First Things First - Lamar Jackson ‘can’ outduel Patrick Mahomes, Cowboys disrespecting Micah Parsons?, BUD List

Episode Date: September 25, 2025

(0:00) Lamar Jackson vs. Patrick Mahomes, Derrick Henry worries  (24:49) Eagles ‘have something to prove’ against Bucs, Micah being disrespected by Cowboys? (40:52) Jaxson Dart have the Chargers on upset alert?  (46:03) BUD List (01:03:36) Russell Wilson trade options, Will Jordan Love have a huge game?  (01:20:31) Seahawks vs. Cardinals, Kyler or Darnold will have a big game?  (01:23:44) Chiefs “objectively” need to beat Ravens more, Eagles offensive game plan (01:45:27) Frenemies: Chiefs vs. Ravens  (01:56:24) What can the Packers prove against the Cowboys? (02:06:31) Eagles vs. Bucs, Who has the advantage?  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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No. First hour, first things first. A great new segment throughout the show. Chiefs are one and two. Hey. What's going on up? This is going. Meanwhile, they're undefeated, but the offense has been good for just about a half of football.

And the Super Bowl champions. Hey. What's going on? You notice he's at the show again. I know, he's just him, man. You guys carry it. The star power back from you, It absolutely.

And final. He has ignored me down the hallway. I haven't seen you, bro. You've been, when you have, it's been. You've seen Drew and I have had lunch together twice this week. Get out of town. Yeah. And when you weren't there, you know what we said?

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It looks express shipping. It was very expensive. Both teams wanted two, but a good one and two. No, I told them. Put that back up. He doesn't have highlights. That's just the Washington Goals picture.

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I'm not worried about our defense either. I mean, I'm very determined. It's like all the guys are to pursue excellence. That's what we do, you know. So we're not wringing our hands about it. Bitterly disappointed, sure, of course. We know we can do something about it. You go out there and you go play and you play well.

So our coaches know what they're doing. Our players know what they're doing. and we'll be out there competing. We will show up, I promise you, and we'll be ready to play. The bar is pretty low there. Ravens will be there on time. Hold on, before you even ask questions.

I like Woody. Oh, yeah. Oh, here we go. Yesterday it didn't work, but every time we talk about this game, first thing's first. Excellent. Let's go.

Just so everybody knows the stakes. Absolutely. Can Mahomes outplay Lamar Jackson? I'm offended by the question. Okay. If it said will, I would not be offended by the question. Oh, okay. I think given the level Lamar has played at this year and last year,

and the year before, for that matter, in the regular season. And the level Mahomes has played at up to this point this season, the will would be a totally fair question. Okay. The can makes it outright offensive because, They've played six times, and Mahomes has done it every single time, including last year when Lamar was great, the year before when Lamar was great,

when Mahomes was supposed, right. And so I will just quickly show America the six matchups. The first one ever was the closest Lamar ever came to, you could argue, out playing Patrick. He had the higher pass rating, the best best best rating has had in these matchups. Unfortunately for him, the defining play of the game was this one by Patrick

that he came on our show a couple years ago back when he would come on our show before Wilde took so many shots at him he won't come on anymore which he called his favorite play of his career that was a fourth down with I mean you can see it a minute left fourth down down a touchdown to save the game that they went on to win that was their first ever I gotta be honest too yeah that's so ravenous

there's like four dudes right there I mean it could have been interception so that's That's so Ravens, unironic, that's so rare. I hate to say it. That's great. That's so Raven. Yeah, it was totally ironic. The next time they played is the only time Lamar has, I'm sorry, he won the one after.

The next time they played, Patrick thoroughly outplayed him in 2019. The next time they played was the only game, or I guess I'm wrong about which one they won. My apologies, but regardless, Patrick once again, 400 yards. The 133 rating, that was a domic. That was a domination. Right. When Patrick was, he didn't win league MVP that year, but almost it. This next one has to be the one, the Ravens won.

I'm not trolling here. This is the one. I just had the order wrong. That Baltimore won. But again, that was not Lamar. Two, right. Lamar wasn't amazing in that game as far as a ball security perspective. He ran like crazy in that game.

I think he had 120 on the ground, which, is why the passer rating is what it was. And then we know the other times they've played what's happened. Again, AFC championship game. Lamar had a bunch of yards, but much like the iconic play of the first game was a play we all remember. The most notable play for the two guys from this game was, as coach would call it, this pass into the team meeting in the fourth quarter to lose the game.

And then last year, they played in week one. and once again, Patrick won and outplayed him. So the narrative has gone a bit too far if there is any matchup that exists where we are asking, can Patrick outplay the opposing team's quarterback, particularly when Patrick is going to be going against maybe the worst defense in football right now.

So yes, Patrick can outplay the wall. Was that dusty with the wording? Can? I don't know. We all okayed. It wasn't me. Of course he can. I mean, despite his mediocre statistical play over this year, last year, the year before to some degree,

he's still, over the course of his career, the best quarterback I've ever seen. And he's still in his prime. And so, yes, he absolutely can outplay anybody. Josh Allen, Lamar, whoever it might be. But I don't, on Sunday, I expect Lamar to certainly have better statistics. All right. That was interesting. You showed it because he hasn't really been great statistically against the Chiefs.

But he has, Lamar has become amazing in the regular season. He's like LeBron now. Like, LeBron never has bad games. Even for LeBron what's a bad game, it's still 25, 8, and 5 or something like that. Like his bad, Lamar, his last 18 games in the regular season, these are his numbers. It's unbelievable. 128 passes rating, 48 touchdown. That's passing, not including Russian.

48 touchdowns to three interceptions. If you look at those three interceptions, I think there's a handful of like in guys hands. Yeah, probably. His accuracy is off the charts. And then the yards per attempt, too, is phenomenal. and Nick, that pass the rate, 18 games, obviously more than a full season. That would be the record for a year. By six points.

Yeah. Like Aaron Rogers has the record for a single season, 122. And in that stretch, I think Lamar's had two games where he hasn't had a passer rating of at least 101. 128 average. Mahomes hasn't had a game with a 128 passer rating since 2023. It's like a stretch of 28 games. Is that the regular season only for Patrick? Yeah, because he did in a playoff.

But regular season, he has it. Here's where even if Lamar is better statistically, and I do expect him to be better statistically. The question is, though, like Mahomes is still great situationally. Even if he doesn't have big numbers, third down. Who's going to be better on third down conversion? Who's not going to turn the ball over, you know, have a bad turn over? or who's going to even a run.

Now, obviously Lamar is a tremendous runner, a better runner than Mahomes, but who might have that backbreaking scramble? You know, like these are the things that Mahomes has been better at and Lamar hasn't been as good at. So it's those things situationally where Mahomes, even without a big statistical day, could top Lamar. So, but I think statistically, Nick, I think Lamar is going to definitely have a better.

Well, listen, I, the, Lamar has not. not done well against Spag's defense flatly. And so I don't, you know, so I don't know that I necessarily agree that statistically is going to have a better game. I guess we'll see. I also think, and it really reared its head in that Lions game. But this year, this is not a Josh stat, this is a Knick stat. So, Josh, you can double check me on this.

