First Things First - Chiefs blow out Raiders, Cowboys beat Commanders, Blue Jays vs. Mariners, Eagles funk over?

Episode Date: October 20, 2025

(0:00) Chiefs beat Raiders, Giants collapse vs. Broncos, Eagles funk over? (27:00) Packers beat Cardinals, Cowboys get grade after beating Commanders (39:41) Are the Colts Super Bowl contenders?  ...(46:23) Eagles beat Vikings, Chiefs blowout win, Patriots on top of the AFC East? (01:08:58) Cowboys win or Commanders loss bigger story, 49ers beat Falcons, Are the Broncos legit? (01:21:57) Lions vs. Bucs, Mariners vs. Blue Jays Game 7 (01:27:26) Stock Up, Stock Down, What did Chiefs prove in shut-out win?  (01:49:32) Giants collapse or Broncos comeback, Did the Eagles move past their problems? (02:01:45) Caleb Williams concerns, How dangerous are the Cowboys?  (02:10:05) Will Baker Mayfield outplay Jared Goff?  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Live from New York. We probably need to dial that back. This is for you. We probably need to dial it back. This is for you. This is Wild's best down. You're going to break the table. It's just a little.
Starting point is 00:00:12 Your glass almost did full, but this KW. It's too much. Jalen, perfect passerating. That's not for me. Drake May. That's why you were doing it. Well.
Starting point is 00:00:23 Okay. Wow. First hour of first. It's a lot. The poor people on the podcast. Tears are bleeding. Today, classic one, the Chiefs crushed the Raiders. Are they officially back?
Starting point is 00:00:35 Not back like we don't score points but make it to the Super Bowl. I mean, really bad. Meanwhile, with a dominating victory over the Vikings that actually did. Are all the concerns about the Eagles, a thing of the past. And finally, Cowboys, this offense cooks. DAC has an MVP claim. Does Dallas? Yeah, doesn't he?
Starting point is 00:01:02 He's got the same, literally the same exact MVP claim, Burrow. Yeah, but that wasn't much of a claim. Well, that was fringes. 3-3-1. That wasn't one. It's fringes. He's on the fringes. Yeah, there you go.
Starting point is 00:01:15 Is he not in the conversation? He certainly, Brew, at least, deserves, we should have a conversation about, is he in the conversation? He's got to be in the guy. He's the whole team. You got to win more. Dak is playing great. Don't get me wrong.
Starting point is 00:01:26 The same thing as Burrow. some W. They were 500. I know and I didn't really seriously consider Barrow tied the Packers. Yeah, the Packers. Some people think are going to the Super Bowl. Four one and one. There you go. That one is courtesy of Dallas.
Starting point is 00:01:41 Nick Wright, Kevin Wilde, Chris Brasar, sorry. We're starting in Kansas City. Nick, you guaranteed an impressive victory. And somehow the Chiefs over delivered. Yeah. Ritchie Rice returned, caught two of Mahomes as three touchdowns as the Chiefs defense held the Raiders to three. Three first downs.
Starting point is 00:01:59 Three. Here's Mahomes on the entire team's success. I think there's been points kind of throughout these last few years, but I think this is probably the most consistent that we've seen, that we've been able to play and kind of stack games together. And obviously our record's still not where we want it to be, but you can see from offense, defense, we've had bright moments in this season,
Starting point is 00:02:19 and now it seems like we're coming together as a team. And that's what you want to do is be a team as the season goes on and keep getting better. And we're still early. We got everything out in front of us. How can we be better this next week? Going up against a good football team. Okay.
Starting point is 00:02:33 Now, this is different. This is... I mean, it's close. But this is different. It's close. This is how long it's teams. Well, because he's doing it from the beginning of the Giants game. The beginning of the game.
Starting point is 00:02:45 As opposed to at halftime, which is where things... Did they look good the first half of the Giants game? They didn't, but this is how just civilians talk about when a team, you know... Okay. Well, I'm just... I think our audience is sophisticated enough that we don't need to refer them as civilians. First and bars. Yeah, pretty good.
Starting point is 00:03:01 Second and turnover. Yeah. Mahomes, look at 14 touchdowns to one turnover. And really, that one turnover was also a touchdown. It was for the Jags, but still. Great point. Yeah. The yards.
Starting point is 00:03:14 All right. Are the Chiefs officially back? I mean, we scored 31, had 31st downs, and the Raiders ran 30 plus. They were taking knees on the plus side of the two-minute warning, which I've never seen. Mahomes in a baseball cap in the third quarter. And if you check your local favorite sports book, be it draft kings or whomever, you know what you'll see? Favorites in everything. Drop the first banner.
Starting point is 00:03:49 Are they really? Yeah. Favorites for the AFC West, for the AFC, for the Super Bowl, and have league. MVP and we didn't put it on there. We ran out of space. Favorite for Super Bowl MVP. Everything you have a favorite in, they're a favorite in. And, I mean, Wilde you did kind of
Starting point is 00:04:05 steal a little bit of my thunder, but who could have seen this coming? And the answer is, anyone that saw the tackle that turned the tide. Because pre- and post... Yeah, this is totally different. Pre and post, half time of the Giants game, that Giants game,
Starting point is 00:04:21 which might have been Mahomes' worst half of the season, the Two passes that were backwards, one of which led to, of course, the tackle that turned the tide. It's almost like it was a good play, though, when you look back on it. Exactly right. And what about the Chiefs as a whole, their team since the tackle that turned the tide? Okay, there is. I want to see the T.
Starting point is 00:04:42 Yeah, the tackle that turn the tide. Six T. They scored 28 or more in every single game, despite taking their foot off the gas in two of the games. The Ravens game, they stopped in the third quarter. but this game they start in third quarter. They lead the league in yards per game. What about Patrick since the tackle that turned the tide? That's pretty good, not first in those categories,
Starting point is 00:05:04 but he actually was, well, for the course of the season, we can show you he's first or second in almost everything. Yeah, he's got the second most yards, thanks to Justin Herbert's garbage time yesterday, the most total touchdowns, and shout out Bake Show, who still just has the one turnover, so he is first in touch. touchdown to turnover ratio.
Starting point is 00:05:26 And here's the other way they're officially back, Drew. Yeah, that's for the whole season. That's, that's, that's why you don't see the six T. That's pretty, yeah, that's pre. Sepp double C or Sextuptu T. Still pretty good. Um, well that P and B T before
Starting point is 00:05:40 T before a talk about and and post. It's, it's pre and post. Oh, 80 and. Exactly. Um, and here's the other thing, bro. They're back to be in the Chiefs with the chicanery. See, this is what I like. Fun stuff.
Starting point is 00:05:54 The vibe guy. And Brew as the actor on the show. I know the grade is typically reserved for the Cowboys, but let's play the Mahomes performance and see what Brew grades it as an actor. Here's the Chiefs. Well, just play it. Just love it. On fourth and a foot.
Starting point is 00:06:16 Try to draw him offside. Sorry. Mahomes says, coach, it doesn't work. He was faking it. There they got you. You would give it up on that one. I mean, bro, before you give a grade, that does deserve another banner. Pat, tricks, this always bleepin works.
Starting point is 00:06:40 Come on, pretty good. Who came up with it? Hubs. Hubs, that's pretty good. Pat tricks. That's pretty good. That is excellent. And that's the chiefs back to be, from the team that they were playing when they did the ring around the rosy.
Starting point is 00:06:54 That is now back. So go ahead. Now, look, R-rated stuff for sure. our rated movies he's in. But it was good. It was excellent. He totally fooled Tony Romo. Totally.
Starting point is 00:07:04 So that was great. But go ahead, Brew. I think they're officially back. Well, look, you don't beat up on Gino Smith and Ashton Genty like that if you're not back. Because while it's all I heard all offseason, all preseason was how Gino was all that. And Ashton Gently was all that. And Ashden Gently. And Ashton Genty was about to go Seekoine Barkley on the league.
Starting point is 00:07:30 He kind of is going Seekoine Barkley on the league. This year is Sequin. Right. No, they are definitely back. There is no question about it. And it's a bit bittersweet for me. Why? Well, everybody knows I am a Mahomes guy.
Starting point is 00:07:46 Oh, yeah. I mean, Sports Illustrated. I was the first to see, to really recognize the full scope of his greatness. According to Sports, I didn't say that. Sports Illustrated said, first person called him Jordaness. Yeah, that's the best ever, right? Greatest ever, that's Schwarzeneges? Go ahead.
Starting point is 00:08:07 I'm going to have to get the clip. I've never seen the clip. So that I wanted that. Also, I have been dying. You guys know this for the past two years. Yeah. For the light show. When you're the best quarterback ever, I want to see you put on a show.
Starting point is 00:08:25 Great. And so that's what he's doing. doing. The reason it's bittersweet, and we've been talking all year about how there's no great teams. Like who's great? Both conferences, they
Starting point is 00:08:38 look great right now. Who else looks great? Like, I want a little drama. Like, they're, I don't see any it's early. Yeah, but they're the Colts and they're Daniel Jones. I'm just saying, until they prove it, we're not going to really believe in them. Tampa looks
Starting point is 00:08:54 great. And Philly will see Philly this weekend prove some things. Philly we know can beat the Chiefs if they can they get. But the AFC, no one looks great except for a team.
Starting point is 00:09:06 Unless Lamar and Ravens find their mojo, there's, I mean, the bills don't look like. No one right now looks like they can challenge the Chiefs in the AFC. And so that's why it's bittersweet.
Starting point is 00:09:21 And here's the thing, Nick, it's early. Obviously it's only week, what, seven? you could even say in this sense, they're beyond back. Because right now, in total offense, they are top five. In total defense, they are top top five. What we've typically seen... Is one or the other. Yeah, early on in Mahomes' career, the offense was great.
Starting point is 00:09:45 The defense is okay, solid. Then it became the defense is great. The offense is solid, okay, situational. Now, they look great. on both sides of the ball. And I don't care that the Raiders aren't very good. To do what they did to on three first downs, no points, like that's impressive.
Starting point is 00:10:03 So they really look good on both sides of the ball. And that's why I'm worried Buffalo's defense is not good. Obviously the Ravens defense. Indias look good, but they just, they have no track. It's hard to believe in Indy. So we have to see. I agree. I don't want to be the cheese hater.
Starting point is 00:10:24 There's not a hate, is there? No, there's nothing to hate. I agree with you guys. I'm not going to be the Chiefs hater. I'm beloved in Kansas City. I think should we pump the brakes? A smidgen, perhaps. Just a smidgen.
Starting point is 00:10:40 Go ahead. That's it. I'm just saying that. Okay, you know what I'm not? I'm happy Richie Rice is back and he came back, you know. And looked great. Yes, full speed ahead. It was 10 targets, seven receptions,
Starting point is 00:10:51 42 receiving yards, two touchdowns. I thought that was very, very, very. good. I was worried that it was going to be a little rusty or it was going to be used, but it felt like let's make a point in this guy. No. And KW., you don't have to worry, just so you know, I want you to stay true to your heart always. You don't have to worry that if you were to question the chiefs, you would be like a man on an island. Because, and I would like a moment for this here, where we move on, is there any post-game meetings? after action reports, self-scouting from other shows and other media about the hyper-ventilating
Starting point is 00:11:32 after two weeks, about the seven-time, seven straight AFC championship games, five of the last six Super Bowls, won three of the last six Super Bowls and been to three straight. That team, having a tough couple weeks, and these, I picked nine different publications. I mean, to be fair, They didn't know the title of turn. Well, I mean, so because here is what was being said. This isn't a straw man. The slow, boring erosion of the Chiefs Dynasty less than a month ago on the ringer. Is the Kansas City Chiefs Dynasty already over less than a month ago on the sporting news?
Starting point is 00:12:13 The Chiefs are finally winners, but look even less like contenders from our friends at box sports. And by the way, it has to be fair. And by the way, that was post-tackle the turn of the tie. That's post-establishers? Yeah, that was after the Giants game. The Chief's historic collapse, how the NFL's gold standard fell apart from CBS. We can keep going, please. What is that one?
Starting point is 00:12:35 Talk sport. That's across the pond. Mahomes is in top five and could bring the Chief's dynasty down with him. That was three weeks ago. This one is the athletic. The Chargers, remember that was cute for a few days, have a plan to take over the AFC West. Sports Illustrated. Chargers put AMC West in a chokehold from the NFL.
Starting point is 00:12:57 That's the league. Chiefs in danger zone with impotent offense. And then a collection on ESPN that includes KC anything but dominant. If the Chiefs try to score 30, it would take eight games. The Ravens are a better football team. And Detroit is built to punish the Chiefs. To which I say, because every single one of those publications, all of those media folks today are having the same conversation as us,
Starting point is 00:13:22 is Chiefs are back. It's one of my favorite memes, KW. Chiefs, Dynasty over? This is, no. Tackle to turn the tide. That's what it is, buddy. I'm just, yeah, you're going to have to do it on that one. Broke this one out.
Starting point is 00:13:37 I'm just telling you. Isn't there a statue of limitations on this movie? I don't think that's what it is. Dynasty over? Oh, the tackle to turn the tide. It switched at all, but guys, it's so great. We're so bad. Some of those headlines are.
Starting point is 00:13:52 pretty crazy. And they're a month ago. They were Owen 2. Oh, God forbid. I mean, still. O and 2, God forbid. Any, I mean, how could you write them off? They were.
Starting point is 00:14:03 Mahomes is how old? 30. He's 30. He was 29 when they were Owen 2. I mean, we, we did not say. I didn't want to pick on you while. Did you say that? You said.
Starting point is 00:14:15 Oh, and 3 actually caught the Eagles. Thank God for the tackle the turn of the time. Speaking of, no one knew the tackle turn to time was going to happen. going to happen. Head up to Minnesota. Jalen Hurts was Mr. Perfect. First QVee this year to post a perfect passer rating. 326 yards, three touchdowns,
Starting point is 00:14:30 while his two top receivers diced up this vaunted Vikings defense. I was a little afraid of. Philly stops the funk. Here's Jalen. You don't have a game like that without the guys around you. You know, they, um, so I give a lot of credit to them. Give a lot of credit to the collective of everyone, um, hanging in there. And during the game, it's just a matter of trying to find ways to get it done.
Starting point is 00:14:58 It's not a time to hope. It's not a time to want or wish something can happen. It's the time to make it happen. And I think that was a collective thing by everybody. Hertz's deep passes this season. The first six games is 10 for 26. 60 yards per game. My goodness on deep passes.
