First Things First - Chiefs ‘in trouble’ after losing to Eagles, Brou grades the Cowboys, Joe Burrow injury concerns

Episode Date: September 15, 2025

(0:00) Eagles beat Chiefs 20-17, Like that Jalen Hurts isn’t focused on stats? (25:16) Brou grades the Cowboys win over the Giants, Joe Burrow injured (39:23) Ravens beat Browns 41-17, Impressive or not? (45:17) ‘Clock ticking’ on Tush Push, Lions beat Bears, What’s wrong with the Chiefs?  (01:08:33) 49ers beat Saints, Seahawks beat Steelers (01:20:29) Texans vs. Bucs & Raiders vs. Chargers previews (01:23:59) Bears loss to Lions ‘a little demoralizing’, Panic time for the Chiefs? (01:45:21) Stock Up, Stock Down: Cowboys offense, Tush Push (01:55:22) Joe Burrow toe injury, Hurts’ performance,  Steelers loss ‘good’ for them?   (02:05:53) Expect a monster game for Justin Herbert? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Live from New York. What? These guys. What happened? I mean, there were some predictions made and some predictions. I predicted that year. I mean, Brew gets to be happy today. Brew's Ravens won.

You called the Eagles Chiefs game almost to a T. You on the other hand, oddly, even though I picked the wrong team. Yeah. My Chief's Eagles prediction was closer to accurate than yours. If it were real fair or not. I added a three point deficit. Either team could win I picked Camp City. You picked a demolition.

The differential. 40 point embarrassment. This is for Patriots and Mac Jones. Oh, okay. All right. I know. I missed. You were both wrong.

Okay. All right. Fair. I thought it was going to be a big game from Jaylin. It wasn't. No, this is just Mac Jones. A Patriot specific. Oh, okay.

All right. A little bit of Cam word. He had a good play. Cam looked good. Yeah. A play. A little bit of bright. A little bit of bright.

A little bit of bright. Bryce had some good plays in a lot. They went to hunt. A little bit of Bryce. Yeah, a little bit. No. A little bit of Malik neighbors top three wide receiver. First of all, that's not even your guy.

I do. Neighbors is not. Buddy, be careful. Who was throwing him that ball? Russ is back. Oh, this guy. Wow. We might do a show that's just the intro.

You floated that wild sent a late night fever dream email that was essentially that. Like, what if we just do a did you see this? Yeah, did you see this? Hey, did you see? Did you see? All right, I'm fine. First hour, first things first. Today, uh-oh.

Kelsey drops the ball. Chiefs drop to 0-and-2. How much trouble is Kansas City in now? Meanwhile, uh-oh. Joe Borough, turftoe. News that he might be out for the year. What does this mean for Cincinnati? What does this mean for the AFC North?

And what does this mean for his career? This is a disaster. I started to feel really like a moment. emotional about it kind of. No, this is a huge bummer. Yeah. And what is it about games involving the Jags with a star quarterback? Get the guy a cart.

What? Get the guy a cart. I mean, no, the other game was in Jacksonville. This one's Cincinnati. So get the guy a cart. You are, you are on cart patrol. I am. Bondsman is back.

No, he's talking about cards. He's your quarter of a billion dollar man. He's leaping. They're awkwardly propping them up. Get him a cart. Get a cart. And finally, Cowboys win a Thriller in Dallas. Professor Bressard is here with a grade and maybe some belief in Russell Wilson as a

little bonus. It was nice to see. I'll just say that. It was, it was, Russ was, the narrative going in the game was this is going to be the last start of his career. And he threw up for 450. Like that's pretty good. Brutal interception. Yeah. Oh yeah. But still. You can, you may have thrown for 450 and lost the game. Yes, true. But he also gave him a chance to win it. He staved off Jackson Dart. Jackson Darts like, yeah. I want to put on this one. Kevin Wilde, Nick Wright, Chris Broussard.

We didn't even talk about you were in Baltimore. We're gonna get to it. We're gonna have sandwiches. Great time. But we're starting with an 0 and 2 start for Kansas City. Mahomes loses three in the row for the first time in his career. Also three straight to Jalen Hertz. Kelsey coughs up the ball on the goal line.

Seemed frustrated during the game. Here's Patrick Mahomes. After the first two weeks, you like game slip away, you know, game slip away, you know, we played two good football teams and made mistakes and big moments, stuff that we're not used to doing. But I think we're coming together as a team, man. I mean, when you deal with adversity, it's about how you deal with it. And obviously, this isn't how we wanted to start, but how are we going to respond. So I'm excited for the next few weeks to see, see who wants to be challenged and how we can get back and really get after it. Brew, Nick is still

processing this. So we're going to start with you. I was ready to go. I was going to go first. And then literally 20 minutes where the show started, I was walking around outside the studio, and I got aggressively heckled by an Eagles fan, and I now need a little more time. Like it has gotten like the mean-spirited heckling? Mean-spirited, intense, almost kind of like the vibe of it was, he wanted me to bark back and see how it would go.

So I, yeah. I was about to say, knowing you, I'm surprised you, I didn't fight. You know what? There was a show. I have responsibility. to be here on the show. But go ahead. Are the Chiefs in trouble?

Chiefs in trouble. No. I know everybody wanted me to come on here and, you know, no. Not as far as making the playoffs and still being a contender. Now, I pick the Ravens to win it all. So I don't think they're going to win the Super Bowl. But anybody that's saying, oh, they're 0-2, they're not going to make the playoffs. Oh, they're not a contender.

That's crazy. Like, so no. And here's the thing. They lost 20 to 17. to the defending Super Bowl champions who had just blown them away seven months ago. And to a large degree, I'm not going to say they gave the game away,

but they had a lot of self-inflicted wounds. First, let's go to their fourth quarter. I'm going to talk about it. They have this great drive. 17 plays, I think it was, 74 yards or something like that. They get down to Philly 6, Travis Kelsey, that's a drop. That's the catch you got to make.

Yeah. I mean, one of the best tightness ever, you got to make that catch. If they make that, well, they're either tying the game or they're going ahead. Yeah, on that drive, I'm saying if he scores, obviously, a touchdown they're up 17, 13. But at the very least, they're going to tie if they can't score. Like, if he just doesn't, it doesn't get intercepted. So that took point. And then, of course, Philly goes down and gets a field goal.

So now they go up to. And Kel, it's been a tough start to the season for Kelsey. He admitted he ran the wrong route or didn't run it right. And that's how Xavier Worthy got hurt. Now this drop. I get it that he's feeling. It's kind of like C.D. Lamb from, you know, last week. So that, but that's self-inflicted.

I mean, you don't expect him to, he's not going to keep doing stuff like that. Secondly, Mahomes, when the overthrow of Tyquan Thornton. Brutal. 344 left. I think we have it. We're going to have a show. But he, I mean, you don't get any more wide open than that. And he just flat out missed.

Were you shocked by that? I was, I mean, yeah, but I was shocked by it. But he's missed a few. Again, young season. He talked about missing grade, no agree. He missed Taiwan in the first play of the game. That one to me is not nearly as damaging because they hit it 40 seconds later. But the 40 seconds matters.

That's my point. Yeah. They came back and scored. kick in the game. Right. Yeah, exactly. So just things they, now I'm not saying they would have won. I'm just saying they were right there and they had a lot of self-inflicted ones.

And I think Nick, too, Andy Reid's fourth and one call from his own 36 and the first drive of the third quarter. I don't know what he was thinking. Andy put it on him. He was thinking that they needed to, you know, start the drive, this half off with some momentum and do well. And he obviously also was thinking they'd get it. Would you like to go KW? Because I think you're probably at least a little more concerned than Brew is. Yes.

The problem is these chiefs don't look like the chiefs that I fell in love with. I think the offense obviously is strange. I think the vibe is very strange. I thought the free four shirts before the game with Ritchie Rice, when he didn't appeal a suspension, I thought it was odd and it seems to be a – I read that as a lack of focus, not – support for Rishi Rice.

I feel like the Mahomes overthrow was just so uncharacteristic that it struck me as odd. I think that Kelsey, people drop the ball. Kelsey being, everyone drops balls. It's not a big deal. Kelsey being frustrated throughout the game seemed odd. Chris Jones' conversation with Jalen Hertz when he kind of is talking about stats rather than winning seemed uncharacteristic of a champion and a future Hall of Famer like Chris Jones.

So the whole thing struck me as odd. That being said, there is a path. Started 0 and 2 after losing the Super Bowl in the last 20 years. It's the Chiefs this year. We don't know their record. The Bengals made it to the AFC Championship game. And the 15 Seahawks did go 10 and 6, lost in division a round. So I don't think the normal 0 and 2 stat, which is, I think 12% of teams make the playoffs.

And remember, there's 17 games now. Yeah. So I still think there's a pass. But if this Chief's team doesn't have... No, listen, it hasn't looked... It hasn't looked right. Mahal's not playing well. Kelsey's not playing well.

I mean, I get what you're saying, but I just think I'm talking about them making the playoffs. And if you take it to O and two teams that made the playoffs the previous year, which means you're removing the O and two teams that were bad, the previous year and then bad again, since they've expanded the field, it's five out of 12. So, you know what I mean? So that's almost half.

So like the, and so I, so here's the deal. Kansas City is in some trouble, okay? They are, because they are going to have to really fight until they get their weapons back and even getting their weapons back doesn't fix the following. They right now, the only way they can effectively run the ball is Patrick. And I hate that Patrick is having to do that early. I think he hates it. Listen, I have always felt his deadliness as a runner is underrated because statistically doesn't match up to the other running quarterbacks, but it's because he's so judicious with it.

And then if you look at him at his playoff running numbers. Right. He's as good as any playoff running quarterback ever. The fact that he has felt I needed to activate that immediately is concerning. The fact that he does, he has, unlike last year, an excellent so far left tackle, but he still doesn't seem to be confident in the pocket, which I think has led to some of the overthrows. You know, that part is concerning. The defense's inability, and I thought the demons played great yesterday, but the defense's inability to generate a pass rush without sending the blitz, sending the house. You know, that part to me is concerning and how difficult the early season.

and schedule is with Rice suspended. Like, they are, oh and two, you can come back from. One in five's tough. And you know what I mean? And I'm not predicting one in five. But two and four, I wouldn't even be all that worried because I saw them. They could be two and four, too, when you look at the schedule. Yeah, two and four is on the board.

At this point, and it's crazy to say this as the chiefs guy, I'd sign up for three and three, which it's only crazy to say because historically I'd never sign up for any loss in any of these games. So because I think Patrick has played better than his stats show, but has not been peak Mahomes in either of these games. And I think I believe in the infrastructure. I believe in the team. And you guys know my darkest of moments.

I like to check, see what Vegas is saying. Sure. The fact that they still have the fifth best odds to win the Super Bowl, third best odds to win the AFC, which is, again, it's gotten bigger, the gap between Baltimore and Buffalo is still there. All makes me feel better. The other thing is this.

though, bro, and this is one of the reasons I wanted you to go first because I didn't want to derail the conversation. None of what we've talked about is the story of yesterday's game. Because the story of yesterday's game is a pretty important seminal moment. My goodness gracious, we've got... Because I remember vividly in the first game of Joanne Taylor's careers at chief, Thursday night football, standalone national TV. Chris Collinsworth was like, this guy jumps too often. it and the whole world saw it and the whole league saw it.

Well, thanks to the great Tom Brady and the great Dean Blandino, who I got to see briefly in Kansas City, they shined a spotlight on what all of us have known for four years. Not only is the tush push an ugly, ah, play, they jump on it every damn time. Well, we'll show. Well, let me, when they don't jump on it,

it's not quite as effective. And when they do jump on it, it's unstoppable. And yesterday's game will be known as the day the Tush Push died. So I'm, listen, rest in peace, Tush Push is you've had a hell of a run. And you're going to be allowed to continue the rest of the year. It's not quite RIP. It's more of like it got diagnosed with a horrible terminal disease. Here's the thing.

When it is the play you go to on fourth and short, fourth downs that you would never, otherwise do, a false start absolutely kneecaps you. You know what? They all of a sudden aren't in that. And when you saw yesterday and they did a good job on the broadcast of pointing it out that and I'll show you two tush pushes with obvious false starts and I'll show you one without one and you see if you can tell me the difference between them. What you'll see is, Dust, if we can run it, please.

The first one is the one Brady was furious about both guards jump. That's the one they got the touchdown. Correct. Both guards jump. You have no shot. Another one was the right guard jumped. They end up thinking they get the touchdown. They don't. And then if we can show you the one that the chiefs actually stop. Oh, no, that's another one where the guard jumps. My apologies. We can show you what it looks like when nobody jumps. And that's the one they didn't get any yards on. They ended up having to run it again. Now, even in those, the center is lined up ahead of the ball, is against the rules, but fine.

But this, listen, Jalen is great at it, the Eagles offensive line is great at it, and it is effective no matter what. It is only unstoppable when the guards are getting the early jump and you have got no shot. You at least have a puncher's chance if it's officiated correctly, and the Eagles have been living on the fact

that they don't get called for that ever. And the fact that after that brew, after the chiefs called their attention to it, both these guys jumped. They did it again later and guys jumped. And it like I think, or I'm sorry, the guys didn't jump to me was a signal. They knew, okay, for this game, the rest might be looking for it. So I think that's noteworthy.

