First Things First - Jets trade Sauce Gardner & Quinnen Williams, Cardinals beat Cowboys, Mahomes Mountain

Episode Date: November 5, 2025

(0:00) Jets trade Sauce Gardner & Quinnen Williams, Cardinals beat Cowboys (26:45) Brou’s MVP Ballot, Should the 49ers stick with Mac Jones over Brock Purdy? (40:32) Can Quinnen Williams save the Cowboys’ season? (46:57) Mahomes Mountain (01:05:13) Like the Colts trading for Sauce Gardner?  (01:21:29) Chiefs and Bills don’t make moves at trade deadline (01:28:48) Cowboys buyers at deadline, Danny’s Top 10 Teams (01:49:44) Who won the Sauce Gardner and Quinnen Williams trades?  (02:01:20) Eagles get Jaelan Phillips, Seahawks get Rashid Shaheed (02:10:14) Who won the trade deadline? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Live from New York. It's a show that had a full rundown and then ripped it up and pulled away. Throw it out the window. Because people are out here making moves. Including Jerry. One more hour until the trade deadline is officially done. Then maybe some stuff will trickle in. KW.

Are you getting breaking trade news? Let me answer for you. I never have my phone out. But you could be getting breaking trade news. It might be. Is it Diane Rusini? She said she'd tell you first. It might be the bill that I owe.

I'm not sure. But first hour of first things first. Also, I don't know how to turn off the ringer on my phone. Quinn and Williams headed to Dallas from New York. Is he going to save the Cowboys season? That seems like a lot, but maybe. Meanwhile, sauce Gardner headed to Indianapolis. Greg Jennings is thrilled.

And the Colts seem like they're going for it. They are going for it. And finally, just an absolutely amazing. day on the top of Mahomes Mountain. I don't want to give it away. Don't give anything away. I'm not giving it away. But the mountain is known for fairness.

It's shocking. Well, listen, Patrick was at the top. He had the first game of his entire career where he completely less than 50% of his passes. Got to drop. So he has to drop. So the question is, who takes his spot? I just can't.

A lot of good candidates. Josh Allen's a candidate. It's fantastic. I've got to vote, but. A lot of good. 59 minutes. Right now, we are digging into the moves that the Cowboys are making. Quinn and Williams coming over from the Jets to shore up that poorest defense that got exposed last night. Nick, I love this deal because I said flatly, Quinn and Williams is good,

and the Cowboys need good players, but you didn't love it as much. Why? No, I think this is insanity by Dallas. Really? Totally insane. They gave up potentially 90% for Quinn and Williams of what they got for Micah Parsons. And those players are not in the same stratosphere as far as impact on your team. That's first of all. Second of all, Jerry told Stephen A. yesterday this trade was in the works already.

The major move was coming. that's about as bad a process imaginable, not because by telling Stephen A, but what it means is his decision was not at all impacted by the fact that they lost again last night, that they were even further from the postseason after last night, that the second round pick they're giving away this year got even better last night.

And they're not a detackle away from contention. The Cowboys are right now, Philly, Tampa, the Rams, Seattle, Green Bay, Detroit, Sanford, Cisco or the seven playoff teams. We all agree they're better than Dallas. The teams in their stratosphere, Chicago, Carolina, and Arizona have all played them and beat Dallas. And so I am confident they are better than the Giants and they are better than the Saints. I don't know that they're better than Minnesota who they'll play. Atlanta, who they don't play. Washington's in a weird boat. Their hands full with the Giants. Right. Exactly. And if we heard today that

I want to pick, the Atlanta Falcons had made this trade, we would say, with respect, and they have a better record than Dallas, and an easier path of playoffs, where do they think they're going? And so when you look at Brew what the Cowboys gave up for Quinnon

compared to what they got for Micah Parsons, they traded away, or they acquired a player, a D-Tackle in Kenny Clark, they traded away. a D-Tackling Mazi Smith, younger, not nearly as good, former first round pick. Fine. Got a first, trade it away a second. And then in 2027, got a first, and this is important, it's not on that graphic.

The pick they're trading away in 2027 is the better of the two firsts they have that year. So if one team, say the Cowboys are awesome in a year or the Packers are awesome, either way, but one of them, quarterback injury something, top 10 pick, that's the pick that's the pick that goes away. I don't understand why Dallas is acting like they are contenders when they are so far from. But don't you think Quinn and Williams, because I'm not as down on it as you,

this is not just for this season. I think Jerry probably thinks that they think him and Logan Wilson, remember they got him, that those two, they obviously make them better defensively, but I agree that doesn't solve all their problems, all right?

But Quinn and Williams is 27. Logan's kind of a young guy too. So I think I like the I like getting Williams like he is he is not Micah Parsons but he is a good player level defensive tackle like last three pro bowls I think he's made so he's a very good player so I like this move by the Cowboys obviously they did give up a lot. I would have preferred to just you know what keep Micah but that being the case that he's gone I like I like I like this one. I feel like we're stuck on like it's like if you're we talked about the Mavs.

Like, you should never get up Luca. Like, they did. No, but now they're trying to get better. Right, right. We're like that narrative. No, no, no, hold on. But here's why it's totally fair to be stuck on it. Just like with the Mavs, when they traded Luca, they were like, we're all about defense.

If they then traded the return they got for Luca for Trey Young, you'd be like, wait, what are you talking about? When the Cowboys traded Micah, Jerry told everyone who'd listen, we're going to get four players out of this. No, you're not. You're getting Quinn and Williams. You're getting a worse, older, front seven defensive player. That's what you're getting. He's worse, but he's still excellent. He's worse than Micah.

And you got the guy from Green Bank. Kenny Clark. But as far as the adding players, you traded away Mazzie Smith in this. Again, was a first round pick that didn't work out. But I just, there is, and this is where you and I are very different on this. And I know I can be frustrating, at least to you, I hope not to the audience, on trade stuff. You heard this trade, and this isn't me taking a shot because I think this how the audience works as well,

and before you heard the return, you're like, that's awesome for Dallas. And I just objectively was like, how can you possibly have an opinion on this board? The Dallas has, like, every day we come on the show, it's like, wow, the Dallas defense is terrible. What are they going to do? They did something.

I'm more with Wilde's on it. You just mentioned Mazzie Smith, a failed draft pick. There's no guarantee these other picks don't fail. So they're getting a proven commodity. and Quentin Williams, who is still relatively young. The logic of trading Micah was we need a surplus of people. That's what Jerry told us. Jerry said we're going to be able to get four players out of this.

And what I'm telling you is they just traded almost all of their return for Micah for one player who is one to D&, one to D tackle. Quinnon is older and Quinnon is not as good. It's bananas process. And so I think if you want me to be positive, not you, but I think this is a great job by the Jets. The Jets recognized that they need to reboot. I just think this is, I would have been squeamish at paying this as the Chiefs who are trying to, who can win the Super Bowl right now. I think it is insane for a team that currently has, is a half game out of having a top 10 pick of the

draft acting like they're making win now moves we're about talking about the cults the cults right or wrong believe we can win the super bowl this year i don't get the cowboys i don't understand the process i just think it's for i mean look i agree with you i think jerry thinks it's now but i don't think this is a bad move for the future either with quinnon because quinin is a proven commodity like he's a really good player he's not micah like i said but he's a really good player. So you got kind of a cornerstone type defensive player for the future, not just this season.

Before we move on, can I say, do you guys think this is a good move for the Jets? Of course. I think the Jets, the Jets aren't even where the Cowboys are. So I guess that's kind of my point. Because you're saying, of course, because the Jets, you,

The Jets are in full care down. The Jets don't have a quarterback. At least Cowboys got a quarterback in an office. And what I'm saying is, the Cowboys are closer to the Jets neighborhood than the Eagles neighborhood right now. That's the point I'm making. They are closer to we need to reboot an entire side of our team.

Maybe the Jets need to reboot both sides of their team. But the Cowboys need to reboot the entirety of the defense. The Cowboys need to is what I was trying to say. And they are making moves as if they are close. Because if you love it for the, that's what's your point. If you love it for the Jets and love it for the Cowboys, I think the Jets and Cowboys are not swimming in the exact same lane, but similar lanes. That's all. Yeah, I see that rationale. Well, I know the Cowboys are good at one thing. They weren't good yesterday at scoring, but if you short up the defense a little bit, perhaps you can make a run. And I guess the Jets and Cowboys, I think, Josh, tell me if I'm right, had the same record last year.

and this year the Jets have one win and the Cowboys have three. But last year was due to injuries for the Cowboys. Right. And this year, their quarterback's fully healthy. And he's playing great. But what do you want the Cowboys to do? Nothing? I want the Cowboys to have a plan.

And if the plan, when you traded Micah, it was an acknowledgement, we need a bunch of players, cost-controlled good players. To then, two months later, turn the boat in the exact opposite direction and say, you know what, we really miss an impactful front seven defensive player. So all the extra equity we had from trading mica we're going to use on an older, lesser player is to me, it's insane process. I don't know if the Micah stuff, and again, I think that we've talked to ourselves in circle here,

how much of it was team fit, how much of it was money. I don't think it's just a player for player. A lot of it was personal. How much of it is just vibe-wise? What's Dax feeling? He got mad. Okay, we're moving on to the other big Jets trade, which has Sauce Gardner leaving New York and going to Indianapolis.

Now, this is two first round picks and A.D. Mitchell. Here's Soss's reaction. New York, it's been real and a green heart. Here's the numbers on the Colts. I'm out. Their offense has been excellent. The defense, pretty good. They're stopping the run, can't stop the pass.

So they got Sauce Gardner. This made sense to me. Brew, your reaction. I do like this for both teams. I think, again, smart by the Jets. They're not going anywhere, rebuild. And Indies, they did need some help with rushing a passer, but a huge knee was in the defensive backfield.

And Sauce Gardner, who hasn't had a great season, I think he's going to play much better in Indianapolis. I think there's obviously fewer distractions. and now you're going to a team that has that's going to make the playoffs at least and has a chance to get to the Super Bowl they believe. So I think he's going to play much better than he has. I like their

mentality of yo, we're going for it. And we got the running back. We got the offense. Let's strengthen the defense. Let's go for it. All that said, thank you. The question remains Danny Dimes. Of course. That question remains.

Now, I will give him this. He did play well in a playoff game. One of his two, he played really well. So we don't know that he'll melt. But going into the playoffs, the defense can be great. Taylor can be great. They can be scoring points. But we all are going to say, what is Daniel Jones going to do?

But it's great move, though. This is, so what is it? I think this is an a plus job by the Jets. I don't know if Sauce Gardner is just going to, instantly recapture the player he was year one and year two. Because last year he wasn't that good and this year hasn't been that good. Now, he was a blue chip prospect. He was so good his first two years.

He hasn't suffered some like, oh, you know, post-injury. He's a different. So I still, I am, I still think he's an excellent player. I can't say I know he's an excellent player. But I think he's really, really good. I think if you're the Jets, this is brilliant. and recognizing that, first of all, we hired a defensive coach. The idea is he can maybe do a little more with less,

and we need to retool so much, and we need to have a lot of optionality in this year's draft and next year's draft. And I look at A.D. Mitchell as more than a throw-in. A.D. Mitchell, he's only famous because he dropped the ball against the Rams. But he was a top. He was a top 60 pick one year ago, And so he has been underwhelming, but the cults kind of have a deep receiving core.

They don't have like an A-plus player, but they have a deep receiving core he couldn't quite break through on. So I think for the Jets, this is great. I think for Daniel Jones' future employment, this is unbelievable. Because this is the strongest vote of confidence a player can receive because what the Colts are saying is we're not going to be in the quarterback. market anytime soon. Every team that has made a move like this has believed rightly or wrongly, very often wrongly, we are set at quarterback. Here are the last decade of guys to go for multiple first round picks.

2018, the Bears traded two firsts for Khalil Mack. That was a year after they spent the number two pick on Mitch Trubisky. They're like, we are set there. The Texans traded two first for Laramie Tunsel. That was two years after they had traded for Deshawn Wals. We're set there. The Rams traded two first for Jalen Ramsey. That was months removed from going to a Super Bowl with Jared Gough.

They thought they were set there. They ended up not being, but they thought they were. Worked out. The Seahawks traded two first for Jamal Adams in one of the worst trades that franchise ever made, but they had rust. They thought we're set there long term. Obviously, the Packers doing with Micah believed we're set there. Nobody does this if they don't think, if they think, oh, man, but we might need

to draft a quarterback soon. And so this is a huge vote of competence in Daniel Jones, which is why I think this is just an insane gamble by the Colts. Because it would not, as much as you are rooting for Daniel Jones, it would not shock any of us if the Colts next year at the trade deadline are 3 and 6. It wouldn't shock a single, and Daniel Jones, We are thinking about, man, remember those hot couple months like that? I'm not saying you're predicting it.

But it would not stun you if that's the case. And the cults are putting massive equity in the idea, no, that's not going to happen. He is just going to be solid. And I think that is a huge risk. But they've also been a solid team even without a good quarterback. Correct. So I don't think, like I think that's how they're looking at it. We're not going to be at the top of the draft.