Starting point is 00:15:15 Two touchdowns, no interceptions. Then yesterday goes five for five. Two 15. Hello. Three touchdowns. Against a team that wasn't a last one. allowing of it all. Only three all year. That was kind of off the board. I didn't even think that was going to be in the game plan,
Starting point is 00:15:27 but it was in a major way. What did Jalen Hertz prove, bro? Well, last week when we got when then in the locker room, at least one player was thinking, hey, we're on the verge of the supernatural funk, as we call it here. I was like, look, somebody, one of their leaders needs to step up. Nick Siriani, Jalen Hertz, Sequin Barkley, somebody has to step up. and calm this down. Jalen Hertz did it. That's what he did.
Starting point is 00:15:56 I don't know what he said to the locker room if he did it with his words, but with his actions, he did it. And what he proved is, yet again, he is a gamer. He is a gamer. Since the supernatural funk, every time he's been questioned,
Starting point is 00:16:12 AJ Brown questions the passing game, which is questioning him, he goes out and throws for $2.90 and a couple touchdowns against Pittsburgh. All right. The Super Bowl, they're not going to beat the Chiefs. Who's going to beat the Chiefs? He goes out four touchdown Super Bowl MVP.
Starting point is 00:16:29 And then yesterday, you know, the supernatural phone, we're on the verge of that. He goes out and throws for 300 yards. I know you showed it last week, Nick, for the first time in Eons. 28 games. Okay, 28, right, basically two years. And so whatever it takes, and what I liked about yesterday is the way he did it. We've wondered, we've said they're not throwing a lot of intermediate stuff with him. That's not been his strength.
Starting point is 00:16:55 But yesterday they had some intermediate stuff. Obviously the deep balls. He threw stuff inside the numbers, not just outside to A.J. Brown. Like, he was fantastic. And so to me, that's what he proved. Like, don't question, I'm not saying they're going to win the Super Bowl. I don't even have them going there. But don't question whether or not Jalen Hertz can win, whether or not he can throw the
Starting point is 00:17:19 football, whether or not he can run because he gets it done whatever they need him to do to get a W. So I thought, like I said, he proved he's a gamer. So this was the graphic that I showed last week that Eagles fans so mad at me because I'll be totally honest. I blame Gianna. Gianna picks which parts of my long statement she's going to caption and put out there. And she picked a very click big one there to drive engagement. I do not think, like, last week, my stance was he can't do this. I think what we were saying last week is it's very obvious what the Eagles need to do to pull out of this tailspin.
Starting point is 00:18:00 Have their Super Bowl MVP quarterback deliver. And you made the point with any of the other great quarterbacks. That would be the expectation is like, hey, he's going to have a great game. And the point I was making is it had been a long time since he had a great game purely through the air. Right. And then he had, in my opinion, if you remove the added, you know, points you get for it being a playoff gamer in the Super Bowl, if all games are graded equally, I think that's the best game he's ever played.
Starting point is 00:18:30 Well, certainly the best regular season. Yes. And I think he actually played better in this game than he played in either Super Bowl. It just, the stakes are so different that you can't really say that. Which bolsters, I had the exact same mindset as you brew. bolsters his big game quarterback rep. Because this wasn't a playoff game. I get that. But they were on the verge we thought of a spiral,
Starting point is 00:18:57 of a three-game losing streak, of there being real panic. And he started the game, KW, with a fourth and four to score a touchdown. And then ended the game that it shouldn't have been that close, given what it was weird that Minnesota was in it, given wins his mistakes and how well he was throwing it, but it was a six-point game, and it's third and nine, and he once again hits a bomb to ice the game. So I thought his fourth and four set the tim table, and then both AJ Brown, by the way, and then this third and nine ends the game. So I thought, I thought it was the best I've ever seen him play if you remove the stakes. And KW, he doesn't have to have
Starting point is 00:19:44 perfect pass rating moving forward. what they're going to need from him moving forward. From Sequin. Because of Sequin, because I don't think it, I think the Sequan we've gotten is the Saquan we're getting this year. I'll give it one more week. I mean, I'll give it one more. Yeah, I mean, I get that.
Starting point is 00:20:02 It's home against the Giants. I mean, I would imagine he's going to have a big game at some point. So he might have it next week. I'm not ready to, I'm not ready to close the door yet. Right. I guess my point is I am not saying he's not. going to have a single great game all year. Right.
Starting point is 00:20:19 But I think that level of performance is about what, it's what he averaged over the first seven, right? And it's about what I think he's going to average over the next seven, which is why this is what they are going to need from jail and credit to him, man. Well, and he stepped up again. They only threw it 23 times. Correct. It wasn't like, you know, he threw it 35 times.
Starting point is 00:20:40 So that's kind of what they've been doing. They just threw it differently. AJ Brown had 121. Devonty had 183. No, they were. Let's head to Denver, where depending on your POV, this was either a historic comeback or a historic collapse. 33 points in the fourth quarter, either scored or given up.
Starting point is 00:20:59 Broncos moved to 5 and 2, Giants, now 2 and 2 with Jackson Dart. Here's Dayball post game. Tough loss, put their heart and soul into it. So not a lot of talking that needs to be done when you lose a game like that. Everybody gave everything they had. Brew, what was the story here for you? The collapse or the comeback? It's not even close.
Starting point is 00:21:23 The collapse. Okay. Period. I mean, like, credit Denver for being resilient hanging in there, but this was about the cut. You don't come back from a 19 point deficit to start the fourth quarter or what was it 28? 18 with six minutes. Yeah. And win the game if the other team doesn't collapse.
Starting point is 00:21:43 And first of all, micro, the things that have. The interception by dart that at late the game, he's a rookie. He had made some really big plays. You can forgive this, but it's still a terrible play. All right. They can't win that game if he doesn't throw that. All right. So that was bad.
Starting point is 00:22:02 Then Nick, you throw into two missed extra points. Two missed extra points. Like one of them you tie the game, both of them, which you usually count on, you win that game. And then with 33 seconds left, I think we have the video. When they rush eight, they rush three guys, all right, and give Bow Nicks all the time in the world. You get that your defensive backfield isn't that strong, so you got eight guys back. But you still, there's like five giants around him. He still is able to complete that pass when you got eight guys in the backfield?
Starting point is 00:22:42 And by the way, it's such bad defense. He was able to complete a pass not to the guy he was throwing it to. Right. I think he's throwing it to the other guy. Right. And he completed it. I mean, I'm sorry. That is ridiculous.
Starting point is 00:22:56 Macro, this could cost Brian Dable to job. We'll see how they respond. But have you looked at their schedule coming up? Let's see the schedule. They have Philly I know next. Oh. So they got Philly, San Francisco, which obviously playing well. Chicago.
Starting point is 00:23:12 Green Bay, Detroit, the Patriots, Washington, I mean, other than Knicks Raiders at the bottom of the schedule, there's no easy games. Yeah. Like, how many of those games are they going to win? We'll see they have to bounce back mentally from this. Let me just look at this real quick. They will not be favored in a game through the by week
Starting point is 00:23:36 because they'll never be favored on the road and their home games are San Francisco, Green Bank. They're frisky, though, man. So they are. No, they are. They are frisky. Every game is a big win.
Starting point is 00:23:47 No, listen. But that's a heck of a scale. We'll talk more about the Broncos later for credit or otherwise. That is an unforgivable loss. And I do put the lion's share of that on the head coach. Because the play where dart through the pick, I just want to set the table. You are up 10.
Starting point is 00:24:16 There is five minutes on the dot base or just when it snapped five minutes left. And the most important part of that graphic, if we show it again, is there is only one hash mark beneath the Broncos logo. They've already used their, they're using their timeouts on this drive. Which means if you simply run the ball there and they use their final timeout, which they will, they are now in an onside kick game. You're up 10 punting and the other team is no timeout left, which means your worst case scenario realistically is they drive down and score and then have to kick an onside kick.
Starting point is 00:24:57 You don't lose that game. Once you're in an onside kick game, you're 98% to win it. The only way you're not in an onside kick game is by calling a pass play with your rookie quarterback and having that happen. You'd be better off taking knees. So that's the first thing that, to me, I put on dable. Then, when it has flipped because of that,
Starting point is 00:25:20 and now you do need a first down to ice the game, you have two give up runs and then bomb it downfield when again a first down wins it. And then despite all of that, you actually have the lead. You take a two-point lead late, and here's the deal. in most circumstances up to 35 seconds left do we want to go for two to make it
Starting point is 00:25:46 so a field goal can't they have to score a touchdown normally you would say no kick the extra point you know preserve overtime but when you are in the midst if that game went to overtime they were going to lose they were in the midst of a collapse and your kicker is a guy I've never
Starting point is 00:26:03 heard of wearing number 99 who's already missed an extra point you in real time Parkins is going to have to be my witness on this. I text him. They have to go for two if they score. Like, that's not Monday morning quarterbacking. I'm not going to kill Dart for a rookie quarterback making rookie mistakes.
Starting point is 00:26:20 I am going to be upset with the head coach who holds his quarterbacks to such a high standard. And is so beside himself that Russell Wilson might have to throw a pass for him that he's yelling at the team doctor for not recognizing my rookie quarterback could make a mistake. We have the game won. That's an awful loss, and that is, yes, I did have the Giants money. We got to get to the Cowboys grade, Bruy. Yeah. Oh, yeah. We got a big show coming up.
Starting point is 00:26:45 Cowboys put 44 on the scoreboard, but what did Brew put on the report card? Again, it is not obscene. It's just a grade. That's next on FS1 in the Fox Sports Channel on Sirius XM. You can just be the question mark, guys. There's need to be pixeling. Hey, check out our podcast, the Drake May of podcast. A lot of people are saying might not be the best, but way closer than you think.
Starting point is 00:27:06 Also the YouTube channel. Welcome back to the show. Greg Jennings is here. Super Bowl champion. Dak Prescott Dealing, another three touchdown game. CD caught one in his return, Javante Williams, who Brew always admired privately. Yeah, real talk. Y'all think I'm joking.
Starting point is 00:27:23 Right now, second in the league in rushing and third in the league in rushing are Javante and Rico Dowellon. You got two Bruce Staples. He added 116 found the end zone on the ground. Here's George and CD. Take a listen. Having him back and Tert and a few other guys, it make the offense explosive. So kind of like how he said, you know, you got to be true to the offense.
Starting point is 00:27:44 And when you got all of us out there, you can't guard all of us. This one the best one I've been on, and I've been on some great ones. It's just the way that we can move around these pieces and these players and everybody know everywhere to go. We can line up faster than any. It's tough. It's tough. I like that chemistry of the wide receivers, Brewers. report cards so far.
Starting point is 00:28:06 We got a B, C, F, two A's. But then almost a failing grade last week against the Panthers. What is your grade this week for the Cowboys? Well, there are different types of teachers. Some are just, you know, we all have a bunch of fun
Starting point is 00:28:22 and, you know, everything is great. I'm a hard-nosed teacher. Yeah, everybody knows that. So when I have to come down on you, if you're not doing the work, I come down on you, I might even throw out an insult here or there, like call you a tomato can.
Starting point is 00:28:36 But it makes you better in the end. It makes, yes. Tough love. I believe in it. And apparently so do the Cowboys. They're exhibit A for the benefit of tough love. Look, Dak, fourth straight game,
Starting point is 00:28:49 I don't know if y'all know this, through at least three touchdowns with no interceptions. Four straight games of that. But one of those games got him a D. Exactly. But the team, the team. The team. He's part of a team.
Starting point is 00:29:01 He's not an individual. Sorry. All right. Secondly, his two receivers, we just saw CD and George Pickens. That is an awesome duo. Pickens, man, that dude is sweet. And so he's obviously CD. They almost had 200 yards receiving.
Starting point is 00:29:14 You mentioned Giovante runs for over 100 yards. The defense actually held the commanders to 20 points because 22, they gave up the safety. So the defense, I thought, I'm not saying it's murderers' role of defenders, but it definitely showed big time improvement. So Cowboys, way to take, you know, your medicine last week when I gave you a D and come back and get an A. Excellent work by the Cowboys, Outstanding. No singers for the A?
Starting point is 00:29:48 Just. Not just time. It's still early in the school year. Yeah. Can I be a substitute? Adjunct professor. There we go. I'll be that.
Starting point is 00:29:58 Teachers assistant. Whatever he just said. See, I know. I'm definitely not to put a series. Period. And I like to grade on the curve sometimes. Oh, you're on. You're giving a grade out.
Starting point is 00:30:09 That's what he asked if you can be in? That's what he asked. Well, you can just make comments. Go ahead. Go ahead. And I look at the Cowboys and I'm like, you know what? This is a team that I have to start grading on the curve. I don't look at their defense.
Starting point is 00:30:24 I'm going to grade them based on their offense. What? Oh, yeah. You're not even bringing defense into consideration? I'm not with the cowboys. obviously if they get to the playoffs, they're going to have to play some sort of good defense. But what's going to allow them the opportunity to win?
Starting point is 00:30:37 The offense. The offense. This is the Bengals with me in a fight corollary thing. You know what I mean? And so when I look at this offense, I watch that interview with C.D. and George and the chemistry and the appreciation for one another. And I see it translating to what they're able to do offensively.
Starting point is 00:30:55 The running game is going. Dak, you mentioned playing the way he's playing. like this is why this team is being talked about. This is why they're getting the A from you. It's not because of the defense. This is what's going to allow this team to remain competitive week in and week out. They got to score points. Those two have to be a driving force and they got to have some semblance of a running game.
Starting point is 00:31:18 They have all of that. Dak is playing great ball. I give them a as well. All right. Well, I'll give them an A too if we're just doing, if we're just doing great. That was, that was, oh, that was just, well, I didn't, I wasn't prepared to give them a grade. I'm sorry. I will show the Cowboys offense statistics.
Starting point is 00:31:36 Who points third, yards first. 390 a game. Yeah. It's just nuts. Wonders who's two and one. Okay. Well, Colts is, I stuck the Colts into the A lot. Yards per game 268.
Starting point is 00:31:51 16 passing touchdown. And now that CD is back, we thought Richie Rice is going to make a big impact. Now that CD and George Pickens are on the field. together, they're out here cooking. I think the big question is outside of the grade, because I think we're all going to give the offense an A is like, are you ready to start believing in the seat? I thought the defense was a little showed a pulse.