Well, so, I mean, I'm assuming you haven't done this, but I just, I agree yesterday, they were jumping. But to say that that's really the reason it's been effective over the last few years. I mean, I would have to see, look at them more. Like, I don't think that's true. True. Is the way they line up is against the rules. The center, like the sinners head.

Like all the time? Every time the center is in front of the ball. I mean, you ask the league. We may have hit a turning point where now the officials pay more attention to. The letter of the law. The same thing with the Joanne Taylor. Like a bunch of tackles start a tick early or line up a little.

But once he got the focus on it, And I think that's really damaging for your ears. I've been a guy that's been like, look, as long as the Eagles do it great, but other teams are failing at it, just keep it because they're the only team that's so successful. But yesterday was, I agree, in my mind, it was like the first time I've watched it, like, I'm kind of tired of them going for it. They've done it six times. All right.

Just just show the Vikings one real quick. Oh, geez. We don't know. No, no, no, just if we could. just because to and just look at how they're lined up and how they get off the ball. If we just see it, the center is not ahead of the ball, no one jumps early.

Now they screwed it up on their own. But my point is that doesn't look pre-snap-wise the way the Eagles one looks, which is my point. Like the Eagles have perfected what they're allowed to get away with. And I've never on this show ever complained about officiating, and I won't ever do it. I'm not even complaining about yesterday. What I'm saying is I think now they are going to be.

under a closer eye, and I think that matters. I think this will be the last year to Tush push. I definitely think it's the last year to push. He's going to run the sprockets off of it. It also, even by the letter of the law, still be effective, but we'll see. Interesting moment, speaking of the lines,

at the end of the game, Chris Jones and Jalen Hertz having a somewhat friendly conversation about stats versus quarterback wins. Take a listen. Okay, brew your reaction. Look, at first let me say Chris Jones. I think I think he's saying there, at least what he's feeling is our defense played well.

Like I think that's what he's saying. We held, y'all got 40 on us last time. Now we held you to 20. So I think he's saying that's what he's thinking in his mind. That's why he's talking trash even though we're about to lose. Jalen, you threw for a hundred, you had 116 total yards, threw for 101. I think he had like a 78 pass or rating. against a team you had scored 40 on, like months ago.

You didn't look good against Dallas. And you're talking smack? Well, he's not allowed to. I don't like that. He wasn't talking smack. I love it. I get wilds every single time. I love it.

How did you not take a laugh, bro? Because I'm an actor. That's why. Y'all got to stop dissing me like I don't know how to act. Bro, I do believe you know how to act. But I also know that. you and do the show with you. You're interrupting him.

I didn't know. I thought it was insane. You can't even. Because I'm nice. You can't even let Rick get his single shot. I'm a sex being up in here. Because you won't shut up and get the bit. I thought it was a bad day.

You can't blame. I mean, the way out. The, the tone. I'm sitting next to Denzel Washington. Of sports media. All right.

Go ahead. Look. Jalind. He's a winner. This is. This is why I keep comparing him. I'm comparing to Terry Bradshaw and Draymond Green. Like his legacy is not going to be. Wow, he threw for 5,000 yards this season.

He threw for 45 touchdowns. His legacy is going to be this dude is a winner. And he showed you that cares about the stats. We won. Sure guy. Dusty, the graphic. We're back. Oh, we have some movement.

Matt McHugh. Wow. Look, this, I agree with Brew, obviously. This is all that he cares about. And the numbers are wild. He has a total of 253 air yards. It's 12 more than Jake Browning, who just started playing the other day. So the fact that. And where the passes show while you're talking does,

throw up his passing chart from this game. Because it's also where, like what they're doing, where they're throwing is jarring in how conservative it is, I would say. The question I have for this, and I will go to the mattresses saying, this is all that matters, is Kevin Petulah's offense a little more, you know, grinding the gears of what we saw Kellynne Moore do? And even though Jaylon has had a new offensive coordinator almost every year, is this offense going to eventually fly or we're just going to have to grind out every game? Because a little bit, this is a great take, even though it's against my thesis.

This is a great take. Right now, this year's Eagles teams has a little bit of last year's Chief's team. You know, if C.D. Lamb catches that, it could go another way. If Travis Kells, we've had a lot of just fortuitous things happen. Winning is a skill. But fortuitous things have happened. I would like a straight up. Can I add to it?

Hold on. Before you add to it, Brew. Point differential. Go ahead, brew. That's your take? Remember, this is how they were winning the year after they lost the Super Bowl. Yes. When they were sitting in one, everybody was like,

KW, you are allowed. We've talked about it, and I've just decided I'm going to be okay with it. You are allowed to go on Bill Simmons podcast and present my takes as yours. You said that Eagles feel very cheap. What you can't do is take something I said to you in person three hours ago in your shared office. I said and I quote. What? I was like the Eagles threw two games.

It feels a lot like and the way they're being discussed, it's last year's chiefs. Yeah, they won, but they put a loss. That was, you did not tell. You may have David Beckham made it up stairs. You're confused. You did not tell that to me. Okay, that's fine. It's, you know what?

You're right, K Wilde. Even though when you were saying it, you were like, wow, I just thought of this. It sounds like someone else's stake, which is why I'm going to say. Because a diss to the chief. You wouldn't say that. Okay, that's fine. But here's the other thing. They beat the Chiefs close.

They didn't. Now, Dallas was close too. Dallas isn't like a joke. Drunk. No, it's fine. I'm not worried about. Here, listen. One thing on the quote and the other thing on the bigger discussion.

Before I have Chris. before I am willing to say Chris was just unprompted talking trash and we're not going to get this. I think that's fair. I would like to know what prompted that. I think that's a good point. I don't think it would have been from jailing. Remember they were just coming out of a hug.

It might have been the whole game. No, but I'm saying or and also did an offensive lineman who? Somebody said that Chris Jones. Oh yeah, no, he is. I understand. But what I'm saying is did an offensive lineman say something about them you know, moving up and

the field and he's like, man, you didn't even have 100 yards. And then Jalen jumps back in and says, yeah, but we won the game. Like that's, so I just, we're getting half of a conversation, not a whole conversation. That's first of all. But that's, it's fine. The second of all, though, if this is though the way they're going to play, then, and this is frustrating for you, I think, there is a ceiling on where Jalen Hertz is going to get to in the quarterback conversation you love to have.

much. And that's the cost of doing business. Like the, again, Brew, if they reel off, you know, a dynasty or if they, you know, it's a different story. But you wanted this game, in theory, to maybe be a Jalen Hertz coronation game. You wanted us to. It would have felt like it. Right, that if they did what you said they were going to do and score 40 and he looks awesome, that we have a conversation about, hey, why isn't he the best quarterback in football? But when we see them win a game that way, and Jalen, by the way, to his credit's okay with it, he's just not going to get the bump

that I think you want him to get. And I think that, by the way, is fair. I don't think that's unfair. I think that's totally like that. You don't get everything in life always, and if this is what's best for the team, so be it. But it's just the reason I wanted the passing chart is I don't know if it's in dust, if we have it, great,

if not I'll describe it. It's a lot of dots very close to the line of scrimmage. It's either, they're calling a game that doesn't show trust in him, or he is just saying, you know what, I don't need to take any chances. No, you know what I mean? There's no chance right there. We don't turn the ball over and control the clock.

Yeah, then whatever. Give it to Sequin. Yeah. Trust the defense and push push. We're going to beat, you know, the former champs in their building. Like, yeah. Okay, let's do that. Okay, so be it.

Yeah. But it's hard to become the best quarterback in football. On first things first, you're going to, on Tuesday, you're going to, on Tuesday, you're to be down the mountain. No, he's not down the mountain. He hasn't gone down the mountain, but you wanted it at the top of the mountain. Well, now he's got to keep going. Well, we'll see.

He's going to move up. We'll see. He has to move up. Coming up next, we didn't talk about Joe Burrow. We're going to put him in the show. We'll do that next. And what grade will Professor Brousard give the Cowboys after a thrilling game? That's next on First things first.

F has one of the Fox Sports Channel on the Sirius X-Exap. You're great, dude. What do you want me to do? You're so good. Podcast has been excellent recently, and Giannis just. been crush on the YouTube and all of our social media. So if you get a chance, please subscribe. Right now we're talking about the Cincinnati Bengals who did win the game, but they lost their franchise quarterback. Turf Toe will need surgery. Some reports say three months. Some reports say done

for the year. It's the latest injury to sideline borough. In 2020, of course, it's the knees, six games, wrist, seven games. He's also had a few maladies that like sideline. them for preseason games. Cincinnati went 4, 11, and 1 in 29, 8, and 23. How concerning is this for Joe Burrow? It's devastating. And it's now two injuries that are incredibly rare for the quarterback. So the wrist injury is like, remember when he was like,

oh, he's got to talk to like baseball teams about that one. He obviously came back from that fine. Like he had the best passing year of his career the following year. And turf toe to this degree, again, I'm basically. this off, Bru and my's mutual, you know, friend Dr. David Chow who said that for a quarterback to have to have surgery for turf toe is

incredibly rare. And sadly, coach, it also felt to me watching this game incredibly inevitable. Like I, going into the year, the conversation on the Bengals was simply, is the devens going to be any better? And I

you know, not so quietly try to be like, man, that offensive line wasn't great last year and I think it got worse. And in week one against Cleveland, he got battered. And in this game, he was getting battered. This wasn't one hit. And when you combine his own immobility compared to the other top quarterbacks with the fact that he really does want to stand in the pocket and hunt for deep shots. You know what I mean? He's not doing what, to be totally clear. Patrick did last year, which is, I'm getting rid of the ball. I'm protecting myself like no. He is trying to navigate

the pocket. Those things plus the offensive line, he was going to get banged up. And now that it's this bad is obviously awful. And for the Bengals, it means to me, I know Browning's played well, their season's over, because I didn't believe in them if they had Burrow. And I just don't know what it means for him career-wise to now have had three very substantial injuries to three different parts of his body.

Yeah, this is so hard from an organizational standpoint. And how do you plan moving forward where your franchise quarterback three different times now has missed significant amount of time? And when you look at it, it is different body parts. And I think the easy way to view this is it's just an O line problem. But they've poured a ton of resources into the O line. And they've poured a ton of resources into this offense. And they've done everything they can to help him be as successful as he can. can and that makes a lot of sense.

But it has a little bit of a Tua-like feeling where with, well, it's just not concussion. When it keeps happening and now it's different body parts and that that was the issue with resigning to her, giving two of the big contract. There was questions about ability, but he answered a lot of those prior to the contract. Then it becomes a question of one more concussion and he's out long term. Now with Joe, it's a different body part. but it's a consistent pattern that we're seeing. So how do you plan?

How do you plan moving forward, not knowing whether or not your quarterback's going to be able to be there long term on any given season? Yeah, well, first, I'll address the Bengals, who I did pick to make the playoffs. I would think they're not going to do it now. There is a path, though. If you look at their schedule, like they're already 2 and 0, thankfully for them, but they got Minnesota, Denver.

Those are winnable now. We might not have thought so. before the season. By the way, Minnesota, J.J. McCarthy out this week with an ankle injury. So that's going to be the Carson with Jake Browning. That's a winnable. Denver's winnable.

If you split with Pittsburgh, let's just say there's a split. You got the Jets. You got Chicago, New England, Miami, and Arizona. If they won nose, but that would be 10 wins. So I'm just saying if he can come back.

Yeah, I don't think they'll make it, but I'm just saying Browning can play. Brownie's not bad. They obviously beat Jacksonville. before last year. Yesterday though, they did win. He also threw the ball. He threw what he threw. Three picks. Yeah.

Two teams. But he played well. Yeah, I mean, he's, he can win some games from him. So if most optimistic Joe gets back in three months and they're alive or maybe at the start of the playoffs, I'm just throwing that out there. For his career,

this is derailing what could be a Hall of Fame career. Maybe still will be, but I'm just saying it's already been derailed by his injuries. And I don't know, Coach, if he's injury prone or it is the offensive line. I know they put resources in it. But if you look at this, this is where he and two are different.

He's been the most, I think the most sacked. This is the most hits taken in the last 20 seasons. Well, that's a horrifying list to be on. Right. And because Luck obviously retired after six years. And this is Burrough's sixth season. Luck set out one year, so seven technically. Deshawn, I don't know if the hits took him away or the,

you know, his scandal, but he's not the same quarterback, and now you got Burrow. But he's taken, I think he's most, since he's been in the league, the most sacked quarterback and the third most hits. But to Nick's point, if you know that there's an issue, then maybe you can't hunt for those deep balls as much as you want to. And at some point, you've got to realize that your availability is more important than some deep shot.

And if you have to get the ball out a lot quicker than maybe you want to, in order to set up, you know, some selective deep shots, then that's what you have to do, because you on the sideline does nobody any good, doesn't do you any good, doesn't do the team any good, and you can be a hero and play that type of football, but it comes at a cost. And unfortunately, this cost, he keeps paying this bill over and over again.

