First Things First - Bucs beat Texans, Hurts under or overrated, Chargers AFC West favorites, Mahomes Mountain

Episode Date: September 16, 2025

(0:00) Bucs beat Texans,  Chargers AFC West favorites, Is Tampa Bay a Super Bowl contender?  (26:11) Jalen Hurts under/overrated, Panic time for Raiders?  (40:13) Bills Super Bowl favorites after Week 2 (45:33) Mahomes Mountain (01:05:48) Caleb Williams’ growth, ‘Perfect’ Tush push controversy, Commanders in trouble? (01:21:41) Brou’s MVP Ballot (01:25:43) Chargers beat Raiders, Is Herbert a top-5 QB? (01:47:29) Danny’s Top Ten Teams after Week 2 (01:56:25) Jalen Hurts called underrated, Time for Texans to panic?  (02:08:01) Jayden Daniels day-to-day, Should Commanders fans be worried? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Live from New York. I am back. It's a show that has an IMDB page and we'll tell you about it. Two of the three of us. Don't be mad. Yeah. I'm not mad. We'll stop falling for you.

Brew's been in multiple TV shows and movies. I've been in one with Academy Award winner, J.K. Simmons. What were you in? National champions. The movie about the football players that were on strike before the national championship came to get paid. Kind of foreshadowed NIL. I'm actually the first voice. and face you see in the movie.

Wow. Wow. Yeah, that's good. You got to pick it up, KW. I'm in nothing. But I'm not an actor. I was just playing a broadcaster. That's why I can't act like bro.

Yeah. I got range. Right. First hour of first things first. Today, Justin Herbert, undefeated. Got a little swagger to him now with the pretty girlfriend? That's their early tape.

Famous too. Are the Chargers now the team to beat in the AFC West? Meanwhile, Super Bowl, MVP. Halen Hurts, new article in the athletic, detailing how underrated he is. Does anyone here agree or disagree or how far as the pendulum swing around? I think we've gone. I think we're now in the other direction. Yeah, I'm like, under.

I don't know. It's confusing. And finally, the coldest segment in all of sports, actually a historic segment coming up. Can I tell you something? You told us yesterday. I'm not getting any of the way. I didn't say historic, but you're implying that if Mahomes isn't at the top, it will be first time. It would not be the first time. No, I know. No, he wasn't on the top.

It's been a long time. It's been a long time. It feels like that. It's, he might have been several years. Um, but the, no, it's, there was a moment a couple years ago. He was not at the top. And then he quickly regained it. Since I've been on the show? Yeah, definitely. He's not on the top every week. His name is it's, it's, it's his name's. It's his namesake. Like, but it, but now it's more LeBron-esque. No. No. No. Like, and of course, like, and of course, problem but it's named after him. It's like an honorary. No, that that part's not true. Oh, good job. Okay. We start with the bake show two touchdowns on the night in the air. Another game, another game winning drive. 15 yards scramble on fourth and 10 to

keep the game winning drive alive. Richard White's two-yard touchdown with six seconds left sealed the game. Look at the bake show go. That was a fourth in 10 man. He's so good. That was awesome. Here's Baker's ready to fight too. Yeah. similar to what I told you guys last week in these two minute close games we were not on the right side of things for the past couple years and it's good to see that we haven't even played close to our best ball in all three phases and we're still finding ways to win on the road and that's that's really important Baker trailing in the fourth quarter since the start of last season completing about 74% of his passes passer rating at 1.08 he leads the whole league in completion percentage Seven touchdowns, two interceptions. Nick, you've always believed in the bake show. Now do you believe the Bucks are real Super Bowl contenders?

I have you have them going to. I have them going to the Super Bowl, and I mean, how could they not be? Like the combination of great skill position players that we think are going to get better, when Godwin gets there and as a Bucca, you know, gets older in his rookie year, two running backs that most teams would love to have as just one of their running backs. Todd Bowles, big weakness historically has been game management, and I thought he was excellent at it last night on both sides, and he's always been great at cooking up blitzes,

which they might need to more now because Colisea Cancey tore his pack in the game. That was the one real loss. Right tackle went out, but Cancey potentially lost for the season. And then you have Bakeshow, who dating back to his time in Cleveland, when he went to Pittsburgh and hung almost 50 on him in the play. playoffs, has always been a very good big game quarterback, and now has proven over the last year plus he is quite simply without any qualifiers needed, one of the very best quarterbacks in

football. Here are his ranks in the league since the start of last season. He's top four across the board. Total touchdown second, total yard second, passer rating fourth. and when you add to it, the path of that division to where, and one of the reasons I picked them to go to the Super Bowl is, they were my pick to be the one seat. Because I think the NFC East is going to provide more potential pitfalls for Philly along the way.

The NFC North is going to provide more pitfalls along the way. And as we're seeing this year, the NFC West could, you know, The West all of a sudden is really tough. The South is not. And so for them to play two teams that going into the year brew, I think we're considered either right on the outside or right on the inside of projected playoff pictures. Atlanta and Houston.

Like, you know what I mean? They were both projected to be like somewhere from 8 and 9 to 10 and 7, like not great teams but good teams, not play their best, steal victories, and R and B-2-0, yes, me they are true contenders. No, they look good. I said yesterday they are not Super Bowl contenders.

I will say today that they are. Wow. I think they are. I still have Green Bay, which is my picking the NFC, Philadelphia and Detroit ahead of them. Detroit, too. Yeah, I mean, Detroit will seem to have they righted everything. We can see.

But right now I'd probably go with Detroit. But I think Tampa Bay is right there after that. As you say, I mean, Baker is now, he's gone from, I think, a few years ago, One of us said he's a dark horse MVP candidate. So he is a legitimate MVP candidate now. And like you say, he can run, he can pass, he's clutched. The players believe in him. So he has the intangibles to galvanize the locker room.

The defenses play well. That's bold specialty. They stopped the run well. Bucky Irving has, and I know Rashad is good too, but Bucky Irving has kind of changed everything for them. Remember, they didn't have a running game for so long. Correct. And he corrected that. right away. He can also catch it out of the backfield. So yeah, I think as you alluded to last

week when we were in Kansas City, if everybody plays their A-plus game. If everybody plays their a plus game, I think the teams I mentioned are better, but obviously that doesn't always happen. I agree with that you do have a quarterback that can ratchet it up in the big game. So I think they're right. I would probably say second-tier Super Bowl contender, but contender nonetheless. The confetti test is Simmons's thing. It's so ubiquitous. I just kind of think it's a thing. We're used to you taking other people's things and making them your own.

Defense wins championships, Achilles heel. People have done that to you, I'm saying. You came up with that. It's like a get back. Now the shoe's on the other foot. Trademark. Oh, wow. Confetti test a lot of times in the NBA, can you close your eyes,

see this superstar hosting the Larry O'Brien Trophy? NFL-wise, if you close your eyes, you don't have to do it. Can you see Baker holding the Super Bowl MVP trophy? Outside, they're contenders, they're good. Can you actually see him winning it all? I could see him eventually winning the Super Bowl. This year, I would say no. I can, I know we're going to talk about them shortly.

By that test, I can see that this year more easily than I can see Justin Herbert this year. I just feel like it's, I feel like there is a, say it again. Playoff success? I mean, I just feel like he has had more of the steps of the journey. Yeah. You know what I mean? And we've seen him play really well in multiple years in the playoffs. And I thought you were going to mention this because you love fairly that Jalen Hertz has won.

What is it now 18 in a row, 17 in a row? Well, he's now 16 and O in his last 16. But I think it's okay. Well, whatever it is, the last time, the last team to beat the Philadelphia Eagles, when Jalen Hurts started and finished the game were Baker's Tampa Bay Bucks, and they throttled them. It was 33 to 16. No. No, no, no, no, 33 to 16.

It was a week four. Yeah, it was almost a week four of last season. You know what I mean? Like that was when they were two and two and, you know, on shaky ground, and then the Eagles have been this dominant force since then. I think that's sneaky helps them. You know what I mean? That they feel, you know, they don't feel like.

oh, we're overmatched by this game. We can play with anybody. And I feel like we would be remiss without, and maybe at this point, this is the end of it. But just acknowledging what a disastrous chain of events the Brown set into motion on themselves. Oh, yeah. And I don't know.

Like, when we go back, can I go ahead? Sorry, I don't mean to cut you off. Would Baker have become this if he stayed there is what you're going to ask? Yeah. Well, Stephansky is a good coach. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I think that had the Bucks, I'm sorry, the Browns embraced Baker the way Sean McVeigh and then the Bucks did maybe. I do know that in his first, he was the number one pick for a franchise that has been looking for a quarterback for decades.

They were 1 and 31 in the two years before they drafted him. One in 31. He then sets the rookie record for touchdown passes, his first year, obviously. And his third year, they win a playoff game in Pittsburgh, and by his fifth, they're like, we're too good for you. And that is, and we will, you know, we will move heaven and earth to bring in Deshawn Watson in large part because Odell's dad thinks you're a problem. And it just.

Yeah, that was the thing. I mean, there were a lot of factors. It wasn't just Odell. But Odell being such a popular player. Remember when he first got there, he and Baker was like, oh, they're going to be this team, great tandem and all that. Odell was so popular around the league in that locker room that when his dad kind of turned on it, it was like everybody went against Baker.

And if they had Baker-Mayfield, because that defense is good, they give up a lot of points because the office does nothing. But the defense is actually really good. They would be, I'm not going to say contender, but they'd be a playoff team. They would definitely be a playoff team. team after Baker with Joe Flacco. Yeah, they can use some damage in the play. I think on the heels of Tom Brady's hit with Colin when he talked about quarterback development,

next time we have Baker on the show, I think it's a good question for him. If you stayed in Cleveland, would you be this player? Yeah. I don't know what the answer is. Baker's one of the. He had good moments. It's not like he was Sam Arnold or something. You know, he had some really good moments.

I don't know if anybody's skill is enough to overcome a organization that doesn't have. have the structure to make you great. Sure. Maybe he wouldn't have reached these heights, but they opted out of quarterback stability. That's right. And we'll see if and when they recover. Fifth straight year, the bucks have started 2 and 0.

On the other side of the ball, the Texans came up short. Winless to start the season. C.J. Stroud, expecting to hear some criticism. Take a listen. Sun arise in the morning. You know, it's not the end of the world. But at the same time, you know, we all get paid a service. you know, to do a job.

And, you know, we got to get those jobs done at a faster rate. And, yeah, I think, you know, as a team, we got to just stay together. Everybody's going to talk crazy. And we suck, we dis, we this, we that. And at the end of the day, we got to stay together and just mesh well. Okay. Is it time for the Texans to panic? I don't think panic.

I mean, they've played two really good teams. Two, you think Super Bowl contenders, both of the Rams. And they've lost by a combined total. of six points. The defense is good. I mean, you face Matthew Stafford and Baker Mayfield, and I think they're giving up about 17 points a game. Like the defense has been good.

We know they have a strong pass rush. Their problem has been offensively. They haven't gotten it going. And it is now time to wonder what in the world is going on with C.J. Strout, who was fantastic as a rookie, started out that second season pretty strong. And then since then, he hasn't been like horrible. But he hasn't been close to what made everyone love him a few years ago.

Well, if you cut his, brew, you can keep going, but just show the graphic. If you cut his career in half, now the midway point does happen to be the moment he told Caleb, come here, a young fellow. Let me teach you. But it's 17 games on both sides, brew. And those are drastically different numbers. 26 to 5 dotting interception, 18 to 13 dotting interception, rating of 101 to 84, like, yards per game dropped by almost 60 yards.

Like that is seismic difference. And it's, you know, 17 before and 17 after. And remember, when he came in, he had a, D'Amico Ryan's was a rookie head coach. The organization was in tatters. He, he didn't, they didn't have Joe Mixing that year. The offensive line was, you know, injuries, guys in and out. And he still played great. So I get it.

They, mixing isn't there. Chubb, you know, isn't what he used to be. He had a nice. last night. They've had some injuries with Tank Dell, Stefan Diggs got hurt, and now he's gone. So I get some of those things, but he looked like a guy that was overcoming

whatever was in his past as a rookie. And so that's their biggest question. They still, look, the division isn't strong. Their next two games are Jacksonville, Tennessee. You would think they should be two and two. That's a big game, right. But they could be two and two in short order

and then still be in the mix in that division. But they clearly aren't a Super Bowl contender. Go ahead, KW. It's getting late early in Houston. I was, I was, this Jacksonville game might be it. Well, it's a big game. If you go always, if you, if the prince, if the prince can eliminate the Texans,

like, we got you. You guys are now 0 and 3. We're going to cruise and have Houston in the rearview mirror. It's a great moment for. Well, listen. The prince got a long way to go. The, yeah, but the, if you can put sort of like a powerhouse team. They got to worry about the courts.

Before, before I give my answer, I feel the need to disclose and remind the audience, especially after what happened yesterday, I did live in Houston for four years. Yeah, of course. So this is, I guess, another one of my hometown teams that's O and two that I'm not going to write off. That's your. But it's my thing. I wouldn't panic yet for a lot of the reasons Bruce said. I wouldn't feel great.