Starting point is 00:32:10 Oh, yeah, I don't know about that. They showed. Well, I think that, I think you can, I think you can, you know, be DOA and have toe tag on and Marcus Marriota comes into the game. And the doctor's like, I think we can save them. And so like, I do think that I'm not sure how much of that is the Cowboys. having a pulse defensively. But I, my feeling on them is unmoved, but complimentary.
Starting point is 00:32:36 The compliment is, DAC is playing the best ball of his life. And his numbers are, again, if record wasn't a factor, and you looked at his numbers, which I think we can show you, his numbers are MVP caliber. He would be. And so, but, and I think about the team, they can beat anyone. there is not a team when you have that level of offense. Correct. In any given week, you can beat anyone.
Starting point is 00:33:04 I think it's evidenced by the Packer game. I know they didn't win that game, but they, close. And they can lose to anyone because the defense at any given week is liable to let Bryce Young score 30. Right. And so it doesn't, no, don't worry about the commanders right now. We'll get to the commander's stuff later. But I, the, I, I do not.
Starting point is 00:33:28 think the Cowboys are anything close to a viable contender, particularly in an NFC, where right now the Lions are in seventh place. Like, that's how stacked the NFC is record-wise right now. But I do think seeing them on your schedule sucks. Yeah. Because they can score 40 as easily as any team in the league. And I think they are proving that consistently. And I have to, I have to be fair to guys when I,
Starting point is 00:33:58 been very skeptical or critical of them. I have never been a George Pickens guy. I've been on the record repeatedly saying, I don't think players like that contribute to winning, and I thought the antics were a net negative. He's been awesome. And he's had to, he's been the most productive he's been while being the least pain in the butt that he's been throughout his career.
Starting point is 00:34:20 So for the first seven games, that was a great trade for Dallas. I still feel like had they not traded away Micah Parsons, we'd be talking about this team as a real contender. But in the meantime, that offense is as good as any offense in full. All right, let's check in on former cowboy Michael Parsons. He had one of the most productive games of his career. Three sacks, five QB hits. Packers squeaked past the consistently not good enough Cardinals.
Starting point is 00:34:44 Yeah, they just keep losing these heartbreakings. They're the Cardinals. Some people are going to the Super Bowl not that long ago. Brew, did this game make you more confident in the Packers? More confident. more confident? Okay, here we go. I'm not more confident.
Starting point is 00:35:04 I'm less confident. I'm less confident. What was that? I'm less confident in my package. Okay. This is the fourth, look, I'll take the win. They are stacking wins, all right? That matters.
Starting point is 00:35:18 Four one and one. They lead their division, which we know is a tough division. But this is the fourth straight week where I don't think they've, look great. They look great the first two weeks of the season, Green Bay, Washington. They haven't really looked that good since then. Now, it's early, and I have full faith that they will, they can get to a point where they look great because the defense, Michael was great yesterday, three sacks, they had six sacks total, and Jordan Love, J-Lo was okay. I mean, he wasn't, you know, he didn't do anything spectacular. I love this. On fourth and two,
Starting point is 00:35:56 with about two and a half minutes left. Like I actually, I think that's a gutsy throw because a lot of times you might just go for a little four or five yard pass. That's a 15-yard pass on the sidelines. Guys got to put his feet in, feet down. So I was impressed by that. But, you know, I want to see more from J-Lo. Greg and I were talking earlier.
Starting point is 00:36:19 Whenever Jaden Reed gets back, Christian Watson comes back, that's bolstering the receiving court. I was impressed with Josh Jacobs hard running. Didn't get a lot of yards per attempt, but ran the ball hard, scored some touchdown. So I still feel very good about them because it's early, but they haven't played great in a month.
Starting point is 00:36:38 Just real quick, and I'll give it to Greg. I literally wrote down. The fourth down worked, so I'm sure Brew loved it. Like the fourth down, like the fourth down. No, but I mean. No, the play. The play, I thought just his throat. Jordan loves play on it was excellent.
Starting point is 00:36:52 I do feel like if that doesn't work, you're very mad at Matt LaFleur. I happen to think that is a spot. Way more coaches should go for it because down three with two and a half minutes left, if you kick a field goal, what you're saying is we just hope to get to overtime. As opposed to going for it, you can drain more clock like they did and take the lead.
Starting point is 00:37:13 Is that the play where J-Lo said? Yes. They pulled out the field goal unit. They called timeout and they went for it. So I thought that was great. And listen, Micah, I think Micah's been better than his sack numbers up to this game. His pressure numbers are crazy.
Starting point is 00:37:31 He was the best player on the field in this game by a wide margin. And it was pretty remarkable to me that Brissette had as productive of the game as he did statistically, given what Michael was doing. But I'm kind of with Brue, Greg, in that I have been pretty nonplussed by the offense. And because of that, I'm not more competent in the Packers. Yes, I'm with you guys. Everything offensively looks hard earned. It looks like it's just challenging, and they're having to grind out points and even just to move the ball at times.
Starting point is 00:38:07 And to your point, we talked about this. I truly believe it has a lot to do with the fact that Jaden Reed is not in this offense, and he's led this offense and receiving yards the last two years. And I think we overlooked that, but we highlighted with other teams like the Chiefs. or like you mentioned earlier with CD Lamb, with the Cowboys. It's important when you have that type of chemistry with the quarterback, which Jaden has with Jordan. And the dynamic changes offensively.
Starting point is 00:38:38 I think we oversight that because we have an expectation of Jordan love to be better. But defensively is where I'm starting to scratch my head a little bit. Because offensively, I don't mind the struggles. defensively, it's when you add a player like Micah and the way they came out to start the season in the first couple weeks, it was like, I don't know if they're going to give up a lot of points at all for the course of the season.
Starting point is 00:39:05 Now it's not only are they giving up points, but they can't get off the field. So you're just compounding issues and if this continues to happen, your offense stalls at times. No, that's fair. You're going to, I'm confident, because they know how to win and they have been able to win.
Starting point is 00:39:24 Am I more confident? I'm not more confident. But when Jaden gets back, which he will later in the season. The defense should be more dominant than Mike was great, but letting the Cardinals with Jacoby. They were moving the ball. That's what's making my 300. Making me scratch my head.
Starting point is 00:39:39 They're a lot of scary team. Colts cruising. Against what used to be an excellent charges, defense 3824, India is 6 and 1. Here's Daniel Jones talking about everybody not named Greg. Thanks, take a listen. Not that you care, but those of us on the outside, I think, are a little surprised just how well this team is playing to start the season. What do we need to know about this group that maybe we didn't know going into the year?
Starting point is 00:40:06 I mean, I don't know. It sounds like y'all didn't know much, but we're just going to keep going, keep working, and we have a lot of confidence. I think we got a lot of good players, guys who work hard and do the right things. It's time for a special edition of Hold on what? Most points per drive this century, the 07 Patriots were unstoppable, basically undefeated. The 18 Chiefs also, they were defeated, but they were Super Bowl champions and excellent. They were actually not Super Bowl champions.
Starting point is 00:40:36 They lost to the Patriots and the AFC title game. Sorry, they lost to the Patriots to the AFC championship. But yes. And 3.4.6, that's a lot. It's not close. Yeah, I understand it looks like it's close because it's decimals. That is a huge difference. They're more than 10% bad.
Starting point is 00:40:51 better than the 07 pads who were the greatest offense of all time. Incredible. Yeah. Greg, you called it. Man, this is, look, this team has been impressive. And obviously, I think the question is, are they legit Super Bowl contenders? Yes, they are. And it's, I know I'm, I've always been a Daniel Jones guy.
Starting point is 00:41:14 But this is not just about Daniel Jones. They just are a really good team. Top to bottom, coaching staff, including. they are a well-constructed team. And when you watch them play, you understand what makes them so good. They know who they are, and they can beat you in a multitude of ways offensively.
Starting point is 00:41:34 They're going to run the ball. They have the best running back right now in the game, and Jonathan Taylor. Obviously, they have receivers. They have weapons. You've got a young tight-in playing at rookie that is looking like one of the best rookie if Mecca Buka didn't get hurt, maybe.
Starting point is 00:41:49 rookie of the year right now. And you have weapons and Daniel Jones getting protection. And I'm just talking about the offense because that's seemingly what has been able, what's continuously in the last few years held this team back. And he's playing the position that they have not been able to identify the player to insert to get them to this performance, this level of play. And he's been great. He's been absolutely awesome.
Starting point is 00:42:16 This team is definitely a Super Bowl contending team right now as it's fans. We'll see how the season continues to progress. But right now, yeah, you got to give them credit. No, look, to your point, I think there are eight and seven with Anthony Richardson starting, and we know he was not playing the position very well. And you looked at the roster that was like, if they just have decent quarterback play, they could be good. And obviously Jones is giving them more than that. The offense is baffling to me. Jonathan Taylor, we know how good he is. And show his numbers while Bruce talking. The Taylor numbers have been, he's been in great.
Starting point is 00:42:51 Average basically 100 yards a game, only one close to that. 10 rushing touchdowns. The receivers, you're right, the tight end is playing lights out. Michael Pittman, you know, obviously they got some good receivers, but not huge names. For them to be putting up the numbers. Yeah, a bunch of good. Exactly. But for them to be putting up the numbers they are with Daniel Jones,
Starting point is 00:43:15 who is obviously playing well, but kind of has come out. of nowhere, so to speak. And it's not like you've thrown 15 touchdowns, you know? So their office, the way they're scoring so many points is just incredible. Look, right now, and I said this earlier, Greg, right now it looks like the chiefs are on a level that nobody else in the AFC is on. As far as considering everybody but the chiefs, like, I think the coach are right there with anybody.
Starting point is 00:43:44 So I would say, right, I would not pick them to beat the chiefs in the playoff game. But when I compare them to the Patriots, to the Bills, to if the Ravens ever, you know, like, I see them being right there with anybody else. Greg, can I pitch you on something that you can pitch to Nick better than I can? Defensive coordinator for the Colts, Luanna Maru. Annamo. Aniromo, excuse me, former Bengals, D.C. who stymied Patrick Mahomes. So knowing this, would you feel confident in a Colts Chiefs matchup? You already know we talked on camera about this.
Starting point is 00:44:21 All right. We talked on camera about this. That is, I will say, I don't love that Luana Rumo is their D coordinator. However, whatever nerves that are caused in me thinking about that in the playoffs are settled by thinking of the dream scenario of it, the path to the fourth straight Super Bowl going through Daniel Jim. I don't know. Hold on. Can I go just real quick, please? This team every week reminds me more and more of last year's Vikings.
Starting point is 00:44:56 In place of Justin Jefferson is Jonathan Taylor, in place of Sam Darnold, is Daniel Jones, in place of Kevin O'Connell, is Shane Steichen. What they don't have to deal with is a Detroit in their own division, preventing them from potentially being the one seat. Right. And in the Mahomes era, this is a weird nothing stat, but it is the truth. the Chiefs have been the one seed every other year. 18, 20, 22, and 24 is when they've been the one seed.
Starting point is 00:45:25 The years they haven't, Baltimore got it twice, and then a weird year, the Titans got it once. Out of the AFC South, again, with a quarterback you didn't really believe in in Tannahill. I just, I don't look at them as, I do not think they can beat Kansas City in a AFC championship game. I also think that they could be picked off in their first playoff game. With that said,
Starting point is 00:45:51 they're... So can anybody else, but continue. Well, yeah, let me rephrase it. To me, they are more likely be picked off in their first playoff game than Buffalo, even though they have been better than Buffalo this year. Just because I just think there is
Starting point is 00:46:04 a structural advantage to how good your quarterback is and how often he's been there. So I just don't look at them as true contenders. Are we headed towards a super? Super Bowl rematch, Eagles Chiefs, or maybe, Eagles Colts would be totally different. Yeah, that's nice. Live from New York, it's the show that spent four minutes talking about week 12 Colts in Kansas City. Flex alert.
Starting point is 00:46:31 Daniel Jones. Granted, I'm winning with Mack Jones, 4-1, with the 49ers. But Daniel Jones, the stock in Daniel. If you got into Daniel Jones early, whoo. I got to tell you, the Daniel Jones, Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield, all that stuff. You know who it's Mac Jones a little bit? You know who it's really good for?
Starting point is 00:46:55 Zach Wilson. Not the Prince. You know what? The Prince. The Prince is going to another team. The Prince was wrong. I was thinking the other day, is Zach Wilson going to make a run? No.
Starting point is 00:47:07 Because we've seen the Jets, things go arrive. But the trajectory for Zach Wilson close. to Josh Rosen than these other ones. It is, it is, but I'm just saying, like all these jets didn't. We used to do jet signature segments. Robert Salon looking great again. Amazing. I mean, come on.
Starting point is 00:47:24 Second hour, first thing for us today. Hold your horses. Are the Cowboys real threats in the NFC with that offense? Meanwhile, World Series birth on the line. George Kirby and the Mariners trying to stop the Blue Jays. Coverage at 7 on Fox and FS1. We'll make our predictions. And if whoever loses has to buy a buy your lunch matchup,
Starting point is 00:47:43 Okay. Right? What do you want? Is that all of us? Yes, if the Mariners win, fish for everybody. Speaking of up, we reached the playing with their food territory for the Chiefs. No look passes, fake calls at the line, Raiders get shut down and shut out. Here's for She Rice.
Starting point is 00:48:02 Take a listen. I think it's a glimpse of what's possible in what's to come. This is our first game being able to play with each other. Like you said, coach said, I had a minimum amount of play. So maybe with more plays, more touchdowns, not even just for me, but from everybody else, from, you know, just being on the field consistently. What did the Chiefs prove in their blowout W? A lot, but I'm going to focus on two things.
Starting point is 00:48:27 Oh, good. And one of them, I told Brew a half hour ago. Yeah. I'm going to show him a stat that is going to change how he views something entirely. Wow. Because the first thing, for the rest of your life, he said. Oh my goodness. For the rest of your life.
Starting point is 00:48:43 of Brew's life, he will look askance at every pro football focus grade. Because one of the things they proved is, our friends at pro football focus, sorry, cannot be trusted to grade quarterbacks. They're having a rough goal of it. Here is the grade from yesterday's game. I've included the stats and then Gino's passing grade, a 67, versus Mahomes. passing grade of a 62. The brilliant data scientists at pro football focus
Starting point is 00:49:20 who have such a monopoly on our numbers matter that in the marquee game of the week Sunday night football, when guys are telling us what high school they went to, we see where they rank in the PFF grading system, said throwing the football yesterday, Gino Smith outperformed Patrick Mahomes. So the first thing they proved is we might need to, Listen, I'm not in charge and I love Chris Collinsworth.