We're not going to bottom out. We'll get right. Where we'll get some blue chip prospect, which obviously those don't always pan out either. But I think that's what they're thinking too. When will Daniel Jones earn your faith? So Baker, 100% you believe in Baker. This time next year. So is Sam Darnold on that?

Sam Darnold. At this moment, Sam Darnold's just a good quarterback. Okay. That's what I think they think Daniel D. What if he had a great, what if Jones had a great playoff run? into the AFC championship game and they lose there. Oh, yeah. Okay, so then he could earn it earlier.

But if it goes, if he is just really good the rest of the year, they make the playoffs and he has a nondescript. You know what I mean? Not even the Darnold playoff game. Because the Darnold playoff game set him back. Yes. But if he's just fine, they draw the Chiefs in round one and he plays fine, but they lose. that I wouldn't.

And then next year the Colts are good again. I'm like, oh, he's just good. You know, he's just good. Let's call it what it is. I think 14 touchdown, six interceptions. That's solid, but it's not lighten the world on fire either. Well, and the offense is moving. The running back is, you know, but.

And he's been good throwing for a lot of yards, but he's never thrown for a ton of touchdown. And that's my other concern for him, because when you were talking yesterday about how he had his rookie year, he was really good. But then that year. with Dable when they made the playoffs, he had 15 touchdowns passing that year. And so Baker had two awesome years in Cleveland. Darnold never had it, but Darnold was such a blue-chip prospect. He was in a different category than Daniel Jones, at least to me, where there, Donald was considered a guy coming out of high school. We were like, he's going to be a top

five pick, and Jones kind of took the world by storm, so to speak. This is just a massive vote of confidence in the in Daniel Jones and it is also a vote of confidence in sauce like I don't I don't know about you guys I don't right now this moment view sauce the way I view Jalen Ramsey coming out of Jacksonville and Jalen Ramsey it felt like every year was the best corner in football and sauce and sauce is a few years ago you felt that way about sauce right sauce are so dysfunctional it's hard to get it read on who's great and who's but he was great they well That's the problem. He was able to overcome that.

The culture wore him down. Yeah, maybe. The Colts host the Falcons in Germany on Sunday morning. Colts host the Falts. So Sauce has to play two Europe games. Yeah. The Jets played a European game. Yeah, they already played.

Yeah. Yeah. So it's a home game for the Colts, but it's in Germany. All right, we're going back to Monday night. Cowboys now 3, 5 and 1 after losing at home to the Cardinals, defense porous, what they tried to fix it today. Offense ineffective, Brew. They didn't score an offensive touchdown until the fourth quarter.

Here's DAC. Disappointing, very frustrating. Knowing that you're better than that and going out there and not putting a performance close to your standard or even the expectations or what you thought you could do and expect it to do against this team and credit to those guys. That's the beauty of the NFL. Like games, play, stats, none of that's done on paper. You've got to go out there and you've got to earn it that night with everything taken into count. They kicked our ass and both sides of the ball.

All right, here are the grades so far. The tea really threw things. That was Hub's idea. What was the tea for? What was the tea for? T's because that's what they are. They might actually be a tomato can again. I'm not sure.

They keep bouncing back and forth between teas and tomato. I like the T's. I like when you switch it up a little. Okay. All right. But it screws up the GPA. Well, I got to be honest.

It makes it different. Well, look. Okay. No build up. No preamble. No drama. No suspense. None of that.

Anybody with eyes could see. F game. I wish my boys were here to sing about it. All right. They're on a world tour or something like that. Wow. We helped them blow up. But F for fraudulent.

Oh. Enough about the great offense. All right? Because if you take out the two horrible clubs from New York and my Packers, who didn't show up that day, the Cowboys have averaged 24 points a game in their other six games. Well, I don't think you can take out the Packer game, Brew. Even with the game, it might be 20. I mean, no, I'm putting it in there. They got fortunate that the Packers took them lightly.

Yesterday against a solid defense, not great. Solid, good. They put up 10 points when you are fighting theoretically for a playoff spot. 10 points of offense, unacceptable. F for foolishness. Oh, there's several. I like it. That's why we got right to it.

Gotcha. Enough with the DAC is playing as well as any quarterback in the league. Boy, if they had a defense, he might be the MVP. No, he wouldn't. Last two games, one touch. touchdown, three interceptions, two L's, and a pass a rating in the 60s. All right, I like that. He's a good player, well spoken at the podium.

But enough of the, is he going to be the one to crack the top five and join Lamar and Mahomes and company? No, he's not. F for foolishness, blacko. And now finally an F for full stop. Oh. Full stop on the Brian Schottenheimer's, the next Vicks Lombardi. I mean, look, I mean, people, the Shottie's done a nice job.

He's done a great job. Shottie, isn't it? I mean, that shows you how low the expectations were. You don't get them up every week to play. Sometimes they're up, sometimes they're down. We have no idea who's going to show up. All right, I like Shottie. People are saying that.

He's a night. That's what I'm saying, people. It's too much. He's been a nice little higher. Okay, he's been better than we expected. It's been cute. Yeah. Some weeks, and some weeks it's been very ugly.

They are Nick, and I know you don't like this because I threw it out at the chief study yesterday. Oh, here we go. Their record against 20. They're 04 and 1 against winning teams. I mean, if you could play a bunch of tomato cans every week, maybe you get close to the playoffs, but you can't. So you're an F team. Excellent. All right.

First of all, for the audience. If you couldn't tell, Brew thought we were leading the show with that and really had a lot of energy for it. It wasn't your typical. A3, and I loved it, Brew.

I was enraptured by it. Their season's officially over. Which is why that colored my feelings on the Quentin Williams trade so much. I just don't. You're not that high on Quentin, no. No, I think he's good.

A few years ago, people thought he was like. I don't think he's good as, I don't think he's as good as Jeffrey Simmons. I don't think, like, here's my, here's my problem. And then I'll get back to this. Don't you, a few years ago, people were looking at him like. No, right, when he was playing really well. Yes, but I guess my problem is this.

Sauce Gardner's the best corner in football. Quintill is one of the best he tackles. The Jets' defense, Aaron Glenn's going to be a good defensive coach. The Jets defense stinks. It's like, well, I don't know. Just that culture out there. It's terrible. But as bad as the culture was, when Quinnon and Sauce were playing at all pro levels, the defense was really good.

Won seven games with Zach Wilson. People told me all about that. And so that's... You know what? What? I got to give him his props. Who? Robert Salah.

Okay, yeah. Big Bob Salah, it did a great job. So, all right, but now on the Cowboys. No, their season's over, and it didn't need to be. Like, this is such a missed opportunity for Dallas. And I went through the teams. So therein, I think it's fair to say, the weakest division in football. Given what's happened to Washington, it's just the Eagles.

There's no other division in the league where it's just one team. The South. The Panthers be the second best team in that division. Like they're five and four. The Falcons have a better record than them. That's two teams not counting the bucks. Like they are, and if you went the AFC South, the Jags are legit. I think the Texans are as because the Cowboys.

So they had an opportunity here. And when you look at the seven teams in the NFC playoffs are good teams. Philly, Tampa, the Rams, Seattle, Green Bay, Detroit, San Francisco. Then there's like the teams fighting in the playoffs, Chicago, Carolina, and Arizona who all beat them. The teams in the Cowboys neighborhood, Minnesota, Atlanta, Washington, and then I would include the Giants in New Orleans. You know what? Like those are the bottom five.

five teams. Those other five teams either have rookie or young quarterbacks or quarterback problems. Minnesota has a first year starter who got hurt. Atlanta has a second year quarterback who's bit was hurt during the year and they lost a game because of it. Washington's quarterback has been hurt twice. The Giants is a rookie. New Orleans has no idea who their quarterback is and they play different guys. The Cowboys have Dak Prescott, who again, maybe Burry wasn't the MVP, But prior to two weeks ago had been playing at a very high level. And I thought yesterday, I'm not going to kill them on the pick. The pick was at the very end of the game.

But they only scored 10 points to your point. To be in that position with a healthy quarterback that is a veteran in good shouldn't happen. It's not happening to any other team in the league. And so I just think it's a disaster for them. Bruce Ballot next. And we're going to see if any more trades come down the pipeline. I can't wait to see Bruce Ballot. It's next on FS1.

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Dot fox slash U.S. vets. Welcome back to first things first, six and two Rams hosting the six and three 49. Uh-oh. Sunday. Mack Jones, five and two as a starter, but his performance does not affect Brock's status as a starter. According to Kyle Shanahan, take a listen. I mean, this is Brock's team with Brock's good to go and everything and play and can play like Brock. There's no decision to be made. It's just nice as we go through this with Brock. The uncertainty of the toe, it is cool to have someone playing as good as

Mac is. Okay, no big deal. Five and two. The past rain 93, He's had three great games and four games that weren't so great, but one of them, I think he... Four games? Two of them, he won. Yeah. Should San Francisco stick with Mack Jonesboro? I mean, really? Really?

What, five and two? Yeah, stick with him until Brock gets back. Like Shannon said. I mean, were we going to replace Dak Prescott, who Brock has beaten in the playoffs, if I'm not mistaken, with Cooper Rush when he went four and one? and actually put up numbers. True, to be fair, I did not say they should replace DAC with Cooper Rush. Y'all tried to put that on me, but I will not receive that.

You heard it, though. From who? I don't know. It was out there. No, no. Look, Mac has been good. This is what you want from a backup. I mean, Mac has played well.

And if he has not played well enough to displace a quarterback who led you to the Super Bowl, A quarterback who left the field against the boat with the lead in that Super Bowl. A quarterback who has led game winning drives in the playoffs against really good teams. I mean, he hasn't played that well. And if he were lighting it up, if he were lighting it up and Nick knows this, Brock got the contract. Well, yeah. I mean, so you wouldn't, if he had played so well that you were like, man, we can move on.

from Brock. Well, the way to move on from Brock is not to bench him because then, I mean, the value with that contract already would be tough to move him, but that would make it even harder. It shouldn't be tough to move him, Brew. He's next Drew Breeze. Everybody likes to rock Bernie. He's a great quarterback. He's a great quarterback.

Then do what I'm saying. And put him back in there when he's ready to play. I mean, Drew Blitzel. You got a pick traded for him with you because Tom Brady was there. Here's the thing. I think that they're going to go back to Brock because of the contract. I think that's true. I also think that they're going to get the same level of quarterback play.

They've been getting out of Mack because the last two years, since the Niners haven't had full-blown Avengers, that's the level of quarterback play you get in Kyle Shanan's offense. The yards per game are within a tenth. The pass rating is one point. The touchdown interception ratio goes to Mac. The yards per pass goes to Brock. The completion percentage, which I don't care about, is a wash,

but technically would go to Mac. And the record goes to MacCard. Oh, the box. But in fairness, did Christian McCaffrey play last season with Brock? No, but George Kittle did. Yeah, but you watch those games. McCaffrey is playing. McCaffrey could be in the MVP conversation,

but numbers were better as far as running the football. That's a big deal. I totally agree, which is, but McCaffrey, but if we're going to add a McCaffrey curve, then it goes to all of, all of Brock's accomplishment. that you listed happened with the leading

them to the Super Bowl. Yeah, if MacL leads them, they go to the Super Bowl. With Christian McCaffrey and with those things. I just think that we are getting a real-time, long sample test of what, you know, what can a veteran,

sorry, KW, mediocre quarterback do in Kyle Shanahan's system and it's what I think Greg and I have said for a long time would be the case, which is there is a floor Shane Ann puts on it as long as you're a competent starting quarterback, which Mack, I didn't think it was going to be, but it's clearly proven to be. So I just don't think there is going to be, I guess here would be my point. The Niners are six and three, and this will be my, I'll ask you.

The Niners are six and three, right? They're in the thick of the playoff race. Six and three, yeah. Any other team that was in the thick of the playoff race with their. backup, we'd be like, oh man, look out when that starter comes back. They are, does anybody think they are going to be demonstrably better with Brock than they currently are with Mac? Because I don't.

No, so that, I don't. I think that's why you can go back to Brock because they're not going to be demonstratively better. However, Brock does provide you an element that Mac Jones doesn't. That's the mobility. The mobility. Being able to extend the plays and make plays outside the pocket. Not saying that Matt can't do it whatsoever, but that's what Brock has shown that he can

consistently do at a high level. To your point, this is what the 49ers do and what you expect of your backup quarterback. And this is the best case scenario. Like this is the absolute best case scenario. The thing that I, if I'm from Mac Jones that I don't. like to hear, which if you're Brock Purdy, you love to hear, is these two aren't relatable. How will Mack Jones play in the fact that Brock is going to be our starting quarterback? It's not even in question.

It doesn't happen. That you can't win. That part, if you're a backup, I don't care what position, you don't want to hear that because this is my shot. And if I'm proven, if I'm playing at a high level and I'm winning and I'm not the reason why we're taking a step back. Like, Matt Jones has been superb for this team. I don't, again, superb for this team doesn't say a whole lot because Brock Purdy is probably going to have similar numbers, which you just showed.