And I agree with you. that I don't look at them as they come nowhere close to passing the confetti test. I would be gobsmacked if this team goes on a deep, great playoff run. However, the defense was supposed to be the strength. I think the defense's been pretty awesome. You know what I mean? Like they held the Rams to 14. They held the Texan, I'm sorry, the Bucks to 14 until, you know,

and they had the Bucks at 14 points in a fourth in 10 and seemingly. had Baker sacked to win the game, and Baker made a great play. So I do think the defense has been great. I don't know that I ever believed Stroud was quite as good as he showed his rookie year, but I do believe he's better than he has showed over the last year. So I think he'll play a little better. And then there is the important factor of the division, which is I am planting my flag that the 2025

2-0 dynamic offense holy crap Daniel Jones Indianapolis Colts are on a group chat with the 24 holy crap Derek Carr dynamic offense New Orleans Saints and that they are going to have

a similar, you know what I mean next few months that the Saints did which is this team out of nowhere the offense is amazing the coordinator's a genius and then it gets water finds its level if that's correct nine wins wins this division.

We have seen a year, eight wins won this division. And so like the Jacksonville blowing that game to Cincinnati was massive. You know what I like Jacksonville had that game won. Then you would feel like they really could end them. Three and O with a head to head versus O and three. Now you look at it and you're like, Houston could be a game out of first place in this division next week. But I just don't think structurally they have figured out the offense. They got rid of Bobby Sloick, the new offensive coordinator, it doesn't quite gel yet,

and that to me is a problem. Two for nine on third down, sacked four times, 13 total pressures. Yeah, the offensive line, that's what the offensive line killed him last year. They traded away to Unsel. I didn't understand. And, well, they hated the penalties, but he was still a very good player. And when I get in sack. Meanwhile, in Vegas, Justin Herbert dispatched of Gino in the Raiders 20 to 9,

two touchdown. two touchdowns while the Chargers defense flummoxed Gino. Here's Harbaugh post game. Division game on the road, 2 and 0. Can't be 3 in 0 unless you're 2 and 0. Winning football by the special teams, winning football by the offense, and guardians of victory. How about that defense?

AFC West odds have moved. Chargers now won, Chiefs or two. Broncos at three. That's a big gap. minus 110 to plus 270 is a big gap. Raiders way back at 4. Do the Chargers deserve to be AFC West favorites? Well, first, let me do my impression of Pete Currell on the sideline yesterday.

G. No! We have a Raiders topic. We have a Raiders topic. We put a Raiders topic in the show. I think he has three. I'm just saying, and I like Gino. He's a good quarter.

How are you going to do the rate of the topic? That's all I'm saying. All right, here we go. We hear that again. 37-passer rating, too. The charges, yes, they should be the favorite. Wow. You used in the intro, you said, are they the team to beat?

The Chiefs are still the team to beat. But the favorite to win the division, I think is the charge. So right now you'd pick them. I know I'm not actually changed your pick. No, yeah, to win the division. I mean, I still, yeah. To win the division, I think the chargers are in great. One, they don't have the schedule, obviously, that the Chiefs have as a first place team last year.

So the Chief's schedule is a little bit tougher. That defense has kind of picked up where it was last year, where it was the best scoring defense in the league. It's been really good this year. And Herbert has just taken it to another level. And that receiving court, I thought all they had was Lab McConkey. But, you know, Johnston. And Allen's been awesome. Keenan Allen has, I mean, I don't want to say turn back the clock, but the fact that he was looking for a job.

just a few weeks ago. Like he's been good. Johnson's been good. Obviously, McConkey. They haven't even gotten their run game going yet. And I think Hampton is good. And obviously, Najee Harris is pretty good. So that's a nice tandem in the backfield.

Harbaugh is a fantastic coach. He really is. And so I am a believe. I think they are a Super Bowl contender. I kind of look at them like Tampa Bay. I like Baltimore and Buffalo. And in the playoffs, I'd say Kansas City better. But I think they're right there like a second tier Super Bowl contender.

So, yeah, I think they should be the favorites. Two and O versus O and two and a head to head over the chiefs. I wonder, I disagree with Danny Parkins. But I tweeted out last night that Justin Herbert has entered the MVP conversation, the way too early MVP conversation. And, you know, Danny's just looking for converts so we can lead us all to Justin Herbertville. But Justin Herbert's problem has never been as all. arm, it's been a little between the ears, pressure, bad decision making in big moments.

If that's the leap that he's saying, like, I don't think he's become a better physical football player. Maybe he's healthy. But if he's making better decision, he just seems confident and kind of cool now. I mean, last year he made great decisions all year in route to only throwing three picks until the playoff game. So like last year, what they are throwing that much last year. Right. That's what I was going to say. The difference is, and what I'm sure Danny loves, is there the past happiest team in the league right. They are, by a large margin, lead the NFL in percent that they pass on first down in neutral game score situations.

You know what I mean? They are leaning into him as a passer. And he's been excellent. And Bruce's ballot coming up at the end of the show, you know, a little four or five o'clock Eastern, I would imagine he's on there. And if I had a ballot through two weeks, he would be on mine. Let's pump the bricks of it. because I understand 2-0 versus 0-2 with the head-to-head is massive.

The head-to-head is in a weird way, way more meaningful in Bill's Ravens than it is for Chiefs Chargers right now because they're not playing again and the Chiefs Chargers are. You know what I mean? Who is that home game? Chargers. It was their game. And so I'm just going to point out the things that concern me.

I understand them wanting to lean more into Herbert. They seemed oddly allergic to running the ball yesterday, even in the game. They were dominating. More on that in a second. I'm always going to worry about this team, not just because of the jerseys, but because of the age of some of their key players with injury and Khalil Max in a sling. Keenan Allen has been great. I would be stunned if Keenan Allen plays the full season.

And Herbert yesterday, this is. I am very consistent on this. I don't like my quarterback running. I don't like that Patrick's doing it now. And so Herbert, there were a couple times yesterday. He got lit up. I thought it was bad that one. Well, so this, listen, this is a dirty.

Dirty is made me too strong. It ends up being a dirty play. It's late. That's brutal, though. And then, and this gets to the game management stuff, don't run the next tape yet if you can wait, hubs, because I want to set it up. And this is my bigger concern.

And we can stop playing this. I thought the Chargers at the end of this game, it was some of the most baffling decisions I've seen a good coach make. If people didn't stay up for it or weren't watching, because this was the late game, right? This was the one. They did at 1 a.m. Eastern.

They are up 11 with nine minutes left in the game. They throw it incomplete twice. and then go for a fourth down. Okay, and you know what I mean? All right. The Raiders then give it right back. They are then up 11 with four minutes left. They throw it incomplete again.

Raiders then turn the ball over. They're up 11 with three minutes left. Fumble on the first play. Okay, that's a fumble. They are up 11 with two minutes left. And let me show you the play they run. Again, they're up 11 with two minutes left. The game is over.

They call a designed run for Herbert. He had that weird slide, and you don't really see it fully here. He got up wincing and holding his back. I hated that. Like, I didn't understand. They signed Najee Harris. They drafted a guy in the first round. You're up 11 against a Raider team that's having its worst offensive game of Gino's life.

Like, why they are not only asking Herbert to keep throwing, but putting him in jeopardy was perplexing to me. And so here would be my last point about the division. I just want to show you how both the Chiefs and the Chargers season ends. They play each other and the Chargers have the Eagles, Cowboys, Texans, Broncos. Chiefs have Texans, Broncos, same, but instead of Eagles, Cowboys, Titans, Raiders. My question is this. How big of a lead do the Chargers need for you to feel the Chiefs aren't running them down?

If that's the setup and they get them in Kansas City in Week 15. Like, you know what I mean? If the Chiefs go into that game, go into that stretch, 7 and 6, and the Chargers are, what would that be? 10 and 3. I'm sorry, 9 and 3. So it would be, I guess, I'm doing the match. 7 and 5 versus 9 and 3. Like, I would like the Chief's chances, though.

And so I wouldn't print the T-shirts yet, even though they right now look like the best team. Yeah, you're not going to, obviously, write the Chiefs off, but. The charges look tough. And I'm shocked because they haven't missed Roshan Slater. Maybe their run game. Maybe they'd lean more into the run game if they had. Joe Alt's been great. Yeah.

The roster rating, basically, 128 second best in the NFL behind only Lamar. Lamar. I think it's golf and then Matt Jones. Got five. Is Hertz still underrated and more on, of course, Gino? Even though we were supposed to be talking specifically about the charge. That's actually what Carol was doing. I didn't make that up.

Sports Jail all the series of that. Podcasts doing great. Our YouTube channels are now posting long video. 30 minutes? What's the strategy behind it? 40 minutes. Wow, it's great, Gianna. She's doing awesome.

People are loving those longer. Yeah, folks. Good job, and we have to goose the numbers because our average has been pulled down a bit by, well, I don't need to say. By what? Your bad takes? People love the bad takes. It's the solo.

I didn't even do it today. Is Jaylenerts actually underrated? Yes, according to, new QB rankings from Jeff Howe in the Athletic. One rival executive. Now we're doing anonymous compliments. Yeah, I know. Just enough.

That's how you get the truth. Comploments? I'm just saying it. Sorry, I didn't even read it yet. Sorry, go ahead and read it. He's a killer. His toughness and makeup are so underrated. We concern ourselves so much about arm talent

and then just completely underrate the intangibles at the position. From an anonymous executive. Yeah, because he doesn't want people to hear. Right, it's people to lead. He's criticized. I guess so. Is anyone buying that Jalen Hertz is now underrated? At this point,

I think it's possible the pendulum has swung a bit too far in the other direction. To where he's overrated? Well, we were on Thursday and Friday of last week. Wilds was kicking around the conversation of just wanting to have the conversation. is he the best quarterback in football? And when I totally agree with the idea that it is a fool's errand to simply measure quarterbacks by

how well they throw the football. I think that is for most quarterbacks, the most important thing they do, but not for all. And I think there's a lot more to playing the position and winning than just that. And Hertz gets somewhere, from an A to an A triple plus in basically every category

but that one. But when that one, at least this year, has been as anemic as it's been, and it's not like last year where, well, the team's beating everyone by 30 and Seekwon's running for 2,000 yards,

then I don't think through two weeks his standing should have improved. You know what I mean? And so when if we put up, we can put up the passing charts and then his season numbers. Again, there's week one. It's a bunch of nothing, and then the past, was it Dotson?

And then the one deep down the field, week two was somehow worse, really a bunch of nothing, and then the one passed to Devante. And then his passing numbers coach are what they are as far as league ranks. I mean, again, if you are ranking him saying, and so this is why he's the 15th best quarterback, then yeah, he's way underrated. But I don't think, I think his general ranking is about eighth. You know what I mean? And I think that's probably about.

Somebody might have him higher. Yeah, some might have him higher, but Wilds finds people who have him lower. So that's why I said, you know what I mean? To me, that's fair. Yeah, I don't know if that's totally a compliment. What? From the anonymous executive? Yeah, he's completely underrated for his intangibles.

yeah, and people overrate armed talent. So you're essentially saying, yeah, he's got great intangibles. He's not that guy, not great skill, not great ability as a, you know, as a passer. But he's, yeah, he is underrated from an intangible perspective or I think more people are, I don't even know if he's even underrated there because people respect that part of his game so much. But the flip side of that is he's essentially saying, yeah, the arm talent parts, not. where you'd want it to be. And when you look at his numbers, and I know Kevin loves when I bring this up,

but now we're at 17 games. We're in the last 17 games that they've won. He's throwing the ball more than 30 times once. Okay? So there's a formula, and the formula isn't with him as being an elite passer. So as long as they can keep this running game intact and this defensive formula intact,

and he's willing to manage it and not be caught up in trying to prove everybody wrong, then it's great. But I don't know if that's as nice a compliment as maybe it's poor. Yeah. I mean, I think he's properly rated. Like, he's generally viewed as a top 10 quarterback. A couple years ago, he was second in the MVP race.

So that's pretty high praise, you know, coming from the media. And I think for those that want to complain, oh, nobody loves Jay, nobody thinks he's as good as he is. The reason is because, like, the reason he's not viewed like Lamar, Josh, Patrick, and Joe Burrow is because he doesn't put up the numbers. Like, he's never thrown for 4,000 yards.

He's never thrown 25 touchdowns in a year. He's never to average 250 yards in a game, you know, for season. He's never had a pass rating of even 100. He hasn't put up the numbers. And even though he's a dual threat quarterback and a very good runner, he's not Josh or Lamar as far as pro-Lythic. Most of his running touchdowns are the tush push. And so he's, I think he's great with the intangibles, which I measure highly because if you

look at like Brady and Joe Montana, these guys, their intangibles are off the charts, most of the best quarterbacks. And so I think that's very important. but he's, I mean, I think he's properly rated. If you inserted Lamar or Josh or Joe in, let's see, Tennessee, they're probably going to change, dramatically change that organization. If you insert Jaylen there, is he going to have that same impact, or is it going to have to be an impact that's felt three or four years down the road

when they build up the defense of the running game? You put Lamar there, things change immediately. You put Josh there, things change immediately. You put, you know, Jalen there, do they? So do you think that's fair, Katie? I can never tell because I don't think it's coming from a disingenuous place as like a thought exercise, and I like thought exercises. And I kind of agree with it.

