First Things First - Cowboys beat Chiefs, Bengals beat Ravens, Bills beat Steelers, Lane Kiffin joins LSU

Episode Date: December 2, 2025

(0:00) Cowboys beat Chiefs, Brou grades Dallas, Eagles in a funk?  (28:33) Bengals beat Ravens, Time to worry about Baltimore? (40:13) Bills beat Steelers, Trouble with Aaron Rodgers calling out Jonnu Smith? (49:05) Bears win or Eagles loss the story, Surprised Chiefs lost a big Mahomes game?  (01:12:04) Packers sweep Lions, How concerned should people be for the Colts? (01:22:58) Lane Kiffin leaves Ole Miss to LSU (01:28:34) Bears beat Eagles, Can Chicago win the Super Bowl? (01:52:28) Steelers & Mike Tomlin in trouble, What did the Bills prove in their win? (02:02:56) Broncos beat Commanders, Panthers beat Rams, Texans beat Colts (02:10:45) Patriots vs. Giants preview, Will Drake Maye flip the MVP odds? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Live from New York. It's the show that has also been wondering why Nick Wright wasn't too active on social media, bro. People were bugging me. Where's Nick? Where's your guy? And now the start of the show. He's not here, but we do have an explanation, finally. It was a rough holiday. It's not funny, brew. You're also good. Your team six and six and got whooped, too.

In some crummy division, you get a pass. Can't even get up here. Don't hurt yourself. You're going to get hurt. You're already are. Bad shape. Got to listen to this clown. It would be the right one.

The foam neck thing is absurd. Foam neck thing. I have a whiplash. It's supposed to be in traction. Really? Yeah. Okay. I think you should keep the foam thing on.

Okay. I'm in bad of shape. I know. It's not that funny. I know. I had sympathy for you, Brew. Today, Thanksgiving leftovers is Nick ready to quit on the Chief's cold turkey. Meanwhile, Brew reveals his Cowboys grade, and we kick around Cowboys to the playoffs.

Wow. I might stake out that piece of real estate. You know what? I've had it. Now I'm doing some landscaping. Thank you. It's rising in value. Well, good question, Dusty. The answer is yes very much so.

Alongside Chris Brousard, I'm Kevin Wilde's. Nick, do you even have the foam neck thing on correctly? Is the Velcro supposed to be on the front? Maybe that's why it's not giving me the relief I expect. That's shape. First in bad shape, man. I've never, never been like this. No, no.

I showed up here with a legit broken arm in less pain than I am right now. We're starting with keeping it 100 about the 500 chiefs. They lose in Dallas on Thanksgiving. Ken City defense allows Dallas to cook 457 total yards. That's too much. Moehm's had four touchdowns and some pretty sweet plays. The grand scheme of things, here he was post game. At the end of the day, he's going to win every game now,

and hope that's enough. So, I mean, we're going to play a lot of good football teams coming up. If we're going to make the playoffs, we're going to have to win them all. And that's got to be the mindset when we step into the building when we get back. We've asked this question after several Chief's losses. Usually after Chief's wins. Sometimes after Chief's close wins. Yeah.

And it has never worked as a question to the point where we had a conversation about it. We're like, this doesn't work. Yeah. So we slightly rewarded it. Okay, now is it time to worry about the Chiefs? Of course it's time to worry. Wow. Listen, after the Denver loss, I sat here and, let me go back a step further.

After the bill's loss, going into the buy when they were at five and four, I said, listen, tough loss given the fact that they had already given some games away, but I expect them to finish 12 and 5. And I remember your reaction, you were like, really? And I'm like, yeah, really. I think they're going to go 12 and 5. They then lost their immediate next game. And after that Denver game, I said, well, 12 and 5 is not going to happen when you're 5 and 5. They need to go 6 and 1 the rest of the way. That was 1 in 1 ago.

So that means the margin of error is down to nothing. Now, Patrick seems confident. The fact that Patrick, for the first time in his career, is not just talking. about the next game. I found noteworthy. That's interesting. And the fact that Andy Reid today, we don't have the sound yet. He did it 20 minutes ago. You guys probably haven't seen the quote.

Andy Reid was damn near defiant in his press conference today about how close they are, how he, the odd turn of phrase he chose, which is the chiefs are going to tickle your tonsils on every play the rest of the season. His words, not mine. I don't even know what it means. and that they seem to believe they can rip off five in a row. But here's why it's a problem, and it's a problem greater than the fact that they are up against the best pass rush in football on Sunday night, certainly without their starting left tackle,

who's out for a month or longer, and maybe without their starting right tackle as well, which would put them in a terrible position. Here's the problem. The problem is the old chiefs that you guys wanted so badly to be back are back. but in a bad way. Because the old chiefs, the 2018 chiefs, had a lot of games like that Cowboys game,

where Mahomes does magical stuff, where they score a bunch of points, where Mahomes' numbers are good, but they can't get a stop. And that's the problem. This chief's team has the sixth fewest sacks in football, the fourth fewest turnovers in football, and on third and long,

they cannot get off the field. from post-Tiree Kill Trade. Third and long. Third and long. So third and long, post-tiree-kill-trade. Because I do look at the Chiefs as two, 2018 to 2021 might have been the most fun, but it was two Super Bowl trips,

one Super Bowl victory and two AFC championship losses. 2022 to 2024, when the defense was able to more than hold up its end, they went to all three Super Bowls. They won two of them. This year, they killed. can't get off the field, which has led to this stunning stat and graphic. Three times this year, Mahomes has executed.

Go to the next one, Dust, please. A fourth quarter comeback and lost. For context, and I'm not doing a Brady comp, but just for context, that happened to Brady. It was year 15 when in his career he had executed a fourth quarter comeback, and they lost three times. It's happened three times this season. They can't get off the field.

And when we were going to war on Wednesday, maybe more than we should have, about the predictions for the game, Brew and I both said we knew, like we felt very confident Mahomes would cook, more confident in that than that the Chiefs wouldn't necessarily win because what I was worried about could happen

is what happened. They couldn't get off the field. And so now they have no margin of error last, and they have to run the table. So, yeah, it's time to worry, like legitimately. Yeah, it's obviously time to worry. Because of their pedigree, because of the respect you have for them and what they've done, you know, you give them a small chance of getting this done.

But the thing is, they have not shown any evidence outside of their history that they can run the table. Now, here's one good thing for them. the other teams that they are battling with Indianapolis, Houston, Jacksonville, you know, they have the chargers. The chargers have a really tough schedule. And Herbert, you know, is banged up as well as the offensive line.

So those teams do have tough schedules. 10 and 7 won't do it, though. They have to run the table. They have to win out. But there is a little hope because of the schedules of some of these teams. But Nick alluded to it, the injuries on the offensive line. Like Josh Sim is going to be out this week. Maybe, you know, Trey might be out.

I think Josh is going to be out brew a month. Yeah, he might be out. Right. He could be out the rest of the season. And you're facing Houston, which is the second best pass rushing team in the league. And maybe the hottest team in the league right now. I think they're the best defense. Yeah, the defense is phenomenal.

And CJ, you know, we'll see what their offense can do. He was okay yesterday. It wasn't great. CJ Stroud. but that is a that Houston game is a killer because of their pass rush and the Chiefs injuries on offensive line. I think I have a graphic here.

Mahomes was obviously great this last game, but you see against pressure struggles a bit. You know, the passer rating, the completion percentage, yards per pass, just mediocre, certainly by his standards, those aren't Mahomesian. So if Houston gets that pass rush on him, then I think it's going to be tough. The completion percentage number throws me.

Like, I don't, I don't, if you're playing the Texans and you know there's going to be a lot of pressure, I wonder if that's a result of play calls. But so here's the thing. 30th just seems wild. Right. But so when you say when you play the Texans, you know there's going to be a lot of pressure, that's where that stat can not tell you exactly what you're talking about. Because if the plan against Houston is quick passes, those won't count as under pressure. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Because he won't. It's just like, because he won't have been pressure. It's like, Cam Ward. Right. J.J. McCarthy and then Mahomes just seems. Listen, and I don't know what it is. I'm not the, I can't say last year I thought Mahomes had a great year because of the clutch stuff in the record. And then this year say he's having a great year despite the record.

But that, I mean, to me, that card cuts in both directions. Folks that last year didn't, you know, didn't care about the win-loss record. This year, I don't think, should hold it against him. He's fourth in the NFL touchdowns. He's second in yards. And Bruce's favorite stat, EPA, he's first. Wow. In QBR, he's second.

You're not saying he's having a great year. I think that here's what I think. I think that he is far and away right now. The best, he is doing his job on the chiefs better than anybody else. I think that he is, he at the, I think that they have some, at the moment, structural offensive problems that I think he's one of the only quarterbacks that could mask and I think the biggest

problem is the defense. Do I think he's having the best Mahomes season? I do not. But I think that but the reason that you're saying you're not going to write them off is not because of the jerseys it's because of him and Andy. You know, it's because of the and

and I did think Patrick played great on Thursday. I thought he played great. They couldn't get off the field and it was just, it was third and long again and again and again. And I'm not going to complain about the calls. The calls are the calls. I mean, it is what it is.

Five first downs on penalties in the second half. I mean, part of it is like stop grabbing the guys, but then it almost felt like there was a little penalty momentum. Can I be the guy that believes in the chiefs since I am beloved in Kansas City? But you don't, though. I believe in, I believe it. Now that I'm on the underdog, I will go back to believe it. I just believed in the cowboys.

You believe in them winning out. I believe that the Chiefs are not the same team on the road as they were at home. That's one of the reasons I picked the Cowboys. They're five and one at home. Their three toughest games, Texans, Chargers, Broncos are at home. And their road games are tight-ins and the Raiders. The Raiders, Sue, did you see? They were eliminated from playoff contention last night.

I could, I couldn't see that one coming. I got to tell you, officially, they have a little E next to their name on the standings. I did not see that one coming. home games. No. The way games are super easy and cut down 119 in penalties is the second most since the year's the reality of it,

Bruce. Stop doing that. And tell me if you, I think you might agree with me. If they win on Sunday night football, I will, I know myself and I know what I'll see there. I will come here on here Monday and say

if they beat the chargers, they're making the playoffs. And if they, like, If they win Sunday, I will feel like beat the Chargers and you're going to the playoffs and you will be the scariest team in a wide open AFC. And so like that, so we are a game away from feeling like you're a game away, but they had a critical game against Denver, a critical game against Dallas.

They had fourth quarter leads in both and they lost both. Now, you offset it a bit by the comeback against the cult, but that's why it's hard to just blindly, even though every year of Mahomes' career, he's had at least a five-game winning streak. And that's what they would need at this point. That Raiders game would be crazy. You know what? There's no way they lose them to the Raiders. Every time I make it prediction. With something on the line? No way. The Raiders? No, you are. That's like the kiss of death on upset alert. Coach is like, you know what? Panthers over Rams. And I was like, no way. What's the 36% right now.

According to the athletic playoff. Athletic playoff predictor, bro. I'm giving them 15%. He's giving them less. 15%. I was going to say Bruce's giving them less. Cowboys rolling. They beat the Eagles last Sunday.

Chiefs on Thanksgiving are looking at a date with the Lions this Thursday. DAC at 320. CD and George Pickens combined for 200 and some highlight real plays, including a hurdle. Here's Jerry Jones. We're playing teams that are obviously hard to beat. And they don't go easy, as you can see right at the end. But what a thrill to compete at this level. I really can't say enough about how our defense is shaping up.

I don't remember a better two games back to back here at home. And these guys played inspired. Okay, Brew, what grade are you giving the Cowboys? Well, look, obviously it was a tremendous performance by them. I can't say enough about what they're doing right now. Look, three straight wins, last two wins against the teams in the Super Bowl last year, the last two Super Bowl champions, obviously. So they're playing great, and Trent McDuffian crew could not handle C.D. Lamb and George Pickens.

DAC was great. And Nick, the defense, I thought, was good. They held the Chief scoreless in the second and third quarters, gave up the two touchdowns early. And the first one was after the interception, so it was a short field. And then, you know, held the Chiefs pretty good to the fourth. fourth and the chief scored. And so that defense, we know if that defense just is solid, we've been saying it all year, the offense is great and they are absolutely dangerous.

So I do fear Jerry saying the wrong thing, getting way ahead of himself. He hasn't uttered Super Bowl yet, but that's probably coming too early. And maybe that'll derail things. But right now, there's only one grade to give them for what they did the other day. And it... Great acting. He's just the best. Well, look, Nick, Nick stole my bit early on,

so I got to steal one of your bits and go to the banners. A game. A game. A game. A game. A game. A game. A game.

A game. A game. My boys are on a world tour. They couldn't make it here to do. day. But we'll get them back soon. But look, Dallas is balling. There's no doubts about it. So I want to say something about DAC.