And the ability that they both possess isn't drastic. It's not like Trey Lance to Brock Purdy or anybody else where it's a extreme running advantage for Trey Lance and something drastically different. They're very similar quarterbacks with Brock Purdy just having the ability to extend the ways. Well, I don't think, and Wiles, you probably like this. I don't think it's off the table. Like, what Mack is doing is setting himself up maybe for a trade or to go somewhere and get a chance to – I know he's got one more year on his –

Yeah, I was going to say, not this year. Get a chance to start somewhere. It's not off the table that he could be another Darnold or Daniel Jones or Gino's, or Baker Mayfield, like, go somewhere and just be a starter. Good. No kidding. No kidding. What?

Nobody thought that to me. He made the Pro Bowl and he's five and two. And he's keeping Brock Purdy on the bench. Here's what's actually happening. He's keeping him on the bench? Brock Purdy's turf toe is not going to heal. It's exactly. Not going.

So Kyle Shanahan can say whatever he wants. Quick personal story. My son is 11 years old. We're not letting him get a phone. He said, what if I raise the money myself? So you know what? If you get $800, I'll buy you a phone. Never happening.

Usually you're not selling $800 worth of lemonade. So this is just all in the ether. Mac Jones is the starter for the 49ers. Brock Purdy is never going to have a day where he's like, you know what? My turf toe is 100%. Well, this season. He might be out the rest of the season. Oh, okay.

then we're good. But we're talking about, you know, the quarterback of the Niners for the future. Okay. I thought we were talking about like the next few weeks. Yeah. I mean, you know, the super next few weeks.

No, but I'm saying, I mean, I do think they're going to try to let Brock just get as healthy as he can get. But hold on. If Mac had played terribly, I guess here's the question I have in related to that. Could, if Mac were playing, awful, but they were winning somehow.

You know what I mean? So they were still in the playoff race. No, but let's say they were six and three, but Mac was putting up, it's the Anthony Richardson with the Colts, you know what I mean? They're winning despite it. Do you think Brock could start? Like, that's the, what Wilds, I think, is saying, Brew is Brock, it would be uncomfortable. He wouldn't be 100%, but he could play this week

and that they are being cautious about it because of the level You have to, yeah, I agree that. And I don't think that's anything wrong with that. Okay. Like, he went out in the second game and couldn't, didn't play that well because, you know, the toe. So, yeah, I mean, if you got somebody playing well, then get your starter right, as right as you can. Yeah. But I agree, though.

I mean, don't get too excited about it while, it's because Brock got the caduce. I mean, seriously, like, he's not good. He's got the contract. And it's a great. By the way, classic one by me, grievous mistake. Paying Brock Purdy, now that you're seeing this, was a grievous error. That's a team-friendly deal, isn't it? It's $55 million a year.

I don't know how team-friendly that is. On the other side of this weekend's matchup between the 49ers and the Rams, Matthew Stafford. He's won three in a row, put himself firmly in the MVP conversation in Las Vegas. But has he done enough to find himself on Bruce? Where is he at in Vegas? Let's find out. All right.

A lot of chance. Changes, a lot of changes. At number five, Jalen Hertz, coming off a buy. I like how so many changes are on this list. Look, week to week, we're still only halfway through the season. 15 touchdowns, one pick, really 20 touchdowns. Tide for second in most touchdowns by our quarterback this year with 20,

and only one turnover. And last few games, obviously been cooking fifth in the league, 11.4 pass or raining. You'll like this one, Nick. Number four, let's hear it for the wide receiver. Wow. And great. Okay.

Jackson Smith in Gigba. All right, he is on pace to become the first 2,000 yard receiver ever. Averaging 118 yards a game. And averaging 16 yards per catch, unusual nowadays. No other receiver with 50 or more catches is averaging more than 11 yards again. That's amazing. So he's doing this thing. And they just got Rashis Shahid.

Which is going to have. Darnold, we'll see if he cooks with that. All right, at number three, moving back in, been out for a few weeks, Josh Allen. Numbers aren't, you know, they're not that eye popping, but clearly he makes that team go play fantastic against the Chiefs, fantastic against the Ravens, which despite their troubles was still obviously a big game.

Those were like his two best games in year and two biggest games in year. All right, at number two, Wilde? I like it. Your guy, Drake May. I know you want him here. Wasn't, you know, fantastic last week, but still played very well.

Take out Lamar, and he's first in the league in passer rating. Leads the league in completion percentage, 74%, which is amazing. This is what I think it is. This is an amazing moment coming at number one. Everybody's all. I knew it. My guy. Look, 37 years old, I doubted him because of the training camp was.

I told you it was all phony. It seems like it was. He's having his best year of his career, which is saying a lot. He's on, his touchdown percentage, interception percentage are both the best of his career. On pace for a 113 pass rating, best of his career. And right now has 21 touchdown passes and only two interceptions. So he's doing this thing. I got to give him love.

And they might be the best team in the NFC. Possibly. In the discussion. They have a legit case for it. Look, I mean, it's one of the reasons why you trade for or you acquire a guy like Devante Adams. So if Pook and the Kua does, who has suffered injury, if he is out, you can do what you did against the Jacksonville Jaguars because you still have that guy. I love this for Matthew Stafford because he's been one of those guys that we kind of glance over, gloss over. Even when he came into the league coming in with Megatron, obviously he had to prove it.

And with the Detroit Lions, obviously they weren't a great franchise then. But he's done nothing but be great for this team. It would put him in the Hall of Fame. A hundred percent. A hundred percent. Yeah, he has the, he has the Super Bowl rang, but he doesn't have the, he has the cumulative stats, but the policy of pro bowls and all pros.

If he won a league MVP, he's in the whole thing. Coming up, excellent addition of Bruce Bell. Coming up next, can the Cowboys turn things around to get Greg's take on Quinn and Williams to Dallas? That's next on Bruce N's verse. Back to Dallas. Jacoby Brissette lights up the Dallas defense, who got better today by getting Quinn and Williams

from the Jets. I didn't have the picks exactly. Oh, here it is. A second and a 27 first, and Mazzie Smith. Greg, your reaction to the game and the drink. The game, I got to watch the first block, brew, so I saw the professor. Yeah.

But this right here, this is when you're Jerry Jones and you say we made a trade follow it up with this guy like this should be the first name we hear not Logan Wilson I'm not not to disrespect Logan Wilson well it was bench brother worst defense

yes and this makes this makes that that trade make more sense with getting Quinn and Williams this is when you if you're going to go for it just go for do I think he makes a dent in improving their defense?

Of course. Will that help them try to save their season? I think it's too late now. Now, you go out. You might as well go all in if you're Jerry Jones now. Go get a pass rusher.

He's going to provide interior pass rush and run-stopping ability. I totally get that. That's great. That's what you've been saying that you need, that Micah didn't do,

all the things. But just go get a pass-rrrrisher now. Your season's done. Right, but hold on. So even with this trade, you think that this season is complete. It's too much to overcome. You got too many teams that are already at six wins when you're looking at the NFC West. That game, losing that game, completely shifted everything for the Cowboys.

Which is, I don't, I do not understand how in this league you can agree to, when you are hanging on for playoff life, how you can agree to terms of a tournament. trade before you know if you have lost grip of playoff life. It's baffling to me. It is, and I'm one of the, I, Greg Rosenthal, who works for the NFL, I think does the best daily NFL podcast. There is, it's called NFL Daily, oddly. He tweeted this like 30 minutes ago, and I don't know if Greg's watching the show, but we're in Lexstep.

So the Cowboys traded Micah and Mazzie Smith for Quinn and Williams, Kenny Clark, and to move up 15 to 20 spots into the back of the. 26 NFL draft. That's it. That is the net net of this. It is puzzling to me how anybody can see that and be like, wow,

Jerry's still got his fastball. What about the money? Isn't the money always a factor? So Quinn and Williams for the next, well, it's tricky though. So Quinn and Williams' next two years will be much cheaper than Michael Parsons. But in order to justify this trade at all, you will then,

you hope to sign Quinn and Williams to the highest paid D-Tackle contract ever. Yes, in the short term, it will save them money. There is no doubt about that. But they, it is, I think this season is too far gone. And by trading away next year's first round pick, what we are learning this season is you can have a healthy Dac Prescott and still be staring at a top 10 pick.

Like that is seriously concerning if you're Dallas. Well, Nick, they don't have a plan. Okay. I mean, you're upset because where's the plan? What are they? We knew had they had a plan, they would assign Micah two years ago for $35 million or whatever it would have been, and it would have been fine. But they don't have a plan.

We saw it throughout the offseason with the way they let it drag out and everything. We saw it with DAC. We've seen it all the time with Jerry. So if I take Mike, I agree, wish they had kept Micah. Take him out of the equation, though. Quentin Williams is a really good player. And I do expect, I mean, he's been good for the Jets. I expect to see an uptick, though.

Now that he's with a better team, he's in Dallas. I mean, you know, so I think he'll play even better. And I agree, I don't think this season's salvageable. But going forward, he's only 27 years old. So he's still got many good years ahead of him. So I like getting him and it will help the run. You know, I think they think they got a couple of young edge rushers that, you know, can do something. Would you guys have thought this was a good trade for the Bengals?

For the Bengals? No. No. I want the Bengals to go the other way. So that was a valid point. I mean, they're in the exact same boat. No, I'm not so sure I would have felt that way about the Bengals. Because, again, not for this year, but going for when you get Joe Burrow back and then you got Quentin Williams, I wouldn't have hated that for the baby. Yeah, I still think it's a good to acquire somebody that you feel like you can build around. and he stabilizes what you've been struggling to do, which is stop the run, absolutely.

And he gives you an interior. Just two years ago, we were talking about Quinn and Williams is one of the best defensive tackles in all of football, alongside Aaron Donald. Like, that's what they have the opportunity. You're leaving a guy out that was in the conversation. I agree with you.

Intentionally. Not going to even lie. I agree with all that. And then I'll stop being. annoying about this. I defended Jerry on the Micah trade once it happened. But with the process being

we need a bunch of players. And his argument was we're going to get four players out of this and they ended up getting one. But he was just throwing that. I mean he was just... But that was the only way it was defensible was as good as Micah

is with the money we're going to save and the extra picks because we clearly need help in the second We need help with every level of the defense. That's what we're going to do. And then it feels like it feels immature that you can't just then hold your water for the year and then cash in.

It like immature is the wrong word. Just like childish almost. And I just don't get it. Great job for the Jets, Witt. Our boss is big Jets fan. I agree. Mahomes Mountain coming up in three weeks. Shocking Mahomes Mountain.

And 45 seconds. Live from New York, the show is still waiting for the beach. Patriots and the Chiefs to do something. Chiefs, fine. We're fine. We're not going to do anything. I want to do something.

I want, I wanted to Vondre sweat the D tackle from the Titans, cost controlled rookie contract, add some depth. Yeah. It doesn't look like they're trading him. I don't need to trade for any, I'm not trading a third round pick for eight games of Breece Hall. Why not doing it? Why?

Because that's not how you say a dynasty. When your Patriots were a dynasty, did you guys do a lot of flashy trade deadline overpays? We could run the ball. You know how you knew the dynasty was over? We could run the back. But you paid a second round pick for Muhammad Sanoo, 2019 to try to hold on to things. Do you remember that? You remember that?

It was like, oh boy, Belichick lost his fastball. You need to run the ball. Okay, we'll be fine. They got to run it. We'll be fine. Today, Quinnon Williams to Dallas. Do the Cowboys do too little too late? Or can Quinnon show up and maybe salvage the season?

Meanwhile, Greg's Colts. Get Sauce Gardner. How much? Which does Indy believe in their own team more than Greg, perhaps? But right now, we're headed to the mountain. We're in the fun and games portion of the mountain. Usually it's super treacherous. This time, it's just for recreation.

You know what? Great mountain for Patriots. Mack Jones playing well. Jacoby Brissette played great yesterday. But where is Drake May going to be? Let me just tell you, stay tuned for this week's episode of Mahomes Mountain. It's a treat. Indeed it is. It is a treat and the mountain is fair as always.

And with no spoilers, Patrick had been at the top of the mountain fairly. Patrick for the first time since he played at Texas Tech and I don't even know if it happened to Texas Tech. Maybe the first time his life completed less than 50% of his passes lost. Lost it in fact, one way to put it lost another Super Bowl. Gosh, darn it. Patrick's lost seven Super Bowls. That's a lot of Super Bowl. That's more than Elway.

So he has to drop. Who will be at the top? We'll find out shortly. First, though, who's not climbing? Off the mountain. Burrow for injury. Purdy for injury. Kyler for injury.

And Jaden for real injury. I should have said him first. That one's a tough one. Dylan Gabriel, Cam Ward, Tyler Shuck, Marcus Marriota, off the mountain. This is what it is. The first three guys. didn't even get a chance.

I mean, well, Shuck. I mean, you kind of, you get me a little room for bringing. I mean, again. Just saying. Maybe Shuck will get on there. I'm not saying he can't ever get on there, but he didn't do enough to get on there yet.

All right, bottom of the mountain, row seven, Jackson Dart, again. I just think that Giants Broncos game is going to go down as the giant's Hail Mary game for the Bears the previous year. Season and Dissaright. Two are already getting people fired.