He plays within the pocket. The quarterback, it reminds me the most of honestly, is Big Ben. You know what I mean? Which is, doesn't matter if there's dirt in his, feet, you know what I mean? Dirt's the wrong word, but you know what I mean? People at his feet or whatever it is. And, but Big Ben,

he was, that was like his superpower was how big and strong and top. It was so hard to get down. And so, listen, he has now, what, what is the movie? I think it's a baseball movie. It's obviously a baseball movie. The guy's going to become the all-time leader in minor league home runs.

And no one wants that. Bulldarm, thank you. I knew you'd know it. KW. You love sports. You love a sport. You like a sport. You're rounders.

Let me make my point. The point's important. And that was like a record you don't want to have. Joe Burrow now has a very real chance to be the only ever three-time comeback player of the year. That's a record you don't want. Right now, he and Chad Pennington are the only two-time comeback players of the year. And it's like it's a sadness, you know what I mean, that that is, that that's now where we're we're at because I think three months, you guys know what I've said about this new age NFL

media injury reporting. Escaped all injury means he misses a week. Better than expected means he misses a month. They're very concerned means he's out for the year. They're saying three months means we'll see you in five. We'll see you next season. Exactly. We'll see you.

You look at Daniel Jones. Daniel Jones gets hit as hard as anybody I've ever seen and it seemed to escape injuries. and then some other guys get in. Well, except the one, I mean, Daniel got his knee blown out, though, one of the years. But aside from that, he's played three. He's up there. He takes, I mean, like, rocky-type shots. Oh, it's just because you're share a seat with Greg, you don't have to ride for Daniel.

I was talking about his toughness. It just, it's kind of, Greg is like, like, yes. Cowboys put up 40 to survive an offensive explosion from Russ and the Giants. Cowboys Wire, a great website, called it, quote, an instant ugly classic. Dack threw the ball 52 times. Brandon Aubrey ties it and wins it with no time on the clock. Schottinheimer gets the first win. Here's Dak.

That game was the epitome of him and his coaching style, just the resiliency he has. And the way he carries himself, the way he coaches, the standard, and at the end of the day, that's winning. And that's what this game, you know, the end of it was. And credit to him, we're behind him. He deserved that first win, tough one to get. Fun one to get.

fun one to get and I know he'll never forget it I won't forget it I'm sure every guy in that locker room won't forget this one Brew week one for the Cowboys they lost to the champs and you had a long soliloquite and gave them a B so here it was offensive explosion

Professor Broussar was this week's great for the Cowboys I hate to rain on somebody's parade but look nobody thinks the Giants are any good except coach all right so I mean coach let's just Let's keep it real.

All right. You gave up how many points, 37 points to a team that scored six. What did we think might be Washington's weakness this year? It's defense. They held him to six. Russ, not only did Russ leap into the time machine, but the Cowboys drove the time machine to him. Open the door.

Russ, get in and go back 10 years. I mean, that was bad. So look, but coach knows it's better than it. anybody. A winning NFL is a winning in an NFL. I don't take that away from them at all. Maybe they could have won last week and lost his week. So one in one is good. That's what the plus is for to win. It's a C's plus. I can't go overboard. You got to almost lost at home to the giant. Where they not more impressive last week against the Eagles in losing than they were Listen, I think this is...

Hey, not the scoreboard. Brandon Aubrey was a triple plus. And the fact that Brian Schottenheimer, after just a few months around Brandon Aubrey's like, yeah, listen, it's now, if we don't get any yards, what is it from here? 67? All right, we're safely in range. Let's just run a draw play and send him out there. It's remarkable testament to him.

Dak was great. CD did bounce back. You know, I mean, coach. the thank God they didn't have Mike out there or else they might have given up more than 84 yards rushing right guys I mean I mean because my I would give the Cowboys offense an A plus the defense in F

special teams in A and so you end up with C plus problem is this the guy who owns the team gets you're kicked out of school for how this season's looked through two games I understand we cannot judge trades for draft picks until you you see what the draft picks come back as.

And that would be fine if the guy who owned the team didn't tell us, oh, no, no, no, no. This is not just for draft picks. This is for right now. This is for help us today. And I watch what Micah Parsons looks like on the Packers and what the Cowboys defense looks like, really in conjunction with what the Cowboys' offense looks like.

And I'm like, I think two things. One is Michael was holding that whole thing together with Scotch tape by himself. And the other one is, man, if the Cowboys still had that guy, even though I didn't believe in them going into this year, they could have been really good. And you punted on it. And so I'd give them if the owner gets an F, then everybody's grade drops. But I agree with you in general, bro. Okay.

So you give him the owner an F. Now, he did hire Brian Schottheimer and everybody said that was a terrible hire. What's the worst hire in the world. How could you ever do it? He looks pretty good compared to the other rookie head coaches. I mean, I think the teams played okay. Okay. He didn't make that higher, but whatever. With the kicker, here's what I'd say to Jerry.

I don't know what his cap situation is or where his contractor. Extend them. Like, send him right now. That guy is incredible. And, yeah, you can, Michael would have helped in this game. I agree. However, last week they did hold Sequin Barkley to his lowest average since he's had in 17 games. I know we're disregarding that aspect of it.

I got to tell you, I was glad you weren't here that week. I know we're disregarding that part of it. And I really appreciate the excitement that Dallas has generated. I think they've showed a ton of resilience yesterday. That could have easily been a game in the past that they lost. And you've got to give them some credit for them being able to pull out that win. And as much as you, not me, but you want to kill the Cowboys, for winning, you still have to give him credit for finding a way to win in a game that was very unpredictable from both sides.

Cowboys Bears coming up, so they can get to two and one. They're supposed to beat the Bears now, I think. Yeah. Well, yeah, bears are bears or? Right now everybody's supposed to beat the Bears. Luckily, it's Danny Parkin. By the way, coach, he has dropped Caleb like a bad half. I know.

He's so quick. Drew went to Baltimore for this game. Trevor in Canada. Trevor, he's caught. I hung out. We all hung out with the mayor of Kansas City. Brew hung out with the mayor of Baltimore. Mayor of Philadelphia.

You better call Kevin Williams. He did both. Governor of Maryland. Ravens put up 40 yet again. They get to one-in-one. Defense hounded Flacco in his homecoming. Another day at the office for Lamar. Four touchdowns, 129 pass-a-rating.

Brew, you were at the Baltimore Stadium to watch this game. Yes, shout out to Governor Westmore. He invited me to watch the game. where there he is right there in the box. Great experience. Great dude. He's built like Greg. He's like a bigger version of Greg Jim.

Yeah. But they, you know, I was talking to him about the game. And when they went up 20 to three, I said to him, I can't wait to see the fourth quarter. Because I was like, like you, I've said last week, you got 17 weeks to get your act together as far as blowing leads. And yesterday was a good test. because last year, two years ago, they were up like 17 or 14 on the Browns in the fourth quarter and lost. To the Browns. So yesterday was great.

They didn't start that well. They were slow getting going. The Brown's mistakes gave them just turn it into a route. But they helped, you know, they protected the lead and built on it. So that's a good sign for them. Yeah. I didn't love the fact that this was their celebration of their move to Baltimore. I thought it was a 30 year, a little disrespectful,

seeing that the team came from Cleveland. I was part of that first Ravens staff, so I appreciate how far they come. When you look at this game, I didn't think the score was going to be anywhere near as lopsided as it was, but there's so many good things that the Ravens did outside of offensively,

because Derek Henry really didn't have any production at all. Lamar Jackson running the ball really didn't have any production at all, But you get a block punt, that sets up a score. You get the pick down to the five, that sets up a score. You throw successfully, consistently against tight man-to-man coverage. I thought that was really positive as well. And I really like the mayor of Maryland as well. I didn't know he got his own box.

That's a pretty good thing. One of the perks. All right, I think this was a sneaky, wildly important game for Baltimore. and I actually like that they were able to do what they did without Derek Henry doing what he did in week one. As great as Derek Henry is, I don't want to say it's not sustainable for Derek Henry rip off these 30-yard runs. He's been doing it for a decade,

but it feels like you can't build that in your game plan. And so the fact that Henry had, I'll just go ahead and mark it down, what will be his worst game of the year. And they didn't start off incredibly high. and they found other ways to impact the game, I thought was encouraging. I think the fact that Jayaer Alexander was healthy-ish scratch. Like he wasn't listed on the injury report, but he didn't dress, but they're like, it is injury-related.

I didn't totally understand. And the other guys in the secondary stepped up, I think is important because you guys know going into the year, I'd said, I don't think you rely on Jaira-E-R-Alexander to be an impact guy. So that part was good. I also have not an announcement to make, but a preview. He's a Ravens guy.

No, I'm not a Ravens guy. What day is tomorrow, KW? I don't know. Tuesday. Thank you, Brew. I thought you were talking about. What happens on Tuesdays? Moly Mahomes Mountain, obviously.

We could have a little movement at the very top. Can I show you a graphic? We could. Listen, let me just, the... You saw the last... Blow your mind. The things pulled last week to keep Mahomes. Yeah, but it was...

Listen, well, During the regular season over the last few years, Lamar has proven, statistically and from all, statistically he's the best quarterback in the league in the regular season. And from a winning perspective, only Mahomes has been better over the last few years. And now it's, you know what I mean? Mahomes seemed going to like it. So go ahead, KW.

This is from NFL on CBS Twitter's account. I saw this. I was like, huh, that's a pretty efficient statistic. Lamar's currently the all-time leader in NFL history and passer rating. and he also has the most rushing yards. And then from next gen, all four of his touchdowns in this game were over 10 air yards. He leads the league in touchdowns over 10 air yards. Like this year or just like since the start of last year.

He's got 34. Burroughs in second has 22. So this idea that's like, ah, Lamar, you know, he's a hybrid quarterback, but not a true passer. I feel like that narrative is so stale at this point. And the numbers are starting to become so overworked. overwhelmingly in his favor. I don't, listen, I don't, I think he is a hybrid quarterback in the best way imaginable. Yeah.

And I think part of what gives him, what lends to his success as a passer is that people are still so terrified of him as a runner. You know what I mean? But so I think it's a little bit of both. My favorite throw, the DeAndre Hopkins sets down to me, I thought was impressive. Yeah. And I think that's also a really good sign for Baltimore as well. If Hopkins keeps producing like that, I mean, this is, I thought that was a great throw

and a great catch against press man to man. And I think he changed, I think he might have changed the call at the line of scrimmage when they saw a press cover. It seemed like it, not 100% sure. And Hopkins, by the way, would have had another deep touchdown, but he was ruled down at the inch line. You know what I mean? So, yeah, Hopkins has now made three huge plays for the Ravens,

which is two more than he made in his year in Kansas. Ravens host the Lions Monday night. How where each of the chief be? That's next. The top of the hour, first things first. Live from New York, it's a show that I told you to believe in Mac Jones. You okay with that one? Well, sure, today, yeah.

That's right. Second hour of first things first. Coach out here grinding statement. Today, too much push? Is this the beginning of the end for the most efficient play in all of football? Just, just efficient. appreciate it correctly. That's all.

Cry about it. You can't have this take. What do you mean? I'll tell you in the second. Meanwhile, what did the cowboys prove in their explosive win over the Giants? And why did coach spend so much of our valuable airtime convincing us that the Giants' defense was going to be great? Some of us went on to fan duel. The only game show.

Only game two. I went out to Fan Duel and said, I'm not going here. I'm going to draft game. Only game two. Meanwhile, right now we're talking about the Chiefs. They dropped to 0 and 2. Mahomes loses three straight for the first time in his career. Last time the Chiefs were 012, 2014.

Yeah, Andy's first year. The last six times they were over two, they missed the playoffs. That means. Well, Fox NFL tweeted and I wrote it down. Here's Andy Reid. Brody Croyle was the quarterback. I'll take full responsibility for that game. Probably say too aggressive on that, and that's my responsibility.

It's important against that crew that you stay aggressive. I probably could dial up some different things there. But I think against them, you've got to do that. Dial it up. What's wrong with the Chiefs? Right now, a handful of things. And this isn't a spot you want to be in. Week one, I said the thing that concerned me was their overall past defense.

In inability to generate a pass rush, and ability to, you know, cover on the back end. I can't really even definitively say if they got better at that this week because Philly was not interested in throwing the ball down the field at all. So I don't know, you know, was that because guys recovered? It's just not what they want to do. And the way they generated a pass rush this game was send everybody. You know what I mean?

Which actually has been a pretty decent strategy against the Philly offense specifically, but against other quarterbacks, that can really burn you. So, you know, that's a concern. I think right now, for reasons I don't totally understand, they have the least effective running game in the league. Just like the, if you remove, and the numbers totally back that up if you remove Patrick running. Yeah.

So like they have been, and I hate seeing Patrick run the ball in September. Never seen it. Don't want to see it. Part of what I think has made him, part of what makes him so, special is that he always has. One of the reasons looking for like this, he gets so much better in the playoffs, even though he's been so good in regular seasons,

is he's had this thing in his back pocket all year that he saves for the playoffs. He is now activating it because what he is seeing is, we're not having any success moving the ball otherwise. So, you know, that's a short list, and I could go deeper. Do I think it all gets fixed? by rice and worthy coming back, worthy first and then rice?