Because, again, if you don't watch Wednesday show, you don't need to. I'm going to go back and watch. Yeah, don't worry. Don't worry. But we got into probably a more heated argument than we typically do on this show, even though I want this show to be competitive sports debate. You guys want it to be a friendly hang. And some of it was based on, Drew and I saying,

Mahomes in a big game, DAC in a big game, this is a big game, playoff adjacent, and Wilde was like, it's not the playoffs. We're like, what kind of it is.

And Wilde saying, Mahomes is a very good player, but let's not get it. Hold on. You know, but to that note, but to that note, I was more impressed

by Dax's performance after he threw the first pick. Like because he, I know obviously he was better after that was the first pass of the game or second past the game. My point is I was more impressed by how he played than I would have been if he had never thrown the pick. Because it felt like the moment that happens, it's like, oh, this reminds me of the start of the Packer playoff game, that it was like, oh, this is a, you know, 50 million people watching season on the line, playing the Chiefs. He's been playing great, throws the pick, and it's going to submarine. It's going to spiral on him. And the opposite happened.

He played great. He has to be, I don't want to overstep. He has to be on Bruce's ballot this week, in my opinion. Like they're now above 500. They're in the playoff mix. We've talked about how up and down it is. He's been great, great. And I also give him, maybe it's fair or not.

I give him some credit for how inbound George Pickens has been all year. Sure. And so, and I should also give George credit. Well, but he hasn't got the contract. No, upcoming. Yeah. And so I, he's having, we said before the season when they traded Micah, he's got to do, he's got to have the Joe Burrow year from last year.

And he's doing it. He is replicating it almost to the exact record. They didn't have a tie, but they were a game over 500. And listen, they played Detroit Thursday. You just, you know, around the corner. And it's for both those teams, by the way, it should be a, that's usually the best Thursday game of the year because it's a Thursday game where teams are on full rest, which we normally don't get. And so, and both teams, whatever playoff hopes they have are in the balance. And so I agree with you entirely. Obviously, it's an A game.

I think Quinn Williams is playing the best football he's played since his second year with the Jets. and right now, I still think the math is really against them, but I would, if you see them on the schedule, to me it's like seeing a nine and three team on the schedule. You know what I like? They are clearly a playoff caliber team. Right now. But look, throw up their schedule a quick.

After Detroit, they got a real shock here. It gets kind of light. Yes. And so, do Ken, they went out. They should be able to. Minnesota, the charges were banged up. even Herbert down. Washington looked good last night, but still.

And the Giants, I mean, this is the game. Listen, Washington should have Jaden back. Yeah. And the Chargers are playing for the season. They play three, they play two desperate teams in Detroit and the Chargers. And you play Washington, which is your divisional rival with their quarterback back. And then so it's not, it's not easy. I would say that's like an average.

But compared to a lot of teams that are fighting for that last playoff. But they are. But they just. have you what they kind of need because I don't think any of the NFC West teams are collapsing and they're all at nine nine wins already nine and three nine and three nine and four what they really need is the team we're about to talk about correct to full on collapse like their best path through might be same as your Ravens like where it's just winning the division rather than

chasing down Seattle which I don't think is realistic on the board let's head to Philadelphia where the Eagles lost the number one spot after losing their second straight game. Did they come out ready to play in this game against the Bears? No, two first downs in the first half. Here's Sequin. This game was weird. It was different. It felt weird out there. I think we just got to do a better job of, you know, keeping drives going. And that's kind of like the biggest takeaway I take from this game. something that we have to address and we can get better at. The sky's falling outside of locker room.

We understand that. But I have nothing but the most confidence in the men's locker room. I think so. What was your number one takeaway? Well, I'm going to risk really overstepping in all three of our topics here. Because, A, the first topic I wore a robe and that's a brew bit. The second topic I talked about Brew's ballot. Yes.

Third topic, I'm just going to ask a question. Is the funk watch back on, Brew? Watch, yes. I don't see it. You don't see it? Did you not watch the game? This was a bad loss. But I'm saying the watch is on.

I'm not ready to say they've fallen into the Superbatchezer's phone. No, but it's trying to get a little. But yeah, you got to watch. Yeah. I mean, Brew, and this is, so here is, I know that you, you and I both picked the Cowboys to beat the Eagles, which made it to where we couldn't really. really act like we thought the sky was falling because we thought, hey, you know, probably

due for a loss. Right. Divisional opponent. This one felt so different. And the Eagles' offensive stats are finally catching up to how the offense has looked all year. And if we show them to you, it to me just looks like a broken offense. That they are, the points per game is top 20 barely.

Everything else is basically bottom third or bottom. quarter in the league. That is, of course, in line with what their superstar highly minted running back, Saquan Barkley is producing for them, which is, we can show it to you, unfathomable. Being 39th in the NFL in yards per rush is unbelievable. And a little context for overall production they've gotten from Sequin this year. This is a funny, like a silly graphic, but that is, Sequan has given them 400 more rushing yards, and that's it than Mahomes. Look, 10-yard runs, the same. Touchdowns, the same.

Like, that is. Do you think this is a, suppose I know that we can't, players can't be traded. If he was traded to the Rams, do you think it'd still be like, Sequan has lost a step? Because I know it's your theory, but you have. Well, I would do. I think Sequin has misplaced a step that. I expect him to get back next year.

I think that lost a step to me. Yeah, it's a wear and tear. It's a temporary loss. It's not, yeah. And he's done this before. Like, he's had years where he's average below four yards of carry. But I'm trying to say I think it's the problems are Sequin independent of Sequin. Right.

You think it's the scheme and the O line. Yes. Correct? Yes. Yeah, the O line is not nearly as good. I tend to lean toward what you're saying. I don't think Seekwine is what he was last year, but I do lean toward where you're at.

Philly, look, first of all, props to the Bears. All right. Great one for them. I know we'll talk about them later. But I was stunned by, I did not have much belief in the Bears. And now I think you have to give them a legitimate shot of doing something in the playoffs. All right. So props to them.

Secondly, the positive thing for you Eagles fans out there, A.J. Brown not squawking. All right? He's getting his numbers. He is not squawking right now. No negative comments from AJ. All right. But Nick, you talked about the offense, and we get it. That was definitely not good.

The defense is what stunned me. Just getting run on like that. Run, I mean, run over. 280 yards rushing. Two 100-yard rushers. And it wasn't like Manungai and Swift had like a seven, either one of them had a 60. It was eight yards at a time.

Yes. It was like everything was a chunk play. I think Manungai's longest was 30. yards and similar for Swift. So they just beat up one of the most physical teams in the league, supposedly, the Eagles at the line of scrimmage all day long. And that stunned me. KW, your concern level?

I think they have to make a move on Kevin Petulow. They have to at this point. I don't understand the rationale if I was Jeffrey Lorry and I went down to Suryani. I was like, now what's the reason that we're, we can't bring in a consultant? what's the reason? So the people that are on the board, Dusty, of course, has got his eye

because this is his pet project. Frank Reich, since Stanford has their new coach, that he's available. Dayball, we don't know what he's up to, but he was with Jalen and Bama, so there's a little bit of just, hey, come in and consult. Doug Peterson said he would do it, and now the people in Philly are losing their mind

because Nick Foles does a podcast, and is diagnosing things. Like, get Nick Foles back there. So I don't, It has to change fundamentally. The players aren't changing. So the scheme has to change. We saw the bills make an in-season

moderately late move. I don't think it was this late. And it revitalized the bills. And we've seen the Eagles bring in consultants and try to fix the defense a few years ago. Just real quick. Will the way the rest of this season turns out, because no matter how the rest of this season turns out,

you're still going to be able to throw up. a bunch of coaching graphics where Nick Siriani is standing next to John Madden and Andy Reed and Bill Belichick and Mike Tomlin for starts of career all of it. Of course. Are you beginning

to be open to the possibility that maybe Nick Siriani is not a legendary coach? I've considered this long and hard. And my answer is too long, but I'll do it anyways. You and I are in a little bit of the same boat. I don't love, I, I'm jumping overboard. Listen to this bro. We are beholden to old opinions from

last year that were eventually proven right. I was like, Siriani's a great coach. He ends up winning the Super Bowl. You were like, we were like, ah, the Chiefs aren't that good. And they got to the Super Bowl. This year, Siriani doesn't look like a great coach. And this year's chief's team, even though they're losing close games, I think is better than last year. Chief's team. But we're stuck. That's a hard one to say. You don't think this year's chief. I thought that a month

ago. Oh, I think. Or three weeks ago, whatever. But now, six and six, I can't say that. They're just, I can't do six and six. It's just 15 and one. But I mean, I agree with Drew, but you're, but listen, man, you're, you're not Mr. Take integrity or Mr.

consistent. That's a good point. I'm, that's a good point. You're allowed to just be like, you know what, Siriani? until you shave your head again, I'm out. But while I'm here, let me just, before you jump off the Siriani boat, I'm not. I'm still a... It's your boat.

I look at professional coaches in all the sports. Wins and loss. I know, but... And I get it. He's not Sean McVeigh or Kyle Shaney. I get all that. But the dude wins. And there's problems right now.

I'm just saying his record is his record. Sounds like he wants to be the Syriani guy. No, no, I'm just telling you. No, I'm a weddie. The folk is not in place yet. You're acting like it's already here. It's coming around the day after Thanksgiving. Oh, yeah.

Oh, we should have shortened this segment. No, no, I want to. Is the robe retired? Everyone's got a robe on. You couldn't even keep the glasses. That's next on FS1, Fox Sports Channel, series of XF. You know, I bet if this year's chief's team played last year's chief's team,

this year's team. Which one gets home? They both do. Hey, share of the podcast. Gianna just told us it's number one in the country or the world is it? Holy cow, we did it. Number one in the world? Wow, number one.

You can just do this on national TV? No, we have to tell the truth. Number one in the continental US. Oh, that's it. The continental US. That's more of a posting time for our friends in Hawaii. Also, subscribe to our YouTube. We're streaming all the time there and I was in the chat.

And follow Greg on Twitter because I blocked him. So I'm not. Oh, Greg Jennings, Super Bowl champion is here. Cincinnati Bengals went into Baltimore and Joe Borough put his feet up, bad toe and all gingerly. Told the Ravens to make him a sandwich. The I told you so resurgent Bengals defense. Really? Yeah, really.

His wild is on one today. That one I was out in a limb, all of my own. They were throwing rocks at me. That had nothing right there to do with the defense. What about that right there? Holds the Ravens to 14 points. Five takeaways. Here is Lamar's stat line, Brew.

Tell me what you like here. Yeah. The total yards. That's good. That's it. The question, we didn't spend a lot of time on it. What happened? Well, Wilde's that's the million dollar question.

The box. Oh, no. Oh, no. The box has been. Gentlemen, I have to keep it real. The Ravens are going backwards. You think? And as the physical embodiment, the human barometer, if you will, of their temperament, I must go backwards too.

So the Jordans, which have been on my feet and on the table the past few weeks, they got to go in the box. Who knows when the next time I'm outbreak? these things out. Because it is not looking good in Baltimore. And while you alluded to it, sent a three-win team, went into your house, kicked their feet up, told you to throw on WKRP in Cincinnati, put on the Ohio players on the stereo, and make them a sandwich, a team, a team. chili dog actually.

That's what they did. And the Ravens did it. And let me say this. I had no problem with the defense. The defense held, I get it they scored 32 points. They held Cincinnati a good offense with Joe Burrow.

They four times in the red zone in the first half held them to field goals. The defense was doing its job. And because it was getting no help from the offense, They eventually just gave up the goals. I mean, that's not, you don't want that,

but you can only hold a good offense down so much. If you are getting no support from your offense. You were requesting that. You said you were okay with that. Yeah, I was. I was. As tense. I don't know what's going.

This is the worst stretch in Lamar Jackson's career. And we know his rookie year, he came into the league and wasn't a great passer and all that. Yeah, I mean, in his last four games, he's got one. one touchdown and five turnovers, three interceptions, two picks. The natural thing to think is there's some type of injury, his legs. He can't do what he's normally done. But he doesn't look, he's not playing with the same confidence, with the same swagger. But he, right now, I say Lamar and the coaching right now the problem.

And here's what, Lamar in that obviously he's not playing well at all. He's playing bad. the coaching Derek Henry against a team with a bad rush defense runs for 30 yard touchdown one of the first series of the game

and then he gets two touches two carries the rest of the first half all right so I just think he had 10 carries 60 yards that's six yards of pop they don't they have you guys know I've talked about this

when they've been clicking they haven't seen to figure get a great handle on when they use Lamar when they use tendery and it's just really biting them right now. But it's not looking good. Look, thank God for the AFC North because they got a shot to win the division.

