. Now, this could speak to the whole team, but just to show I'm objective, Brock Purdy gets a D. Wow. He gets a D for this game.

But it wasn't Brock's fault. 49ers exit early. But it wasn't Brock's fault. Seattle was just too strong. But it wasn't Brock's fault. Now they're all vacation early. But it wasn't Brock's fault. Yeah, it was a D game.

Too many entries to name. but it wasn't Brock's fault. D-game, D-game, D-Game, D-Game. D-Gay. D-game! Wow, great to have you back, fellas. I'm glad the Cowboys being gone doesn't mean you guys are at all. Great job.

Wow. Coach, I don't know how you can follow that up. You want to sing? Yeah, I disagree that it wasn't totally bright, that it wasn't Brock's fault. Wasn't that the whole song? Now, I will say it is hard to go play in the East Coast, and they were beat up, to play the East Coast, they come back,

they've got a short week. Those are difficult. Seattle's rested, and I think that their tank was empty. But when you look at Brock Purdy, I went back, and in the advanced passing stats, they have a stat called off-target throws. And in the postseason, his first post-season, his on-target pass percentage was 71.9%.

Okay. his second postseason his on-target pass percentage was 68%. This postseason, his on-target pass percentage, was 41%. So to say it wasn't Brock's fault, and I think you might have to revise the sign to be, it was partially Barack. No, it was someone on him for sure. It was more of Brock's fault. But it was, it was every round.

Sorry. I'm workshopping it. It was a team effort. What went wrong for the Niners holistically is they were too injured and ran into the best team in football. Like that's the, you know, that's the bigger picture.

Furthermore, I think one of the biggest losers of this weekend probably is the Philadelphia Eagles watching this. Like that team, that team came to our house and ended our Super Bowl defense because the Niners were punching over their weight in that Eagles game

And again, this was, they are a better team than they showed Saturday night. But Seattle has been just a machine throughout the year. They don't even need their quarterback to play great, to be great. And so that's what it is. But since we're asking about Purdy and since it had been a discussion all year and Brew got very mad at you a lot, I do think it's fair to do a final tale of the tape. For what? Well, you advocated that maybe they should have stuck with the hot hair.

hand in Mac Jones. So if you do look at the final tale of the tape of Purdy versus Mac Jones. Is this from just this game? No, no, it's the season. Oh. And make a compelling argument. I mean, I, I'm not saying one's better than the other. You're not saying party's better than Mac Jones?

I'm not, I'm not saying. I'm not saying anything. No, I'm asking. Oh, no, no, no. Why aren't you saying that? It's interesting. You said that. I am not saying the guy on the right who has the objectively better stats is better than the guy

in the left. I'm not saying no. I'm just saying they sure put up similar numbers. He didn't play Seattle though. He's that 50 million dollars better than the guy I think whatever it is wow I I wasn't saying anything I just wanted to do a final accounting. He didn't have enough weapon I told you I was open to the possibility of maybe changing my opinion. D. Game. Use it as the game. Nice I'm a little off. I wanted the jazz hands. Live from New York, it's a show. It's wishing you a happy Martin Luther King Jr. Day.

It's the second hour of first things first. Today, Bill's lose is Buffalo's exit all on Josh Allen. Also lose their coach we discuss with our coach. Meanwhile, Drake May, throwing touchdowns and dropping the ball. Does Coach Manjini buy? my theory that he's inspiring the defense to play better. He can't hold onto the ball, maybe, but right now. Not recover that.

All facets. Josh Allen will start next year with a new coach. After an overtime loss, finds the bills out of the playoffs yet again. GM Brandon Bean keeps his job and coach, you'll love this, actually got promoted to president of football operations. What does this mean for Josh and the bills? Well, I mean, this is the fork in the road for Josh's career, right? His head coach change.

And the stat that we talked about before the season still remains true. And it bit the Ravens and the Bills this year, which is every single coach and quarterback combo that has ever won at least one Super Bowl together, won their first Super Bowl together within five years of being together. for Allen and McDermott and for Lamar and Harbaugh, this was year eight for both of them. And so, you know, the historical odds, granted, I understand small sample, all of that,

but the samples, the entirety of the Super Bowl era, said the odds were stacked against them, and now they're both looking for new head coaches. I also think this should be a reality check for Josh, and I think his emotions at the press conference, speak that it might have been that he has to mature

as a player. Two years ago in the playoff loss against the Chiefs on the final drive of the game he's running with the ball out like a loaf of bread

down three with five minutes left ball gets knocked. out, Chiefs try to scoop and score to end the game, they don't fall on it, the bills get it, they end up missing the kick that year. Last year in the game against the Chiefs, he fumbles three times. They recover all of them. And then this, and they lose the game for other reasons. This year, the fumble for the half is egregious.

The fumble after halftime is not great. The first interception, those are all bad decisions. and being able to, in the highest leverage spots coach, be the superhero while not being your own kryptonite, is what makes legendary players legendary. And I am not, it would be unfair for me to say, like, Josh Allen costs McDermott's job. The reason McDermott had the job as long as he did

is because Josh Allen is so great. Josh Allen is one of the greatest players of his generation. but he's got to be better and smarter with his decision-making with ball security in some of these spots and come through. And so, I mean, it's got to fall on him in a way that I think it should that, man, we weren't able to get it done together. What do I need to change to make sure I can get it done with my next head coach? Yeah, and the reason he became the MVP last season was because he was able to control the turnovers. But what this means for Josh Allen is the ownership has said you have enough good players around you to win the Super Bowl and we should be winning the Super Bowl And I remember Sean went to two AFC championship games and there was total dysfunction in the organization before he got there 18 years without a playoff

He gets him there but but the personnel guy not only does He you know survive He gets promoted but I thought this statistic was was really interesting thing. I know if we can bring it up. Since drafting Josh Allen in 2018, they've drafted 56 players. Two have made the Pro Bowl. Okay? Two of those guys. Now, I mean, it feels like everybody makes the Pro Bowl these days, but only two of those 56 made the Pro Bowl. So, yeah, you can, I understand the thought process from ownership because there's no Burrough, there's no Lamar, there's no Mojams, there's no Chiefs, you have Superman, Superman needs to be Superman, you

lose the AFC East to a team that only won four games last year. All those things come into play. But there should be a little bit more time, I think, a way to objectively evaluate the season before you make an organizational decision like they did for an organization that was an absolute dysfunction before that. Do you agree, Coach, real quick, Brew, that if I would have thought if they were only going to fire one of the GM or head coach and keep it? the other. I felt like the GM was more like that the the GM was more culpable than the head coach for this season. Like that that's what to me was like and that's what the well but do you remember last year I thought Buffalo was going to have a down year because of all the personnel changes and they overachieved for that but but there doesn't seem like there was much credit given for that and now this year you're saying that they're underachieving and again you have the

former or the reigning MVP and the rushing champion. Those are two really strong pieces. But you don't win, you know, the Super Bowl just based off of two pieces. Yeah, I thought, coach, if they got rid of McDermott, they should have got rid of Brandon Bean, too, the GM, who they promoted. So, because I was like you, I thought they overachieve last year. I didn't think they had the personnel. And to not give, I get it, they're a running team.

They kind of start throwing less so they didn't feel like they needed an elite receiver. I guess they thought Keonan Coleman would become that, but that was a misjudgment, at least for now. And so... Yeah, but was that a misjudgment by Sean? No, that's what I agree. That's from the GM. So what it means

for Josh, he, Nick, I agree, you can't blame the firing solely on him. But he does have to wear that if I play better, Sean McDermott's not fired. And I don't know what their relationship

is. But if he really likes him, then that had a lot to do with it. Unless this was a Ravens type decision where even if they won, went to the AFC championship game, remember Pashadhi said, hey, would he have survived? Yeah, he would have survived another week. Was this a true, and you said this, was it truly Super Bowl or bust for McDermott? Or would this game have changed anything?

Or would we be having this discussion? I mean, certainly, yeah. No, that's a good point. I think the thing, too, for Josh, it puts the bulls eye. on him now. Like, so McDermey has been blamed for this failure, right? Not getting to a Super Bowl. If they get a good coach in, then eventually, like now it's looking, and same thing for Lamar.

Now you're looking at the quarterback. You didn't get there with an established coach who we know is very good. We put it on the coach. Now it's you. And let's see, if they cannot make the Super Bowl and they still run into these same problems, Then I think there's going to be more of a bull's eye on Josh Allen than the coach. Someone's, you know, Lamar, Mahomes, Josh Allen, Joe Borough. Someone's not making the Super Bowl.