I feel like if you put Lamar on the team and Lamar will be dynamic wherever, and it's very LeBron-esque. Like LeBron will make any, put prime LeBron anywhere, and that team is good. At the same time, I don't think Jaylen, Hertz should be penalized for finding a system that works and making that system work to its utmost potential. I also sometimes... No, he should be credited for that and credited for having enough selflessness to be able to

maintain that mentality. And then the other thing that I wonder is when we do the old switcheroo of quarterbacks, Jalen Hertz never gets to go to any of these other teams. It's like, man, you know, put Lamar on the Eagles and watch what happens. It would be the same thing. I'm like, can I play the game of put Jalen Hertz on the Ravens? Well, Lamar knows. And see how the playoffs.

You could definitely put it. You could definitely put it. So I don't think the Ravens, I mean, I don't think he's as good as Lamar, but I think the Ravens would be good. Oh, see. So that's interesting. When Wild says, see all those playoff games go. Because when coach said it, something kind of clicked in my brain, which is, the greatest of the great players across sports

drastically raise your floor and your ceiling. Yeah. Right? So, like, when you mention, like, Peak LeBron, peak LeBron, take the worst team in the league, get them playoffs. They're in the playoffs. And you put them on an excellent team.

They're going to win the championship, whatever it is. You're talking about, I'm going to use Josh and Lamar specifically, as automatic floor raisers. You know what I mean? Drop them on a team, and that team's life changes. What I think Wiles is credited, that Jaylenaz is a ceiling

razor. And a guy that because he's clutch, he plays his best in big spots, and you don't have to change, you don't have to placate almost his ego in how you call a game. If you have a great

team that, you know what I mean, doesn't need to pass first, you can be like, we're just going to keep doing what we're doing. And so while I agree that the Ravens would not be the Ravens, with Jalen as Lamar, what they've been in these regular seasons

over the course the last few years, I think that awesome team they had two years ago that had hosted the AFC championship game against Kansas City, I think that team might have had more success in that game with Jalen. And so that part I do think is, would they have hosted the game with him?

I understand that. But that's what's always confused me about a guy like Matthew Stafford, who I think is an outstanding quarterback, but for all those years in Detroit, He didn't have the impact on the organization that I would have expected to have with his ability. Agreed. So do we are we now, are we in unison, Jalen Hertz, properly rated?

Properly rated as a top five quarterback. Well, it's fluid. It's fluid. It's not fluid. No, it's a little battlefield promotion with Burrow. That is definitely top. We're talking Mount Rushmore right now. Raiders drop to one-in-one.

Gino threw the ball 40 times. to the Raiders three times to the Chargers, 180 yards total. Here he was after the game. Those are things that I got to learn from and be better at. Anything that doesn't look right out there, you put that on my feet, you know,

put that on my shoulders. Yeah, I feel like I've got to be a lot better for our guys. I know I have to and I will be. Is it time, Nick, for you to abandon your adopted Raiders? All right, let me say something. Hubs are a great executive producer

picked this question. he's a little rusty on questions. This is one of the dumbest questions we've asked. Really? When I picked them to make the playoffs, I thought through two games they'd be one and one. It's not like this has been some massive disappointment of a start of a season for the Raiders.

This was an awful game from Gino. Like, there's no way around it. And one of the reasons that Gino is, you know, in my opinion, right in that top 10 discussion like we've talked about, but not firmly in there. is somewhere from like 9 to 12 is because his bad games,

what do you say? Coach and I are looking at it. I don't think Gino's in that. No, I've said that I've said. No, no, no, no. I'm saying for me. Top 15ish. Okay, okay, but I'm saying for,

I wasn't saying universally regarded. I'm saying for me, but what is preventing him from being firmly, clearly a top 10 quarterback is his bad games can be really bad. And this was one of the worst games he's played. The thing that happened yesterday, though, that was to me the most concerned.

was not Gino related because I don't think he's going to play like this moving forward. It's the fact that the Raiders seem to be calling their plays like somebody else drafted a running back six overall. You know what I mean? Like that's the part. He had 11 carries. He never gets the ball on back to back downs. And I understand he right now, coach, is a problem in past protection. But I know you talked about him catching the ball.

But let me. I thought he was Earl. But hold on. Let me ask you this question. What's his rushing out, right? No, no, no. Yesterday he was good. The first game they won, he was not good that first game. But yesterday, hold on, let me ask you question.

If you spend the sixth pick of the draft on a guy because he is a brilliant natural runner, there's an element of we don't care if us having him on the field signals we're running the ball. If we're running the ball, we're not giving it to Zemir White and third and two. We're giving it to the guy we pick sixth overall. So that part to me, he wasn't very good in. game one. Game two, he was good running the ball and he never got the ball. I mean, he had 11 attempts for 43 yards.

So you had 3.90. That's not great. It's better than what they were getting from anyone else yesterday. Look, I do agree, Nick. I think what would help Gino a lot is if they could get the running game going. And I think if you do spend that type of, those types of resources on getting a running back, you should probably give more than 11 attempts. Thank you.

And maybe he's the type of guy that as the attempts increased. His production will increase. And he has shown him the ability to break away, definitely in college. It just hasn't hit yet. And for Gino to be successful, they're going to have to establish a much stronger running game because it's just not going to work this way. The Raiders are what I thought they were. It's only two games for them.

That's what they are. They're certainly not one of the best two teams in the division. We'll see who's better between them in Denver. And, you know, Pete Carroll, I think he knows how to handle running back, a great running back he had, Marshawn Lynch. So I like Gentie, but, you know, I didn't think he was going to come and take the league by storm. In a spot. That's a big game.

Yeah, where it looks like Jaden might not be playing. Beat up, Commander. Right. And that would actually put them ahead of my schedule. You know what I mean? Like, the commander, and the Chargers, we can't 30 minutes ago be talking about how the Chargers how great the Chargers defense is, in my opinion, and then kill Genti for only getting 40 yards on limited touches.

Like that, you know what I mean? Like, game one, Jinty wasn't good. I would just expect them to feed him. Two worst running teams in the league. Bengals are last. Raiders are second to last. Yeah. 124 total yards on the ground.

Bill's dispatched of the Jets so thoroughly. We didn't even have them in the show yesterday. Josh threw for under 150. James Cook gashed the Jets, 132 yards. Two touchdowns. 20. They are now the sole Super Bowl favorites. Ravens were tied with the bills, bills, Ravens, Packers, Eagles, Chiefs drop down a plus 1,400 tied with the Lions. So do the Chiefs have the fifth best Super Bowl odds? Oddly, the fifth best Super Bowl odds,

but the second best odds in the AFC West. Do the bills deserve to be the favorites? Look, yes, they beat the rate. I mean, I think the Ravens, obviously, that's my pick in the AFC. I think the Ravens did outplay the bills for most of that game, obviously, but the bills not only beat them in that game, but they've beaten them the last two times at least that they played, obviously last year in the playoffs. The bills are lined up for the number one seed because the division's not as tough, so the schedule's not as tough. So, yeah, I think that's fair. Yeah, I disagree that. I understand that they beat the Ravens. The Ravens are my pick. I'm a Baltimore guy.

Yeah. Everyone knows that you were in the time. Yeah. But I don't see how Philly couldn't be the favorites at this point. And the fact that they didn't, they were a little underwhelming to open up against Dallas. But that's the first game of the season. I think if rolls reversed, they played Kansas City first and then Dallas second, it would have been, it would have been different. Like Buffalo played Baltimore first and then moved into the Jets.

And to get out of the AFC is going to be a lot tougher, I think. think, then it's going to be for Philly to get out of the NFC and get back to the Super Bowl. So they factor in, because you know how they do the lines. Do they factor in that it's just so hard to repeat as champion? No. No. I was thinking the same thing because it only happened the two times. I mean, I don't think that's part of the math on this is really just where money's coming in and who people believe in.

They certainly factor in path. Right now, this is an indicator to me that Vegas truly believes. Buffalo is going to be the one seed, even though we're just two weeks in. And that is such a massive edge as far as your chances of winning the championship, not just because you have home field, but skipping that game.

You know what I mean? And Buffalo, obviously, since Josh has been there, they've never had a buy. Because early in his career, when there were two buys, they never got to the two seed, and they've never been the one seed. They've been the two seed,

a number of times never been the one seed. and I think it's a pretty smart bet that they'd get the buy. Like if you look, their schedule compared to Baltimore's, and Kansas City is not eliminated from it, but at 0 and 2 for Kansas City to get the buy, honestly, they probably have to go 13 and 2 the rest of the way. You know what I mean? And so.

They don't have a world, they got one world beater in their first 10 games, outside of Baltimore. And it's at home. Like, look at that, the chief. No, and honest to God, I mean, Atlanta's pretty good. They have, on their entire schedule, the rest of the way, three teams that we all agree are good. And I don't even know if you guys agree the chiefs are good.

But in the chiefs, you know what I mean? Chiefs, Bucks, Eagles, that's it. Yeah, and Bengals. Bengals won't have Joe Burrow. And so that to me is, and let me say one other thing that I think maybe juiced their odds a bit. there is now some would believe I'm not one of them but a universe that exists where Buffalo could get to the Super Bowl

and never have to play Kansas City and I think that is you know what I mean I think that is because I do think they're go ahead yeah I just don't think that Baltimore is some kind of buy for them either no I'm not no no I'm not saying that but the it's a pretty rough group in the AFC versus the so that's the thing you said that I actually disagree

agree with this year. Over the last few years, to me, it's been very clear if there is a JV conference, it's the NFC. This year, I look at it as the AFC has three proven teams, one of whom's O&2, and now we're kind of semi-elevating the chargers in that room. I think right now the NFC has six teams that, you know what I mean, are scary. Who are the six scary team? Philly, Green Bay, Detroit, Tampa, the Rams, and I'm leaving one out.

Oh, you're commanders potentially. You know what I mean? Or the Niners, depending on their health and party back, you know what I mean? They're already 2 and 0. Like there's just, there's certainly in the NFC right now less crossoffs. And the AFC to me has a bunch of crossoffs. And so like the Bengals being. It's not as high on some of the teams that you're listing as we know that Baltimore is going to be a problem.

We know that Buffalo always has a problem with Kansas City. They're going to have to face one of them. where the other groups, they sort of ebb and flow. I think, tell me. Philly's so consistent. If you agree with me, Brew, the conference championship portion of the playoffs might be harder in the AFC,

but the wild card round portion of the playoffs, you know what I mean? I think it could be harder to do. Herbert, climbing up the mountain next. Five from New York. It's the show that probably thinks Shador should have gone to Baltimore. No, that's one thing that.

I don't. I think it. This is when he's not everybody's not. He never would have played. We all. He's not playing in Cleveland. He got a chance, though. He will be.

He will probably play at some point this year. I think learning under Lamar Jackson at all time. Learning for what? Lamar stays healthy. He's going to be there the next eight years. It worked for J-Lo, your guy. It worked for. Aaron Rogers was older.

Yeah, Aaron. They were on their way out. I think the drafted by the Rams would have been amazing. Yes, learning. You know what I mean? But Lamar, your only hope is. that you look awesome in a preseason game in two years. And they trade you.

And someone trades for it. Yeah, like this guy's ready to go. Yeah, that's, and then you got to learn it. No. What's the ceiling for the Browns? He's their starter. He could be the starting quarterback there. They haven't had a good quarterback in decades.

Oh, really? Right. Oh, really? Baker Mayfield. Baker Mayfield was not Buck's Baker Mayfield. But he was good. They won 11 games. He was so good.

They got rid of it. Because they're incompetent. He was awesome. Yeah. Push. All right, let's go into the grounds when he rejected race. This push push thing is going to backfire in the entire league. It's official for me.

Okay. Meanwhile, has Baker scrambled his way to a top spot on Brew's MVP ballot? That was a move. We discussed, but right now it's time to start the climb. Listen to this. The wind hurts at the top of the mountain. Some QBs are all in. Some cry out.

Gino. Still others. Try to burrow away. Mack Jonesing for a safety ward somewhere to take cover from the blitz of the unrelenting flurry of ice and criticism. Alas, we pressed Scott on with a new tumultuous, tumultuous, tumultuous climb up in Holmes, Mall. Well done, leader. That was an outstanding. That was excellent.

Can I ask you a question, though, KW? Yeah. At the end, did you like forget a line? What was it? You just kept saying tumultuous. I didn't know how to say tumultuous. Oh, okay. How many syllables does tumultuous?

Four are you think? You nailed it, definitely. Mulduous. I thought won. Time to climb to that one. That was great. All right, so here's the deal. This is tricky and a little sad, to be honest.

Oh, no. No, no, no. I'm being sincere. If you are expected to miss multiple weeks, you're at least temporarily just off the mountain. You know what I mean? Because I don't like to like what. In the medical tent.

You can't climb. Yeah, you're in the medical tent. You can't climb. Am I going to drop you in a game you don't play? Like, I don't know. If your status is unknown and you might miss, you can stay on there like Jaden. Jaden might miss this week, but we're not sure.