But in a wide open AFC, even if the Chiefs are out, a wide open AFC, they don't look capable of doing any damage at all. Now, I think Lamar can turn it around, but right now they are looking terrible. Well, it's all about Lamar Jackson. Like you alluded to the numbers. I have some of the numbers. I didn't go the last four games, but I did the last three. games. And when you look at it, it's alarming because early in the year, we were talking about a guy that

did not turn the ball over and throw interceptions. He's not throwing touchdowns. He's not accurate right now. Completion percentage is plummeted. Like the last three games, he is just, I'm just going to look at the Ravens through the lens of Lamar Jackson. If he's on the field, the likelihood of this team being good, we thought, was higher. With him, playing the way that he's playing right now and them not giving uh Derek Derek Henry the ball like it's an issue because Lamar Jackson is going in the wrong direction and I think Todd Monkin is torn like we can blame it on Todd Monkin and coordinator if we want this is Lamar Jackson this is

all Lamar Jackson I just would like Todd Monkin to recognize because I feel like they are so high on Lamar and as it as our as am I but we When a guy is in a slump, you got to do something to get him out. And I think they're trying to throw the ball to get him out and eliminating Derek Henry all together in their run game. And it should be the opposite right now. Especially their defense is giving you something to hang your hat on. I'm not as bullish on their defense. But this is a Lamar Jackson issue.

When they were having success as an offense, it was largely because of Lamar Jackson. And after practice, they were able to play pop a shot. They're off some steam. They're failing. They haven't been the same. Lamar Jackson. Well, yeah, and to your point, Greg, it's four straight games with less than a 90 pass rating, three straight less than 80, three straight with no touchdown.

Neither of those have ever happened at any point of his career. So he's in his worst stretch football of his career as a starter. And even honestly, that dates back to his rookie year. He didn't have four straight games. Yeah, he wasn't. Remember, they went on a win streak and everything. He was so dynamic with his legs that it was okay. He wasn't great passing at the time.

Now, I was surprised when early in the game he broke, not even like a crazy long run. But I was like, oh, wow, that's something. And the fact that I was surprised by it is jarring. So I do think, you guys know I have thought the last couple of years the roster is a touch overrated by folks in the media. So I'm not going to act like the GM has no accountability. and I just said Lamar's playing the worst football of his life, so he has accountability. But to Wilde's point, the roster, and Lamar's, obviously, the Raven's Hope is their quarterback for the next 10 years, God willing.

Which leads us to this, John Harbaugh should be coaching for his job the rest of the year. I agree. Wow. I actually felt that way this whole season. And to where, like, obviously if they miss the playoffs, I think that, and you can say, do I feel the same way about Andy? Because they miss the playoffs.

The answer is no, because there's such a different track record. No, I'm trying to, they're both six and six, both have Hall of Fame quarterbacks in their prime, but one team has felt like constantly underachieved, right? And that, but even if, to your point, Brew, they make the playoffs, but by default and then get clocked, and if they look like this in the playoffs and they lose, you know, in the wild card around to Buffalo or.

whomever they would play in the 4-5 matchup, I just don't know how Baltimore can run it back again. I agree. Like, you know, Lamar was hurt a couple years, fine, that's why. But then you were the one seed, you'll lose the AFC title game. Last year, you can't get past Buffalo. If this

year, you miss the playoffs, you're losing round one, just go backwards, three consecutive years, you have to make a significant change. He's just hurt, though. I don't mean to just oversimplify it. He's hurt. Even if he's hurt, I agree with Nick, because we're forgetting this because right now the offensive struggles are so front and center, it's always something.

They started one and the offense is great, which it was early on. It was the defense. If the offense and defense are great, they're missing kicks or they're getting a lot of penalties. Like they have found a way constantly over the last few years to beat themselves in one way or the other. He shouldn't be playing this poorly even at less than 100%. No, your superstars have to be just. that. They have to be a difference maker. And we can compare it to Kansas

City. As much as we've seen Kansas City struggle, Patrick Mahomes has not been the reason why, you can point to Patrick Mahomes. That's the reason why they've been that bad. No. But when you look at the Ravens right now, obviously the defense in the front half of the season. Right now, when we

watch them play, Lamar is a part of the problem, and that can be the case. So if he's hurt, you just want him to play, like. Play better. The answer's play better. I mean, again, like, I don't think he's a guy that, like, it doesn't seem like there's some guys like, I'm hurt, but I'm still great. From the last four games, that hasn't been in. Right, but that's a problem.

I mean, the thing is, like, we, this is one of the greatest players ever. It's a guy who a lot of people think should be the two-time in a row defending league MVP. and his injuries are, he doesn't have a sprain throwing shoulder. I've been told force-fed this narrative the last 18 months that Lamar Jackson, the pure pocket passer, is as good as anybody in the league. Can't push off.

I'm glad you're saying this because as a receiver, if a receiver has a lower extremity injury, but he's still out there playing and he's dropping balls, are we blaming the injury to be the reason why they're dropping? No, it's like nothing's wrong with your hands. Catch, at least catch the ball. That's what I'm seeing with Lamar Jackson.

If he's hurt, I get that. But can he not throw him? Him being hurt would explain not running. The rest of it. And it might explain us a drop in efficiency. Correct. But not from 40 touchdowns, four turnovers, the highest passer rating in the history of football,

to what has been a month now. Right. More turnover this month than all last season. All right. They have got the Steelers next who just gave up 250 yards on the ground to the bill. Get the robe in the box. Let's go. Out.

Wow. Put it in the basement right now. I hope to bring it back out at some point. But right now in the basement. We don't actually have a basement. Coming up next. Make a basement. Put it in.

Head to Pittsburgh where the Steelers are down 23-7. Rogers. And sexy about that. Throws to nowhere, one of 11 incompletions on the night. But this one was John Smith's fault. You know how I know it? He told me. Take a listen.

When there's film sessions, everybody shows up. And when I check through a route, you do the right route. You know, like John and I just were on the same page. I checked to his inn breaker and he ran an outbreaker. You know, John is a true professional. So I'm sure he's, you know, he's sick, sick about that. Craig, your reaction. I'm going to get on Giannu really quick.

You can't do that to your quarterback. Everybody knows you run the wrong route. It's typically going to be when you're playing with a veteran quarterback, even the commentators are calling, and I don't care who was calling the game, they're typically going to side with the quarterback. This one was kind of obvious. It was on the receiver.

However, like, these are, and I don't mind the chewing out, but when you go in front in your press or in your post-game interview and you just completely uncover all that happened and talk about film sessions and then talk about he's a true professional. You can't, like, come on, man. Well, it made me think someone else was, like, I don't think John is the one missing film. Yeah, I understand that, but it's like he's spoken at all

these other things to almost elude why this offense is struggling or why they've had some issues or why this would be a thing. But also trying not to blame Janu because this just happens. Look, this was terrible. This was bad. And I give Aaron credit for going out there and playing with the cast on his hand. But if you, Brett Farr have told me this one time. And I will never look at people who choose to play injured the same. If you are a guy and you are an elite of the elite and you choose to play injured, you better be, the expectation is for you to still be 80% of who you are. And it's like, when I look at that and I look at Rogers and I look at that offense,

he's not. And it's not even because he's not one of the elite of the elites. he just can't get it done in the fashion that he once could. But this Pittsburgh offense, not to be able to run on the Buffalo bills, not to be able to throw. Well, listen, it's terrible. And they couldn't take advantage of the bills without both their tackles, the Pittsburgh defense, that I, the T.J. Wants, been MIA.

Like, right, they couldn't. So there's major problems with Pittsburgh that, you know, are part of the reason Bruce's mediocre Ravens are in such a cat. We're in good shape. But the Roger's stuff to me is just so galling. And it's so, it's just, I'm not surprised by it. It's just Scorpion and the Frog again and again and again. But since we've been doing this show, do you think there is a single instance of Patrick Mahomes or Josh Allen or Joe Burrow or Matt Stafford or Lamar Jackson's receivers making a mistake?

point. I would guess, yeah. I can't name them, but I know Mike Williams didn't know the red line and John Husmith didn't know the hand signal. You know what I mean? Like immediately. I know it. That was this year's red line. Right. That was exactly right. Which is, it always, by

the way, it's amazing that none of these communication mistakes ever happen in a 240-yard three touchdown game when Rogers played really well. And one of the incompletions was a mistake. It always comes in a game when Rogers

was awful and the team lost and he looked old and then it's like oh by and listen obviously do your point they missed the hand signal you know he ran the I'm not acting like he didn't run the wrong route people make mistakes in pro football all the time and one of the reasons quarterbacks

make the most money is the unspoken and sometimes kind of spoken agreement of you take it all yeah and I the who was the quarterback that said if your kid late for school

blame it on me the Gino Gino my guy Gino and I mean and that was taking it maybe a little bit far but that's better than this and so

and so I just I don't I've said it before I will say it again I just do not feel like I is a good teammate or a good leader which is why I believe one of the three or four most

physically talented players to ever play that position, one, probably the least someone of his talent could have over the course of his career. That's what that's, I think that little extra thing is not there. Well, look, they, I mean, we'll see how this goes, but they, this could very well be Mike Thomas first losing season. Now, and I think obviously that'll look bad on Aaron Rogers, but I think it won't look as bad as I would have thought it did. In the beginning of the season,

when we were toying, I was toying with that prediction because the defense has been so bad. And I get what you're saying about Rogers. He's done this, his whole career. It's like he'll take some blame because he did say, hey, I overthrew the long ball,

you know, thought the wind was going to catch it. I overthrew it. But there's maybe some insecurity there where even if he takes a shot at himself, he has to make sure he's, not the only one he's kind of taking a shot at. He's throwing, you know what I mean? He's saying others messed up too.

I will say this about whoever's missing the film sessions. I mean, if you're missing film sessions that you're supposed to be at, then all is fair. I can't sigh with you when your quarterback calls you out. If you're missing film sessions, that's also on me. I mean, show you're a professional. I'm not your daddy. I'm not your handler.

Then don't say it in the media. That's the part. I would, I would, if we were like, If I miss a show or, you know, do something egregious, I agree. I would rather you not say it. But I messed up. And whatever comes my way because I messed up, hey, let me take a downability. But, you know.

So this is my only issue with this is like if John O'Smith wants to go out there and talk about him taking accountability and running the wrong route, great. We need to get the context from him, not the quarterback, not something. someone who, because what you're alluding to in terms of Patrick Mahomes and Lamar, but I'll use Patrick Mahomes as an example we always talk about him because he chooses to not do this intentionally. Because he understands

from his position I'm going to need them to perform at some point. When I truly need them, I need them to know that I've never lost faith in you and I've never started to doubt you. I may struggle with it

But when you do these types of things, like, naturally, it just creates a small little riff. I don't know if you watch the playback, Greg, but there was like breakdowns on it that he like switched to like a choke call or whatever. And again, it was like kind of they were trying to figure it out what the exact call was. Is it on the quarterback, if I check out of a play on the quarterback, you're the wires. Is it on me to make sure you saw that I checked out of it? Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like, all right, you know, he would always do that pistol thing.

Do I have to be like, hey, you know. Yeah, so the thing with Aaron Rogers, and again, I've played with him for years, he's not going to always, like, he did give the signal, but sometimes when you're not trying to bring a lot of attention to that signal, you don't really look at the player. Like, I'm not going to look at Nick and say, it's just a subtle whatever, but his expectation is for me, Me to always have my eyes on him.

And so you saw the signal he's assuming, but in this case, he kind of knew. Okay. And so as a receiver, you have to take that part of accountability. Believe it or not, that play didn't, that play was not worth 16. They still went. He was 23-7. He completes 47% of his passes. Oz in New York, the show that had to ask, how many wins are the Patriots going for tonight in a row?

It's tough. You guys are trying to scratch out a win here and there to claw your way to 500. No, we're actually both at 500, despite losses. Oh, well, excuse me. Ravens are in the first place. Oh, wow. Yeah, that's true. First place is.

Listen, I have never, I am a well-known Drake May guy, and I pick the Patriots to make the playoffs. You're going to. Make the playoffs. I am going to experience in real time what people say to me or about me, which is, Man, I used to root like Mahomes and the Chiefs. But Nick is so obnoxious that I've turned on them. I was like, no way. That wouldn't happen.

You're one of those people. I'm about to speed run that with you in the past. Why? Because at least the Chiefs were an actual dynasty. An actual dynasty? Yeah. You guys were renting. You guys were like, who rented?

Who rented? You can't say that. Of course I can't about this era of football. This century, we had a dynasty. We gave it to you for a little while. Then you guys are going to miss the playoffs. We take it back. It's okay.

Second hour of first things first. Today, can the Cowboys make a run at the playoffs? I probably think too many teams can just run the team. Yeah. The Bengals is the Cowboys, the Chiefs. Meanwhile, can Lamar bounce back? The guys hurt. The guy's hurt, okay?

Give him some grace for everything he's done. He's hurt. That was an injured? Yes, his toe hurts. So that's what caused him to throw the ball into the ground? I thought that should have been an incompletion. Tuck, Rulie, of course you did. Your old dynasty is based on a lie.