In fact, multiple guys once I do the math on it. You mean next year? Just everyone's like, I got Super Bowl or bust. Like they're running out a guy. Like, all right, so you got Lamar and Josh who fired their coach because they didn't go far enough. All right. Someone's not going to school next year. But this is, just, can we just throw up the six playoff wins in a,

There's playoff wins six years in a row. Sorry, it'll take him a second. This is weird. Not this one. I apologize. They're one of the four. Right. So that's an Allen stat.

Alan's got eight playoff wins. He's the only quarterback with at least six not make a Super Bowl. But as far as team success, these are the three other teams that six straight years won a playoff game. They won nine Super Bowls in that stretch between them, three apiece, and went to 13. The fact that that, I mean, those are the only

the dynasties of my life. But one is in the other one's way. Two are in the other one's way. Kevin, Kansas City, New England, they were, yeah. Those are all AFC. No,

18, no, 18. No, New England's 11 to 18. That's my contact. No, no, I, I, I, Yes, I get that. But that's why, to Bruce's point, this loss is so damaging.

Because I have always felt it is a misnomer to flatly say, if not for Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen would have all these Super Bowls when he is, the, the 13 seconds game was in the divisional round. Last year's playoff loss or two years ago, playoff loss was in the divisional round. the first year that they played in two conference championship games. One, they got blasted in when the bills in 2020. And the close one was last year. But at least there has been the, yeah, it's just all the Josh Allen playoff failures, playoff failures, too, all the Josh Allen playoff losses, stats are actually Mahomes' stats.

But they're not. It's a Joe Burroughs stat now and a Bo Nix, Brum. Bronco stat. Like, and so there's, there's that piece of it as well. I want to get your reaction to Josh after the game, despondent, two interceptions, three fumbles. Here he is, shouldering the blame, and then Dion Dawkins, after hearing that Josh is shouldering the blame. Take a listen to two pieces of sound. That's extremely difficult. I feel like I, yeah, feel like I let my teammates down tonight.

How do you react when you're a quarterback who's done so much for you, says that to you guys? Let us down. That's a lot. Yeah. What was your reaction to that? I don't remember ever seeing that in this round of the playoffs. And it's to me my reaction to that coach is, I don't know. Like you said what the timing was on deciding to fire McDermott.

But if I were running the team and I wasn't planning on firing McDermott going into that game, like we're on the road, we're, you know, against, whatever it is, if I wasn't planning on it, and then after the game, I saw, arguably my two best players in tears, and the head coach calling reporters talking about the alleged missed call,

I would then think, oh, this loss is, we can't just run this back. This is a fracturing loss, the likes of which the 13-second game seemed to be, which if we go, go back in history and just say they, it would have been unfair. It wasn't his fault.

It might in the moment, they probably should have made a change after that. Like there are certain moments that it feels like the team doesn't recover from. And it felt to me seeing that coach that this team was not just going to be like, man, tough one. We'll get them next year. Not how the bears reacted certainly, like very much like, all right. It's not even how the Texans reacted when their quarterback had four turnovers. Well, okay.

well, they're both just happy to be there. Right. And to me, you want your best players to be hurting that bad. And that's probably why that they're your best players, because it means so much to them. And I don't think that's an indictment necessarily on Sean. And to some degree, when you're Superman, you need to be Superman in those big moments. And he had a chance with Dawson Knox with 16 seconds left, the guy's running clean across the field. Would he have scored?

I don't know. There's a corner on the back side. I think the mismatch Knox Pryor could have got in. He missed him. Here it is. He misses him on this play. That easily could have won the game. The fumble at the end of the half, the interception overtime.

When you're Superman, you expect to do them to do Superman type things in those moments. And I'm sure that when Josh thought about it and thought about the things that he missed, probably does hurt incredibly. Yeah. Look, I don't kill. I don't look down on them for crying like that. I mean, they wanted it. That shows you how badly they wanted it.

And I think, as I said earlier, coach, they felt like, I know they didn't think it was going to be easy, of course. You still got to win the games. But with the Chiefs out, how could you not feel like this is it? The Ravens are out. Like, we should get to the Super Bowl. And I think that's why I think they could understand losing to the Chiefs, who've won Super Bowls.

But losing to Bo Nix in his second year, when they had five turnovers to Denver's one and lost by three in overtime. Like they know they blew it. And the answer to the question, the loss is on Josh. He has to, there's no if,

ands or buts about it. I said, coach, two losses this weekend were on the quarterbacks, C.J. Strau and Josh Allen. Because I think without all those turnover, in both cases, the team wins. And not a blowout, but they win convincingly. And so I just think, you know, the number one thing is don't turn the ball over.

He had four. Every single game this weekend, the quarterback with the fewest turnovers won the game. And that's what it was. I also don't buy the analysis of, well, because the team wouldn't have been there without him, criticizing him for a terrible performance is unfair. If that's the metric, then every, to switch sports for a moment, NBA superstar ever is on a free roll.

Because every single basketball team ever that gets to the deep in the playoffs, it's because of their superstar. And then, oh, he was two for 13 with 11 turnovers again. I'm not picking that stat out of nowhere. Sorry, James Hardin. It's like, what do you want? They wouldn't have been there.

Like, yes, we all know that without Josh Allen, the bills have not won't a playoff. off game in six straight years. We all get that. That's the table stakes for being considered one of these all-time great players. It then is fair. Not only is it fair, it is incumbent upon us in the media to be honest about performances and if we're going to have double standards or play favorites, be open about it. Like, America, if you haven't noticed, I'm from Kansas City. I root for the Chiefs. Patrick Wohen's my favorite player of all times. I try to be fair with all my analysis, but you know that going in.

But there are certain parts, and this is what frustrates people, I'm not killing the guy for crying either. I do know that if the two seed that was, you know, in theory, had the better path to a Super Bowl Chicago Bears quarterback, showed up to the press conference, Caleb Williams, sobbing, it is, I don't think the media reaction is quite as charitable as it's been to Josh. And I also know that there are a lot of folks that felt to me that last week wagged their finger at that older lady in Jacksonville for rooting for the Jags in the press conference who spent the moments after this game talking about how their heart is breaking for the defending MVP because he turned the ball over four times. That's weird to me. Like people that claim to be objective, you know, all of it and then are basically saying, man, I get as a sports fan wanting to see great players break through. I understand that we all want to see great players on the

biggest stages. But that doesn't mean we have to look the other way when a great player does have it all in front of him, does, to your point have the rushing champ, is playing a young quarterback, does have all these things, and it's his mistakes that put them in this position. And I think to your point, the star gets you there, the superstar wins the championship. Yeah. All right.

After the game, Sean Payton delivered the devastating news that Bo Nix's season was over a broken ankle. I'll have surgery on tomorrow. Here's Peyton post game. Bo fractured a bone in his right ankle. He's scheduled to have surgery Tuesday of this week, which will put him out for the rest of the season. Stead he's ready to go.

After the game, Super Bowl champion Nick Foles said that he's sending prayers for a strong recovery to Bo and said on a positive note going into the game versus the Patriots is that they struggle against backup quarterbacks in championship type game Thank you for that. Nick Foles

Brewer, are you giving the Broncos a chance without bonus? Well look, I was going to reference we've seen strange things happens. You know, Nick Foles beats Tom Brady in the Super Bowl. Jeff Hoss Stettler, it leads the Giants to the Super Bowl after Phil Sims gets hurt. That's way back in 1990.

But still, look, I think it's slim, but the Patriots, and I'm sure Vrable won't allow this. They can't take them lightly. You just don't know what anything could happen. And again, we wonder if Davis Mills started that game for Houston, not that he's better than C.J. Straub, but maybe that's a different outcome. We have been playing backup quarterbacks all year, so we are mentally prepared. Yeah, no, look, you guys, this would be a terrible.

loss for you guys. Even though it's in Denver, this would be a heartbreaking loss for you guys, but the chances are very slim. I wouldn't say they're very slim. I don't think that at all. I mean, Denver's only lost one game at home. And to me, the thing that I said about Drake, even as he's been so good this season, is the sacks were an issue. And he did a better job bring those down. But in the playoffs, he's been sacked 15% of the time. That's double his in-season rate. know who's number one the NFL at sacks the Denver Broncos so if you have that volume of turnovers and Stidham can go in and play and just not let's just start with not turning the ball over that to me could could easily swing the game so so there's that part of it Denver's a difficult

place to play and even though New England's been excellent on the road they're undefeated right But it's a hard place to play, noise, the sacks, the turnovers. It's not great for Denver, but I'd give them much better than a slim chance to win. And if you're right and the Patriots Dynasty is back, that means you lose playoff games in Denver. Yeah, 0 and 3. Yeah, you always like, that's the one place where you guys always lose. And there is not a much bigger difference in offensive lines you're going up against, going from Chargers, Texans. to then Denver.