There have been 21 red zone sacks in the NFL this season. You're saying what I mean? Yeah. five of Lamar Jackson, 16 by the other 31 quarterbacks. And that doesn't show up in any of those numbers of pass rating. But that's all the situation. But that's right.

And so there is an element of, you know what I mean, that part of so many of Lamar's greatest highlights that we could think of are plays where he could have, would have, should have been sacked, avoids it,

and then hits somebody. And, you know, the tax on that is some, sometimes you do end up actually getting sacked. He's not throwing the ball away. You know what I mean? He's not giving up on a play, which I think can be hugely productive and worthwhile in most of the field of play,

so to speak. In the red zone, it can hurt you. You know what I mean? Because it can take points off the border or hurt you from it. And they should be, last year they were the best red zone team in the league. This year, they're mediocre. They should be great in the red zone. KW, can I ask you something?

because you seem very, very, from pre-show to now, for a guy who praise at the altar of quarterback wins, and a huge part of your Jalen Hertz argument has been, the numbers are not irrelevant, but only of minor importance because the team is winning, you sure have abandoned Mahomes very quick. quickly because of starting 0 and 2. And it's shocking to me.

It would make more sense if you weren't so steadfast about the only quarterback stat you care about is winning. And last year he won more than any player in the league except for Jalen. The year before they won the whole thing, the year before they won the whole thing, Annie 1 League MVP. This year they started O&2. And you seem out entirely. Because my I, my Patrick Mahomes eye test is failing me.

And I want to find a reason. Maybe it's no Xavier worthy. Maybe it's no Rishi Rice. But he's completing 15. Here's Lamar and Patrick Mahomes this year. Lamar looks like the same guy he has been. He looks almost better. And the weird part is he looks, yes, he looks like a different guy in the playoffs.

And we are just like the numbers support it. Your eye supports it. his kind of demeanor supports it. Yeah. Patrick Mahomes is a different guy in the playoffs, and he looks like it, which is the last time I saw him, and he looks like a different guy than he was. Now, maybe that's just because of the receivers being out. Travis Kelsey feels like he aged a little bit more rapidly in the off

season than we had expected. But with the completion percentage of 59, that's in between Russell Wilson, who just lost his job and Michael Penix, who everybody around the league is saying, hey, what's going on with Pennix? So I wish you would focus on something other than completion percentage. Why?

Because last year when we were showing all of these Mahomes having his worst year ever graphic, what they showed was his career worst rating, yards per game, yards per attempt, and career best completion percentage. Last year, I think the only stat Patrick was top five in the league in was completion percentage. I just think that is... But 59 is unusually low. I agree. And so I don't think that's an indicator.

I know. Can I just... Pass rating. And it might be because we look at the Chiefs games through a fine-tooth comb, but missing that Taekwuan Thornton run, missing Kelsey, just like little ones that even Collinsworth is like, oh, that seems. weird. The Kelsey one seemed weird.

The Thornton one, I don't. He then, he then, he then, right? But then he made a harder one. I know. But again, but it's like, 40 seconds. And then last week that, last week he hit Thornton on back to back perfect deep bond. I know.

And so like, but there has been more. Huh. Okay. What's going on? He's looked. He hasn't looked himself. I know. I agree.

I agree with that. I, I, I've said that. But situationally, he's, like, that's where he's, even last. I don't know if the third down numbers support that. Well, last year, situationally, he was great. No, this year, because the team was terrible on third down the first two games. Yeah. Yeah, and it's a small sample size, so it's strange.

But Lamar has to. You got to get over to home. That's what, right. It was like last year with Pittsburgh. Right, but it's also, it feels also like last, like the, the, we've, the AFC championship game two years ago when the Ravens had the number three offense, The number one defense that Chiefs were. That was the first time we had seen the Chiefs struggle in a regular season. They were on the road.

It was a receiving core that was healthy, but worse than this one, it felt like you had to get over the hump there. They didn't. Then last year, they didn't even get an opportunity to get over the hump because they lost the Buffalo. Lamar has to win. Lamar has to win. You're favored. You're favored. You have to win.

It's a sad thing that he won't. Odd. One issue with the Ravens do this quickly. It's been Derek Henry's fumbling, three fumbles and three straight games. Two in the fourth quarter. He is not happy about it. Take a listen. I'm still pissed off.

Bad at myself. I'm my worst critic, so, you know, I don't try to harp on it too much. But at the same time, it's a problem that got to get fixed. So, you know, I'm working on it. I'm working as hard as I can, you know, to. you know, let this issue be resolved. And, you know, it's, it's tough right now. Just do consecutive weeks back to bat, which is crazy.

So y'all saw me in the strike because I was just like, can't believe this happened for a third time. But it's got to go back to work and, you know, push forward. Or even though it's, even though it's hard or can't nobody fix it but yourself. Okay, so here's the data, brew. 647 rushes from 23 to 24, two years. fumbles three, 2025,

45, 41 rushes, fumbles three, and he's lost two and only lost one in the previous 36 games. Are you worried? It's interesting because watching him

against Buffalo before the fumble, but just the whole game, and then that first drive against Detroit where he broke the 20-something-yard touchdown run. I really,

I'm thinking to myself is he maybe getting in the argument for like a top five running back of all time? Like he is phenomenal and his longevity. Yeah.

Like the last two years he's averaged 5.9 yards of carry. All right. So then of course after the fumbles I stopped thinking now. I said let me put that on the table for now. But to answer your question, no. I'm not worried at all.

And your numbers showed it. had maybe yours included playoffs. I had the last two years, previous two years, 605 carries three fumbles. This year he's got 41 carries three fumbles. So I think this is an aberration. Now, you know, I'm sure he's been working on just holding it high and tight and making sure every time he touches the ball,

he's not getting careless with it because guys are obviously punching at it. But he's, like I said, he's averaging 5.9 yards of carry. He's still, I see no, Nick, I see no. I don't think the fumbles are a sign of age. I think it's just happening. I don't think that's age at all. But I don't, do you see some signs of age? Because I don't.

Well, the last two games he's been bad. I'm not calling that age. I think the Browns have the best run defense in the league. He has 23 yards. You do need a hole. This still. Oh, tell that to ask you. No, I'm saying that.

That's what I'm liking. But right now, this is going to be a, this is going to pollute almost all of our NFL conversations until about week six, which is like if a team really struggles against a team, that team they struggle against will then have their stats inflated to where it's like Derek Henry couldn't run against Cleveland. So Cleveland's, a third of Cleveland's run defense stats for the year are Derek Henry struggling. But you don't think they are now a great run defense. I do.

What I'm saying is this is the, it's a cousin of the like, right, right. Right. Here's the record of the teams. The undefeated teams have played, but it's like a third of their losses came to those teams. Whatever. I mean, it's just hard to draw huge conclusions on this size of sample. If he were aging, I don't think he does that to Buffalo. I even think the first drive and even just the game period against Detroit, it's the fumbles. So I don't.

Other than the funbles, I have no problem. I didn't think the game against Detroit was very good. After the first drive, he wasn't. But that, I mean, I don't care how good you are. You need, your line needs to block. Sequin, to me, is still great. Hasn't had a great running game. No, I agree with that.

