First Things First - Falcons beat Bills, Bears beat Commanders, Penn State fires James Franklin, Mahomes Mountain

Episode Date: October 14, 2025

(0:00) Falcons beat Bills, Bears beat Commanders, Can Lamar Jackson save the Ravens? (27:04) Chiefs ‘all the way back’, Concerns for Lions? (40:13) Should Tua Tagovailoa have more accountability?  (46:16) Mahomes Mountain (01:07:49) Penn State fires James Franklin, Bills loss on Allen? (01:22:38) Brou’s MVP Ballot, Patrick Mahomes has best odds for MVP (01:26:07) Bears’ signature win vs. Commanders, Danny’s Top 10 Teams (01:49:08) Chiefs ‘scary, Were the Bills exposed against the Falcons? (01:58:47) He Said, We Said: Baker on MVP chants, Kerby Joseph on facing Mahomes (02:08:00) Caleb Williams or Jayden Daniels as the best QB in the 2024 Draft class? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Why from New York? It's the show that personally is turning into a Mariners fan. Okay, that's fine. And I would like to be a Mariners fan with someone else. And I've realized I've never met someone from Washington. Except you've met Mina, who's from Washington. That's first of all. Brew.

Has there ever been anything more predictable than the moment, literally the moment the Mariners become the favorites to win the World Series? Are they the favorites? Well, they're up to the closest of anybody. I was about to say, what do you want to do? I mean, I am the Dodgers guy, but I'm kind of the Mariners guy. Yeah, because Cal Raleigh. I was totally on the big dumper, not you.

That is true. You're saying, Judge. I'm on Randy Roserina. I've been saying. Also, with that said, while I've never met the Mariners to win the series, for the sake of sports fans, and also for the sake of our network, let's have a competitive series. Let's get some wins, Toronto.

I'm surprised that they have stomped. Let's get Toronto. Win a couple games. Through Mariners fan. I think they'll be honest. It's noon to my. I don't know if anyone's there. There's a lot of people there.

Start the show, guys. Please, run it. Can you please send me a note? I got some family and friends in Washington, believe it. Yeah, but I believe it. I can claim that state. Is Josh Allen letting the bills down or are the bills letting Josh Allen down? I was surprised that narrative.

Well, of course. You can't, he's the most talented to play to have ever played with the position. No one's ever played a best. That was a hot one. Meanwhile, commanders let the game slip out of their hands. Oh my goodness. Is it time to start believing in Caleb and Ben Johnson?

More headlines about Ben Johnson. He's a mastermind now. Oh, you, do you, no. KW. It was a fumble. You got a field goal. That was all Ben Johnson right there, right? It's just too much.

I bet Ben Johnson knows the rules on those fancy trick plays. And if he was in Detroit, golf would have paused. I bet you that. I bet you he's buttoned up on that. They didn't have any Dan Skipper declaring problems when he was there. Dan Skipper's now starting to love tackle. Oh, my goodness. Also, is Mahomes back on the top? Oh, no, it's not Malone. Oh, this screws me up. Because they say QB tears. Yeah, they did. By the way, you know what? I usually don't like when Wilde's criticizes our producers. It's correct. He is correct. That is. It shouldn't be QB tears. It's not tears is Wednesday. Just put Mahomes Mountain. If we need a smaller font, so be it.

Come on, guys. Tears is trademark. What we know? It's trademark. It's like people in Washington. Are you watching the show? He's a KW. I'm a huge Mariners guy.

I'm gonna fly out there. I think KW's been drinking. You know, because I had a bad show yesterday. I didn't give it my all. We all knew that. So today I'm over-compensating. Yeah, you're like, Brian Branch. You don't need to apologize.

We all saw what you did. I was wondering if you figured. Exactly. We're starting with the bill's upset. Josh Allen throws for only 180 yards, had one bad pick, one down by 10. desperation pick that I'm not really counting. Bill's dropped their second in a row.

Here's Josh Allen. They had a good plan. Looks like they, you know, came off a by week and got the game plan on us quite a bit. And again, I got to be better and seeing the things that they're trying to do to us and make adjustments accordingly. It sucks when you feel like two-thirds of your teams, the offense and the defense are doing their job and you're the team not to pull your weight. It sucks. So again, got to get in the film room and let me.

learn from our mistakes and move on. Set it wrong. Yeah. Here's Josh Allen last night. The Falcons figured out, hey, how about we blitzed Josh Allen? He was blitzed on 56% of his drop back. It's the highest since 2021. Again, shout out Rahim.

Smart. You know what? Blitz in the quarterback all the time. But against, usually against great quarterbacks, it doesn't work. And Josh, obviously a great quarterback. But you know, Brady, you never wanted to blitz. Historically, Mahomes, you don't want. You don't want to blitz.

So that's rare. Say it again? I would still do it. Okay, yeah. Do you cover Travis Kelsey and you blitz the quarterback? Should Bill's fans be concerned? Yes, because they're S-Bob. They're going to make the playoffs, of course.

Whether they, I mean, I know you think now New England and win division. Maybe. How did you know that? How did you know that? They're in the conversation. How about that? They're actually in first place. They're right now.

All right. There's a lot of football left to be played. However, they're going to make the playoffs. That's not the question. They are Super Bowl or bust. Another year of getting close and losing in the second round, third round, whatever it is of the playoffs, is going to rock that franchise even more than it's already been rocked over the last few years. So that's why they should be concerned.

And Nick, these last, I would say, four games. We thought they looked great against Baltimore. That defense turned out to be terrible up until maybe. maybe last weekend. And then, and they still gave up a ton of points to Lamar, which is, you know, fine. Yeah. But after the, I can't remember. The Jets, they pummeled the Jets.

And they played great. Yeah. And then after that, Miami, New Orleans. Those, they didn't look great in those wins. And then they've lost their last two. So they are looking more like the team. I thought they'd be last year. Remember last year?

I was like, they're a playoff team. They're not going to win the AFC.F. They have no chance. And they came out in surprises and had a shot. But they look more like that team I expect it now. Because I don't think they're phenomenal on paper. They don't have any great wide receivers. James Cook is a really good running back.

Top 10 running back, 10ish, something like that. Yeah, I'd say higher. Right. But their O line is struggling right now. But defensively, Matt Milano's hurt. And he always, he's a great player when he plays. but he always seems to be hurt. They, you know, they got some good defensive players,

but I'm just saying on paper they aren't as good as some of the other elite teams. He's what makes them good. Well, and he, look, I'm going to put some of it on the old line. He's been sacked 12 times this year. That's equals all of last season. And you said the blitz. He was pressured like almost half of his dropbacks last night. But Josh, with all of that explained, is regressing a little bit.

Compared to what he did last year, last year he had six interceptions, seven turnovers the whole season. In the last three games, he's got four interceptions and five turnovers. So he's looking like the Josh Allen that, yeah, it was great a few years ago, but was also reckless and could make some bad. He doesn't look as reckless, but he is making some bad turnover. But also hasn't looked as explosive.

Listen, I'm in a weird spot with, the bills and Josh Allen because the last couple years I've probably been the highest on them of anyone on the show I thought he and well Danny picked him go to the Super Bowl so this year he's higher but of the three of us the highest

I think he is clearly and unequivocally the second best quarterback in football I also think he lives in this very weird narrative space where when he's great you do have measured

respected voices who aren't known for hot takes saying things such as, quote, no one has ever played the position better than Josh plays it. And when he objectively plays poorly like last night, the narrative is the bills are letting Josh Allen down. It's a, it's a, it is a spot typically reserved for folks, honestly, that have earned what Mahomes have earned, has earned, has won everything at such a high level so consistently that it is hard to even wrap your mind around. Is it this guy's fault? But Mahomes doesn't get this type of pass. And last night, I do think the bills have a flawed roster.

I do think their path is actually quite simple. That guy's got to be unbelievable for a month in January. Like, that's their path. Their path is Josh Allen put the cape on. Of course it's a tough path. Like, it's one of the reasons I didn't pick them because I think it's just, too much to ask. But last night, they did not lose because of the defense.

Last night, three times in the second half, they got the ball down 2114. And three times, we can show you what happened on those drives. The first one ended on a ridiculous decision by Josh, which will show you in a moment. Then it was three and out, three and out. And I agree with you. I'm not even including the final drive down 10 where you threw the pick, because who really cares. Like, that's not,

they were in an onside kick game. But the fourth and two play, these plays are awesome when they work. And when they don't, the answer is throw a real pass. Like, and so. And you could have. You could have thrown.

I know he's at an odd angle, but you could have thrown a real pass. You are all. You can't do that and have it come up short. I know. When it, he's done it. When it works,

it's awesome. That's a long shuffle. That's as long as I've seen him try to do. And here's the, like, so I don't think he's regressed, but I think it's fair to say the last three games, he slumped a bit. And I, and so we can show you those numbers as well. And by the way, it's not like the numbers are horrible what you're about to see his first three versus his last three, but the yards are down a bit.

The touchdowns are the same, which are really good, seven and three games, but the turnovers are what kills you. And so like that is, I just, they are. The style they were trying to play brew of, conservative, don't make mistakes, that assumed they have an elite defense. They don't. So they do need more of an explosive offense if they're not going to feed James Cook. And it's now been back to back.

The four wins came against teams that are combined three and 21. And then they played the Patriots and Drake May outplayed him. And I don't even know if I want to say Michael Pinnock's outplayed him last night because to me last night was so much about Bijon. But if it's your first game ever watching the NFL, you wouldn't be like, hey, one of these guys is an all-time great. Correct. And one of them is just a second-year player. Let's be honest.

There's a lot of games, Josh plays, where you don't think he's an all-time great. And he is, don't get me wrong. But he has a lot of, like, the way they got on this run over the last year and a half was to stop throwing it as much and to start running the ball more. And then every four or five, yeah, a game will make a, a, a big. Great play here or there or every four games or so. He's fantastic. But that's been how they've, you know, become an elite team. I know you guys are you kind of glossed over it.

Like, they'll definitely make the playoffs. You think that's an question? No, I'm just, I want to put it out there. Are you sure they're a playoff team, not logistically, but like basically, are they a good to great team? If this is the defense before we like talk about the, the Ravens are now 30 second in points of allowed. The Jets are 28th and points allowed. Miami's 29th and points allowed. And the Saints are 25th. That's where they- Those are their four wins. Those are their four wins. And then they played the Patriots who don't have an outstanding defense. And they scored 20. And the Falcons have a

pretty good defense and shut them down. So it's like, all right. And I know the Ravens that we have it locked in our head that they're such, they're not. We've seen that they're not. So I'm not ready to say that this works. So here's what I think. I do not think, and history backs me up on this, I guess. If you have healthy Josh Allen, which he's always healthy, you're a playoff team. You know what I mean? And so I'm not worried about that.

I do think the Patriots are live to win the division. I don't think they're a favorite, not literally or figuratively. But what I do think is really important is this. The bills were set up perfectly. for something they've never had, the one seed and a buy. And I feel they've squand, not I feel, they have squandered that edge. Yes. And it feels to me like they are pacing towards a very similar season,

which is they win the division. Maybe they won't, but I think they will. They win the division. They face an overmatched first-time playoff quarterback in the wild card round. Josh puts up these insane numbers. in the wild card round and then come round two or as you said, round three of the playoffs, they face someone in their historic weight class and they're not up to the task.

Like that's, I don't see any reason why they'd be different than previous years. And the past few years, their defense has been great in the regular season and then faltered in the playoffs. Right now they're faltering in the regular season. They allowed 335 yards in the first half the most since 2001. All right, moving on to commanders versus the bears. Jaden let the ball and the game slip out of his hands. Caleb capitalizes, gets the Bears into field goal range, courtesy of DeAndre Swift.

All of a sudden, Bears won three in a row. And happy for Jake Moody. His career was on the line. He was stressed. Of course. His whole career's on the line. He was terrible, Ms. Yes, and now he gets us new lease on life.

Here's Jaden and Caleb. Take a listen. I'm not going to sit up here and blame it on the elements. I mean, at the end of the day, I got to focus. I get paid to go out there and, focus playing to play out and I had a lack of focus right there and it cost us the game. When you're on the sideline you see the ball come out. It's going to go win the game and not give the ball back to them again because we've seen

they can be explosive in those moments. You know, play smart situational football. I'm at the end of the game and go win. Okay, which QB did you learn more about? Caleb. Really? Because Jaden is great. I'm sorry.

Like, I know he made the fumble that lost the game. I know he threw that interception in the red zone. Watching him, he is a great quarterback, Jaden, which is what we knew. At least I knew going in, and I feel like you guys knew it as well. Like, he's smooth, he's poised. They never feel out of it when he's, like, I thought outside of those two turnovers. And I put the game on him because he just dropped the ball, right? and then threw it into the running back's chest.

But that, like, he is what I thought he was. When he, I thought if they had won that game, I was honestly, not to make this like, it's some phenomenal award, but I was considering him for Bruce Ballet because he's only played, what? Four games. They would have been three in one of those. But so I didn't learn anything I didn't know about Jaden. Caleb, look, he wasn't phenomenal, but he was solid.

And what he said in that post game, let's just play situational football. Like it shows growth. He didn't have to, he didn't feel like he had to go out and make some spectacular plays. Now he had the nice running touchdown where his speed was the factor in that. So that was great. But otherwise, he got the ball to his playmakers. DeAndre Swift was great. Got the ball to his playmakers and did what you needed to do to win the game.