Like, you know, from two of the either most injured or worst offensive lines to the best. Here's what I want to say about the Broncos quickly here. I want to, first of all, give Sean Payton credit for doing what he did there by calling the press back into the room and announcing that. A lot of coaches treat everything like it's state secrets, even if they know what's going to come out.

I thought Sean Payton did the right thing there and like, we have this information. Everyone's going to find out. You'll find out for me. So that's first of all. Second of all, I, fair is fair. I don't know if anyone's been more skeptical of the Broncos, but certainly of Bo Nicks than me. He was excellent. He was excellent in that game.

He also had, I couldn't believe it, but I had bet the bills. And then during the game when they were trailing, I kept betting them. the bills because I was so confident they were going to win. And when the bills only were up one and only got a field goal and they were up four, giving the ball back to Denver, I was like, yeah, I think Bo Nix are going to go to a touchdown. I did. He had been doing it. He's been great.

He'd been doing it. And so credit to him. And I do feel sick for the Broncos fans that you lose your quarterback to broken ankle like this. Like I don't remember an injury like this. No. Like a number one seed in the playoffs losing their quarterback right. Like that's super rare.

And then lastly, as far as giving them a chance, Sean Payton has had, it's limited, but some success when he plugs in these backup quarterbacks, whether it was when Breeze missed time and he had Teddy or tried to do the taste something. James. James. Right. James was five and two.

Was that post-Prient? That was post-Breeze. That wasn't plugging in a guy for injury. I was on an MVP pace. Very good. But so and Jared Stiddam's been in the league a long time. So I, I'm certainly not giving them zero chance. Five and a half is a lot of points for a home.

It's going to be a tough game. Drafted by the Patriots. First O.C. Josh McDaniels. Low-key rooting for Jared Stiddlem. Oh, you are. One of my early days. No way you are. Oh, we'll win.

So if he plays well. 1428. Sunday on Fox, a trip to Super Bowl. Bowl 60 is on the line. Stafford versus Darnold, the NFC Championship, presented by Intuit TurboTax. Sunday, 6 Eastern, 3 Pacific, only on Fox. We're talking about the Rams victory right now.

They go into Chicago and win in overtime. Sean McVeigh said he didn't love the way he called the game. Stafford was great when he needed to be. Nick, this is your team. Yep. Did you like what you saw from your Rams? Is it though? Of course it is.

It's been for a couple years. Since week 17. No, I mean, listen, on again, off again, but the heart wants what the heart wants. No, I didn't, but I'm okay with it. So, first of all, I love Sean McVeigh. He's an excellent coach. He, his into game stuff can be maddening.

And there was the, I don't want to drill down too much on this, but the third and eight with 207 left doing a give-up run instead of throwing the ball is truly, because there's 207 left, it's extra bad. Because either way, whether you throw or pass or throw or run, the two-minute warning is going to be clocked on the punt. Like you're not saving any, you're saving maybe three or four seconds for or running that much time off.

So I didn't get that. And that worries me in some of these spots. But, coach, what I like is this. I don't think the Rams have played great yet these playoffs, and they're still in it. And we know that they can play great against Seattle. And one in one against them, I understand it, but that first game, they were dominating Seattle,

and then they end up losing by one point in overtime. The second team, pardon me, to score a touchdown in overtime and lose the game. And so I don't think they have played well yet these playoffs all, all around, but I thought the defense played better than I expected yesterday. That had been the concern, and I know how good Stafford is. So I didn't like what I saw, but I am optimistic about them, if that makes sense. Yeah, I agree with you.

They haven't been as good as you'd think they would be throughout the course of playoffs, and Carolina should really have moved on to the second round. We're all very disappointed by that. But the one thing I like about the Rams, when you watch the Bears, you just feel like you're over-caffeinated, like everything's hectic. you know, moving around. And then the nice thing about Stafford is like, it's like a nice camomile tea.

Like there's nice, nice sense of calm. So even after that fourth down play, the crazy change in momentum that that has in the game where a lot of times that could, that could make you start reeling. And then they go out, they get stopped, Chicago gets the ball back. That sense of calm to me is the thing that I do like about,

about the Rams. and the situation that they're in. Yeah, look, I give a lot of credit to Bears' defense. I was shocked by how well the Bears' defense played. Like, I thought they guarded, covered the receivers really well. They got pressure on Stafford, had four sacks. I was stunned by how well they played and kept them the under four yards of carry, about three and a half yards of carry.

So I'm not, I mean, the Rams, I agree, haven't looked great. That might be because they're not that great. I mean, we've seen them lose games in the regular season. But when I look at the field that's left, they certainly have a great chance. And I do want to take Stafford over, certainly over Darnold. I know we're going to get to this game next. But they should, you know, I know they feel great about their chances and they should because you got Matthew Stafford. And he was, he wasn't great, very good at all yesterday.

But he didn't turn it over. He didn't turn it over. And you felt like you never, to coach's point, you always felt like he was in control. And again, he is, he is a, we've shown the numbers before. He is a, historic is too good, is too far.

But somewhere, whatever I don't know what the word is, more than contemporary, less than historically, great playoff performer. Like his, the sample size is, now, I mean, well, but again, I don't know. He is a guy who has awesome regular season numbers, and they get better across the board in the playoffs. Now, is that true?

Because I know he was only four in Detroit. Well, no, it's the, since he's been with the Rams. He has six playoff wins. He also has almost all of his playoff games have been road or neutral site. Like, he hasn't been at home through these spots. He has gone on the road and played well repeatedly in bad weather or wherever it is. And that here is, in this. I think you'll like this, KW.

We've said all year like it's a weird year. It's open. That really is about Mahomes and Lamar being out of it. Like Burroughs been out of it for three years in a row. No one in the NFC that's like shocked us missed. With that said, the two best teams all year in the NFC, with the Seahawks and the Rams. Correct.

And the two best teams all year, record-wise, which means in the two best teams all year, the AFC were the Broncos and the Pats and we're at the Final Four. Thank you. And it's the Rams and the Seahawks and it's the Broncos and the pads. I mean, that is like the, yes, there are a lot of factors that go into that. And one of them is, well, you have the better records so then you get home playoff games. You get a buy.

Sure. That is how, that's the point of the regular season, set yourself up for the playoffs. Take advantage of what's in front of you. And those are the teams that are left. And the only reason the Rams were the five seed, not the two seed, was because, because the team that was the one seeds in their division. But they had the second best record of the NFC. They were favored in this game.

Yes. And so the two teams that were supposed to be there are the ones there. I wish I'd known that or else I would not be three and seven picking games in the playoffs. After dismantling the 49ers, the Seattle Seahawks will host the Rams this Sunday night. They are also now the Super Bowl favorites. News today, though. Zach Sharbonate out for the playoffs after tearing his ace. Seattle. Seahawks, Rams, Patriots, and Broncos are pretty far behind.

Brud, do you think the Seahawks deserve to be favorites? I would like to, and I feel I'm leaning this way, see the two MVP front runners battling out of the Super Bowl, right? That would be poetic. But, and I was saying this all years, Nick was praising and even Danny praising the Rams, right? Seattle coach, Sam Darno, Matthew Stafford had five touchdowns, no turnovers in the two games against Seattle.

Donald had two touchdowns, six interceptions in the two games against Seattle. And Seattle won one of the games and lost the other by two points. When Darnell has zero touchdowns, four interceptions. So all of that led me to think, Seattle is the better team. Now, Stafford is obviously the far better quarterback. And so I lean that way, but I feel like every, not everywhere else, because obviously the better receivers. Well, it's good because you got JSN. But Seattle overall, I think is the better team.

And if, if Darno can just not turn the ball over, when you look at the first two games the way they went, you would think Seattle should be able to win this game. So I understand. There's a lot of points on the board in the second game. Right, but I mean, but he still had two turnovers and wasn't playing well until the last half a quarter or whatever it was. Yeah, and so Seattle should feel very good going into this game just because they got to be like, man,

if we just don't turn the ball over, we know we can have our way with this team. Yeah, I don't think they should necessarily be favored to win the Super Bowl. I don't know if they should necessarily be favored going to this game exactly for the reason that you said. So six, what is it, two touchdowns, six interceptions, that's problematic. And the last game, the ramp had almost 600 yards of offense. And even the game they lost, it was that backward pass.