Right now, Chiefs went into Dallas and lost. They're six and six. Mahomes had one of the best games of his year. Not enough. Here he is after the game. We can beat anybody, but I mean, we've shown that we can lose to anybody. And so we've got to be more consistent. It starts with me being consistent throughout the entire game, not in just big moments.

And that's something that we have to do throughout an entire game and week to week. It's not just one time. And we obviously see the last week we have a big win. And then you come here and play another good football team and you don't come to play. Are you surprised the chief's lost? Do you want Greg? Greg's hands. We have my home.

No. The, yeah, I mean, I, I obviously Greg, am, but I don't know what he said. Sorry, sorry, I am surprised. I am surprised they lost because I picked them when I picked them to cover. But if they were going to lose, I knew it would be in that exact fashion. Wow. Because I just did not think it was on the board that Patrick was going to have a poor game. And that's kind of what we argued about on Wednesday.

and my score prediction for the game, if you guys remember, was 3127. Like I thought it was going to be, they were going to have to win in a shootout. They end up losing, you know, almost by that exact 31, 28 in the other direction. Because when they've lost, Greg, it has been this exact fashion. They have six losses. Three of them, they were trailing entering the fourth quarter. Patrick led a fourth quarter comeback. got the lead back, and then they lost anyway.

That is the same with the giants who fired their coach because of it, and the dolphins whose coach is on the perma hot seat in part because of it. Now, I don't blame Andy for this. I blame this next graphic for this, which is they can't get off the field on third and long. And it was the first drive of the game. They had three third and longs. They didn't go off the field.

once the Chiefs traded Tyree Kill, yes, they didn't score as many points, but the defense was elite. This year, they're the fourth worst, third and long defense. They have the fourth fewest turnovers force. They have the sixth fewest sacks. So they're not making splash plays.

They're not getting off the field. And that's how you blow leads. That's how you lose games. Yeah, I was surprised that they lost this game, simply because obviously, with having the coats come into town and their backs were already up against the wall, you get that type of a win.

You feel like, man, they can build on that because they had a great performance against a really good offensive unit and they got it done. You go into Dallas, questions on their defense. Is it for real? You know what they did against Philly, but let's see if it's really, for real,

the offense that the chiefs were running. I loved what I saw. in all honesty, I know I give you a hard time. I just didn't think that they would drop this game. Now, in saying that, to support your point, this team has found ways like in uncharted territory, really, to beat themselves. And it's just not been what we've become accustomed to seeing with the Chiefs. Not only on third down, it's who gets penalties.

Like, the Cowboys had five first down. and just penalties. And it's the guys that you just don't see. Regardless of how you felt about the penalty or not, Trent McDuffie, the passing PI calls. Like, we just don't see these guys make these mistakes. The third and eight dropped by Rishi Rice, the drop by Kelsey. Like, it's every time they get a step or take a step in the right direction,

something happens. Like Patrick Mahomes has the best game that we've seen them have. and it's like, man, the defense just couldn't stop a nosebleed in that game. And it's unfortunate because what we're seeing in your division, the AFC North, we would like to see this team in the postseason before we see any of those teams. No, not on this side of the time. Speak for yourself. I was, I picked the chiefs to win, so I'm surprised they lost, not shocked, but surprised.

A new Dallas could beat them. I'm surprised at how it happened. Because you guys, I was saying last week, I don't think Dallas is going to put up a ton of points on that defense. I thought the defense was showed up. I predicted 2724 chiefs. And this season, every time Mahomes has cooked like this, they won. Baltimore, he throws four touchdowns, no interceptions. They win.

Detroit, Vegas, and Washington, three touchdowns, no interceptions, high pass a rating, they won. So this is the first time. for him to have four touchdowns in a big game and them to lose is rare. That defense has been a top five-ish defense this season. And yesterday or against Dallas on Thursday, they just couldn't stop them. And that was what was stunning to me. And look, that defense has been there for Mahomes at times. Their last two losses, Buffalo.

I know Buffalo has some success offensively, but Buffalo and Denver, Mahomes didn't play that well. The defense was better. That's what happens. That happens with my team all the time, the Ravens. But finding a way to lose, as you were saying, like if Mahomes is great, but the defense doesn't show up. The defense is great, but Mahomes not at his best.

The penalties. Like, this year, they are just hurting themselves in ways that we haven't seen the Chiefs do this before. Okay. I correctly predicted it. Well, that's KW. This is like the fourth time. you've said that. The argument we had was which quarterback would play better.

Oh, but statistically, you got, you won that argument. Well, well, it was it was a surprise at your answer four touchdowns. That was good. I don't know. That that that. That's that. That's, that's great. You used to be a QB wins guy. That's no way. Mahomes outplayed DAC that game. Wow. A hundred percent. You notice what we're not talking about? I'm just, no, Cowboys. Didn't even come up in the meeting. I won three in a row.

Beat both the last year's Super Bowl teams in the span of four days. Currently have a 24% chance to make the playoffs courtesy of the athletic playoff predictor. Here's Dak Prescott. You're talking about two organizations that obviously know how to win, and we just beat them both in two great games, as you said, in four days, and just showing the resiliency of this unit, of this brotherhood, on top of everything that we've been through. Yeah, I don't know if there's been two more impressive wins, but I can tell you right now that we're not going to just sit on some high because of that.

We know we've got a big one coming again next week, and all this really does for us is just give us more confidence, knowing that we can go play with whoever. Holy cow, they've got the Lions on Thursday. Anyone starting to believe in the Cowboys to the playoffs? Strong no? I was waiting, Greg. I thought great.

I'll go. I do think there are definitely a playoff Cal. team right now, but I still wonder if it's just too little too late. I do think this Detroit game is huge. And I actually think they'll beat Detroit. I think they're better than Detroit. Detroit, I think it's reeling a little bit. I think the Cowboys will win that game.

And then we saw their schedule earlier. Those are all games they could win. In the past, I would have thought, and sometimes it was in the playoffs. But in the past, I would think there's no way the Cowboys are going to run off. that many wins that they need to a right. And I kind of feel that way. The question I have is has Brian Schottenheimer changed the culture in that locker room enough where after they win if they went four straight that they don't relax, they don't get the big

head or whatever. Jerry's going to start saying some stuff. But can they ignore it to the point where they will keep their hand to the plow and be able to win out against teams they should beat after. after Detroit. So I would tend to think no. I'm going to say no, they probably won't. I don't think they'll make the playoffs.

So you expect them to beat the Lions. I do expect them to beat the Lions. See, I'm not there yet. Really? Yeah. The Lions aren't just, I mean, I'm not saying they're not a good team. They're clearly not what they've been. And by the way, there were seven teams last year that won 12 games.

Detroit, Kansas, Philly, Minnesota, Buffalo, Baltimore, Washington. All of them are worse than they were last year. The only one that's close is Buffalo. Like Kansas City, Detroit, Philly, Minnesota, Baltimore, Washington, markedly worse than they were last year. And so like this

is a very, it's a very weird season in that all of the teams that were excellent last year are faltering. Again, Buffalo's the one that may be saying we're the same caliber. Yet despite that, the playoffs appear harder to get into than any time since they've expanded it. So, like, since they, we're talking about, one of the reasons we think the Cowboys are in trouble is

because they have to win out, because they have to get to 11 wins. Since they've expanded the playoffs, there's been nine teams make the wild card around with nine or eight or nine wins, like not win the division, make, and only two 10-win teams, 10-win teams ever have missed the playoffs since they've expanded it.

And we're talking about the Chiefs, if they go 10 and 7, they're cooked. The Cowboys, if they go 10, 6, and 1, we think they're cooked. So it's a very weird year in that regard. And so because of that, Greg, I think that they right now look like a team that has an MVP candidate quarterback, a legitimate MVP candidate if we remove record, just like how he's playing. Right now, the best receiver duo in football. So a top four-ish offense and post-trade deadline. line, a middle of the pack

defense, that's like a nine and three team at this point of the season. So I believe that they are playoff to Bruce's point, like they are at that level. I do not believe that they are going to reel off the requisite wins. And I also, I think

they're right now about the same caliber as Detroit, which is since the game's in Detroit and Detroit, you know, I would just anticipate that Detroit wins that game. Yeah, so this is a team that I believe in them, but not to make the playoffs. Like, this is the team that everybody's identifying now as you bet not let them in.

You bet not let this team in the post season. If they find a way to get in, it's going to be problems. And we're seeing that. I just, I think it's too late. And I continue to make reference of this game. That Cardinals lost. The Cardinals game is. It almost sealed the deal to this.

them in part because a couple weeks ago we were talking about this three-game slate, man, they got the Chiefs, they got the, obviously the Eagles, the Chiefs and the Lions, they're losing one of them games. And I still, I'm with Nick. I still think, not that I don't believe that they can win, I just don't think Detroit loses. Like, they haven't lost back-to-back games. Detroit's coming off a loss. They're going to find a way to bounce back.

That stat is starting to like spooking a little. I understand that, but it's like Dan Campbell finds a way to get those guys up to play. But this Cowboys team, I believe in them moving forward. It just may be too late because of all the teams out west in the NFC that already have nine wins. The teams in the, obviously the NFC North and the team that they're trying to chase down, I don't know what's going to happen with them. But that's their only. way to get not the only way, but that's what they're hoping.

That Eagles team collapsed. So that's again, and I don't want to make this a math problem for the show, but just like quickly. That's where I totally agree with you because the problem with where they are is the NFC North teams play each other. So somebody's winning the games. And so like you can basically, in my opinion, pencil in two NFC North teams. teams into the playoffs.

And so unless you think the Niners or the Seahawks or the Rams are going to full on really collapse, they're at nine wins already. The Cowboys are at six. Then you've got to be, then the only available playoff spot is, is Philadelphia, who's got four losses. You have five and a half losses, essentially. Are they going to have the weirdest four-year stretch in the history of pro football, which is go to a Super Bowl.

almost win it, start off great and then, you know, full on collapse, then win the Super Bowl, then start off great and full on collapse. Like that's... Super Bowl next year, though. Yeah, right. That's what it would mean, I guess. I think, I mean, we're going to talk about this game, but I bet the Eagles lose this next game to the Chargers. Really? God, I would... So you think, you think they're in the supernatural funk? Yeah. Okay. The vibes are so low in Philadelphia. You're getting booed on... You're a Super Bowl. It's a little champion's getting booed. It's a loud booing, though.

It wasn't just like your regulation. Also, it would be a special type of pain for the first time that there's a game that I'm rooting for the Eagles since they beat the Chiefs in the Super Bowl, they lose. Because I need the Eagles to win this weekend. I need the Eagles to win. The Bears went into Philadelphia on Friday. Left is the number one seat in the NFC. Caleb had a touchdown and interception and a tackle. Turn the time.

Jalen turned the ball over twice. What was the bigger headline for you, Nick, the Bears win or the Eagles lost? The Eagles loss. Because I, listen, I have a lot of respect for what the Bears are doing and what they're building. I know Wilds might be like wildly offended by this comp, but I feel about the Bears very similarly to how I feel about the Patriots. Like this is an awesome, awesome two-year leap in one year with the new head coach, with the young. quarterback you're building around. They have one's nine and three, one's ten and two.

They've done it very different ways. You know what I? But I don't view either of those teams as likely. Neither one of them would be one of the first six teams I would list as going to win the Super Bowl. And I know you might disagree on the Patriots part. Once you go into Philadelphia and win though, I think it's. No.

And again, and so I'm saying the same about the Bears Patriots. Like I just think probably a little soft schedule, but a couple good wins, whatever it is. To me, the story is Philly losing a game. You can't lose the way they lost it. You can't lose that game because Ben Johnson just runs all over you. You can't lose KW. This is what I thought was going to be your focus. We spent more time on this show talking about Ben Johnson, mocking the Tush Push.

That was a slicking. than anything, then we've talked about the Stanley Cup finals and the eight years the show's been on. And the Eagles got the ball taken from them on the Tush Push. And if you were listening to the broadcast, this was the other stunning piece of it. That maybe we should talk about more later this week. Al Michaels and Kirk Herbstreet saying,

we think Jalen Hertz would vote against the Tush Push. If you guys had the sound on, if you were listening, Like, it was really interesting listening to Jail and talk about it. He made it very clear. I was great at it before they started pushing me. And then Michael says, I think that if it were up to him, the Eagles would be one of the teams to vote to ban it.

So like the play they love more than anything, they get the ball taken from them. The broadcaster's real. The quarterback don't even like it. The offense isn't working. Like, I think it's fair to be worried about what the hell is going on in Philadelphia. Look, I think a lot of your points are very. It is a big story both ways, but to me, the bigger story is the Bears win.

Because I just did not believe in the Bears. Like you said, their schedule was weak. Caleb's not playing great. He's doing fine. But I think now, like I felt like the Bears were the third best team in the NFC North. I thought the Packers and Detroit were on a different level than them. Now I'm feeling like, you know what, Detroit is probably going to be the team out in that division. And now they play each other so, you know, they can determine their own fates.