And that is growth. So, I mean, he missed a few open. guys. There's no doubt. He took, I can there was one bad sack where he kind of ran backwards and stuff. Yeah, and that they then got the field goal block. Yeah, yeah. And so he did make a few mistakes, but I just feel like

you're seeing consistent growth. And he was just more consistent and more kind of even keeled as a player than he's been in the past. So I just throw up Caleb's numbers for the year because this by any metric he's been. been more than solid.

And this is the exact type of growth we hoped for coming into the year. I don't think, you know, because last year went the way it did and the coach got fired and he wasn't as good as the numbers said if you watch the games, we had slowed down the hype train to a crawl and it was no longer, you know, light the world on fire. It was steady improvement over the course of the year and get better at the easy things while popping with some wow stuff. And I think that's what we're seeing. Like I have changed my short-term expectations for Caleb because I think the stuff he was

the easy stuff or the not situational, but the organizational stuff almost that he was bad at, I think was going to be a real path. So I think that was, and now the bears are, that's a huge tiebreaker they have against the commanders. Like that was a really important win. to me it was more Jaden, and it's for two reasons. One is, and you guys can say this is, you know, my preconceived notion bias on him and his body type. How many times watching that game were you worried about him?

Of Jaden? Yes. A few, like whenever he runs, he's not traditionally sliding. No. And so that, for a player who's played one in a third seasons and has already suffered two injuries that made him miss time, albeit short time, but missed time in both years. I hated that. You know what I mean?

It made me nervous. Like it feels like he's playing with fire. And if I'm just trying to be fair, if the exact game had played out in the exact way opposite, Caleb had this wow stat line, but threw an awful pick that took points off the board. And then, with a lead with four minutes left, dropped a snap, we would be killing him.

But there's a reason for that. No, Jaden has earned the benefit of the doubt. I agree with that. But I'm just, we are, we're in a very, to me, interesting narrative place about that year's rookie class of quarterbacks, the top three. Because going into the draft, the overwhelming opinion was Caleb's going to be the best. He was the consensus number one. After last season, the overwhelming consensus opinion is Jaden's the best.

And right now, I think maybe not overwhelming, but I think the majority opinion would be Drake May is the best. I think right now. I think it probably be fairly evenly split with Jaden and Drake. And so my point is, I just think it's going to be a long path for this whole class. And I do think that the commanders all of a sudden find themselves really up against it in a very congested NFC as far as making the post. Can I ask you a question about Caleb?

Because you obviously had him on Mahomes. as a Trojan. As a college player. Yes. And then you had him in the Super Bowl. And then you kind of have soured on him a little bit. That's soured, but I blocked my expectation. I didn't drop a banner saying I don't like him.

Saying I'm done with him. No, I said Danny. And now he seems to be rising a little bit in your book. Are there points when you watch Caleb? And I was like, I was trying to figure out how to describe his style play. Sometimes it feels like he plays caffeinated over. caffeinated where there's compared to

Jay and I'm never looking at Jane Davis like what's going on here where Caleb two point conversion like I'm going the other like it just feels overly caffeinated. Do you feel that way? I think that's totally fair and I think that is part of Ben Johnson's job

is kind of reprogramming how he sees a football field. You know what I mean? Like what he's taking in and what impacts him? Because I think that caffeinated style is what made him so great in college. He would very quickly go to instinct versus play call, and it would work. And so now he almost has to pull it out of him.

But I just think for the Bears, Saints Ravens Bengals are the next three. That's three opportunities for Caleb to put up really good numbers. You know, they should win at home against the Saints, and everyone beats the Bengals. The Ravens game is really tough because. Lamar is going to be back and the Ravens have to have it. But I think that it wouldn't shock me if a month from now, we look at it and we say, Caleb Williams has 17 touchdowns, three picks, is on pace for that 4,000-yard season. And the Bears are 5 and 3, and you're feeling good at it.

You've got to get to your Ravensbrook, unless you want to have one final thing. Quickly, I want to say, like, are you with me? Look, I'll leave it open. They're so young that I'll leave it open. Drake will be best. Jaden will be best. Caleb, whoever in this class. But right now, I saw nothing last night to make me feel like, oh, Caleb's better than Jaden.

No, we haven't seen anything in the pros that says Caleb's better than Jaden. I just think my point was four weeks ago we had seen nothing in the pros that Drake was better than Jaden. And now I think that a lot, and maybe not you, but I think a lot of people, right, and so I just think it can all, it's fluid. It's fluid. I can't believe I said. You're learning. You're learning. Ravens.

Not dead yet. Harbaugh was asked about Lamar giving the team a psychological lift, Brew. Take a listen. Psychologically, how much am I leaning into Lamar coming back and playing? Yeah, I'd have to, if I was on the couch with a psychiatrist right now, if I was spilling, spilling it, I would have to say I'm leaning really hard into that, really hard, yeah. For any kind of psychological well-being, spiritual well-being, I'm leaning hard on that happening. So I'm very hopeful that that happens.

Okay, Brew, Vegas has fallen a little bit out of love with the Ravens. Not bad. The Steelers are the favorites to win, but the Ravens are only plus 185. Last 10 years, only three teams made the playoffs after a 1 in 5 start, or last 10 years, three teams have made the playoffs after 1 in 5 start. Right, which is also crazy because in the last 45 years, three teams have made it. It's all in the last 10 is my point. Oh, that's interesting.

From 1971 until 2014, nobody did it. nobody did it. Huh. So it all happened relatively. Bro, do you think Lamar's return can save your Ravens? Yes, if the defense, if what we saw last week was real improvement. Like, I thought the Rams were going to go in there and put up like close to 40. Right.

And with Stafford, with those receivers, I know the Kua got hurt. But they, so that defense was not the problem yesterday or last weekend. So if the defense continues to play well, They are live because the offense was averaging 30 plus with Lamar. The schedule lightens up a bit. It's a little tougher than we probably expect because New England looks good. And the key, like I said last week, the key game is Chicago. If they lose to the Bears coming off a buy in an absolute must win for the Ravens,

then that just means you're going to lose some more games going forward. Like you're not an elite team at this point. And so, look, I think even if they beat the Bears, it's going to be hard to essentially sweep that division. They should sweep Cincinnati. The Browns just, I mean, that defense is tough. They had a little bit of trouble with them last time, even though they blew them out. They didn't like, it wasn't as bad as the score indicated. And look, the good thing for them is they get Pittsburgh twice, which is tough to win, beat them twice.

But if you do, that has huge ramifications with the record. So, yeah, if the defense is really improving, and I'm not saying they got to be as good as they were against the Rams, but you're really steadily improving becoming a top 15 defense or something, then sure, with Lamar back, they can make the playoffs. Do we have the full schedule there, hubs, if we can put it up? Yeah. Here's the problem. Even if they were favored in all these games, which I don't think they might not be, the current longest win streak in the NFL is three. Oh, it was for it.

It was Detroit. And they lost. So now it's three. So it's there's, you're just, even if you beat who you're supposed to beat, you're going to lose to the jets aren't going 0 and 17. So this is something weird is going to happen. This is exactly right. Wow.

And this is why I think they're dead. Barring a true Steelers collapse to where like you can win the division at eight and nine. The Steelers truly, you know, if Rogers gets hurt or something, the Steelers collapse. And you, so I'm going to, I know I'm the poker player, you guys aren't, so I will try. I've seen rounders. Thank you. Several times. So if the best hand you can have is Aces.

Full House. Just stop. Just please. I'm trying. Can you not be smart as just for a second? Is it Royal Flush? The best hand you can end with. But just put him on Camry.

He's so happy. Just give me a second here. Okay. If I, if you give me aces every time and you get two random cards. And we just say, we're going to go all in. By the third time we do it, you're a favorite to have won one of them. Oh. So even though I have the best and you just have randomness, and I'm an 80% favorite every time.

Because of the nuts. Okay. Can you shut up for a second? I'm trying to make a real point. Even if you're... I'm lost. Okay. So let me...

I shouldn't have brought up poker. God, I hate you so much. I used to play way. The point I'm making is this. The flop. So in English, give me what's going on? Even if you are a huge favorite, 80% favorite, the odds that you win, win, when, once you get to the third time you're an 80% favorite, the odds over the entirety of that is that you lose one of them. You're going to lose the Raiders like last year.

Right. And so the point that I was going to make with the schedule is you keep saying, brood all comes down to the Bears game. And I agree with you. But the problem is, then it all comes down. to their next game and then their next game. He's like, pay that man his money. It's from rounders.

I have no idea. We won't pay that man his money. Don't swash the pot. All right, coming up next on the World Series of Poker, are the Chiefs fighting back and are the lions in trouble? That's next on FS1, the Fox Sports Show, on Series XM. John Trutero's like, hey, take it from me. You're crying at your own.

Our podcast is just rolling. And our YouTube channel is pretty good, Gianna, how would you, on a scale 1 to 10, what would you say? 9.6. Wow. Oh, that says 10. It's the best. Wow.

You can't put 9.6 fingers. Oh. Impressive. Give me half finger. Head into week seven. 3-3 cheats. are in the driver's seat, according to Las Vegas. Mahomes now the MVP favorite and the Chiefs now have the second best Super Bowl

odds. Best in some shops. In some shops, the absolute best. Some places overseas. Yeah, and domestic. Offshore. Oh, I can't start this with you again. Let's just keep going.

You don't have to, you know what I mean? You go line shopping. Next thing you know, Nick's taking a vacation in Bermuda. Flying with cash. ATSA, why don't you check the backpack? How much are you doing? How much are we allowed to bring over? I'm saying.

What are you doing? It's a patriotic thing. Can we do the show? Sorry, are you buying the Chiefs are all the way back? They're so back. And everybody knows they're back. And there's soft data and hard data. The soft data are things like University of Texas El Paso coming out with a peer-reviewed study, allegedly.

That turns out the NFL's been rigging things from the Chiefs dating back to the final three years of Alex Smith being the quarterback. Like nothing screamed ratings bonanza than Alex Smith throwing screen passes in 2015. That's a study. Missouri, Missouri, really. It's just, there's that. The complaining from the opposition. And then the hard data, which is Mahomes is back to be in Mahomes.

And the, again, you guys don't have to love the tackle that turn the tide. That's fine. But the fact of the matter is, since. That Giants game, he is four touchdowns, two out of three games after doing it zero in the previous 28. Four total touchdowns after the tackle turned tied? In two of the three games. Wow. Yeah, exactly.

Thank you, KW. The team is scoring 30. Seemingly, it will, once again after doing it once in the previous 28 games. Or that's the 124 rating. Pardon me. And then the 30 is, they've done it almost as many times in the last three games. as they did in the previous 28. And they are only going to be getting better.

Because now for the first, Sunday will be the first time ever that they're in theory top three receivers, Hollywood, who I don't think is top three receiver on the team anymore, but him, Rishi, and Xavier are on the field at the same time. And most importantly, Coach, Juju, who's been really good for him. Rishi is going to take over that role. And you're going to have Rishi and Travis Kelsey patrolling the intermediate with Xavier and Taekwon Thornton. defense is respect the deep ball and with Mahomes trusting his protection which you saw their

backup left tackle did have a good game last week I just don't know why the chiefs aren't the scariest offense in the league again which makes them the scariest team in the league again okay well there's good news Kansas City's 11th in points per game defensively that's good they're nine points per game offensively good on the give what about post tackle turn the Yeah, you got a good on giveaway takeaway ratio. That's positive. Mahomes is trending in the right direction in a bunch of categories, whether it's TD percentage, interception percentage, sacks are down a little bit. So his quarterback rating is actually up six points from what it was the last two years. So all those things are really good. But we're forgetting now a week ago, they had 13 penalties. They had a turnover. They lost the game. That was problematic. And they've only beaten one winning team. So I don't know. if I'm ready to march down the street shouting how the chiefs are back and the scariest team in the league when a week ago they were sloppy, they were undisciplined, and they lost, and they've beaten one team with a winning record. So how are they back? Can I, because here's

the problem, Coach. Because Rash is back? No, that's not it. That's not it at all. But because you're, because here's the problem, because your heart's not really in it. Because if I were to ask you, who is the scariest team in the AFC right now? I'll just say the AFC. Who would you say? Well, you have to give it to the quarterback who is the best quarterback. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I told you your heart's not in it. Justin Herbert.

Okay, yeah. Yeah, your heart's not in it. I just, I mean, and the, again, the season long numbers brew to me are kind of meaningless because. But Nick, how are you ignoring the week before? No, I say, because here's the thing. The tackle that turn to tie, like I said, I'm not convinced that the juke move that I can't remember the guy's name from Jacksonville put on Mahomes in the pick six, the 99-yarder.

That didn't erase the impact of the tackle to turn the time. That's a pretty good play, too. Yeah, that's what show, like, I will give you this. In big games, you trust them more than anybody. I mean, obviously, from what they've done in the past. But this year, I mean, they did lose the Philadelphia. but outside of that against, you know, the Ravens, which was a big game. Yes.

They look great. Obviously, Detroit. It really wasn't in retrospect. Well, I mean, at that time, Lamar was there. Lamar was there. You know, and I mean, the defense, the race is poor at this point. We'll see if last week carries over. But that was considered a big game.