But so that means Burrow is just off. J.J. McCarthy, for the time being, is off. And so that's where we're at. So with that said, If you're a true healthy starting quarterback and you didn't make the mountain, it's a tough one. There's some back pretty off, Brew. Tua, Rattler, and Bryce couldn't make the mountain off.

He's off. He's off. I'm sorry. And if he had a chance to be on, these press conferences are not helping him. What I imagine is going to happen Thursday night is not going to help him. And Carson Wentz, I think setting a record starting a game for his sixth. team, congrats, I guess. I'm not sure what happened.

You're off the mountain. Bottom row of the mountain. Let's go. We're back. Michael Panics drops a bit. Bow Nick's weird spot because Bo Nix was truly awful in week one, but they won. He was excellent in week two until he threw a back breaking pick and they lost. He just stays where he is.

Cam Ward. A moment. A great play that could come back and get him. Justin Fields. felt badly, to be honest, dropping him because he got concussed, but obviously the team, I don't know, it is what it is. Joe Flacco stays where he is.

Jake Browning, I don't know, bro, he's chucking it, it's fine. They won. It'll be exciting. And KW. What a day. What a great day. Matt Jones. I never thought, there was an alternate

reality where this day never happened. Yeah. We're back. The vast majority of alternate realities, Mac Jones is never on a mountain. We're just starting the climate. If he plays well, he could get with another team. Yeah, he's on his baker climb.

Yeah, he's not. Yeah, okay. Learned under defeated. All right. So there. So now we get to the top 21. We'll call it the top 20. Roe 6.

Aaron Rogers has to drop. It was, I think, had two picks and like 140 yards when he on more than two and a half seconds to throw. It was really bad. One pick was all Calvin Austin. Oh, yeah. It was all that kid. That young whippers snapper. KW.

Drake May. He played really well in this game. Like, I give him credit. Kyler had one of the most indefensible interceptions of the year, but aside from that played well, Russ, obviously, despite Rex Ryan saying, couldn't play dead in a Western, and they were doing wrong by the team by starting him.

He then throws for almost 500 yards. He also had a bad pick at the end. Caleb and Trevor mixed bag for both of them. more of a mixed back for Trevor, to be honest, more highs and more lows. Caleb was just okay, but I can't drop them down where they are. They are where they are. To the top 15. CJ hanging on to a top 15 spot barely at the moment.

Jaden hasn't been bad this year. He's not been great yet, though. And I'm now worried about his health. He drops a bit. Gino obviously has to drop. He had three picks, one worst games was his life. Listen, I think it is short-lived, and I'm sad Greg Jennings isn't here to be able to bask in it. But Daniel Jones, it reminds me a lot of Derek Carr and the Saints last year, starting 2 and O

and setting offensive records. But it is what it is. It's a rich tapestry and it's fluid. Daniel Jones moves up, and Sam Darnold moves up as well. He gets a little boost by the Vikings, how they've looked on offense seven of the eight quarters without him. Good KW, a quarter of a class of one. Thank you. Ro four.

Listen. KW. I didn't say anything. You can, all you want. You know what I'm talking about. I may be talking about. You can't. You can't have, no one gets everything they want in life.

And part of the, what we are, one of the reasons we all say Jalen hurts is such a great leader. and so selfless is because he's okay with having no stats. We're complimenting his character for that. It's true. Your part. One of the reasons it's selfless is because things like sliding down the mountain happen when you average it 100 yards a game.

It's just what it is. Jordan Love stays where he is. Jared Goff hangs a 50 piece without Ben Johnson, and Dax's been cooking all year. Just to be totally clear. I think Dax played great. Row three. Baker, I wanted to move you higher, to be honest with you, I couldn't.

Herbert, this is his highest place ever on the mountain. My guy Matt Stafford, after an okay, not great week one against a great defense was really good in week two, and you saw the full Puka and Devante combo. Do not reveal the next row yet. Good question in life. Kind of cliche. What do you get the person who has everything?

Well, the greatest quarterback I've ever, seen. Turns 30 tomorrow. I'm lucky enough to consider him two-thirds of a friend. Not enough to where I think he'd lend me money, but enough that, you know what I mean? If I'm in town, I let him know. What could I get him? Here's what I can get Patrick Mahomes. A hefty dose of motivation. Wow. For the first time, in quite some time, reveal row two. Patrick. Patrick Not at the top of the mountain. Got a must-win game coming up against the Giants. Josh played well, but it's more about what Lamar did.

And Josh's numbers just were, ah, you know, they didn't have to be, and Lamar's numbers have been so great. And top of the mountain's Lamar, and after that must-win game in week three, Patrick, guess who you have coming to Kansas City? Oh, what? The guy ahead of you on the mountain with a chance to reclaim your spot and remind everyone who, you. who the hell you are.

But for the time being, Lamar Jackson, who is a couple votes away from potentially being, you know, the leading candidate for a third straight MVP at the moment. He is a top Mahomes Mountain. What a day. That is quite a day. Wow, what a day.

That's fair. The mountain is fair. I can't believe we're here. Mack Jones is on. I am. I am so happy that I'm here today to share this day with you. The mountain's fair.

It is very fair. So I'm going to support my partner who's not here, Greg Jennings, and I'm moving my friend. Higher? Yep. I'm moving Daniel Jones on. Wow. And why?

You want to know why? Yes, I do. Yes, okay. First time since 1977, they go through the first game of the season, no puns. Okay? Pretty important. Okay, first two games, okay, scored every possession. Oh, I'm sorry, they scored every possession versus the Dolphins.

That was since 1977. But this is also the first time a team gone through the first two games without any punts. That's also very impressive in the Super Bowl era. Then you factor in that they've got the three drives in the second game. So they scored 10 straight drives in a row. Okay. So there's that impressive feat. And I think he's channeling his inner Jalen Hurts.

Good running game, good defense, and he's managing the process, and he's bringing him to wins. But he's throwing a lot more than Jalen Hurts. He is, he is, but who would you move? Let's compare him to the guy you'd have to move down. Okay, Jordan Love. Oh, wow. But look at the statistics. This is true, two games.

And this is without Micah Parsons. He doesn't have Micah Parsons on his stage. So he's got a better completion percentage. He's got a better past yards per game. Better everything. Right on down the line. No Micah Parsons. They're still finding a way to win.

Everybody had pretty much given him. for dead and we know that the formula where you manage the team with a good running game and a good defense and you can be considered you know a top 10 quarterback wow all right coach it's a great case you made there Greg i hope you're walking i now i now have a bit of a personal question for you okay because you weren't always you know as established and well-to-do as you are now you ever have bad credit in any point in your life no never okay well i'm I have. Ever.

Yeah, good for you. Here's the thing, and this is a note for kids out there as well. If the credit gets bad enough, it doesn't really matter how great of a payment history and how great your credit looks for a year, even two. There's a ceiling on how high it can get until there's been a long time since that bankruptcy proceeding or that default that repossessed car. Daniel Jones has not yet

moved far enough away from having a lean on his house and his car repossessed for us to be comfortable with him being top ten on the mountain. Even though up to this point in the season, you know what I mean? He deserves an 800 credits.

And what's Jordan Love's done? Jordan Love's been fine. Look, he just showed the numbers. Jordan Loves been good. He hasn't turned the ball over. He has been good. But he hadn't been nearly as bad as Jones. His credit's been so impressive. Well, here's the thing.

He doesn't have any, he doesn't have any bankruptcies. He hasn't had to show up in debtor's prison the way Daniel Jones had. For 15 years before he had. That's true. He's 40. All right, go ahead, bro. Well, first of all, I was wondering, I wanted to ask you what made you put Lamar above Josh. But I get, you said it at the end, like, because if.

Patrick beats. No, that's not why. It'll be an easy power. There's always an egg. No, no, no, that was an added bonus. Honestly, it was simply that, and this is not totally fair to Josh, because they took their foot off the gas. They, you know what I mean?

They had such an easy leave. He didn't have a huge game. You know what I mean? It's for, for yards or touchdowns or anything. And Lamar just, like, accidentally threw for four touchdowns in a game that Derek Henry didn't do anything against him. a defense that we thought could present some problems. So that's what it was.

I respect for moving my homes down. But you didn't move him down. Oh, my God. Now we've gone too far. And I get it. It's a rich tapestry coach. So I understand the past history, which isn't that far ago, right? Just last year you made the Super Bowl.

But it can't be all history. Like he has not, he's run the ball well, but he has. hadn't really played that well this year, certainly through the air. So I'm just moving him down one more row, and I'm switching him and Justin Herbert. That's too much. No, I mean, Herbert has been phenomenal. Head to head. Well, no, no, I'm just saying right now, like, I still think Mahomes the best quarterback in league,

but right now, we got to look, the games, to quote Nick Wright. The games matter. That's true. But Brew wants the mountain to mirror Brew's ballot, I fear. That's what I think is happening. The ballot is coming later. But Herbert, look, Herbert's top five in everything. He's number three in pass yards per game.

280 a game. Number two in pass rating to Lamar, 127.8. Number two in touchdowns with five, and he's got no interceptions. Second in yards per attempt, which I know you respect that, 9.2. And he's fourth in completion percentage. And again, we didn't think this was a great receiving core. They haven't had a run game yet. and he's still, you know, everybody knows he's throwing it,

and he's still having big success. So I got to move Herbert up right now and move my homes just down. You talk about motivation. This is motivation for bad to go. That would cross the line for motivation to outright insult. No, no, no. And I'll be totally, it is brew, as you know, it is not left to right, obviously. Coincidentally, if there was a quarterback that I was moving.

moving up, it would have been Baker. Over Herbert? Yes. I think the- Baker's been clutched, but his numbers aren't terrific. He has five touchdown passes, right? 98-passer rating. Doesn't Herbert have five-

Herbert's number? No, other than touchdown passes, numbers are better. But I'm just, yeah, I think Baker- But Baker's been great. I got no criticism of Baker. I have no idea where this guy's going. I'm not talking about Jalen Hertz. And I'm not talking about Mack Jones.

And I'm not talking about Patrick Mahomes because I'm beloved in Kansas City. I am going to offer a life lesson and try to move Drake May up. I'd like to switch Drake May with Sam Darnold. Wow. That's not that big of a leap. Well, I mean, Darnold was your guy. I know Bay is too. But for the record, for the hundredth time, Sam Darnold is not my guy.

Gianna, put a poll out there. Is Sam Darnold heaven wilds guy? Not my guy. I just thought it was silly to just chew away 14 wins and 4,300 yards. And surprise, surprise. I was right. But he's not my guy. I would like to move Drake May up there.

We have now have Drake May is starting to get rolling here. We have the stats for his first 12 complete games. He got injured a decent amount coming in late or leaving early. These are 12. Wow, that yards for Russia is plummet. It's really, it's really plummet. I said, Josh. He rushed, he ran away from Judon and scored a touchdown.

I'd like to run the yards per rush and then, you know, hit the Randall Cunningham, Mike Vickstatt. Nice. Josh vetoed it. Oh, really? He's like, you know, that was kind of a last year thing and we don't have enough rushing yards. And I said, fine, Josh. We're in a relationship. I'm going to mention it, but he's like, yeah, but he's not even at 100.

I said, fun. Also accurate. Most 80% completion games since the start of last season. Gough is going crazy. Jaden Bakeshow, Drake May, Tua. So he can run. It's a bit of a mixed bag graphic. Well, Tua?

Yeah. Well, what about golf? That's, like I said, a bit of a mixed bag. That's interesting. Golf has some perfect games. Yeah, I know. I think golf's in the positive category. Tua is in the negative category.

Just Tua. It's okay. Also, since it's a rich tapestry, I do a little projection. A lot of people don't like this, but I do a little projection to get in early on stuff like an influencer. Going up against the Steelers in Foxborough. Now, the mighty Steelers defense, getable. Yeah, three touchdowns from Justin Fields, two from Sam Darnel, passer rating. What's that equal out to?

About 110. So Drake should have a big game with Aaron Rogers in, Foxborough, also the Wilds family will be in attendance. Oh, wow. Really? Yeah. That is bad news for Monday's show, guys. Why? If we win?

No. I'm locked in. Don't worry about me. You can't. You have a hard enough time following the whole league if you're at home with all the games on. I will be locked in a game none of us care about. You're not going to be watching when the Steelers have the ball. You're going to be taking your boys the concession.

We're going to be like, we got to be back for Drake May possessions. They can go. Listen. Get ready for Drake May. I do mostly believe in Drake May. Now, is a large part of that because of the year he was born and how tall he is? Yes. That's okay.

But I like the traits. I think it is fair to say week one, he was bad. And week two, I thought he was quite good. And so I think where he is, I don't think yet putting him in the top 15. That's why I got a dose of projection. Kevin, I think it's perfect because I think they're the same guy. Who? Drake May and Sam Darnel.

Oh, wow. You nailed it. That's not a little bit. He can't move. Uh-huh. He can't move. Sam Darnel doesn't run like Michael Vick. He doesn't.