But I think now, while I would not expect the Bears to get to the Super Bowl, going in the Philly, as you said, with the Eagles coming off a tough loss, with them knowing their history of, man, we can't let this thing keep rolling like this or it could be 20, 23 all over again. And getting that win. And the thing I like about the Bears, Greg, they don't go as Caleb goes. Like he wasn't he doesn't the good thing about him He does not Turn the ball over I know he had an interception in this game Another turnover

But he does not generally Turn the ball over So he might not throw for a ton of yards Or touchdowns or anything But they can move with him Because he's not committing turnovers And if he has he does make some big plays Even if he's having a bad game

And so if he does have a really good game It takes them to another level And so I think they impressed me. I mean, I was not expecting them to win that game, especially in dominant fashion. So that was the bigger story to me. Yeah, it was definitely a big story the way they were able to run the ball.

But it's the Eagles. Like, the Eagles defense had been playing lights out. Yeah. And completely got bullied, manhandled at the line of scrimmage by this Bears office. offensive line. And again, the bears can run the ball better than almost every team in the league, with the exception. I mean, they're second in rushing. But when you watch the Eagles,

like, we already knew they had issues offensively. Now you're telling me, if we run a zone run game scheme against you, the Rams did it and had great success. And now they end up losing that game, but they had great success running the ball. The Bears did it and just continued to do it. And they weren't gashing them for like 20, 50 yards. They were, it was like eight, nine, six, nine. Like that is alarming because you know your offense is puttering, sputtering. Like they can't, and you're not going to have any issues with A.J. Brown

because A.J. Brown is having great games right now. So he's fine, but they're just a really good team that is finding a way to lose. And when you look at the remainder of their schedule, you start to question, can they have a lot of games they pull it up? Exactly. Before we were looking like, man, where are they going to end up getting these losses to where the cowboys can't catch them? Now you're looking at it like, could they lose to the, I mean, if they play their game, which three? games are easy. Hold on. The Chargers. They lose three games. He's saying he's saying they're losing.

Commanders, lose the Chargers, lose to the bills. I mean, the commanders look good last night. I get it. They'll have Jaden back in division games. But Buffalo and the Chargers and the Chargers, we know Herbert now is back. But those are so all, so that's the other thing. This is why there is the biggest story. At the Chargers is a road game at, you know, one of the commanders games road game at Buffalo. It's tough.

If they, if they, I'm going to, I'm just out here firing coaches. I'm going to make a prediction. If they've missed the playoffs, I think Siriani's fired. I don't think they're going to miss the playoffs, so I don't think it's going to happen. But I think how he was- How many rules when they do. They fired Peterson after he- Screw around.

How many coaches are you fired today? Well, if they miss the playoffs, Baltimore and two. We didn't even talk about Tomlin. Well, you're right. It might be a long list. There's usually seven, eight openings, guys. Oh, college football on Saturday, number four, Duke. Number four, Duke.

I want to see. Number 11, Michigan State, make you feel old. Basketball. Boozer, young boozer. It's two of them, too. It's Saturday on Fox, 11.30 Eastern. Welcome back to first things first. Packers, sweep the lions, moves to 8, 3, and 1.

J-Lo turned into Jay. Oh, I threw four touchdowns. While Micah Parsons turned into Jay. Oh, I had two and a half sacks. That doesn't work. It sounds negative when you say it. How did Micah turn into? into Jay any.

Mike. Jay. Oh, I had two and a half sacks. Lions flirting with the play. Oh, I missed the playoffs. I don't care of golf. Jay. Oh, or.

Packers playing great against the NFC North. It struggled last year. This year, they're 3 and O. That's big for time. Winning by 13 points and turn the ball over. How dangerous are your Packers? Talking to Greg and bro. Go ahead, Greg.

Well, they're very dangerous if we get this version of them. Like, in our, I say that because when defensively, obviously with Michael being able to pressure the quarterback and you're able to stop the run, you're going to have success defensively. But offensively, if they're able to run the ball, the way that they did with Josh Jacobs,

we know what Jordan Love can do given time and he's not having to shoulder everything. This team can beat anybody. They're going to get Jaden Reed, back possibly this Sunday against the Bears. If not this Sunday then next week. And so you get

more depth at the receiver position. Another weapon for Jordan Love. We saw what Wicks did against the Lions. Offensively, they're in a really good position if they can run the ball because a lot of what they do is similar to the Rams.

A lot of their success in the passing game stems off of what they do in their formation. and their motions as it pertains to the running game. If they can't do those things in the running game, it really makes them one-dimensional, and you can't mirror all these same looks. So I love what I saw,

and if we get that version, yeah, of course, they can beat anybody. I agree that, yeah, them at their best is a Super Bowl contender, like a team that could beat anybody in NFC or the lead. And I thought, Brew, that was the first time they've looked like that since week one. I agree. Something about the Lions brings it out of them, but they looked unbelievable.

No, I agree. And Jordan obviously was great. But Greg and Josh Jacobs had some great runs, no doubt. And they need that. But the money they're paying Jordan, the stature that, you know, he kind of has in the league. I mean, he's not a star yet, but people feel like he should become one. He's often in the preseason, not just with me, but talked about as a guy that could win the MVP. Even like he and the receivers are my biggest question with them.

What Jordan, and he hasn't turned it over this year. He's only got, I think, three interceptions. I think he's going on five straight games without a pick. So he hasn't been turning over, but he was special in this game. And he has to be special more often. And I think you can't, and the receivers too. They drop in too many, getting Jaden Reed back will help. They still have a lot of other guys injured, but they have depth at the receiver position,

not greatness, but a lot of good depth. And so if they get B plus and above level Jordan Love and receivers, then I do think they can beat anybody because the defense is for the most part going to be there. Micah is the exact, I mean, he's the first player in league history of 12 sacks in each of his first five seasons.

And it's because he is, and this phrase gets overused, but it's not incorrect with him, a generational talent. He is one of the best pure pass rushers in the history of professional football. And I understand that because of the Jerry Jones media machine, we started talking about one of the greatest pure pass rushers

as if he were a nose tackle and like, well, how does he stop the run? But those TFLs, by the way, are against running backs. And so, you know, he, as Tyler Dunn put it, he detonates games. And that is to me what he did. And so I was wildly impressed by the Packers, who I have not been, high on what they have produced. I was high on the idea of the Packers. And so with that game, I thought, was awesome.

I also think that this thing getting away from Dan Campbell and the Lions is a disaster. The Lions missing the playoffs is a disaster. Now, he's not one of the coaches I'm firing if they miss the playoffs. But they last, right. I mean, and Dan, they make the conference championship game. they're up 17 on Brock Purdy and the Niners. They lose. Dan Campbell was like,

we might not be back here. The next year, they're better. They have 15 wins. They're injured at the end of the year. They lose their first playoff game. If they then miss the postseason when they have been, I understand nobody's fully healthy, but we don't look at the lions like,

oh, man, they were devastated by injury this year. Laporte is out. They've dealt with some offensive line issues. They, you know, they have an injured retired center who's now still going to stay retired because he's injured. I'm in Ross St. Brown get hurt in that game. Right, but he's been healthy throughout the year. Yeah.

And so it just would be, it would be really, really tough for the Lions with this much talent. Because they do have one of the best rosters in football. They don't find their way into the postseason. And Wild's beloved athletic playoff predictor. 30% gives them a 30% chance to make the playoffs. And they're also going to lose to the Cowboys on Thursday. Wow. You agree with me.

Early upset alert for you, KW. You just mocking me or you actually feel that way? I think the Cowboys went, yes. Where's the magician? Colts have lost. Like the Colts. Two in a row. Daniel Jones has a broken leg.

This doesn't seem to be talking about enough, Greg. It doesn't. Guys got broken leg. Luckily, Greg just explained to us what Brett Farve told him. Sauce Gardner left the game yesterday with a non-contact injury, only out a couple weeks, though. But still, I do not love that at all. Here's the AFC standings. Jags, Colts, Texans, and then my Titans

are 1 in 11. But the odds. N.A. They won't even let you place a bet on the Titans. Cam Ward's like, let's go. It's fourth and two, we got one win. Can we go for it? Greg, are your Colts done? No, they're not done, but boy, they are slipping.

And it's getting, we're going to find out who they are. Like, and to your point, you talk about the injury, the leg. as I tell my kids, no one cares. No one cares. That's what you tell your kids when they get an A on a test. You're like, no one cares. Shut them. I mean.

But no one cares about the injury because you've had so much success. I look at this team and I look at the rest of their remaining schedule. And I'm like, okay, they have to bully one of these teams. Who they bully? It better be the Jax. Jax are sneaky good? They're sneaky good. But are you saying that the Jags are, you believing in them?

I mean, against a quarterback with a broken leg. I mean. Yes. The Prince is not great. I think he can outplay a guy with a broken leg. And so here's the thing. If Daniel Jones has a clean pocket, we saw it even yesterday. He has to have a clean pocket.

He has to be protected. If that's the case, I love what they're going to be able to do. if they can still run the ball. If that's not the case and they're starting to get injured with non-contact, you get sossed, you gave up a whole lot to get them. Obviously, you knew what you were going to look like

or you were hoping to look like while getting that, acquiring him. It's going to be hard for them, but I trust the Colts before I trust the Jacksonville Jaguars. Here's why I don't think he should. Because through hook or crook, the Jags are playing some of their best ball and the cults have been bad for a month.

The Colts best game the last month was lost to the Chiefs. That's the best game they played and they collapsed down the stretch. Show that schedule again and let's dig in to this fictitious team. They're in trouble. They bought into their own hype and traded two first round picks for a corner who's a very good player and sadly is hurt, but I think they're going to regret that. Because what you will look at that when you really, it's like, okay, that win over Atlanta was in overtime. Right?

I think that was a London or Berlin game or Germany game. So it's been tough football for a month. The win over Denver, you give them credit for it, Denver's an excellent team. That was the game where they missed the game winning kick and there was a leverage penalty called. So they have two wins to hang their hat on this year.

The Denver game, which was in the final moment, and that charger game, which was an excellent win. If they lose in Jacksonville this weekend, they're going to lose five straight. they're going to get beat up by Seattle. See, I can see them going one and four. I see them splitting with Jacksonville. No, no, no.

And then they can lose. Oh, you misunderstood what I meant, bro. I meant five straight, including their two losses they already had. Oh, okay. I'm saying that if they lose to the Jags, that'll be three straight. Yeah. And then losing the two West Coast games. And then all of a sudden, I understand mathematically they won't be like eliminated by any stretch.

But the soft data. The vibe shift from being 8 and 2 to being 8 and 7, I don't know that you recover from. They're done. I think they're done. And we'll see, because if we were to put up the Jags schedule, is not his stuff.

You know what you like about the Jags schedule? They get to play the Colts. They get to play the Colts. Yeah, you would say, if we're looking at them, you would like, well, they play the Colts. You're not sitting here saying that the Colts are just, completely done because they don't have a good team. We're focusing on just Daniel Jones and the drop of play.

If he can, if they can protect him, he can still make throws. Teams have figured out, like the Rams, Pittsburgh, Kansas City, Houston, they make John, they stop Jonathan Taylor.

Keep him under 100 yards, no rushing touchdowns, and they beat him because they're trying to make Jones beat him. And now he's got an injured leg. He's got a broken leg. Saturday first time in conference history, number one, number two, Big Ten title game. Ohio State versus Indiana. Heisman on the line.

This is a fascinating game. Saturday 630 only on Fox. We're going to discuss that game. I'm from both states. I wonder. Lane Kiffin headed to LSU. Literally had fans giving him the middle finger on the tarmac, so they're not too happy enough. Old Miss 11 and one, but Lane's leaving that.

as they head to the playoff. Kiffin writing on social media, you know what, I was hoping to complete a historic six season run this year by leading Ole Miss through the playoffs, capitalizing on the team's incredible success in their commitment to finish strong and investing everything into a playoff run

with guardrails in place to protect the program in any areas of concern. Ole Miss AD said, no thanks. Pack your bags and we'll put your clothes outside on a rack like it's bruised robe. Do you see that picture? Yeah, Nick, your reaction to this Lane Kiffin drama. He's old enough to know you never get everything you want.