Detroit was a big game. So, and Mahomes, I don't think Mahomes is back yet to what he, I think he's going to get better. I think it'll probably take Rishi a couple games. But I guess what I'm saying is I think they will get better. I think that defense coach, which like you said is 11th in scoring defense, I think that's going to get better. They've been better than that the past few years. There's kind of been this feeling I think that one side of the ball for the chiefs can be great

and the other can be good enough. And I don't, and I think they, I think both sides. I think the offense can be great. The defense can get much better. I actually don't think the defense is as good as that number suggests because they're playing such low possession games. So points per game that is depressed because it's long possessions on both sides. I think the devens does need to get better actually, particularly generating a pass rush with four. But here is the reason that Jacksonville game isn't as disconcerting to me as is to you.

I have watched the Chiefs under Andy Reid for Mahomes' whole career. they are not going to be a highly penalized team. Like that, to me, was aberrant, and they corrected it the next week. They lost that game because the greatest quarterback alive to, or playing today, I don't want to argue about Tom Brady, made a mistake that he makes once every couple of years, didn't see a guy. And so, like, listen, that's on Patrick. It wasn't a fluke.

It wasn't. But I don't think that's. It was also a really good defense. It was a great play. Right. And so, and the offense almost had 500 yards. Like, they moved the ball up and down the field. Now, that doesn't win you a football.

game, but giving you confidence that the Chief's offense is back to humming. To me, the Jacksonville game raised my confidence in that the Chief's offense's ability to move the ball, even though Patrick made the mistake and they committed a bunch of penalties. I just, and you're judging them against their contemporaries. And in the NFL, this is right now. Right now there isn't a team you look at like, oh, man, what are you going to do with those guys? Everybody thought it was Detroit. And then Detroit came to Arrowhead and left Arrowhead.

whining about bully. Well, yeah. So more on that story, Brian Branch, as correctly predicted by Brew, classic one, suspended for one game for his post-game frocus. He's appealing, but right now he slayed to miss next week's tilt against Tampa Bay. Lion seemed to be on tilt. Yeah, good job.

Poker term. Yep. Here's Kirby Joseph on Mahomes, who had four touchdowns. Take a listen. How difficult is it against Mahomes when you got it's hard at all, bro. Don't even say it's difficult. It's a hard.

He also then coach either tweeted or retweeted 24 things whining about the officiating. I just wanted you to know. Yeah, I mean, Mahomes 22 for 30, 257 yards, three TDs and a rushing TD. So if, what was it, that stuff's not hard. Not hard. So if that's not hard and this is the result, what's going to happen when it is hard? And I have a real problem with minimizing what Mahomes did. to try to put it into a context of this isn't hard

and disregarding the problems that you have because to me then you're not going back into the film room and back to the next week of practice and really trying to dial in on what needs to be fixed if you're just disregarding it as it was fluky or it's not who we, that becomes a real problem because you start overlooking stuff that now shows up week in and week out.

Well, Branch did a similar thing. He said, we beat ourselves. We beat ourselves. So look, I, I want to say different teams and different players react differently to losses or whatever. But this does feel like a team being frazzled. And it reminds me of the Ravens. Like clearly we see the Ravens knowing their S-Bob, knowing that the chiefs have been their kryptonite.

And when they play them or, you know, whether it was the unsportsmanlike conduct penalties a few years ago, in the AFC championship game, but they just seem to get flustered and so upset when they lose to them. That's what I saw. Now, I think the bills, even though they're asked about, I think they've handled things pretty well. There's some other.

Philadelphia, we know they have their issues, but they seem to be fairly even killed with losses like this. This reminded, this just felt like a team that knows it's under the gun to win the Super Bowl and wanted to come out and make a stand. statement and wasn't able to do it and now and they didn't react maturely.

Yeah, I'm surprised this game tilted. They're all pro safeties the way it did. I mean, Kirby Joseph's first team all pro last year. Brian Branch is a great player. The Lions came into that game on the longest winning streak in football. The, they, the, I know you guys mentioned it yesterday. I think this game's in the balance. Amon Rae St. Brown has his first drop in literally two years.

First drop in two years. And the game is kind of played on the Chiefs. terms from thereafter, to not just take your loss like a pro. Yeah, we'll get better. Yeah, like, hey, they're a great team. They're better than their records, suggest. That's why they've been to all these Super Bowls. We'll see them in February, maybe.

Like that, and Dan Campbell did that. Like, Dan Campbell, I thought after the game, and he's like, I love Brian Branch, this isn't who we are. Dan Campbell, I thought I had great leadership. But I thought from the end of the game coach worried me, and I'm going to keep harping on this. Their identity is toughness. It is the opening drive.

You have a nine-minute smash-mouth opening drive. You have fourth and goal from the six-inch line. And you don't trust David Montgomery. Instead, you ask Jared. The first play, remember, was going to be a Jared Gough rollout. Dan Campbell called timeout. The chiefs had that one dead to rights. And then they decide we're going to have Jared Gough go try to catch a pass team, though.

They like to be cute. Yeah, I just don't think that was, I guess, the time and place for it. Fourth down on the opening drive. It just seemed anti their identity of who they're trying to be. Yeah, and I think the anti their identity was across the board. So the comments are anti their identity. The lack of accountability was anti their identity. And the problem is the head coach is very consistent and his messaging is consistent, but it didn't seem to carry over to the players. And in terms of that play call, it is still a new offensive and defensive coordinator. and there is still going to be some times and big moments, especially like this,

where maybe the coordinator that was with him in the past, that they had shared those moments, would have gone to Montgomery, where Johnny Morton's still feeling his way, and hopefully he's learned from that and stays more consistent with their identity. Do you think the coordinator had been their past would have known the rule? I don't think that falls purely on the coordinator. I think that's coordinator, head coach. That's a group effort.

Lions Tampa Bay. That's a big game. It's a big game for Brian Branch to be out. Yeah. For Brian Branch to be out for no reason. Especially with all the other injuries too. Yeah. Coming up next, a little baseball-laden episode of Weird and Wonderful.

And are the Dolphins. That's up, man. Right? Right. This is when we get the weird one thing. And Blake Snell with an all-time game. He's really good. All-time game that.

Can we let him finish? Player hating. Two in the Dolphins losing a heartbreaker and after the game, Tua called out players. Take a listen. It starts with the leadership in helping articulate that for the guys

and then what we're expecting out of the guys, right? We're expecting this. Are we getting that? Are we not getting that? We have guys showing up to player-only meetings late. Guys not showing up to player-only meeting. Like, there's a lot that goes into that.

Do we have to make this mandatory? do we not have to make this mandatory? So it's a lot of things of that nature that we've got to get cleaned up. Okay. This is a stunning lack of accountability for your franchise quarterback and the highest paid guy on the team. And Tua has a real tendency, in my opinion, especially in games where he has played poorly, to let everybody else know how many other people aren't doing their jobs well.

And I don't like it at all. And I can't believe him, he goes to the podium and he's like, hey, we have these player only meetings and our player leadership it needs to do a better job at making, buddy,

if you're not the player leader, number one, who is? And so people looked at this as if it was, where a shot at McDaniel, and maybe it was. My opinion, Tua owes any 90% of that contract to Mike McDaniel, but set that aside, he's on a player-only meetings, and he's airing it out after a game where he throws three picks.

I just, I think that's stunning. I think it's stunning. I do agree that him saying, you know, we have these players-only meetings, guys don't show up or they're late, that is an indictment of him. Yes. Because you're the leader. If you're saying, guys, we're going to have a player only beating and half the team shows up, that's on you.

So it does put his leadership in question. Secondly, look, I think Mahomes could say this. I don't think he would because Mahomes always puts it on himself even when he's not to blame. Or Lamar or Josh. They could say it. I don't think any of them would say this. Correct. But you definitely can't say this.

after a three, you threw three interceptions. You can't say this after against New England. You're driving late down three in the fourth quarter. You throw an interception that kind of ends the game. You can't say this after against Buffalo. You got a chance to win. You're driving late. You throw the interception that ends the game.

Like, the reason those guys aren't showing up for his players-only meetings or they're late is I, from the outside looking in, it looks like they don't respect him because you're the one throwing, making these bad plays and yet you're calling us out. He needs to just go up there and say look, even if he,

you know this, even if you feel like other guys are to blame, look, I got to be better. I threw three interceptions. It's on me. It starts and ends with me. I got to be better. Leave it at that. Yeah, usually the players only meeting is a symptom of an organization that has some sickness, that has

some problems, that has some some issues so then the players the thought processes will get together kind of hash it out have total honesty but now when you're having multiple players only meetings that's that's real problematic and then when people aren't showing up to the player only meetings you know then we create a layer of problems and then part of player only meetings is to not have the coaches or the staff staff there so that things can be private and in and how So now you're taking the fundamental element of that and bringing it out into the media to call out everybody. None of it's good.

None of it's good for the coaches. It's not good for the players. It's not good for Tua. And unfortunately, this is heading down a path where there's probably going to be massive organizational change, I would imagine. Last year, he fumbled a snap. It led to a safety. He goes to the press conference says the center could have had a better snap. This year he throws a pick and he's like, Tyreek knows I can't throw it that far.

That's on him. And the guys aren't showing up for player leadership council meetings of which he is the main player leader. And he's like, guys need to a better job. It's all public, by the way. This isn't like it's being reported. He is standing at the podium doing this as the highest paid guy on the team and one of the lowest performing quarterbacks of any quarterback that's gotten a second contract of anyone in the league right now. It's outrageous.

And you're selling out everybody. It's outrageous. A former player, he was just a practice squad guy three years ago with the Dolphins came out and said Tua was actually late for a team. And if that's the case, that to me is more of an indict. I do think Mike McDaniel might run a loose ship. I do think that. But I also think that Tua has, because everyone I think respects the fact of what he has gone through and overcome

and the danger he's put himself in by continuing to play, he has gotten kind of a kid glove treatment on, bro, you consistently throw your teammates under the bus in a way that wouldn't be acceptable if you were great. It is certainly not acceptable when you are a major part of the problem. Got to have a bowling night, probably. Nobody knew to have to have a bowling meeting. After this.

Bowled night almost ruined our show. Well, we were in a good spot. It can go either way. It's very powerful. Drake May climbing up, Mahomes down. A lot of high-fives. Like, when does it start? Like, six-ish.

Just leave it open. Live from New York. Well, it's been an hour, and I still haven't ever met anyone from Washington State. You've met. I'm trying to be a Mariners fan, having a watch party.

You know my homesome because I've never seen anyone from Washington. You know Mina. I met Mina a few times. Is she from Washington, actually? Yes. I don't know. I don't love this.

I love the Mariners. This is a little hurtful. Yeah, Coach's family is a bandwagon. I haven't had tons of people from Canada. Yeah, Toronto. Yeah. So you should be on Toronto. I can get you to those games in really good seats.

I'm a Mariners guy. This guy. Guys don't understand. I don't know any of it. Ken Griffey Jr. He's not. Okay. Eichro, famously born and raised in Seattle.

Seattle. Today, did the bills let down Josh Allen? Or did Josh Allen? let down the bills. Well done. Let's just think about it. Meanwhile, a brand new edition of Brew's MVP ballot, which he kind of like self-diced earlier in the show. I didn't think it was necessary. No, I just did want to make it seem like, you know,

the actual MVP award. But it is to the show. It means something. You know, I'm a humble. I'm a humble suit. But right now, we're headed on an adventure. Well, it's chilly without my gloves. Week six is in the books. What a wild climb we've had. Superstars have fallen prey to injury on the mountain.

And surprisingly, a pair of Jones's, Mac and Daniel, have climbed pretty high. But the air is growing thin up here. Let's see who rises and who falls as we climb. Mahomes Mountain. I'll tell you what, A.I. Not just doing chores. Not just comforting the elderly. Yeah.

Old people get, because lonesomeness is an epic. What is in your glass? What's not funny? It ain't coughing. First of all, it's not funny. Loadsomeness is an epidemic. Why are you crying with laughter? Because the robots are there to help.

Brew. For some reason, Wilde thinks the solution after a bad show like he had yesterday is to just do a one-man stand-up act. Because won'tomeness is an epidemic, you're joking around about it. The robots are there to be like, hey, how this is- Be like, hey, how? Time for the mountain. A lot of people off right now. Quarterback play in this league, I got to tell you, it's seen better days.

The best of the best, like the top 10 to 15 quarterbacks, their numbers are really good. And then it's some really tough ones. Wilde's literally is a tear dripping down his face from his own humor. Can we please show you who is off the mountain? Lamar and Brock because of injury. Justin Fields, because the game's. are televised. Dylan Gabriel because it's not a six foot in underling.

Cam Ward. Oh man. This was a shocker. This is mostly on coach. Wait. I didn't draft him. You told me the offensive line would be great. You and father and son's like, Tommy boy. KW. He's got to throw the ball. He's got to get. He also,

you picked him to go to the playoffs. Coach didn't tell you to do that. Can we go back to his off the mountain without these interruptions? Joe Flacco, it hasn't been good. Cooper Rush. I think the if luckily Lamar's coming back, if not, I think you'd have to go hunting. Absolutely. You just can't, you can't trot him out anymore.

No question. Bottom of the mountain, Bo Nix and Mack Jones next to each other. Mac threw for a bunch of yards also could have had five turnover. Fumbled three times, threw two picks. Bo Nix. End of controversy. Yeah, that's correct, brook. There are 32 teams in the NFL.

one of them's the Broncos. They played the Jets. The Titans also exist. The other 29 teams would have beaten the Broncos this past weekend with the quarterback performance they got. Luckily, they were playing the Jets. Tua blames the ice, I assume, for his place on the mountain. Bryce moves up a bit. Carson Wentz played well.