No, I don't think that all gets fixed. Do I think a lot of that gets fixed by that? Yes, I do. And do I think that there is the silver lining, if you will, is I think that the chiefs have played poorly overall in huge stretches of both of these games. And yesterday's game, I think they should have won if they didn't shoot themselves on the foot. And week one, they could have stolen. You know what I mean? And so, like, that's where I'm at on it.

But this is, this isn't a team right now that looks scary. What's scary about them is who they are and the fact that they play in the Super Bowl every year. And they're still holding a Super Bowl this year. But right now, it's fair to criticize them from that performance because that was a winnable game at home that they wanted. And, again, it's sister's probably saying they gave it away. But you had the balance. Yeah, it was in the balance. you could have taken it and they didn't take it.

Yeah, I think it's way too early to write the Chiefs obituary. And let's be realistic about this game. So first of all, the first two games, they've lost by a combined seven points. Great points. Against a playoff team and against the defending Super Bowl champions. Okay, in this last game, they miss a field goal early by Butker, so that's three points. They get stopped on fourth and one, which then leads to a field goal at the end of the half. So there's another three points.

Kelsey drops the ball. That's in the red zone. gets returned to the 40, that leads to a touchdown. That's a 10-point swing. They can't run the ball. We've talked about that. That's something that can be improved with a, they're going to have to commit to it more than they have,

and I think they should commit to it more than they have, because he's getting pressured 12 times the first week and 11 times this past week. Okay, that's the level that Mahomes has been pressured, which is one of the higher rates in the league. But to me, the biggest problem is on third down. They're 26 in the league right now on third down conversions, which, again, it's addressable. It's fixable.

Do I think they're going to be top five in third down? No, but they can be a lot better than they are. Even last year when the offense struggled, the one place they were great was third down. Yeah, so it's not like they don't know how to do it. It's not like they haven't been successful at it. They're not doing it very well right now. So as much as everybody is hoping and dreaming that the chiefs, are dead. They played two really good teams. They lost two one-score games, which historically they've won,

but that's not a sustainable formula. The fact that they won that many games in a row, to me, is amazing. So you better hope that you can kill them before they get to the playoffs, because if this team gets in the playoffs, we can say what they want, but you don't want that dude lining up in the playoffs because you're in trouble. I'd also like them to force a turnover. It's been a while since the chief's forced a turnover, which would be helpful. Go ahead. Go ahead. No, I agree, Coach. I mean, I think they're still going to make the playoffs and are a contender for the Super Bowl. So I think they're fine in that regard.

But I think their biggest problem right now has been the – and you guys mentioned offensive things. Yeah. Like the defense obviously wasn't great in the first week, but they gave up 27 points. Like, you can win when you hold a team to 27 points, particularly if you got my Holmes and Kelsey. Then yesterday they held them to 20 points. Like so the defense, the offense just hasn't been what we've expected or what we thought, like we're talking about light show. It obviously hadn't been close to that. And I got to say it, I don't think Mahomes is playing well throwing the ball.

He's playing well overall because of his running. Like he's running well, but most of his great plays are runs. The second throw, the touchdown, the Taekwine Thornton was good, but obviously missed him before that. And these are Mahomes' ranks right now, stats and ranks in the league as far as passing. Like, I mean, that's just completely unpatrick Mahomes. Like, even last year. Like, last year's numbers were way better than that. And we know he came into this season, like, it's going to be different now.

And we also recognize that the charges were one of the best teams' defensive in the NFL last season. And Philadelphia was one of the best teams in the NFL last season. So it's not like he's playing. But he is Patrick Mahomes. And he also, to Bruce's point, you know, missed his first real pass of the game to Noah Gray, missed the one wide open Taekworn Thornton that you get over it because he then made it to Taekwan Thornton that still costs him 40 seconds. Listen, I thought he played really, Bru and I kind of disagreed on this, I guess. I thought he played really well in week one.

I thought yes. But wasn't his running? Yes. And I get it, that's a part of it. Yeah. But that, I think he's been running it really well. I don't think he's been throwing it at. What I was going to say is I thought in week two, he, I thought he had some moments but didn't play as well as he didn't week.

I think for the first time and a long time, Patrick Mahomes was pressing. I think that game was really important to him. And the reason that he ran the ball the way he did yesterday and lowered his shoulders was because of how important that game was to him. and typically nothing good comes from when you press, but he wanted to avoid the three-game losing streak. He wanted to avenge the Super Bowl loss. The game was at home. For the first time in a long time, I watched a game where I thought,

oh, he's impressing, and that's not who he is. He doesn't need to. So that might be the answer that I was looking for on the Taekwon-Whornt-N-Miss. I don't think when you look at his stats, that every miss is the same. I felt like this Taekworn Thornton miss was a quarterback throwing the ball that I just don't recognize. The old Mahomes, and we have the graphics and the long shots. It makes it a thousand out of a thousand times.

He always hits that. And then a few plays later, he did hit it. But this one struck me as just strange. So maybe, and I was looking for an answer and maybe it's pressing. Otherwise, like what's sort of flow is like, is he hurt? Like, you know, those are the first thing. when people start to do uncharacteristic. You're saying with him running now, I mean, that's in the same ball.

He's frustrated. But Nick talked about it. He typically runs in the playoffs when it's crucial. And that's why when I saw him run as much as he did and do the things he did when he was running with the ball, it felt like this game to him is more important than most of the regular season games that he plays. Three games, your running backs are running backs below. 120 yards in the last three games, including the superman. But this year, he's their leading Russia by 76 yards.

Yeah, yeah. Nobody else has 50 yards. And nobody can have a long run. Like, no, that part's really frustrating. With all that said, and I'm curious, like, KW. Yeah. I won't use this against you in the future, I promise. Yeah, I agree.

I felt that entire game that Kansas City was going to win until. The Kelsey interception, actually, that's unfair to Travis. The interception off. Yeah, it was the Mahomes interception. You guys understand. In that moment, I'm like, oh, my God, they're not. But, like, the pacing of it was, to me, felt like a lot of Chiefs games last year where it was like they don't look, you know what I mean?

They don't look good, but they are going to find a way to be right there. What I wanted to ask you was, as someone who had a lot of take capital built up in this game and all of it, were you, did you feel the opposite? I never felt like the Chiefs were going to win. Okay, that's what I was won. It's weird. And that's like a lot of,

I know this is not like savvy analysis, but it's, it reminds me of like, and I want to be like, hey, this fighter can still knock you out. Like, it just didn't,

it didn't feel like, I, a little supernatural funky. I was similar to that. I felt the Chiefs, I was a little surprised it was that close. I picked it being 10,

I mean, 10 didn't the blowout. I never felt like the Eagles, I thought the Chiefs had a chance. I was like, okay, they're right there, but I felt confident the Eagles were going to win that game. Lots of tush pushing in the game. Eagles ran the play 11% of the time. Chris Jones was not happy.

Here he was after the game on the tush push. Take a listen. You know, sometimes can't get them all the calls right. And just because we see it, sometimes the official is 15 and 20 feet away. Sometimes it can miss those. small things and we think he jumped multiple times. So an official didn't see it so it wasn't called and you know we just got to go play the nest down.

All right, listen. You guys know I have for the eight years of this show, I don't complain about officiating. And I'm not complaining about officiating. The Chiefs lost that game because the greatest tight end I've ever seen and universally regarded top three tight end ever. dropped a ball. And by the way, that he dropped a ball in week one, you know, says he ran the wrong route

and week one, Xavier got hurt. It's been a rough open season for that. You guys also know that well before the Eagles were the Chiefs rival, well before they had played in any Super Bowls, well, certainly years before they had ever beaten the Chiefs in a Super Bowl, I've hated

this play. True. I have said, I think that it's not a football play, it's bad for TV. Roger Goodell agrees with 22 of the 31 other teams in the league agree with me. We now know Tom Brady seems to agree with me, and Dean Blandino definitely agrees with me. What I would ask of the league is if there is a play that is controversial enough

that you have two separate votes on whether or not you should allow it, and more than half of your league says no, make sure you're not only allowing it, but allowing them to run that play with more leniency in the way. the rules than any other play of the game. Sure. The center is not allowed to have his entire shoulders and head in front of the ball any snap of the game except for the Eagles when they run the tush push.

Guards, you get a false start for being a tackle that does this. Guards firing off the ball a half second before the play is not allowed in any play of the game except this. and it is already hard enough to stop, where it becomes impossible to stop, is when it is run that way. And I think that's the frustration, and I do think, Coach,

that because Brady pointed it out and then Blanino talked about it, that we might see, for the first time in years, referees properly officiate this play, which we just haven't seen done. Well, the fact that they, commissioner doesn't want it and they were so close on the vote before what's going to get this out of here is the officiating angle is because now people are saying this is too hard to officiate so it's not

going to be that this is an unfair advantage for the Eagles or that the Eagles run it really well so everybody else complains about it because they can't stop it the angle is going to be it's too hard of a play to officiate so therefore we have to move on from it and that's how I think they're going to end up That's a far better angle than initially. I thought strategically it was the wrong play. We're like, it's a safety issue. And you're like, well, here's the data on the safety. And so you can't, that ground is gone.

But that angle where I felt like there was another play where like it's too hard to officiate. I wish I remember what. The officiant angle is how. But that will work as a strategy. I agree. I mean, yesterday was the first. I mean, I didn't like when the playoff game last year. NFC championship game.

Franklin Louvo was just jumping over. I mean, that was a bad look. And the referee had to be like, we will award a touchdown for a helpably unfair act. So that was a bad look. This was a bad look. Usually, you know, I'm like, look, if you can't stop them, but you stop the bills when they do it,

you stop whoever else when they do it, then you shouldn't do it. You shouldn't eliminate it just because the Eagles do it so well. But I agree with coach and Nick. Like, yesterday was a bad. look, it's tough to officiate. And also it's tough. Some of the other players are like this at times,

but where the ball, like, I thought, I thought Hurts scored the first time. But who knows? I mean, you just, you can't tell. And the chiefs thought he fumbled at the end. Yeah, yeah. It's just, but again, like, if you. I'm surprised more defensive linemen

haven't fired off early and just blown up the center. Like multiple times just blown up the center to the point where they're like, oh, I thought he snapped it. Yeah. You know, because they were trying to punch the ball. Well, I'm just saying on the goal line there. There's no, there's no penalty for it.

They run out the half of the end. So I'm surprised this don't keep blowing it up. Tell you why I thought that it's an opportune time for you to say this. Whatever you want. When we were in Kansas City, you did an excellent job. Oh, thanks. And you did an excellent job specifically in getting the crowd riled up. Oh, he did.

And one of his applause lines was like, sorry. but they don't change the rules like they do with the bills. It was a great line. But the Chiefs aren't the ones pushing for this. The Eagles were the, I'm sorry, the Packers were the ones pushing for this. Yes. And the, no, I think the Chiefs were one of the 22 teams that voted against it. I would agree with you, I don't want the NFL to ban it tomorrow.

Like, I don't want them after this game to ban it. What I'm saying is, I just wanted them ban it before the next time. No, listen, I wanted them to ban it immediately. I just think the brood disagrees with me on it. I think it needs to be banned in large part for the two reasons of. If everybody got good at it, it takes away one of the most exciting plays in football. And if the Eagles got better at it, and instead of getting two yards every time they got four, and they just, like, it is on the board that the Eagles have done that.

Like they have a push-push-push variant, the same exact thing, and they get four yards on it. they're waiting for the playoffs. Well, they did it more. They did it more. What are you going to do? I thought they, yesterday they did it more than I usually recall. And it did on third down. You know, you're doing third.

Well, because the offense wasn't really effective yesterday. Yeah, yeah. So that's what he used to do. We're going to bully you. Last week, the story about the Lions offense was that, you know what? Against the Packers, look like they missed Ben Johnson. This week, not so much. Lions put up 52 points on their old O.C.

and celebrated by mocking one of his famous play designs. Brian Brent said the Lions were personally motivated. Take a listen. Very motivated. We know coming into this game that this is personal, really all these game personals. But this one was just, we felt like we've been, you know, betrayed it. From the staff to the players.

And, you know, we love Ben. We still love Ben. He's a great, you know, coach. He's a great mastermind, but yeah, it was time to get out there. He could have wear anywhere else, but he got to see us again. What was the bigger story here? Lions win or the Bears' loss? Listen, Bears' loss is a real big problem for first things first Bears

and Caleb guy, Danny Parkins. That's not my problem. I told you, Coach. This is not my problem anymore. The bigger story is the Lions getting their swagger back, at least temporarily. I don't think the Bears falling to 0-and-2 ends their season. I think that if you thought the way, yeah, I mean, I think that people thought the Bears were going to lose. When the schedule came out, we thought the Bears were going to lose this game.

And you know what I mean? And so I don't think that ends their season. And I actually thought Caleb played fine. I think he played great. I think like we said, the Caleb this year is going to be a work in progress that you hope peaks at the end of the year. But there was real concern about Detroit. Like, right? You know what I mean?

And it felt to me like that concern had gotten even to where Dan Campbell was, I don't want to say on edge, but even more, you know, caffeinated than usual. And so the fact that they hung 50 and are able to say within the building, if there was any concern, hey, whatever effect that playoff game had on, Jared, that was a one-game effect. He's now back to being Lions Jared golf. Guess what? Ben Johnson was great for our offense, but you know what's really great for our offense?