Yeah, you know. The two-point conversion. Was it a backward pass? Was it, you know, and completely could have gone the other way. And so now we fast forward. And the first game, the question, remember that moment was could Donald rise up in a big moment? That was his issue in. Minnesota, he wasn't able to, and he throws the four picks.

So to say all he has to do is not turn the ball over. He hasn't shown the ability to do that. And he hasn't shown the ability in these big moments to overcome, you know, what's been his Achilles' heel. I mean, except for the last couple weeks. I mean, they played for the one seat against the Niners. He didn't do much, but played a clean game, and they won 13 to 3. this game then obviously he doesn't have to do really anything they blow him out I the here's what seems to be the way they're going to try to go out I mean the last three games they have

closed him down he plays well against the Niners the well but I mean I don't even know that he's playing well he's just they they're not doing much with the last three games the Seahawks have played they played the playoff bound Carolina Panthers Darnell did nothing they won by 17 they played the Niners in a game for the one seat in San Francisco Darnell did not do much, they won by 10. And they played the Niners in a playoff game. You see Darnal's stat line. They won by 35.

The Seahawks do, I think it would be, the gambling part of my brain just says it would be asinine for anyone else to be the favorite. They have been clearly the most solid team, and they're at home, and all things considered. I know they just lost Charbonnet. They are healthy. And how are those players?

I love picks going for you. Hold on a second. Hold on a second. With that said, with that said, I actually agree with you. Like I'm going to, in this spot, I'm certain of it,

believe in the Rams. But like the Seahawks have the body of work start to finish up this season that say they're the best team in the league. But I am certain. Except against this team.

Yeah. Except against this team. I'm on an oblique watch. You're on oblique watch. I'm on oblique watch. It wasn't a problem this weekend. Well, they handed the ball off a lot. That's because they weren't hearing it out.

Okay, well, that's a problem. When he started. Very interesting episode of Mahomes Mountain coming up tomorrow. I just hope there's a lot of emphasis on touchdowns and not necessarily ball security overrated. Everybody's having ball security. Here's the thing about Mahomes Mountain tomorrow. What is it? Might not just be quarterbacks.

Oh, what? I kind of like it. Wow. I like it, Nick. What is for the T's? KW. There's a lot of stuff on this show. We let you feel like you're in charge of.

Mahomes Mountain ain't one of them. Sure, let's put defensive ends on Mahomes Mountain nowadays. I like it. Thanks, Coach. You didn't like when a college quarterback was on there. I know, but this is the postseason. We're down to four dudes. All right, fine.

I'll do it. Drake Mays behind Stimham. behind Stidham. You can't hold all the ball. Stim's got no fumbles. Patriots win their 16th game of the year headed to Denver. Drake threw three touchdown, but also keeps dropping the ball, coach. Do you like what you've seen from Drake?

No, I haven't loved what I've seen from Drake, and I'm especially concerned about the sacks as we've talked about, double what he had in the season, and he started off the season. You know, with that being a problem, got better as it went on. But in fairness to him, this is his first playoff experience, and there's a learning

curve that goes into this. And when I was grading him, I just wanted to look at what Stafford had done and compare the two guys during this playoff run. And if we can bring this up, so, you know, numerically, you can see the completion percentage, obviously Drake's better. And as you go down the line, Stafford's not significantly better in most categories. Now he's better in some, but not significantly better. Five turnovers to one turnover is very significant. I understand that completely, but let me put this into a context. So now let's look at the defenses that these two guys have played. So now we're thinking apples to apples. It's radically different. Points per game, Carolina was 15th, the Bears were 23rd. The charges were 9th and Houston was second. He's

playing a much better two defenses and the same thing with yards per game. 16th and what's that 29th versus fifth and first. So this is his first playoff experience against two of the best defenses in the league. And it hasn't been great. But when you look at Matthew Stafford, who's as experienced as it gets versus defenses that aren't nearly as good, he hasn't been lighting it up either. So grading it based off that, it's not. it's not ideal from a turnover perspective,

but both these guys have struggled, and he's struggled against a lot harder defenses. Yeah, looking at it overall, I mean, obviously no one wants the turnovers, but I'm satisfied with what I'm seeing from Drake May, because, again, most of the guys turning the ball over are not countering them with great plays. He's doing that.

Yes, he's making some bad turnovers, but then he's doing this, you know? And so I'm, and like coach said, he's in his first playoff experience. That Houston defense was incredible. And so, and yet he managed, you know, to play well, fairly well against them, made some turnovers, yes. But overall, I'm not down at all. And I like the fact that you said it earlier, Nick, C.J.

Stroud looked shell-shocked by what was going on. Drake did not get down on himself for making. making a few bad plays and was able to still make big players. That's all true. And I think other than Wilds, I've been throughout the year the most optimistic and supportive of Drake May. With that said, the lack of adjustment during that Texans game to recognizing, oh, my only job is not turn the ball over was alarming. That part was alarming. that it was very clear, certainly at halftime,

this team's going to have trouble scoring, so I need to make sure I don't put the ball in jeopardy, and to put the ball on the ground, he had four fumbles, right? He has six fumbles in the postseason. He had four yesterday, and was very fortunate that two of them were not fumble sixes, the one that was bouncing around at the goal on, the other one that could have been scooped and scored going the other way.

And this is, again, I think it is, you know, as... I mean, we're watching the video clips. You have a left tackle. You're dropping back to pass. You're literally looking down the field. And you get stripped twice. It's not like they didn't have an X for the O. And you're not assuming that dude's going to get beat like he's in a turn style.

Okay. Coach, what about this one? Is this one? Am I allowed to criticize that one? That's a design run that he got punched out. This one is challenging. Now, and you also got to remember, Texans are one of the best team to lead.

It's generating. Listen, I know all that. I also just think four fumbles in a playoff game when the other team can't score, it's fair to say, hey, it's good you survived it. You need to clean that up before Denver comes to town, and the excuse can't be Nick Benito's really good next week. Is he going to run past rush moves against the left tackle to help get him better? Like, what do you want?

Legitimately two of these plays, Nick, are, I don't think they're just. be a player in the league that would have kept the ball. Okay, then it's just the other two fumbles. And we can relitigate last weeks as well. The point that I was trying to get to is this. I think the tax on

Drake May's incredible numbers against pressure this year is he, because he's first across the board in the passing numbers against pressure. Because sacks and fumbles don't hurt you, your stats in

that. And I think other more seasoned quarterbacks might either feel pressure a little earlier and get rid of the ball or throw the ball away. Drake May is consistently, and it's worked out great, hunting plays in the face of chaos. And I think that's hurt him at times thus far this post season. Live from New York, it's first thing's first overtime. Today was firing Sean McDermott the right move for the Buffalo Bills. Meanwhile, did this bill's loss? hurt Josh Allen's legacy. And finally, and I didn't approve of this bar. Can the Patriots keep winning this way

by throwing three touchdowns on one of the greatest defenses of all time? I don't know. What about the turnovers? A lot of fumbles like sacks. Nothing to say about that. Well, I say that we're in the AFC championship again about to go the Super Bowl.

Alongside Chris Brouss, Kevin Wilde's Nick Wright. Danny, do you think the Patriots can keep winning this way? Is spoiling the future of the O.T? People are here. What did you say Stidham's nickname once? No, it was Wilde's nicknamed him. Jared the Javlin. Jared the Javon?

I kind of like Stiddy. You cannot believe in Jared Stiddy. Well, come on. Probably not. Come on. Probably not. It's first thing's first. Nice path for you guys.

We're headed to the windy city where Caleb giveth and he taketh away. One of the most amazing plays in NFL history, set the bears up for a win before Ben Johnson just kicked an extra point with one point. So let's go to overtime. and then Caleb threw the ball to the rims. Here is Caleb's explanation of the interception, David. Saw the front side safety down, the front side of the concept, you know, ended up getting hemmed up a little bit.

And so I moved on and had DJ going over top over all of it. Just a miss me miscommunication between him and I. I tried to flatten him off under the safety, and he kept it vertical from, you know, what I saw on, you know, obviously in the moment. Danny, what do you make of how the Bears season ended? I mean, it's a heartbreaker. It's a heartbreaking ending to the most enjoyable Bears season of my life. I'm born in 86, so I'm not there for 85.

They went to the Super Bowl in 06, NFC championship game in 2010. But in terms of you have the coach, you have the quarterback, and they're going to be there for a decade. This was so unbelievably exciting. Like the game, they had it. Like, they had it. And so it just, it feels like a missed opportunity. And like, I will get there on the season, maybe over the course of this conversation.