And then Kyler, I can't take him off for injury because you got to miss multiple weeks. But Jacoby Brissette went in there and looks good. Yeah. And so. I thought they had. Yeah, I thought they. I know. You almost had a good one.

All right, row six. Jalen hurts, Trevor Lawrence. Yeah. Same spot on the mountain. Weird. Jackson Dart. Listen, he got lost on his way to the mountain and started headbutton the mountain. But this is his moment for now.

Pennix, I thought, played well. They also, when they could have just taken knees almost late in the game, called a pass play that was this goal to be in a pick, six, lose. It's the tie of the game. It was one of those ridiculous play calls and decisions I've seen, but I thought Pinnix played well. Gino back up. Gino is solid.

Again, he's had a rough opening month. There's one pick. They got a win. And Spencer Rattler, not that bad. He's actually good. You were scared if he got the ball back for six minutes left. He's actually good. Yeah.

All right. Now we're to the guys who are actually playing well. Top 15. J-Lo stays where he is. I didn't think he had a great game. He did make a great play at the end to seal it. Jaden, again, You remove his two worst plays.

It was an awesome game, but those two worst plays probably cost him the game. Fair is fair. Aaron Rogers has to move up. I think it's very, I'm very interested to see what a really good defense or a really good defensive coordinator does against the Steelers. But right now, this very, very, very quick passing game is working. Caleb handled the operation well, ran for a touchdown. Had a touchdown taken off the board.

We didn't even talk about it. It was one of his better throws and got him in field goal range late. And CJ off this week. Not going to move him all in a bye. Top 10. Sam Darnel been really good. Like really good for a Seattle team. Hey, Seattle on the show again.

That's just really good. I just credit where it's due. So the Seahawks, in my opinion, have proven they're a really solid team. Daniel Jones, once again, delivering the Colts defense didn't play well this week. They won anyway. Golf has to drop, not a ton, but drop a lot. little bit. I didn't think he played great. Justin Herbert, weird one, because I didn't think he played that great, but he, for the second time this year, made an unbelievable play that saved the game for them. He did it against Denver, evading a rush, making a throw, and then did it this week. Top six. Josh Allen has to move down. Fair is fair. Dax stays where he is. He's been excellent. We've arrived.

Drake May. Wow. Moving up. Thank you, bro. Drake May. I looked, yesterday Wilde said Drake Mays pass a rating in every game this year after week one. Yeah. And the numbers were so high that I grabbed his paper and looked at it. I was like, is that correct? Because I didn't, I forgot they had played six games. I was like, I know week one he didn't play. But since week one, he's been like 105 or higher every single week, he deserves to be where he is.

Don't reveal it yet. Now last week, Patrick Mahomes was not atop the mountain. We had for the third straight week, someone knew atop the mountain. was Baker Mayfield. Patrick Mahomes, now three games post-tackle the Turn the Tide, another four touchdown game, National TV, MVP favorite. I know what everybody's thinking. But the mountain is fair.

Reveal Row 2. Patrick stays where he is, and everybody's all-American. Matt Stafford moves up because it would be outrageous to lower Baker Mayfield after the week he just had. So as great as Patrick is, Baker was team being five and one. Baker pulling off that third and 14.

Baker throwing to Tess Johnson, who's 145 pounds dealing with, you know, his fourth, fifth, and six string wide receivers. Baker deserves to, dropping it would have been outrageous. Did I consider two number ones co? Did I, you know, a little Texas Tech, Oklahoma Redux? I did. But I said, you know what?

We'll just leave it as it is. And that is America's most trusted and believable quarterback ranking service. Well, Holmes Mountain. Great job. That was pretty good. I am really proud of you that you're willing to put Mahomes on lower than the top of the mountain two weeks in a row. I think that's that shows real close.

It's actually four weeks in a row. Is it four weeks in a row? Because it was Lamar, Josh. I don't know if it was ever a little. I think it was Lamar Josh, whatever it was. I guess once you had a glimmer of hope to put him back up there, I thought instantaneously he would fly back up. So that's really positive. Here's where I disagree.

I don't know why Stafford moved up and DAC didn't. To me, that doesn't seem right. It doesn't seem fair. And here's my thought for us on this. So they played Carolina, the worst defense in the league, or they played Baltimore, worst defense in league, where DAC played Carolina, and I'm not saying they're the 85 bears, but they're a lot better defensively than what Baltimore is. So that's one component of it.

And then when you look at them head to head over the last three games, because I know this is a rich tapestry, but I just wanted to put it in a context of the how good Dack has been playing compared to Safford. And look, it's not crazy different, but I think the other significant part about this is what they have to deal with going into the game. Because every game Dallas has to go in with the 31st ranked defense in terms of points allowed,

where the Rams have the third best defense with points allowed. So Dack has to go in with the mindset of, I need to score 30 points, which is a ton of pressure without his number one receiver, where it's totally different. from Matthew Stafford, he knows if he just gets to 20, then they're going to be okay, because they're giving up a little under that at about 18. So just from a mindset and performance expectation, DAC has significantly more pressure,

game in and game out, and he's delivered, and I'm not sure why Stafford trumps him on the mountain. A couple reasons. One is, I guess, pressures in the eye of the beholder, so to speak. Some would argue DAC is under less pressure than in any point. in the last decade because the team has so little expectations at this point when he's good people give him applause whether they win or lose but the other one is this and I don't kind of taking a shot of his character but he doesn't know no no no no I was oh that's not fair I was

not taking a shot at the X character I'm saying is I think it's I think that there is an added pressure when you're an S-Bob team like the Rams or S-Bob adjacent brew you're the arbiter of s-bob as opposed to a team where it's like hey you know nobody really expect anything from us this year. The other part of it is this, and I don't, and I want your honest opinion on this. Okay. I watched that Rams Ravens game, and it felt to me like the Rams were uber conservative offensively because they felt like, if we don't turn the ball over, Cooper Rush can't get to 10 points. And because of that, like I, maybe I'm wrong. I felt like if Lamar Jackson were starting that game, the Rams might have scored 30, like that everything

would have been different, but they, everything was kind of more constricted and, and so maybe that's a, maybe teams don't do that, but it felt to me like they were, had a game plan of, don't make mistakes and we can't lose to this Ravens offense, the way it is currently rolled. I really thought that the mountain was structured based off a performance, not based off subjective intent. Well, I understand it. That's why I showed, that's why I showed the last three games, yeah, supposed to the whole season. Show the rich tapestry.

Yeah, because if you showed the whole season, you spent it's a match for everything. And I just, I guess, I guess we can, we can magically predict what the intent was of the different staffs at the moment. No, I, I, I, I, I suppose to what actually happened. Okay. And put him where he belongs. Well, there is, I'm not, it's not a quarterback wins mountain, but it certainly helps to win. He brought it.

He tied up the game and then they went on a 15 play drive and kicked the field goal to win the game. Looks like you should have managed the clock? Should he gone out and played safety? Like, where, what? he wanted to do. Go ahead. Look at hell. All right.

Josh Allen, he has to drop. More. Yes. I mean, Josh really, when you really look at it, he's had two really good games this year, Baltimore, obviously, and Miami. And then after that, it's been okay. And the last, I said it earlier,

last three games, he's got five turnovers, four interceptions, away the one that was late this weekend last night. Still. I mean, still four interceptions. Last year, that was his magic potion, right? That he didn't turn the ball over all of a sudden. Now he's back to doing that. They've lost their last two games. And I am moving Sam Darnold because Nick is right. He's been playing great. And that that bomb he threw to Jackson Smith in Jiglow. be like that way. Was,

yeah, because I'm taking him from you? Because you don't want him. You discarded him. I'm not even claiming him. I'm just saying the dude is bawling. You couldn't have thrown the pick the ball to JSN any better than he did. And here's their numbers compared to each other.

I mean, Darno's got him whipped in everything. TD the interception ratio is close. But again, Josh lately has been throwing a lot of picks. 9.6 yards per pass is unbelievable. Incredible. And here's the other thing.

And I like Kenneth Walker the third, but they've got a bottom 10 rushing game right now. Overall. So he's kind of, believe it or not, even though they do have the great receiver, he's carrying the offense. It's not like they got this great run game and he's supplementing it.

He's carrying it right now. They are a very good team. So yeah, I think Darnel can move up. Okay, so that, listen, I am not going to take any shots at how Darnold's played this year. I think he's been outstanding. And again, the mountain's not left to right,

but oddly enough, Darnold was the first person on that row. And like, I consider Darnold and Drake May. I consider that. That was the last call there. What? No, I did.

I mean, Darnold's been that, you just saw the numbers. Darnold's been that good. The team, by the way, is the same record as Drake's, but set that aside. It would have felt unfair for me

to drop John. outside of the top six. I understand the point you're making. He does, and on the bye week, he won't play. We'll see how he then plays at Carolina, which all of a sudden has become a tough place to win in Carolina. Coach's, they have the chiefs. All right, KW. Go ahead.

All right, so I'm putting Drake May. What did we come up with Dusty? Because remember he was on the doorstep of Destiny? Then I put him in the mud room of Destiny. Then they were in the foyer of Destiny. Now we're nearing the kitchen of Destiny. And there's like nice snacks laid out. My wife put some cheeses and stuff out.

It's great. What type of cheese? There's all sorts of, one's a triangle, one's a soft cheese, and one's a hard cheese. Is it three? The soft cheese is. No, the triangle. The triangle maybe.

Raw stats for Drake Mae. This is just to like... Raw stats? Yeah, this is what I labeled this as raw stats. This is just to wet your appetite, because I usually have three graphics. This is just like having the crackers out there and the cheeses. Like, oh, it's four and one.

That's first. Completion percentage. first. Oh, this is since week one. Yeah, because that was a warm-up game. He loves doing it. Well, it's like how we treat the charger. Week one counts. Tell that to him, because it was in Brazil.

We can't talk about it. We can talk about it. We can talk about week one. It just happens to be PTT, T, T, T, T, T, T. He does, see, he makes it. I just drew a line at the end of the Raiders game. Like, we can talk about it. A bad moans play.

Got it got a attack. Okay. This is, now this is the main course. Okay. Drake May throwing the ball deep coach. I did not see this because I thought Josh McDaniel's offense was mostly going to be a combination of a little bit of the Cam Newton offense where Cam couldn't throw the ball in his Patriots tenure

and a little bit of Mac Jones offense, who although he throws a pillow, that can't really sling it down the field. This is the highest completion percentage and passer rating by any quarterback in the last 10 seasons. It's just shocking. A perfect passer rating. is 158.3. So I don't know why it's not perfect.

I mean, honestly, it's probably... How many deep balls is that... Does he throw one? No, no, no. I don't know. He's thrown a lot. 13? 13.

Yeah. And we have one taken off the board. And then here's a little story, let you in behind the curtain. Okay. We're on the third floor. And Brew doesn't really talk to us during the day. No. Like here, he's like very friendly, but a lot of that is because he saves up all of his friendly energy

just for these two hours. I think it's really. Coach and I have a friend of you got. Yeah, we're We always chat. Well, I never talked to Bru, and then finally I saw him. And he's like, wow, how lucky are you that you have a guy? I said, what do you mean?

He said, you went from Tom Brady to Drake. If Drake is good, I said, bro, are you considering Drake May like an all-time great? Like he's the baby goat? Because it didn't come from me. It came from bro. I don't know that he said all that. But there was a lot of it in first. A lot of it was.

He said that if he becomes a great, you know, He said, you know what Bruce said to me? He goes, Nick, you had to go from, you had to wait for Lynn Dawson. Yeah, that's what he said to me? I was not alive for Lynn Dawson. So here's the nice all time grade. 200 or more passing yards and 100 or more passer rating. Longest streaks by a quarterback, 23 or younger.

Granted, there's a lot of qualifiers. Yeah. But it's Mahomes, Marino, Drake May, and Dak, who remember was on fire as rookie year. That's pretty great. That's all. I'm trying to figure 200 plus pass yards, 100. And streaks for if you're 23 or, before you turn 24. So that's basically what it says is he's basically a combination of a home.

Dan Marino. I'm not jumping the gun. It's just the stats. I don't know what I mean to do it. Something more. Something more important has happened here. What happened? And it is seminal for the show.

Oh my goodness. Semino. Because I once again, and I'm not even going to worry about the fact that for the third straight time. Wilds has broken the format. I'm not worried about it. I'm not worried about it. The format is this guy's too high, this guy's too low, switch him.

He doesn't do that anymore. That's fine. Does his own thing. It's just a Drake May. That's fine. That's fine. His advertising praise Drake May. I think we all need to take a moment

recognize something. Show the whole mountain if you would, please. And you're going to get mad of me, KW. But the truth is the truth. Jalen Hertz is on the sixth row of this mountain. He is on the same row as Spencer Rattler. Who's good? Trevor, KW, wait a moment.

Trevor Lawrence, he is underneath Caleb, Aaron Rogers, who throws for 300 yards once in 45 games, and not a single word of objection from him. Instead, he just was like, hey, Drake. make me love where your position no problem i'm just i'm telling you you had an opportunity there to be like hey can the super bowl MVP not be i'm with jackson dart is oral right with jackson dart and instead because so here is the real takeaway i'm letting you'll always you'll always remember some fun moments with jail and hurts no but you've moved all flowers coming no i'm

i'm i'm kw definitely k w what do you want to me to put up. KW. I want you to fight. I just want you to fight for your guy. I am. I'm mistaken. You didn't even.