But I do think it is stark, if we look at his week one versus the last two weeks. The numbers, I don't care about the fumble so much. And here is the thing. It really is pre and post the fumble against Buffalo. Because he didn't touch the ball again after the fumble against Buffalo. Or if he did, it was, you know, minimal. And he's just been. Bad since then.

But that first drive again, I mean, again, I know it was one drive, but against Detroit. I thought he had one. You don't see that many 20-some-odd yard touchdown runs in today's NFL. He had an awesome play to score a touchdown in that first drive. What I'm saying is I think should Brew be worried about Henry a little? I'm not at all. Not at all. I mean, okay, I think that since he's been a Raven,

and this is a similar thing. Since Sequin has been an eagle, of his five worst games, three of them are the three to start this year. Since, you know, I mean, that's a little concerning. So really? So they should be worried about Sequan. A little.

Not the run game. I don't think it's a full on like, hey, what's going on? I think you can be a little worried. I also think that, yeah, I think that especially because we have seen for both of these backs and for basically all backs,

not named Emmett Smith of the last 35 years, that the year after year of super high workload, they have a dip and then can come back. We saw it with Derek Henry. Derek Henry had a dip and then came back. I mean, he's still, what, top five in rushing yards? Can I give you a reason to be worried, bro? If Patrick Mahomes fumbles the ball, I think he goes back to the sidelines, he's like, shoot.

If Derek Henry gets the ball punched out, I think that. He has no room for error anymore. You mean again? Against the thing? I thought you're talking about. No, Spags is going to be like, guys, when Derek Henry has the ball. Oh, yeah, they're going after. Yes.

But that's what teams do that all the time now. But now extra now that he's a little loose with it. And if he loses it, I think it's fair to wonder if his head is going to be in the game, if he's lost four fumbles in four straight games. Well, if he fumbles again, then, you know, you keep fumbling, sure. I thought you were going to talk about his spas and out on the sidelines because that seemed to bother you. To me, I don't mind a player getting the motion. How many times did Tom Brady break the freaking screen?

I think we looked at that differently because I thought that was a leftover emotion from week one. You thought that was an end of the moment. Because he said going into the game, he had fumbled in the last two games. So now it's three straight. So he's just like. But if he fumbles in this game, he's going to be out here looking like. Travis? Well, if he fumbles, yeah. I'm losing his mind.

If he fumbles, I don't expect him to fumble. The distinction I would draw is Brady's stuff on the sideline, Travis's stuff on the sideline, gave anger. And Derek's thing almost was like, woe is me.

Like, you know what I mean? I don't think I didn't take it as woe as me. I took it as frustration. Like, I'm pissed at myself. That's what I took it. I can't think of as woe as me. Yeah, that's what, yeah. I mean, you're upset. I'm just, I'm surprised, Brew, that you don't have any, that you have, you seem fully confident that the, and I'm not sure to bring the Eagles into it, but that the Ravens and maybe to the same extent of Eagles are going to get the same level of running back play. No, not like last year.

I don't expect, I did expect Sequin to go for about 1,500. Obviously, that looks like that's going to be a stretch. But what about Henry who had 1900 last year? I think he'll go over like 1,200. easy. Like I, and when I'm looking at, I'm looking at just him being still being a great running back. Like I said, he's averaging six yards of carry. Six yards of carry.

Six, yeah. It was nine yards in week one. It's been three yards since then. Like that's, I know it's weird. They do, they do have a good defense. The Browns have a really good defense.

The lions, I don't know that they have a really good defense. They definitely do. They shut down Derek Henry. Do the Eagles need to win? with some style. Jalen Hurts with a quote for the ages next on FS1, the Fox Sports Channel, on Sirius XM. We didn't get to Micah.

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Tampa Bay Sunday at one on Fox. I did. Great. It's an NFL draft one. I got sick all six right. Hertz has been cruising since the loss of the bucks. Back when you were chubby. But that Tampa Bay defense is it.

Loaded. Loaded. That's worse. You said bloated. I said bulking. I didn't say it. No. You said it's not.

You guys. You guys were not here for this. This was pre-workout warrior Greg Jennings when he was quote a little chubby. A little chubby. Were you? No. No.

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His wife said, you better get that weight. Roll, Jailen hurts. Rue. Stop. Hope isn't a game plan, you know, and worry and fear is in a game plan either. And so going out there and truly feeling confident in having an answer versus anything that they do, that's always, you know, always, you know, what you're striving for. Everybody wants to have this sense of security and what we're doing.

And then you have times where, you know, they kind of get you. And that's a part of the game and you learn from it and you build from that. Okay. Jalen has only one and four against the bucks. He's completed less than 60% of his passes averages more than a turnover of a game. So do the 3-0 Eagles have something to prove against Tampa Bay? prove no. But this is the last team to beat them in the regular season with Jalen playing the full game. And the last two times they've played Tampa Bay, they've gotten blown out.

And the game, blown out. Because 3316 last year, 32, 9 in the playoffs. So I don't think they have something to prove, but to themselves just look, let's, they've beaten us the last two times. Let's erase those memories in our minds and in theirs too. All right. And I think this is great for the Eagles because you're 3 and 0. You've won 17 of your last 18 games. You're coming off a big comeback win against a really good team.

You've already beaten the Chiefs in Kansas City. You could easily relax and get complacent. But not with Tampa Bay being on the schedule because of what they've done to you in the past. So I think this is great for the Eagles. I think Jalen will play well and the Eagles are going to win. Look, yes, they have something to prove. Every week starts a fresh week for coaches, and they always try to come up with a theme to kind of motivate the team.

Well, naturally, they don't need one because this team has had their number. Despite who's been in or out of the lineup when these two teams have met, the Eagles have not fared well against the Bucks. and Jalen, with the exception of the last game, has had a decent game, but he gets sacked. They get dominated in time of possession in the losses, completely dominated, and typically all but one time, the team who is able to rush the ball the best wins the game.

And so when you look at these things, you look at the bucks. Right now they're injured. They're banged up. And if you struggle with this team, a team that we all believe, and I'm sure they believe, is going to be in the playoffs. Yeah. Who they might have to go through or they might see each other again.

And when you haven't had success as a team, not individual success, but as a team, both player and Jalen Hertz, coach and Nick Ziriani, they're both a part of this. Yes, you have to prove that we can beat this team. We're better than this team. So this is so interesting because the Bucks are my Super Bowl pick. I'm probably higher on the Bucks going into the year and right now than, you know, just about anybody. And I'm probably a touch lower on the Eagles than certainly anybody on this show. Like I think they're a good team, but I think at full strength the Bucks are better. I think at full strength the Lions could be better.