Amonrae St. Brown, Jemir Gibbs, Sam Leporta, Pinae Sewell. You know what I mean? Like, we still have those guys. And so to me, the lions were teetering on the, oh, window. Yeah, they're not a real contender. And now they at least got their swaggerback, so to speak. So I think it's the lion. Can we also all remember that the Bears last year were.

five and two. They were five and two at the start of the season and the first two games they lost were close. And then the sixth game was the Hail Mary game. That team last year was rolling early. They were five and two coach or four and four and two and they would have been without the Hail Mary game. Yeah, would have been five. I'm sorry. So four and two they would have been five and two and the two games they lost were really close games. So they they were rolling in the early part of the season. So that's a concern for me. The whole revenge. angle, that's just something that they talked up in the building just to hype the guys up. I mean, the idea that you're going to get revenge because your offensive coordinator took a job

to become a head coach at the opportunity that was the best for him to be successful. Like, that's just the business. Didn't you feel like Belichick kept on running the ball against you to like stick it to you a little bit? Yeah, he had hurt feelings about it. But again, what am I going to do, not take a head coaching job in the division? You know, that's the nature of pro football. Opportunities are created. Guys take opportunities.

This was a great opportunity for Ben. But it is something that you'll use in the building to motivate your guys. Oh, everybody's saying we can't do it without Ben. We can do, you know, that's more of an angle than a real revenge factor, I think. Yeah, look, I think it's big. Both stories are big. Like the fact, because we all, I think all of us had the bears in the playoffs. And they still got a shot.

I do think they're in some trouble. They're not looking like a playoff thing. I think they're just dead wilds? Yeah. I think they're pretty, they're close to dead. Like right now I'm not thinking they're going to make the playoffs. But I'm with Nick. I think the Detroit story is bigger.

And you didn't mention this. Jared, we even, we were bringing up, Jared Goff, 317, and 1 without Sean McVeyer, Ben Johnson called in the place. So for him to go out and throw five touchdowns. And I think 300-something yards is like huge. Why are the Bears just totally done? Here are the O and two teams. The Jets, Giants, Dolphins, Browns, Titan Bears, Panthers, Saints, and Chiefs?

Yeah. A lot of those teams are bad. Yeah, I understand. But historically, two of them probably make the playoffs. Sunday, doubleheader, Rams versus the champion Eagles. And then at 4 o'clock, America's game of the week, the one-in-one cowboys, taking on on Caleb looking for his first win this year and the Chicago Bears. It's only on Fox.

No huddle time. Put your sunglasses on. Good reminder. Max back, pillow alert. Almost 280 yards. Yes, I wrote pillow alert. Did you write, put your sunglasses on like as a note to yourself, and you read it out loud by accident?

No, I was telling you that on. It was like a stage director. Wild. A lot of times the audience is like, oh, I feel like I'm at the desk. Oh, okay. So if you're sitting with your sunglasses and your first. Hey, Gianna, good idea. First thing's first like care package.

All the stuff. Oh, nice. Okay, just an idea. Let's get to the San Francisco's undefeated. Let's look at that passer rating. We've been talking a lot about passer rating. I can't see what my sunglasses. Yeah.

113. Pretty good. What did the 49ers prove? And also, I just heard from Dusty, you can't say that because, Brock's not good, and it proves that Mac Jones isn't good, and they won. You can't say that. I wasn't going to say anything other than that.

What I was going to say is that oftentimes in sports debates, coach, we are debating something that we can never actually prove. We're never going to get the perfect scenario to test out our thesis. Control. Exactly. So science is better. Like you can, you know, you set up a, yeah, well, it's better to prove things, right? Serendipitously with the San Francisco 49ers, we have gotten it.

We got to see in real time what would happen if you dropped in a quarterback that Brew and I both agree and have hours of tape of us both saying is not good. No, not good. And Brew, Brew, Brough, literally. Because, see, hold on, wait, no, no, no. No, no, you guys. He beat out Cam Newton. We can do this all with smiles, but he's going to play for another month. And I very strategically and purposefully asked you, Brew, before this year started, we both agree Mack Jones is not good, right?

And you were in lockstep with me. We got the video? No, I don't have the video right now. And what we saw was even though he didn't even have, as we would say it, many of the Avengers at all. He had Kyle Shanahan and Christian McCaffrey and it was enough for Mack Jones to look really good. It's almost as if, coach, there's a lot of quarterbacks that as long as they have a starting caliber at any point in them, if you drop them into Kyle Shanahan's system and they have just enough help, they can look really good.

And so to go back to a real argument we had, it's another reason why I would have maybe waited to pay Brock Purdy, because I think you could maybe get this level of production from a guy like Matt Jones. This is one game. Brock Purdy has done it for three seasons. Well, last season, he didn't do anything like this.

But he did it the year before. He got him to the Super Bowl. Is Matt Jones going to be top five in MVP voting? No, but is Brock Purdy ever going to be again? No, I don't think he ever could be again. No, I don't think he ever could be again. it. Yeah.

Is Mac Jones going to lead them to the Super Bowl? Well, I don't think Brock Pardy led him to the Super Bowl. He was the quarterback. He was in the Super Bowl, left the field with the lead. Yeah. You think Mac Jones could do that? Well, I didn't think Brock Pardy could do that. And I'll give you a list of names who couldn't do it.

They weren't starters. No, we're not at the Tuesday. You got to move on. No. Nick Mullings. Trey Lans. Trey Lans, who you thought was all that. Those guys weren't starters, bro.

I mean, my goodness. I thought it was a really nice game for MacDaw. Thank you. And I'm happy that he had that. And it was nice to hear his comments on it, how he got his confidence back. But to put in perspective, I imagine New Orleans is going to be in the running for the number one overall draft pick. And when you watch this game, at the end of the game, New Orleans had the ball with a chance to win. So it's not like they just went out and lit it up.

And having Christian McCaffrey is a little bit like a cheat code because you just hit the checkdown. And then he goes and does really good things. You can't say thank you to that. That's the whole point. My Holmes doesn't have anybody, and you see how he's looking out here. I mean, come on, you need help. But the whole idea of the years of arguments have been that Shanahan system plus a modicum of talent, much less an embarrassment of bridges.

That's not the case. It's just CMC. Right, and look what he did. So imagine if he had the whole. But, no, your argument has been Purdy's had all this help. Everybody needs help. Mahomes has had tons of help. I'm not saying he's as good as Mahon.

I'm just saying. He's matured just like we saw with Sam Darnold, just like we saw with Gino Smith. These guys can get better as they stay in the league law. Mac Jones played well in Jacksonville last year. He and Brian Thomas clicked. He didn't. He didn't really play that great to be honest.

He was almost as good. San Francisco hosts the Cardinals next week. I just do an host heart. If Mac Jones comes in and cooks, and plays really well. And that doesn't move the argument at all that maybe the system quarterback label is fair, then nothing will.

Drew Bledsoe was a great quarterback. What you wanted to see from Purdy was comebacks. Adversity. He did that, and I had to bring out the goal point. We got to go to the Steelers. Stealers give up 30 points. You're just looking for some weight. But we're counting on,

we're counting as part of those 30 points that the defense gave up one of the sillier touchdowns of the week when the Seahawks scored on the run. kickoff. Rogers did get picked off twice and says, you know what, this loss actually might have been good. Take a listen. No, it's week two. Come on now. Come on. Come on. Come on. It's week two. I mean, like, it's good for us. Last week, probably there's some people who were feeling feeling pretty good because everybody outside the building is talking about how great we were on offense and 34 points. That's the league. You can't ride the highs or ride the lows. You know,

You got to refocus every single week and be a professional. Interesting. You buying this was a good loss? No. No. And I also don't like, listen, if people didn't watch this game, those Rogers was not as good as those numbers, and those numbers weren't good. The numbers weren't good. But I think it was either a 46 or a 64-yard or to, I think, Jalen Warren that, you know, provides the lion's share of that.

It was a lot of nothing. and he once again got hit a fair amount. Like you guys mentioned, he threw the picks, and they need Rogers to be quite good. And because I think we now have two games of evidence that they're not going to have a top, let's just call it, five defense in the NFL this year. Yes.

I think that, and again, you're right, they have 24 points. You know what I mean? The seven on the kickoff is not on the defense at all. It's not on anyone on the team except for the kid who forgot it was a live ball. But still, the defense has not been impactful in either of these two games. And in my opinion, they haven't played, they've played two offenses that are likely to be not in the top 15. Like the Jets offense is not going to be very good. I think the Seahawks are going to be a defensive-minded team.

You know what I mean? So, like, no, I do not buy that this is good for the Pittsburgh Steelers at all. Yeah, I definitely don't think it's good. I thought Rogers, too, I thought he kind of threw Calvin Austin under the bus. Like, did you see that? You got a kid? Here's the comment on the interception. Interception in the end zone.

Here's what Rogers said. Kyle is the best kid ever, but he probably should have just stayed in the flat there. He knows it. I mean, or he was kind of stealing it from Pat or just catch it, put it away, scored a touchdown. But Cal is the best kid. And, you know, it sucks because he's such a great kid. kid but unfortunately that whole sequence you know took points off the board.

You didn't you hate that about I mean look I don't know what the but he it looks like Calvin Austin was in the way I'm just saying do you have to bring that up you know what I mean public you brought that yeah because it takes pre it wasn't my fault it was his fault but just saying it away like he's such a great kid he just it is his fault what But do you have to say it publicly? So I went through and I've read Aaron's comments. I'm like, oh, these are actually really good comments. He was talking about how they can do better on early downs.

Then it could be him. It could be one guy in the old line. And I'm like, oh, okay, these are all very reasonable. And then he started talking about, hey, thank you. Well, he's a great kid. Let me tell you how great he is. But it was also his fault and not my fault. So I agree with you.

I really was hoping that he was going to go through a whole comment. meant range without throwing anybody under the bus. But the problem they have, Rogers under pressure was three for 11 for 36 yards, one pick, a 2.8 passer rating with three sacks. So when that happens, it's like sharks to blood in the NFL. So if you have a problem with something, everybody goes after it until you prove that you can fix it. And so now when you're starting to throw, these numbers always been sacked seven times

two games, which is the fourth most. so that problem is going to continue to be given to him and so he shows he can make you pay for it. He leads the league and sacks. The No one Patriots. Is that who they play next? Yes. Steelers in Foxborough.

So it would be interesting if they can solve that, but the Patriots been getting after. No, listen, I don't, if I'm the Steelers, I have been, I have seen concerning signs, things that would worry me about Roger. ability to make it through the season in both games. Oh, that's... Even the game where they scored a bunch of points

and Rogers was throwing the ball great, he is just getting hit a ton. He is... Is it an O-line thing or a Rogers mobility thing? I think it's both. You know what I mean? I don't think they have a great O-line. I also think that Aaron...

Probably Calvin's fault. I mean, you know, I think it's a combination of all those. And I think that there's also a slight element of Aaron not fully realizing or accepting that he's not as escapable as he once was. You know what I mean? Like, it's all of those things. And the Calvin Austin thing, the only part about that that I really didn't like was, like, what's the threshold for NFL, like, how long you've been in the league or how old you are,

to are being called a kid repeatedly's insulting? Because I looked it up during the comment, I was like, man, I thought Calvin Austin was like a veteran player. And he's 26. So like it was that was the other like Yeah, but compared to No, I understand. So maybe that's what I'm a kid.

But that. I just don't think you need to bring that like just take it yourself. I mean Patrick when he was asked about the Kelsey interception just was like I threw a bad ball. Which was totally not the ball. In a meeting, Drew was calling me a kid the other day. Well, that makes sense. He's like, wow, it's a good kid. He hosted a show.

I was like, wow. Thanks, bro. Better in leadership. Guess what? Tomorrow, it's the frostiest segment in all sports. We've been promised intrigue, too. We're going to get intrigued. How you go? I don't know.

Somehow. We're going to get intrigue. Josh was at the top alongside Patrick, basically. And he didn't, listen, he didn't have a monster game. I know, but I also think he got his nose broken and just fought through it. He doesn't deserve to drop. I understand. No, Josh is up.

Jalen hurts. Come on, bro. Come on. What if Herbert is awesome. Top dog performance, sponsored by Good and Fun. You got to let the dog's dog, you know what I mean? Double-ed or a night. Bucks, Texans, Chargers at Raiders.

A lot of times you're like, Wilds, why don't you give me a straight-up who you got? No, not today. Who can prove their real Super Bowl contenders with a W tonight? One of my Super Bowl picks is in there, Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I would power rank these as Super Bowl contenders as bucks, legitimate contenders.

Yep. Chargers, potential contenders. Texans unlikely and Raiders unlikely contenders. Well, Texans unlikely contenders, Raiders, even though I believe in them, think they make the playoffs. They're not, I don't think they can have a Super Bowl shot. That's how I would do it. But I think the Bucks already are Super Bowl contenders.

I think the Chargers with a great win would be elevated to that space. That's what I would say. The Raiders are a cute story. They're not a contender. Brew's literally going to be sleeping on the Raiders tonight. That's a 10 p.m. start. 10 p.m. I think the only Super Bowl contender playing the night is the Chargers.