No one ever sees Sam Darnel like, that reminds me of Michael Vick. Nobody other than you as anything about Drake May. Sunday Fox doubleheader. Playoff rematch. Rams versus Eagles. Then America's Game of the Week. And an early must win for Ben Johnson and Caleb. Must win tomorrow's going to be crazy.

There's some real must wins. The Chiefs are in one. Oh, my gosh. Cowboys Bears, 4 o'clock on Fox. Yeah. Rob, buddy. Quick no huddle here. Talking about the tush push.

Replay showing the Eagles false start on one of the tush pushes. On most of them. Really? There was a lot. How many did they run? Seven. You think there was four of them? There was four where they were either lined up off sides or full start.

It looks like when you look at that one, though, everybody's in the new. Exactly. Offense, defense. The internet ref watchers smell blood in the water. And there it is. Maybe they've always been cheating, but here's Siriani. They're definitely. The one clip I saw of it was slowed down so much that I'm not sure you can see that to the naked.

I mean, it was slowed down so much. And I get how we can manipulate things and show things like that. But it was slowed down so much. It was like, right? But we have to be perfect. We understand that we have to be perfect on that play. Okay, good. Then be perfect moving forward because we'll show here. Here's the play he's talking about that Tom Brady said two guards false started on. We all can agree and we can show it to you at the speed. I don't know if we can go full here hubs or not. This is at the speed he's talking about it's way too slow. So go ahead and run that at 2x and let's see. I can tell. Oh, here it is. Let's see it. Here it is at 2x. Let's just see. Can you tell? I can tell. What about 3x hubs? Can we still see that the two guards jump. Okay, I can tell there too.

You can? The center doesn't move and the... This is a bad look, Nick. I don't know if the audience is like that. We can't go back and, I mean, this, okay, if you want to say they're off-size, the chiefs are in the neutral zone. No, everybody's all over the place. So here's the problem.

You're saying the chiefs are in the neutral zone. So that's the other piece of it that's just wrong. We'll show you an overhead look of a different one. The neutral zone... So what about this one? I'm not right. Look at that. Look at 95.

Right. And that's my point. That's not the neutral zone and that's the problem. The neutral zone is where the ball is. And you don't. So 51's over the ball on the Eagles. Right. The ball is under 51's numbers.

And his right guard is in the neutral zone. So that's the other edge, which is why one of the reasons they're so much more effective. The defense is honoring the neutral zone. The offense is in it. And the refs can't see anything. So again, like, you, I don't, I know you said this is a bad look. I don't know why.

It sounds like, I mean, I don't, the revisionist history, like the Chiefs or the Eagles been cheating all these past several years on this play. I don't want to hear that. To be clear, hold on. I just don't want to make this very clear. Because yesterday you were saying, they've been cheating. No, no, no. So if I said the word cheating or, you know, doing it.

I think they have been getting. It's been very clear. The whole last four years or how long it's been. I wonder what Nick's argument would be. the Kansas City Chiefs. Right. I mean, come on. No, I don't want to hear that.

Hold on. They've been bulldozing people, including the Chiefs. Okay, so that's all it is. This is, hold on. This is where I will get upset because I am on the record four years ago before the Chiefs and Eagles ever played a single game that mattered, how much I hated this play. That's fine, but you said yesterday, you talked yesterday like they've been, they've been, for lack of a better term, cheating, getting away with stuff.

Cheating was the word that I said the news read. Yeah. So to be clear, I think, I don't think it is cheating. I think they have recognized that they get away with it, and so they lean into it. I do think, and I've said on this show, that they jump early and they line up in front. I've said that. All the time? With regularity.

I don't know. It's certainly not every single one. With regularity. And to be clear, for my money, the Eagles have beaten my team in one game ever. that mattered and that game they didn't need the tush push the super bowl they were very effective on it the chiefs won i don't really you know what i mean i'm not as worked up about sunday's game as other people i am focusing on it because it sometimes takes the broadcast shining a light on it for the league to take notice and that's what i think's happening and syriani playing patty cake with the video was

slowed down so much that's not what i believe to be true i wish we could live in a time where Every time someone disagreed with something, they don't say it's been manipulated, like the video is the video, and they probably did leave early, but that's always going to be the case. You're going to push the rules as far as you can push them until somebody does something about it. This is a really hard thing to officiate. I get the problem that the officials have because the different, the guy could have moved the ball slightly when the guards moved,

but it's kind of underneath them so you can't really see it. I imagine at the end of the day, it's so hard to officiate, that's probably what's going to kill this. I agree. But I don't think it's cheating because we've seen so many other teams do it ineffectively. We're cheating. So it's, yeah, so it's hard

to, hard to It's taking advantage with what the league will let you get away with. And my question is, is the league going to crack down on? I think that's a good question. Yeah, I do think this is the last year we'll see it. I'm talking about during the year that they're going to be called for procedural.

They're going to be, they're going to have a This week. Yes. This week, but I don't think they're going to get called for it because I think the Eagles are going to be super buttoned up on it. So if anything, I think they're going to be more buttoned up

and be like, we can do this. Here's the tweet from the Eagles social media where I do think this is also given the Eagles a little bit of, you know, they hate us because they ain't us type motivation. Since you guys like these slow-mo videos so much, we made another one. Sequin tweeted or had something on.

Instagram, Lane Johnson had something. It's a little bit of like us against the world now that I think is going to benefit the Eagles. So I buy that. Here is, if I may just quickly, there's if I think two things

could happen based on the added scrutiny of it. One is you're right, Wilds, and they will make sure not to jump and not be lined up in front, and I think that will make it less effective. I think it will still be a good play, but not this

unstoppable, perfect play the way it has been. And the other thing that could happen is if they're like, man, we're going to run it the way we've always run it, the penalty of a false start on a fourth and one on your own 34 is a turnover. But you know what I mean? Because now you're punting. You know what I mean? And the penalty of a false start

on a fourth and goal from the inch line when it's an automatic touchdown is four points. And so I just think it's so dramatically punitive because they get it every time in spots they otherwise would just be giving the ball away. I don't think it takes them getting called in it a bunch for it to have a real knock-on effect. The Chiefs did a better job Sunday of defending it. Like they stopped it twice, I believe. And then some of the ones they got, it was really close. Yeah.

So, yeah. Jane Daniels, not a guarantee to start this weekend when the commuters take on. The Raiders, let's take a listen to Dan Quinn with an update. Now lots of the questions will be about our QB, but I can say here's what I know. And when I say that, it's all really that I know. So he did have an MRI, and he has already begun his return to play process with us. He is truly day-to-day. What does that mean for Sunday?

I can't tell you that now. Bro, the one-in-one commander is in trouble. I don't think they're in trouble right now, but you know, you go down if they go one and two because Jaden can't play. I think the biggest concern for me if I'm the commanders is this is his second year,

his second year he's taking a hit. And I know you're probably going to expound on it, Nick, but, you know, he runs so much and he takes some shots. And even if he can play if he's limited, like last year he played through it, but he had that stretch where he was limited. So that would be a concern.

Look, offensive. I mean, I think they're fine, but they haven't gotten McLaurin going, so you expect that to pick up. They haven't gotten their run game outside of Jaden going, and now Echler is on IR. So there's some concerns there. I didn't think they were a top-tier Super Bowl contender this year. I think they're a contender, but I think there's a few teams ahead of them, and they kind of look like I've expected from them. Yeah, so going to the season of my concern is them being the oldest team. the league that there's an injury problem or there will could be an injury problem that usually

happens around mid-season with older teams but what's happened with these guys is jaden's hurt but they've also lost two starters to season-ending injuries they've got three other guys that are going to miss time last year all season they had one starter miss a total of nine games they were the healthiest team yeah so they're incredibly healthy and already at the start of done three guys that are going to miss time jaden we don't know where he is and And this is still an older team. So as the games stack up, odds are that number is going to increase, not decrease. So that's problematic.

That's a concern. Yeah. The Thursday night was brutal for him, man. They lost WISE for the year, we think. They lost Echler, definitely for the year. And Jaden got banged up. And listen, I, the least, as far as if people think, like our takes are thought out, by like what's the best strategy for TV.

The worst strategic take is, I think this player is really good, but I don't trust he's going to be healthy long term because if you're proven right, you don't get to be like, I told you so. And so, but my concerns about Jaden's frame, particularly married with his style,

is like those exist. And last year, to Bruce's point, the only part of the year he wasn't brilliant was when his ribs were banged up, He now didn't get through two weeks of this year without a knee sprain. Again, the knee sprain might have nothing to do with his frame, but it certainly could have something to do with this style. And the writ, I mean, even if he was a little heavier, it's not like...

Well, I don't know, Coach, I'm telling you right now, if you and I both get tackled by the same force, I think you handle it better than me. And so I just, I, the commanders are in a tenuous spot because of those injuries that coach is talking about. And I don't think they have this team. that is built to handle, like, that can just, oh, sustain without their star quarterback. You know what I mean? Like, I think that he is, they'd be in deep, deep trouble. So all of that concerns me.

All right. Ben Johnson, 0 and 2, but is optimistic about Caleb as the Bears try to get a win against DAC this Sunday on Fox. Here's the Bears coach on his quarterback. Take a listen. I did see significant growth. It's not perfect yet. There's still a number of plays.

where our eyes aren't quite in the right position or we're holding on to the ball just a tick longer than what we're coaching. But I did see tremendous growth in terms of going through the progression. Okay, brewing your eyes is Caleb headed in the right direction? I think he's,

he looks a lot like you looked last year. You know, like people forget, you mentioned yesterday, coach, they were four and two. And he had some big games last year. No. had four touchdowns against your Jags. He had 300 yards against Detroit. You know, like...

He had a big game against Minnesota and Brian Flores. Yeah. So he's faced two of the top two good defenses this year. Three touchdowns, one pick. He's been fine. I trust that with Ben Johnson, it is going to get better. But I'm saying so far, I would say

he looks fine, but I don't know if I see a bunch of progress from last year because he had his moments last season, too. And last season was, what, 20 touchdowns and six picks? They started off strong. They had the Hail Mary game. The two games they lost.

Both those games were close. And when you watch them this season, there are a bunch of throws where you're like, wow, that's an impressive throw. That's a really good throw. The mistakes, which to me, he can completely control running around and then throwing it inbounds where it gets picked. And the other pick that got called back because of roughing the pass. those things need to be eliminated and I don't think it's something that he can't fix. I do think he can.

I think with Ben Johnson and this system, he's got an offensive-minded head coach who's also the offensive coordinator. That should lead to some growth as well. We want so much from young quarterbacks so quickly and there's so much hype when a guy comes in that anything less than exceptional is considered a disappointment. He may just be taking longer than other guys.

guys, but I wouldn't sell my stock in Caleb yet. You know, it's down, but I wouldn't sell. And I, well, listen, I didn't sell all of it. I was just over-indexed. I was over-exposed. I was worried about a margin call and I, like, let me just diversify some risk. I personally would argue, and I think you will think this is fair, that if there were not the coming into the league expectations, that we would.

would not look at him as behind, clearly behind, any of the quarterbacks in his class but Jaden. Now, the one person that there might be argument of that is Bo Nix, but to be, you know, and maybe I'm just an extremist on where I find, see Bo Nix. I think he's a polarizing player, but I don't think people are down on Drake May. And you know what I mean? Drake may to me was, has, of the four games between Caleb and Drake this year, Drake has the best and the worst, and Caleb has the second and the third. You know what I mean? Spots on it. What is positive is in both he's been exceptional in that opening script. You know what I mean?

Ben Johnson scripted verse 15. And I honestly think that is a good step. And you know what I mean? And then being able to, you know... He struggled kind of after that. He struggled after that. And he has... I personally believe Caleb's biggest issue right now

is emotional maturity. I think his biggest issue right now is accepting that there are going to be... going to be two or three plays a game that I just butcher. You know what I mean? And not letting that, you know, throw him off. Carry over into the rest of the game. What is this?

This is this Benson Boone guy. Who's that? He's like a sexy guy. Why are we playing his music? Because we cleared it. He's got his shirt off. He's doing back clips. I understand, but what does that do with our show?

I don't know. No, you got to explain to me what's this happening. happen tomorrow it's the greatest segment in all sports television next tears also listen to it on the podcast and youtube uh baker now 2 and oh has thrown the second most touchdown since the start of last year he's tied for seventh best odds for mvp but let's see if he appears on one of the most esteemed segments in all the sports media It's line for Bruce Ballard. With also the creepiest graphic. The blinking Lamar Bru.

I want to hear y'all thoughts on this because, like I say, it might be controversial. And at number five, J-Low. Now, I thought about Daniel Jones, but here's the thing. It's a tapestry. And this is not like what I'm predicting will happen. These are my MVP's at this point. However, I expect Daniel Jones to fade. I don't expect J-Lap.

So I think he'll still be around. Obviously two big wins, four touchdowns, no picks, he's clean. So J-Lo at number five. At number four, Josh Allen. Josh Allen was number one last week, drops the number, you know,

didn't have to do much against the Jets. Wasn't particularly great as numbers for sure, so it drops to number four. At number three, Baker. And here's the thing. Baker has been incredibly clutched. The two game-winning drives to start the season against good teams, competitive teams. He's been great in the clutch.