That's the other thing. It would have been the perfect time. First of all, it's way too low. I was waiting for that. He didn't even do it. Then you go. He didn't even when I did it in real time.

He interrupted me when I was doing off the mountain, said other things about row seven. I say Jalen Hurts next to Trevor. Not a mumbling word from That's a good point. I shouldn't. You didn't even give Jaylen a second. Not even a second.

No. I'm telling you, all those tweets. All those tweets. How long until Drake May has a resume of Jalen Hertz, buddy? Look, I'm still a Jalen Hurts guy, but it's just hard. The empirical evidence this year is a little bit rough. But I'm also confident that he will climb. You know how everybody will always know I'm a home's guy.

When the empirical evidence is against him, they were, they were, He's still in a home? They were 0 and two and his numbers were bad. Did anybody be like, oh, is Nick souring on Mahomes? No. I'm still a Jalen Hurts. I know. I'll put them out of the mouth next week.

Go 74 yards, Matt. See, there. Trying my best. I'm going to meet me halfway here. Should the bills be stressed out after a loss? Start your Saturday Strong. It's Michigan. Going up against Washington, a state filled with people.

but I've never met anyone from there. Big noon sat, Washington, imagine if Washington wins this. It would be huge. Holy cow. Michigan needs to bounce back. Michigan needs to bounce back. Ooh, Big noon kickoff starts at 10.

Yeah, they do. Only on Fox. Welcome back to the show. Bill's the last two in a row. This won by 10. Josh Allen held under 200 yards passing sacked four times. Sean McDermott said, you know what, coach?

Not necessarily all his fault. Take a listen. You've got to spend a lot of time. at this thing and figuring out what's going on and fixing it. It was too hard, too hard tonight on our quarterback, and it doesn't need to be that hard all the time where he's having to run out of the pocket. Their pressure, I thought at times we picked up the pressure,

and then at other times the pocket was getting affected early. So the Russian coverage, as you know, we talk a lot about that, and it was disrupting our offense. Coach, blitz on 56% of his dropbacks, highest since 2021. How much of this loss is on Josh Allen? And what did you think of McDermott's quotes? Yeah, I agree with McDermott. It's not all on Josh Allen. And Buffalo's run defense has been poor. They're 30th in the NFL, 28th going into the game, 30th after the game. And Bejohn Rodginson rushes for 160. He has the longest rush of the season. And then

they give up 10 completions to Drake London. So there's that issue. And then on the flip side of it, that his past defense is number one in the league. So you're going into a situation where you don't stop the run very well. You're playing the best passing defense in the league. Not only that, but they historically bring a significant amount of pressure. And it's frustrating in the same way,

I'm sure, Dack feels week in and week out, where he's got to play Superman ball. And that can be okay for a while, and he did a really good job of managing that last season and keeping the turnovers down. But when every single game, it's got to be like that, then eventually these turnovers are going to continue to come. And when you look at the turnovers from the game,

the first turnover didn't lead to points. And the second turnover, they were already behind by 10. So it would have been just to get a touchdown in order to kick an on-site kick. The game at that point was already out of hand. Josh Allen has responsibility, but there are other inherent issues that Buffalo needs to address.

Look, I'm not absolving Allen at all. I've already talked about how, like, I would have dropped him on Mahomes Mountain. But I put more of this on the offensive line and the play calling. So James Cook was not in the game. James Cook averaged over five yards of carry last night. They had nine third down plays.

He wasn't on the field for any of them. All right. They had one fourth down play. He's not their receiving back. Right, but also a little decoy. That's my thing. Like, nine, every time he's not on the field. Like, to me, that's ridiculous, so I don't like that play calling.

And then, Coach, like, we talked a little bit about the O line. He was pressured on 47% of his dropbacks. That's the most since 2020 in the playoff game. And then he was sacked four times. That's the most in more than two years. So I just think he was, he rushed it, you know, because of the pass rush. He did end up, like I thought that first interception, he kind of rushed and got frazzled. But not absolving him, but there were a lot of other factors where I do think McDermott made a little sense.

Listen, all that's true. And the only reason this team is considered a great team potentially and has superal aspirations because of that player. I think he's the second best player in the entire league. Everybody thinks he's at least one of the three or four best quarterbacks in the entire league. Some people argue he's the best. But last night specifically, Atlanta was on fire early, and then, you know, they almost put the game away in the final play of the first half, but going for that cost them points. And then they were stuck in the mud the whole second half. The bills had the ball three times in the second half, down seven, go score to take the lead or get a field goal to really put pressure on them.

They only moved the ball once. The other times were three and outs. The one time they did move the ball, Josh did that kind of ridiculous push pass on fourth and two. And here is my frustration. Brew, you know how I've said the best life in sports is being like the 17th best player in the NBA, somewhere 17 to 25 where when you're great,

you get all the love. And when you're not great, people are like, the best player on the team needed to be better. It feels to me like Josh Allen, even though he's the defending MVP, lives in that world narratively. When the bills look

awesome, we never come on and be like, man, that offensive line is just the best. James, it is Josh Allen is playing the position as well as anybody who's ever played it. It's that he is neck and neck or his past Patrick or all these things. And when they

lose in a game that he did not play well. Again, I think it's rare that he doesn't play well, but he did not play well. They scored 14 points. We're saying there's a bit of he needs like the rest of the team let him down. And I just don't think, I do think they are a flawed roster. And I do think they need to improve on things you're talking about to win a championship. But I think last night, he was part of the problem. He was. I understand that. But we're talking about a running back that had 160 yards. That's not even counting what he had in receiving guards. No, he had like that goes 240.

It was talking about a wide receiver that had 10 catches. They weren't able to affect Michael Pennix at all. So he didn't have any turnovers. He was sacked a couple times. But that's radically different. Atlanta was coming off a buy. So I would imagine the blitz package was more extensive than maybe what they would have gotten in a traditional week.

So I'm not trying to take him off the hook, but I do agree that there are other systemic problems with this team that he can't overcome every week by being Superman. That's totally fair. Last year when the Bills lost their second game, they rattled off seven straight wins. So maybe they get on a roll. Steelers are four in one. And in first place, they're headed to Cincinnati to play Flacco in the Bengals.

Mike Tomlin, who is a fan of 40-year-old quarterbacks, not too happy that the Browns traded Flacco to the Bengals. Take a listen. It was shocking to me. Andrew Barry must be a lot small. smarter than me or us because it doesn't make sense to me to trade a quarterback that you think enough of to make your opening day starter to a division opponent that's hurting in that area. But that's just my personal feelings.

Bro your reaction to Mike Tomlin. Look, I love Tomlin, you know, calling out, you know, naming names and the whole thing, giving his view. But I don't blame the Browns at all. A player they're done with Joe Flacco that they can get a fifth round pick for? Sure, they're going to do it. And if I'm the Browns, I couldn't care less whether Pittsburgh or Cincinnati wins the division. It's not going to be us.

Our season is over. We're looking at our two young quarterbacks. So I get where Tom is like you're making it a little tougher on us. Are you like? Well, look, I guess. Yeah, I mean, Flacco's better than Jake Brown. I wasn't last year. I was saying.

Dick Browning was hot for a little second last year. Flacco could probably have three or four good games in him. And maybe one will be against Pittsburgh. But no, look, I don't, I get where Tom is coming from. I like his energy. But I got no problems with what the Browns did. Mike's been there a long time. I can't remember press conferences where he called out.

No, that's what I'm saying. This is so out of character. But I absolutely understand where he's coming from because they've got to play Cincinnati, what, twice now. And before they had to play Cincinnati. with one situation that wasn't very good for Cincinnati, but you throw Flacco in the mix. Flacco's a little bit like James Winston. If he catches fire with those offensive weapons,

he can hang 30 on anybody. On any given day, that player with all those other pieces, and they could disrupt the whole way that that division unfolds by trading that quarterback. So I see why he's frustrated with it. I just want more of this. I want more on the record coach and executive criticism of each other. Love it.

And Tomlin has the Gravitas and his team's winning and the track record that he can do it. Like you saw Brian Dable, you weren't here, you'd have loved this coach. Brian Dable last week, getting ready to play the Eagles, he was asked about A.J. Brown in being unhappy. And he's like, he starts off with the regular Pablin. He's like, yeah, listen, they have a lot of good players. you know, that's a good problem to have. And he's like, but if you watch the film, AJ's open a lot.

Like really trying to like mix the like stir it up. But that is a little more typical than this is a la Pat Riley to Danny Aange just not as caustic. Like a real, so I loved it. I thought it was great. Brian was a little more subtle. Yeah, Brian was more subtle and he's not naming a name. Him saying Andrew Barry was pretty good.

Flacco 11 and 11 against Tomlin. So a little bit stressed out they play on Thursday. Maybe this will be interesting. That would be funny if they went. Finally, Penn State preparing for Iowa in their first game without coach James Franklin, who was fired after losing to Oregon, and then he lost to UCLA, and then he lost to Northwestern. He's owed $49 million. It's the second largest buyout ever.

We had this graphic before we were previewing the Oregon game, that although Franklin had been a really good coach, against ranked opponents he wasn't good. Against top 10, he was worse. And against top 5, he was even worse at 1 in 15. Ohio State in Michigan, 4 and 17. So do you agree with Penn State's decision to move on from James Franklin? No. And I wonder, I think Penn State doesn't necessarily understand who they are without,

like, it's weird to say without Joe Paterno because he was there for 50 years. But I don't, Penn State's not Alabama and they're not Ohio State. and really those are the only two schools that are Alabama and Ohio State, where it's like we're actually ESBO every year. And I have seen at varying levels, Michigan thought we're too good, like Lloyd Carr. You know you want one championship with us, but we're Michigan. We're supposed to win a bunch, and you're really not. Like you're a great program, but you're not supposed to win 10.

And they were in the wilderness for 15 years. You know, my school, Syracuse, was like, we weren't competing for championships, but Paul Pasquolone, we were consistently a top 25 team. We're better than that. And then we went the 20 years since we fired Pasquiloni, we were top 25 team one time prior to last year. And Nebraska, after Tom Osborne, they have Frank Solich. Frank Solich is good, but it's like, man, with Tom Osborne, we were like winning all the national championships. They still haven't recovered. and James Franklin had limitations.

There's no question about it. But you had the lead, you were the number three team in the nation playing Oregon with a lead in overtime 20 days ago. And now you're just going to be on Florida State Jimbo Fisher. We won a national title with you, but we can do better. They haven't recovered. Like it's a risky, expensive move. Yeah, I like James Franklin a lot. I got to know him over the course of time, and I think he does a great job.

I do think there's numbers against ranked opponents. That was a problem. And I would imagine they were thinking about moving on from at the end of the season. And then he lost those two games by teams that he was favored by 20 points more, which hasn't, I don't think, happened in the history since the FBS and FCS split. So that was problematic. The only way this makes sense to me is if this somehow gives him advantage in recruiting and the NIL portion of it to make the move earlier rather than later.

So there's some certainty with the kids that are there, the kids that potentially are coming in there. That's the only way that it makes sense. But they won't know who the coach is. They may not, but they know that the change is happening. And I understand what you're saying in terms of programs, but you look at a guy like Signetti at Indiana, and I'm sure Penn State is saying,

it doesn't matter what we've always been or who our identity is because the NIL and the way, transfer portal the world's changed. I do also think, Nick, you're down playing Penn State a little bit. Like they, I mean, with Paterno, they were right there with Ohio State. Yes. And Franklin, to his credit, got them back. That's, like, they hadn't been in the top 20 in like five straight years before he got

their four straight years, something like that. And seven of his last nine years, they've been in the top 20, several of those times in the top 10. But like coach said, he couldn't beat the great teams. I'm Penn State. I do want to, I'm looking at it like I want to get to where Ohio State is. Like I think we can. I think Franklin clearly was a great recruiter, but in-game coaching seemed to be a problem

when you can't beat any of these top teams. One interception away. Still, overall, his record against crazy. Now, I agree with maybe moving on. I just think this was the wrong time. I would have let him play out the rest of the season. And maybe you turn it around, whatever, but let it play out the rest of the season. then move on after.

You better hire the right guy. I agree. Like with Indiana or. Yeah, no, you can't. There's some guys that they've, I'm sure, identified. It's whether or not they can get them. Iowa State's got a,

yeah, people are talking Matt Rule. He's a Penn State guy. But I don't know that he's better than James Franklin. I don't know. Fresh episode of Bruce Ballot coming up. A lot of changes. Ooh, a lot of changes. That's next.

Breaking news. Even though he's only 500, he is a Super Bowl champion MVP, and he's trying to put another trophy in his trophy case. Mahomes now has the best odds to win MVP, according to our friends in Las Vegas. But does he appear on the only ballot that counts on this show, which is Bruce now? A bunch of new faces.

Wow. Bunch of new faces. All right. I'm nervous. five. Bees out. I love it. I like a non-quarterback.

He is, I almost threw Nick Benito on there. Wow. I almost threw him on there. Regrets about that. But he's on pace, right? He's only played five games. He's leading the league in yards from scrimmage. On pace to break the record.