I think the Buccaneers are good, really good. I think, you know, they're dangerous, somewhat dangerous team in the NFC. I don't think they can make the Super Bowl. You don't think the Bucks have earned more respect than the Chargers? The Bucs have been in the playoffs and one playoff games. I just don't think they have, yeah, I don't think they're as good of a team. I think the Eagles and the Packers are definitely better. Now, I like the Ravens and Bill.

But I really respect Harbaugh's coaching and how he gets teams to be contenders pretty much right away. He did it San Francisco, and I think he's done it here. I'm not picking him to get out of AFC, but I think they're a legit contender. I don't think the Bucks, and Houston's not a contender. They're a playoff team. The charges have the Mahomes bump that what we saw in week one in Brazil, like, okay, that was one of the best. games I've ever seen Justin Herbert play. If he follows it up again with a confident performance, like, hmm.

So are we getting, did Justin Herbert make the leap? Sure. Listen, nothing to make Danny happier than that. I think both underdogs win tonight. I think Tampa, I think Tampa goes to Houston and wins the early game. I think the Raiders at home win the late game. Is that at home against the Chargers Stone? How many.

Oh, yeah. Well, that's a good question, Brew, because he needs. Raiders won in week one and Genti did nothing. And the Chargers... I think he's got a strong 41 yard. Wow, Brew is out on Ashton, Jentty. It's more the old line.

66 and a half from Hobbs, who's a Raiders fan and a bit of a... No, he's saying that's what the lines. No, I mean, Hubs is, you know, Hubs is a game with him. More first things first overtime. Coming right up at 5 o'clock, I'm going to scribble something.

I'll take over Genty 66 and a half. Over? I'll take you under... Live from New York. It's the show it's still just basking. And I mean basking. Feed up. You know what I have?

Cucumbers on my eyes and cotton balls in between my toes. Out there getting a pedicure, basking. Look at, oh, I'm Italian Riviera. What are you basking in? Classic two. Eventually right. Mack Jones is back to being a starting. So you just buried Brock Purdy?

Oh, you're saying? saying Brock comes back, but Matt plays well enough that he gets a job. Wildes is two games away from being like, you don't want to break momentum. Oh, yep. If he went three in a row, if Matt Jones was more strenuously than me against it. It's mostly an anti-Nick thing. Now, Mack Jones is where am I? Sympathies.

What's his life? Parkins picks, perfect. Hello. We're about to discuss today. You went three and oh. Oh, yeah. Oh, you didn't know? I went three and oh. You didn't get my text?

You, it wasn't a good weekend for Nick's picks. Is that in voice memos? No, but I'd like that, though. So now you're back in front, huh? That's right. It was one week. Yeah, things are coming back to the North. Steelers loss actually good.

Aaron Rogers says maybe. Meanwhile, were the Lions just trying to win or actually looking for revenge against Ben Johnson? One of the smartest coordinators, maybe in the history of football turned head coach. How those fourth and ones goes, guys, I missed them. Yeah, we'll talk about. Even Danny Parkinson's at me. I didn't see it. There was nine good games on at 1 o'clock.

I'm not Scott Hansen. But right now, Parkins' picks were perfect. Thank you. Teams where he did radio were not, although I think Syracuse might have won. Chiefs fall to 0 and 2. The Bears also lost. Chiefs winless, okay?

Alongside the following teams. The Jets, the Giants, the Dolphins, the Browns, the Titans, the Bears, the Saints. That's the company of the teams is good, Mr. Chief. Who's, that's one way to look at it. Here's Patrick Mahomes. Obviously, we never been 0 and 2, but we've had times where we've dealt with challenges before in lost games. And so I think the guys that we have in this locker room will go back to work with that mindset of we're going to continue to work even harder

so that when we step in that field this next time, we can find a way to win in those big moments like we have it this first two weeks. Panic time? Time? Anybody? No. It's not panic time. But you said last week, if they lose, margin of victory. Margin. Excuse me.

Shrinks. Margin victory also was the last year. It has been the problem. But like, they're a five-point favorite against the Giants. In New York. It would be a 10-point favorite of Arrowhead. I'll take it. Getting late early?

Getting late early. Who knows? But what happened last year for the Chiefs is just, it's not sustainable. And this is this is the game. the other side of it. Last year, they won every one score game. They won every close game. And this year, it's flipping.

We could show the history of it. What had been going on for two years was historic. This is how the rest of the NFL lives. You don't win one score games. And then when you score less than 21 points, normally you lose. They had a winning record the last two years, which is insane when they score that number points.

This year, they lose both those games. So I think this is just how the rest of the NFL lives. I think they'll be fine. They'll get Rishi Rice back. They'll get Xavier Worthy back. They'll be the team that come January, they're in the playoffs as like the five seed and we'll be like, well, no one wants to play the Chiefs. They're a dangerous team.

Like that's probably where this goes in three or four months. But for now, it's tenuous. Okay. So I don't agree it's tenuous. I don't agree that the, they literally had the longest streak of consecutive wins. and one-score games in the history of the league. So I agree that that was not sustainable. I don't know what the league average record is in games you score under 21.

I don't think 9 and 8 when you score under 21. It's a music record. Yeah, but I don't think that's that out of line. I bet the league on average wins 40% of those games and the Chiefs winning 53%. What was out of line was the one-score game results, and that's totally fair. Now, this is, I will tell you what I am concerned about, what I'm not concerned about. I am concerned about the running game. I don't know why that's going to get better.

I don't think. Pacheco has not been the same player since he broke his leg. It sucks. He was a great story of his seventh round pick. He just hasn't been the same. And Cream Hunt is excellent at getting you a yard. No, for real. Like he is a short year.

I know he failed on it one time yesterday, but he is, I trust him in third and one or fourth in one. He is going to get it. But he hasn't had an explosive run since he got to the Chiefs. You know what I mean? He just doesn't have that in him anymore. And so that is a spot of the team that they decided not to really address this offseason. That seems to have not thus far worked out.

Well, they signed Elijah Mitchell. He hasn't had a carry yet. They gave him like $2 million. And then Javante Williams for the Cowboys, they gave him $3 million. He's got three touchdowns and 150 yards. Javentz has looked good. He looks great. I like what I'm saying.

I've always liked. He was always been quiet, but he was quietly a fan. So I think that's not going to get better. I think that there is the inability to get a pass rush without sending a blitz is concerning, and that has to get better. Now, that is something that historically the chiefs have gotten better with over the course of the year, so I think that will get better. I also think Josh Simmons' left tackle has actually been really good. He has not allowed a pressure yet. It feels to me like Mahomes is not yet fully comfortable in the pocket as if,

he has a good left tackle. You know what I mean? And so he seems like he is getting rid of the ball maybe quicker than he needs to. And he needs to be, to your point, Brew, I think, better as a passer, even though he's been far and away the best part of their offense. But last year,

the Baltimore Ravens were 0-2 with a loss to the Raiders. The Los Angeles Rams were 0-2 last year. We didn't panic about either one of them. And you're moving the goalposts, though. You don't want to be compared to the Rams. You've always said the chiefs are in this other category.

The chiefs are held to their own standard. Yeah, correct. He's been known to do that. No, hold on. I am, last year, Brew's Super Bowl pick, the Baltimore Raven started 0 and 2, and at no point did Brew or I say, see, you know, all right. But we were like, this Cowboys game is a real must win. Oh, well, that's a different question.

If you're asking me, do they have to win in week three? Yes, a little bit of nervous. Absolutely. They have to win in week three in part because of who they're. playing, but also because they're O and two. Yes. But I am, I think it would be irrational to panic for two, one score losses against two good teams when you're not whole. Like I think that would be, I think it'd be silly to panic for those reasons. Yeah, we all are in agreement. No, I'm not, not time to panic. They're going to

make the playoffs. They're going to be a tough out there. A Super Bowl contender, all that. But I'm wondering why, why aren't. aren't we seeing Patrick Mahomes? The Patrick Mahomes we all grew to love. I get that you don't have Tyreek and it's not, you know, a light show and all that stuff. But he hasn't, I don't think he's thrown it very well. He's run it really well and I think that's why he's playing well. But to your point earlier, they only gave up 20 points yesterday.

You should be able to win that game. 27, Herbert was throwing it all over the field, but still you only gave up 27 points. you should be able to win that game. And even though he doesn't have weapons, we've seen him the year they won their third Super Bowl. Second Super Bowl. He won his second. Juju was like his best receiver.

So I just don't, like Danny, here are the numbers. It's two games, but still, they're not that dissimilar from last year's number. They're worse. But those rankings, that's kind of what's been happening in the last few years with my homes. I do expect them to get better, certainly when the receivers get back. but still, outside of his legs, he hasn't been able to carry them with his arms like we've seen in the past.

It's just what are they good at right now? Because that was a good game from their defense. They have an excellent run defense and they have the most talented quarterback in football. That's what they're good at. Right now, that's it. Right. But that's just, that's not enough.

A lot of teams are good at two things. Now, being great at quarterback is obviously something that any team in the NFL would sign up on. But I don't look at them right now as a given to beat, the Giants. As crazy as that sounds. It feels like they should be. That will be telling. Now, let's keep in mind they have played two really good teams.

Obviously, the best team in the league last yesterday. The schedule, though, too, like Rishi Rice will be back after six games. Even if you haven't beaten the Giants, they'll be, I think two and four, maybe three. If they're two and four, six games into the season, you're putting a lot on, hey, Rishie Rice solves all of our problems. Well, or you're putting a lot on the fact that they were three and four, six games into the 2021 season, went 12 and 5 and made the AFC championship game. You're putting a lot on the fact that we've never seen this team, you know, not figure it out over the course of a season.

And like I here, I don't think it's just you're putting a lot on Rishi Rice coming back. I think it's layered. I think it's putting a lot on getting Xavier worthy and Rice back. I think it is the fact that here's the other piece of this. Are the Eagles great? Are they? I mean, the honest question. I would say, no.

Okay, so you don't, I'm shocked, that's your answer. I'm like, I don't even disarmed by it. But let's be honest. If you guys are saying, you know what, the chiefs are 0-2, but they could be better. The Eagles are 2-0. They could be worse. Oh, sure.

Jalen is not airing it out. The defense has gone well, but these games have been what I like to call boa constrictor games. They just kind of get you and squeeze the time of possession out of you, and then it's... No, I agree with that. The point that I was making is if the Eagles are still considered, you know, a top-like contender, which they, you know what I mean, which they are. The other way to look at that game is the Chiefs without their two dynamic receiving weapons, with Mahomes not playing a great game

and no contribution from the running game were a dropped pass away from potentially beating the premier team in the league. With a missed kick. Right, with a missed field goal. Miss field goal was from 52 yards, wasn't it? It might have been from longer, actually. It just come up several times in the show

and I bit my tongue. It's like, I know it's Butker, but it's not like. Well, no, I mean, it's a chip shot, you miss. It's not a chip shot, but I mean, I do think it's like. But I just don't think when, you're talking about like, I don't think they can be set in the same breath, a 52-yard kick and a fumble at the one yard. By the way, for the record, I think it was longer than 52. But I think, yeah. And a, and a miss-catching. No, I agree. But there were, I think there were

four 50-plus-yard kicks attempted in that game, or the Eagles made both of theirs. It was 58. Yeah, and then he made a 56 or something. Like, so I'm not saying that to give me. What I'm saying is, if you're watching on TV and your answer is yes, the chiefs are, look awful, or it is time to panic, then I think a first cousin of that take is, ooh, then Philly shouldn't feel great. And if the, because of this, what we're describing here. Now, maybe I'm, maybe I'm wrong on that, but that's,

I said, you're not going to like this, but it's a compliment. I'm not betting you 100 grand about it. Chiefs have been compared a lot to the Patriots. And there was a certain point in the Patriots run. It's like, you know what? We got Tom Brady and he's enough to figure it out. We got Tom Brady in a pretty good defense. And then sometimes even Tom Brady is like, this is not enough right here.

So yeah, no worthy, like there's a slim margin for every where she rises out, Xavier where that when those guys come back. There's no secret sauce that there's not going to be another injury. And then the other thing we're not talking about is like old teams. Travis Kelsey is not the old Travis Kelsey. No, that part. He's had a bad start to the season. He's at bad start of the season. There's no question about that.

But I don't hate that. And I do think it's a compliment. And what those Patriots had in common is despite. that they won the division every single year. And they made the playoffs. I know that Tom Brady didn't have to run for 75 yards a game to make it happen. It's nervous. Ben Johnson's return to Detroit.

That didn't go well. Old offense put up 52 on them. Chicago seemed to be making a point of keep pouring it on. They went for fourth and goal at the four while being up 24. I like that. They sure did. It's pro football. Ben Johnson was asked about it after the game.

Do you believe Dan Campbell ran it up on you on that fourth and fourth? What's he supposed to do? Is fourth and goal? What do you want him to do? Yeah, he could have kicked the field goal. They don't kick field goals. They go forward there. So he was doing what he was supposed to do.