Michael Pinnick. back on the mountain. I thought, listen, those, I don't know if those were good passes to Drake London or not. I know they were sick highlights. Bryce, his team's winning.

They're, what are they? He throw 97 yards. I mean, listen, he's on the mountain. Gino stays where he is, valiant effort. It's this, listen, it's hard to be. You love Gino. He stays where he's,

you want to be dropping these score 29 points. Justin Fields, I want to drop you. But in the meet, while Aaron Glenn did two things today, trade away the best players and not commit to you. I don't know what's going on. J.J. McCarthy on the Mountain.

It didn't play great, but at some moments. Roe 6. Mountain's fair. I would have loved to move Caleb up. I desperately wanted to move Caleb up. Couldn't find room for him in the top 15. CJ, Bo, Nicks, Trevor. Again, these are all first round picks.

Again, I would have loved to move Trevor up. Top 15 is tough right now. Jacoby Brissette, though. Oh, my. Bill Barsel's been talking about Jacoby Breset for 10 years. Jacoby getting a real opportunity. Former great patriot or decent patriot. Another former patriot.

Mack Jones out here cooking. On the mountain. On the mountain. Row six, not even at the bottom of the mountain. Row five. Here's why there wasn't room. Because Joe Flacco's got to be a top 15 guy. Joe Flacco is out here.

I'm not asking the question. But making other people ask the question, is Joe Burrow a system quarterback? I'm not asking. I'm not asking the question. I'm not suggesting the New York Jets should call up the Cincinnati Bengals and say, hey, we now have five first round picks and three second round picks. We'll give them all to you for Joe Burroughs,

since obviously you need to remake your defense. We need a quarterback, and anyone can throw for 30 yards. I'm not suggesting that. Other people are. Jordan Love drops. Daniel Jones. Sorry, Greg, five turnovers. Could drop further.

Jared Goff drops, but that's not golf's fault. It's because Lamarck shows up. Aaron Rogers stays where he is. Top 10. Sam Darnold out here just cooking. It's just 25 straight games aside from a little brief pumpkin mode in the playoffs of balling for Darnold.

Dak has to drop, of course. Baker stays where he is. Justin Herbert, I thought, played really well. Sadly, he lost Joe Walt. They just traded for Trevor Pinning. The problem with Trevor Pinning is he's not good, but he does play tackle. I don't know if it'll help him or not,

but Herbert moves up. This next row, I think, is the most stacked to row three in the history of the mountain. And it's a very first thing's first year row three. It's my guy, Wilde's guy, and Brew's guy. Show us row three. Wow.

Patrick Mahomes, Jalen Hertz and Lamar Jackson. What a third row. I mean, those guys all at various moments have been at the very top of the mountain themselves. One of them has the mountain named after him. The other one is probably going to, at the end of his career, I have the regular season MVP trophy named after him. Give him an extra trophy that way he actually has one.

And Jaylen Hertz is defending Super Bowl MVP. And now, major moment. We know who the three guys are that are left. And I don't know if we can put Wilds on camera as well here, guys, because I think this is a moment we should all share. Row two of the mountain, Josh Allen and Drake May, which means atop the mountain is everybody's All-American. One Matthew Staff.

This is not cool. So here's the deal, America. If you. If you. If you have. Say something. Yes. This is not good at all.

I'm not joking. I will get, I will, I will let you in. This is what happened. I'm not happy. This is a line you don't cross. Yeah. Was it, do you remember somebody said in our ear,

this is during the pandemic when we were in boxes. Uh-huh. Someone said, as a joke, hey, breaking news, something happened. Yeah. That's a joke. Yeah. And we were like, hey, I know you're joking and we're trying to have fun. Don't do that.

Right. Because it's kind of a line that we can't cross. Putting fake stuff in the Google Doc is one of those lines. is one of those lines. So here is, let me, the show falls apart. Let me explain to the audience what has happened.

Nothing happened. Let me explain. Nothing happened. Nothing happened between 10 a.m. There was no games played. Did they make a trade or something? You're totally right about it. If anything, if anything, hold on.

If anything happened, it's that we have two games against the Jets who got much worse. And Drake May, because it's rich tapestry will be even better. Listen. This is outrageous. I could lie to it. Because here's the deal, America.

I can't believe this. Kevin Wilde saw in the Google Doc that Drake May was atop the mountain and is prepared all day a celebration about Drake May being atop the mountain. Now, I could sit here and say Drake May was atop the mountain, but seeing Matt Stafford atop Bruce ballot made me reconsider. That would be a lot. The fact of the matter is this. for five weeks in a row, we have talked about during the mountain Kevin Wilds breaks format.

And does not say this guy move, this guy, do this, do this. Kevin Wilde instead uses it as a Drake May celebration. So it's a little good for the goose, good for the gander. And just so you know, Brew and Greg were in on it. Everybody got the real mountain.

Everybody got the real mountain, KW. It's a little tit for tat. The fact that brew was like, hey, gave me a high five. That hit my radar. That hit my radar. He's such a good actor, though. He got you. So I don't know what Kevin Wilde has prepared.

But stay tuned about six minutes from now. But first, Craig Jennings, thoughts on the mountain. Let me first say this. Well done. Thank you, brother. Well done. I appreciate it. I won't do it again.

It just, it was just, it felt like it was time. I hated to be included in this, but it just. It just felt right. So I went along with it. But so in all honesty, if we can put the mountain up. Yeah. I actually love this mountain. I told you this.

Like, this is, like, I know I'm the Daniel Jones guy, but five turnovers, rightfully so, you have to drop. Yeah. But I want to talk about a guy that you did move up, and I thought about moving him up even another line, a tier. And that's Sam Darnel. He's been great.

I thought Wildy was your guy, but maybe he's not. The Donald we're seeing, he's legit. Are you moving him up? I'm not going to move him up. You know where to put him. The question was about Lamar. It was about Lamar coming back.

Do I just put him above Lamar? But then it was unfair because Lamar is, you know, he's Lamar. So, and Donald last week was the tier below. But Sam Darnold this year has just been absolutely outstanding for this team. They're first in their division. Obviously, we know the record is six and two. But if you put up his numbers next to any one of these quarterbacks, you're going to say, man, is Sam Darnold right there in the elite category?

Yes. And it's going to be hard to top that top three tiers of mountains, those six guys. It's going to be hard to move into that. But if he continues to put up these type of numbers where he's the reason why this team is having success, brew, you alluded to a young man on your bruise, ballot as an MVP candidate. You know why? Because of this guy.

And if you look at his numbers, he's being special. That guy being J.S.N. These numbers are outrageous. Like, look at the bottom. 118 yards per game is insane. 118 yards per game. Second most in last 40 years. Wow.

That's impressive. Calvin Johnson, like Megatron. Like put that in perspective. Like, I played against Megatron. I know what he was. JSN has been special and it all stems from the quarterback play. Mind you, a quarterback that all last season, all three of you were waiting for the pumpkin.

All three of them to show all three of you. No, he believed. No, I was a Minnesota Viking guy. He believed in him. But luckily, Brew, we were waiting for it and then we had to run. Exactly. We were waiting for it. And it did arrive.

We were like, all right. But as I mentioned before, the darnal we're seeing is legit. I'm not moving him up. No, that's great. But if he continues to play this way, would you, because I considered him as on my ballot. That's what I thought he might be. And it was between him and hurts. So would you put him ahead of hurts on that?

I actually would put him ahead of Hertz right now because I feel like we completely had Seattle off the radar for being this good. And largely because of what we didn't expect from Sam Darry. Can I ask one quick question? Of course. Rashid Jehid, who I think is an excellent deep threat. He was one of the under the radar trades, New Orleans to Seattle today. That obviously helps Seattle. Do you think that hurts J.S.N's chances of hitting 2,000 yards?

I actually think it helps them. Because he'll take more. Because he'll take some attention away. Like with Cooper Cup being in and out of the lineup from time to time, you need another guy. And they've been getting it by committee from some other guys, Horton being one of those guys, but when you have a guy in Sam Darno who can't just be heroic, like Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson's, you have to have talented guys all around you

and all around him, and they're doing that. So I love this for J.S.A. All right, Brew. Like Greg, I like the mountain. There is one change, though, that I would make. And that is I would switch Jared Gough and Justin Herbert because here's the thing with Herbert too. He's about to fall off. Joe Alt's gone for the season.

And as you said, his replacement is not Joe Al. So I think he's going to drop a little, which I don't, I would have loved to have seen them whole. Even without Slater, just with Alt there, because they were, I think they're a really good team. But I think they're going to,

Herbert's going to come back to Earth a little bit. He's already thrown four interceptions like his last five games or something like that. Golf only has three interceptions the entire season. Here are numbers next to each other. I mean, golfs are way better. It's not even

close in just about everything except passing yards per game. But, you know, everything else. Golf, he hasn't had any, like, huge or not many. I think he had one huge game. But he's just steady.

And leading that, you know, one of the top office. So maybe this is unfair. Maybe this is the hand-sized bias. I don't know. But watching that game against Minnesota made me really nervous for the, for golf specifically, but for the Lions. Because you saw what has just been an offense that works like clockwork. They were able to get pressure and golf went just.

It's hard to play when you're under the rest. Listen, Mahomes was under constant dress on Sunday. I didn't play poorly. It just feels for the Lions, and again, maybe it's my own biases, different. When it's like, man, the moment he doesn't have real protection, it feels like an automatic negative play. And I agree with you, Brew, that projecting forward, I think Herbert's going to play his way down and golf will probably play his way up.

But right now I thought, I think Herbert has done as well as he could do, given the offensive line injuries. And so I, but I understand the point. Yeah, let them leave. Let them live a little bit, bro. Don't pull them down yet. I've been on a bit of an emotional roller coaster in the last few minutes, really since 10 a.m.

Because part of me didn't even want to be at the top. That's true. I'm actually okay being second. I still think this team needs to climb. So I'm happy with Drake May here. We're on a six-game winning streak, and here are his numbers. We're putting up 30 points a game. I'll take it.

Yeah. Our completion percentage, I think, is the best since Drew Breeze. No, I think he's on pace to break the record. Oh, I thought there's two Drew Breeze seasons ahead of it. Either way, we're completing a lot of passes, and a lot of this is Josh McDaniels. The brilliance of the Patriots offense, and I don't want to take a shot at Caleb, It's kind of like the opposite of what's happening in the Bears offense when you watch it. Like there's not a lot of spectacular stuff happening.

Just like, oh, this little Josh McDaniels design, simple. He doesn't have to catch a touchdown. We're good. It's just nice and easy. The deep passes have gotten so much better. I think a lot of that is Kayshan Bouthey. But he's got a hamstring now, but it's a grade one, Greg. I don't know if he's going to say he might play.

I don't think he's going to. So maybe that comes down. We're on the road in Tampa and we are underdogs, which again, I like. But on the road this season, Drake May has been, well, he's been basically perfect. So I don't quite know how I'm feeling about this. I was tricked all day. So I'm a little bit frazzled, but I'm okay being, what I view is in having the second best quarterback. Well, there's no second to right.

It's not left to right. So it might be second. It might be third. I'm okay with it. Are you mad at me, KW? No, but I did think it was a line that was crossed. I think it was a line that was crossed. I'll be honest.

The show doesn't start in the Google Doc. It's not like what we're doing. It did today. What do you mean? That's just not how it works. It's not how TV works. This is how TV works. Just not how it's...

All right, listen, America, here's the deal. KW is legit mad. I knew he would be legit mad. And I'm here to tell you, It won't happen again, but I feel it was worth it. It probably was worth it. But this is, you know, breaking news. No, there wasn't.

You can't play with some of the tenants of the show. Coming up next, we're breaking down more trade deadline moves. Can Quinn and Williams save the Cowboys season? Greg's Colts going all in. Next one, first thing, church. I think we'll be back. Saturday college hoops. Bama, St. Johns.

That's noon on FS1. And then 7 o'clock on Fox, Arkansas, Michigan State Calipari versus Tom Izzo, 14 versus 22. That all tips off Saturday only on Fox. College basketball is here. I'm excited. Welcome back to first things first. We're breaking down. Everything about the trade deadline.

We are starting with the major moves out of New York. Sauce Gardner headed to Indianapolis for two first round picks and A.D. Mitchell. Greg, feels like the Colts are trying to go all in this year. What was your reaction when you saw this trade? Look, I loved it. I know a lot of people are going to say, you know, you gave up a lot for Sauce who hasn't been playing, like the talent that we saw when he first came into the National Football League, just on a tear as a rookie.

However, when you think about what the Colts have been dealing with in their secondary, injuries throughout the secondary. Obviously, Chavarius Ward, they put on IR, so he should be back after the buy. You coupled that when you get back with a guy like Sauce Gardner who naturally kind of like Quinn and Williams, who is going to a, with the exception of Quinn and Williams is going to a losing team right now, but you're going into a situation where you're being brought in because we identify you to be a piece that we need to take us over the top, you're going to get the best version of Sauce Gardner. And I love what they're doing.

Obviously, Lou Aniromo is going to have a plan for him, but this speaks to how they view my guy. Daniel Jones. When you give up two first rounds, they believe in them just like I believe in them. I'll let you guys go and then I'll react to you guys too. I like what you said. I mean, this was what they needed.