His numbers are solid. He's got the five touchdowns, no picks. But no, you know, he doesn't pass a rate is 98, hadn't thrown for a ton of yards. But he's been incredibly clutched. At number two, Lamar. All right? Shocking. Six touchdowns leads the league.

136 pass-or-raining. The only reason is not one is because they have a loss. Yes. I mean, that, yeah, I mean, that, because he was great. He was great against the bills. Right. That's the thing. He was great, but we're two games in there, one and one.

I get it. And then at number one, Justin Herbert. I mean, the dude has been phenomenal. This is phenomenal. This is my worst nightmare. I can't believe. You don't think he, right now, if you had to vote right now, who would you vote for? Go ahead.

Right now. No, this is why the show works. You know, if the world was made up at Kevin Wilde's as. How, I mean, my God. I would never do this. I'm like, that's Danny's corner. I would never, ever do this. But you are a man of integrity.

I don't care. I'm just telling the truth. Yes. Yeah, so I appreciate that. Okay, can I, can I? I'm going to. I saw your face all scrunched up. I just don't think Jordan Love deserves it.

I think Mike has been the most impactful Packer. I think the story has been the Packers defense. And so like the, you know what? And so if I were going to include a Packer, I would put him there. If it's like, it's got to be quarterbacks, I'd put Stafford. And so... He's got a 120 pass rating, J-Lo. They've played a tough competition.

Yeah, the... He's got a good group of receivers, but not what Stafford has. Huka and Demonte Adams? Sure. I mean, yes. I mean, I agree with you. I think that they both have good receiving courts that's different. I'm trying to think if there's anybody other than Stafford that I...

Daniel Jones... Jonathan Taylor didn't have a big first game. Listen. I hear you on Micah. I thought about Michael, realistically. And again, if it's, if we're doing like the one-in-one you're still eligible, there's a sneaky DAC argument.

Just like there's a Lamar argument. Over any of those guys, though? Again, I think that Jordan Love has not had an MVP caliber two games. I think it'll crystallize. Yeah, it's early. Yeah, it's very early. Of course. But I love seeing Baker.

Baker up there. Bake show is a legit candidate. Start off with Daniel Jones. Greg is, we got, Greg's going to be. at the airport right now. First thing for us overtime coming up at 5 o'clock. Stay with us. Live video, it's a show that's asked as the assigned to a guy.

Let's ease back off the interviews. Well, he has no choice. He has to do all for actually obligated. He's just gotten really bad at him, bro. He's just, he's just, he was just asked about Josh Allen. He's like, man, that guy's amazing. I can't do half of what he does. I can't run the job.

I thought Nick was joking around. I thought he took a reel to a quote and then slid in a dig at Kua. And he's like, no, that's what he really said. What he said. And yesterday he said, listen, I've talked with Tyreek. He needs to understand that when I throw the ball, he needs to stop, find it, look, and come back. That'll help us. I'm not lying.

It's a pair of praise, but he didn't say. Keep talking to it every day. It's right. It's Danny Parkins day here on first things first. Today, are we expecting Caleb? to make the leap against a porous Dallas defense. Yes. Interesting.

Meanwhile, top 10 Tuesday from Parkins coming about 18 minutes. How far have the Chiefs fallen? We discussed. They were not on Collins' herd hierarchy for the first time in half-deck. That's a little much. How big is the hierarchy? 10. 10.

It's fine with Wilds. Wilds thinks the only people who believe in the Chiefs are born in Missouri. Obviously, they are the only... They are the only one of the few teams that have lost their last three games. That's not true at all. One of the few. Okay. I'd have to look at it.

I bet most of the O and two teams lost their last game last year. The Texans definitely did. Yeah, but then they had a buy. Danny's guy, Justin Herbert, undefeated. 240 some odd yards, two touchdowns last night. One of them perfect. Here's Herbert after the game. It's one week at a time for us.

You know, it's the way you got to play this game. You can't look too far ahead and you can't look in the past. And, you know, we're going to watch the film on this one and move on to our next opponent. Obviously, there are things to clean up today. But I like the direction where we're going. And as long as we're moving forward, keep getting better. I like the things that this team could do. Okay, Herbert.

Like Herbert. Danny here are Herbert's ranking. I as well call him. Second pass, three yards per pass. Second of yards per pass. Ties for second, five touchdowns, no intercept. Those are pretty good. over 300 total yards and fifth in completion percentage.

Before you even go to Danny, I have terrible news for everyone. What is it? What are you doing? Terrible news. Danny's agenda has broken contained. See what Fanduil tweeted? Fan duel is tweeting stuff? Banduel.

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Asking the question. Now you can get back to it, but I don't like that one bit. Ball Nowers. Oh, there at Fanduel. And Brew. Ballner. Number one on the MVP ballot. Well done. Yes, absolutely. I mean, I'm back to rooting against.

What? Yeah. Herbert top five. I mean, officially a top five. QB. Yes, obviously. Wait, you can't. You have the number one. You have the best in the league.

I got him as the MVP right now after two weeks. Officially, and look, I know my thing is fluid. We got the top four. I thought we were alive. After two weeks, there is no official number five yet. There is no official number five right now. It's still fluid. Yeah, we got to see how this season plays out.

Now, if he plays this way, say wins a playoff. game, then you can throw him in there, maybe. But we got what if he bombs out in the playoffs? Well, that's an A-block topic for January box. Okay, I'm just saying official, I can't officially say he's number five right. You have, we did a whole thing, bruised

ballot, you have a little outfit, you have the trophy, and you said, and my number one vote. Well, right now, after two games this season, I don't think he's better than the Mara Jackson or Patrick Bowman. I want to hear Danny's take, but I agree. You're saying? Yes.

Spru doesn't think Baker's, the third has quarterback in football, but he had him third on his ballot. Also, for the record, there is no official. We're just talking to. But there's kind of an official top four. Yeah.

I mean, it feels like mostly universally agreed upon top four. Yeah. So I'm just saying, I'm not saying the five is locked. I can't say the five is locked. I think the five is locked. And it's partly based on, yes,

what we have seen through these. two games, but also what we've seen through five years. But those numbers that you just put up, we can put them up again. Well, I'm just saying all those numbers are in the top five. And it's two weeks. It's a two weeks sample, but all of those numbers are in the top five. And if it's, he needs to do it for a full year. He needs to win an MVP. He needs to do those sort of things. He is starting hot like MVP candidates have started before. If you have 600 yards, five touchdowns, no picks, and a two and no start to three, your first. two games. Like you come out of the game that hot. Your list is MVP winners and guys who had

great years but lost to the MVP. So I mean it is out of the gate hot and I don't feel like because because Fandul is doing the heavy work for me there with the Peyton Manning thing. What they haven't done is they're not tracking year six Peyton where he won the MVP with year six of Herbert and Justin Herbert's crushing him. I mean better completion percentage, more yards, more touchdowns, same number of wins, both undefeating. Would you, and I don't want to get into, I know Wilds will kill me, we don't want to get into a historic, but the numbers, it was different playing quarterback. Well, that's why he's right.

That's why the numbers are. So it's not an apple. Yeah, but the 5-0 versus 1-2 is something. The point is the wins now through two games have caught up with the I test. You said earlier, like no one's ever denied like his ability to throw the ball. Yeah. Well, now they're letting him throw the ball because the rest of the team, including the coach, has figured out, oh, yeah, we have this truly elite quarterback. I mean, they came on the beginning of the broadcast last night and they're like, the Chargers think they maybe have the best quarterback in football.

The Chargers believe they've got an MVP candidate here. And I know that's a team talking up their own guy, but they are game planning around him as such. And so now that he's empowered, I don't know why anyone would think he can't be top five or eventually high. Listen, I think he can be. I think calling him that right now is ludicrous. I think that he has, he has, because this is, he's, to your point, he's always had the talent. It's always been about have you produced. And there is literally nothing, in my opinion, a player can do through the first two games of year six to cement that stamp that we're talking about.

So because we've known, in a weird way, a rookie would have almost a better chance of like stamping it because they- Well, a lot of people thought it was Jaden. Correct. And that's kind of my point. Like, Jaden because all we've seen was excellence and then a real playoff run and all of that, that to me was almost more evidence than a player who we have seen play awesome in regular seasons. We have seen, you know, to your point, the whatever record he has, as a rookie, he broke a record and he still has. Most touchdowns for a rookie ever with 31 and most passing yards ever through five seasons. Right.

And so, right. And so, and for me at least, that still wasn't enough to have him in contemplation for the top five because we have other quarterbacks who maybe don't quite pass the eye test as much as him, but have done so much more. and played their best ball in the biggest spots. And so I do think Herbert is off to an awesome start. I don't love, and I'm curious where you guys stand on it, I don't love how many hits he's taking running the ball. I think that is, I think you don't sign Najee Harris and draft Marianne Hampton to have some of your best runs of the year

be from your quarterback. I don't like that Mahomes is doing it with the Chiefs. They're doing it out of utter necessity. They can't move the ball and their running game stinks. These guys have, I don't totally understand that element of it, and it's a little concerning to me. But he's off to a great start, but to just say he's stamped ahead of,

whether it's Jaden or Stafford or Baker or Wild Sky Hurts, I mean, Jailo, if he, you know, continues. Yeah. Like has a great. And Jalo passes an eye test too in a different way than Herbert does. He puts the ball in harm's way, though, more, more than. than Herbert does. Well, not, I mean, in the playoffs, they both put it in harm's way a lot.

Like, you know what I mean? Like, I'm not going to... Herbert had the worst game of his career in one spot where two interceptions went off his guy's hands. But how many do you have that game? It was four. Okay. Two of them were on the guys next to them.

I mean, I mean, and that's, and I also, and Wilde's your point for kind of our show, I think Smartly has been we can't make every single conversation about the postseason when we're in week two. And I agree with that. I also, like last night when I heard on the broadcast that he has now has 30 touchdowns to three interceptions and his last however many games, those asterisks, those stats, the four interception playoff game almost weighs heavier because he only threw three interceptions all of last year. You know what I mean? That makes it feel more out of the, so far out of the norm that it felt like.

it was a real flaw in that. So I will need to see more, but you've believed he's top five quarterback since Oregon. For years, and one team drafted Tua in front of him. Insane. Chargers defense. This is their fourth game allowing under 10 points. Are you at all worried that you're going to have to go down the Jalen Hertz MVP candidacy route rather than the Joe Burrow candidate C.

MVP route last year, Burrow, like, we got to light it up, we got to score 40. you know, they could have scored 14 and won this game. I mean, obviously, and Nick's made the point before, a great defense helps a quarterback. It's invaluable. But there's no A.J. Brown, Devante Smith, Sequin Barclay on this team. And his offensive line is very good, but it's not the Philadelphia Eagles offensive line, the Slater injury. I don't think the Chargers' overall roster can be compared to the Eagles, especially on the offensive. Also, he's throwing it a lot more.

I think Wilde is saying that they take the ball out of his hand some. Yeah, they just need to win the game. They can play a more, like what you did last year. You can play a more conservative style of football that doesn't fill up the stats. Yeah, I mean, we'll see if their running game comes on. But right now he's doing it. Last year, they were a great running team. For two games this year, they've been a terrible running game.

He's throwing it so much this year, which is, it's incredibly. With Greg Roman and Jim Harbaugh, it's shocking how much they're leaning into her. Yeah. It should because he's very good to throwing the ball. Chargers, Broncos. MVP right now. Bake Show also 2-0, $2.15 in the air, two touchdowns,

33 charismatic yards on the ground. I mean, there's an argument for Baker top five. Yeah. What do you think? Oh, here's Baker post-game, sorry. In these two-minute close games, we were not on the right side of things for the past couple of years,

and it's good to see that we haven't even played close to our best ball in all three phases, and we're still finding ways to win on the road, and that's really important. is to not lose sight of that. We're finding ways to win, but also we do need to get things fixed. What did Baker and the Bucks prove last night? I mean, for Baker, he's a continuation of what he's been proven

in the last couple years, that he is, as Brew mentioned, in that argument as one of the very best quarterbacks in football. And I don't know, Christina, if we have it or not. But what Danny and Wild stat for Justin Herbert with his ranks for this year, that stat exists for Baker with the rank. ranks over last season to this season. You know what I mean? The 20 games.

I mean, that is, that, that's stunning. The touchdowns are wild. Yeah, man. And since he became a buck, he's second or third in passing touchdowns. I don't remember what the number is, but I know he's top three. Or it might even be first, but I know he's top three. And so he has become not only one of the more clutch players. at the position and amazingly one of the more reliable players of the position,

but also the heartbeat of that team. You know what I mean? Like I think those, as much as I hate some of the Herbert runs and the Mahomes runs, I'll take it with Baker. I think that's part of like what makes him him. It's like the play last year, and I should have had him pull it, when it was fourth down and Nikki Bosa had him, And he just held on to Nicky Bose's face mask, basically, while completing a pass.

Like, the gritty, tough plays are part of what makes Baker special and makes his teammates love him. And I think, Brew, given their schedule, I think the one seat is very in play for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Yeah, I heard you say that earlier. I, look, it's in play. But I think because, like, I don't think the NFC North is as good as we thought it was going to be. Now, Minnesota might not be that good. Chicago might not be the good. So you got two teams.