That's what he does. Demoralizing is this loss considering you were coming back. He left for Chicago. It's not demoralizing at all. It's not demoralizing at all. It's a little demoralizing. It's a smidge demoralizing. Because for Bears fans, you got to, this is Bill Murray and Groundman.

I've seen this so many times. You get so hyped for a season and it's like, oh, okay, oh and two with a couple of division losses, got 50, and the quarterback doesn't look so good. I've just seen this movie so many times. But I didn't, if I was making a list of like five biggest problems for the Bears in this game, I don't think Caleb would be on it. A five?

Listen. You had low expectations, huh? Well, week one, one wasn't great, but you give up 52 points. He doesn't play D-line, linebacker, or secondary. So that's certainly part of it. They can't run the ball. So maybe five, maybe he comes. But also all the penalties, the discipline. It was just, it was a comedy of errors. And I just felt like, I have owned one house in my life. And I probably will never do it again because it was a little bit of a lemon. It was like scary. It's like you want to fix one thing. And then you open up the drywall. And it's like, oh, permites. Mold. Bad plumbing.

That's like Ben Johnson taking the bear's job. It's like, oh, we're We just got to fix the offensive line. I got to tinker with the quarterback a little bit, and the team's ready to take off. But the problem seemed to be so much more systemic, foundational in just the bones of the house, that this is going to take a while. But would you argue, this was, I mean, we've all thought in the offseason that they had a lot of help around Caleb. Yes. Yeah. And I'm just wondering when you talk about that foundation,

is that Caleb? Can I say, I mean... I just don't... I think it's... I'm not saying what you're saying is silly, brew. I think it is silly to talk about the quarterback in a game where we have on the screen they allowed 52 points.

You know what I mean? Like that... No, I hear that. But that's really... Well, let me put it this way, because I hear what you're saying. I think for them, for the Bears now, and Bears fans, This season shifts from, we're going to make the playoffs this year and do something to let's just see if Caleb's our guy.

Well, listen, I asked you see if he's a franchise. I think that is the most important thing. I told it. So that is, and that's why it, I didn't think Kayla, listen, the play that we showed in Weird and Wonderful was obviously a terrible mistake. I didn't. I thought he played better in this game than he did in week one. And I think that you saw less of the operational issues that you had in week one. No question.

And those were what? Oh, what do you want to say? I'm not saying. He got out of the huddle quick. That's what you're thinking. Oh, he got out of the huddle. No. I've been sitting on a joke for five minutes.

All right. Go ahead. Make your joke. Is it about my house? The family that bought Darius, I was like, what? I was thinking that same thing. I was thinking that same thing. No, no, no.

What? Hermite. Guys out here telling on the cell. I was thinking that a contract thing. Like, buddy, he didn't sell it. The phone is ringing right now. Like, turbines.

Issues came up in inspection. They did very well on the sale of the house. No, I just, but I think Drew's point is correct. That now, while I don't think, I don't know about you, are you writing off the bears making the playoffs this year?

No, so here's the thing. I'm not. You have Dallas and Vegas, and then the buy. When the schedule comes, comes out in the byzine week five, normally it's like, ooh, that's bad. For a team that's this young with a new coach and a new system, maybe you can improve a lot in that scenario. You figure out a way to win these two games and you go into the buy two and two.

You're fine. You're fine. It's not great. I agree with that. So, like, Dan Campbell played the must win card before this game, before a week two game. I will be very interested to see how much urgency Ben Johnson puts on this game week week. For America's Game of the Week on Fox, the whole country is going to be watching. Can I just be like the Neanderthal of the group?

These O and two teams... I told you there's one good O and two team. All the teams are O and two. It's just like the team... Your hometown teams are O'N two. You're like, you know what? The Saints are bad, the Panthers are bad, the Titans are bad, the Browns are bad, the dolphins are bad, the Giants are bad, the Jets are bad.

The Chiefs, however, are actually good. They just so happen to be O&2. Also, I was born in Kansas City. and the Bears are Ointu, and they are also good. No, the Bears are all the morning in Chicago. But poor Brew is not riding for the Saints. No, but that's, hold on.

Stop. The best rattler. Callan Moore, once he unlocks up. Can I have that list, please? Thank you. I mean, that is, that was a very, you know, funny, totally unfair shot you just took. Because the other way to look at it is, the two teams that are O and two that were either hugely favored to make the

playoffs or a coin flip to make the playoffs are the two 0 and 2 teams that you have some modicum of hope for. Like the Titans, Saints, Jets, Giants, Browns, Dolphins were projected going into the year to be six of the

seven worst teams in football. The only team that wasn't on that list with them was the Raiders. And the Bears lost to a Vikings team that won 14 games last year and a Lions team too. Just like the KW. That's the

charge of the Eagles. Last year, did you think Brew was crazy for saying the Ravens weren't Don at O and 2

when they had lost to the Browns? No. But I'm just saying we just, it's just, it's a funny coincidence.

Like we have to just, your favorite teams are O and 2. We acknowledge that. Just like the Saints are Oint 2. Just like the dolphins are o'n two.

For Gianna's from Miami. She's not up here being like, you know, Tyreek, if he, him and two can get on the same page

and Mike McDaniel, like, you know he's a bottom line sort of guy. Wins and losses. I mean, that's what it is. He's saying hurts. If the Patriots are 0-2, I'd be right.

We would all be together, guys. But we're not. We're not. The Patriots are one-in-one. I got something for you if you want to see it. You said you hadn't seen the video. If you want a Bears take it. About what?

That's a win for you. Oh, sure. I love that. Well, because you're, Nick is not just out of me. No, it's just, I mean, the tomorrow just pull up the standings on USA Today instead of watching the show. We should. We should.

No, no. That's what we should do. The Giants scored 40. How many points is the giant? 37. You're right. No, you're right. Let Danny do his video.

You're right. Go ahead. Well, I just wanted to bring us all back together. You love the tush push. Of course. You were very upset at Ben Johnson when he said he didn't like the tush push. Third and one. I tried to text you about this.

Third and one, this is not a tush push. And I hate the tush push. Quarterback sneak. Not once but twice. And they don't get it. This was for you. to gloat. I know. I actually felt bad. It was so it was, it was, it was, it was, the game got so out of hand. I felt like there was no more room for Ben Johnson bashing.

So you wanted to save it? No, I felt like Dan Campbell. He clearly should have done the tish bush right took care of it. Yeah. That was an embarrassing. His pride got in the way. Wasn't great. Nick's legit mad at me. Yeah, he is. There's a lot of attention. Not my fault. I'm beloved in Kansas City and we both are. Wow. Wow. Wow. Friends of I went three. No. Friend of me is coming up next. Are you joining that segment?

But it's upstairs with Nick's yelling at. Stock up, stock down on the show. Time now for some stock up, stock down. Week 2 edition. Two games left tonight, but whose stock is up after the Sunday. Coach Manjini, Willie Colon. I'm Danny Parkins. Let's get right to it, boys.

First up. Stock up. The Cowboys offense. My goodness gracious, they might be bad, but they're going to be fun bad. because last year they were just unwatchable. People were like, oh, it was just the injury. But it was really across the board.

So far this year, fifth in points, fourth in yards, sixth in yards per carry, second and third on third downs. It took them, guys, until Thanksgiving last year to have four rushing touchdowns. They got four rushing touchdowns already through two games. So you got pickings, you got C.D. Lamb, Giovante Williams, a running game. They might be bad, coach. But they're going to score some points. Yeah, I agree with the stock up.

And to me, the biggest part of the stock up is Brian Schenheimer. Everybody killed Jerry for hiring him. Everybody thought, why is he getting this opportunity? And to me, of all the new head coaches, I'd argue that Brian, who also runs the offense, is doing as good, if not better job than any of those other guys. Yeah, I'm going stocked down. And it's for the defense, if that's fair. Okay.

I mean, it's, yeah. I mean, I get we talking to offense. But listen, at the end of the day, you know, this Dallas defense give up 105 yards, 106 yards, 5006 yards, excuse me, too. Yeah. Offense and the Giants who were ready to hand over the keys to a rookie quarterback. With that said, man, I'm frustrated because the more of this, the more they play like that, it looks like the Jerry Jones deal was maybe the wrong move.

You know what I mean? Especially with a secondary who flat out, man, I know they didn't have Durand Blan. I know they started ready start. Tarant Dix didn't play well. But overall, man, you can't give those last minute explosive. No, the game was a shootout. I don't think they are a great team overall. But last year, they were bad and unwatchable. This year, they're fun, they're exciting. They're giving people hope again. Yeah. I mean, that that game was legitimately entertaining sports

theater. And I did not think it was going to be good. And so like for me, who's just in it for the entertainment? Extend the kicker. Yeah, exactly. Oh my. We'll talk about kicking a little bit later in the week or maybe on digital if we're not allowed to talk about it on television because we got to get 64 yard field goes out of the game. Not not a huge fan. What's next? Stock down. The tush push. Stock way down. Huh.

Who would have thought that a rugby play that's impossible to see where the ball is, that's boring, would have just, would all of a sudden be getting called out by Tom Brady being like, hey, you know, they're cheating every time they do it by jumping off sides. And then Dean Blandino is like, I'm done with the tush push. Here's the thing. Maybe they will have more penalties called on it. And congratulations for Philly for creating something and winning a Super Bowl with it. I think they would be great in short yard just with normal QB sneaks, Jalen Hertz or Sequin Barclay.

Tush Push. It's got about four months left. It will be voted out this year. Guaranteed. No, I'm... Guaranteed. I'm going to stock up, man. Listen, it's... They voted it okay this year. By two votes. It doesn't matter. It will be gone next year. Listen, when you look at it, I understand the off-sides can't happen. There's some mechanical things you got to work out. It's a cheat code. If I'm a defensive coordinator and I got the Eagles on deck, you have to play better on first and second down. So you're not in those situations. You can't fault the Eagles for playing Eagle style football. Other teams have done it. They're not as successful as the Eagles. It is what it is at this point. Yeah, so the stocks down nationally and people are angry about it. And they don't, and I think it's going to get voted out from an officiating standpoint. That's the angle that they'll finally get rid of it is it's too hard to officiate. We can't make it fair. Whatever they got to do. But where the stock is up and where it's been Berkshire Hathaway is in Philly. If you're a Philadelphia fan, you love it.

Yeah, it is as good as stock as you could have ever bought and nobody else can replicate it. But Danny, also, nobody's getting hurt on this clip. I've never once made. It's not an injury. I've never once made that argument. Right. But people are like, you're looking for holes in it. The only issue is that they're great at it.

Yeah, they can't stop it. That's it. I don't like watching it. What? Yeah. Because I can't see where the ball is and it's boring. How did you like watching those quarterback sneaks in Chicago yesterday? Those workout?

No, they did not. Thank you for bringing that up. But at least that's, at least they failed at a normal football play. Instead of being successful at rugby. I'm a football fan, not a rugby fan. What's next? Stock up. Stock up for revenge.

Sometimes it's kind of fun to be petty, okay? And the Lions came into this thing, apparently, with revenge. on their mind. Here's their safety. Brian Branch. Take a listen. Very motivated. We know coming into this game that this is personal, really all these game personals. But this one was just, we felt like we've been, you know, betrayed it from the staff to the players.

And, you know, we love Ben. We still love Ben. He's a great, you know, coach. He's a great mastermind. But yeah, it was time to get out to him. He could have wear anywhere else, but he got to see us again. You got a funny way of showing that you love Ben Johnson. Because you put 52 up on him, and then you did his famous stumble bum play when you got the interstate. That's the lion's defense mocking Ben Johnson. And here's the thing.

Yeah. I got some petty in me. If you said, you'll never amount to anything. Penny Perkins? Penny Parkins, yeah. Oh, you didn't hire me for that radio job? Look at me, Mom. No, I'm on national TV.

Oh, you keep receipts. Oh, elephant brain, Willie. Yeah, absolutely. So, like, I hated it as a Bears guy, but I respected the pettiness, even if I thought it was ridiculous. It's ridiculous to be mad at Ben Johnson for taking a $10 million a year job in Chicago. It's a great city to make $10 million, right? But, like, come on, that was funny. What the Lions did was funny.

No, yeah, I mean, stock up for me, because I especially, I think after last week, especially against Green Bay, a lot of people already write this team off for some reason, like they're not two-time defending champs. But I also think they answered the bell. Could they run the ball? They did so, especially with David, with Gibbs and Montgomery. Excuse me. On top of that, this offensive line stood up in a major way. So I was happy to see that.

So there's some apologies that need to go out to Johnny Martin as well because he called the hell of a game. So stocks up for me for the Lions. Yeah, they did a really good job in Detroit selling the narrative that this is somehow personal because it's not personal. Ben Johnson took a job in the division. I get that that can be a little, maybe not what? what anybody wanted, but it was his best opportunity. It was the quarterback that he felt strongly

about. And at the end of the day, this is business and everybody gets that. But it's a really good job by the coaching staff selling that this is a personal narrative. Now, what I'd say for Detroit is you better be careful. This is game two. You haven't established that everything's fixed. You had a really good game, but you haven't established that everything is quite fixed. And you're going to have to see Chicago again. So let's see whether or not you're, you can keep celebrating at this level and keep reducing at this level. And I am a big Johnny Morton fan, so I'm happy for him. They will definitely be remembering this in Chicago,

and they'll get them again and probably lose by 10th. Last one. Stock down. In Trevor Lawrence. I don't know if anyone still owns Trevor Lawrence stock other than Nick, who calls him the Prince, but this was a mortifying loss. Joe Burrow goes down,

and you still lose this game to Jake Browning. He fumbled that snap. The guy has got the most fumbles of any player since he entered the league. Miraculously recovered it. He had another red zone interception, but look at this, guys. He made history. If you get 400 yards of offense, your defense gets three interceptions, and you win the turnover battle, you were 70 and 0 coming into that game yesterday in the last 12 seasons, and they figured out a way to lose that game.