Like I'm not quite as high on the Eagles as the rest of the show. And yet I think this weekend the Eagles are at such a stark advantage that I was. looking at this like the Eagles have to go out, should use this as an opportunity to go out and prove, we actually can have an opening game script that is explosive, that works, that moves the ball downfield because we haven't had that yet. Even against the Cowboys, it was jail and scrored, you know what I mean? They weren't able to throw the ball effectively down the field. First game of the year, maybe. That's what I'm talking about. The first game of the year, but that was, again, it wasn't throwing the ball. They were calling past plays, but he wasn't

seeing it and he was running. Tampa is going to be without likely three-fifths of its offensive line. Mike Evans, they are so banged up. And I know Philly's dealing with some injuries now as well, but they're not cluster injuries in one spot of them ball, that I think Philly should go into this game recognizing. Jay Allen was frustrated with last week's game plan. We saw it on the sideline.

He kind of put a little voice to it after the game. AJ Brown's been frustrated. This is an opportunity if we show the Eagles passing numbers to come out and make things easier on Saquan moving forward by improving this. Because one of my theories as to why Saquan is struggling or not being as productive is every team feels like they know, man, it doesn't matter what type of looks we give you. If we stack the box, we play single high, you're still running the ball. And if they come out, certainly early in games they are, if they come,

come out with a pass-heavy opening script, I think it will open things up for Sequin moving forward. I think that you will see lighter boxes. You will see more too high safety, and then Seacquan can pop more. Like, I look at this game as the Eagles, even though they're, and the Vegas agrees with I guess, because they're on the road against an undefeated team. They're more than a field goal favorite. As a game, the Eagles have a bit of a margin for error game plan-wise.

So I would say, you know what, Jalen and A.J. Brown, you pretty clearly. want us to lean on you a little more in these spots, we will. Because if I'm Kevin Petulow, the new offensive coordinator, I have to have the humility to say, my game plan for the Rams game was terrible. You know what I mean? My game plan for the Rams game was not the right one. We were very lucky to even be able to come back in that game. And it was because I did what I didn't want to do, which is throw the ball a ton.

Well, that would be the case against anybody, right? What do you mean? Come out and throw the ball a little bit more. Yes, that's what I'm saying. That's why I'm saying. I'm looking at it differently. You guys are looking at it more as like the Buccaneers have had the Eagles number. I think the Eagles have right now the swagger of a team.

Nobody's got our number. Somebody had to be the last team to beat us. It happened to be you. But they better win this game. I think the priority in this game, because I agree that they should throw the ball more, especially downfield. But this game is like win. This is one of those.

I don't care if they win ugly. They just need to win. And then if it comes with all that, then fine. But in this game, my priority as the Eagles would be, we just got to go get out of there with a W. But don't you think that they should feel like we can do that by throwing the ball? A little bit of like an experimentation. That's what I didn't like. I don't want to experiment.

Yeah, maybe it's been a year. But it shouldn't be, I guess my point is, and this is me, kind of, I guess, it's having a take you could have or should have, like that it should not be considered. risky or experimenting to say, hey, 50 million a year Super Bowl MVP, we're having a you-focused game plan. With a multi-time first-team all-pro receiver here, a great receiver there, a good tight-in, awesome offensive line. It is not, this isn't like, hey, Jackson, Dart, go out there.

But are they doing it? Are they doing it because that's what Tampa Bay is allowing, or are they doing it because media pressure, a little bit of Jalen, a little bit of A.J. Brown. And this is where I'm like, they have a recipe and it is working. It just doesn't look good to us. It's not what we want to see. We always want to see a little bit more because we've seen more. And I understand what you're saying.

But if the recipe works and we're able to adjust on the fly, if we need to, then I don't care what anybody is saying. I don't care if are we all bought in. Are we all into what we're trying to get accomplished? It feels like that's trying to fractal. Because the recipe didn't work against the Rams. They had to, they had, they

cooked a whole meal, and it was so bad they ordered takeout and it was delicious and everyone was happy. The recipe changed right after halftime. And like, if I'm Kevin Batulow and I'm the Eagles offensive coordinator, I cannot at least, I can't say

man, if Jordan Davis didn't get his hand up, I would be saying, all right, we need to adjust because finally the game plan, we lost a game. But because he did, I now need to act like everything went according to plan. To me, the Eagles team gets credit, massive credit for winning the game. The offensive game plan, in my opinion,

in that Rams game, was bad. And they didn't win because of it. They won despite it. That's the, you know, that's the, the distinction I would draw. Dallas, we have a problem. We traded Micah Parsons and now he's going to return to a hero's welcome. Not getting a tribute video doesn't bother him.

Take a listen. There's a lot of things I can consider disrespectful throughout this process, but I wouldn't say the tribute is one of them. I would say, you know, I just think, you know, there's hard feelings maybe there for them. But, you know, for me, I'm happy where I'm at. And we got a really good football team. So I guess I can live with my tribute and a win, I hope. Breyer reaction.

He's right on the money. Like what was disrespectful is you refusing to talk to my agent. What was disrespectful was you talking to me and thinking that that was the deal. You know, disrespectful that every other team in the league pays a future Hall of Famer and you wouldn't pay me. disrespectful to act like once I'm traded, our defense got better, even though there's no statistical evidence or I test evidence to say that. So all of that's disrespectful.

Then there were rumblings. There were some reports about locker room, you know, some players not digging Micah and all that stuff. So he's right. I don't, the video, he was only there four years. You never won a playoff game. It wasn't his fault. But, you know, it wasn't like some fantastic.

era for the Cowboys that he spearheaded. Right? I'm sorry, they won one. They won one playoff game. Yeah, it might have been the first year. They won one playoff game. But again, largely a disappointing team run during his tenure. So no, and I expect Micah to go crazy.

One, Dallas isn't that good. I think he will get multiple sacks. Wow. But more than that, he will open it up for the, and Rishin Gary, who's been getting a ton of sacks, is probably going to get another one or two. And I just think they're going to focus on Mike and try to stop him. It's going to open it up for other guys.

Yeah, so I'm cool with Micah saying this. Again, I mentioned this yesterday. Like, as players, you don't think, oh, I'm going to get a tribute video or I would love to have a tribute video. You don't even think about that. So if a team chooses to do it, so be it. However, what I can relate to and I know he feels this and you don't say it. Like, you're feeling.

feelings are hurt. Like, yes, there's a, and you take it as disrespect, and some of it may very well be, but more than even the disrespect, man, I told y'all, like, I, I pretty much told you how I felt about you. I told you I wanted to be here. I told you I wanted to do whatever it took for us to get it done. And then you just threw me away. Like, there's a, there's a feeling of your feelings are just hurt. And so, now, now. Naturally, he's going to, huh? You got dumped. Basically, naturally, you're going to want to take it out on everybody.

No, I think the, I think the, I think. That's what it's like, though. And I think we saw it, we saw it with the other future first ballot hall of famer that was traded out of the city of Dallas. He was devastated. Yes. Now, Micah's was different in that Luca was blindsided by it, where it's similar is that I've been excellent,

and I've given you no indication up to for Micah the trade request. You know, I wanted to be elsewhere. And my play hasn't dipped. I haven't dipped. And in Micah's case, while, yes, he did ask for a trade when things broke down, it also, he reminded us this was the team he grew up wanting to play. for in the Dallas Cowboys that he was so I I think that I'm really glad even the wilds made fun of you but they're being mean to you Greg they are I know I was

kidding I've known you for a decade it's different they think that they have the relationship with you they don't it's crazy he called you chubby yeah that's all right but we're understood we get that language you can't do it exactly but I think we forget the just The logistics of being traded, like, I have to move my family that part of it. And then the emotion of, man, you didn't, you actually didn't want me anymore. Yeah, man. And so I think that's a real piece of it.