So I think the winner of that division could have a much better record. So it's in play for him, no. But they prove they're a contender. I agree with everything Nick said about Baker. And I agree even with the running part. That's part of Baker. Like his story, if you look at his story, his entire life, in high school people didn't believe in him.

In college, they didn't believe in him. Then finally, people believe in him. And he goes number one. and it doesn't pan out. Then he becomes this underdog again, and now he's back at the top. So look, it's great for him, but they're a legit contender.

Danny, I would have Green Bay, Philadelphia, and Detroit ahead of them, but I kind of think they're a second-tier, legit Super Bowl contender, though. I think they are, too, and what they're doing right now with Worf's being out,

maybe the best tackle in football, that's a huge piece to like the other guy got hurt. Clancy. Yeah, the other tackle got hurt last night. Clancy, obviously. is a big injury for them. So we'll see how, you know, injured they are, which is a huge determining factor in every season.

I heard what you said about Baker earlier and how you would process it if you were a Browns fan. And I'm with you because, I mean, they have all of this history of quarterback futility. But I went back and looked at it after I heard you said it. He did play 59 games for them. Yeah. And the last year, it was 17 touchdowns and 13 picks.

So Wilds, you were like, if we get Baker on, would he be this player if he would have stayed there. My hunch is he would say and the true answer is no. Because the part of that question, what did Baker and the Bucks prove? Just focus on the Bucs piece of it for a second. When we talk about best organizations in football, we talk about the ones that have hoisted the Lombardi Trophy, understandably.

Philly, Kansas City. Well, the Bucs have. They've hoisted it. Sure, with Brady. I think Brady gets more credit for that. But you're right. But what they've done and what Baker has done, Like, Chris Godwin had reportedly $30 million more on the table from New England.

And he went back to Tampa. They brought back all 11 starters on their offense. Liam Cohen left and they're still winning. Like, he's done it with multiple coaches. I think two straight court because Canales left, then Liam Cohen. They are just quietly, Jason, like the general manager, the Todd Bulls, you know, resurgence as a head coach. They are quietly a top five organization. And just in terms of stability, production.

They win the division every year. They win the division every year. We don't talk about them in those terms, but I don't know what else to say about them. They are just underrated and underappreciated. Cowboys Bears on Fox, you know, Russ just threw for 450 yards against the Cowboys. So is Caleb going to light up Dallas in Chicago?

Well, Ben Johnson has seen improvements from his quarterback. Take a listen. I did see significant growth. It's not perfect yet. I did think he got better from week one to week two. I'm encouraged by what I saw, and I'm hopeful that we'll continue to see another leap here this week. Danny, you've been following, Caleb. Do you think he's going to take a leap against the Cowboys?

Yes, I do. I also don't think that progress is totally linear. Like, I think there will be a step forward and then a step back, and this is going to be, you know, a flight with some turbulence here. here in his first year with Ben Johnson and changing his style of play and being more on time and in rhythm and adjusting to this. But ultimately it will pay dividends because the stuff that he can do that is so special is not going to go away and it will always be there. You want that to be your change up. You want your fastball to be in the pocket on time and that's what Ben Johnson

is coaching him to do. And if he beats the Cowboys where they're favored and then he beats the Raiders where they will likely be favored if they beat the Cowboys. They'll be two and two heading into the buy, and I think everything will be okay. So I do expect him to take a step forward. I do think he is going to be fine, and I think a lot of the sky is falling rhetoric out of the Detroit game specifically is silly.

So is it possible that Caleb will be fine, but the sky is falling in Chicago? Because that would be my concern would be this, because the Chicago Bears just allowed 52 points. Yeah. And all, when we've talked about him, we're talking about Caleb. Like, you know, was that a positive sense? I think he's a mistake.

Right. No, well, I, I, here's the thing. He is going to be the epicenter of the attention. Of course. You know what I mean? People don't care, you know, about, oh, Jalen Johnson's out for the year. Like, well, that's not, and Ben Johnson's not a defensive mastermind. He's an offensive mastermind.

People are going to be focused on that. And so my, my concern would be that, that even if Caleb takes positive steps like you think he can against a Cowboys defense that has not, aside from post-weather delay in week one, has just let every team go up and down the field at will, that why do I think that the Bears defense is going to slow down what right now looks to be, like one of the most prolific passing attacks in football? And will that muddy the waters to a degree on what progress Caleb is or isn't making? if they get blown out again.

You know what I mean? Like that would be my, and I'm not saying I'm picking it, but I don't know that I can pick the Bears right now to beat any team with a good quarterback because I just don't know how they're going to get stops against those. They better not lose in a blowout.

They can lose, but it better be a shootout. Oh. You know, like, I mean, I don't expect to throw for $4.50, like Russ, but if they lose, because like I said, to me now, this season for Bears fans is about, Caleb is Caleb does he prove to us that he's our guy for the future and if he goes out there against the cowboys and throws for 290 something like that a few touchdowns and they lose yeah you can handle that that would be great if he doesn't cook the cowboys if he looks kind of like

he's looked these first two games then that that's kind of problematic would you be happy with that danny that it's like a c how many times i've done that bears show on the radio like hey there's a little bit of progress yeah but they lost Would I be happy with it? No, because I'm not ready to give up on this season. Hold on. I'm not ready yet. We'll get there soon.

I have a question. What is at your core and you're right now an avatar for Bears or Bears fans? Yeah, good. A 9 to 6 Bears victory where Caleb throws two picks and, you know, or. You mean a game I've seen 700 times in my head? Or 35, 31, Caleb's awesome. I'll take that one. I knew it.

Really? Yeah. So you're not ready to give up with the Bears season, but you'll sacrifice it at the author of Taylor. Oh, and three, they are done. I've seen nine and six with the quarterback to be bad so many times that I would take offensive explosion. And I know not all Bears fans will agree with me on that, but forest through the trees. The more significant thing is, oh, wow, we do have a quarterback. That's the bigger thing.

We also need to see Ben Johnson get in rhythm a little bit. Yeah, that would help. It's like, oh, it's Caleb. He can't run my system. Like, well, maybe you can't coach Caleb. Think about that. Where's his running game, too? Wow, right.

Well, now you're letting that. No, I'm just. Time now for the most easy to understand segment in all of sports television. Top 10 Tuesday. I'm Danny Parkins with coach Eric Mangini and Willie Colon at this time each and every week. I tell you who the top 10 teams in the NFL are. And then neither of these two gentlemen disagree. And we just move on.

because it is of course a perfect list. It's that simple. We begin with number 10, the Washington Commanders down three spots, but it was a loss of the Packers who are great, so we're not going to bump them completely out of the top 10, though. Marcus Marriota could be in line to make a start for the first time in a long time.

Concerns with the commanders, though, just beyond the injuries, Larry Tunsell, where's that impact? Because seven sacks for that offensive line allowed in just two games. They are 21st in yards per play. The offense, not looking as elite as we thought it would coming into the year. Number nine, we've been talking about them all day.

The Tampa Bay Buccaneers unranked last week. Clutch. We know what Baker Mayfield can do, but if you actually want to quantify it, tied for the most touchdowns in the fourth quarter in the last two years, second best pass rating in the fourth quarter. Money time, money performance from that quarterback, and they're not fully healthy yet. So when Baker said last night, their best ball is still to come,

I think he's got a lot of reason to believe that. Number eight, Willie, you were right. I had him outside the rankings before the year, and it was a mistake. I've seen enough with the Los Angeles Rams who entered the top 10. And you could talk about Stafford and Devante and Puka and what they want to do with the running game. But man, that defense, best defense in the NFL. Talk to him. I'm saying, listen, they were, they're young, but they're productive.

And they're carrying over what they did from last year. I cannot wait to see what they do in that playoff game rematch, the divisional round, which was awesome last year. They get the Eagles this week. Number seven, this is more like it. My Super Bowl pick for the third consecutive year in terms of representing the NFC is the Detroit Lions. I hated that the Bears had to be on the wrong end of it,

but that offense, when it's humming, is an absolute juggernaut. Last week was their third game scoring 50 or more since 2023, the rest of the NFL, four combined. When they get rolling, their offense is as good as anyone. Number six, the lowest I've had them in years. What? The Kansas City Chiefs.

Here's the thing. they're going to get the benefits out for me longer than most people would like them to get the benefit of the doubt. Why? Well, we'll get into it. But there's no worthy. There's no rice. I still think by far their best is still to come. And Mahomes, the numbers haven't been there. He looks fine to me. So if I got Mahomes, I think they're going to be okay. And their defense had a really nice performance overall. So I do think the Chiefs are going to be just fine.

Number five, the Green Bay Packers. I know some people have him at one. I don't trust the quarterback to not feel. throw interceptible balls. He's had some good luck so far. The passes that he's thrown that have been in harm's way have just fallen to the turf. So that hasn't happened. But their defense this year has allowed nine points

and zero touchdowns. So that's pretty, pretty good. But number four, the Chargers. Now, I can talk about Justin Herbert. And I have. And I will. A lot. That he's top five in every category, top five in touchdowns,

in yards, and completion percentage, and rating. But how about the Chargers defense, which is carrying over its production, was the number one scoring defense last year, picking up right where it left off as a top three defense overall to start the year. Third in scoring, first and pass rating. They have allowed one touchdown through the air. Pretty impressive considering, of course, they played Mahomes in week one. Number three, there is no change, the Baltimore Ravens.

I can't jump you up for blowing out the Cleveland Browns when that is exactly what you are supposed to do. But since the beginning of last year, Lamar Jackson's to cool 47 to 4. Touchdown to Interception ratio. That's going to win you a lot of games, unless, of course, you're Baltimore and it's January. Number two would be the Buffalo Bills and Josh Allen and everything that they are able to do. James Cook, by the way, unbelievable production on the ground. And here's the thing about Buffalo. We can put up the Bill's schedule, please.

Why everyone thinks they're going to be the one seed is because they're going to be the one seed. Miami, New Orleans, New England, Atlanta. They're not going to lose the buy. Carolina, they get the chiefs at home. I mean, there's just not much there. The Chargers have an easy schedule, too, so I think the Chargers are going to have something to say about that. We can talk about that as we go.

But, man, Buffalo is playing well. They got that win against Baltimore, and the road in front of them is looking good. And then, number one, this is just my own personal rule for Top Ten Tuesday. You want to be the champs, you've got to beat the champs. The Philadelphia Eagles remain at number one. They have not looked the part in terms of the time. of dominance yet, but Jalen hurts.

He's a winner, really? He's a winner. No, no, listen, that's, the tongue is firmly implanted in the cheek there. But listen, their defense is allowed seven points in the second half through two games. Obviously, their best football still to come as well. All right, perfect list coach.

It's, it's surprising. I agree with you a lot more than I ever agree with Nick, but we're not quite at the perfect list. No, no, yeah, all right. Profession is unavailable. There are a lot of good things on the list. I like Detroit, and I really like Johnny Morton, their new offensive coordinator. His guy I worked with in San Francisco, but I think you're a little too high on them right now.

And as you look at the game last week against Chicago, I don't know if the narrative is that the lines are back to who they were, or if the narrative is Chicago's worse than what we thought they were going to be. It's a combination. And what I didn't love, I didn't love the volume. I know you loved it, the volume of celebration that Detroit had, the whole, the idea that this was some big revenge game. But the amount of time that gets spent on this celebration, prepping for this celebration, look, it's week two. They had a nice game. But to see it consistently is what I'm going to need to do with two new coordinators. And I wouldn't start celebrating Detroit in the sense that they're back.

So when I do these things, like if you've been good for a long time, I'm going to give you more of the benefit of the doubt. And that's reflected in a lot of the rankings here for my list. But I understand, and, you know, we disagree. I love the celebration. If you're taunting and trash talking, even if against my team, I got to respect it. All right, so coach had a quibble. Willie, perfect. First of all, bless your kind heart.

You are a given man. I got to give you that. I do have a problem with the list. Any team that starts off on two doesn't deserve a good. Doesn't deserve to be in the top 10. That's just me. That should be for everybody walking around. So I'm going to drop them chiefs, and I'm going to raise those Rams.

You got to understand, the Rams want to get their lit back after especially losing to the Eagles in the playoffs, right? But this season is contingent on their health of Matthew Stafford and its plate-making ability. I got a little tape for you. Here we go right now. Rams versus Titans second and 10 under 35. Look at this big offensive alarm. I talked about Matthew Stafford's health and that clean pocket is necessary if this team wants to be successful. Watch him step up in the pocket.

A no look dime to Devonte Adams on a. So, Cletian, man, when you talk about the way they play and the weapons they have, Pooka Nu Kua, Kyra Williams, this office line is playing well, not to have a Lark Jackson. This defense is backing them up in a major way. The Rams are legit, and they're coming for the number one spot. So you can sleep now, but don't rowdy Rams. Watch out, baby. That's a hell of a throw you just showed.

You got him beating the Eagles? Yeah. You do. Okay. I feel like you pressure it to say. I had it. Yeah, yeah, I did. Yeah, that was a very quick prediction.