And he's got essentially a rookie quarterback that he's getting this done with. And so he's the focal point of that offense that's making a play. He's averaging 70 receiving yards. Yeah, it's incredible. And he's third in the league in Russian. So incredible. All right. At number four, Sam Darnold.

One of my guys. I'll take it. Oh, now he's one of your guys. He's on the ballot. Now he's one of your guys. He kind of has been one of Wild guys. Yes, but he tried to deny it. Yeah, but he's kind of dumped him.

Yeah. Brew and I kept calling him Wild guy. He's like, I'm not a Sam Dorn guy. I just like 14 wins and 4,300 yards. Everybody knows that. He worked with a son, Donald, guy, for a while. Yeah. Thank you.

I don't expect him to stay on this all year, but right now I can't deny him. He's balling. All right, at number three. Wow. I love it. Mahomes and the big, and I get it, the Ravens might not look like a big game now.

It was a big game. He had four touchdowns, three pass and one rushing. And then, of course, just against Detroit, four touchdowns. All these guys were not right. Getting better as he's getting guys. I know, it's a whole different. Wild, you're going to love it. Drake back.

He was so enthusiastic. I'm like, I'm definitely getting tricked. Like, Christ, he's stoned face. Here's why. Look, here's why. He, despite the resurgence from Stefan Diggs, he really doesn't have great weapons. He's making K. Sean booty like a household game. Like an old pro, yeah.

I mean, like the run game, he's almost there leading Russia. He's got like 19 yards less than Remandre Stevenson, who we know has had the fumble. So May is like the drive of course between. And then the first one, obviously, Baker makes it. That's the only one from last year, last week. So can I ask you a question? Any thought for everyone's all-American, Matthew Stafford? Yeah.

Or Daniel Jones. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I thought both of them were in strong. And I still have golf. Right now golf's leading the league with 14 touchdown passes. So he was in consideration too. I like Drake May on the ballot, but I think you're getting a little influence.

Well, I don't expect him. I don't expect him to stay there either. Mahomes has won half his games. Wouldn't you say, coach, look at like what the help he has. I get Josh McDaniels and Rabel and all that. But I'm talking about weapons. I go into the Pro Bowl with Josh McDaniel. All the guys on there have better weapons to him.

That part's definitely true. Well, Bejohn is the weapon. Yeah, but yeah. But so I love Bejohn being. I do, too. from New York. It's a show that it's all in on the Mariners now. All in. Get some Starbucks.

As a network, we need the Blue Jays. Takes in the series. Okay, but I am a Mariners guy. Because you're just a frontrunner. No. I love Starbucks and I love the Mariners. And I like George Kirby. Also, people you know from Washington.

How about face of the network, Colin Cowherty? I forgot. He's the only person I know from Washington. Aside from the other people, you mentioned. A handful of famous people. Yeah. But I've just never met a guy in the bar say, hey, I'm from Washington.

When you walk up to people at the bar? Yes. I'm from. I am from Connecticut. Yes. Where are you from? Are you from like the shipbuilding capital of the world or something? Submarine capital.

Submarine capital. Keeping everybody safe. First thing first, overtime. Today, have the Chiefs played their way up. Danny's top 10. It's top 10 Tuesday. I should have said that. A lot of people are like, why don't you call it Danny's does is?

No. A lot of people are saying that. Whatever was happening in the Syracuse class, there was a point with like, listen, guys, the most important thing you can do is T alliteration, okay? Tackle it turns the tide. Tuesday's top 10. They're like, okay, you got it, professor. That's exactly what happened.

Meanwhile, did the bills get exposed last night? Are they actually not that good? We're going to find out also. It's going to be a topic on top 10 Tuesday. But right now the Bears have won their third in the row after the commanders commit their third turnover of the game. Caleb moved the team down into field goal range and Jake Moody salvage his career. Yeah. Here's Caleb Postman.

I think being able to stay strong in those moments mentally is most important. And that's what I did. That's what we did. We stayed steady through all the ups and downs that we had in adversity throughout this game. We stayed steady as a team mentally. We didn't flinch and we kept going. All right, Danny, what did your bears prove with the win? That was a sire relief from me last night, boys.

The panic tweets are too much, dude. I was so... Caleb knew something. Then you may as well have been watching with me. Then you may as well have been watching with me. Because I was stressed. I was like high, strong... Because that was...

Listen, it's early in the season, I understand that. But that was playoff win adjacent for the Bears last night. They lose that game. Season's over. I'm going to be, like, fighting to get them into the D block of the show. Right? Like, they would be two and three tiebreakers, NFC playoff picture coming out of a buy, three takeaways in the game.

That would have been a devastating loss. And we'll talk Caleb in a second. I'm sure we always talk quarterbacks. But to me, that was the signature. Ben Johnson game. That was just like he got his signature win, the Bears completely buy in, because I said it to you guys last week, like, what is, are they going to get better? Out of a buy are they going to get better? Am I going to see signs of coaching? And I thought across the board, the penalties were still there, Caleb was still inconsistent, but the things

that he set out to improve, they hadn't been running the ball, right? Like, we can show you all this stuff. They hadn't been running the ball. 26th in the end. NFL, they had their best running game of the season. Troy Aikman at the beginning of the broadcast, he's like, if they're going to move the ball, they're going to have to do it through the air. DeAndre Swift had his best game as a bear. Like, they seemed like they solved the rushing attack against the top 10 rushing defense. Then the bears were literally the worst rush defense in the NFL, and the commanders were literally the best yards per carry offense in the NFL. And they stonewalled them. They held their running back to three and a half yards per carry. Jaden Daniels didn't

kill him on the ground. Like, marked improvement. rush offense and rush defense. And this, every Bears fan just can feel it, but then I can also back it up by the numbers. It's just a game the Bears always lose. And under Matt Iberfluse, they literally were the worst in the NFL in one score games, and they came out and figured out a way to win the game.

So Caleb Jaden, I wanted it for Caleb for all those narrative reasons and national stuff, and we can talk about it. But like, the playoff hopes are alive, and Ben Johnson actually made an impact on the team. Yeah, it was a good win for all. the reasons you said. I don't think Caleb, like,

he was inconsistent. He missed the two-point conversion throw. Yeah, yeah. But he was steady, and he didn't try to, I mean, he wasn't spectacular, which I kind of like. He can make the spectacular plays. But I like the fact that he was seemingly content

just to, you know, play on time and get the ball to the playmakers. Like you said, Swift was terrific. I don't think he did anything. Caleb to make me think he's better than Jaden. Like right now I firmly feel like Jaden is better. Now, I am willing because they're both so young in their second year and we'll see what happened with C.J. Straub.

Yeah. That who knows who will end up being the best in this class. Right now I would say probably Drake or Jaden. But Caleb can be in that mix. Like maybe he'll get going eventually. But right now, though, it's clearly Jalen, even with the too bad turnovers he at last night. But it was a good win for the Bears. And like you said, it keeps them in the mix. You know, they got a couple. Their next game, they should win.

Saints, Bengals, Ravens, Giants are their next four. So they should be able to run off a couple more wins before they get to the Ravens. But is it, is it Saints? Saints Ravens. And so what I do think is they're at home against the Saints. The Saints are better than a one in five team, but they're still a one in five team. And so that's a game. Losing that game undoes a lot of this. But you win it, and they're a favorite. Now you're four and two facing a Ravens team that we'll see what they look like.

And for Caleb, this is the stretch where he can start putting up real numbers. The Saints defense can get got. The Ravens defense exclusively gets got, and the Bengals are bad at everything at the moment. And so you go two and one in this stretch, and all of a sudden you're five and three and you're feeling good about those things. I understand, just give you a little context on Danny's tweets. This is almost a year to the date of this guy literally dropping to his knees in pain when these teams played in a standalone national TV game and the Hail Mary happened.

I'm really sorry you had to win this. That essentially ended the bear season. And I don't think it's an overstatement to say this had not playoff pressure, but if the Bears lose and they fall to two and three. The commanders lose. They fall to three and three. They are in 12th in the NFC. Right now the commanders are in 12th place.

Like they are going to be fighting uphill the rest of the year because of the time missed by Jaden and this loss because the NFC is so congested. The Bears would have been in even worse shape. So I agree with that piece of it. I also, I think that Jaden is, Jaden was unbelievable last year. Jaden has, in my opinion, up to this point this season, not been.

Part of that's because he got hurt, but he played away last night that makes me worried that's not going to be rare. Last night, I was consistently worried he was going to get hurt. And I don't think if we're elevating him or he elevated himself into the conversation of the best quarterbacks in football, the best. the best quarterbacks in football, they lost that game because of those turnovers. And if the game were flipped and Caleb had a lead and Caleb mishandled a snap and they lost because of it, it would be endemic of a bigger issue.

And so, Jaden, I understand, has earned a benefit of the doubt in that regard because of how well he played last year. But I think that the best quarterback from this class is going to be an ongoing discussion because five weeks ago, Drake was, there was no argument for Drake May after week one. No. There was less of, there was more of an argument for Caleb. In this moment than there was for Drake May five weeks ago. But I would argue it's a two-man race right now. Now, I'm not saying Caleb can't get in it, but right now it would be Drake and Jay.

All I would say is, yes, I agree with you. I would say, though, and I know I default to the eye test, Caleb's natural talent is right there on par with Drake May's natural talent, which is spectacular. Like, I do think like a fit physically thing. Caleb doesn't must be smooth and comfortable as a lot of not completing enough passes. Just raw.

Like, the completion percentage is lower, lower than it should be for sure. But like, I don't know, two plays I could show you from last night where we would come in today saying Caleb Williams had it a monster game. And I don't think it's that much of a margin for error. The illegal formation call on the left tackle

that takes the touchdown. It's a great play. Off the board. This is a great throw in a great spot. Late, him and Roma Dunesay are developed a great throw. It's a great play. And this is a very questionable call. Tell that to John Taylor.

Yeah. No, no. And they're making it a point of emphasis. I get it. This isn't going to blame the refs thing, although they were bad last night. But that was a great throw. He doesn't get credit with the touchdown. And then late in the game, the throw to Zakias backed up again.

This is going to be a 90s. seven-yard touchdown, or maybe a 50-yard completion. It's the fastest guy in the field in stride with no one on the left third of the field. If we came in today and Caleb had two passing touchdowns, 330 yards and a rushing touchdown. But we can probably do that most games with the quarterback. Not the overturn. The overturn one, I think, is more fair than that one. Like with Mahomes, we could say if Kelsey catches that ball against Philadelphia,

they win that game. I was talking about, to your point of how Drake May five weeks ago wasn't in the conversation. Those two plays are definitely... I can add Drake. Drake also had a touchdown taken off the board. Can I ask you a question? Yeah, but then I got to ask Danny a question. Okay, then you go.

You're the host. Because I sit next to Danny in my shared office upstairs. And I don't know what was going on because I also listened to this Ben Johnson post game in the locker room. And I think because I'm like a Patriots guy, I'll listen to Mike Rable. once. They're like, wow, that's cool. The vibes are good. He had it on repeat, like a song that he liked.

Had what on repeat? I'm not joking around. Are we playing? I was going to be like, no, I don't, I can't hear it another time. I don't know if you guys were doing like a social video, but like the vibes, honestly, in that locker room was something. They have like chance that like a, you know, a summer camp. Good, better best when your good gets better until your better gets best.

So you really. On three, one, two, three. I may have memorized it. I'm starting to believe in the bears in a real way. It's a long way it's saying. Absolutely. And that's why I want, like, again, Caleb Jaden is like the sexier conversation, but they are 110% bought in on Ben Johnson, and I really think he's changed the culture in Chicago.

Just listening to it like a song. It was amazing. I'll send it to you, bro. It's too much. Sorry. All right. All right. Can you save your question for maybe the post-game show?

Time now for Top Dead Tuesdays. 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 1. We could call it Danny's Dozens, but it's Top 10 Tuesday. And before I give the 10th best team in the NFL guys, I'll just say, the Panthers shut out the Falcons who beat the bills. No one knows anything. I'm not sure anyone's good other than the team that's coming up at number one. We'll get to that in just a minute.

But coming in at number 10, holding on, buy a thread, my Los Angeles Chargers. And Herbert had another amazing play that three guys on the planet can make to Ladd-McConkie. We'll show it to you here. But you could put eight guys designated to return from IR, but you don't get extras when they come back. The Chargers already have seven on the list. Like they have just been decimated by injury and this guy is keeping them afloat almost single-handedly. As long as he's healthy, I think they're going to be top 10 teams. Yeah.

Be the Dolphins. Let's last second plan. They're hanging on. Right. They stayed in the top. It's been two weeks since I've done this. Coming into number nine, the Green Bay Packers. I'm just not impressed by what I'm seeing.

The talent is undeniable. The ceiling when it looks right is great. They've got four sacks in their last three games. They've been outscored in the second half in three straight games. They are wildly inconsistent. Their best might be as good as anyone, but we don't see it that often. Coming in at number eight, the Rams. I was questioning what Matt Stafford was going to look like at this age with that back

behind this offensive line, and he had made me look foolish because he is off to his best start since he took them to the Super Bowl. I mean, those numbers across the board out of the gate are ridiculous. It's been a tough schedule. It's a very tough division. We'll see how it shakes out. But like if you've got Matt Stafford, everyone's all American playing at that level. They're going to be in a lot of games.