They needed some pass rush help, but that defensive backfield, the depth and everything. And we know Anirumo, if they should meet the chiefs in the playoffs, has had success against Kansas City. This, obviously, you've got to have some way to try to stop the pass or slow down the pass. So sauce will help with that. I like to move. I was saying earlier, though, Greg, the question, like now with the defensive backfield kind of solidified,

especially with Ward coming back to, like, where you don't look, everywhere you look on that roster, even though they don't have like a superstar receiver, they got some good receivers. Everywhere you look, it's like, man, we're pretty good. Everywhere. The question will be quarterback. And Jones has been great last week, notwithstanding. But that's going to be the question going into the postseason. Like we had about darno last year.

How is he going to play into big games? So, you know, we'll see. I think there is close to a 0% chance the Jets regret this. And I think there is a huge chance the Colts do. I think that the Colts, Greg is correct that this is the strongest vote of confidence imaginable for Daniel Jones. because no team in the last decade in the NFL has made this type of trade without truly believing they've got their quarterback. Now, they haven't always been right.

And we can show you what those trades were. Khalil Mack, you can be like, the Bears traded for Kalil Mack when they had Mitch Trubisky. They traded for Kalil Mack. I don't know if we can show the less than a year after spending the number two pick of the draft on Mitch Trubisky. They believed he was the guy. The Texans traded for Laramie Tunsell.

right after two years after they had drafted Deshawn Watson and that he was already a star. The Rams traded for Jalen Ramsey months after going to the Super Bowl with golf. The Seahawks traded for Jamal Adams when they had Russell Wilson there for a decade and felt he was going to continue to be there. And obviously the Packers with Jordan Love.

So this is stamping. Yeah, Daniel Jones is going to be our quarterback, obviously this year, next year and moving forward. We don't care that we are not going to be able to draft a quarterback. I personally think that is way too aggressive. I don't look at the Colts as a team who has to operate as if the window is this moment. And I understand it's also a young player, so your window extends even with him.

But to put this much faith. in a player that was not a part of your plan four months ago and that has played eight good games for you is crazy to me. Like truly, and if I'm the Jets, I would, if some, let me think of a good example. Who else could have offered? Like, I would rather have taken this deal from the Colts than if the Bears offered me the same thing.

I think maybe the bears are a bad example. I'm trying to think of like if you're the Jets and you had multiple teams offering you two first round picks, I feel like part of the math is the Colts could be bad next year. Like that is, it's not like when the Packers traded away two first round picks, their opinion is there's no chance we're bad next year. The Colts are operating as if there's no chance they're bad next year. I don't view it that way.

But it is, it does signify that Daniel Jones is going to be their guy, and Daniel Jones is going to get. real contract this off season. They've got the number one offense and the seventh best defense. So I think if you're top 10 in both and your number one on offense, you can stop the run, fourth best rush defense and eighth best with Jonathan Taylor. That probably dropped. I felt like that was higher before the Steelers game, except they would just getting thrown on.

So they play the Falcons in Germany this weekend. Then they're on the buy. Then they're at Kansas City. Yeah. So you were big on like, obviously, the tackle that turned the tide and Rishie Rice coming back. If Sauce Gardner is like, you know what, I got Rishi Rice. Then you're back to be in the team that's like. Okay.

Can I, this is my other question. I mean, first of all, that's the, I disagree with you, but that's, that's fine. I'm not, I think sauce gardener's really good. Are you certain? Like, because it's been weird. His first two years in the league, he was all pro and fantastic. Last year, he was not very good. And this year, he's not been very good.

He's been, you know, he's been fine. But that is, it doesn't feel, he doesn't feel to me the caliber of player that Jalen Ramsey was when he was traded for two first round picks out of Jacksonville. So it's interesting with Sauce and with being in the studio, Jets fan. He's seen this. Like, it depends on oftentimes. the dynamic in the locker room. And I know this sounds strange because fans and viewers are going to be like, well, you're professional.

You're getting paid to play. Just play at the level that you're expected to play every single time. It's easier said than done. When I am not feeling the vibe of where I'm going to work every single week, it kind of changes my disposition. The reason why I think this works, and to your point, I do feel like Sauce Gardner has to correct some things. Like he has to play better with his footwork. It's not not be so handsy because he has been known to get a lot of pass interferences, a lot of holding calls, all of those things.

But when you believe, like I said earlier, that this team thinks that I'm a piece that can get them over the hump, you better believe he's going to give them the best version of who he is. How could he not believe that about the Jets this year when they paid him three months ago? Well, I understand. But when you look at the landscape of the Jets, I don't believe that. we can win. It's one thing to be paid and to have an opportunity to make a lot of money. It's another thing to be paid to have an opportunity to make a lot of money and I got a team that I know that I can win with. He was seeing all training camp what the quarterback's

situation. Man, week one of the season, they scored 32 and the defense was awful and he was part of it. That's all I'm saying. I'm saying his first game off the contract extension, they got shredded. Right. Like, it's not, so I think it is, again, I think he's a really good player. I don't think he's been a great player in a year and a half. And I just want to put the question that you put to me on its head. Like, is it possible that in three weeks time, the cult are like, ooh, did we make a mistake? If Mahomes, if they get. Like that if they, that if they, that if in three weeks time, let's say they go to Atlanta, they went or they go to Germany, but they win that game.

And they play the Chiefs. and it's 3724. Off a buy, that would be concerned. And it's like, okay, we're still really good. We're eight and three. We're going to win the division. But we are, you know, not in the championship weight class. And this one player didn't fix our past defense.

Did we push our chips in the middle of the table too soon? I think that is certainly on the board of potential outcomes. That's fair. But you also bank on the idea of what we've seen on film? when this player does play at his best, we will sign up for that. Yes. And that's what you're-

As he was the best corner in football. That's true. All right, head to Dallas, where the Jets are sending Quinnin Williams to try to fix that Cowboys defense. Jets receiving Mazi Smith and two first-round picks. Greg, did you like this move?

Look, I like this move a lot for Dallas. Hold on. Just real quick, just to correct it. The Jets are getting a first and a second. The graphics wrong. And that's just so I read it. A second this year and a first next year. Go ahead.

Yeah, I like this move a lot for the Cowboys. Obviously, Jerry Jones alluded to yesterday that he made a trade. And this is the type of name that you would hope. If you're a Cowboys fan, that would be associated with that type of statement and that type of bragging, if you will, that a trade was made. Quinn and Williams is a problem in the trenches. And not just from a run-stopping perspective because we know he can do that, But even from a pass rush perspective, which is what they also need.

Now, they do need more pieces. Does this change the tide of what they look like completely defensively in terms of wins and losses? I don't think so for this season. However, I think you will start to see that he solidifies what they want to be up front in the run game and also in the past rush department as well. So I like this a lot for the Cowboys. I like it a lot, too. Look, I don't think it saves this season. I think you'll see some improvement defensively,

particularly against the run, you know, but I think for the future, he's only 27. And like you said earlier, Greg, a couple years ago, we were talking about him, like, I mean, future Hall of Fame. And I think obviously that's still on the board. So I think this is a good piece to get going forward. Because even if Jerry, like, I do think Jerry's thinking,

okay, we're about to make a run now. But he certainly needs, that's wrong. But he certainly needs to be thinking, I mean, in the next few years, we got to do something. Because Dak, you know, is just getting older. We got our receipt. Everybody's in their prime. So I think in the future, this could help the Cowboys. I like getting Quintinor.

That Jets defense must have been awesome, huh? I mean, they had sauce and Quinnett Williams? Yeah. Maybe I haven't been dialed into the Jets. They've been losing a lot of games nine to seven. I mean, my God. You got to shut down D. Lyman in the number one quarter of football. the hell's Aaron Glenn doing?

I mean, I, I, I hate to be, I just have to be honest about how I feel about these things. So let me ask you this question. I think the best trade that was made today was Rashid Shahid. I think that's the most impactful. I think it's the team with the highest chance of going on a real playoff run. You gave, you gave up the least amount of real equity. I think he, I think he is not asked to be a one-man solution to a problem. Quinn and Williams is like, our defense is awful.

Can you fix it? Sauce Gardner, you're telling, our past events is awful. Can you fix it? Can you help it? Yeah, I like the sauce. I like Rashid, but I like the sauce. Well, again, I think, I think sauce is a better player than Rashid Shahid, but I also, the different, you gave up two first and a guy you picked 53rd last year versus fourth and six.

What was the question you're about to ask? No, I was just going to say if either one of these players were added, and again, it's hard to say this to the chiefs. To the chiefs? Because of what you had to give up. Right. I get that. Well, yeah, I would love to. But for these teams, specifically the coach, trying to surmount the chiefs, you have to be willing to take this type of a risk.

And I guess my point is, I think the reason that the Patriots can have a 20-year run and the chiefs can have the run they did is because all these teams keep acting, keep trying to accelerate the process. Now, listen, the AFC West maybe is getting stuff together. But I watched the Chargers be like, oh, we drafted Herbert. Let's go get Khalil Mack. Let's go do that. Let's go. And then all of a sudden you're a deficit. I watch the Broncos.

Okay, let's trade for Russell Wilson and let's do these things. The Raiders have done it three times. I watched teams and the AFCs do it. I have watched these teams. The bills, we have to overcome the Chiefs. We'll give Von Miller coming off a knee $120 million. That certainly won't go bad. nobody wants to say, hey, there have been two teams in the last quarter century of football

that have consistently been excellent. And they never make moves like this, ever. Well, they also got Tom, Brady, and Patrick. That's the difference. And two great coaches. That is the difference. But I guess my point is, the bills have a great quarterback. And they still put their foot on the gas pedal too much.

The Colts might not even have a great quarterback. It might not even have a good quarterback. And they're trading away next year's first round pick to help their secondary right now. If you are to ask anybody in that Colts fan base, would they make this trade if it guaranteed they win one Super Bowl this year? Of course. Just like the Rams, they did that with Stafford. We're going to make this trade. We're going to go get Stafford.

It worked out. They win the Super Bowl. buys them a little bit more time. They were heavy, and it's like, well, how can they keep all these guys? They start getting rid of some of the guys, and they're able to still retool, which they retooled a little quicker than what we all thought.

No, but I, so, again, of course you would trade, you'd trade 10 first round picks for a Super Bowl. I get that. The point that I'm making is whether you, if you're the Dallas Cowboys or the Indianapolis Colts, I think having an honest conversation about, is one are we one in

either timeline one player away on that side of the ball or do we need if you're the cult optionality and the cults think they might be the cults are taking a huge swing

and Daniel Jones might make it pay off for him. The Cowboys to me had instantaneous regret on the Micah trade and now are trading 95% of what they got for Micah Parsons for an older less impactful player on the defensive line.

It's bananas. I just think it is, I think it's bananas. I know they're big names. I know that. I think it's an insane way to run football teams. Bills and Chiefs don't do much at all. Was that? Smart.

Yeah, there you go. That's exactly right. Ooh, big noon Saturday. The Hoosiers are tough. Yeah. The idea that Indiana might win the national. championship. I'm still wrapping my head around.

There's a chance. There's a strong chance. What? Go ahead. That the Colts and the Hoosiers, like Indiana is the football capital of America. I believe in the Hoosiers. I believe in the Hoosiers.

If this happens, I had to get out the Nap Town. Oh, yeah. Oh, Rick's in my year of our Notre Dame. We got it. I will claim them. Believe it. Chiefs and Bills, we are keeping our eye on our social media waiting for something

happened. Nothing happened. I was expecting something. I was too, to be honest. Are you okay with the Chiefs and Bill's standing pat? Yeah, listen, I think they're the two best teams certainly in the AFC and they're the two to me scariest teams in all the football. And I so and I don't look at I don't think any of the other teams in that scariest tier made most of them didn't make any moves. The Eagles adding Jalen Phillips, you know, is a good swing. And so, like, that could be impactful, but the Rams didn't do anything.

The Bucks didn't do anything. The Ravens who have to fight their way up there. That's what I said. The Eagles added Jalen Phillips. The Ravens added the D. D. Ramon Jones. I thought the bills might go after a wide receiver. I think the bills probably felt a little snake-bitten by the Cooper trade last year.

which was not a huge they didn't pay a ton for it but they got almost nothing and you know no return on it uh the the dolphins wanted a first round pick for jalen wattle i think that would have been i i think that would have been a mistake for buffalo to give up a first round pick for jalen wattle i'm sure i would have been the only you agree with i do okay um because the bills lead the nfl in yards we talk about they need more stuff on offense they lead the nfl in yards do you think they would have made a move if they lost I think that would have been. I think almost like the win gives you this false. I think it depends on how they would have lost. Like, because to your point, when you watch the bills, like, I believe that they understand what we have in this three tight-in type of an offense. They have some, they have pieces that just makes sense. And adding a receiver, you tried to get it in the draft with Keon Coleman. That didn't work.