I didn't want to say it. You look at me and I bit the apple. You got it. The Rams, you know, my questions were, is the offensive line good enough to protect a 37-year-old quarterback who's not mobile with a bad back? And I still have those questions over the course of a 17-game season and the postseason.

But no one can doubt, Coach, if you told me, like, Matt Stafford is healthy and Matt Stafford's going to be upright. Yeah, they're a very dangerous team. And it was interesting going into week one. They kept a lot of extra offensive linemen, and people were worried thinking that it was because they weren't they were insecure in terms of who the starting group was. But as you hear them talk, they feel really good about not just the first group, but the guys that are behind them, which is fantastic for Matthews. Well, I want to say this quickly, I think a large part of its success, as we mentioned, the defense, when you're able to shout out the Titans in the second half and put the clans up again in week two, that gives the offense an extra level of confidence.

We don't have to score 30 to get out of here. Our defense has out of the back. So they look complete, man. I like the rims right now. I'll make a pledge to you. If the Chiefs go to 0 and 3, I'll drop them again. Oh, I can't promise outside of the top 10. But they're going to drop again.

Four games in a row in the Super Bowl. There you go. There you go. That is true. Hey, it's been like a week since someone has said that Jalen Hertz is under- underrated. This time, though, the case, fairly compelling. We'll get into it.

We go to Philadelphia and talk about the champs and Super Bowl MVP Jaylon. who has started this season 2 and 0. And there is a new quarterback ranking from Jeff Ho at the Athletic. How? Probably how at the athletic. And a rival executive is quoted as saying he is a killer. His toughness and makeup are so underrated.

We concern ourselves so much about armed talent and then just completely underrate the intangibles at the position. End quote. So it's the latest accusation that Jalen Hertz is underrated. And I guess guilty is charged. I do enjoy armed talent. I do enjoy my quarterbacks throwing the football. But here's where the Eagle fan argument and this rival executive lose me. I had him as the 10th best quarterback in the NFL coming into the year.

And I was told that that was wildly disrespectful facts. And then the, okay, fine. Well, then the ESPN and the athletic poll that quote the coaches and the general managers and the scouts, one of them had him ninth. The other one had him seventh or eighth. So, like, around where I had him at 10th. If I did it based on the stats, he's not top 20. Because since the start of last year when he won a Super Bowl,

he's 21st in passing yards, 22nd and touchdowns, 24th in attempts, 23rd and 300-yard games. He has thrown less than 30 pass attempts in 16 of his last 17 games. But I have him 10th because of the winning, because of the leadership, because of the toughness, because of the running, because of the intangibles. So I don't understand. Like, do I have to say he's the best? quarterback in football because he won the Super Bowl?

No. What am I missing here with this conversation? Here's what I agree. I agree he's underrated when you look at the selflessness with which he plays at, but he's not underrated when you look at him as a pastor who's being held back. And to me, that's a completely different

thing. And to some degree, this isn't a compliment. It's a little bit of an insult. It's saying he's not that great of a it is not that great of a skill set, but the intangibles, those things are are what put him over the edge and are underrated. And if you look at his production, you mentioned the 30 pass attempts. If you look at his production when he throws 30 or more versus when he throws 30 or less,

it's radically different. So his record, 32 and 9, under 30, 22 and 14 with 30 or more. Win percentage right on down the line. And over that 17 game span that you just talked about, the last 17 games, he's only thrown over 31 time, and they've been undefeated. during that time period. And there's a reason for it. And after he signed his initial contract,

that following season, he tried to justify the big numbers. And what happens? He throws 15 interceptions. He has another five fumbles. There's 20 turnovers. I think it was like fourth in the league. It wasn't very good. They go into the supernatural funk.

They lose in the playoff game. So you've got all those things happen. They come out the next year. They're trying to justify the numbers again and push that over 30. or push him over 30, make him a passer, and they go two and two. After they get away from that, they go on the winning streak and they win the Super Bowl. So to me, the formula is the formula.

It's play great defense. It's run the football and it's have him manage the game. That doesn't make him, that makes him great for this system. And I respect the eagolessness with which he plays at. But, you know, to push him to try to be this great passer, that's not who he is. Yeah, first of all. This drives you crazy. It does.

It does because one, he's, yes, he's underrated. I think that's, as we simply here talk about. But he's a Super Bowl champ. He's a Super Bowl MVP. And we treat him like he's simply a passenger on this championship team. What annoys me the most is because it seems like if the critics aren't happy with his play style, his big arms or his numbers don't jump off the page, we consider him a B-level quarterback when he simply asks to do what's best for the team, as you're stating, by running the ball, playing

behind the office and line and defense. What's not talked about is his poise and his ball security. I had the ability to play with the great Benville office program. What Ben was great at outside of his plate making ability was to lower the temperature on the field. And that was because of his demeanor and his poise. That's an intangible that a lot of these great quarterbacks don't have. The top five do, right?

But when you step up in a huddle and you're in a crucial situation, how you carry yourself in that moment matters because it ripples out to the rest of the offense. On top of how you get it, I said you do give a fumble and you just sit on the sideline, how your body language matters. This guy has mastered all those things and solely because that's not a stat or solely because that's not going down in the books. He's looked as a B-level quarterback. And that's annoying because at the end of the day, like I said, he's a champion. He's a Super Bowl MVP. And by the way, every time he goes against the number one quarterback in Patrick Mahomes, he shows up and beats him.

So I don't understand why we could put him in the bottom of the barrel. He does show up and beat him, but he shows up and beats him with a guy. guy who was almost the MVP at running back and with a defense that's operated. Because because I'm a part of a great team. I still have to do my job and be efficient at it. Right, but that doesn't make you top 10. Why not? Especially if I'm able to do. What he does. You might be in a top 10 on a top 10 team and you might be part of a top 10 organization. That doesn't necessarily make you a top 10 player.

If you look at his style of playing what he's great at, he's really efficient on on first down and he closes games. He's arguably one of the best closes since 2022. That's what makes him elite quarterback. We can knock the guy because he has Seque while Barkling, the office line. That's how he was doing a great job. But we look at this man's career, how he's been able to deliver. He answers the bell. If you put him on the bench, he comes back and he delivers. There's been so much knock on what he can't do,

instead of highlighting how he shows up each and every day in crucial situations. I can't, listen, just because I don't want to say that because we're on there and I don't want to get in trouble. But what I'm trying to say is the narrative, just because he's on a good team, is why he's not a, A-level, quarterback is nauseating because when you take away what he's able to do better without the stats, he's an elite quarterback. He wins, they produce, but I just, I struggle with like, so Nick Sierra County is the best coach, the best coach, the best quarterback, the best running back,

the best receivers, the best defense, like, it's okay to say it's just the best situation and he's very good. Yeah, I said the same thing for Patrick Mahomes. No, but you could drop Patrick Mahomes out to any team and he's going to win. Week ago, we sat here and talked about how Patrick, Colin had that big take, how the best situation for Patrick Mahomes was gifted to him with Andy Reed, Tyree Kier, Kareem, Kareem, Hunt, Travis Kelsey, and a defense that was arguably low. And then the second year when they won the Super Bowl, they were top five. So I'm saying if we allowed to Patrick Mahomes to have five thousand yards and 50 touchdowns. My point is, we can't knock the man from Patrick Mahomes to land in a great situation and Jaylor Hurts

land in the same great situation and saying that, oh, there's a difference solely because of the touchdowns. He's doing what he's asked to do. He is doing what he's asked to do. I'd like to see more touchdowns. There weren't a lot of touchdowns in that game for Houston last night. But let's talk about the other side of that game. We did Tampa a little bit earlier in the show. Texans are now 0 and 2.

The final drive, of course, by Baker Mayfield. And C.J. Stroud had some struggles, took some bad sacks, and he just did not look very good. 13 of 24 passing. Here's Stroud after the loss. Sun arise in the morning. You know, it's not the end of the world. But at the same time, you know, we all get paid a service, you know,

to do a job and you know we got to get those jobs done at a faster rate um and yeah i think you know as a team we got to just stay together everybody's and talk crazy and we suck we this we that and at the end of day we got to stay together and just mesh well i wouldn't say all that but i would say that cj stroud we were doing jaylon hertz underrated i do feel like he's become overrated no stop that really okay but i all right I think this might be a cousin of the same conversation we just had, though. Maybe. Because he's like, wow, his first two years in the league, he won playoff games. And that is obviously very impressive.

But then you dig in. It's like, okay, he beat Joe Flacco in his first one at home in a game where his defense gave him two pick sixes. And then he won a playoff game last year in a game where his defense turned over Justin Herbert and the Chargers four times. And his rookie season was very impressive that he didn't throw the ball away. He didn't turn the ball over. But like, I pull up the ringer and they're like, he's the same. seventh best quarterback in football or NFL.com has him as the ninth best quarterback in football. And then you watch some of these throws last night and you guys tell me this is not he's being sacked. There's not a ton of pressure. These are just like snap throw misses. I was watching that

game last night blown away by the misses that he was having and how easy they seemed to me. Like it was not like he was on his back getting sacked seven times in the game last night. Some those throws that he missed were just unacceptable coach. Yeah, but when you look at the season, though, they have been pressured about 40. He's been pressured about 40% of the time. Sure. Or he's under pressure 40% of time, which is, which is 10th most. He's been sacked six times, which is on the high end.

And there were a lot of questions about the offensive line going into the season. They traded away tonsil. He was sacked a tonne last year. Yes. So you're dealing with that as well. So you wonder if the misses are a function of a clock in his head. saying, okay, I better get rid of this maybe quicker than I have to

or he could also be pressing. With that kind of success so early and then the expectations that come with it, now similar to Jalen, what Jalen does a good job of, he doesn't let that bother him. And for young quarterbacks, learning to not press

can be just as important as anything else. So you thought he was pressing last night? Well, I don't think it's just last night. I think there's an element of that all through last season. And it's completely understandable because the expectations were so high after the incredible season he had as a rookie. What are you seeing? Yeah, I just see a quarterback who's dealing with some of the trauma

that coach is talking about with the lack of protection. But overall, I do, I feel like he's walking into a nightmare very much with the Cincinnati Bengals going through, a catastrophic injury that's going to reset this, reset this organization solely because they can't protect them. Right. He took, rally, he, you know, he was all. all over the place. But some of the hits he took,

I mean, he's been sacked, to your point, coach, six times in the last two games, right? I threw out stat not too long ago. He's been sacked over 90 times in his career right now. And so you talked about a young quarterback with a ton of potential. By the way, who doesn't have Tankdale, who doesn't have Joe Mixing right now,

who's lacking Christian Kirk and burial. So there's no weapons on the field for him to kind of lean on. He's shouldering all this by himself. And I watched that game last night. Sure, Taubolos blitzed the pain off the Texans helmet. I mean, every time he looked up, there was guys coming at him. But there's a level right now from a head coach's standpoint,

where he's at risk out there. Because of the throws and the lack of protection, he's a Joe Burrow injury away from this thing going upside down. If they can't find a way to protect them and try to evolve this office where it's not solely on him. Maybe it was a mistake to get rid of one of the best left tackles in football. Seems like a bold strategy. Yeah.

Like all the sacks last year was to get rid of our best offensive linemen. And some of the two for him, he's going to have to speed up at maybe some quicker throws, screens, things like that. Speaking of an injured quarterback, And there have been a lot through two games already. Jaden Daniels, Dan Quinn speaks on it and the injury when we might be able to see him coming back. Big news in Washington.

Jaden Daniels uncertain to play Sunday against the Raiders. The game, of course, on Fox. Dan Quinn said, you know, he'll share more tomorrow, we'll know more tomorrow, but he's truly day to day. And they're going to do everything in Jada Daniels' interest with the knee injury. It's a knee sprain is what they're publicly saying. Coach, they're one and one.

How much trouble you feel like they're in right now? Here's where I think they could be in trouble. The oldest team in the league, that's a problem. So as the season goes on, older teams tend to have a lot of injuries. Last season, they had incredible luck with injuries. They lost one guy for a total of nine games. This year, they've already lost two guys to IR. They've got three other guys with injuries that are going to miss games, plus Jaden Daniels,

and they're an older team. That's what worries me. Yeah, I think to your point, coach, it makes sense to kind of sit them. Marriott is more capable. I think if you're talking about what can the commanders do, it's about quick game, play action. and find it some type of run identity, right? One time your quarterback is your lead in Russia. That's a problem in my eyes, especially if you're not designed for that.

And the defense has to play a lot better. So they got to, I get why they're careful. And Marietta's Morton's being the Raiders, so I don't think it's a big deal. Well, that's the thing, right? You got the Raiders. It's week three. Jaden Daniels is the franchise. You're obviously going to be protective.

And to your point, they were lucky with health last year and, what, nine victories in one-score games? We talk about them as this team that, oh, my God, that was in the NFC championship game. They beat Tampa by three. in that playoff game. Right? That game goes differently. We're talking about them totally different. But obviously, they'll do everything they can to protect Jada Daniels as he is the franchise.

No 10 p.m. kickoff tonight, boys. Get to get a little sleep before tomorrow's show. Not so bad.