You know what this is? What? Take chip. Uh-huh. I'd like to put a take chip on a part of the board that no one, that's wide open on the you know, the take roulette wheel. The take roulette wheel. No one's playing this.

bad game for Micah. Just one chip. Bad game. I know it's like he's going to be on fire. He's going to just putting it out there. Here's the. Just an invisible game. I don't think Sean Iber is not going to let or Iber flue.

He's going to double him in a lot. Yes. Sean I was like, do not let this guy beat us. So that's kind of why I think it's impossible from never bad game. That could be a good game. Because I think he's going to draw so much attention that other guys, even if he's, Even if he is not great in self, the attention he draws is going to be there and it's going to open the top. This is the benefit of playing defense.

I know. The only bad games are lost. Chargers six point favorites against New Giants, QB Jackson Dart. Harbaugh talked about Darts' aura. Take a listen. He's good. He's a good player. You can already see that on the tape that we have seen.

Presence, mobility, sees the indefiased the indes. entire field, accurate thrower, all the good things. He's got it. He's got that it factor, too. Can see that as well. You can see the it factor. That's all right. Yeah, that's all right.

Brew, you don't like this idea of the Giants putting the charges on upset alert? Are you serious? Well. No. No way, no how. That's my partner, Rob Parker would say, back on the eye couple. There is no chance the Giants and Jackson Dart are beating the charges. None.

None, brew? None. I mean, besides any given Sunday type of thing, anything can happen. This is what a rookie quarterback going against one of the best defenses in the league and a good past defense. This is what the latest rookies, all of whom essentially were held in higher esteem than Jackson Dart did in their debut. Yeah, but two of them won. two of the four won. I mean, two of the six one.

They weren't playing a Super Bowl contender. I mean, look, the passer ratings aren't good for the most part. The interceptions, no other than Drake May, shout out to you, Wiles. Nobody's really throwing a touchdown. Like, it's just a tough, and I think Jackson Dart from the little I've seen could be a good quarterback. I'm not, it's really nothing to do with him. I'm just saying a rookie going against a Super Bowl contender early in the season where they're not likely to get complacent and take a weekend off.

I just think they're not going to win. I think, I obviously think the Chargers are going to win. However, for you to say they have no chance, I think there is an element of the new coach bump that could apply here. Love it. So by that, I mean, a lot of times teams are just terrible. They fire their coach. And for that next game, they play really well.

because as it turns out, guys didn't like the coach. And sometimes that gets go to that guy, Antonio Pierce's job. You know what I mean? Like different things we've seen, and I'm not trying to pick on Antonio, but like that was. Jeff Saturday. Right. Jeff Saturday got, we've seen those things, right?

They liked Russ. I don't think they did. And I'm not talking about as a person. I'm not saying they dislike Russ as a guy. What I'm saying is I think that they were, you saw it throughout that Chiefs game, that that offense felt like, we got no shot.

And I think that they will deal with what will be inevitable rookie mistakes to just Malik Neighbors is going to feel energized. Right? Like I think that and I also think even though the numbers don't yet show it that the Giants have a good defense. And so I think a good defense at home potentially energized, I think you've got to give them a shot against the banged up Chargers team. That's all I'm saying. No. No. There will be an initial surge.

I agree with you, just like the head coach bump, the inserting of a quarterback. You've been wanting change. You've been kind of screaming for change. Your fan base has been wanting this to happen. And even the guys in the locker room. I get that. However, there's quarters to this that's going to have to be played. There's downs.

There's third downs. there's situational football. All these things are going to have to be played out by Jackson Dart. The it factor that Harbaugh is talking about is unknown. We haven't seen any of it. We saw it in the preseason. We see. We saw vibes.

We see. And that carries a little bit. And then the game starts and now your play has to carry you. So there's a lot of unknown out there. And with Jackson Dart, do I believe that Malik Named? is going to be pumped up and ready to go and all the other guys. Of course. The L.A. Chargers are going to say, you know what, stop the run.

Let's see if he can beat us. And don't let him get out the pocket. Because we know he can use his legs as well. But can he be a one, two, three, a processor. I don't think that's going to happen. And that's what you are going to try to force him to be. Listen, I think it's an uphill battle. I guess my point is, I don't know that I think the Giants' offense is that much worse than the Broncos' offense.

And I saw the Broncos offense move the ball a bit on the Chargers. Not a lot, but a bit. And so I just, I'm not putting it at zero. I'm not putting it at zero the way. You say you like that Giants defense. And we like the names, but that defense is terrible. It hasn't been good. The defense was awful against the Cowboys.

The defense was fine in week one and the defense was good in week three. Live from New York. It's a show that is. Halfway through introducing a brand new segment to the show called, hey, what's going on? What you do is if you want to play at home, you find something where you're like, hey, what's going on? You say that person's name or the phenomenon and then say, hey, what's going on? Do you want to give it a shot, Greg? I don't.

I'm not going to entertain. Give me an example. Are you going to work at you? You're going to be a way. Greg's reluctance to play the game. Hey, what's going on? Second hour, first things first. Not bad.

I tell you, no. Today, do the Cowboys have J-Lo on Dudd Watch? This is, I told Dusty wrote that. DUDD- I said, Dusty, you're gonna have problems. In your interpersonal relationships. It's not pumpkin watch. Pumpkin Watch would have been a bridge. The larger story is, Dusty is just speaks in first things first code.

No one knows what he's talking about. He's an instigator. J-Lo on Dudwatch. It's not good. Touch grass. You got to, don't say touch grass. Why, cry about it. Touch grass.

You. Meanwhile, should any team out here call the Giants to see if Russell Wilson wants to play for them? Hmm. Wish you didn't do that Kenny Pickett trade, huh? Interesting, right? Or reunion? Yeah, you like that. Cry about it.

But right now, of course, it's time to go to the post office. Who did we send this week? Christina always go. I told you Christina got a promotion. I told Christina not to go. I told her not to go to the post office. We have interns now. And she said, did you go to the post office?

No, because Christina won't let him. He's not even miced up trying to talk because he's not allowed to go to the post office. Christina let the new interns go to the post office. Dear Wilds, love the show. I thank you. It's a team effort. Since I know you are such a fan of tributes, huge fan. Do you find it strange that Micah isn't being acknowledged on his return?

to Dallas. Cheers, Don't. I actually do find it weird. We've discussed it a little bit. I think any time a great cowboy returns home deserves a... Oh, see, there we go. Who am I with? Who are these guys? That was Cooper Flag, I believe. These are just going through some of our tributes of... Why is he gone fishing? What's that one? That one didn't matter. These are all that we've... These are real long chairs.

These are ones that we've done. What's this one? Oh, that's the Brock Pearl. Boots commercial. Oh, man. That's a good one. All right. I forgot the gone fishing one. That looks great, bro.