Starting point is 00:49:45 If I were him, I would call an all-hands meeting and say, fellas, we've got to shut everything down and rework the elbow. Shut it down. It's like, shut it all down until we could figure out a grading system that doesn't say the guy on the left outperform the guy on the right. Can you, I know you got a lot to say, but can you explain it like what? No. What is the explanation for this?
Starting point is 00:50:08 It is, the explanation is it's inexplicable. Yeah. I mean, the explanation is it's inexplicable. So that's the first thing they proved. That is inexplicable. The second thing they proved is more near and dear to my heart. Just tackle the turn, the tide changed everything. Yeah, tackle turn and tide.
Starting point is 00:50:24 And everybody knows it. And Greg can be as annoyed as he wants. Because last time I saw Greg, he was sitting next to me saying how the lions were going to, chiefs were going to be able to deal with the lions. And since then, all they've done has played two more games, P, T, T, T, T, T, T, T, and showed everyone. That, is that too many T's? Oh, I think it was six. That was six.
Starting point is 00:50:44 Um, thank you. I mean, how, Mahomes, pass her rating over his last 32 games. Once in 28, above 1, 24, three out of four since then. Uh, Mahomes, three touchdown games. We had to lower it from four touchdown games because he sat the fourth quarter. Four out of 28 versus three out of four. Uh, the chief scoring 30 plus. Three out of 28 versus three out of four.
Starting point is 00:51:09 And of course, Kansas City and it's, last four games, it's been the only team in the league to score 28 every week and the only team in the league are the most yards per game. This is all post-tackle-the-turned-tide. So what they proved was PFF can't be trusted, Greg, and tackle the turn of the tide probably made them the best team in the league again. Yeah, it's been impressive to watch the Chiefs. Look, man, I'll say when I'm wrong, I have no problem. I was right Monday night when they faced the Jags and picking the Jags. And then I I was wrong against the Detroit Lions. They beat them.
Starting point is 00:51:45 What I see in this Chief's team is, I mean, clearly they're scary. Like, they're scary, but. You wanted to say something about Rishie Rice? I did, but that's something separate. But this team, defensively and offensively, I'm trying to remember a time when I've seen them play as locked in and complimentary. Like, it's either one has been really good. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:52:09 and the other has been lagging behind, or literally the other has been really good or lagging behind? I think the first year without Tyreek was the closest. The first year without Tyreek when Mahomes won MVP and the defense was, that was up to that point the best defense they'd had. So that's all year. Their top five both in total defense and total.
Starting point is 00:52:31 Well, they've been so good post-tackle to Turn the Tide that all your stats are up. Oh, that's great. It makes sense. It includes before tackle a turn of Trial Trial Trial Trial. Yeah, yeah. So for me, when I look at this team, obviously, I mean, they're playing the best right now in the game. And clearly, they're a champ for a reason.
Starting point is 00:52:49 Well, not the recent champs. But the AFC champs. Spiritually. The AFC champs for the reason. And they're showing, man, it's going to be hard for anybody else to dethrone us as AFC champs right now. I'm still shaken by that PFF. I'm a big PFF. I know he is.
Starting point is 00:53:12 I told you. Drew loved siding BFF like for offensive. Maybe they're good at other stuff, man. And I like them. I think they're good at like offensive linemen that you're not paying attention to. There's the problem. I look at their offensive line rankings and read all that quite a bit. Yeah, because we're like, they must know.
Starting point is 00:53:28 But now I'm looking at everything. The best thing for them to do is just be like, this was wrong. It was just, it was clearly. But go ahead. I haven't felt this way since Tyson lost. the buster dones. It's shocked enough. The light show is back.
Starting point is 00:53:45 The light show is back. And Nick showed a lot of the stats. But Mahomes, you'll like this. Last three games, each game over 70% completion. There you go. Last four games, each time over 250 plus yards. And most of them
Starting point is 00:54:00 have been well over 250 yards. But the receipt, like, it's funny because I think a few weeks ago, we were like, Just give them a decent receiving core when guys get back. The receiving core looks great. And I know they don't have a CD Lamb or Jamar Chas or somebody like that. But it looks great.
Starting point is 00:54:19 It looks like what could be better because you got the deep threats and worthy and Tyquine. I think that was good for Tyquine that Xavier was out because it allowed him to kind of get established. Then you got the underneath guys. Look how much more has opened up for Kelsey when you got Xavier back. and Hollywood and Juju, who I know is going to see less time, but still. And then Rishi is great in yards after the catch. So you have every, like, form of receiver you would need
Starting point is 00:54:51 and then the best quarterback in the league throwing it to them. So, yeah, look, the light show is back. It's going to be interesting to watch them over just the next couple of weeks, because I want to see if this does just continue unabated or do they still go through some ups and downs? Just real quick. the short version of what you thought of how they used Rishi yesterday. I just thought for a guy who obviously what he had going on off the field and to miss those six games.
Starting point is 00:55:20 And on the 15 at the end of last year. Correct. The injury. Like with the way that they embraced him and brought him back and was so intentional to make him feel a part of included and inclusive. Like, dude, we need you. We need you to be who you were when you were healthy. Like, it speaks volumes to that organization, to Andy Reed, to Patrick Mahomes, and just their leadership to have a guy go through what all he's been going through and to come out there and really hang their hat on, this is our guy. This is a guy that's going to take us over the hump.
Starting point is 00:55:56 It's just impressive for them to put that amount of value in what he can provide them offensively. And he's going to deliver. I tell you that. It's not the bombshell of the PFF grading system. but that's the first shutout win of Andy Reed's career. It's the first time they've shut out. And it's the first time the Chiefs in the regular season. And it's the first time the Chiefs have shut out the opponent in the regular season since 2011 against the Raiders.
Starting point is 00:56:21 It's also the eighth time Mahomes has ever won a game by 28 or more. Five of those eight against the Raiders. Really? He doesn't like the Raiders. Sorry. Five of the eight against the Raiders. And I thought they had found a blueprint. Yeah, that's true.
Starting point is 00:56:36 Head up to Minnesota. Minnesota's defense has played five quarterbacks. No one threw for more than 210 yards or two TDs. Jalen Hertz, 326 yards, three touchdowns, Eagles 5 and 2. Here's a scene from the locker room. Take a listen. As you go throughout the season, the questions of identity come up in the beginning of the season. Everyone wants to know what the team is.
Starting point is 00:56:58 How do they do it? How do they win? And as the season goes on, no one cares about identity. They just care about winning games. And so we're still trying to build. We're still trying to figure things out, ultimately. When we're in a position to play for the things that we desire to in this organization, it'll be about finding ways to win.
Starting point is 00:57:13 No one will care how it looks. I think that's an insightful quote there. Yesterday's identity was aerial attack. A.J. Brown, four catches for 121, two touchdown. Savante, nine catches, 183 yards, one touchdown. What did Jalen Hertz prove to you, bro? Well, I mean, look, the dude's a gamer. and I think the question is do they do they lean more into this you know than then they've been using him before
Starting point is 00:57:41 and I'm just I'm just reading the graph I'm sorry agree that up but I'm going to say no in that in that the two losses they just had he averaged 35 yards or 35 passes a game and coach is big on that stat yeah When he throws over 30 times, they tend to lose or 500 or whatever. He only threw it 23 times yesterday. To me, it's how he throws it. And Nick, you were showing graphics early in the season. I think we have the graphic from their first game against the Cowboys. It's their past chart.
Starting point is 00:58:20 You were showing the past charts. So this is from the first game against Dallas. Now, he ran for two touchdowns and had it. But look at that, right? It's all around. Yeah, one bomb and then everything else right around the line of screen. Look at yesterday's past chart. Obviously you had the five deep balls, but the more it's more intermediate stuff,
Starting point is 00:58:39 is more spread out. It's some stuff in the middle of the field, not just on the outside of the numbers, but inside. So I just think if you vary it with him, that's what I want to see do. And I do have to say this, because Nick, you've pointed out without Saquine rushing for a lot of yards, they're going to have to throw it more. Jalen is not running as much either. His first four games this year, he had three games over 40 yards, two of them over 60 yards rushing. I think he had four rushing touchdowns.
Starting point is 00:59:09 The last three games, he's had six rushing yards total. And one touchdowns rushing probably was a tush push or something like that. But I said that Cowboys game, when we were up here the next day, I said the hits he took. I thought he took some shots. And I was like, I don't think he's going to be able to run like this throughout the season. And that was probably a big part of the supernatural funk. He had the knee. He was bothering him.
Starting point is 00:59:36 And I don't think he can run like he used. I'm not saying that as an insult, but I think he takes some shots. And he's not Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen or somebody like that. And so I actually think him not being able to run is also hurting their running game. Not just in yards, but I think not the defense is not worrying about him running. Keeping it on RPA. Right. They are not doing this as me in RPO, so I think that has made it tougher on Sequin as well. Again, I don't want him throwing 35 times a game, but that is something they're going to have to figure out how they can be as effective without him running to football as much.
Starting point is 01:00:17 Yes, they're going to have to lean more into their passing game. And they have to because of what they're not getting out of their running game this year. Last year, it would have been foolish for us to say, yes, throw the ball more. when you're running out of such a high clip and you're averaging the amount of yards. You show Seclan's numbers this year last year. But to your point, when you look at that pass chart, it's not just that you have to pass the ball more
Starting point is 01:00:42 because a lot of people, if you watch the game, you say, well, just like the running game can open up the passing game, the passing game can open up the running game. The passing game, if you press the ball down the field, it opens up more of your passing game as well. because now you have everything underneath because defensive backs are so mindful now of, shoot, I can't let Devante Smith get past me. I can't let A.J. Brown get past me.
Starting point is 01:01:10 And now everything underneath, the intermediates, the slants, the hitches, the screen, plasters, everything becomes available to you. And so then you can operate out of efficient clip like Jalen Hurts did yesterday against the Minnesota Vikings. It still didn't really help their running game. but eventually the hope is that it will. Last year, it was a completely different team, built completely different. You didn't have the issues up front offensive line-wise. You have some of those issues.
Starting point is 01:01:40 You got to lean on everyone. And they have some great skill guys, clearly, that they can lean heavily upon. Do you think, here's my galaxy brain theory. I view the whole NFL season as sort of an ecosystem and things affect others. things. I thought the Jamar Chase game was just a big sign if I was Petula would be like, man, I'm just going to feed my guys. I'm just going to feed my superstar wide receivers, even though there was a lot of stats, and again, we're not too deep into the game plan. There's a lot of stats that you should run on the Vikings, do not throw on the Vikings.
Starting point is 01:02:16 Do you buy the fact that like they could just lean on this is not necessarily true about Jayland Hertz, more story about AJ and Devante. Like just feed these guys and good things will happen. Why not? Like they can do so much. It's not just about the deep balls. You can run screens. And they're going to have more targets. Yeah. At the end of the day, you know, I think whatever Jalen Hertz questions or debates that we had
Starting point is 01:02:42 in the offseason or an off season's past that were hypothetical, we're actually going to get real world tests for. And the first one he aced with triple flying colors because they are not going to have a dominant running game this year. Like that is my other, my other big takeaway is, say, Sakewan's 480 touches from last year are still showing up. The offensive line isn't quite as dominant. Sequin's workload was insane,
Starting point is 01:03:05 and they are going to have to lean into their star wide receiver tandem to be able to win games. I mean, they got two number one receivers. Yes. I mean, their second best receiver won the Heisman Trophy as a wide receiver. Hosted Giants next week, revenge game. Oh, Vrabble revenge game. Patriots rolled their coaches, former.
Starting point is 01:03:27 team to notch their third straight road victory. Just throwing that in there just because it's not just beating up on the Titans. Third straight road victory. Take a listen to some true leadership. One second, one second. Hey, for coaching all Tennessee coaches, Coach Braybo, we love playing for you. Appreciate it. Glad you're our head coach and we love you, coach.
Starting point is 01:03:59 I mean, five's off of it. A hundred and twenty five pass rating, completing 75% of your passes in a six game span. Here's the list in NFL history. Now, it's Drake Mayingoff, Aaron Rogers, Drew Brees. Twice. Joe Montan. No big deal. Now, if you add... Kurt Cousins, so don't leave him out.
Starting point is 01:04:21 I don't know. The podcast doesn't need everybody on it. If you add... 150 rushing yards, he's the only one. In NFL history. Yeah. He also joins Brady and Mahomes as the only guys with six straight games, 100-passer rating with at least 200 passing games.
Starting point is 01:04:39 What about the rushes? I don't have that off top of this. Probably just strike me. Does anyone? Go ahead, KW. Vegas graphics. I'll show you a Vegas graphic that I disagree with. And I just want to see if anybody wants to come on board.
Starting point is 01:04:53 Odds to win the AFC East. It's still the bills and Josh Allen. You disagree with it because you don't think they're giving the dolphins a good enough shots? It's 400 to 1. Tough one. Jet for 500 to 1. Yeah, it's a tough one. Greg, just for the record, I'll run through some stats that I wrote down.
Starting point is 01:05:10 We are top five. There's one one, two, three, there's five teams that are top five offense and defense scoring. Colts, your Colts, Packers, who you have going on the Super Bowl, Seahawks, who are sneaky good, your chiefs and the Patriots.
Starting point is 01:05:27 Hold on, KW, that can't be right. Top ten. Okay. There's five teams top ten. There's five teams, top ten. We'll edit that out for the West Coast. Greg, do you think that the Patriots have a legit claim that they are actually better than the bills? So, yes.
Starting point is 01:05:49 Thank you. And I mean, obviously we gauge how somebody measures up by head-to-head. Thank you. Great point. Was it a neutral field? It was not a neutral field. Oh, in Buffalo? It was in Buffalo.
Starting point is 01:06:05 And so when you have that, when you have that on your resume. and you follow it up because a lot of us we were waiting to see will you have a let down and they have yet to have that let down you can't say that and i actually said that win can actually work in reverse for them where now they believe who they are i think this team is showing they believe and they know who they are and what they're capable of and so that's a scary team to play and if you're the buffalo bills yes you've been the bully of that AFCE and you deserve all the credit, but they're not going to bow down to you. That team is just not going to do it. No, I agree with that. They have an argument. Like, they should believe that.
Starting point is 01:06:52 I don't believe it. But they do. And the head-to-head thing, I get it. But if we're going to play that game, then who's better between the Steelers and the Patriots? Because the Steelers beat y'all. Yeah, the Steelers. The Raiders. I'm just saying like.