Joshua Palmer has been out on injury. When he gets back, it'll be a little bit better. but you don't want to try to make a fabricated answer for something that you've been getting by with because we have this core group of guys. You got to remember, one of the concerts, they play at the Chiefs all the time. They're going to run up in,

what's the one combo that the Chiefs always have? That Travis Kelsey and Patrick Mahom combo. Josh Allen has Dawson Knox or Dalton Kincaid. If he stays healthy, like they will be just fine. You don't make a swing. like that of somebody that you're bringing in that you don't know is going to work out. The swing would have been, honestly, to replace Ed Oliver. That, yes.

So I think the chiefs also, everybody thought the chiefs were going to go after a running back. It seemed like they were definitely not. And then with Pacheco getting hurt, seemed like that window opened a bit. Also, Bruce Hall just keeps on tweeting out. Yeah, and Breeze Hall wanted to be traded. And people can say this, the reporting out of Kansas City is the chiefs were willing to trade a fourth that could turn into a third. The Jets wanted a third.

And so it didn't happen. Now, if people can say that's a mistake. I think that it would have been against how the chiefs have done business to say, we don't value that position. We're not drafting that position outside of the seventh round, but we will give up a third round pick for eight games of Breece Hall and then have to pay a big contract. So, like, that didn't surprise me.

I did think they might try to go get D-Line help because it's not as impactful as at Oliver, obviously, but they lost their second round pick to a torn ACL, he's a D-tackle, the Bill's lost at Oliver, but neither one of them got Tvondre sweat, and neither one went and got it. I think they're both fine, and I think it takes a long view of an organization to, like, what is the last mid-season trade that made a significant impact that year? Like, that's a trick question, I guess. I, the, there, there, was OBJ traded to the Rams? He's going to win the, right?

So, right? I don't know if that was he traded or was he outright. I think he just signed. But OBJ would be a good one. OBJ is a great example. But it's just, it's a lot more sizzled than stake typically on these moves. Like I'm sure. I'm going to go back.

AJ, Antonio Brown was traded to the, to the bucks. Antonio Brown was, I think, Antonio Brown was signed. Yeah, he was. He was signed because the Raiders cut it. The Raiders were like, you froze your feet off in the chamber. No, he was traded from the Steelers to the Raiders and then the Raiders cut him because

he fought him up the helmet and throws his feet off. And then the Brady saved him. So I mean, it's just tough. I would have loved to have seen the Chiefs go get Breeze Hall. I mean, that would have been, you know. Look, I think they'll be fine because they're running

game. They haven't had a great running back, you know, with Mahomes. But yet when they've needed the yardage, they've found a way to get it. And so Kareem Hunt, you know, we know with the third and one, fourth and one, he's been good. And he's had, you know, he'll get you a seven-yard run here. Seven, good big seven-yard run. Yeah, you know, so I think their run game will be fine. But if they had gotten Breeze Hall, I do think that would have sent shivers throughout the rest of the NFC and league.

Can I ask you a question? Yeah. Are you disappointed your Patriots weren't as aggressive as the Colts? We have, uh, that's a great question. They're both ahead of schedule. They both have plenty of money. We've got plenty of money and plenty of draft picks. Right.

I think it's... I like the, I mean, I guess it's smart that we're, you know, speaks to your time frame. Taking the long view. At the same time, like, the future is now on an exit ramp. Yeah, but I see the Patriots differently than I see the Colts. like the the Patriots knew what they had in Drake May so they had the plan already absolutely the plan was set yeah with Daniel Jones found money yeah it's like we oh we stumbled on this you know what let's take advantage of it and so because they don't know how long it's going to last and I think you have to strike and you have a coach that before this season yeah he was he was teetering on the hot seat that's true I like I also just real quick for a rep trade deadline stuff? I think the dolphins made a big mistake firing Chris Greer last

week instead of waiting. I thought that was bizarre. I think that handicapped their ability to try to do a poor man's version of what the Jets did today. Guys that we know aren't going to be on the team next year, move them. Five o'clock in New York City on a trade deadline

Tuesday, it's first thing's first overtime. Danny, welcome. Thank you. Have you been absorbing all the trades? You know, I decided to follow the trade deadline today. We are locked in. Were you bummed your bears stood pat? Oh, they traded a seventh round pick for a defensive end with those acts.

Oh, yeah, because that did happen. I don't mind those. The old seven for six. When you get a player? Yeah, I like those. First hour, first things first overtime. Cowboys, Colts. Seahawks making moves.

The Jags are making moves. Jacobi Myers. I don't mind that Jacobi Myers back in the way. The Raiders are sellers. Who won the trade deadline we discussed? Meanwhile, did the Chiefs keep their top spot on Danny's top 10? It's top 10. But a loss in Buffalo.

But we're starting with Jerry Jones. Jerry Jones promised us that he would make a big trade and didn't tell us who it was going to be. Turns out it was a big trade. He was right. Quinn and Williams headed to Dallas. The Jets are receiving a second round pick and a first round pick in 2027. Danny, was it a mistake for Dallas in your mind to be buyer? at the trade deadline.

Yes, it was. But I try to approach these things rationally with like some degree of logical consistency. And I think that's a huge mistake when we're talking about the Dallas Cowboys. Because the thing that made news from that interview before the game yesterday was what you just alluded to. They like, Jerry called a shot.

He's like, I got a trade. And I'm not going to tell you who it is, but I can make it if I want to. And then they lose the game and he ends up making the trade anyway. As if, as Nick was pointing out earlier, the result of the game obviously had no bearing on the trade. But there was something Elsie said in the interview that I thought was worth bringing up

for this conversation today, because I think it's as direct of an admission of what Jerry is doing that makes them one team and 31 team someone else. So here's what he said to Stephen A on the radio yesterday. What you do is a little bit of my philosophy. The Dallas Cowboys probably have the kind of interest that we have in no small part because we stay out front and we stay controversial. When it gets slow, I stir that. bleep up. Fact. I just want to be relevant. I just want you to be looking at us. And so I bring

that up because I don't think it makes sense to trade away Micah Parsons and then trade for Quinn and Williams when you're 3, 5 and 1. But if you zoom out in 2022 when they won 12 games, what did they do at the deadline? Nothing. We were talking about them. 2023 when they won 12 games, what did they do at the deadline? Did they make a move to get them over the time? No, we were talking about them. But last year they were bad. They traded for that receiver mingo or whatever. Oh yeah. I forgot about that. Put her in the news for just a minute.

That was great. And then this year, this weird kind of out of nowhere big swing trade. And I like Quinn and Williams when we could talk about the football side of it. And I actually think Nick was a little harsh on it earlier and we'll get into it. But like, why is there a weird holdout every year with a star player? To make us talk about them. Like,

I don't believe that this trade is 100% motivated by football. football reasons. I feel like he justifies it because they're leading the 5 o'clock hour today. That's a good point. I think there's some truth to that. That last statement you made. But the problem with you and Nick today, and the reason y'all are so exasperated is because

you're late to the party. They have no plan. Okay? They fly by the seat of their pants. And I've known it for five, six years now. And been telling it. I mean, like, I don't expect Jerry. and I do think Jerry, and you guys would be right on that,

it's thinking, here we go. We're 3, 5, and 1. We're only a few games out. We're about to make a run. And their schedule is tough. So they got Detroit and Bebills. I think the Chiefs. But, look, I agree.

It would have been best just to keep Micah, signed him a few years ago, in fact, right? But now that they're where they are, I like Quinn and Williams as an ad. And I get it. If he were on the last year of his deal and it was like we're going for it now, it would clearly be a mistake. But bringing him into that facility for the next at least three years or so,

two, three years, I think is a good move. So I, and look, the draft, you don't know. I mean, you know you're getting in Quentin Williams a great, potentially great player who has been great just a few years ago. You don't necessarily know that in the draft. You said Mazzis Smith. Yeah. They thought he was going to be special.

He was the first round pickage on nothing. And so they got a known commodity that is only 27 years old that can be good for them for the next few years. So I think going forward it will be fine. I don't think it will save them and get them in the playoffs this year. I do think, though, there's an element where, so I, if people weren't watching earlier, I think this is abjectly insane. I think that when you look at, and I know KW, you want me to separate the Micah Trade and the Quintanwell. trade, but part of the Quentin Williams trade was potentially something they got in the

mica trade. Like they are inextricably tied. They don't make this trade without making the other one. And forget even the fact that Jerry sold us the mica trade on. We now can get four players and it looks like they're getting really one. But it is they're trading away their second rounder this year, which is right now projected to be about pick 45. The Packers first rounder that they got is projected to be around pick 25.

So that's a 20-pick difference. And the next year they are trading away the better of the Packers pick and their own pick. So it is they are swapping out Mazzie Smith and Micah Parsons for Quinn and Williams and Kenny Clark and moving up 20 spots in the draft. That is the net net of this and saving some salary cap dollars. Yes, I think that is horrific process and bad business. also think, though, Jerry has worked his magic a bit, not just in getting us to talk about him,

but because we are, because Quinnon, the last year and a half, has not been quite as good as he was early, just like Sauce. And the argument is, well, yeah, but that's because he was with some sad, bad franchise like the Jets.

He's going to be all of a sudden peak motivated because he's with the Cowboys, the 3, 5, and 1, tours coming through the locker room, bad culture, circus cowboys, now we're going to get the best Quinn and Williams? Like, I don't buy it.

They are still viewed as this prestige franchise because they are a prestige franchise. But I don't know that. I just, if we heard today the Cincinnati Bengals made this trade, I would think it would be insane. The Bengals are in the exact position. One guy's not fixing the defense.

This year is dead. Your offense is already all set and already all locked up. I don't understand it. So I think to be clear, this is an overpay for Quinn and Williams, a 27-year-old. I agree very good. But I think it's an overpay for him. Where I think Jerry would disagree with you is he would say, we have gotten four or five players for Micah Parsons because of the point that you've been bringing up, the money difference. Like, Quinn and Williams is on a four-year $96 million deal.

He's in year two of it. Micah is about to enter a five-year $210 million contract with the Packers. That's a significant difference. Since the Cowboys have traded Micah Parsons, they gave what, Osa, Odigizua an $80 million to stay. They gave DeRon Bland a bunch of money to stay. They gave Tyler Smith a bunch of money to stay. Jerry would argue he would not be able to sign those players to keep them in Dallas

if they had to give Micah Parsons $200 million. Right. What they've done is they've given. they've overpaid defensive players for a terrible defense. That's what they've done. Again, I'm not saying that the allocation of resources is correct, but to say that it's just Kenny Clark and Quinn and Williams, where Jerry would be like,

but I wouldn't be able to sign these other guys. And I don't want to get too deep in the weeds on it, but the whole idea behind this is not this coming offseason. Offseason from now, they are resigning Quinn and Williams to a deal that shatters Chris Jones is. You don't trade this for him to be on your team for a year and a half, or two and a half years. You do it because you want him there long term.

Like, yes, he will be cheaper than Micah, but the actual real money save is very temporary before his $24 million a year becomes $38 million, or whatever it's going to be. I am not shocked that the cults went for it. I think it's a mistake, but I at least understand it. I am shocked that the Cowboys were working out of trade last night that was not finalized,

then watched that game and went through with it. Can I ask you a question before we move on? Do you think if Jerry hadn't said that to Stephen A, they still make the trade? I mean, probably. I just want... Like, are we writing? I'm not ready to... I don't know.

You are ready to write off the Cowboys for this season. I just, but I feel like if the Cowboys did nothing, and again, the last night's game kind of colors our view of the Cowboys, if they did nothing, the question we would ask, surprise Cowboys didn't try to bolster their defense, that would be a fair question to ask. Like they've got a good offense that had a down game against the Cardinals, and Jacoby Brissette looked like a pro bowler.

Surprise the Cowboys just stood Pat. I mean, I guess I would have said, no, it's the smart thing to do. Yeah. Okay. You know, for this year. To be 31 and 32 and everything, I think it's odd. Oh, listen, Quinn and Williams makes their defense better. But this year, they're in 11th place.

But get him now for the next few years. Okay. Speaking of moves, your chargers did make a move to try to replace Joe Alt. They did. It was the Joe Alt injury. I don't work, Danny. Thanks, Bruce. It's not perfect.

But did that drop the chargers out of today's edition of Top 10 Tuesday? It did. Big shake up in the top 10. This is not about January. This is not benefited out for the future. Injuries are factored in. This is what I think of your team today. So a big drop for Bruce Packers coming in at number 10.

I think the Tucker craft injury is massive for them. He matters a ton for their ability in the middle of the field. Their running game doesn't look right. They're booing their kicker at home. Bryce Young had two road victories in his career, went into Lambo as a two-touchdown underdog and won. They're good. They're just not great.

They're the 10th best team in the NFL. At number nine, Wilds is Patriots. You showed it earlier. It truly is remarkable in the sixth game winning streak. Drake May has an argument to be the MVP of the league over the last six games. If you're first across the board, it could have been a bear. MVP, Caleb. I'm not staying up in night about it.

I'm not thinking about it. Caleb. It's not something I'm thinking about. It's not something I'm thinking about. Pause. Pause. Just thinking about it. You can't, you got,

that has to be inner monologue. I'm not thinking about it. You can't say that you're ever regret that they took Hale over Drake May. Everything's fine. Everything's fine. Everything's fine. Coming off one of his best games. Yikes.