What was the- Well, I got a great buddless for you guys. Oh, great. Number three, the Chiefs. Thank you, Bruce. The whole team. The motivation we will get from this. Yes, the Chiefs.

Oh, this might flip the game. I'm fair. I'm objective. I'm fair. I'm giving y'all some motivation. The whole team. Here it is. Are you still the Chiefs?

Oh. I mean, like, the chiefs we've come to know and love, all right? I mean, I know your fans are taking heart that you play the Chargers and the Eagles close. That's true. Am I right? Denver actually played the Chargers closer. All right. And Dallas and the Rams had the Eagles on the ropes.

So I don't know. And your win, the Giants not impressive. All right? So we're wondering, are you still the Chiefs? Now, the three Super Bowl wins was an ancient history. So you still have the mystique, at least with some of the teams. And the Ravens are one of those that appear to be, have appeared to be a bit shook in your presence. But if you lose that game, Sunday, that is gone.

Why? And if you, if the Ravens can go into your house and beat you down, going to your house and watch a movie and drink pop. Oh, the mystique is gone. And should you meet them in the postseason, it won't be pretty. And Patrick, you know, I believe in you. I mean, I was the first to call you Jordan. That's the first to call you the boat according to Sports Illustrated.

No, that's not what the sports illustrated. Greatest that sports illustrated had me as the first. This was supposed to be the year of the light show. I know. We haven't seen it. Instead, it's been more mediocrity keeping it real. Like 23rd in the league right now in passerade. We can't blame it all on the injuries. Other guys got injuries, you know, quarterbacks have their receivers injured too. So you guys know, I do believe in you guys, the Chiefs, but just not this weekend because I'm rolling with number two. No, this is undone. The Ravens. It's about, all right, look, Ravens, it's.

Now or never. I mean, this team has had your number. Lamar is one in five against the Chiefs. Derek Henry, last time you played the Chiefs, you rushed for 46 yards. All right? They broke your heart two years ago when it seemed like everything was pointing

to a Super Bowl for you guys. They left you frustrated last season when Isaiah likely didn't get the toe down. All this stuff. But those were the Super Bowl Chiefs. These are the one and two Chiefs without their best receiver. I get it. It's in Kansas City, so that'll be tough.

But still, you must pounce. This is your opportunity. And the thing is, a win over the Chiefs, to me, it'll erase that bad loss against Buffalo. It'll erase that bad loss. week against Detroit and you will start a new. Forget the tackle that turned the tie. Thank you.

It'll be the first thing's first ship that right in the ship. Oh, should you guys get that win? Lamar Harbaugh, Derek, I believe in all y'all. Marlon Humphrey, go get it. Number one. What a Bud list so far? This is a Budliss first. I think there's the first time this is ever happened.

Oh, my goodness. My buddy! No. Nick Wright. That's right. Nick Wright is on the butt list. Not even a picture of me. It's just me.

You Nick Ryan have had the good fortune of being born in Kansas City. And that's something you don't hear often. Well, that's not a blow, but I'm just kidding, Kansas City. I'm beloved there. I'm beloved there. No, you have had the good. Good fortune of being born in Kansas City. So now these past seven years have been awesome for you.

And myself and Wilds and Greg and coach have had to sit here Monday after Monday, February 10th or whatever the date will be after the Super Bowl, and eat humble pie, eat crow, just sit there. there and take it. While you have gloated, peacocked, and all of that stuff. Celebrated, put it in our face. But that might be coming to an end.

The Chiefs look vulnerable. And I know they've overcome adversity in the past. I know Mahomes is in his prime still. But Kelsey's not. The receivers, there's no Tyreek Hill, even when they get healthy. So is this. Still the same team.

And if it is not, oh my. Your 2 and 0 record in the first things, first bowl, which I didn't know was a bowl until this week. But still, your 2 and 0, I've never won it. You might lose your championship belt to me.

Wow. And I know that'd be tough to swallow after all the succession of all the bragging. Huh, isn't there something you usually say at the end? Yeah, that's a good point. Your turn. No, no, no, no. Don't you say like a Nick.

I do believe in. All right. I do believe in. Here that. All right. I feel great. I feel great. The power of the Bud list.

I'm in first. All the whole Ross Chiefs roster is third. That trumps the Ravens being in second. I feel great. I think the point spread just moved. Check it, Gianna. I bet it's down to just two on draft kings right now. I'm gonna throw the Packers offense on the Bud list.

Wow. Interesting. Yeah. Just keep on. Yes. This is, I know, take Nick off the camera. I like it. You just look, it's quite simple.

We know what type of performance you had last week against the Cleveland Browns. You gotta be better, but this isn't even about you guys really. Like this is a game down in Dallas, and there's something that we all wanna see. And the only way we can see what we really wanna see is if you guys perform. Jerry kind of alluded to this.

They hope they get out to a lead. Well, Packers' offense, I need you guys to get out to a lead. Because we really want to see Michael. We really want to see Michael pin his ears back and get after Dak. We want to see it go down in that fashion. We want to see him point up to the box looking at Jerry. The only way this happens is if we can see it early from you guys offensively. Jordan, be special.

Don't turn the ball over. You know the drill. Running game, get it going. Matt LaFleur. Be creative with your play calls. Let us see the fireworks early because what the entire football world wants to see for really the first time

is a defensive guy just wreak havoc all day long. And in this case, I think it's Sunday night, right? Yeah. So all night long. Packers' offense. I believe in you. Light up the scoreboard early because I just want to watch Micah go crazy.

I like that. Very, very good addition. Because if I'm the Cowboys, I'm trying to run as long as I can, right? They've been running the ball pretty well. Keep Mike off the field. Man, Mike is historically just known to be such an awful run defender.

Run at him. They should run at him. Right. She'd be Jvante Williams, game of his life. KW. What time is there? 412.33 on the East Coast, which means it's time. Whether you like it or not.

I can't wait for here. The sports media on Buzzman. Thank you. Kevin Wilde, as I deliver the sports media on Buzzman while in the underdress box, I really do feel underdress. This is a lot of pressure on the, this is a small box. This is a weird, I know, but it's weird. It's like when they do the player intros, instead of it being a picture, it's a moving,

they're blinking and stuff. I don't know. It's throwing me off. Here's the deal. NFL media, I fear is missing one of, if not the biggest story of this young season. Oh. So, Sunday afternoon, Eagles Rams is going on.

And if you were watching it closely, you noticed the Eagles were having a hell of a time dealing with the Rams kicking off. And because they kicked so many field goals and scored so much, you saw, oh, this is not a one-off. The Rams kicker is kicking a knuckle. ball that the Eagles just can't deal with. And they were consistently starting their drives inside the 20. If not, they didn't know what to do with it.

And then thanks to this intrepid Twitter user, it confirmed what my eyes saw, which was the Rams and Carolina, that's average yards the opponent is starting on after kickoffs. So league average is like 32. The worst in the league, or it's like 31, I should say. The worst is San Francisco. Up at the top, that tiny little bar, is the Panthers at 21 and the Rams at 21 and a half. It's like a 10-yard-per-drive difference. To which I say two things.