You got to make choices, man. And I have found some of the coverage of this informative and some of the coverage of this embarrassing. Obviously, the college football calendar is a problem. Obviously, you know, you would like to think there is a body in place that could put up guardrails that prevent. Same reason why nobody in the last five years have been like, hey, Andy Reid,

right for the playoffs start, 30 million a year to leave the Chiefs. You know why? Nobody's done it because they're not allowed. No, no. Not like that, but like the Broncos. Right, exactly. And so that doesn't exist in college football. So those are big systemic issues. We all know that. But ultimately, this came down to one man's decision. And that man, Lane Kiffin, right or wrong, decided what was best for him and his career and his bank account and his legacy and those are all within his right is to leave this

program on the precipice of its greatest moments in the history of the program. And that's fine. I really believe that's fine. You can dislike it, but it's fine. but with that you forfeit the sympathy of like man this was hard it was a choice it was a choice that you made that you decided would make you happiest so don't then tell me about how sad you are and so that's you know that's my reaction i agree there's no sympathy for him um and the real villain is the NCAA call it's ridiculous i mean come on it's just total foolishness that's said, this is, for the time being, this is college football. It's year to year. And I typically feel, and even still feel for the kids, because they went there wanting

to play for Lane Kiffin. I get that. But some of those kids that play in the playoff are going to transfer next year. Right now, college football is year to year. And you have a chance. I get it, why they're upset with Lane Kiffin. He's not just leaving the program. He's going down the street.

street LSU. I get all that. But you're Ole Miss. You're not LSU. You're not Florida. You are not a blue blood type program. This is your one shot to win the championship. It's year to year.

I would go for it if I'm in it. Now, unless the players are just so ticked off that they're done with him, but if the players are fine with it, I would have been like, man, I get it he's leaving, but this is our chance to win the championship as Ole Miss. Yeah, no, I hear you brew, but no. Look, man, as it pertains to how things work in college football, like when a player decides I'm out, I'm done, it's hard for them to then walk back into a locker room and be like, but hold on, before I go, though,

let me play one more game with you guys. You just, the vibes are talking about. Man, I think I'm out of here. Yeah, absolutely. amongst players. They haven't accepted the transfer, the transfer, put themselves in the transfer portal and all the things.

When a coach does this, like we appreciate all the, my number one coach that I've ever, that has ever coached me is down there with Lane Kiffin right now. George McDonald, phenomenal coach. And I believe,

I don't know this, like, it's hard to have him coach these games because he's potentially going to start plucking these coaches too. So you're going to have a coaching staff that is trying to be vested in winning something for an organization in a program that hasn't done these things before in Ole Miss and then completely try to focus on, you know, what are we going to do, having these side meetings of how are we, who are we thinking about hiring on this side? No, it's, my wife and I talk

about this all the time. When somebody puts in a two-week notice, they're already checked out. I don't need you. Thank you for the courtesy, but you can go ahead and go. Because I know you're not going to give me the same level of vested interest because you're now distracted. You have a pool somewhere else. It's not just about the kids. That's the reality of it.

Live from New York, it's a show that's celebrating the number one-seeded bears. No shots fired. You did a great job. Thank you. Got a one seat out here. We got a two-seed. We got a four-seed and a ten-seat. They're both.

six and six. Let's all. Thank you. That is irrelevant. That is not irrelevant. We are number one in the division. We got the same record.

Bring the robot then. Yeah, exactly. Why are we? Bring the robot. Wow. From the man who invented S. Bob, I mean, this is right now just getting to play.

Okay. Right now. Today, bar has been lowered. On first things first, overtime. went wrong in Philadelphia. They played the Bears. Meanwhile, the stat that says the Steelers just had a historically bad game.

It's not packed stats, but it is just... So it's not going to be cool? No, it's not cool. It's just boring stats. It's just boring, dry stats. But we're starting with a Chicago Bears win. They run all over the Eagles, 281 on the ground, almost twice the time of possession. Here's the Bears locker room, a shirtless Ben Johnson, and the NFC playoff picture.

I know you guys are hungry for more, right? It's it! Let me tell you something, the city of Chicago is hungry too. I have to admit. It's so great. That may have turned me. Yeah! I mean, the players are...

The players love it. The vibes are sky. Yes. If you're the king of vibes, KW. The vibes are high on that. I was ready to mock it. One seat in vibes, one seat in the NFC. Also, it's sneaky similar physical.

to you KW. No, I'm much more cut. You are? Oh, I look like white Greg Jennings. Oh, okay. I didn't know that. A little bit. What did the Bears prove?

What an enjoyable sporting event, no congratulatory text from any of you guys. What did they prove? You're right. O for three. Grootette, totally silent on Friday. You're right. Congratulations Winning five years for any team I've heard for.

Crickets. Yeah. They proved a lot. They proved short term that they can whoop you. Like the style of the fight was, oh my God, like, they went into Philly on a short week and ran for 280 yards on the champs. Like, that's just a thing that the league takes notice of. Yes. Long term, like very macro for the Bears, this is an organization that every two or three years turns over.

head coaches. Like, Ben Johnson is pretty incredible. Like, I, I am thrilled. I am like football smitten. Like, he, it feels like he will be the coach. I think more than football smitten. Yeah, I mean, that's, that's, that's totally fair. Like, it feels like he'll be there for a decade. And he's a great play caller, and he's changed the culture. And, I mean, literally last year on Thanksgiving, we all watched a Bears head coach forget that he's allowed to call a time out. And then on Black Friday this year, they do that. But for this season, I think it proved that they can win a Super Bowl. This season?

Yeah. Now, is that the most likely outcome? Of course not. But the Rams just lost to the Panthers, and the Chiefs are going to miss the playoffs. And there's questions about every team in the NFL. It doesn't seem like the year where there's a dominant team or even groups of teams. And so if we can show you what the Bears are. Bears have been under Ben Johnson since their buy.

Their buy was in week five. So we have a large body worth. They won nine of their last 10 games. I didn't realize the rushing yards are that high. They're the best running team in the NFL. They're the most explosive offense in the NFL. They're the best takeaway team in the NFL. They're the best turnover differential team in the NFL.

And right now, the NFC playoffs would go through Chicago. So you'd have to go play in 20-degree weather against the number one rushing team in the NFL, that's not a team anyone is going to want to play. So yeah, they can win a Super Bowl. So listen, I think that the Bears have proven, and I said this earlier, but I want to kind of dive into it more. To me, they have proven exactly what the Pats have proven, which is ahead of schedule.

It would be for the Patriots, it's almost impossible. For the Bears, it's not impossible, but it would take a collapse for them to miss the playoffs. Like at this point, it would be a catastrophe if they missed the playoffs. And you feel really good about the teams for different reasons, to be totally honest. Like, to me, the Bears are a more complete team with a quarterback that is still more hot and cold. The Pats, to me, are a team that has, I'm talking on the offensive side of the ball, some pretty obvious weaknesses that the quarterback masks. But their resumes season-wide, if you put them next to each other,

very, very similar. So, seventh, eighth in points, six, eighth in yards. So again, the Patriots third in passing, 20th and rushing, the Bears, 16th in passing, second in rushing, to your point of what travels better

in the playoffs, whether it's going to Chicago or in the NFC, going to Green Bay, if they don't win the division, going to Philadelphia, they get it together. I buy that. I personally would be shocked if either one of these teams wins the Super Bowl. I'd be less shocked if the Pat's made it, actually, because the AFC feels more wide open.

But I don't, I think that, and the reason to me those two teams are a good juxtaposition is they both have the second year quarterback. They both have the new head coach. They both have benefited from up to this point a soft schedule, but they both have a signature win. Yeah. Like, you guys won, it was in Buffalo, right? It was in Buffalo. It wasn't as dominant, but it felt because it's a divisional opponent, like, so important. and you guys going into Philadelphia in a game that I had Bears plus 7 as one of the picks on Wednesday,

but it wasn't because of Brew, I thought it was going to look like that. You know what I mean? I thought that Philly's offense might be just terrible, and Phillies' offense kind of was, but I didn't think the Bears were going to pile up 450 yards of offense on what had been one of the three or four best defenses in football the last three months. I mean, they had held the Eagles, the Lions and the Packers, to 16 total points in the back-to-back games. So Danny, your boys impressed me. You know, I did not believe in them.

I mean, I thought they- Who's the him in this right now, Ben Johnson or Caleb? I'm not, I'm being serious. When you said you're- You said- The boys, boy, yeah, just the bears. Oh, sorry. Yeah, Ben Johnson's, you just got to give him love.

And you can see Caleb really appears to fully believe in Ben Johnson, which I just think is going to be great for his career going forward as he continues to grow. But I now I think sure this is a year where it looks like is there any is there one? I think the Rams are great team. Maybe and I get I'm not going to hold the Carolina loss against them too much because it happens, right? They might lose five games this year. So they, you know, but I just haven't been as high on the Rams as you are.

So I'll give you that that there doesn't look like there are many if any great teams. and so why not the bears? But what I like too about them is as good as they're playing right now, they're still major growth because Caleb's not playing great. He's not playing as well as Drake May. Like he's still very up and down.

He doesn't turn the ball over, which is fantastic. So even if he's not putting up huge numbers or throwing a lot of touchdowns, they still can win, you know, and play well. But imagine when he's, he really start, because he does have his moments. And in those fourth quarters, he has a lot of those moments. But when he becomes more consistent, and it might even be later this season,

becomes more consistent, it will just take them to another level. They're going to get to show it. They got Green Bay twice. They got Detroit, I think. Yep, they got one against Detroit, one against San Francisco, two against Green Bay. Yeah, so they're going to get to show it. And Cleveland's defense. Well, to your point, Brew, Ben Johnson said today, and I think all of you guys will like

this because he's been a truth teller. He said we're winning in spite of our passing game, and that doesn't make any of us happy. So he's not resting on his laurels or anything like that. Caleb clearly can be a lot better with his accuracy. Well, that's what makes them scarier. Correct. Is actually that they're, like, again, not to belabor the comp I'm making. I don't think this season, Drake is going to jump a level because he might be the MVP of the league right now. You know what I mean? I don't think there's a... Do you think Caleb's going to become more accurate? it in season?

Well, so again, I think that it's going to be hard for Drake May to play much better over the next eight games, including the playoffs. Then he's played up at this point. He's played so well. I think we all expect Caleb to play at least a little better. Like he's gotten, to me, it feels like Caleb's gotten progressively better over the course of the year. I mean, he's had games better than he had there.

He's had fourth quarter drives. He's had great halves. He's had a couple of really good statistical games. By the way, the touchdown pass. to Cole come at. Coles going to be on the show this week. So he'll talk about all the vibes in Chicago. On the flip side, the Eagles lost their second game in a row and were booed on their home field and more than just the normal of booing. There's a lot of booing in Philadelphia. I know, but this one hurt. Here's Jalen Hertz. It's not ideal. It's not something that you desire. But going off

of how the flow of this year is gone. It's kind of similar to my response last. week and saying no of any surprises of where we are. It's just a matter of picking ourselves up and continue to press forward and stay together in it and being committed to it. Okay. Panic time? Yeah. And it, listen, you're, it's up to the coach of the quarterback to fix it. Like that game, I understand was the defense was as big of a culprit, but that has not been the issue at hand. Like, here is the gift and the curse of, man.

The thing about me is I'm a winner is you have to just consistently win. And the Jalen hurts, like this is a weird year because Jalen hurts stats actually, I think are better than he's played. The touchdown to turnover, the turnover numbers are really good. But if you watch the Eagles and you look at the Eagles offensive stats, you would say, did they have a rash of horrible injuries? Like did Jalen miss time? but when, and I don't know if we can show you the season's stats,

but they are basically bottom third in the NFL in everything substantial, and that three and out percentage is historically bad over the last decade. And so either if it's something about the coordinator and the quarterback and the receivers and Sequin and the O line not being on the same page, that's Nick Siriani's job. And if it's just what Brian Baldinger showed us on Twitter this weekend, which is Jalen's just missing throws, then that's Jalen's job.

But I, because I have seen this team fall apart despite having a good record and despite being healthy in recent history, I would be very worried that they are on the precipice of falling apart again. But please, Philadelphia, wait to fully fall apart until after you beat the Chargers Monday night, which I really need you to do.

Yeah, and if they beat the Chargers Monday, night, they're not in any sort of free fall. Like, I wouldn't panic because I do really look at this season as being wide open for everyone. And while we talk a lot about the dysfunction in Philly, because they give us a ton of reasons to talk about the dysfunction in Philly, their resume isn't that bad. It's not good. Those ranks are not good.

But if you said, like, it takes four games to win a Super Bowl, right? Assuming they're not going to be the one seed, you got to win four straight games. They already have two different four-game win streaks this season. Like, if they go three- But don't you think the resume right now is better than the tape? Not that we're like tape guys, like watching the All-22, but like their resume looks better. Their win-loss resume looks better than they look on a week-to-week basis.

No question, but winning ugly, I've heard, is a skill. And they've beaten the Rams and they've beaten the Chiefs and they've beaten the Packers and they've beaten the Lions. Like, they've beaten playoff caliber teams. and they have a ton of talent. I'm not sitting here. I'm not a big Siriani guy. I'm not the biggest Jalen Hertz guy.

Certainly not a big Kevin Putulo guy. But in this particular year, where I don't think they're going to be threatened by the Cowboys to win the division, so they'll probably be an 11-win defending Super Bowl champion that's the two-seat in the NFC? It's not that bad a situation to be in. But that's the resume.