Starting point is 01:07:12 I'm talking about first place teams that are in the first way. Well, right, still is the first place. But I look, outside and the Patriots are good. All right. You guys picked them to make the playoffs. I didn't. They're looking like a playoff team right now. But I like the bills better outside of the bills.
Starting point is 01:07:29 And Carolina, which is having a good year, good resurgence. Y'all have beaten three, one and six. But the same deal, by the way, the bills, hold on, just real quick. The bills. The bills haven't been the big of anybody. Other than Baltimore.
Starting point is 01:07:44 So that's, Baltimore's not good. Baltimore is one at one meeting. They had the mar at that way. They were good in that game. I will just go very quick. The last few minutes. They definitely have a legit claim.
Starting point is 01:07:55 I still would go with Buffalo if this team were to, this could be a round one playoff game. Could be a debate. And honestly, even if we're in Foxborough,
Starting point is 01:08:05 I think I'd go with Buffalo because of the pedigree of Josh and the, I just would. That's the thing. That's it. That's it. That's just it. You're right.
Starting point is 01:08:15 That's all. But sometimes that's what can be the deciding factor. But it's not like you guys have a ton of names either. No. And so the last point I'll make. I actually, KW don't think it matters that much. Because what matters is May is legit. He's legit and he is on the exact schedule he's supposed to be on if he's going to be a superstar.
Starting point is 01:08:38 Which is here to your list. to you're legit. So he's like, you should feel great, bro. You should feel great. Remember when we were on the doorstep of Destiny? Mm-hmm. What are you doing this for? You want more Patriots takes?
Starting point is 01:08:49 Yeah. I was trying to get you get there because you were getting rolled on. Getting rolled on. Welcome back to the show. We're not huddling this segment. Guys, stop talking. Up 18, six minutes left, no huddles. If you're up 18 with six minutes left,
Starting point is 01:09:07 the team, that team had won 1,600 and 2,000. straight games. Not so fast is Brian Daywall. Bo Nix cooks up the Giants defense scores 33 points in the fourth. Nick, this was a Giants collapse, and we looked at it through that angle. But are you also, or are
Starting point is 01:09:22 you ready to believe in Bo and the Bronco? No, I am not. And I don't know. I should have asked Dust. I apologize. If we don't have their schedule, that's fine. If we do, please throw it up. They are going to, they're 5 and 2, and you look at their buy. They're going to be 6.
Starting point is 01:09:40 and five headed into the buy and have to scrape their way into the postseason. Interesting. They have scored 13 points total in quarters one through three of their last three games, all wins. Three points, quarters one through three against Philly, ten against the Jets, zero yesterday against the Giants. I will give Bo Nicks credit for being a gamer at the end of these games, and he is playing great at the end of these games. But I have watched the Broncos incredibly closely because I try to watch everything
Starting point is 01:10:17 closely, but I watch my bet's a little closer. And nothing fills me with more confidence than when I see Bo Nix is launching a deep ball on the run, that that thing is sailing out of bounds. And I have seen it play in, play out, and then he has flipped the switch in these fourth quarters. And that matters for long term potentially, but I thought the Broncos defense yesterday was disappointing. I thought Sean Payton's game plan yesterday was disappointing. And I think that they are the last two games against the Giants and the Jets were as tough, ugly a wins as you're going to have. And so no, could they, could I be wrong about them missing the playoffs? Sure. I still think
Starting point is 01:11:03 they're going to have to fight to get in, but I do not look at them as a team nearly as good as their record. I'm with you. Look, they might make the playoffs. I'm not saying they can't make the playoffs, but although that is a tough schedule. But I don't believe, like, they're not a contender. And it's the offense. And Bo Nicks, as you said, he's been great in the fourth quarters.
Starting point is 01:11:22 He's got an 87 passer rating. This is for the season. 6.1 yards per attempt and 62% completion. Like, none of those numbers are good. And when you watch them, we know the defense is great. They lead the league in sacks. The defense overall is good despite yesterday. Jackson Dart didn't seem to have anything.
Starting point is 01:11:40 Okay, but overall they've been a really good deal. Yesterday was their first bad defensive team overall. But offensively, I think that's their problem. If the Jets had a pulse offensively, they would have beat them. And obviously, if the Giants don't collapse, they'd have beat them. So might make the playoffs, but not a contender. So we do this all the time. I'm like, if this team would have done this, they could have won.
Starting point is 01:12:03 This team is legit. This team is legit. And I'll tell you why. They're legit because there are not many teams that could be in these situations that they have been in and find themselves on the winning side of them. That's fair. Because of how sound they are defensively now. Did they give up a lot yesterday against the Giants? Absolutely.
Starting point is 01:12:25 But sometimes you let your guard down. What they can't have is those numbers from their quarterback. And if you look at yesterday's game, before I even get to the game, before we can go to the stats. Like this is, you got to find a way if you're Sean Payton to get that fourth quarter version of Bo Nix for the entirety of the game because that would only then make them even more legitimate. If they, then they would be an excellent team. They had hit four-quarter nicks throughout the game.
Starting point is 01:13:00 And the reason why I say that they're legit is because you can, you can, the three quarters of the way he's performing, it not only, it not only wears on fans and viewers, it wears on the team. Yeah. Like defensively, they're like, man, come on. Can we get something? They're on the field. They're getting these stops.
Starting point is 01:13:22 They pitched basically a shutout in the second half, well, not a shutout. but they did their job well enough to where, okay, we're going to give you another chance offense. We're going to give you another chance. And we keep doing this. And even as at receivers, you talk about him throwing those balls out of bounds. But then something clicks.
Starting point is 01:13:42 And it's like, who are you? What does that say? Does that say anything to you that, I mean, do they take some of the guard rails off in the fourth quarter? So it almost makes me feel like they need to, and I know we got to go with his no huddle. almost makes me feel like they need to just literally no huddle it. Like put pressure.
Starting point is 01:14:02 Yeah, play the two minutes. Absolutely. Put the pressure on him because he seems to get the best version out of Bow when the pressure is at his highest. He's not worried about making a mistake. 33 points in the fourth quarter. They'd have 132 if they play that way the whole game. That would be excellent. To beat, dude.
Starting point is 01:14:23 What's the score? Speaking of excellent. Holy cow, 132 to 27. Christian McCaffrey having a year that rivals Sequan's CMC-esque year, bro. 31 touches over 200 yards from scrimmage, two touchdowns, caught seven pillows. How dangerous are the 49ers when Purdy returns. Now they are four and one with Mack Jones. The pillow e-ball.
Starting point is 01:14:47 And Mack started out his first, what, three games. He's more for 300 yards a game. The last two, particularly yesterday, they have kind of won. in spite of Mac. His last two games, he's got zero touchdowns and three interceptions. John Jennings, what's he supposed to do, Greg? Yesterday
Starting point is 01:15:07 at an interception, a fumble, he got the fumble. That was not his fault. I get it, but you can say that about every single quarterback. It's on his record as an interception. But look, I think, I do think they,
Starting point is 01:15:25 Jones is on time. And that's why Shanahan liked him in the draft. Like he's on time, he's on schedule, he's smart, processes well, all that stuff. But I do think they need Purdy's ability to add Lib and his mobility. Like they wouldn't have beat Seattle if with Mack just because Mac wouldn't have been able to make that play that Purdy made a day. I get it. But would party have, do you think Purdy can make those plays with this toe injury? Well, no, no.
Starting point is 01:15:54 I mean, that's the thing. I'm talking about when he gets back 100% healthy, which who knows at that point. But by the line, McCaffrey is, I am shocked at McCaffrey yesterday in particular. And Robert Sala, to do that without Nick Bolsa and Fred Warner yesterday, like, Salas, he's been phenomenal. He's been the difference maker. Do I believe that this team is more dangerous with Purdy or? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:16:19 I think this is who the 49ers are. They are well coached. They are going to be put in some great situations. I just don't think the gap from Purdy to Mac Jones is that drastic. Yeah. So there's dangerous with Purdy as. This is this is about as dangerous as we're going to get. You might have some slight different schemes that you can put in because Purdy is obviously a little more mobile.
Starting point is 01:16:51 Yeah. It's the same thing. I just don't think he's going to be mobile. I don't think you come back. Without no, no, I mean he, and they might just keep him out until he's 100%. Very quick question. Be smart.
Starting point is 01:17:02 Because I don't want to, we don't, we, the party conversation is either going to be 45 minutes or 40 seconds. So let's just do this. Does CMC have a shot to be on the ballot tomorrow? Not tomorrow. Just because if he keeps this up, like I think he's been, he's been good throughout the season. He was great yesterday. I don't think he, like going into yesterday, I obviously, Taylor's ahead. of him. I had Bijan
Starting point is 01:17:26 having him. He outplayed Bijan. Yeah. But I just, yeah, probably not tomorrow. Okay. He looks fresh too, man. Yeah. And he's taken, yeah, the double tendinitis in the last year. You got the year off. He looks great. Sequin spent the years running for 2,000 yards. He's tired. CMC at the year off.
Starting point is 01:17:43 He looks fresh. All right. Head to Dallas. Cowboys put up 44 on the commanders. Dallas now 3, 3 and 1. Washington loses the game and Jaden Daniels, who left with a hamstring. Commanders below 500. Hold on a Dusty was in my ear. Dusty, what's the latest from Dan Quinn?
Starting point is 01:17:58 I'll just repeat it. Not long term according to Dan Quinn. That's it though. That's what Dusty, according to Dan Quinn via Dusty. That's all he said. What's the story of this game of this game for you? Okay, Hubbs, tell me my ear if the line is, Dan Quinn can say what he wants, but as long as the, I'm checking on draft Kings right now. As long as long as there's still 10 point underdogs, it means, which they are, they don't think.
Starting point is 01:18:25 Jaden's playing this week. You know, it can be not be long term, but if they're 10-point dogs, Vegas is telling us they don't think he's playing this week. The bigger story is the commanders, in my opinion, for two reasons. One is, those of us no, I know that. I'll get to that in a second.
Starting point is 01:18:44 Those of us that were concerned about Jaden coming into the league because of durability have now seen Jaden through one in a third seasons. get his ribs cracked, hurt his knee, and now have a weird soft tissue thing that seemed to be related to the knee,
Starting point is 01:19:06 but not, I don't know, whatever it is, it's three separate injuries, one of which he got knocked out of a game for, another of which he missed two games for, and this one it looks like he's going to miss a game. So that's a concern. The other concern is they're in 13th place in the NFC, and their next three are, as Greg was pointing out, Kansas City, Seattle, Detroit,
Starting point is 01:19:27 and they have two more left against Philly. This is, it is very difficult for me to see how this team is going to be able to make the playoffs. And that's to me the story. Like, you can't teams that are fighting for that last playoff spot just beat you in back-to-back weeks in the Bears and the Cowboys. And you don't have to worry about tiebreakers, oddly, with the Cowboys, because since they have a tie,
Starting point is 01:19:52 you're not going to be in to have the same record as them. but you do have to worry about it with the Bears and you lost to him. So to me, that's the bigger story. A team that was not on this show, but a somewhat trendy pick to go to the Super Bowl and was my pick, to be fair, to win that division, is, I think they are teetering on their season being over, Greg. Yeah, a bigger story is definitely the commanders. I didn't have them making the playoffs, not because of injuries. I just didn't think that they could recapture what they did in year one with Jay and Daniels.
Starting point is 01:20:21 But when you lose to the Cowboys, the team now you're in third place in that division, you not only suffered the loss, you suffered even greater loss, in my opinion, with your quarterback. Because to your point, last year, healthy. Now we're starting to see this. And I don't knock them for that because you're not going to get through this type of a game and never get injured. You're going to have injuries. but when you see that this team offensively, they had, no Debo Samuel,
Starting point is 01:20:52 haven't had Terry McCorn for the last four weeks or so. And now your quarterback is potentially teetering on, is he going to play? That's not a good sign when you look at the schedule coming up. We need our players in order to compete and win these types of games. Yeah, so this is the bigger, this is the bigger for commanders in the loss.
Starting point is 01:21:13 It's so weird. I know just hearing, doing the 49ers story, and then the commander's story. Like 49ers lost their quarterback, lost defensive players, lost offensive players, and it's like they're still in it. Great coaching. But commanders are done, bro.
Starting point is 01:21:28 They're in trouble. They're in trouble. There's no doubt. It feels like a lost year the whole time because, like you said, McLaur has been out for so long. Debo now is out. That Thursday night game killed him
Starting point is 01:21:40 with Echler popping his Achilles, Y's getting hurt. And now, I mean, 10 point dogs at Arrowhead. Vladdy coming in with the Austin Matthews jersey. I like that. Mariners Blue Jers, winners goes to the World Series coverage starts at seven. We're going to tell you who wins next.
Starting point is 01:21:57 Fox this weekend. Giants and Eagles, little revenge game for Seque Juan. Not only because he was on the Giants, the Giants just beat him. Then at four o'clock, Buck Saints. These are all on Fox this Sunday. Excellent game. Brown's Patriots.
Starting point is 01:22:12 You can come over to my house for that one. Is that a real invite? No. Crowded slate of games tonight, two Monday night games and a game seven. We're going to start with football. Lions hosting Baker and the Bucks. Mike Evans back, Ibuka gone.
Starting point is 01:22:24 Lions trying to get past a loss to the Chiefs. Nick, are you expecting a Lions bounceback game after a lot of media chatter? Maybe put on your media on Bozeman hat. Yeah, the last couple of years, teams coming off losing of the Chiefs are five and 12 in the following game. So that to me, I think it's noteworthy because you put a lot into playing that for most of those games, they were the defendant. I'm serious. It's a good stat. It's a real stat, Greg, five and 12.
Starting point is 01:22:49 Five and 12. You put a lot in, for most of those games, the Chiefs literally were the defending champs, and most of those games were close games, and so there was a bit of a letdown effect. I also think the Lions specifically were doing a lot of whining last week. Angry, not at the, I mean,
Starting point is 01:23:05 who are they mad at? First, they were mad at the Craig Rolls stat for getting a call right, and then they were mad at the NFL films, and Louis Riddick for putting together a one minute compilation. A lot of... Madad juju, really, too.
Starting point is 01:23:20 A lot of whining. And listen, the Lions should win. They're at home. They are actually healthier than Tampa. They need the game more. But I'm worried that they lost a bit of focus here.