One is credit where it's due to the NFL. Changing the kickoff rule has worked. Teams are returning kicks, and there is a real impact on. not just giving up on it like they did last year. Last year, you got it on the 30, everyone's just kicking it into the end zone. This year, because it's the 35, there is a real benefit to having a real strategy

and plan for this. But the bigger story is, every team needs to be figuring out what the Rams and Panthers kickers are doing and copy it. Because the advantage of having teams start around the 20 versus the 35, five, no team in the league would be like, okay, it's no big deal.

By the way, every drive, we're going to commit a personal foul to start it. And it's given 15 yards. And so I actually think that is, I know it's like a simple stat. It's just yardage. It's not EPA or DVOA or completion percentage over expected. But it's a very easily digestible piece of information that I think is really impacting games. And I think it's one of the biggest stories of the season thus far. That's a good.

Great job from the sports media embudsman. That was good. Thank you, KW. I like that. More attention to the Carolina Panthers. At least to the Rams. What about the Carolina Panthers? Well, you know, I was trying to dig into the Panthers one,

and then I realized they've had so few kickoffs. It's too small of a famous school. The Patriot was watching for two hours. That media embudsman felt good, too. It was nice. Yeah. Like usually somebody's going down in the sports media. I had someone in mind, but Wilds told me I had to, quote,

pull my punches this week. Yeah. Comes into my shared office. It's going nuts. I got it off my chest and wild shared office. It would have been not good for anybody. I'm putting team celebrations briefly on the Bud List. Now look, I like a champagne celebration as much as the next guy.

You know what I mean? The Seattle Mariners clinched their playoff spot. We had it weird and wonderful. Remember the guy who tore his Achilles? Yeah. So this was Tuesday night. See they got shirts on to say October baseball because they are in. No, nobody got hurt.

They're in the playoffs. That was Tuesday night. Now Wednesday because the Astros are on a bad losing streak. Seattle actually won the AL West. Wednesday night. So let's fast forward to Wednesday. Now they have different shirts on that's a division champ. They do it again.

Same thing. They got plastic up. They got. different shirts on. They got the same champagne and no one, maybe I'm just the sour sport. But if it was Greg had a big birthday party on Tuesday night and then Nick was like,

oh, it's my birthday tonight. I'm like, sorry dude, you should have comp to those together like they did in elementary school. And I think the sports gods don't take kindly to this. And you should look around. You want to go celebrating early before the job is done. Let's suppose you're up 40 to 14 in the Super Bowl.

Oh, let's dump some caterer race. Wow. Well, next thing you know, boom, touchdown. Mariners, keep your eye on the ball, okay? You want to pop a few butt lights? Hey, we did a good job, but the job's not finished. Kobe style, sure. But let Sariani and the Eagles be a lesson.

The game is not over. I was going to support you. The team can still make a run, even though you're sitting there soaking wet. Can I add something to yours? Of course. Here's the other thing. If they win the divisional round, they'll do it again. And they would like they have you they're also get the buy they might they

might even be able to celebrate without even playing it is the team that wins the world series might end with five champagne. Champaign celebration. Playoff birth division championship division win the two playoff rounds and then the world series. And then the great. And then the parade. What are you doing?

I mean, these guys' liver is going to be in trouble. Come on. It's big champagne. We know what you're up to. That was a good one. It's too much. Have a Bud Light. Take it easy.

Have a medella. Or have Machado pour that Clase Azul in your mind. That was nice. That's pretty good. Coming up next, it's the J-Lo. I don't know what we're doing. You just want to do your segment. No.

You don't know what's going. What's going up? Hey, what's going to do? Hey, what's going on. What's up with that? Hey, what's going on? What's up with? What is it?

Hey, what? Fox NFL this Sunday, the Eagles, Sequin Barclay, Jalen Hurts, taken on the 3-0 bucks, little banged up. No Mike Evans, still will be a great game. It's Sunday at 1. Then at 4. Ooh, Jags 49ers, or the undefeated Colts

with Greg Jennings guy up against Matthew Stafford. Everybody's All-American. That's all-day Sunday on. Fox. Welcome back to the show. We have a no huddle here. A lot of stories, but no huddle. Packers are favored by a touchdown when Micah returns to Jerry World. Packers' defense has been excellent. Cowboys defense has been terrible. Here's the quote panel. Check this out. It's long. It's from the athletic. Dallas's defensive issues aren't as simple as one player or even one area on the roster, okay? The defensive line isn't getting much pressure and the Cowboys aren't blitzing. On the back end, there's been

continued communication issues and overall poor execution, leading to receivers opting being far too open. You mentioned that, for the NFL level. Changes are needed, and they have to happen quickly. Do you think all these issues guarantees that Jordan Love has a huge game?

Those issues plus that he's a very good quarterback. You're your preseason MVP. He was my preseason MVP. It's not looking great. He's still a shot, but it's early. But yeah, look, I think Jordan's, going to go in there and have a big game. He hasn't thrown for 300. I know you did this with

Rogers, but he hasn't thrown for 300 yards since week four of last season. Interesting. So he, now, of course, the last time he played the Cowboys, he was huge in that playoff game through almost 303 touchdowns. But yeah, the Cowboys have become like a QB stimulus

package. You know, I mean, everybody pick me up. That's what they are. I mean, Caleb struck, is he, is he improving? Is he not? Four touchdowns, touchdowns 142 passer rating. You know, Russell Wilson, who... That's the worst one.

Yeah, I mean, we actually thought Russ might be back. Like, Russ looked great. 450 yards almost. So, yeah, I think Jordan is going to go in there. I think especially coming off. A bunch of yards against them.

They played three games. Oh, my God. It was a one. I forgot. It was a warm up. I'm sorry. He ran week one. Week one.

But you are right. They didn't. The playoff. But they, I think Jordan, too, coming off the interception against Cleveland is going to want to make a man. So, yeah, I'm guaranteeing he's going to have a big game. Yeah, I think J.O. is going to, no, I don't do the J-Lo thing.

Don't do that. It's called on. It's legit now. It's gotten catchy. You know what he is, too? He's going to be J-Go. Oh, yeah. Sunday, Jay-go.

Jay-go. Jordan Love definitely is going to have a bounce-back game. And I would guarantee it. I'm not brew, but I would guarantee. guarantee a big game. Anytime you have a team that is struggling, you wrote, you read their quote panel. Everywhere on defense, they have too many holes to fill those voids. And so when you look at an offense who's coming off a subpar game against a really great defense and then you play a really poor defense that literally just doesn't have the personnel to stop you, you're going to try to exploit every area of that defense. and I believe that they will get their running game going, which then will allow Jordan Love to be established as a passer.

Guys are going to be running open in this game. Jordan's going to have a big game. And guess who we'll see? Micah, pin his ears back. So, listen. Can't wait. I am willing to guarantee the Packers win this game. I'm willing to guarantee that the Packers look a lot better than they did against the Browns.