They were the 11-win defending NFC champion, the year of the Supernatural Funk when they got. got dog walked in their first playoff. And that was the thing. Like, I'm more with Danny. If they lose to the Chargers, then I think it'll be panic time. I don't think it is right now. But if they lose to the Chargers, now you really, they really probably are in that supernatural

funk. And what you said about 2023, they were 10 and 1 and then what, lost five of their last six or something crazy. Yeah, they lost five or six. So that to me was different. Like if they beat the Chargers, like he said, finished with 11 wins, it's kind of, it's kind of, you know, two wins here or lost there. I don't think that is.

And in the NFC, who has looked consistently better? The Rams. That's it. And they beat the Rams. So in the conference, I mean, nobody, Green Bay hasn't looked consistently better. Obviously, Tampa, San Francisco's looked good, but they got their limitations because of injuries. And Seattle has looked good. You might, you might say Seattle.

I think Seattle's looked excellent. Seattle. But we have questions about Seattle's quarterback in the big moment. So it is just, they got to beat the charges. But even, I don't know if we can throw up their schedule real quick. Even if they beat the Chargers, like we are, the Raiders. Then you got the Raiders, they're going to win. That would be a tragic loss to the Raiders.

Some people thought could be really good. But they're already on a two-game losing streak, is my point. Like they have already, you're right, they went from. 10 and 1 to 11 and 6. Well, right now they've gone from 8 and 2 to 8 and 4, and they weren't that happy at 8 and 2. And so... As long as they keep letting A.J. put up numbers.

No, but that hasn't been working. Yeah, that's bad. Well, there are those that think sometimes when they force feed A.J. Brown, that's when they start losing some games. But there wasn't any part of this KW. You're the Eagles guy. Or you're the Jalen Hurts guy.

And with a dash of Seekwain-Hartz guy. Well, I don't know when you proves the Sequin. I'm definitely a Sequin guy. It's Christian McCaffrey-like impact. That just continues year after year for that great cut. If they beat the charges, though, they're going to beat the Raiders. They'll be 10 and 4. And like they say, you know, they'll split, even if they split with Washington.

Which team is going to is most likely to get upset at home, it would almost be a universal Eagles pick. Maybe the Bears. Oh. The, and there was just what I was going to ask, whether you're the Eagles guy or not. We'll call you the Eagles guy for the time being picked him win the Super Bowl. Ithus thought getting run on, having the tush push fail and getting the ball stripped. That wasn't at all a rush in his cup moment that now we have seen two times the tush push be stripped. We heard from Al Michaels during the game.

He was like, oh, turns out Jalen Hertz doesn't like this play and, you know, made it clear that I was great at the QB sneaks before it. It just feels like there's a lot of whatever the vibes are in Chicago that you love and that Danny loves. This is the opposite. It sure feels like the opposite. Unfortunately, I think they're going to lose this Chargers game. Well, yeah, that becomes spiral a little bit.

I'm in a pressure. If you can't be more devastating to the Chiefs than the Eagles. For the Chiefs, yeah. If you can't run the ball, it's hard to win football. football game. That's it. That's why I like the bears. That's right. On the flip side, the Chiefs are now six and six. Mahomes had four touchdowns, Dallas had 31 points. Here's Andy Reed. Take a listen. We're going to go after you every game. And, you know, that's how we roll.

We're going to try to tickle your tonsils on every, every play, every game. But that's the attitude that we're coming in with. What's he, like, talking about big plays? I have no idea. I honestly, I don't want to dissect it. I like hearing that. If I'm a Chiefs guy, do I want to hear that. And Patrick, listen, Patrick's talked about, we have to win out.

He never talks about more than the game in front of him yesterday. And then Andy said that today. So what was your big takeaway from this? I mean, just a maddening season if you're a Chiefs fan, because it feels like we've seen moments where the defense is great. And we've seen moments like 30. where Mahomes and the offense are great. And they can never be great at the same time,

which is why if they got in, which would require winning five straight, people would be like, well, why can't they win nine straight and win a Super Bowl? And I think all of us would be like, well, yeah, I guess so. You know, and like that's the... Nine straight now seems like a lot. No, I agree with you.

I think five straight, but nine, I was like... No, listen, I think they're going to miss the playoffs. Like, to be very, very clear. But when you hear one of the greatest, the greatest coach ever and one of the greatest, if not the greatest quarterback ever talk like that, and you see Mahomes play like that, it's hard to completely rule them out. But I think what happened on Thursday was their defense failed them. They got the takeaway on the first drive, and then after the first drive of the game, we can show. This is the, this is the worst defense

in the league type stuff that they did. And I know Dallas's offense has been great. And they were third in longs, man. It was third and seven. It was third and ten, and it didn't matter. Yeah. But it just, it was basically anything was going for them. They forced one puns, no sacks, no takeaways the rest of the game. So your defense let you down. I think the cowboy coming into this game, Josh, what was it against top 10 defenses? The Cowboys had the number one offense. No, they had been cooking.

No question. But you got, but the, listen, the third down defense is that if we, if you guys, if we went back to the show we did after the Chiefs week one loss to the Chargers. Yeah. And we did a variation of. like how concerning it was because I went back and looked. The first thing I said, because I dismissed any worries about the offense, I was like Xavier Worthy was the center piece of the game plan,

got his shoulder popped out on the first play, offense is going to be fine. I said their inability to get to Herbert and generate any pass rush concerned me. And that has been a theme throughout the year that if you are a competent quarterback, you can give this chief's defense real trouble. And that is a bigger concern, to be totally honest, for a potential playoff run than it is necessarily for these next five weeks. Not that CJ and Herbert aren't competent. Herbert obviously already beat them.

But they're not going to play, in my opinion, sorry, Danny, a quarterback of Dax level again this year. But to win a Super Bowl, you're going to go through Drake May, who's going to be there, Josh Allen, who's going to be there. Joseph Herbert Jackson. Well, if the Chiefs get in, Herbert probably won't be in. but so maybe he'll be there, maybe you won't, and maybe the Chiefs won't be in. But they do, it is true, they have to run the table. And it's just a very, it's an unlucky year for the Chiefs

to have their worst year. Because since they've expanded the playoffs, 10 wins get you in. There have only been two teams since they've expanded the playoffs to win 10 games and not get in. The 2024 Seahawks and one other team. There have been nine teams to get into the play, or eight teams to get into the play,

playoffs with nine wins or fewer, not as a division winner, not like how Bruce's stupid Ravens are going to get in this year. But like the, but the first, you know, there's going to be a 10 win team left out, maybe multiple in the AFC, which is why they got to run the table. And they, they have, they have squandered their margin of error. And if you look back on it, Brew, the game that I will circle the whole time that they had no business losing, they had total control of it was a Jacksonville game. They're up 14 points.

They had a fourth quarter lead. You know what I mean? like that as up and down as everything's been, if they're sitting here at 7 and 5 with a tiebreaker over Jacksonville and one, you know, all of it, then we're like, okay, in a wide open AFC, we'll take it. But that's not

where they're at, so they have to run the table. Yeah. Like Danny said, it's hard to completely write them off just because of their pedigree. But there is no, outside of the history, there's really no reason to think they're going to be able to run the table. Just because we haven't, like,

they have had two must wins recently that they lost. Denver. Buffalo, I'll even give them because they generally lose to the Bills. It's the Bills Super Bowl, if you will. That's fine. But Denver and this game against Dallas were like, you got to have it. They were on the ropes. They were on the ropes. They did win that one. But yeah, two games where they got to have it were used to seeing them come through and they didn't.

So it's hard to see them running the table. Five and one at home. They play the Chargers at home. They play Houston at home. They play Denver at home. They're five and one at home. They're only losses to the Eagles who have their number. And then they go on the road to play the Raiders in the last game of the season.

People are looking at, you know. Houston's the game. Restaurant reservations in Cancun. And the Titans. And the Titans. That is very. Some smart people wilds thought the Titans and Raiders were going to make the playoffs. I did not.

It was an asterisk. It was an asterisk. They can, they can do it. No, you are, you are out. I don't think they will. You are so out. She's missing the playoffs. Yes.

They probably will do it. I think they're in. You think they're in? I think they're in. I get 15% chance. 15% chance. Wow, I think they're out. They got to win three.

All right, welcome back in yesterday. The bills handed Aaron Rogers and the Steelers their third straight loss. Uh-oh, Willie. Pittsburgh only put up seven points. Buffalo hung 26 on him. on him. The fans, shockingly, not that happy with how the Steelers season is going. They let Mike Tomlin hear it. Take a listen. What goes through your mind when the crowd, there's a crowd chaining to fire you in your home

stadium? Man, I share their frustration tonight, man. We didn't do enough. That's just reality of it. Willie, I genuinely am fascinated to hear how you're going to react to this. You know Mike Tomlin, you were a stealer. You got a Steelers ring. There's your towel. You haven't paid for that. Greg threw it to you. Greg threw it to you, not me. Just in case you needed. What is your reaction to Mike Tomlin hearing fire Tomlin chance in Pittsburgh?

It was tough. Mike Tomlin means a lot to me on a lot of different level, especially a personal level. But yesterday it felt like the village is coming for the king's head. And it was tough because when you turn on that game and you watch the tape, through all four quarters, the Steelers didn't have an answer schematically or physically. They got bullied, right? You talk about the bills being down two tackles and Josh Allen never touched the turf. That's not still a football.

On top of that, you watch James Cook rush for 249 yards and looked like the second coming to OJ Simpson. That was tough. What's even tougher is our battle cry is Renegade. Performed by the sticks, a rock group. They played that and Still a Nation boo. So this looked like it looked like I can't even, like I watched this and I felt like a sinkening, like it really like a sick feeling in my stuff. because I realize after why there's nobody coming through those doors to help the Pittsburgh Steelers. This is who they are.

They've been mediocre all year. And the bright side to this misery, this football purgatory the Steelers are in, they play in the AMC North. That's the only bright side about it. And I'm watching Tommy right now. And, you know, he said he's going to figure it out, continue to watch, continue to support. Steelers Nation has seen this episode. They've seen this movie time after time. They know how this ends.

And so I'm frustrated because I want to believe, like, all the alumni, all the guys who have wore the black and gold that this will turn around. But yesterday watching Aaron Rogers look like a beat-up prize fighter was a walking billboard that it's not going to turn around. They're playing on borrow time. And hopefully by the football, football guys, they get some grace. But it doesn't look good. Wow.

Greg, you know Rogers? What are your thoughts hearing that? Yeah, well, they should be frustrated because at the start of the season, And the Pittsburgh Steelers in that organization, basically what they were telling the NFL and their fans were, we're going for it. We just got to get the quarterback. And the reason why I say they were telling everybody they were going for it because you go out and you get D.K. Metcalfe. He obviously gets paid. And then you say, you know what?

We're going to make sure we pay T.J. Watt because he's going to produce. We're going to, Cam Hayward. He's going to produce. Jailam Ramsey. You get all these pieces. You acquire all these pieces and you extend some of the pieces that you currently had. And then you get the quarterback. You're basically telling your organization and your fan base, this is our year.

We believe that we have what it takes to make a run. And then you turn on that film specifically yesterday. That was terrible. So they should be frustrated. They should be over it. And the fire Tomlin, I can imagine, like you said, it has to hurt to hear that. But when you are constantly fed these falsities, if you will, and it's just not ever been enough, you're going to showcase that frustration.

And that's what they're doing. You got to it at the end with like the reruns. That's kind of what I would imagine it. So I will rewatch a movie that I love a hundred times or, you know, I've seen the Y or 10 times all the way through, whatever it is. But like, imagine if you just had to watch an average show over and over and over again. No one wants to watch a C movie 15 times. Like the Steelers, it's very impressive, legitimately,

that they've never had a losing season since Mike Tomlin has been there and he's been there since 2007. That's really impressive. But he's 0 and 6 in his last six trips to the playoffs. with a lot of blowouts and a lot of big numbers have been hung on Mike Tomlin defenses, some by great quarterbacks, some by Blake Bordels, right? And so it is just like it feels like one way or another, and I can't really imagine the Steelers firing Mike Tomlin because of their history with coaches.

That's another good. But I could see them saying, hey, for all parties involved here, trade, like it's time to move on because I don't see how you. you get out of, we're too good to be bad enough to draft a great quarterback, but we're not good enough to really win anything. It's just this cycle of rewatching a C movie every time, and Steelers fans are too smart for that. I think they're finally fed up. And the problem is when you look around the league and you see the emerging quarterbacks, the Jadin Dains, the Drake, Mays, the Bow Nicks in the world, and you look at your organization that we don't have that guy on the roster.