But like, Roma Dunzee dropping the touchdown on the first drive of the game to go up seven feels like, felt like a missed opportunity. It was a lot of drops. A lot of drops, which has been a thing all year for them. And I think that factors in with Caleb's completion percentage some. But DJ Moore, I texted to someone. today with the Bears who said didn't think it was an effort thing. That said it was a new route concept this week, and it looked like he was just not confident

or where he was supposed to run with the coverage here on this last one. Which was the route concept where he's supposed to jog? Well, that's the thing. But the confusion of the coverage slowed him down, basically. It wasn't sure where we were supposed to go based on the coverage. But yeah, like point is Caleb made the right read. DJ didn't, but not an all-out effort thing. If you think that's better or worse, I guess reasonable minds can disagree.

But also just little things of execution. I thought short yardage was the story of the game. Yeah. Like just a couple of third and one failures. And then we have the graphic here. One of four on fourth down, 25% just, it was all there for the taking. And they didn't do it. And now they're going home.

And it was still an incredible season. But I can't help but feel just tremendous regret over the fact that they should still be alive today. Hold on. Hold on, bro. What? Just get them wilds. Explosive plays. I'll tell you what.

Have you ever seen the tush push go for an explosive play? I do think that Caleb should have run more. When they finally sneak them, it worked. I don't know why they weren't sneaking him more. Very frustrating. I would have love some tush pushers yet. Yeah, it sounds to me. And look, I agree.

I thought Caleb outplayed Stafford in the first half. I thought the Bears defense was, I was like, where has this been like the last two months? Game of their year. Yeah, they played great. But I'm surprised that you feel like you're speaking like Chicago was the better team. I thought yesterday they were. But I don't think they're, I think the Rams are the better team, clearly.

And so I think the right team won. I think that play from Caleb. And again, we've seen him make it time and time again. But that, you were fortunate with that. Like I'm looking at and I get it. I don't, I don't think it would. It certainly wasn't past interference with, you know, the little pushout, whatever. But I'm looking at that play.

Like, what in the world are the Rams defensive backs thinking? I mean, two of them are just. Well, they're thinking that I get it. I get it. He kind of got. And the NFL can't even get that ball in the pool. Yeah, but you still, you should not. They gave him too much room.

I'm just saying y'all were fortunate to get to overtime. And so I'm shocked that you're sitting here talking like y'all were the better team. I don't think you're the better team. I mean, I liked the idea of not going for two at the end of regulation because I thought their defense was doing such a good job on Stafford. And I thought that they were vindicated by it. They got the three and out to start overtime. And they had the ball.

They had a shot. But if Ben Johnson put up the two, which was Ben Johnson's whole thing, super aggressive. He's the offensive, you know, genius. You have just completed one of the most amazing. amazing touchdowns in NFL history. You had the momentum. You have all the momentum. The Rams are gassed.

I'm just very surprised. And maybe it worked out that you got the ball back. But I'm just shocked that you didn't go for it. I think if it was the game like they played a few weeks ago against the Niners and it's 4240 and it's a shootout and teams are getting whatever they want. But the Bears short yardage, it's why I showed it. Like the Bears short yardage all game was a failure. Colston Loveland.

who is a huge focal point for them. Obviously, it had been out with the concussion. And their defense was playing so well that I thought at home playing for overtime in that spot, given their short yardage failures, Loveland, how the defense had been. I thought it was a totally reasonable thing. And that throw from Caleb is so absurd. It's why I'm so bullish about the future because the Bears have a guy who can make this play. Honestly, how many quarterbacks get it to the goal line falling away at the 40?

It's a combo. I personally believe in my lifetime the only two quarterbacks that could combine the escape and the throw are the only three quarterbacks, pardon me, are Josh, Patrick, and Caleb. Like, I think there's a longer list of quarterbacks that could retreat and avoid the sack and a longer list of quarterbacks that from there off their back foot could make the pass. but the guys who have the athleticism to do the escape and the arm straight. Sure. Steve Young, potentially. Yeah.

It's such a short list. But it's still, yeah. That play doesn't have. It will never. It will never happen again except the week before. So I want to talk about the two-point conversion that I want to talk about. I think you're not sad enough. Not sad enough.

I think you're not sad enough. You know the future is bright. Let me defend. Here is why, even though I thought they were going to go for two, I think Ben Johnson, it was a checkmark in the pro column of Ben Johnson long-term head coach. To me, that he did not go for two because that was proof positive that he truly is making every decision contextual within the game. that is being played. Not just a blanket.

We're a go-for-it team. We're an aggressive team. I'm an offensive. He, no coach in the league more wants to go for two in that spot than Min Johnson. And maybe his internal math was wrong. But in his head, his math was, you know what? We've tried a bunch of our best short-yardage plays. They're not working.

So our best ones haven't been working. I think my devens can get a stop. And in this moment, even though had you asked me before the game, If you score a touchdown, down seven with 15 seconds left, are you going to go for two? My thought would have been, of course, I think in this spot we shouldn't do it. That to me was, even if it's the wrong decision, I like that there was a process rather than just a knee jerk. This is what we do. Now to your feelings.

We all said two hours ago that Caleb's that guy in some way or another. KW has been the most skeptical of him. moratorium on all criticism. I appreciated that. Yeah. He's made me a believer. Right. And I said, what a success.

And I said that I think he, he now, everyone has to acknowledge that it's on the board, that at one point in his career is the best player in the league. Like that is because of the playmaking, the athleticism, the arm and the clutch stuff. Those are the some of the most important things and the hardest things to learn. and the things he needs to get better at, I would argue, are some of the easier things learned. So all that is outstanding. But y'all did kind of blow that game,

and you are not guaranteed to be right back there. No. You guys were, you guys actually, it's not like you guys were 12 and 1 in one score games. I think you were 8 and 5, so it's not, you guys lost your fair share of those as well, even though it didn't feel that way. Deciding to win games in the last two minutes,

it's an odd stress. Right, and so this does feel like a potential magical season that if, whether it's DJ Moore running a better route, Caleb making a better throw or what I think is the more accurate criticism, not going for the kill shot on second and eight when a field goal wins the game and being a little more conservative with the decision there. whatever it is you're staring at Seattle and Sam Darnold and then either Denver with a backup quarterback or a Pats team with a quarterback the same year as Caleb.

Like this, this, you are not guaranteed to have a better Super Bowl chance in the next three years. You're not guaranteed to have better Super Bowl odds than you had headed into overtime of that game. Listen, I'm not. I'm not. in the next few years. I'm not going to argue the semantics of the odds there with you,

but, and call this the scar tissue of being a Bears fan that you guys have taken glee and mocking me with all year. Here comes 1941. No, it's not even that, though. It's like, I can intellectually understand what you're saying and also know. This is the best quarterback in the history of the franchise and the best coach in my lifetime watching the team. I turned 40 in October.

It's not a small sample size. Yeah, but that would have been. true if you won the game too. No, I definitely. But when you're saying I'm not sad enough, like, this is an A-plus-plus season that ended poorly. And when you have a 24-year-old quarterback who we all agree is one of the most talented players in the league with one of the shorthand list of best offensive minds in the league, and they're paired up with each other and on the same page, so much so that Caleb is wearing

Ben Johnson's high school jersey to games. Like this feels like chapter one of a 15 chapter book that, yeah, maybe it takes till chapter five, six or seven to get back there. But it feels to me inevitable that Caleb Williams will win an MVP and hoist a Lombardi trophy as a member of the Chicago Bears. It feels inevitable. I think, and I'll back that up, Nick, I think the reason that, because you can point to Joe Burrow and say, oh, the Bengals thought they're going to be in a, if you would have told them they're going to make the playoffs with what, three, four, four. years, you would have thought that was crazy after getting there in the second year. Really, his first year as like a full-time starter.

The difference is, and that would go, honestly, I think, for Drake May as well, Drake May and Burrow, they weren't finished products. They were going to improve. But they were closer to their prime, what they'll be

than Caleb. Like Caleb, you see as great, as good as he already is, it looks like, man, this guy's I can get, he's like barely over half to where he should, could be, you know, because he's still missing some different things that he should be able to acquire. So I think that's really one of the big reasons for you. I buy that and I know we have to move on. And for some guys, it's Mahomes' first year as a starter in the playoffs, lose a heartbreaker in the AFC championship game.