Starting point is 01:23:32 So I am not expecting the Lions bounce back game, Greg. If you roll your eyes at my sparkling. I do expect the Lions bounce back. Just because of all
Starting point is 01:23:43 of what you mentioned. Like, they played the Chiefs. They don't, they don't feel good about how they showed up into Arrowhead. They are a little healthier. You're at home. It's Monday night. You have the crowd. You play well at home.
Starting point is 01:23:59 This is a team that you do not take for granted because it is a, it's been a dog fight the last couple of times that they've played the Buccaneers. And so they respect this team, regardless of how they're coming in, who they're going to have available to play. They're going to respect this team. And Dan Campbell typically has this team ready to play when they have suffered a loss like that. I'm with Greg.
Starting point is 01:24:21 I definitely expect to bounce back. They need this game badly. And Tampa's been living dangerously. They beat the Jets by two. All right, the Jets, all right? They beat Atlanta, which is like a roller coaster. Who knows which Atlanta team has shown up? But still, they barely beat them.
Starting point is 01:24:39 Atlanta really should have won that game on opening weekend. And so I think Detroit was embarrassed. I think they wanted to go out there and play the Chiefs and make a statement against the Chiefs and for the rest of the league and clearly didn't do it. And they're going to come out and try to reestablish themselves as kind of the bullies, the tough guys again. And I will be surprised if they don't win this game. It's a huge swing for them and their chance of being the one seed. If they win it, they are almost the one seed in the NFC. technically it would be your team.
Starting point is 01:25:11 The Packers, because the tie. But if they lose it, Tampa has one loss. They have three, and Tampa has the head-to-head. So it's huge for. Sneaky must win for Detroit. Yes. Sneaky must win. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:25:22 Head to Toronto. This is not a sneaky one. Coverage starts at 7 o'clock. Mariners, Blue Jays. Winner goes to the World Series to face the Dodgers. It's a game three rematch. Shane Bieber and George Kirby. Blue Jays came out on top there.
Starting point is 01:25:35 My guy, George Kirby, was not good. Brew, we'll start with you. Who do you have tonight in this game seven? Look, my team is the Dodgers with Otani, but I like both. Look, I like, I'm loving what Vlad is doing, so I wouldn't mind seeing him going. I'm loving, of course, big dumper. But I'm going to go with Seattle. I'm going to go with Seattle.
Starting point is 01:25:55 You've been a big dumper guy all year, bro. You have to go to Seattle. You got to go. Listen, I'm just rooting for what I think is the coolest storyline. And the coolest storyline is Seattle, which is, Seattle, which is, the only team in professional baseball who has never made a world series. Great trivia last week, Gianna. Terrible job by Danny, not knowing that.
Starting point is 01:26:14 Making a World Series and having Cal Raleigh and his 60 plus home runs, which at this point it's like 66 on the season against Otani and the World Series. So I say Seattle. I'm going with Seattle. I want Seattle. I obviously want the Mariners. I'm a huge Mariners guy. They're going to empty, use everybody, which I somewhat like, but I don't want to have a,
Starting point is 01:26:37 quick pull of George Kirby. George Kirby needs to go six innings. Don't go like two innings. If he goes six innings, they win. The last, the four starters have gone to combine 13 and a third inning. Yeah, I know. And they have a 70 already. Like, guys, get locked in.
Starting point is 01:26:53 All right. You guys, you guys did it. I was going to pick the Mariners because obviously I like, as a champion. If I'm going to lose, I want to lose, say I lost to the better team. Yeah, and the Tigers did that. But I'm going Blue Jays because all of you guys are going with the Mariners, so I got to go with the Blue Jays.
Starting point is 01:27:10 Let's go, Vlad. And coach in spirit and be going with the Blue Jail. This counts for Upset alert? No. Stop messing with upset alert. There was a big disaster. I heard. I told us.
Starting point is 01:27:21 Big disaster. Well, it was a bit of a mess. Big disaster. Y'all should lose points for that. No. I didn't. My New York, it's a show that's trying to be a good teammate at all times. Not out here pitching perfect games.
Starting point is 01:27:35 Sometimes I run the wrong route, but just throw it to where I am. Not to be like you were supposed to be there and a purposeful and complete. First hour. No, it's not the first hour. It's the first hour. It's first hour first overtime, though. Yeah, it is the first hour. I'm sorry I threw you off your game.
Starting point is 01:27:57 Today, a fresh episode of Stock Up, Stock Down, as Michael Parsons, not inspired by the Bud List, inspired by Pax stats. Making stats cool again. Yes. He was. You're right, because you ripped it. He's just pointing back shots. And next thing you know, Mike is like, hold on.
Starting point is 01:28:15 So let's the pressure corner. I'm not making a difference. And then how did he respond? It's like the Budlis. Maybe you were inspired by the Budlis. Possibly second most inspirational segment in sports. Pretty good. Meanwhile, did the Eagles officially erase all concerns now that Jalen
Starting point is 01:28:32 Hertz is throwing the ball all around the field. That would be good. But right now, we're starting with the Kansas City Chiefs. Chiefs crushed the Raiders. My favorite stat via Kendall Baker. Yeah, Casey had 30 first downs of Raiders ran. 30 plays. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:28:47 It's just wild. And also the Chiefs stopped trying to get first downs. Right. At the end of the third quarter. Here's Patrick. We want to be better than what we're all right now. And so this was a great step in the right direction, but we've got to keep building as a whole team.
Starting point is 01:29:04 I think this is probably the most consistent that we've seen that we've been able to play and kind of stack games together. And obviously our record is still not where we want it to be. But you can see from offense, defense, we've had bright moments in this season. And now it seems like we're coming together as a team. Okay. What did the Chiefs prove with that victory? That they are, once again, the scariest team in the NFL? So hold on, wait.
Starting point is 01:29:26 To be clear, I don't know that he's on the schedule again. But do we still, like, it's part of the scariness being afraid that Russell Wilson can outplay Patrick Mahomes? That was just a moment in time. Are we, is part of the scariness like being worried, being worried that they can't keep up with prolific offenses like
Starting point is 01:29:44 Detroit or Baltimore. I'm just curious. Like, what type of fear are we talking about here? Those takes aged like avocados. Okay. I'm willing to point from I said I would not doubt them again. Listen, you are the chiefs guy and you have coined a lot of phrases. Yeah, tackle the turn of the tide is the best one.
Starting point is 01:30:00 Yeah, never a doubt. Yeah. They're the benefit of the doubt team. Every team in the league has questions. Tampa is just one-score games, Eagles, can they do it consistently? But at least the Eagles, you know, they've won a Super Bowl and they've beaten the Chiefs. If it's a wide open league and the Chiefs can put an offensive performance like that together and they can string them together, which is what my real concern with them was, not like I don't believe the Chiefs can be good?
Starting point is 01:30:25 But like can the Chief's offense look like they've looked the last four games? And now they've got 350 yards and 28 points in four consistent. consecutive games and it took them what 29 times to do that before like they have removed can I ask any doubt this I go ahead I have a question too did something happen like right before this four-game streak that maybe could have yeah change the template of the season for them it's possible okay but do you do you think Danny that because Nick did a big thing like ripping all the chiefs doubters but that this graphic would be like well why do you think the real team is the
Starting point is 01:31:01 team in the last four games versus the previous 29 games as the sort of empirical scientist on the staff. I appreciate that and how much does that hurt? Yeah, that's fine. Go ahead. That was hurt you a little bit. Well, I think the fact that Xavier Worthy came back and then now Rishi Rice is back in this last game was the first game ever that Hollywood Brown, Rishie Rice and Xavier Worthy have all played together. And again, I think the benefit of the doubt thing for them is real because as Nick points out all the time, this is not a 29 game sample size team.
Starting point is 01:31:33 It's a seven year run. So this is, and this is my pushback on that where you seem, you seem to feel like I am more bothered than I should be about the doubts after the 0 and 2 start, to which I, like, and I kept bringing this up, but that the Patriots from 2011 to 2018, the only other team to make seven straight conference championship games, they made eight straight, chiefs are trying to match that. four of those years started two and two. That we were, that we got used to the idea that the Patriots would figure out who they were in September and then get rolling.
Starting point is 01:32:12 And the reason that the 29 game sample stuff bothers me so much is within that sample was literally them going on the road through the toughest by advanced metrics, playoff gauntlet ever and winning a Super Bowl and then the next year going 15 and one with their starting quarterback playing and then scoring 30 in 32 to go back to the Super Bowl when the offense got rolling at the end of the year and we knew they were dealing with injuries at the offensive line and more importantly the most injured skill position group in football and that's what so to me what they proved was aside from the fact that obviously it will go down in history is tackle that turn the tide turn the season around and all the numbers back it up just roll through the full screens quickly here we just can't like everybody wants to everybody wants to do
Starting point is 01:33:03 like these other things it that's the moment and people can laugh because I'm a little tongue-in-cheek with calling it the tackle that turned the tide fact of the matter is this they were oh and two looked worse than they had looked in weeks one or week two in the first half against the giants and a Giants defender has picked up a football to take a lead going into halftime. And Mahomes took it back from them. And since then, they've looked unbelievable. They did lose a game, obviously, and Mahomes made a mistake, but it's the only real mistake of consequences made all year.
Starting point is 01:33:39 That's to your point, Danny. Since then, they've been the most prolific offense in football. Since then, Mahomes been the best player in football, all of those numbers. But the other thing that they proved was, If Patrick just has competent offensive line play and receivers he can trust, they are the scariest offense in football. And listen, I am very high on Rishi Rice, who he already is and who he's going to be as a player. But he is not right now a top 10 receiver in football.
Starting point is 01:34:13 You know, he just, he, nobody would say he's better than Amundra St. Brown or CD or any of those guys. I think Xavier Worthy is going to be a legitimate number one. He is not that yet. And Kelsey obviously is still not the player he was four years ago. But once those guys are out there and you actually have human beings that can beat man coverage and guys that Patrick trusts, they are going to move the ball at will. And to me, that's what they proved, bro. Yeah, Danny, I coined the phrase the light show that is kind of caught fire.
Starting point is 01:34:49 Yeah, Brew invented. It proved that the light show is back. Like, there's no question about that. And, you know, we'll see what Rishi Rice and Xavier Worthy become. But, I mean, that offense now has the deep ball threats in Worthy and Thornton. You got the underneath threats. Kelsey now looks obviously not like he was in his prime. But he's been a lot more productive since Worthy got back.
Starting point is 01:35:15 Hollywood, Juju. I mean, now that core looks really good, like deep. You know, Rishie is great with yards after the catch. But beyond the light show being back, Danny, this is the first time in Mahomes' career. Now, we'll see if it carries out for the whole season. But the first time in his career that they have had a top five total offense and a top five total defense. Usually they've been, the offense is phenomenal. Defense is, okay.
Starting point is 01:35:47 Defense is phenomenal. offense is solid. Now they look like they have both. And that's what's scary for the league. I agree. And we get a lot of fun tests. Like they still have to play Buffalo. They still have to play Indianapolis. Like we get to see regular season tests of this like newfound chief thing. They play the Bronco twice. And it gives Detroit and Baltimore with Lamar. That's what it was. The offense was clicking and they shut them down defensively. But to Wilde's point too, like my criticisms or questions of the chiefs were like present tense. Like I never was like,
Starting point is 01:36:22 the dynasty is over. Like Mahomes will win another MVP or two, another ring or two or three. It was just like in that moment in time, was their offense broken because of all of the guys who were out? And they did look, I mean, they lost that game to Philly when I picked Philly
Starting point is 01:36:37 when we were all in Kansas City. They were struggling against the Giants. And now things have changed. Yeah. Thank God for the tackle the turn of the touch. Without the tackle that turn the time. I'm without the tackle the truth. The tide, everything's different.
Starting point is 01:36:47 The tide would still be going. Also, kind of a sad, and this might lead well into stock up, stock down, kind of a sad omission there by you. What I do? You were like, they still play Buffalo. They still play Indy. They still play the Chargers, too, buddy. But you're just, but I know. I'm just saying like.
Starting point is 01:37:06 That's even more. Exactly. Exactly. But you were thinking of the best teams and the best quarterbacks in football. And like, Chargers didn't even come to part. Check in on the Packers and Micah Parsons, who had one of the best games of his career, three sacks, five quarterback hits. Was he inspired by Danny's segment last week? Well, we'll find out in today's edition of Stock Up, Stock Down.
Starting point is 01:37:32 That's right. Stock up. Micah Parsons. It didn't take long. Pressures. A hundred and 16 percent increase for the Packers this week from last week. And you said one of the best games of Micah Parsons' career. He's never had three sacks in a game. So the best sack game definitively of his career.
Starting point is 01:37:53 And he tied his career high for quarterback hits with five and tackles for a loss with four. I have no idea what Arizona was doing blocking him one-on-one. Like you guys were showing the highlights earlier. There was no help ever. Micah Parsons is still really, really good. And he's just blowing past one blocker each and ever. every time it was his best game as a Packer and the best game of his career. So I think that's pretty undisputable.
Starting point is 01:38:21 And I think it's a great point. I want to kind of open it up a little bit wider because you are obviously a well-known Packers Hater just out of fandom. I didn't know that. Well, he's a Bears and Packers fans hated. He didn't even pick them to make the play. Yeah. When they traded for Micah, he moved them up from last place.
Starting point is 01:38:38 I thought that was. It's genuine. It's a heart. And dislike for their fans. And you, Brew, obviously, picking up to the Super Bowl. I wonder if you feel similarly to the Packers, though, through six weeks as Brew, which is not great about how they've looked this last month. Like, it is good that they got that win.
Starting point is 01:39:02 And it's also your point's right that it seemed odd that they just let Micah Parsons continue to do damage. But Arizona move the ball. When Micah Parsons wasn't sacking the quarterback or getting TFLs, Jacobi Verset was moving the ball, and Green Bay did need to convert a fourth and two late that ended up essentially winning them that game. I'm surprised the defense after that amazing start has not looked as dominant as I thought it would personnel-wise.
Starting point is 01:39:35 I agree. Listen, both sides of the ball. To pick up a fourth and four, they're throwing at 45 yards down the field. They're a very inconsistent team on offense and defense. And so I think they're better than I gave them credit for preseason. They're just good enough to make a critical mistake in the division round of the playoffs. Yeah, go ahead.