I know a lot of people have the Colts higher than seven because of just record. Record, exactly. But the only team that they've beaten that I would consider for the top 10 and they didn't make it, are the Broncos. So it's an inflated record based on the opponents, but they do deserve for us to point out how good their offense has been. First and points, first and rushing touchdowns,

and few as sacks, fourth in yards, fifth in passing. Like, we're gonna get a chance to see it as their schedule gets tougher as it goes, but they firmly deserve to be a top 10 team as of now. Coming in number six, you can make an argument for them to be lower because the vibes are awful, but I'm still giving a little bit of a benefit of the doubt. to the champs.

I don't understand how they could be a team that had 27 in the second half against the Rams and have, or 26 in the second half against the Rams and 27 second half points the rest of the year. Like we've seen them be great. Really? Yeah. They have scored 27 second half points outside of that game where they scored 26 in the second half. That's why.

It's an insane level of inconsistency from a team that's like, we like the running back, we like the quarterback, we in theory, like the coach, like the line. I don't get it, but I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt for one more week. Coming in at number five, Seattle is wildly impressive. You lose to Tampa by three. You got three road wins already. Your two losses are by a total of seven points, tied with Detroit for the best point differential in the NFC. What on there doesn't scream?

Like, offense, defense, point differential, the road record. I just continue to be impressed, and I was dead. wrong on Sam Darnold. This I'm sure there will be some disagreement on. I give you the benefit of doubt, Buffalo. If you have been good for multiple years, and there's a theme here at the top for multiple years, I'm going to drop you at a slower rate than the other teams.

But I cannot ignore that your four wins are against teams that have a total of three wins. So that part of it is undeniably not good, but I am choosing to believe that this is a special speed bump for Buffalo. Josh Allen will stop turning the ball over, and they'll get back to being the dominant offense that they've been.

Coming to number three, coming off the loss to the Chiefs, the Detroit Lions, similar thing. They have been dominant for three straight years on the offensive side of the ball. They ran into the Chiefs. That was a bad spot. Unbelievable opportunity for them against, coming up at number two.

Bucks Lions this week. Cannot wait for the game. Tampa, I don't fully understand, honestly, how the offense is doing this. No Mike Evans, no Chris Godwin, no Bucky Irving. A mecca-A-A-A-Bucca gets hurt in the game, and it doesn't matter. That's how they.

Because the should be favorite for MVP, The Bake Show, and narrative-wise, he absolutely would get it if it was voted on today. The guy is just unbelievable. All the one-score victories, all the respect in the world, and I cannot wait for Bucks Lions. It's the marquee game of this week. And then, yes, Nick, at number one,

I had like a moment of weakness. Three and three. I'm gonna call it. moment of weakness. Yeah, three and three. No doubt. Who on this list? Tears hasn't even come out yet. He's, the Chiefs are number one in herd hierarchy and number one Danny's top 10. Tears might be have them lower. I don't know. Listen, obviously they're three and three, but who two through ten would you pick to beat them tomorrow? The two teams that did beat them. But you would pick the

Chargers tomorrow to beat the Chiefs? Well, tomorrow they're a different team because they're injured. But they're not picked Jacksonville. If they played, they would. They played, yes, but I tend to not overreact to one game in the NFL for a team that has the body of work of the Chiefs. After which, oh, okay, I was

going to say after what you just said about the Bears. Oh, no, Ben Johnson's arrived. Ben Johnson's a, I agree, listen, it's a perfect top. I agree, look, there's no one definitive team you would say is playing way better than anybody. The Chiefs have the track record where you give them the benefit of the doubt,

and they've got a few really good wins. So it is what it is. I think the Seahawks, though, too high. Oh. You said they played Tampa Bay close. Everybody plays Tampa Bay Club. The Jets played Tampa Bay Club. I'm just, and I like Tampa Bay.

I'm not arguing where they're. I'm just saying they, the Seahawks are 0 and 2 or 1 in 2 at home. You got to protect home. If you're the fifth best team in the league, I think you got to protect home. better. One of those losses with the San Francisco, which even in the first game of the season, still has some injury issues even then. They still had, they had Purdy then. And he made heroics at the end of the game. But I'm just saying, I think you could argue any of those

teams below the Seahawks, I might take over there. I probably take the Rams over him. I definitely take the Packers over him. I get Philly with the bad vibes that there have. having. Indy, I'm not totally sold on yet. I probably would take your chargers over them, though. It's just like the Packers lose to Cleveland. That's worse than anything on Seattle's resume. Philly gets blown out by the Giants.

Seattle, you lose week one to San Francisco by four. You lose to Tampa by three. They've been wildly consistent. All right. Danny, so it seems like, as you said, one of your themes is you are incorporating into this list track record. Teams that year in, year out show you. who they are.

Yeah. Why does that not apply to the Chargers? Because their track record is fraudulence. Their track record is that year in year. Well, so hold on. So did Jacksonville, who's not on there,

who should be in that 10th spot. Jacksonville beat the Chiefs just like the Chargers did. Jacksonville, in addition to beating the Chiefs, beat San Francisco in Houston, with their losses coming to Bengals with Joe Burrow, so that's different than the Bengals now,

and Seattle Avenue number five. The Chargers beat Denver, who's not on your list along with Miami and Vegas, who wouldn't be on your list if it was 30, 25 teams deep. And their losses are to the Giants and to Washington. And again, it's like, well, I trust one quarterback more than the other. Should you? I don't know.

They played each other in a playoff game. One guy melted down. The other guy in the fourth-grade's playoff comeback in the NFL history, New York, he said in the MVP voting. Everybody knows this. Okay, you say that. Do you actually trust Trevor Lawrence more than Justin Herbert? No, I don't.

But it's not. No, no, no. But he's not number 10. The team is. And it's this weird math we do about the Chargers. If they're the 10th best team, then I guess they, the expectation is they'll overcome the injuries, that there's no more, there's no excuses. It's not the IR thing. Because I agree, a healthy Chargers team could have been really good.

But I don't think they are, I didn't think they were good this week against Miami. I thought that was an ugly, tough win. I don't think they're one of the 10 best teams in football. I don't think right now they're better than Jacksonville. Quentin Johnson will be back, Joe Alt will be back, Hampton will be back, Khalil Mack will be back. Like they are figuring out ways to win when a huge percentage of your team is decimated, makes me impressed with them.

Also the Dolphins. It was the Dolphins. It's okay. It's confusing. If the bills aren't good, the Patriots aren't good. So I need the bills to be good. I'm a little bit. Transitive property.

But I'm worried that the bills actually aren't good. So who is why? At that point it becomes who is good in the AFC? No, but I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm not. The only reason I'm worried about like the bill scored 41, 30, 30, and 31 twice. Those were against the teams, Ravens, Jets, Miami's and Saints with the 32nd, 28th, 29th, and 25th. Worst scoring defenses. So like, all right, and I hate to, we're too, it's such a small sample size.

It's hard to do. Who have you beaten already? That being said, the Colts remind me a little bit. Granted, it's just like an Indiana bias. Like, maybe the Colts are the Pacers. We're like, oh, and Daniel Jones, maybe you're Halliburton. And, like, everyone just kind of works together. And maybe the bills are Janus.

Like, Janus, unbelievable. Oh, Josh Allen, but the rest of your team is not there. Yeah, but Daniel Jones, what else? Halliburton, I'm not hearing that. But do you like Josh Allen as Janus? Yes. Okay, then we'll stick with that one. Like, Shao Allen needs a ring.

Shakir has 25. Who's the number one target? Shakir. You love Keon Col. Because Dionne Coleman's 40th in the league. I told you that was going to happen. Shakir's 25th in league and catches. They need the game of the

case. He's 45th in the league in in yards. So like outside of Josh Allen doing Superman stuff, if he's been Superman for the last five years though. 180 yards. But you need a little more balanced team perhaps. They definitely do it. A little Yonnessy, that's all.

Yeah, no. They're deep. He signed his brother. Does Josh Allen have a brother? Maybe. Put them on the team. Yeah, the Bucs signed both his brother. Yeah.

Coming up next. What did the law say about the bills? I've got all my notes here. I'm just going to say some. That was good stuff, Yonnes. Welcome back. We got Coach Manjini and Willie Colon out here. In Atlanta, Falcons with a huge upset in the,

how the heck do you figure out this league NFL over Josh Allen and the bills. 180 yards, two touchdowns, two turnovers for Allen. Bijon Robinson was an average. absolute monster. Sean McDermott trying to explain the loss away. Take a listen. I appreciate the way the guys battled to the end. At the end of the day, we've got to go back now in addition to getting guys healthier and we'll see how that goes, but figure out things on offense, defense, and special teams. We've got to start over and start from ground zero and figure this thing out and work our tails off to do it. So we were just talking

talking about this a bit in top 10 Tuesday. I tend to, if you've been good for a long time in the NFL, they say the year starts over, every team's new and all that. But like, if you've been good consistently, I tend to give you more of a benefit of the doubt and say, blip, a little bit of turbulence, this two-game stretch here for Buffalo. But did you think the bills got exposed last night by Atlanta coach? No, I don't think they got exposed. I think the problems that they've had all season long just got reinforced. So they were 28th against the wrong. going into the game, now the 30th against the run. Bejohn Robinson, what was it, 17 for or 19 for 170. He had the longest rush of the season. That's a problem. Drake London had 10 catches. He's amazing. Yeah, so he has 10 catches for 158 yards.

So they have two guys offensively that are able to light him up. And Buffalo hasn't figured out a way to effectively stop the run, which puts a ton of pressure on the offense and Josh to try to be super-mer. man every single game. And that's hard to do. And the other thing is when a team can run the ball, they can also keep you off the field. And now you're thinking, my possessions are limited. I've got to make a play on this possession. You start forcing it. And that's where the turnovers come, which he was so good with last season. Yeah, I thought the Falcon has laid out the blueprint on how to beat the Buffalo bills. And that's control on the edges, keeping Josh Allen in

pocket, having a heavy run game on deck, and take timely shots. And on top of what coach is saying, forced Josh Allen to play Hero Ball. I think the interesting that comes to me after the loss is it questions how good how really good are the Buffalo bills because you look at the losses they've had it's only against the Patriots

or Falcons, both for good teams but the wins are against Baltimore Dolphins, the Saints and the Jets. All those teams have horrible records so when you look at this team from the Sky of you, you're like, man, are the Buffalo Bills really that good? Right? Because they've only beat up on the little brother. They haven't been

able to step in the ring and beat up on contenders who are legit contenders. Like I consider the Falcons a contender in the NFC, right? And the Patriots are emerging. So overall, man, I just think right now the Buffalo bills, I'm shaking by who they are and what they can do well. So again, I give them the benefit of the doubt. Like, they haven't lost three games in a row, Buffalo, since Josh Allen's rookie year. So I expect them to beat Carolina.

Like maybe I'll have that guy on my face for that. But like, when you have the MVP of the league, a team that's been an A. championship games, a team that's won their division five years in a row, I just tend to believe that they will figure it out. Now, eventually all good things must end, right? Like, I understand that at some point their reign will be over, but Josh Allen had a huge turnover problem for a big percentage of his career. And then it went away, and he became the MVP of the league. And so I just, it feels like these last couple of games where he started turning the ball over again, I will be very surprised if five weeks from now we're still talking about Josh Allen turnovers.

Yeah. Now, thankfully, last game, the first turnover didn't lead to points. And really the second turnover, they're down by 10. So it's like I think it was a minute and nine seconds left. So they would have scored a touchdown still had to get an onside kick. So putting those into context that not as bad as some of his turnover have been historically. And with playing Carolina, Carolina is, depends which team shows up. Because they can be really good and really.

They won 30 to zero against Atlanta, who just beat Buffalo. Yeah, and then they got blown out by New England. So whichever Panthers team shows up, Buffalo could have their hands full there. But to your MVP point, what showed last night is that the Buffalo Bills can't continue to ride Josh Allen's cape, right? They need more. I understand Joshua Palmer was out, Delton Kincaid. Dalton Kincaid has been down. But it seems like they need more to be that offense, that like that average 30 points game last year.

I'm waiting for that office to show up. Yeah, we saw it at week one, right? We against Baltimore. We've seen their offense early. And I just, I don't know, I'm watching that game and like, man, Josh Allen's taking a lot of sacks. When's the last time Josh Allen took four sacks in a game? Week one of 2023.

Oh, wow. Like it was just, it was just an, it was a weird game. I'd imagine if you're a Buffalo Bills fan watching that, you're like, wait. What team is this? Atlanta was coming off the buy, so they didn't have the extra week to prepare. So I think that helps. They are a team that's a heavy pressure team where, where, where the volume of pressure from them versus other teams significantly more.

So I would imagine they probably had a pretty good plan going into it, brought multiple blitzes that they were able to practice over two weeks. A little bit of the benefit of the doubt on that as well. But to Danny's point, their brand, the Buffalo Bills brand is dominating the trenches. On both sides, they got bullied last night. That's not something we used to see. Yeah, they want to play from out in front because their strength is obviously the offensive side of the ball. Let's go to an obvious now AFC contender, Kansas City.

Mahomes and the Chiefs, well, they beat the Lions, 30 to 17, and they bullied the bullies, and then bullying was the talk after the game. It was weird. Four touchdowns from Mahomes, fastest quarterback to throw for 300 yards. Here's Mahomes on just another accomplishment for himself. It's extremely cool. I mean, I've been blessed. I always say it, and I mean it, like, I've been blessed.