We know we're going to be right back in the next year they win the Super Bowl. And for some guys, it's Joe Burrow going to the Super Bowl. it's Lamar going 14 and 2 and winning league MVP. It's Josh making the AFC championship game in his third year. Against Mahomes, it's like, oh, it's all right. We're going to be right back. And you just don't know. Like it's just, and this will apply if the Patriots don't win the Super Bowl.

All of it. Like, it is, it all, Jayden last, oh, don't worry. Right. Like, it feels a lot like how I'm certain commanders fans felt after the NFC championship game. sucked except at least that one, they were like, well, we got blown out. So again, I'm not trying to make you feel bad, but I just, it's hard. It's just these moments are fleeted. But he's right.

That's a good. No, you're right. We have a steady schedule of going to or making the Super Bowl this century. So I, under, it's not Bears Patriots, not quite the same. We are always consistently going to the Super Bowl. With Tom Brady, you certainly are. We'll see if you continue with Drake, we're a game. You're not there yet.

We're a game away. Yeah, and they were two games away. Just don't lose to Jared to Jen. Me? I don't know yet. It's not picks time yet. I am wearing a Broncos. Zoom in on his eyeballs. New era in Buffalo. Sean McDermick, gone.

Pretty stellar run as the head coach. Tied for the most playoff appearances, had 7-10 win seasons, winning percentage of 662 second best. Danny, you think this was the right move? Yes, I do. And I think that Brandon Bean conversation is totally valid and that if McDermott was to go,

Brandon being their GM should have gone also. But that's why I said it on Friday's show. I did not think he was secure with this job. Their last six playoff losses, a defensive head coach, they've allowed, on average, 33 points per game in those playoff losses. Is that all on him?

Of course not. Some of it is on the GM. But he's a defensive head coach. And if we were going to apply the S-Bob Lodge, Super Bowl or bust like we did with the Ravens and say like at some point, okay, John Harbaugh, you got that portion of Lamar's prime. You didn't get over the hump. We have to try something else because we're not moving on from Lamar.

To me, the exact same logic just applied to Buffalo with, okay, you have fallen short, fourth divisional round playoff loss in the last five years. You have underperformed relative to your regular season success in the playoffs. Josh Allen has plenty of prime left, but a different coach gets to take that baton and try to carry it across the finish line. So is it fair? Maybe not, but I do think it's just how it works in the NFL.

Yeah, especially because it's sacrilege to mention that in the last three of those playoff losses, the alleged best player in the leagues had the ball and his hands down less than a score and hadn't come through for him. I'm happy to talk about that too. No, I'm saying like, but that Josh Allen is not, Josh Allen got him there, and when they win, it's because of Josh Allen, and when they lose, it's because the roster's bad of the coach's bad.

Those are the rules with this player. And the coaches, and by the way, I also understand and agree with the logic of too much scar tissue at this point. This is what I felt. I felt like there was a real long tail to me of the 13 seconds game, whether there should have been or not, there was. and this locker room seemed like it was that they had an all-time great player who was retiring after the game. Like that was the emotions of it. Like it was, you know, he came back for one more run for this.

And that's not. And so I do think moving on in theory makes sense. If they hired Davis Webb because he's Josh's best friend or Joe Brady because he's a good play caller, I will feel more squeamish about it. Brian Dable seems to make sense, but I watched the Giants over the last few years. I didn't look at the Giants and be like, man, got some issues, but they are a well, well-coached team.

So you are rolling the dice here. Like, I don't think they're going to hire Mike Tomlin. And so everything else is, if they hired Mike Tomlin, I would say this is an A-plus move. I agree. But everything else, me is a big dice role, even if we understood this relationship would probably run its course. I think that's always the case.

Even in ball, I don't feel as strongly about getting rid of McDermott as I did about Harbaugh in Baltimore. But in both cases, whenever you get rid of a really good coach that you know is a great, it is a risk because you don't know what you're getting in there. But I agree with you guys. Like they, I think it was time. And, you know, I don't. think they should hire Josh's best friend, though.

And he may be a good coach. I just, it could work out, but I just don't really like, you don't want the player to be fair is getting head coaching interviews with other places. So that would be, but that, that to me would be a clunky setup with someone with that close

of a personal relationship and that close in age to your star quarterback. All right, let's dig in on the game. Josh gave the ball up too many times. Interceptions, fumbles, and he took the blame for the loss in the post game. Take a listen.

It's extremely difficult. I feel like I let my teammates down. I just missed opportunities throughout the game. It's been a long season. I hate how it ended. And it's going to stick with me for a long time. Danny, did this game change your opinion about Josh Allen? Only a little, and I don't mean for this to be a cop-out,

but like that has to matter. And it does. Like, Josh Allen had five turnovers in his first 13 playoff games. And four yesterday. Like, that's really bad. Now, does it change my opinion that he is on the short list of best football players alive? Like, no. Like, I'll still take the sample of all of that there.

But, like, he was bad yesterday to the point that the discussion about, like, pass interferences or the interception, I do think it's a totally fair, like, media criticism of people trying to let him off the hook. Because I don't think, to back to the McDermott thing, I think they had made a decision, like, if we fall short of the Super Bowl were moving on from him. I don't think it was just because of how they played in this game. You did a good job going through throws through the whole game earlier. I'll just focus on the end. Like, the last three drives that Buffalo had the ball, Josh Allen messed up.

You showed the one to Shakir earlier. Like, this is a. Glant case of your quarterback, not getting it done. They end up settling for the field goal here to go up 27, 24. Instead of going up eight, that is clearly 100% on Josh Allen. Then the next drive, which is the last one of regulation, would have been a great throw. That's a hard play. It's actually got to layup.

It's not a layup, but if he's the most talented quarterback ever to live, Cato. It's a throw that Josh would say that he should make. And he was open, even if it is a tough play. And then this is the one that you guys haven't shown. And it surprised me that it isn't more a part of the narrative. Because it's the throw before the Cook's interception. He has Hardman wide open on the 11. That is a.

The broadcast said that was a perfect throw. No. No, no, no. That is not even close to a perfect throw. He catches it they are in field goal range. He catches it in stride. Maybe he turns up field. Who knows?

But it is not an exact. to say that if he hits any of those three throws on the last three drives in the game, Buffalo wins, and we're not talking. Because that last one to Hartman is the throw before the Cook's interception, it's the literal next play. So you have to downgrade him a little bit. I think maybe I didn't focus as much on that one because I disagree with respect to our friends that broadcasted the game with their target,

field goal target line, which put that target line at the 46, which means they thought anything inside of 63 yards was going to be. I know it's mile high. Mile high just like they would attempt to do. No, but they certainly would have been closer and that was, but also McColl could have gotten it. It should have been a better pass. It's not a good throw. Listen, I here's what I think absolutely is fair, Brew.

I think it is fair if we would like to put a at least temporary moratorium on the following statement. Josh Allen, all-time great playoff quarterback. He's an all-time great wild card round quarterback. That's what he has been. and we can show it to you, and he is the greatest wild card round quarterback ever. Even if you remove that two and six part of the eight games in the other rounds, 13 touchdowns in eight games is good.

It's not all-time great. Nine fumbles in eight games is not good or even. How many of those were lost, do you know? The, I think three. I think three of the nine. But I chalked that up to random luck. And a pass-a-rating of 91. is fine.

And so he, there has been a lot of, if not for Mahomes, brew. But now it's, if not for Mahomes, or the time he played Burrow in the divisional round and they scored 10 points or the time they played Bo Nix in the division round and he had four turnovers. Like, that to me is a fair addendum to what this game does. It doesn't change my view at all. I'm surprised, Dan, because you didn't, I don't think you felt that Chargers game changed your view of Herbert, right?

I said it had to factor in a little bit and not enough for you guys. But you're not dropping him at all, but you're dropping Josh Allen? Listen, what I said is it is a thing that has to, it is a huge data point on where we view Josh Allen. Like if you say Josh Allen's the best player in football going in the next year, I think it's a reasonable opinion. But this playoff game sticks with it. Who has that title going into next year right now? Probably Josh. I kind of think the thing.

In your mind, like I don't know who has. Josh are my home at this moment. It's Josh and my mom. Holmes, but Mahomes is coming off a huge injury. Mahomes off an injury doesn't get to... And two years where the stats are down. Missing the playoffs. Doesn't get the...

Okay, well, then it's... Then Matt Stafford or Drake May or somebody. It can't be... We can't be like, hey, going into this year, this guy wasn't the best player in the league. He didn't win MVP. They got to round two of the playoffs, and he had four turnovers, and now he's the best player in the league. All right, fine, Drake.