It was a great game. Like I said. Ben Johnson on the show tomorrow. Coming up in number eight. The Indianapolis Colts. I think an aberration for Indy with the six giveaways. Still love the offensive line, still love Jonathan Taylor. And really, what bad loss to the Steelers?

Because you just went all in for Sauce Gardner. Would I have made that move? No, I wouldn't trade two first round picks for anyone who isn't a quarterback. I think trading two first round picks and then some for defensive players. Generally speaking, ages really poorly. But I do support the aggression. and makes them basically the most interesting team in the NFL in the second half of the season. At number seven, my NFC championship pick for the last three years, the Detroit Lions.

That was a bad performance. They got run all over. They had a kick block. Their offense did not kick in. Their offense has not been as good the last couple of games. I like that the defense is largely healthy. I think that Dan Campbell will figure it out. But allowing four touchdowns to J.J. McCarthy, I got to drop the Lions for now.

at number six. Welcome back. Let's go! Let's go! The pandering! No! The pandering! Nick, what do you hate about my authority to watch football?

Not the standings. I love it, my eye test. Not the standings. The eye test, baby. The defense is healthy, and when Lamar starts and finishes a game, I mean, it's a top three offense in football. Yeah, it is. 35 a game, six yards per play, a pass-the-rating of 141, and nine explosive plays per game. All of those are top.

top three ranks in the NFL. With a healthy defense and a healthy Lamar Jackson, Baltimore is back to being an elite team in the NFL. At number five, big fall for the Kansas City Chiefs. Again, it's not January. At least they're ahead of Baltimore. Well, yeah, they need them. Very kind of you.

They beat them. And again, this isn't January, but Mahomes' worst game, arguably, of his career against the defense that we thought was bad. And I know you saved vanilla game plan, but you lost a Saturn of betting on the chiefs in that spot. We thought they were going to be better. Wow.

I'm just saying. How much is a Saturn? Yeah, yeah. It's a Saturn. Yeah, but it's vintage. Yeah, a lot of money. At number four, the champs, the Philadelphia Eagles, rounded in the form, cannot wait for their game Monday night against the Packers,

There's a 4 v 10 matchup in Top 10 Tuesday. A couple of weeks ago, Jalen Hertz looks great, then Sequin looks great. Defense continues to improve under Vic Fangio. They keep adding little ancillary parts around the end. Still think that defense hasn't played their best football yet. Eagles a very scary football team. And now we get weird.

The Seattle Seahawks come in as the third best team in the NFL. Trivia question. How many teams in the NFL are top five in the NFL in both offense and defense? Just Seattle. Good job by you. context rules.

The Seattle Seahogs would have been weird if the answer was like. 14. Rams. Yeah, all right. I guess I gave it away. Seattle top five.

But let's dig a little deeper into the numbers here on Seattle. Points for game. Fifth. Opponents points for game. Fifth. They sack you the third most, but they get sacked the literal least.

Third best passer rating. Fifth best opponent passer rating. What don't they do well? The Seattle Seahawks come in at number three. But we are two weeks away from an NFC West matchup that I cannot wait for. The game is in LA. I trust Matt Stafford and the second place in Danny's top 10, LA Rams at number two.

I love them at number one on Bruce Ballot for MVP. The touchdown the interception ratio is ridiculous. The young defense is ridiculous. Best run organization in the NFL. They've got they've got an argument for it with two first round picks coming up in this draft. They do, Nick. I don't know. I think Philly and Kansas City probably have a pretty strong argument for the best run organization. Okay. I understand. But with their quarterback, with their ability to retool their defense, the youth on their roster, the amount of draft capital they still have. The Rams are absolutely in that conversation. And then at number one, the Buffalo Bills.

What do I have to say? I didn't know if their defense could do it. And then they did it to the best offensive football. Everyone says, why don't they trade for a receiver? I don't know because they basically score more points than any team in the NFL with Josh Allen, that offensive line and James Cook. Defense rounding into form. The bills are your best team in football.

Brew. Top 10 Tuesday. Perfect top time? Not perfect, but not bad. Before I get to the Ravens, I would probably, I think I would move the Eagles to second. Okay. Ahead of the, they obviously beat the Rams and ahead of the Seahawks. Though I really like the Seahawks. I don't mind them moving up from last week. But the Ravens. And I even bring up the addition of Draymont Jones from Cleveland, by the way. He'll help, you know, he's not great, but four and a half sacks.

his last four games. That is on pace for his career high for him. The Ravens, even as their defense has been improving, have been, they got 11 sacks in eight games. So they've been at the bottom of the league, basically, in terms of pass rush. So he'll help a little with that, and that defense is improving. And like you said, Lamar's back. And the schedule's very favorable.

So I like you. Look, not the standings. Nick talks that talk, but when the tears come out, it's kind of the stance. Ravens is not the standings. Okay, not the standings. This is just rife with errors. Whoa. Right with errors.

Listen, I'm not even going to worry about the Chief's piece of it. By your own logic, the Chiefs lost a one score game on the road to the best team in football. Why they plummet, I don't know. I mean, I am, I'm, but they were five and three. and you had him is the best team in the league a week ago. I, I am shocked and borderline appalled by your lack of faith in Justin Herbert. I can't they, they, they just won. They, they, they were on the top 10 previously.

They were number 10. And yet they're out. Why? Well, Joe Alt is out for the season. And as I said before, state of the team today. Well, okay, the Green Bay Packers lost Tucker Kraft and lost an awful game. The Chargers lose Joe Alt and win. Listen,

Packers were ranked higher. Here's the deal. Deep down, deep down, with your eye test, you've watched the Chargers and your beloved Justin Hover this year, and you're like, he's not the guy. He's kind of got the guy. It's not all about the quarterback, Nick. We haven't seen a Peyton Manning.

Exactly. You're like, he's not the guy. It's a team game. Okay. Then on that front, where the hell of the bucks? If it's a team game. About to be six and five. Okay, but what are they right now?

Six and two. Yes. And so I don't think, like you said, it's not January. It's also not December. No, it's also not November 10th. It's what days is it? November 4th. It's also not the stand.

I understand. Thank you, Drew. But what more do the Bucks need to do to prove to you? How many, the victory would help? How many teams? How many teams? Hold on. Thank you.

Am I tripping? Did the Bucks beat Seattle? Am I right about that? They beat Seattle. They did. They did the bucks? They beat someone else in your top 10, but I'm forgetting who it is. Did they beat the Rams? I can't quite remember.

How are they not in your top 10? They're not in my top 10 because injuries. No, I love Baker. All their guys are coming back. Bucky Irving's coming back. The right deck is coming. Mike Evans is not coming back. And they are in a situation where

all the one score wins that they have right now feels very unsustainable and the schedule that they are about to impart on if they come out of this upcoming stretch out of the by with New England Buffalo and the Rams and they go two and one in that stretch big public apology from me for the bucks I think those are three losses

three losses coming up for Tampa Bay I do all right it was San Francisco was the team I was thinking but they're all not in my top 10 yeah I like it yeah you know what Patriots beating the buck saved it at the end. I like that. I'm a little nervous.

Of course you should be nervous. So I guess Patriots are guaranteed to be in Danny's picks this weekend. They got to be. They're underdogs, right? So you've got the bucks losing and you're getting points. Lock that in now. Lock that in right now. Yeah.

Lock that in right now. Coming up next. More reaction to the trade deadline. Danny and Greg are the Colts Super Bowl down with Sauce Gardner. We discuss next. on first things first, overtime. We welcome you back with another trade from the Jets earlier today.

And based on the compensation, the biggest trade of the day, cornerback Sauce Gardner is going to the Colts. In return, the Jets, not one, but two first round picks and wide receiver A.D. Mitchell, an absolute blockbuster of a trade. Here's Sauce Gardner's reaction, quite simply. New York, it's been real. I'm tearing up over the emotion.

Sauce Gardner, pass a rating allowed against, not off to the best start, though no receiver has more than two catches against him so far in a single game this year. Greg, you're a big Colts guy who won the trade. Look, right now, I would go with the Colts. Now, I think if you're a Jets fan and you're looking at the trade value

that they acquired because of this, hoping that you are going to get some quality picks because of it and talent, you're going to say the Jets. But for me, what the Colts are doing right now is saying, we believe in this roster, we believe in Daniel Jones, we need to sure up what we don't have in our secondary with a player that we believe in. And given the scheme that he will now be in, given the environment that he's going to be now put in, those numbers that we just shown showed the audience. Like, I get that he has regressed, if you will, or declined in his performance.

But when you go to work every day and it is a struggle to be there, I don't care how great you are, it's going to tax you in terms of what you're going to be able to translate to the field. Now he's going to go into a situation where he believes that they think, man, I'm the missing piece

to something that can be very special. So I like this for the Colts in the interim right now. I was floored by what they gave up for him. Like, he is crazy talented and how he came into the league. It looked like he was going to change the game in some ways. And the first team all pro, you know, it's the first couple of years in the league. And I get it.

The Colts, they're 26th and passing yards allowed, right? He is a good player that fills a weakness for the team. They're trying to win a Super Bowl. I respect the logic and the aggression of it from just filling a need. But trading multiple first round picks for a non-quarterback is risky business. And it's littered with, you know, A couple of hits. Jalen Ramsey ended up winning a Super Bowl for the Rams.

Exactly. But he was gone a couple of years later. Khalil Mack had a great first year in Chicago, but not much after that. The Jamal Adams trade? A disaster. That was completely a trade. Micah Parsons will see how it ages. Giving up a wide receiver and two first round picks for a guy that you can just not target if you don't want to,

to me is a massive amount of capital. And I would be concerned if I'm the Colts, and it's like, the Jets hired Aaron Glenn. They hired a defensive coach. And maybe he got there and looked around and he was like, these guys are talented, but their reputation exceeds their actual production. A defensive coach being willing to trade away Sauce Gardner right when he gets there tells me that Sauce Gardner has maybe become a tad overrated. So that very well could be true. However, I would like to look at it and propose this. When you are Sauce Gardner and you're drafted into an organization and you have the amount of success that he has right out the gate along with Quinn and Williams, who we now know has been traded, we'll talk to about that later.

And you are in an organization where they fire your head coach, a guy that was on your side of the ball that put you in the best situation to be successful as a player. And then the guy that was then calling plays, he's no longer there. All this turnover. And you bring in a guy who Aaron Glenn, who I might like. But now I'm in a place where I'm all pro. There's a sense of entitlement. So the way that I approach work is slightly different. A new environment is necessary.

Sometimes a new environment is necessary for a reboot. And I just believe that what Sauce Gardner was, it's easy. it for us to say, you know what, he's not that anymore. Well, he's 25. I'm sure he still is a wildly talented, effective player. I just, it could work for the Colts. I feel like for the Jets, which is why I'm comfortable saying they won the trade, they were a bad defense and a losing team with them. Of course. Of course. So you could be a bad team and a bad defense on a losing team without him, and then you have a couple of first round picks and you freed up a bunch of money. I love it from the Jets perspective, and it will be very interesting to see if one cornerback can solve the past defense for the Coles.

And that's what I, they're not asking one cornerback. It feels like that because we're in the moment and they're, they've just shipped off two first round draft picks and a receiver. Yeah. That was playing. And so it feels that way. However, they're thinking, okay, if we get this piece and we get Chavarius Ward back. after the buy week. That's two pieces to our puzzle in our secondary

that will then couple together give us some insurance on the back end. I'll sign up for that. I'll say this too. Chris Bauer, the GM of the Colts, very respected. No one is being pretty conservative. Yeah.

This is a shocking trade for him to make. He must really believe that they are ready to contend with Daniel Jones. There you go. Absolutely. Okay. And I look, that's a big bat. It's a big bat. It's a huge bat. And I'm with them.

Let's go get it. To last night's game, the Cowboys fell to the Cardinals, 27, 17. They're three, five and one. Dak was sacked five times, three giveaways on offense. Defense gave up 27 points. Here's Dak after the bad lost Arizona. If I had that answer, we wouldn't be struggling to be honest with you. And not to, yeah, not to.

leave it at that, but that's what this by week's for. We've got to figure it out. Me personally, hope everybody in this team individually, and I know for sure as a staff in an organization, it's going to be about how can we improve and fix these last two weeks that are nowhere close to anything that we want to be. All right, so we're going to do kind of a state of the Cowboys thing here, Greg, because they lose last night on Monday night football. And then they wake up today and they trade for Quinn and Williams. They give up on Mazee Smith, the 2020, this year's second, next year's first, a

massive haul. So they are three, five, and one. They're the 11 seat in the NFC, but they added a 27-year-old, Uber talented defensive tackle. Mistake for the Cowboys to be buyers? No, I don't think it was a mistake for them to be buyers. Now, the timing of which they did it, some would suggest could they have done it a lot sooner? Of course. Because, and I think you, I believe you feel this way, may, you can correct me if I'm wrong. Their season's over. Oh, it's over. After last night, It's over. After last night with the standings being what they are and the teams having the wins already stacked up against them,

like their season's over. But does he make them better moving forward? Absolutely. And if you are Jerry Jones and you are trying to sell, we're a circus. We're going to always have things going on. You're going to pay attention to what we're doing as an organization, whether we're in it or not, this is what you do.