I drafted here in Kansas City, a great community, great ownership, and then getting one of the best football coaches of all time and some of the greatest players of all time around me. And so it makes my job be a lot easier when I'm going to throw to some great ones. And let's continue it. Let's have some fun. And we've got a long career ahead. And we'll see how we can get to. So a lot of the theory about why the light show, as this show has deemed it, went away.

It was like, oh, they lost Tyree Kill. But also, Patrick Mahomes was getting hit a lot. Like last year, they played four different guys at left tackle. And so far this year, they were trying to figure it out with Simmons, who didn't play in this game, To Moore's credit, the kid they brought over from San Francisco. But the last three weeks, Mahomes hasn't been hit. Part of it is Xavier Worthy coming back, no doubt. Part of it is the opponents, all that.

But if Patrick Mahomes can stand in that pocket and trust that the five guys in front of him are not going to put him on his back, he's going to pick you apart. And I thought that's what we saw Detroit make Lamar Jackson and that Ravens offense look confused and contained him and say it made him like average. And so that same team came into Arrowhead and the Chiefs were like, oh, no, we'll pick you apart and it won't matter. And I feel like it's because even though Simmons wasn't playing in the game, he felt like I trust the guys in front of me.

And that's been the difference for the Chiefs the last few weeks. Yeah, I do believe so. I think protection helps. But I also think one of the things when we talk about Patrick Mahomes from an elite level, he's been able to, I think, slow himself down and rely on what's around him, right? I think that's what good quarterbacks are able to do. They use the pieces around them and they elevate them. And I think that's what we've been able to see.

I think if you used to answer the question right here, are they a scary team? To me, they're not. To me, they're inconsistent because they lost to the Jags last week, right? And then they show up and they knuckle up against the Lions. What concerns me about the Chiefs moving forward is their defense because it's just spotty, right? And when you talk about the third quarter against the Lions, you watch Jared Goff go eight for eight and night through that defense and scored touchdown with San LaPorte. Then the fourth quarter, the defense stood up and shut them down. So I'm not worried about the office.

Defensively is what makes me say, are they scary? Do they travel well? Can they get it done? The thing that concerns me about this team is a week ago, we're talking about the penalties. There's 13 penalties. So now they clean it up this week.

They have no penalties. And I know some people felt like that that was overkill on the officials part, that fact that they could go through a whole thing. Well, we know what happens at home with the Chiefs. Oh, stop. It's a kind. It's going on for some time. But it's the no penalties, no turnovers. But a week ago, we're talking about a very different.

different team. So to be scary, there needs to be a level of consistency that we really haven't seen from Kansas City this year. And Kansas City last year, as many close games as they won and people had concerns about that, they found ways to win and they found a lot of different ways to win and they didn't make mistakes that hurt them, which is not where they've been this season so far. So they're trending in the right direction in terms of protection. Have they solve that problem. I'm not convinced they've solved that problem. Let me just say, and this is a whole other topic onto itself, but if the chiefs are inconsistent, who is consistent? Oh, the bucks. The bucks? Okay. Okay, but I mean, all a bunch of, probably a scarier team right now.

100%. I mean, all those one score wins, all those injuries. But you know what you're getting. Okay. On both sides of the ball. Okay. Fair enough. Fine. That's one. There you go. There's just not many teams. Anyone could argue to choose ahead of them. But coming up next, Are the Eagles getting themselves back on track? They're at least talking about it. We'll see if they can do it. Coming up. All right, time now for a little edition of

He Said We Said. Sometimes what they say isn't what they mean. You've heard of coach speak. You've heard of cliches. Well, we've got a coach. We've got a player. And we've got me, a media guy. It's Matt.

So we're going to play, He said, and tell you what he means. First up, Baker Mayfield heard some MVP chance. Here's what he said about. When you had that epic run into chance, MVP start rating it to make you feel. It's week six, so got a big one next week. So it's awesome to have the support. Don't get me wrong.

But we're just getting started. What he means is he knows how popular he is and he does not need to campaign for himself. The fans are going to be chanting MVP and the media loves a story. We build you up.

We tear you down just so we can build you back up again. Plenty of us TV talking heads are going to be doing the campaigning for Baker Mayfield because it would be an amazing story. No, the reality is he's been built up in the past. He's gone through that. And then he got broken down. He had to go to Carolina. Then he went out to L.A. And then he finally gets his opportunity. And as difficult as that was for him, that's changed everything. And that changed his perspective. And now that he's playing with some backup guys, I think he enjoys that that aspect of it. He enjoys that. He enjoys that those guys are getting an opportunity. And this is a much more humble, focused Baker Mayfield than when he first came in the league.

And that, to me, is what is going to continue to drive them to be successful. Yeah, I think Baker realized he's becoming a folk hero in Tampa. The bucks are five and one, and they're doing it short-handed, depleted wide receiver room, no running backs, reshuffled office line, but yet they're ranked third on office. The defense is ferocious. They tackle and fight all four quarters. And I think right now what you're seeing on Buck's tape is chemistry and character. And he's the main, he's the league character.

So I love it. I actually want Cocky Baker. I actually want Baker to show up. Remember how Fitzpatrick showed him with the chains and the glasses? That's what I'm waiting for. So I want Baker to lean into it. The past is the past. Show up, Baker.

I think he's cocky, but he's cocky and humble. Yeah. He's got both. Can you be cocky and humble? He's confident. He's confident as opposed to cocky. Sounds like a politician. I'd rather be like a cocky.

I want to talky and. I agree. Next up, here's the head coach of the Eagles, Nick Siriani. You know, anytime we're in a, in a, you know, a streak where we are right now, having lost two games in a row, we're not ever here to assign blame. We're here to find solutions. And that's what this, this whole weekend's about how do we, you know, how do we play, how do we put the guys in positions to be more physical? He's not here to assign blame. So I'll do it because his players are hinting at it. Jalen Hertz is talking about chefs,

guys have players meetings in the parking lot. I've just been around long enough to know. Kevin Petulow is not long for being the play caller if they don't figure it out. I'm not saying this week or even maybe next week. But like, you can't be this talented, this healthy, and this bad on offense for this long with those Super Bowl expectations.

So he might not be publicly assigning blame, but don't worry. There will be changes coming soon. Yeah, and I'm going to point the finger at the defense. and Fingfango's defense. I understand they don't have a pass rush and Jalen Carter's hurt and they're struggling to hold up in the secondary

but that's mostly because they blitz and they're out of place on the back end. So what you're watching right now is this defense really not living up to their identity. Russian 4 playing solid, cover 2 or playing man.

And what's disturbing about it is, you know, they're horrible in the Red Soin and they struggle on third down. And I think that's what's not helping this offense. They feel like they have to carry the load because the defense is insufficient.

If anybody's talking, like that in the building, then that organization is sick. And that's a sign of sick organizations is when, when you go through difficult things and you start pointing fingers at other people and, and organizations that are healthy and players and coaches that truly understand how they're going to dig out of a hole, it's about what can I do better? What can I do to help this team win as opposed to, hey, I'm good. He needs to pick it up.

Next time he said, we said, let's check in with walking sound bite Jim Harbaugh on Justin Herbert's game saving play. That play would be burned in my mind until they throw dirt over top of me. Justin Herbert back to throw. Defender wrapped around him. He's able to just Mighty Manit and

shake it off and hit Lab McConkey. Mighty Manit. Not a superhero. He changes hands on his play. I love listening to Jim Harbaugh. He's like the right kind of crazy person for a football coach. The only thing is, as a known Justin Herbert guys, that's the sickest Justin Herbert play since the last sick Justin Herbert play. Do you remember the game? The game tying touchdown against Denver was like three weeks ago.

How like I, this play is ridiculous. That play is impossible. So if he's thinking about that play when there's dirt on top of him, he's going to have like a whole highlight real coach. Yeah, nobody loves Justin Herbert more than maybe Justin Herbert family than Jim. Harwa and he believes, no, no, you're not even close to where Jim Harbaugh has. And I think that confidence is contagious. It not only helps Justin Herbert, but it helps all the guys around him believe in Justin Herbert as well to have someone with not only his background as a head coach, but as a

quarterback to believe in him that deeply. And he made a sick play and Harbaugh believed he could do it. And now he makes another one. And to me, it's all part of building him up. And then he's rewarding that confidence. Yeah, nobody fans, boys, harder than Harbour or Danny Park. Like, I just, I mean, I give you the crown. But the question I have is why are the charges in Justin Herbert always in this position, right?

That's the problem. Like, he's an elite quarterback. He's supposed to make these plays. But right now, he's not the closer on the team. Dicker the kicker is. That's the problem. On top of that, they're ranked 32nd in the Red Zone. Their money going on third down, but 30 second in Red Zone, this is why they find themselves

trying to have a Herculean-type task at the end of game. So, yeah, this is good, but if they want to be them in the playoffs, they got to fix this. Next up, Kirby Joseph on Patrick Mahomes. A difficult is it against Mahomes when you got a shit. It ain't hard at all, but don't even say it's difficult. It's been shit in hard. That is the lament of the loser. It's saying it's not hard defending Patrick Mahomes when he put up 30 on you.

You know what wasn't hard? Patrick Mahomes facing the lion's defense. That's a terrible look for Kirby Jones. No, it ain't. If I'm a coach, I want my team to be salty. I'm a fan of sore losers. I'm a soul losing myself. I'm okay with fighting at the end of the games.

I'm okay with a bad attitude because that shows passing and pride. I don't want my team to ever walk over the field playing against a worthy opponent and feel like, all right, we lost, let's go on to Detroit. I want my team to feel salty quite. You know how it is at the end of a loss coach. When you suffer a bad loss, especially you lost where you felt like, man, we got knocked around. What happens on the bus ride home? It's quiet. Nobody's speaking. Nobody's making eye contact because from an individual standpoint, you're like, man, we got chin check today and we lost.

So I'm okay with that type of attitude. You just don't want it to linger. You want these guys to soak for 48 hours and say, okay, that was that. Let's move on the next week. But I'm okay with all that. That doesn't bother me at all. Yeah, I want guys to be a sore loser too, but I also want to be a realistic loser. And when you give 257 yards, and what was it, three passing touchdowns, another? stramble touchdown. If you think that's not hard, what's it going to be like when someone does bring something hard? If that's the type of production.

But that's my point, coach. When you know you're capable of doing better and you don't do better and you walk up to feel like nothing happened, that's a problem. I want the emotions to speak. As you know, you let one go and we got our butts kicked.

I want those emotions to show. Yeah, I do too, but acknowledge you let one go, not, hey, they weren't anything. Listen, it, I get what you. where you're coming from, and I'm not saying you have to, like, have reverence for Patrick Bahomes, but I mean, he's Patrick Mahomes. No, he's been playing elite.

He's been funny good. But my point is from a Detroit Lions standpoint, they've been beating people up since week two. Packers obviously got a week. Yeah, they had one four straight coming in. Right. So this game, you know you was supposed to show up and get it done. You was a no show in the fourth quarter. The last third down for the first down for the Lions was came in the third quarter.

Fourth quarter, they got shut out. So both sides, I got their butts kick. And fighting after the game. all game to hit someone. You had all game to hit someone. You don't need to eat something after. It means. It means more. It means more after the game. It means. It means all right. Day off. You're going to miss that game against Tampa. Man, it's been too long since we talked about Caleb Williams. It'd been like 20-something. So we're going to get back into it. Big statement for him against Jaden Daniels last night. Last night, the big subplot of the game, Caleb v. Jada, number one and number two in their respective draft classes. Jaden Daniels got the win last year in the Hail Mary. situation, Caleb Williams, the last laugh last night. And so far this year, listen, neither one of them, completion percentage is where you want it. Touchdown the interception ratio in favor of Caleb, pass-a-rating very similar, really similar across the board. And, you know, the question is, did Caleb validate his selection in the draft? Obviously, Washington's thrilled with Jaden. I think

the Patriots are thrilled with Drake May. And I would argue the bears are thrilled with Caleb Williams and they absolutely believe that they got the right guy and that he'll be their quarterback for the next 10 years. So I don't think he needed one game to validate that selection. Yeah, I don't think he necessarily validated it. And to me, Jaden's in a different category because of what he did last year. And those championship game is a rookie. And those stats are pretty similar. But just if we can quickly, him versus Drake May this year. And if anything, look at the Drake May's numbers versus Caleb's numbers. Drake's stronger in every single one. Drake's been awesome. I think Drake is ahead of him. I think Caleb, everybody.

He's hoping he's going to continue to progress and there's positive signs. But to me, it's still Jaden and Drake right now are clear favorites. Yeah, I don't think he did. It's crazy because I was waiting to see some Caleb magic last night, especially in crucial situations. We didn't get that. I mean, Jaden Daniels doesn't fumble football. I mean, we're talking about Caleb right now.

Well, if Caleb fumbled the football, we would definitely be talking about how Caleb came up through the big moment. It's a case to catch the football. I mean, it's a different story as well. Or if Caleb threw an interception and then it was smiling on the sideline like Jaden Daniels, the body language police would be all out for Caleb Williams. Yeah, I don't know. I think it was a modest effort. It was solid.

But nevertheless, man, I still need to see more at Caleb. Yeah, listen, I think we all do. It's a very talented class, and I think we will be talking about those three guys and Pennix and Bo Nix and JJ for the next 10-plus years. We'll be back tomorrow. Thanks for hanging out. First things first.