I want to make... He's not Drake. He did some more numbers to his MVP season. He's not Drake. Do the Broncos? Without due respect. Still have a chance of the Super Bowl next. Welcome back to the OT.

We got the birthday boy, Coach Manjini out here. Thank you. Willie Colon as well. We go to Denver. Broncos got the win over the bills in overtime, but at the cost of Bo Nix, fractured ankle, six minutes left in overtime. Of course, ruled out for the season, which means Jared Stiddle leads the Broncos this upcoming weekend. Sean Payton, though, expressed a ton of confidence post game.

Take a listen. Steadie's ready to go. I said this beginning of the season, I feel like I've got a two that's capable of starting for a handful of, you know, a number of teams. And I know he feels the same way. So watch out. Watch, watch, just watch. I'll just say, Stiddy, good nickname. Makes me, makes me confident that he can get it done.

Coach. Go ahead. Coach, what about you? Yeah, I absolutely think they have a chance to win without nix. And here's something that's interesting is when Josh McDaniels went to the Raiders, they traded for Jared. And then when Sean went to Denver, I think he was one of his first signings. He was a day one free agency. Yeah.

So there's obviously two really accomplished offensive coordinators and offensive coaches who believe in his ability to lead a team and to be really successful. Outside of that, if he just doesn't turn the ball over, this is another really good. defense, lead the league in sacks. And the one issue that New England's had is the sack issue. And Drake Mays being sacked at over 15 percent of the time, which is double his regular season rate. Sacks lead to turnovers. Turnovers obviously don't lead to good things. And they got so lucky last game. And the quarterback play on the other side was so bad that it's hard for me to think that they don't have a really good shot in this game. Yeah, I chose Sean Payton in this position, to be honest with you.

I don't know much about Stidham and then what you, you know, facts you just laid down coach, but his record shows that he's capable of delivering with a backup quarterback. This is his record with non-week-one starter. That's pretty good, right? So now you're talking about Stidham, who, by the way, there's questions about his mobility. He's mobile.

He's not as mobile as Bo Nix, but he can deliver. On top of that, coach, you just laid down, the defense is going to show up. I think the shot in the R will be J.K. Dobbins, if he can go in this game. I think he helps the Russian attack. and overall offense. But right now, Sean Payton has been here.

You know he's going to deliver it. He's going to tailor a script in an offense around what Stiddle him can do best. And to your point, he just can't crash the car. Don't turn a bar. Don't be sloppy in this game. You got a shot of winning the AFC championship. I mean, listen, the Texans just lost by 12 to New England with five turnovers.

So have less than five. Right. But you have less than five turnovers and you can keep it close. It's a massive story. I can't really think of a great football comp for an injury to a quarterback, like this. I mean, it's the, Jared Stead of him, he's had four career starts. It'll be the fewest starts ever for a quarterback making a start in a conference championship game. So this is obviously a very weird situation that we'll be unfolding. Sean Payton, a great coach, to have you go through

it. But I will, I do think that like Denver's formula all year, why I've doubted them for a lot of the year, has been like, I don't know that they can keep getting away with winning games in low-scoring affairs when their quarterback doesn't play that well. They have the most wins in the last 10 years when they score 20 or fewer points. So they can win 1714 if their defense

is dominant. So I think it's play a clean game, let your defense in your home crowd bring you to the Super Bowl. And the flip side of it is Drake Mays played against two really good defenses, but the volume of turnovers that he's had and how lucky did they get?

And I know we talk about the doorstep of And Destiny, maybe to some degree on his side, the way those balls bounce. But those balls don't necessarily bounce that way every single game. And he's put the ball on the ground a ton. And the left side of the line has really struggled with any kind of consistent infection. I know you've got to move on. Well, no, it's to talk about the Patriots here, because Drake May did overcome that Texans defense, despite his three turnovers, had the three touchdowns.

But Drake May was talking about now their road to Denver after overcoming this game with the Texas. Take a listen. It's going to keep on getting tougher. You know, we play, you know, we keep on playing, you know, great defenses with great quarterbacks and teams that deserve to be here. And that's what we feel like we, you know, deserve to be here. And we got times where, you know, we're going to have to be at our best when, in critical moments.

And it comes down to, it's going to come down to the end and it's going to come down to making plays when you have them. And I got to just, you know, keep on giving our chance to make plays. And I like our chances when, with those guys in those locker room. So that's a lot of sacks and a lot of fumbles, Willie. Can the Patriots keep winning this way? Yeah, and I think it starts with Drake May. I think the true measure of a man is how he handles adversity, and I thought he did a great job of that standing up in key moments in that game against the Texans.

And you also got to understand coach mentioned that office line, that left side of the office line led by Will Campbell. That young man was scared out there. Rightfully so, Danelle Hunter and Will Anderson's the dogs. But you saw as a game progressed, man, they just simply can't hang on. And also their fundamentals were fleeting. man, I said it last week, DP, you know, the X factor for this game had to be Stefan Diggs. He was. And it allowed Keesha, Kishong Booty to win on the outside.

This receiving court for the Pats really had to step up because I thought the game against the Steelers, Texas versus Steelers, man, this defense was like, man, once they shut down Dek. It was like, we don't want to load the box. They can't do nothing else. That wasn't the case in this game. They had to respect the past game, which allowed Drake may be big in a situation of football. Overall, man, they can keep winning because of what they. their defense has been able to do. But he has to play better. I like that. I like the fact that he responded even when things were going south for him. Yeah. And Nick and I were having a

discussion earlier about the fumbles. And I thought there were multiple times where May really didn't have a shot. He drops back to pass. The left tackle gets beat so quickly that there's you're not anticipating that happening as a quarterback. So he gets the strip sack. You know, is that avoidable? I don't think there's a, uh, a, uh, clock in your head that thinks the guy's going to get beat that quickly. So, so, but all that being said, it's really hard to win any game when you lose the turnover battle. They've been able to win the turnover battle.

But if he keeps putting the ball on the ground with this kind of volume, regardless of whether it's his fault or the offensive lines fault, it catches up to you and especially in moments like this. Right. 10 sacks and five turnovers in two playoff wins. It's just not normally a formula that you, that you, that you've, they've, would think. So my gut tells me no, but the path has just opened up for them. Like, they have to go to Denver. Real tough place to play. Real loud. Historic pass rush. But you get a backup quarterback there. So, like, I would imagine what you were just saying about Jared Stidham,

play a clean game, don't turn it over. Isn't that the whole thing with Drake May? The only way we lose this game is if we lose it. They're not going to be able to take it from it. Yeah. Now, he's had the two playoff game. So there's been that growth in terms of the learning curve. But playing in Denver, I've unfortunately lost an AAC championship game in Denver. The volume there is loud. We lost the T-Bone company and the place was shaking. It is. That's embarrassing.

Yeah, it's ridiculously loud. And when you have that, it's hard to adjust any plays at the line of scrimmage. Things are going on a silent count and your ability even to get the communication from the coach to quarterback and then the quarterback to the guys in the huddle. Willie, you can talk about this. It's different. It's difficult, especially when you have a shaky office line because one, you don't hear the calls. And two, you don't trust what you're seeing, right?

So now you're seeing too much, instead of focusing on your keys and your details. What's interesting for Drake May is he's going to have to win the early downs to calm this line down, right? Because when you're playing in a hostile territory and it's loud and you're seeing this, you know, I'm looking at Nick Benito. I'm looking at all these guys,

and they start barking at you, man. If you don't have your wits about you, it can get away from you fast. So you talk about these turnovers. I'm more about the mental capacity of this, off salon dealing with this past rest in the Broncos. Well, it's not the AFC championship that we all figured, but all of a sudden it's there. You're here now.

Right, Drake made Jared Stiddle for a chance to go to the Super Bowl on the line. Now, this is a question I didn't agree with. Bears loss on Caleb. Say it ain't so. Time now for some he said we said, we listen to the best sound from the weekend. Then we give you the analysis on it. First up, as it should be. guy Caleb on the loss. It's tough. And so, you know, in these moments, you feel that you let your

team down, you feel that you, you know, you know, this or that. And, you know, it's a good lesson learned for us. First time been in a situation for me and for us as a team. And, you know, I'm excited for, you know, what's to come. But obviously, you know, going to go back and watch this and figure out how I can be better. And that's the exciting part. So this is a devastating way for this season to end, whether that is on DJ Moore, whether he was too aggressive in that spot. It's devastating, frankly, because I thought they outplayed the Rams. But juxtaposing, and it's the whole yin and yang of Caleb. Yeah. The guy that makes that mistake, and you could say an unnecessary throw if you want to,

is also the guy that can make the throw to Cole Komet on fourth and four. Back at the end zone. He throws this ball from the 40-yard line. It travels 51 yards in the air. He's 26 yards behind the line of scrimmage. It's one of the most ridiculous plays I've seen in the history of football. And I don't know how sad I'm supposed to be when my team has a guy who can do that for the next 15 years. Yeah, there's no.