You sign a name player that you know is going to be, beneficial moving forward. Regardless of how we all feel about it, he is great for them in the run game. He's great for them in the past, past pro, or not past pro, but pass rush because of what he can provide. Got one sack this year.

Again. He's a talented player. Again, I can't stress this enough. If you don't like where you're working, you're probably not going to always put your best foot forward. I know it's sad to hear that. It's frustrating to hear that. if you're a Jets fan because it's like,

we pay you all this money, you're professional. Well, yeah, but when you have Woody Johnson and all the things that you have to go up against and contest against, you feel good the fact that you're away from that building. So I think that this is motivated by Jerry Jones wanting us to talk about them, and he wants them. He's be desperate.

He's in his early 80s. He wants them to be relevant and hyper-aggressive. Like, if they were going to trade Micah Parsons, they should have done it before the draft. So they could have used that draft capital for a pick that would help this year's team. If you're going to trade for Quinn and Williams, do it after the season so you know exactly where your draft capital is. Like, except what you are in the moment. You're the 11th seed

in the NFC. And Quinn and Williams, talented, doesn't cover anybody. You know, and so I don't think he solves all of their past defense issues. And it's an amazing deodorant because I watched last night's game and they lost that game 27 to 17. Do you know how many touchdowns their offense scored, if you carry the one, it would be one. Like, their offense also was not good. Like, there is no part of this team right now today that is truly excellent. And by the way, I like Dak Press Scott and how he's been playing. He's been playing great.

And Pickens and Lamb are talented. And Giovante Williams has had a nice year. But this is a middling team at best. So to give up significant future capital for a guy to join the 11 seed doesn't make any sense. Add him in the off season. I agree with adding him in the off season. Like, why now? Because you're about making splash.

You're about the attention. That's not a good reason. For Jerry Jones, when have we said it's a good reason? I know, but I'm trying to apply, like, is this good for the football team? It's undeniably good for the brand, but is it good for the football team to give up a first round pick and a second round pick for a 27-year-old defense? that you've got under contract for two years when this year you're missing the playoffs. Is that a good idea?

It's not for this year, no. Okay. And I don't think they made this move for this year. They made this move to move forward. And when we're looking at their offense, would you say their offense is a problem? Last night it was overall. Overall it is not.

Exactly. So everybody has a hiccup every now and again. And they did last night offensively. But moving forward, you don't believe that they're going to struggle that way that way and that magnitude offensively. And now defensively, you feel like we've taken a step in the right direction. You talked about them not having guys in the back end to cover.

But when you have guys who can get to the quarterback, move them off their spots, speed them up, you help the guys in the back end not have to cover that much longer. There's no question about that. It's complimentary. And again, it's a weird spot to be in because Quinn and Williams is good. Quinn and Williams. He's excellent. Yeah, yeah, all right.

He obviously makes them better. But you have to compare it's like, okay, you are spending money on Quinn and Williams. You are giving up a second round pick this year. You are giving up a first round pick in the 27 draft, which draft people say is one of the best drafts in a decade. Like, it's a huge acquisition cost for a very good player on a very mediocre team. A really active trade deadline. So there's a ton of moves that we haven't even discussed that we have to get to, including the Seahawks. Sneaky big move for my third best team in the NFL.

We'll get into it. All right. Let's run through a very busy trade deadline today. The Eagles got ahead of the trade deadline yesterday by trading with the Dolphins getting Jalen Phillips the edge rusher. Miami got a 2026 third round pick in return. And this comes after a few other trades earlier in the week where Jair Alexander and Michael Carter also go with Howie Roseman, maybe the most respected general manager in the NFL making three moves this week. So Greg, what do you, as you evaluated, On the whole, you could single out one if you want, but on the whole, do you like the Eagles moves? Yeah, I absolutely love it. I definitely love the Jalen Phillips move. Obviously the relationship, the tie with Vic Van Gio being down in Miami a few years ago when he was a younger player.

I'm still on a rookie contract. Obviously, he suffered a couple of injuries, Achilles and torn ACL. So he's still getting back to form. And I think he's got three sacks in his last five games. Exactly. Yeah, so he's looking more like him. And now you couple him with that defensive line.

and the guys that they got Nolan, Nolan Smith coming back. So you feel like you can establish something there. I even like the Jair Alexander, the relationship there he has with, I believe it's Christian Parker, quality control guy when he was in the Green Bay. So there's ties there that just kind of makes sense and a depth, a guy, an experienced guy in the secondary, that you can trust if he's able to get on the field and he's able to be healthy. Both of these guys, if healthy, can help this team. Yeah, Jaira Alexander to me is a little bit more name at this point.

He catches the ball. He's got great hands for a corner. But I'm with you on Phillips. Like Phillips just feels like, oh, Vic Fangio's going to get the most out of them. And more so than any player, Howie Roseman deserves the benefit of the doubt on draft picks and trades. He doesn't mean he has no misses, right?

He took Jalen Rager and not Justin Jefferson. Like everyone's got misses. Absolutely. But he is, his hit rate is higher than everyone else's, and he will make a trade today that can help in two years or he can make a trade for now. He's a very ton of job security, a GM who wins more than he loses,

and they don't have a ton of weaknesses. So these are around the edge luxury additions that I think work out very well for Philadelphia. To Seattle, a big move for a team that really has Super Bowl aspirations here. Sam Darnold gets another guy trading for Rashid Shaheed, the deep threat from the Saints, giving up a fourth and a fifth round pick in return. It's worth looking because it's like, Sam Darnold, this is how he's been on deep balls this year.

Second and yards, first in rating, tied for first in completion percentage. And you see the note at the bottom. Shaheed has over 1,000 receiving yards on deep passes. That's 20 more air yards ball travels in the air since 2019. JSN's been arguably the best receiver in football. There's no arguably. Okay. All right.

Listen, I think as long as Jamar Chase walks this earth and Justin Jefferson walks the earth, there's at least an argument. We didn't say he's the best. You said this year. This year. Sure. The production this year is ridiculous. But you get Shaheed just to take the defense. Just for safety help over the top, I feel like it helps their run game, which has been inconsistent. I love this move for Seattle.

Yeah, it's a great move. Obviously, we know what Sam Down has been able to do. And what obviously, JSN. I think this really helps. When you have a quarterback that can't put on the cape, so to speak, the way that Josh Allen does, the way that Lamar, Jacks, does the way that we expect and anticipate guys like Patrick Mahomes to do, you support them by adding guys like this, like that makes sense, that makes the overall structure of who you want to be just go in the right direction.

JSN is going to benefit from this. We thought his numbers were great now with Cooper Cup being sideline in one week, out the next, like this gives them some stability, and he's not only a guy that just can go deep. Like he can run the entire route tree. He can be inside in the slot. He can be outside. And he's a gadget guy. So they got a lot of bang for your buck with this, this pickup.

I really would have liked to see Alvin Kamara get out of New Orleans. I mean, I know he wants to be a saint for life. And I know that's respectable. And I know what you're talking about right now. What you have to say? I know. But like, I would have loved to see him. Alvin Kamara on the Chiefs, that's box office.

He's too good of a player to be on a team that's going to have a top three pick in the draft. I don't like it. But good move for Seattle. All right, let's go to Jacksonville here. More receiving help for Trevor Lawrence as Jacoby Myers moves for a fourth and, what was it, 2026, sixth round pick. So a fourth and a sixth for Jacobi Myers. Trevor Lawrence, I mean, it's kind of amazing. Two first round picks for Travis Hunter, a first round pick for Brian Thomas, a $40 million contract for Gabe Davis.

Now two more draft picks for Jacobi Myers. How much more does he need? Multiple head coaches, multiple play callers. They drafted his college teammate Travis E.TN. Like, if not, now when? This is very telling. This is very telling. The fact that they are going to go out and acquire someone like Jacobi Myers,

a guy that he's not a number one, but he can definitely be productive in an offense. We've seen them be productive in offenses that had less talent at quarterback than Trevor Lawrence. So the reason why I say it's very telling is because of all the things you just mentioned. How much more do we need to put and surround you with until we pull the plug on you? And so if this doesn't work out, the finger has to be pointed right back at Trevor Lawrence. Like, okay, you're the problem, not all these other pieces.

And I mean, I think Trevor Lawrence is obviously talented, right? He has periods of confidence. He has moments, right? And he looks the part. But then he gets down in the red zone and he gives the ball to the other team or he fumbles it consistently all the time. Like Jacoby Myers

doesn't solve that problem. Liam Cohen has not yet solved that problem. And if you're five years into your career and still doing it, I don't know when the problem gets solved. Yeah, I mean, well, we, Josh Allen had an issue throwing the ball away in the red zone too. Okay, but by year five, the guys win in playoff games.

I'm just saying. So I'm not giving up on them. You're still holding out hope. It's, this is telling. We're going to help you one time. This might be the last time. It's an unconventional way to go about getting all these receivers, too. First round picks, first round picks, contracts, in-season trades. Trading for receivers in season, it's tough.

It is. Learn the playbook, learn the terminology, learn the timing. Most of the guys, when they make the trades in season, do not make an immediate impact. That is a very good statement and understanding that you have there. You must have a player at some point in your life. Me and Brew? You and Brew? Me and Brew are the receivers on the show.

What position did you play again? It doesn't matter. No, it doesn't. All right. Well, at least the Chargers traded for a tackle to try to keep Justin Herbert up. Oh, wait. They need bodies. Yeah, they did.

Right there. Trevor Penning to the Chargers. I got to tell you, just as we go out the door here, this isn't going to be enough. This doesn't replace Joe Alt and Rashon Slater for the most pressured quarterback and the most hit quarterback in football. So do I like it for Herbert? Yeah, because something's more than nothing, but it's not enough. It's not fair what's happening to Justin Herbert. It's not fair what's happening, but I'm glad that they went out and got something.

They did something? You can't not do anything when you lost Slater and now all for the year. And Pipkins, the third tackle's been heard. You got to go and get some type of body to where you can move guys around and just have some semblance of an offensive line and continuity. And offensive linemen can make, like receivers, it's very hit or miss. It's tough. Offensive linemen, they can definitely stabilize.

something and I just hope Justin Herbert survives this season because he's playing at a ridiculous level when he is staying up right. He really is. And I know I've been on this show saying I need to see more. And it's going to require a whole lot more from Justin Herbert now that he doesn't have all as well. I mean, that game against the Titans was somehow close late. They scored 27 points. The Titans did not score an offensive touchdown and it was a one score game. It's like what more does Justin Herbert have to do? But everybody around him keeps getting injured. So, you know, this is probably yet again, not going to ultimately be his year. Maybe he's not going to be Peyton Manning until year seven, you know? I was just, I'm early, not wrong.

I'm Justin Herbert. I'm early. Right now you're wrong. Right now I'm wrong. I'm just going to say you're wrong. It's okay to be wrong. So every now and again. I wouldn't know, although my wife would disagree.

One of the most active trade deadlines in the last 15 years in the NFL, which I think is good. Like, it's good for business, interest, there should. be more trades in all sports. Who won the deadline we discussed? Coming up. Eight trades today, second most for any deadline, going back to 1990. Jets are rebuilding. The Cowboys made additions to their defense for some reason.

Wide receiver for Trevor Lawrence, wide receiver for Sam Darnold, defending champs making a few additions over the last 24 hours. Greg, who won the trade deadline and why? I would have to go with the defendant champs, the Philadelphia Eagle. Howie Roseman. Getting Jalen Phillips. Phelan Phillips. I think the addition of even Jaya Alexander is going to help them. They need depth at that corner position, depending on how much he plays, we'll see.

But with the scheme familiarity with Vic Vangio and Phillips, he can be inserted right away. He was coming on strong with the Miami Dolphins. I like what they do. They grab pieces that not only makes sense right now, but also for the future if they work out and they pan out to be great players. So I like that. Not the splashiest trades, but because of the coaches, they will fit in easily and make the jump in mid-season.

And I'll add really quickly, the fact that they held on to what we know, I don't care how you can slice it, a disgruntled AJ Brown and not letting him get out of there, I love that they just said, you know what, we believe in you, we know we need you, we're going to add some pieces, everything's going to be just fine. I agree with that. Sometimes the trade you don't make ends up being the best trade. For me, it's the Jets, and I know they're sellers, and I know it's a rebuild, and I know it's a tear down. But if you're a bad defense and a bad team with Sauce Gardner and

Quinn and Williams, you could be a bad team and a bad defense without them. And now you've got two first round picks this year and three first round picks in 2027. All right. Rebuild your team. Find your franchise quarterback. Hit on those draft picks, young cheap talent. Now, the hitting on the draft picks part is the difficult component. I understand that. But But you traded a defensive tackle and a cornerback from a bad defense. Now you are primed and locked and loaded to dominate April. Yeah, I don't mind what they did. They definitely won the deadline to a degree.

But those draft picks that are unknown is what scares me. Yeah, I mean, I've seen the Jets have three first round picks before and then still end up being bad. It has happened before. So I'm sure if anyone could do it. They could do it again. But a new day coming for the New York Jets. Exciting show. Fun to do it.

We'll be back tomorrow on first things first. Johnson joins us.