Starting point is 01:39:53 We have to check the stock market. It's like you in the brakes, bro. This one hurts. This one hurts, but to show that I am fair, stock down, Caleb Williams. Wow. He was objectively not good against the Saints, and the Saints defense has been objectively terrible against the the past. This is his passer rating. Week three, week four, week six, they had the buy in week five, and week seven, the lowest of the season at this point. And it was masked by four takeaways. And in this four game winning streak, they have 15 takeaways in four games. Oh, that's too many. That is too many. That's a problem. I mean, that's a, that's a weird problem. Yeah, that's a problem. Yeah, not sustainable. It's like, Caleb objectively was not good. And people were talking about, like, are you being too critical? Is there too much scrutiny on him because they are winning? No, he has to play better, period, because the takeaways are not sustainable, bro.
Starting point is 01:40:45 You guys, we talked about it last week, you wanted to see a monster game from him. I said I'd be happy with a win and a solid performance. This wasn't a solid performance, and you're right, they did get the win, so good for them. Look, stacking wins is obviously important. They are right in the thick of the playoff race. But that was disappointed. I mean, again, I didn't want fireworks. I just wanted solid, steady play, and I didn't see that.
Starting point is 01:41:14 And he continues to be on this roller coaster. And has trouble handling the snap. Yeah. Two botched snaps, six other offensive penalties. His pass-a rating since that Cowboys win is 78. He has three touchdowns and two interceptions since the Cowboys game. It's not going great. No, this, but I got to say, this game really surprised me.
Starting point is 01:41:37 By how he performed? Yes. I thought that it was, I don't want to say impossible. But I thought that barring, you know, a bunch of turnovers that obviously the bears are going to move the ball through the air on New Orleans because everyone has moved the ball through the air on New Orleans. And for them to instead win just because New Orleans kept giving them the ball, they made some great plays obviously as well. I did not, that was to me almost the least likely of these outcomes. And even if Brew's take of, hey, just a solid game, it was smarter than me or Danny's,
Starting point is 01:42:18 I did not see bad game on the board. And to me, like, I think had they lost, this would be one of the worst performances of any quarterback all year. Of any, let me rephrase that, of any guy that we consider a real starting quarterback. that isn't a backup or a guy that's just put in there. So yeah. It's a long way of saying like perhaps I deserve some points because this was my upset alert pick.
Starting point is 01:42:42 They lost my 12 points. I was almost. But a lot of you guys were like, man, wilds, you called this kind of. No. What was your other upset? Since you did too. Giants Broncos almost called that one too. That one covered.
Starting point is 01:42:54 That one covered. So I got, you got you get. Oh, that's why you were advocating for coach to get a point for that. Because you also had no. It was very clear. You bucked the system. I was like the Saints aren't that bad. Fuck the system.
Starting point is 01:43:06 Now, if we want to say that last week, upset alert, Nick's picks and Parkins picks is just we're just going to pretend it didn't happen. I don't think of it. I'm fine with that. All right. I didn't look at your. Oh, no, Seattle pending the night for a perfect week.
Starting point is 01:43:20 Stock up the Colts legitimacy as contenders. This is real. I don't know how we can deny this anymore. The graphic here is a simple one. Points, as in points scored week. Two weak, two week. If you score a lot of points, Nick, you're big brain football guy.
Starting point is 01:43:39 You often win football games. And I know people have questions about Daniel Jones. People have question about their opponents. They're six and one. And you guys showed this earlier in the show. I just wanted to add one more team to it since it's fresh in everyone's mind. Points per drive, if they actually did this for the full year,
Starting point is 01:43:56 07 Patriots, 18 chiefs, and the lions from last year who won 15 games and were the one seed, I don't know in a wide open NFL, and we get to see them against your chiefs in a couple of weeks. But, man, they could easily be nine and one coming off a by heading into Arrowhead based on their schedule. We have to look at the Colts as being real. No, look. The Chiefs look like they are a level above everybody else in the AFC. But everybody else, Buffalo, if you want to throw New England.
Starting point is 01:44:30 Like, I would put the Colts right there with anybody else in the AFC right now. Now, to do what they did, I really didn't believe in them through the first six weeks because I felt like, okay, they're not beating great teams. They obviously lost to the Rams. To do that to a Jim Harbaugh coach team that's pretty good, got Khalil Mack back, by the way, that Chargers defense. That's the second most points put on a hardball team since he took over the Chargers last year.
Starting point is 01:44:59 So that was incredibly impressive. And it's strange how they're doing it. Obviously, Jonathan Taylor is a star. Jones is not. The receivers are not. The tight end is playing well. But it's incredible what you're doing. Did you think the Vikings were legit and Super Bowl contender last year?
Starting point is 01:45:16 I did not. Okay. To me, this is the exact same bucket. Like you have a superstar skill position player, Justin Jefferson, Jonathan Taylor. You have one of those quarterback whisperer head coaches you love so much. Kevin O'Connell, Shane Steichen. You have a quarterback that there's just going to be massive questions about throughout the entirety of the year
Starting point is 01:45:35 and then even into next year as Darnold is now answering them, but it has to be more than a year. And you're going to end up with a gaudy record, which I give you credit for, but I do not, right now for me, if I were ranking AFC Super Bowl contenders,
Starting point is 01:45:51 I'd go chiefs here in a tier by themselves. In a second tier by themselves would be Buffalo, and then the third tier together would be this team and the Patriots who are having awesome seasons and are really solid teams. How does that not make them a legitimate contender if you have them third in the
Starting point is 01:46:09 AFC? Tied for third. But I just thought, I mean, there's going to be seven teams to make the playoffs. I just can't, I can't close my eyes and envision the Indianapolis cults playing for the Super Bowl this year. I just can't. Maybe it's unfair. And I also do think we need to see the defense against real quarterbacks because your
Starting point is 01:46:29 guy Herbert threw for 400 yards on them, Stafford beat him, and everyone else The Stafford game, I know we can play the Asteris game with all the games, but that was a game that the Colts easily could have won. It wasn't for wacky stuff. Correct, but the wacky stuff wasn't the Rams moving the ball. The wacky stuff was the Colts costing themselves points. I say one more thing before we go to stock up, stock down, because I thought about this. I thought it was a really good point about the Vikings. I don't know if Justin Jefferson versus Jonathan Taylor is just like, oh, outstanding skill position guy. Like Justin Jefferson yesterday, I, was just shut down. I don't know if you can shut down Jonathan Taylor. Well, their offensive line is good. It's more Sequin-esque last year. You're saying running back is less dependent on another guy. And that is, it's almost like this big like moat around Daniel Jones going pumpkin
Starting point is 01:47:18 moat. That's fair. That's fair. Last one. And again, to show that I'm fair and accountable, this one also hurts me. Stock down. This is like a self-roast a little bit. Justin Herbert's MVP can't see.
Starting point is 01:47:29 You know why, Nick? Because in order to be the MVP, got to win. So we decided to track his winning percentage. It started out perfect. It's not just that though. Well, here's the thing. Justin Herbert had a few bad moments yesterday, but he also was great. Oh, stop. He was. We were texting about some throws. He had some great throws. Name three guys on the planet could make that throw. That's right. He did not allow 38 points. There were some bad moments. He threw a pick in the end zone when the game was in jeopardy. That was that was one of the bad moments. And then they got the ball back with
Starting point is 01:48:01 down 14 finally with a chance of making a game. Tipped interception. Bad luck. Bad luck. Okay. 21 pressures on 58 dropbacks. He didn't allow 38 points. He was, uh, you know, not great and he's not going to win MVP because of the wins, but also all you're writing off the MVP candidate. MVP's not happening this year because he's fallen behind pace of Peyton. Here's the other in the end. Well, that's, hold on. Look, I just wanted to update it in fairness, in interest fairness through seven games. Then those statistical numbers are actually not terribly far off. You can make up that gap. The problem is the two at the
Starting point is 01:48:32 bottom. They're not scoring enough points or winning enough games. Yeah, I mean, they did exactly what you asked them to do, which is throw the ball more. And by the way, another thing we're going to have to hear for the next four years about Justin Herbert. You see it yesterday? He's this close to the most completions through seven years. He already has the most yards through six and he's on most completions. A compiler. Yeah. And all, all Danny wanted was then to throw the ball more with him. And they throw the ball more with him and they lose games. Go ahead.
Starting point is 01:48:59 Danny last five games, he's got eight. eight touchdowns, six picks. The more he throws, the more interceptions. Not all of them are his fault. They're not. Thank you. We can say that for every quarterback in the league. Peyton Manning, stock up.
Starting point is 01:49:15 Don't save him. He's real Peyton Manning stock up. Peyton's legacy is secure. Justin Herbert is still working on his legacy. Okay. Coming up next, excellent edition of Stockup, stock down. Coming up next. The Eagles going back to the Super Bowl.
Starting point is 01:49:29 Hmm, we discussed next. Welcome back, Greg Jennings and Willie Colon out here with me, and we are now talking about the Eagles. You know what? That's just more like it. That's what some of us were waiting to see. Throw the ball down the field and good things happen. The defending Super Bowl champs beat the Vikings. Jalen Hertz has a perfect passer rating. Three touchdowns, two to A.J. Brown. Here's Jalen Hertz spiking the proverbial football. It was a collective, you know, and I think we're still ironing things out. We still are going to to be critical of ourselves, but it's good to be critical when we're winning and finding a way to
Starting point is 01:50:07 win. And so that's always the number one goal. Great effort by everyone to do. So the question is, are the Eagles problems officially behind them? And I will just say, like, for now, yes, but to me, the best compliment I can give the Eagles is that team can win this year's Super Bowl. Like, you need to prove to me that you can do something excellent on the offensive side of the ball to win. And Jalen Hertz, throwing to Devante Smith and A.J. Brown looked excellent. Sequin is still a problem. The defense is still improving and young.
Starting point is 01:50:43 But like if Jalen Hertz plays football like that, they will be a problem for anybody that they play because breaking news, they beat good teams consistently. Yeah, they do. I don't think their problems are officially behind them. You listen to Jalen Hertz. he understands, like, it's a process. Like, we're still ironing things out. They're still trying to figure out how we can run the ball better,
Starting point is 01:51:07 how we can be better in that element of the game. Now, yesterday, I think they answered a lot of the questions that, not really questions that we had, but, like, they pretty much did what everyone was hoping that they would show us earlier in the season, which was throw the ball and throw the ball effectively. The thing that I loved about how they threw the ball is they threw it down the field, opening up not just hopefully the run game, but even more
Starting point is 01:51:34 of the passing game underneath. A lot of people just think that when you throw the ball down the field or you throw in the passing game, it opens up your run game. But it also opens up other parts of your passing game. And that's what we saw. They were very efficient. They used their big playmakers on the outside, and they had a tremendous amount of success doing it.
Starting point is 01:51:52 Yeah, this is the best passing performance I ever seen from Jaylor Hurts. I mean, he was just money good. I'm happy that the babies were able to get fed and they shut up. AJ Brown, Devante Smith, they all ate. But I'm kind of like Greg. One good game doesn't erase the uglies. I think when you talk about this offense right now, when January shows up, you need two things.
Starting point is 01:52:14 You need a run game in the office and line. That didn't show up for them. What we saw was explosive. Zeland Hertz on time with the football. And when you go against a defense that can shut down your vertical routes and really force you into a muddy run script, who are you? Because that's what happens in January. So I'm not surprised that capable of this. What I'm more worried about when January, when January come around, who are the Eagles?
Starting point is 01:52:35 Because right now I think their identity is still in question. We can't play January football games, though, in October. And like I had a real question on in October could this team have done that? Right. You know, no. So like the fact that they did it and then I was, you know, I'm very online. I'm of that generation. I didn't see a single sub-tweet or Instagram post because we've seen it out of wins. And it just, it felt quieted. Not when we're getting involved. Not when the diva wide receivers. Not when the offense looks sexy. And what makes the offense look sexy is you use the guys, you use the guys that are on the perimeter. I see. I see. That's what you're all happy. I get it. No, I look at this game and saying good. This, this game felt more like a reset and
Starting point is 01:53:18 exhale. This didn't feel like the Eagles finally say hi, we are them, right? I still think we need to see Seekuan. We need to see this office line. The defense needs to be better. There still there's still questions to be answered. So I am happy they won. I'm happy we don't have to talk about AJ Brown not getting the ball. But now it's about stacking wins and stacking high octane football for the next two weeks. Then we can talk about all right, all the Eagles
Starting point is 01:53:40 officially back. I do think though too like Kevin Petulow quiets around him now and then we could put up the Eagle schedule and all of a sudden like you peel it back you're like, okay well they beat Dallas, Kansas City, L.A., Tampa. And then it's like, now they're this year's resume. Not last year's Super Bowl team. Not some hypothetical thing in the future. Now all of a sudden it's like, oh, this is a five and two team with a good this year resume.
Starting point is 01:54:08 Like there's a reason to because all the Eagles did all offseason was we don't even want to look at our banner. We don't want to look at the rings. We don't want to talk about the Super Bowl. Which is smart. Sure. But then when they had that two game losing streak and they were asked about it, hey, is this the 2023 blip? You know, the funk and all that? They were like, well, how do you know it's just not last year's blip?
Starting point is 01:54:26 They started talking about the Super Bowl for last. They got defensive. They got defensive. But now this year's team has something they can hang their hat on and say, look, we can do that. Yeah, I think some of the problem with this Eagles team is I think they get in their own head. And they get in their own way in terms of trying to. And Jalen Hertz kind of alluded to it in post game because they have an identity of being a physical outfit, of running the ball first, being a run first team. they try to force that issue, even when it's not being productive.
Starting point is 01:54:56 It's counterproductive at times. And I think they've hurt themselves by saying, you know what, this is who we are, we're going to stick to our guns, when every game kind of creates character of its own. And you have to play that game and provide the offense of what's being shown. Like if you can't run the ball this game, you better be able to pass the ball and still win games. And that's what they were able to do.
Starting point is 01:55:22 Well, quickly, I'm not afraid with them being alarmed because when your bread and butter is no longer in your bread and butter, you start questioning what you can really do well. And it took a game to like this to happen and say, okay, we're not as bad as we think we're all. Two game losing streak. This caused a concern there. And now it's behind them. I've been waiting all day to talk about this game. Craziest game so far in the NFL season to date. And I didn't think it was going to be Broncos and Giants racing a 26 to 8 deficit with just over five minutes to go. the Broncos scored 33 points in the fourth quarter. That's a bit above average.