And even though you drafted Will Howard in later rounds, you're still looking for a guy who can lead you're a team. And so when you put it all together, this organization right now, and you make, you hit it, I mean, you spot on, Danny. They've seen enough for it where they're stuck, right? Because they're always in the kind of limbo. They're good enough but not great, you know, they're good enough but bad enough to kind of survive in this area. And the problem also, the roster's getting old, right? And they looked old yesterday. That was the biggest thing. On a dark and rainy day, the Pittsburgh is like they were aging by the quarter. And while the Buffalo Bills is like, we're just going to beat you up and make you tap. And they did. And

So I don't know what the answer is, but listen, we got Baltimore this week. Best of luck. We as I'm still playing, right? I'm still passionate. Now, hey, you bleed the black and gold. It's respectable. Baltimore is going to be a problem. On the other side of the ball in that game, the bills do deserve some conversation here.

They needed the bounce back win, 123 yards, two touchdowns, an interception from Allen, 144 on the ground from Cook. This was Josh Allen, his perspective on the win over Pittsburgh. This is a really good team that we just played with a fantastic defense. one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time, on the road to find a win. You know, that's what we came to do. It's just whatever it takes to get a W, and we were fortunate enough to do that tonight. So I still consider the bill's really dangerous, and that is partly because of Josh Allen, James Cook, their offensive line and their best looks dominant.

But admittedly, it has been inconsistent for the team that I picked to win the Super Bowl. but part of why I think Buffalo is really dangerous is also because I'm not sure how dangerous any team in the AFC is. So why not them? But how dangerous do you think the bills are? Look, I still think this team is dangerous because of the guy under center.

Like as long as they have Josh Allen and he's able to put on that cape and they're able to do what they do, which is run the football better than anybody else in the National Football League. If that's what shows up when it's needed in the postseason, this team has an opportunity to beat in.

anybody because if he has the ball last, you believe in them. Just in, and it seems, or at least it appears at this moment that the big red machine may not even be in the dance. And so when you look at the landscape of quarterbacks, who do you then trust, specifically coming out of the AFC? And I think all hands will be raised saying Josh Allen, Josh Allen, Josh Allen. So this is why this team is still dangerous. Defensively, they have issues.

They definitely have voids in that defense. They cannot stop the run. And that's who they are. They're okay yesterday. But when you, not a great offense. But when you supplement that by being able to run the ball, possess the ball more than your opponent, you give your defense chance to rest. And that, those weaknesses aren't as glaring. The bill's defense did look okay against a one-handed, one-handed 41-year-old quarterback.

They look great. They look excellent. This is always asterisk. Yeah. Well, I would say this. I'm not scared of Josh Allen. I'm scared of James Cook because the office looks different when it goes through him. You talk about him having 140 yards on the ground.

And what he did yesterday was attack the edges. And when you see him get to the second level and have that home run speed, it looks like a guy who's, listen, I thought they kind of got away from him in the middle of season. Now he's starting to have a resurgence. I thought yesterday it was a breakout game for him. And I think the bills are dangerous as long as they continue to feed James Cook. Yeah, it's a weird thing. And it feels like damning with faint praise.

But we can put up the AFC playoff picture. And Greg, it's to your point. It's like, do I want to compliment the bills by being like, yeah, but do you really believe in Daniel Jones or do you really believe in Trevor Lawrence? You know, but that's Bo, B' B'O Knicks. Yeah. The Broncos defense is really good. We'll see if the Texans end up getting in. Their defense, I think, is excellent.

But that grouping of teams that would be in there, I don't, I know me. I will pick the bills as the seven seed to come out of it. I just will. Like, I'll be like, okay. Very bunchy in that. And that's very bunchy. But it's reductive because it's not just the quarterback that wins games. It's the ultimate team sport.

But I know myself, I would look at that. If that was the bracket, I would say, yeah, I think Buffalo is coming out of it. Yeah, but the reason too, and I know it's not just the quarterback, Sean McDermott finds a way to scheme in the biggest moments. He just finds a way. That defense doesn't seem to have the same glaring issues in the postseason when we know, okay, they can't stop the run. the postseason, I can almost guarantee you they're going to do everything within their power.

A lot of ball left, though. Five games. Yeah, a lot of ball left. And some big games yesterday that kind of ship-shafted the playoff picture in both conferences. We're going to rapid fire through them. Starting with the Broncos last night, nine straight for Denver. Got to take them seriously. We discussed.

All right, let's get to some teams that deserve some attention here. Last night in overtime, Broncos got a win over the commander's crazy game. Glad I stayed up for it. Back-to-back touchdowns. two-point conversion was denied by Nick Benito. Greg, your biggest takeaway from the Broncos and their nine straight wins last day. That guy right there, Bo Nix. Bo Nix was money.

I was thoroughly impressed with Bo Nix. I mean, even just looking at overtime when you got to have it, had to perform, gets the ball first. So you don't know, the other team is going. Washington is going to have four downs every time they snap the ball. Like four for four, 71 yards, scored touchdown. like Bo Nix was money from start to finish, something that we've been screaming for all season long. And he delivered, and they found a way defensively

to get that last stop. Yeah, I think Denver proved they can take a hit and keep on going, which was important. You need to see that this time of year. But Greg is 100% right. They also proved their situational elite, man. Their ability to respond time after time is huge. And because the commander's put up a great fight.

I mean, Mario don't get a lot of credit, but he was money good. But I also think right now, if you're the Broncos, you need these type of wins to test your heart, right? Because this could have been an easy letdown game. It really doesn't hurt you. You can separate yourself on and on and on. But they never let down. And listen, you talk about this defense.

They got after it. But also Nick Benito once again, coming up big in that moment. You called him from before the year. Yeah, I think he was awesome. So it was a good win for the Broncos. So why I have doubted Denver is because of this graphic I'm going to show you right here. It just didn't feel sustainable. They were 5 and 0 when Bo Nix had a pass rating below 85.

Like, normally you get that little production from your quarterback. Normally you lose. The rest of the NFL is 37 and 110. But last night, when you get good, consistent, somewhere between like good and above average and at times, like great and clutch and tough, it's like, oh, well, if you pair that with their defense, they can be scary. Do I think they're coming out of the AFC? No. But they are, they are, they are, they are, they are, they are no, no, but I, what do they need to do?

There's nothing they can do. They meet Marcus Marriota by one. Let's not, let's not go crazy. But it was a nice win. To Carolina, the Panthers pulled off the upset over Matthew Stafford, one of the most shocking results of the weekend. Stafford threw, had 28 consecutive touchdowns without an interception, and then he threw an interception. Willie, you've been on the Rams since the year started, your biggest takeaway from this loss to Carolina. Listen, ugly loss has happened.

You didn't expect Stafford to throw those. many interceptions. I do think you got to get credit Carolina Panthers because Bryce Young was great. Like he was. They changed his game plan. They moved him out of pocket. They showed his mobility. The defense stood up for them in the major way. I'm not worried about the Rams at all. I don't think anybody should. They had to go to the East Coast and get a gritty game. They find themselves in a dog fight. That happens. They were just on a bad side of things. I'm not worried about the Rams. Yeah, my biggest takeaway was Bryce Young. It was good to see him play well on money and got to have at downs. Like third down, he showed

up. Obviously, 15 third downs, you pretty much convert half of those because you were in those situations. They weren't great on first and second down. But if your quarterback is able to show up on third downs, which he was able to perform, you're going to have some semblance of success, and they were able

to have the success against one of the best teams in all the football right now. And I also say, credit to Dan Cannells, I mean, because he's turned this pro outs. Yeah, like he's... No question. Every time you see him, he's asked these guys. He's baited these guys. guys, buy in, we will deliver, we will be where we need to be. You talk about yesterday's game on our fourth and two, put in the Bryce Young's hand

for him to deliver in the middle of the field. That's growth, man. And you find, listen, number one in the division, come on. Nobody thought the Panza was going to be here this year. Yeah, listen, I think the Rams will still probably be at top my top 10 list for tomorrow, for top of Tuesday. And I think they will. We should adjust on Carolina, though, in that, like, that's not a bad loss.

No. Like, Carol, oh, wow, you lose to Carolina. It's been like a punchline for five plus years. They're a scrappy team. They're a good team. They're an improving team. And I will say thank you to Carolina because you've opened it up, the Bears, the one seed in the NFC. Last game, Texans and Colts, Greg's Colts, but Texans, it was a pretty impressive 20 to 16 win.

When C.J. Stroud returned. Texans now on a four-game win streak. And I'll tell you this, guys, make it about the Colts if you want, Greg. But the Texans, man, the Seahawks fans maybe would disagree with. with me on this. Broncos fans would maybe disagree on this. That's the best defense in football. The Texans defense, Will Anderson is a monster.

A monster, dude. In a world where Miles Garrett doesn't exist, there's an argument for him being the best defensive player. Derek Stangley is a cornerback, maybe is the best cornerback in football. DeNeil Hunter's obviously stuck. Only two teams have scored more than 20 against them this year. CJ Stroud doesn't even have to be good for them

to win games if you hold everybody to under 20. You'd call everybody. out, but we got to call out the interior of that defense line. Sheldon Raking them boys got after. And they held. You can keep going on the list. Right, but they held Jonathan Taylor to 86 yards, right? And they really talk about really suppressing this Colts' offense to 3 of 16 on third down.

When you talk about what they look like on paper, they look like a team that's getting better as they keep going. That they're confident. I thought their breakout game was obviously against Josh Allen and the bills at home. But you turn on this tape, man. They're getting after people in a physical manner, which usually teams kind of digress because they weren't going to save their bullets and get ready for. the playoff. This team is humming. And now they got an opportunity, Greg. They got an opportunity to put the dagger and the Chiefs come Sunday. And I'm pulling out the popcorn for that. Oh, look, this is not even about the coach. This is about the Texans in that defense because

their team that for half the year was a lying duck because they couldn't do anything on the offensive side of the ball with CJ Stroud with anyone. And then your backup comes in and you get some wins and you find ways to just build that confidence. And all this defense has been asking this offense to do. Give us a little bit. Give us a little bit. And they did that yesterday against a Colts team that is going in the opposite direction. And now they put themselves in a position where they can come and get this division.

Well, I have serious questions about C.J. Stroud. I don't know how good he is. I think he was a little overrated. There's a little bit of trauma from that offensive line getting beat up. I think that that's probably. probably a lot of it. But I think people went a little nuts over a rookie year that was good but not great because he didn't really turn the ball over.

But everything else was just like, okay. And now it's like, okay, buddy, you just don't be the problem. Do not turn the ball over. Can you be a league average offense? And that's not going to be a team that people are not going to want to play in the postseason. In this game, to your point talking about C.J. Straud, I thought he had lost confidence. He looked very decisive, almost as if.

You know what? If you throw it. When you get to the top of your drop, throw that ball with timing. He looked more on time in this game. The offense looked like it was actually an efficient and a productive offense that could sustain drives. It was cool to see because if this offense looks like this moving forward and that defense we know, to your point, I don't think it's disrespectful to any of those defenses. This defense is a problem. And they have been all season long.

We just haven't been talking about them because their offense and their record didn't allow us the opportunity to talk about it. But you hit it right on the head too, Greg. You said, listen, man, don't be the issue. This office just has to do a little bit. They don't have to carry this team. The defense is obviously spearheading it. Injuries on that Chiefs offensive line, not a great time to play the Texans. I don't know if I could pull off one of the outfits of the quarterback tonight.

We'll discuss. All right, we're a couple hours from kickoff tonight. I got to be honest, guys, I don't know that I could pull off Jackson Darts look. Are those gloves? And a leather jacket. I'm going to be honest. And a turtleneck. I like to look.

Come on, Greg. I do. I do, man. Can I, with wire headphones? That's fashion. I like to look. Not everybody can do it, but he's doing it. I can pull off Drake May's look, though.

I'll be honest. Starter jacket. H hoodie. Jeans. That fits Drake. That's the pizza boy look. Yeah. I appreciate you.

Yeah. I think I own every piece of that wardrobe. Just change the team. I'm the jag. But that guy right. There looks like he's going to work. It looks like he's going to work as basically the co-MvP favorite. If we can show you the odds right now, he is right behind Matt Stafford, then a huge gap.

So basically, you know, plus 105 plus 120, basically even money on Stafford and Drake May. Then you got 11 to 1, 15 to 1, 18 to 1 for Dak, love and Allen. You guys think a win tonight? Those two guys at the top flip? Like Drake May, big night. We wake up tomorrow. He's the favorite for MVP? No, I don't think he could do anything tonight.

It's going to make me change my opinion. The Stafford's the guy. That Stafford's going to be the MVP. I like where the kid's at, but it's just going to be Stafford. Look, if he goes crazy and he throws about five touchdowns, no picks, and it just is a Drake May show, I think that flips. I do too. Listen, I think it's still going to be very close.

Against a Giants defense of Britain. It's not rational necessarily. I think Drake made the MVP favor tomorrow. Which, the one seed would be back for New England. Been a wild week. We'll be watching the game. We reacted to it all tomorrow. Thanks for being with us.