It's only been two weeks, but that's the worst loss any team has done so far this year, Coach. Yeah, this is rough. Browning comes in, he throws the three interceptions, and somehow they figure out a way to win. I was looking at Trevor's stats versus Mack Jones, and they're very similar. They're very, very, actually, Mac Jones has a little bit better quarterback rating. He's got a little bit better completion percentage. They both went to one Pro Bowl. And then Trevor's been gotten the second contract.

There's been so much hype from the time he's been drafted, and every year you think this is where he's going to make the jump. And every year we come back to the games like this where you're just wondering, is he ever going to get it? Yeah, it's a flat stock for me. You know, I like to use that. But only because I think it was more situational. I think also in reference to him turning over the ball. But I also think right now, I think he's just not in sync with the offense right now. I think there's lack of chemistry. He heard that for five years. I know, but you're talking about Brian Thomas. And now you're talking about what Travis Hunter. New coach, Lee. So I think it's just a lot of him just getting acclimated and this team really kind of him and this team being on the same page.

It's just the same mistakes over and over again. And he looks the part and he can throw the ball over the mountain. But when your mistakes are turnovers, it's just I want no part to do with you. Yeah, and they trade away next year's number one to get Travis Hunter. I think that he's going to help push that forward. And now they're back where they started. Well, that was a crazy game for the Eagles and the Chiefs in that low scoring. Eagles figured out a way to win.

Should they be happy with the style points from that win? We'll get into it coming up. Welcome back. The story of week one was four touchdowns from Aaron Rogers and that huge offensive explosion against the Jets. Not so much in week two. It wasn't all on the offense. Huge mistake on special teams by their rookie, bad defensive performance that will get to.

Steelers now one-in-one after a loss to the Seahawks. And Rogers thinks it could be a good thing. Take a listen. No, it's week two. Come on now. Come on. Come on. It's week two.

I mean, like, it's good for us. Last week, probably there's some people who were feeling pretty good because everybody outside the building is talking about how great we were on offense and 34 points. That's the league. You can't ride the highs or ride the lows. You know, you got to refocus every single week and be a professional. You're buying that this could be a.

good loss this is a good thing for your Steelers yeah 100% because I think sometimes you have to lose in order to know how to win right and I think he's looking at this team right now who's young in a lot of areas especially the officer line and the defense line should be a lot better than what they are but they have been underperforming when you give up you know a multi I mean last year they get last week they give a hundred plus yards to the Jets now it's same thing it's the Seahawks I think it's more of a pride and brand thing they're dealing with but I also know right now Mike Tomlin is probably flipping

tables and really upset that you talk about about T.J. Watk, Cam Hey, with this, I mean, they still have the highest play defense in the

league right now, and you're getting beat up, right, on back-to-back weeks. And so I think they're trying to regroup and try to

figure out, man, like, who are me right now? Because, but to Aaron's point also, man, you can't get over-emotional about it. You've got to be

able to take this and read it and move on. Yeah, I agree. You can't get over-emotional about a week two loss, but there are a lot of things in that

are concerned. And there's been a concern over the first two games defensively. So that's a problem because of how they've paid, how they've been paid, and what the expectations are, and how they've consistently performed. But then offensively, when you look at Aaron Rogers, he's been sacks seven times, which is the fourth most of anybody. And then when you look at his numbers against pressure, he was three for 11 for 36 yards with a pick and three sacks. So it's like sharks to blood in the NFL. So they see that pressure is being effective.

Everybody's going to do that until you can show that you can make them pay. when they do bring that pressure. And right now, it doesn't look like it. He's getting hit a lot. He's an older guy. And you're not holding up the way you'd like to on defense. It's not the, you don't have to sound a big alarm. But there's definitely some red flags here that I don't think is all a good thing either.

Right, exactly. And that's some coping from the quarterback after the game. But I thought week one defensively was just like a weird game and an aberration. And I know that, again, one of those touchdowns was a special team's mistake. It's not really like the defense gave up 30 plus in back-to-back weeks. One of that's a special team's touchdown. But you got, what, five first-round picks playing in that game on defense. You got the highest-paid defense in the NFL.

You gave up 14 plays of 10 or more yards in that game. T.J. Watt hasn't had a sack in six games. Like, that's the Jets and the Seahawks that are doing. It's not like it's the Ravens and the Bills who did it to them or the Bengals and the Lions who did. The fact that Seattle and the Jets. did that to the Steelers defense. That would be the concerning thing. And to your point, coach, can Rogers survive a season getting hit this?

Well, yeah, I mean, it's concerning because that's what Mike Tomlin likes to lean on, especially to save the day is the defense, right? He loves to roll up. And you're talking about the Steelers game, it's the Steelers out first, right, to kind of set the tone to be kind of the spearheaded that team. Now you're relying on a 40-year-old plus quarterback to save the day. And to your point, coach, because he's been sacked, because of the pressures, and because of the teams have been able to get to him,

now you're saying to myself, I don't know if this kid, this guy and that grown man, excuse me, can withstand. that and you're looking at your defensive leaders and T.J. Watt, Cam Haywood, Jalen Ramsey on and on and on to step up to the plate and they haven't been able to do so. So it's frustrating, but at the same time, it's week two. So you got to be able to breathe. I would imagine that there's a big level of concern here too, because when the defense falters like that, they were looking at Aaron Rogers to just be an upgrade over what they had last year. Yeah, for sure. They weren't looking at him to come out and have the performances

like he had against the Jets. That was a great start. But that's a great start. But that wasn't the expectation. It was just, hey, you need to be better than Russ was last year or Justin was. And I think that's a fair expectation. And now to have this performance and for him to be dealing with that volume of pressure, it's going to be, it's not only going to be challenging, but there's going to be some friction between him and Arthur Smith. Let's go back to that Chiefs game. Don't know if you guys heard Threino this week for me. Picked it correctly with the Eagles. But there was an interesting exchange between. Jalen Hertz and Chris Jones because this game was not pretty. There were not a lot of big plays. There was not a lot of great offense.

It was not like the Super Bowl from the Eagles side of things where they scored over 40 points and it was a blowout. It was ugly football that could have gone either way. But the two star players had an interesting exchange at the end. Take a listen. So, you know, we bleeped it out for television. Had to clean it up a little bit. But I looked at that and I would say Philly has done a remark.

job of tuning out the noise. These shows that we do, like, how good is your coach? How good is your quarterback? Let's rank them. Style points. Fantasy football. Is A.J. Brown going to be upset? Margin a victory.

Jail the top five or not? And by the way, and I engage in all of it. I personally enjoy it. You steer the ship. Yeah, of course. But that stuff is for me. It's for us. It's for fans.

It's not supposed to be for Jalen Hertz. It's like Jalen Hertz has been remarkable at winning when he doesn't produce. It's like we can look at these numbers. This is crazy. Can I stop you a second? How didn't he produce? Well, as a passer, I think of quarterbacks as the guy who throws the ball. But like when you have 125 passing yards or less and you win two thirds of the time, that's not normal.

Yeah, but it's not normal. It's just not how football is normally played. Well, two things. This is the same Jailen & Hurst that won you a Super Bowl last year playing the same brand of football. I'm aware. And so now we're knocking a guy for simply being poised, showing great ball security. I'm not knocking. I'm not going to.

And we forget that the Chief showed up and played really good on defense. They played strong, right? And so we're knocking Jailen & Hertz for doing everything we asked the quarterback to do. Don't throw away the game. Lead them down the field. Yeah, if we need a couple of tuss pushes just get out the building with a W, sure. And now we're saying, well, you won, but that's not good enough. I don't know.

I don't want to ever live in that world as a football player where a W is simply not good enough. I don't think that's what he's saying that. I think the world, the external world, say that all the time. And there's a lot of pressure for players to validate their ability. And the thing that I love about Jalen Hertz is he's not worried about that. He's mature enough to say,

I'm going to do whatever we need to do to win the game, where there's a lot of guys who would bow to the pressure. And as much as inside the locker room, you know, those guys can tune out the noise. They've got friends. They've got family. They got loved ones. All them say, hey, this guy's saying this about you. This is happening.

So there is some of that pressure to say, oh, I am an elite passer. And the fact that Jalen doesn't bow to that, to me, is a good reason why they have a good chance to repeat. Yeah, I just think we can't. It's good to be satisfied. Fine. But at the end of the day, when you're talking about a team right now who coming off of Super Bowl, we talk about we wait for the fall, right? Especially coming off of significant

of the Super Bowl beating the Chiefs, they went back in the era head and won the football game with lack of production. It's like Chris Jones had Jalen Hurts on his fantasy team. So you didn't even have 100 yards. What's you doing?

You're killing me out there. I just don't know when we get to the point where we believe in their brand of football. We keep looking for the holes in leaks when this is just who they are. It is. And I just love that Chris Jones was talking a little smack.

Even in a lot. Let's go to Cincinnati here because that's huge news with Joe Burrow. It's a version of turf toe that's going to need surgery. It's going to have about at least three months. Certainly could be the entire season. Coach Joe Burrow was your MVP pick here. And now he will, this is a third significant injury for him in his short time in the NFL.

What does another big injury for Burrow mean for him? Yeah, this is bad for him. It's bad for the organization. And it's so hard from the organizational standpoint to have a. any kind of planning. And they put a dramatic amount of resources not just into him, but in the two wide receivers. They tried to put resources in the offensive line. And when you have a injury of your first season, your third season, and now this season, it's a little Tua-esque, different type of situation. Yeah, different. But I hear what you're saying, though.

But it's if you, you know, durability is more important than ability, and he hasn't shown that and it's a problem for the, for the organization. Yeah, it's a tough time to reset the season. right? Now you're talking about him potentially coming back in December. The next three games is Minnesota, Detroit, and Denver. And now you're asking a defense who has played better to hold the fort down until you get to Thanksgiving. Well, hopefully you're 500, and you can really realistically put something on paper when Burrow could come back. And I think that's unfair.

It's heartbreaking if you're a Bengals fan because he is your season. So much was put on him, his shoulders kind of deliver him, and now he's out again. And this is a nightmare they just can't wake up from. So I don't know where you go from here. It's weird. Like, I don't put him in the same category as Tua, and maybe that's totally unfair of me. Well, when I say Tua obviously has the concussions, which is different, I'm putting in that category because we've got consistent injuries. Even though the injuries are different.

Even though the injuries are different, there's a durability issue that is showing up that that is similar. Yeah, and again, season's over basically for the Bengals, right? At this point, you got to look at it. I know the players won't look at it that way, but it feels like it's a wrap. My guy Justin Herbert's playing tonight. I'm going to need some caffeine. 10 p.m. kickoff on the East Coast? That's tough.

What's going on here? It's hard to swallow right here. 10 p.m. It's ridiculous. Tonight, late night, we got the encore performance after the week one win over the Chiefs for Justin Herbert. And the Chargers, they are a three and a half point favorite in Vegas. And listen, I think that Herbert is something not unlocked in him, but the team figured out.

hey, we can throw the ball with this guy. It's like an amazing concept. We got a good offensive line, good running game, good defense. Let's let the quarterback operate off those things and throw the ball. So I do expect him to throw 30 plus times and have another big statistical game. But also, if you just look real quick, boys with me at the Chargers schedule, opportunity is knocking here. You win this game against the Raiders.

Now you have two wins in your first two games against division opponents. And then you have a third division game next week at home where you will be favored. You beat the Broncos. You go to 3-0 with three-division wins. Then all of a sudden, that schedule opens up nicely. We'll see about Jaden Daniels' health. The Chargers are, have a real runway here with what's happened to the Chiefs to separate themselves.

So I think this is a sneaky huge spot for the Chargers tonight. Good. I didn't think he was going to have a big game last week. And I think one of the thing that really helps him is Harbaugh's willingness to run the ball as much as he does. They got it more effective than they were last week. Well, not just that, but they will come. commit to the run, which defensively you're thinking, okay, we got to bow up for this.

And then that opens up a lot of things for Herbert. Well, you're talking about commitment to the run. I think it was his commitment to use his legs in a situation of football that showed up big. And I think the charges right now figured out, man, like, if we could run the ball and play behind his playmaking ability, we can be dangerous, right? Because he didn't use, he didn't just use his legs or rely on his legs. He used it as a weapon, especially to seal the end of that game. So if I'm the charges right, man, you have to be really happy. Like, man, we got a quarterback.

Then he's got him at 7 and 0. I do. I do. Nice little run. Bucks Texans tonight, Chargers Raiders. We're talking about it all tomorrow. Same crew is back on FTF.