Starting point is 01:55:54 So there's a comeback and a collapse. We will hear from both quarterbacks, starting with Jackson Dart, then Bo necks. I'd never feel like we're going to lose the game. I've had some tough ones. I just can't stand losing, so a loss hurts me the same. All of a sudden, we just got some life back. I thought we could win the game,
Starting point is 01:56:14 and so we kept playing until we won the game. So the obvious answer here is both, but Willie, I'll start with you. Bigger story. Broncos comeback or Giants collapse? Giants collapse. Bottom line, this is Brian on Brian Dayball. When you talk about four-minute football, right, you got to understand how this is all situated. You're talking about the Giants being up by 10 points.
Starting point is 01:56:37 The Broncos having three touchdowns. Giants get the ball, run the ball, scatible. Boom, that's what you should do. Second time up, run the ball, scatible again. Good. Now it's third and five. You put the ball in Jackson Darts hand instead of running the football because even if you get stopped on there, you punt the ball. The Broncos now have to not only burn the time out, but they have to go to length of the field.
Starting point is 01:56:58 Even if they score now, let's say if they get a two-point conversion, now they're down by one. They have to on size kick. There's not enough time in the game for them to rally back. So this is a collapse on four-minute football. Yeah, they would have burned their last time out. Yeah, so this is on Brian Dayball. You have to ice this game. You've got to lean on your office line and your run game and realize that.
Starting point is 01:57:17 Sure, your defense is getting slaughtered, but the time is against the Broncos in this moment. So for me, it was about Brian Dayball. And his defense, Shane Bowen, the fact, I know you was a little depleted in the secondary, but the fact that you didn't blitz and allow your boys to go hunt when you know you have Bo Nix who's trying to take on a Herkling effort to win that game and you put no pressure on them, it was just a total collapse. I put this on both sides of the football, but mostly Brian DeBoe. Yeah, I'm going the opposite way.
Starting point is 01:57:43 I thought the bigger story was the comeback because we've seen this team. do it. Again, against the Eagles, we saw this type of performance come back in the fourth quarter and put up a tremendous amount of points to win the game. But I don't know how sustainable this is. And even with the success that they were able to have in the fourth quarter, you go back to the post game and we had that sot there. But Bo Nick said something else in the post game that I didn't necessarily care for. And I just want to get your guys this take on this. Specifically, yours.
Starting point is 01:58:16 Is this a he said, we said? What thing? This is the most coming up tomorrow? Just take a listen. Take a listen to this sound from Bo Nix. We just saved all our good ones for the fourth quarter. And,
Starting point is 01:58:30 you know, they just, they worked. Oh, he's being cute there. So I know he's being cute there. I know he's being cute there. I don't think he's put himself in a position to where he can do that.
Starting point is 01:58:41 And I, and don't get me wrong. I'm nitpicking now. Okay. Because, you've been we weren't all in we were in that situation because of
Starting point is 01:58:51 how you were playing and if you look at the numbers of him in the first three quarters versus the fourth quarter like we need the fourth quarter version to show up in quarter one two and three and we wouldn't be in the situation and so
Starting point is 01:59:07 like I get it he's making light he's he's having fun because they were able to come back but these aren't types of wins that are sustainable when you're playing teams like the Kansas City Chiefs, the cream of the crops when you play every single week. You can't perform like this and expect
Starting point is 01:59:26 to win every game in the fourth quarter. So I'm gonna cop out here. The bigger story of the game to me was what you said, was the Giants collapsed because you're missing extra points and your coach is not putting you in the best position to win that game. I genuinely believe that if I was managing that game for the Giants in the fourth quarter,
Starting point is 01:59:43 I genuinely believe the Giants would one. You know what I mean? Just like my understanding of game theory and all that sort of things. So that in the game, it's the Giants. But five weeks from now, we could still be talking about the Broncos. Correct. Because they are five and two.
Starting point is 01:59:58 They are in first place in the AFC West. And I was just curious, like this stretch of games, and you alluded to it a little bit, they have the 18 point fourth quarter comeback against Philly. Then they go from Philly to London. They have another fourth quarter comeback against the Jets. Then they fly all the way from London back to Denver. No by way. week after an international game and they have their third straight fourth quarter win in that spot.
Starting point is 02:00:21 Is there something to Sean Payton calloused team? Like not I feel like not every team would have been able to handle that. Like that schedule, that travel, those three opponents, three straight fourth quarter comebacks, four straight wins. You have to pay attention to that. And I think more importantly is when you have a team that shows that they will not give up and there is fight, that's something to hang. your hat on. However, you can't go through the rest of the season doing this. Well, it's one of the dumbest games I've ever seen. Both teams had a tipped pass touchdown. But I do think you make the
Starting point is 02:00:58 point with Bowdo Nix leading to charge. It doesn't matter how bad he plays. He keeps you in the fight. And the fact that you have a quarterback at this point who's been able to finish up and down games is a plus because when you get towards the back end of the season, nobody's playing the best. You just got to win. And he's showing you, it doesn't matter what the script looks like. going to close the show. So I'm fine with games like this because I'd rather have a quarterback who's confident like a Baker Mayfield to produce like this than having a quarterback like, man, we just got to chalk it up because that's not what he can do well. He can't put on the cape. Jackson Dart was about to own this city. Yes. If they would have won that game, my goodness. They would have going to name sandwiches. They're going to name everything after. Goodness gracious, we were robbed. Coming up. Yeah. Concerns about Caleb. But they've won four in a row. That's the good news.
Starting point is 02:01:42 All right, let's go to Chicago where the Bears have won four games in a row after beating the Saints. Caleb threw for 172 yards in a pick. The offense ran all over the Saints, held them to 14 points. There were four takeaways yet again for the Bears defense. Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams spoke after the game. Take a list. Up and down. That's what we've looked like.
Starting point is 02:02:12 We haven't hit our strides. yet offensively we're capable of a lot more. I threw an interception. I didn't play well today. And then the offensive line, you know, pushes us through. DeAndre Swift and the backs pushes through for 200 plus yards on ground. And so it's being able to find ways to win is what we've been able to do. And we're going to keep doing that. So I was tweeting about this game as I do and a Bears fan from Chicago, got a lot of Bears
Starting point is 02:02:40 followers. And I pointed out criticisms of Caleb Williams. and I got a lot of pushback. And it was like, the offense was good. The running game was good. The Bears won. Can't you be happy? And my point is like, of course I'm thrilled with four straight wins.
Starting point is 02:02:53 But if the question is, is concerned for Caleb and the Bears fair despite the win, my answer is yes, because I don't want to just be happy with, oh, that's nice. You won. You won four in a row. You barely beat the Saints. And I know it was a double-digit win. But like, four takeaways is not sustainable. That is not a sustainable thing.
Starting point is 02:03:13 I want to hold Caleb Williams to the standards of Drake May and Jaden Daniels, his draft class. I want to hold him to the standards ultimately of what his physical talent is, which I think is Aaron Rogers and Mahomes and Josh Allen. He was the number one pick in the draft. So Caleb's not there yet, and that's okay. Is it? It is, but I don't want to lower the bar to they won in spite of him, and that being okay. Yeah, but I look at the situation in reference to Caleb is, I, compared to much like Josh Allen.
Starting point is 02:03:44 Like Josh Allen wasn't him until year three or four. Yeah, no question. It took some time. That is the idealized version of how it goes. Right. So by my point, it took that cake some time to bake, right? And that's how I pitched Caleb Williams. I think in reference to him and the Bears,
Starting point is 02:03:57 y'all beat the Saints with Jockey game. You know what I'm? Bosch snaps. He was sloppy in the pocket. It was patchy at times. But it was a run game and the defense that got you home with the dub. You can't say that about the Bears a year ago or two years ago. No question.
Starting point is 02:04:09 So for me, this was a plus, right? The fact that he wasn't on his game and you still won. the defense showed up. It was an emotional win for Dennis Allen. And you had this run game really pop off the tape. And I'm saying, okay, this is what October football looks like. So for me, they were on schedule. Yeah, you could look around the league. Like, yeah, I want a guy who can light it up how Jalen Hurst did all that. But that's nonsense. This is where Caleb's at. I'm okay with that. So hopefully the rest of the Bears Nation is too. Yeah, look, he's a young quarterback. He's in a new system for the second year in the row. Like, and I think if we just look at it in a vacuum and only look at the Chicago Bears, and that organization and what they have going on, we'll take the prolonged or consistent growth over the course of the season. There are going to be moments like this. And you're a Bears fan, so you naturally, I don't want to feel this.
Starting point is 02:04:59 I don't want to feel like my quarterback is the reason why we're not really maximizing who we are. However, when you look at, then you, if you don't look at it in a vacuum, like most people do. We all fall subject to this. We look up and we see Drake May over there doing what he's doing. And it's like, but why can't he's, he has more ability. He has more talent.
Starting point is 02:05:20 The fact of the matter is is exactly what you said, Willie. It's going to take time. Clearly. As long as he's continuing to progress and he says things like, you know what, I didn't play well. I threw an interception. And he has that standard for himself because we know he doesn't throw a lot of interceptions. So when he does play bad and he does throw an interception, it happens.
Starting point is 02:05:40 That's why I wanted to include that piece from Caleb too. It's like, of course it's okay for us to criticize it. He was critical of himself. Yeah. He has high standards for himself. The coach has high standards for him. And yeah, trust me, thrilled with the way. I've seen the Bears lose plenty of games with the quarterback.
Starting point is 02:05:56 There you go. So it's a nice change of pace. Yes, sir. Meanwhile, in Dallas, the Cowboys dominated the commanders. 264 yards, three touchdowns from Dak, C.D. Lamb picked up right where he left off in his return. 3-3-1 on the season, DAC after the division went over one. Washington. Take a listen. It was great. It was explosive. It was fun. I mean, you saw the big plays.
Starting point is 02:06:18 Saw some drives, some drives we put together. Yeah, our standard and expectations for ourselves is very high. The love that we have for one another, and you see it just the way the guys finish plays, guys cover the ball. And defense play that played very well tonight. When you do that, I think more of our games are going to look like this. Greg, how dangerous are the Cowboys? Look, man, because of how they can get rolling on our offense, they're dangerous. Like, I don't know how dangerous they are because they pretty much show up Lopside
Starting point is 02:06:50 with one half of their team, and that's the offense. But this is how they're going, this is how they're built to win. They're going to win games solely and exclusively because of this offense. And if they're able to show up like this with C.D. Lamb on one side and George Pickens on the other and the other sprinkling in and Ferguson is doing this thing. and Williams in the backfield getting 100-yard gains, this team can score with the best of them. And one thing I know, having played on offenses that can put up points,
Starting point is 02:07:22 if you can score, you can win. So this team is dangerous. Yeah, listen, I don't know how dangerous the Cowboys are, but I know Dak Prescott gives me Freddie Cooper Bobbs. He's a nightmare for any defense. He's playing quarterback as well as anyone in the league. Like, he's decisive, he's aggressive, he's explosive. I mean, what you see with him with his timing and accuracy, he's just money good.
Starting point is 02:07:45 And I've seen 12 and 5 deck, Prescott, and I thought that was good. This, to your point, is the best I've ever seen him. And, you know, 3, 3 and 1, you're saying, how can that be really? But when you put on the tape and you watch how he's anticipating throws, he's accurate with the football, he's sitting in the pocket, he's throwing the ball down the field, he's able to throw down the numbers. And I'm saying to myself, it's almost like he's in the Matrix. There's nothing he can't do bad right now. Like everything seems good when he has the football in his hand.
Starting point is 02:08:09 And you're right, Greg. produce at a high level like this, you're not so much worried about your defense because you can win in a shootout because you're explosive. So I love Dak man. And we don't talk enough about it. Javonte Williams is a dog. Yeah. He's second in the league in Russian. And you talk about why they're so explosive because they can run the ball. Yes. Well, so quickly on the point of like 12 and 5, Dak, we've seen it. Two years ago when they led the league in scoring, CD Lamb had 180 targets. It felt like it was just like everything was just throw to CD, throw to CD. Now it's, CD and Pickins and Giovante and Ferguson is great.
Starting point is 02:08:43 It definitely feels more balanced and more sustainable. Let me just throw this theory at you quickly. So that was a weird game, right? Jaden gets hurt, misses the last four possessions with the hamstring injury. Obviously, Washington's depleted. Their top three receivers are out of the game. League average for points allowed is 23 points per game. Dallas allows 22 yesterday.
Starting point is 02:09:02 Can Dallas be a slightly below average defense and allow 24, 25 points per game? Because this is what Dallas's record is. when they allow 24 points per game since 2021. Oh, wow. They are the best team in football. If I was going to tell you that the Cowboys are going to get the 22nd best defense the rest of the year, which by the way, they're probably going to be a little worse than that
Starting point is 02:09:25 because Washington was not fully healthy. But to your point, their offense is so good, they only need to be kind of bad on defense. Yes. I just need you to get a couple stops. Right. But you know why I hate that, because if you have Michael Parsons.
Starting point is 02:09:41 Right? Right. Great. Right. You know. Right. You have Michael Parsons. This is a different.
Starting point is 02:09:47 Now we're talking championship. We're talking NFC. Right. We're talking a whole different. Right. But I'm just saying if they can figure it out. Yeah. They can win a lot of games with that office.
Starting point is 02:09:57 We got a monster game tonight for the one seed, the MVP, the NFC tiebreakers. We get into it next. We're just over an hour away from kickoff in what should be an excellent game. Lions and Bucking. tonight lines need to bounce back. Baker is second for the MVP. Yeah. Boys, chance is the bake show out plays golf tonight as an underdog.
Starting point is 02:10:19 Look, absolutely there's a chance. We're talking about a guy who's in the conversation leading some of the conversation of MVP. Like, yes. Yeah, we definitely know who the lions are, but I think you're right. Baker has a shot to really dethrone the lions. I think you talk about their light in the secondary, but what I love about Baker Mayfield, he's gritty and he plays with a lot of heart. This team rallies behind it.
Starting point is 02:10:41 you can put on a show so it's it's a pop pool. Well, and I know it's, we do the MVP every week, Brutus is about, whatever, but like, there's only so many times primetime national TV. Exactly. And an underdog. Like the lions are at home. The lions are supposed to win this game.
Starting point is 02:10:57 Yeah. If Baker goes out there and Abuka is playing, which helps. But if Baker comes out and out plays him tonight, it's a game we'll remember eight weeks from now. Statement game. Statement game opportunity. And tiebreakers. All about making.
Starting point is 02:11:09 These things are trying to be the one seed in the NFC. That's cool. We're all over tomorrow. Watch the baseball tonight.

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