I'm sad today, but I'm going to be fine tomorrow. There's no doubt he's Chicago's Jesus and Cleats. I get it after a throw like that. But the problem right now is we know he's capable of this, right? But can he orchestrate drives where he doesn't put his team? or the ball at risk of losing games. And then when you saw the last game, this last thrill where he throws an interception in overtime,

I'm saying to myself, Caleb, we don't need that right now. We need you to methodically march us down the field and be and keep the ball intact. And you throw it away. And so I'm never going to look at Caleb Williams, any other. Like, it's hard for me to gaze.

Like, I love to throw the cold commit. I was jumped off my couch like everybody else. But this right here, I didn't sleep that night. Because Chicago right now will be on fire. They'll be naked people running in the street drunk because they're going to the NFC championship. Yeah, it would have been Danny. So I'm saying to myself, how did you know? How can you go from here to zero that fast?

Like, it just didn't make sense to me. It's playoff football. When you watch him on the touchdown pass, and this is a lot of his great plays, it's like he's over-caffeinated. And then when you get to the normal plays and the interception, the thing that's so frustrating about the interception, if we can bring it back is, there's absolutely no pressure. No pressure. On the interception. He's sitting back there and you can watch the receivers on the end zone copy.

One stops running the middle read because it's gone for so long. And then on the over route, watch the middle read. See how he's starting to slow up? And the overrout, it's the same thing because it's, but all that being said, there's no pressure on him either. Look for the checkdown. Coach, you can run. On the left hand side, the defensive ends come inside of the offensive tackle.

or throw it away. Just lived to fight another day. Okay, we all agree. He should not have thrown the interception. Interception was suboff. Well, the interception spoiled that amazing throw. Eh, I'll remember the throw. Next up, C.J. Stroud was asked

if he ever considered taking himself out of a playoff game. Bold question. I don't think that's smart on my part to get myself out the game. And, you know, I don't think my coach would ever do that either. But if he did, I would understand. But I think, you know, my whole team. trust me, you know, they believe in me. Just like how quick can go bad, they know how quick I can get hot.

So, you know, today it just wasn't my day. So I thought this was a pretty obvious bench the QB at halftime spot, because not just because of the turnovers, but because how he looked after the turnovers and some of his incompletions. He legitimately looked like he could have had nine interceptions. It was, it was atrocious. And I will say this, and Willie, I know you won't like it. I would be on the phone today asking Aaron Rogers if he wants to play for me.

football next year. The Texans do not lose that game of Aaron Rogers to their quarter. Yeah, you play Davis Mills and you win the game. Well, that's easy. He was on the roster. Davis Mills was an option yesterday. Aaron Rogers would be a great option for them next season. Yeah, the Trevor Lawrence experience really throws everything off because he has that,

that game where he throws the four picks in the first half and has the incredible second half. So it's not that far in the past where everybody doesn't realize that that can happen. And now you come out at the start of the second half, and they have a nice drive and they kick a field goal. I really believe if that first drive of the second half had gone south as well, they probably would have made the move. But they kicked the field goal. Then they get the ball back.

They're driving again. The running back fumbles. That's not on C.J. Then at the start of the fourth quarter, they're down by less than a touchdown. So it's one of those things where he is your starter, and you do have this faith in him. But when you watch it, there was just not anything redeeming throughout the course of game where you're like, all right, he's got a chance to get hot like he talked about. Well, stuck out for me. Every thrill seemed like his confidence was fleeting his arm, right?

Like even when the rollouts, he was skipping it to guys. He tore his titans ACL from the past that kind of fell behind him. They got split his legs. Nevertheless, man, if you're looking at, if you're Domeko Ryan's, man, this didn't happen in one guy. This was two weeks of bad football from your starting quarterback, right? You could have like 20 games. Wasn't a great season. But I get that.

But I'm talking about if you used to regular season, Mahonis. Right, the playoffs. Right. Playoffs right now. You can't ask your defense to do any more than what they did. Like I felt like Damico Ryan's like, hey, kid, I'm sorry, but this is our window. We got to maximize this because you know this coach. We're watching it right now.

There's going to be a new roster, new coaches. This won't be the same outfit. And you just blew it because you put all your faith in C.J. Stroud. C. C.J. Stroud cost himself a lot of money this off season. Next up, we hear from the Seahawks locker. room after the big win. Same time next week.

Yeah, look, it's funny. It's like, yeah, we're celebrating, but it's like, we're on to the next one. We're on to the freaking next one. Okay? It's on to the next one. I'll tell you what, though, understand why, fellas, understand why we won the game. You stacked plays. Mob on three, one, two, three.

They are dominant. Like, to be able to have blowouts in the modern NFL with your quarterback not playing that, not playing that well just speaks to the totality of your team. We talked about it last week. One team was healthy. One team was at home. One team was rested. And the other team was the San Francisco 49ers.

I don't think it would be this lopsided, but the Seahawks looked like a runaway freight train. I knew it was going to come down to the defensive line. The defense line on the line of scrimmaged. I mean, they imposed their well. And the way they beat up CMC and the rest of that crew, you're right. The Niners were a duct tape team. We all understand that. But I thought the energy and the level in which they showed up with speaks values

them. While they, listen, they potentially, give them to Lombardi. I don't see anybody taking over, like, stopping this defense of being who they are right now. Yeah, the dominant against San Francisco, who came off of East Coast swing on a shortened week and beat up. You know who they haven't been dominated? The Rams. Those have been too close games. It won the last one, though.

587 yards of offense is not dominant, where that's what the Rams put up, hung on them. And then the question again is, can Sam Darnold in these big, the biggest, moments rise up. Well, he hasn't really been put to the test yet, right? Well, when a game like that. Last time we talked about it was the first game against the Rams when the number one seed was initially in the balance and he throws four against him. He goes four interceptions.

And so, so that matchup against the 49 is a great matchup and the game's last side and it looks like everything's going one way, but they, they have not played the Rams anywhere near the way that they played other teams. You're right. and listen, they've been, the Seahawks and Rams have been top two on my top 10 list since like week 11, I think, just going back and forth on the order. So I do think these are the two best teams. It does feel like the winner of that game is your Super Bowl champion.

But the Seahawks seem to be going like this and the Rams seem to be going like this. Like the Bears exposed the Rams. The Rams defense has not been good down the stretch. Like I think Seattle, like preview for my pick in that game, I'm going to like Seattle in that spot against the Rams. Yeah, I'm not convinced. that it's going to be anywhere near as dominant as people think it is. Forget about what happened last week. They barely escaped Carolina.

Okay. It took Stafford to get surgery. He loves Carolina, though. Oh, I forgot. I got it. And I want another upset alert there. However, and Carolina, again, they didn't play Carolina well the first time. Right.

We watched Devon's targeted 13 times and only have five catches. I mean, he just wasn't him. He was barely him against the Bears. These coaching teams getting in the way of our football talk. There's an opening. Coach Josh Allen coming up. What happens if Josh Allen loses, Danny? He gets a new coach?

No. No way. Really? Really? That's amazing. We would obviously ask the question. I'm interested in it. I think it's on the board.

What a shocker. Who could have possibly seen that one coming? Flexone. Oh, I guess it was me. No, this is how it works. You could say it's not fair, but to see everybody in the media shot. that a guy who's been there nine years and lost in the divisional round

for the last five years who has Josh Allen's prime. I'm not shocked by this. They've underachieved in the playoffs relative of their regular season success. This happens, Coach. Yeah, it was a dysfunctional franchise that hadn't made the playoffs in 18 years

and then he comes in and they win five division championships. But to me, this says, hey, we had good enough personnel and the coaching didn't get it done and so we're going to promote the personnel guy. Let's just take a quick look at this statistic here because I think you guys might be interested in it.

Okay, since drafting Josh out in 18, they drafted 56 players two have made the Pro Bowl. So I guess it's all coaching. I would have fired Brandon Bean too. Yeah, Brandon Bean is the reason for the lack of receiver depth and injuries on the defensive line. It was a lot of holes. Brandon Bean is responsible for it. We didn't do the topic on if the GM should have been fired too. But I would have been fine.

I'm just saying I'm not surprised that McDermott had to go. We're back tomorrow on the OT. Thanks for hanging out.