I think it is incredible, it would be incredibly foolish for the Packers or for Jordan Love to have any part of the game play and be focused on him having a huge game. I think that the Packers, we have to look at the Packers right now as a team that when they are playing a team like Dallas, the only way they lose is if Jordan Love makes mistakes. and I think that Jordan Love right now, the goal needs to be as steady as can be, and if we end up in a game where a shootout is needed, I have that gear, but I'm not trying to put up crazy numbers. I'm not trying to, you know, break that 300-yard streak because I don't think that is what best serves this team. I am so wildly impressed by this Packers defense through three weeks.

I thought it was good going into the year, and then when they added Mike, I thought it could be great. And through three weeks, I do think it's great. I am retroactively more impressed by what they did week one against Detroit since we have seen Detroit in the two games

they've played since then. I thought the Packers' defense was unbelievable in week two against Jaden. I thought they were unbelievable, or really, really, really good in week three against the Browns, as good as you can be against a media, less than mediocre Brown's offense.

I think the only, The only thing that's going to trip up the Packers this year is if Jordan Love, if they try to make Jordan Love a star, is if they try to build explosive downfield passing when they don't need it. So no, I'm not willing to guarantee it because I don't think that's necessary. And I don't think it's what's best for the Packers, given the overall strength of their roster. Great, can I read you this up? Nope.

The answer is no. The answer is no. Wow. Russell Wilson was asked about potentially asking for a trade or release after being bench. Here's what he said. I think for me personally, you know, as well as I'm not done. I got so much belief in myself and no one I'm capable of. I believe I was able to show, especially, you know, on the road in Dallas.

Which team should call the Giants? If you listen to his full quote, he's actually very, I don't think we necessarily did right by. Yeah, he was like, I'm focused on the Giants, how this team can get better. I think for the sake of brevity, we made a short quote, but he was actually very, a great team. So he's going to help Dart. Yeah, it was the perfect quote from him that I want to put that on the record. So which team should call the Giants? Nobody?

Yeah, no, nobody. Look, and I know you guys are going to have your team. No. It may, look, when we look at what he was able to do against the Dallas Cowboys, Because of how bad we believe that that defense to be, we don't hold that next to anything. Like, because Caleb needed a game like that, and he's much younger, and he's a quarterback that needs to start to show that he can do that against a good defense or a bad defense, cool.

Russell Wilson, to have that performance and then to follow it up with a performance against the Chiefs in the manner of which he did in that goal-to-go situation, and just his inability to create any possible opportunity for his guys, who wants that? Who wants that? If I'm a receiver, we saw Malik neighbors in his frustration, whether that was with Daibel, whether that's because he's frustrated with the quarterback.

No, if I am a team and I'm looking for a quarterback to back my quarterback up, cool I'll take a veteran guy to come in here and show them the ropes and kind of help guide but you're doing that right now with Jackson Dart if I'm a team that is potentially going to play for something because he's not going to go somewhere where they're not playing for anything I'm not looking at Russell Wilson as the answer because I don't believe that he has enough left to be the difference maker I agree with a lot of what you said I mean I get so frustrated And you guys know I like Russ, but it's so predictable. It was the same thing in Pittsburgh, and it's the same thing with the Giants these few games.

He can only throw the moon ball. And he's really just hurling that thing up there. Or it's just dink and dunk. Like there's no real intermediate stuff. And so I hear you. But if I'm the only team I can think of and I look through all the teams is Cincinnati. I thought Jake Brownie was going to be better than this. What happened last week was just ridiculous.

He was actually pretty good last year or two years ago. If he, like maybe this one week, if he's horrible again, why? I mean, you got two great receivers. If all Russ can do is throw the long ball still, or those are guys that can run after the catch as well like Chase. So, I mean, I might look at it just to see if we can get in the playoffs and make something happen. So even, so the Bengals are the team that makes sense, right? Because they're the team that is trying to win that has a quarterback get injured. Sadly, there's likely will be another team that fits that bill here in the next six weeks.

Right. There will probably be another team that wants to be a contender whose quarterback suffers a significant injury. It'd be unlikely that Burroughs the only quarterback suffers a major injury. Whomever that team is, they still should not call the Giants. You think that he's... I think that we... The Seattle Seahawks had a great run with Russell Wilson. It then soured at the end.

They moved on. The Denver Broncos trade for him. Year one with Nat Hackett. Everyone blames Nat. Nat gets fired. Sean Payton saw 11 games of Russell Wilson and said, I will pay you to go away. Mike Tomlin brings in Russell Wilson.

He can't start the beginning of the year because of the injuries. Mike Tomlin sees eight games of Russell Wilson, says, I'd rather bring back Justin Fields, and I don't want to bring you back, and I'll bring in Aaron Rogers. Brian Davel signs Russell Wilson, sees three games of Russell Wilson, one of which was phenomenal, and is like, I'm done with you too. At some point, I think we have to come to the realization. He is not better than your backup.

He's not a starting quarterback in this league. So my answer is absolutely unequivocally none. And if I were a team that was desperate, like, oh, man, I have to get an upgrade at quarterback midway through the season. And I called the Giants. I would ask about James. No question. Before I asked about Russ. Flatly.

And so I'm not trying to be, listen, he was a great player. And I know that I didn't like kind of his general disposition, so to speak, in a time. at the end. But I am not trying to downplay the fact that of his era, he was, you know, a top eight quarterback, maybe a top six quarterback. I don't know what the, it depends on what you define his era as. But it's over, over, over. And so no, I would not, I would not call him no matter who it was. Tough one. Yikes. Why not? Fing. Fingles in Denver, Browning versus Bo Nix, if Brew had to his way it'd be Russell Wilson.

Revenge game. Bo Nix, headlines, NFL.com's Kevin Patras, nine players he believes in despite slow starts. Now, Bo has five touchdowns, but four turnovers. Wasn't great against the Titans to start.

Indy had three. Was really good until he threw a backbreaking pick at the end. And then the Chargers have a good defense. So you know, you throw, maybe you throw that one in the garbage. Nick, are you buying that Bo can turn this season around? No, listen, I think Kevin Potra and others have a little, you know, preconceived notion bias

because they also, a lot of people, I'm not saying Kevin necessarily, a lot of people swore this was Broncos team was legit contender, Bo Nix, you know, was a poise for a breakout. Sean Payton told us all of it. And the reality is that up to this point in his career, one thing is consistent about Bo Nix. If he is playing a good team, his team is cooked. And I put it. Bo Nix versus teams with a winning record.

They are 1 in 10. He has an 86 rating. He has 14 touchdowns eight picks. He's 200 yards per game. Does this like count the Colts? You like through the Colts like the 1 and 0? No, no. No.

So the way it's just for whatever it is. For last year, it's teams that finished the season with a winning record. And for this year, it's teams that currently, like the Chargers and Colts are 3 and 0. They count as winning teams. The Titans are 0 and 3. It's not your record at the time of playing them. It's at the end of the season or as far into the season. And it's not including the Week 18 game against Kansas City because that Chiefs team was not a winning team.

It was the backups. I will never understand. the smoke that was on this Broncos offense going into the year when we saw no evidence last year against good teams that they were good. And so I think it is, again, turn it around. Am I saying the Broncos are going to be looking for a quarterback this offseason? I'm not saying. That's not what I mean.

But do I think all of a sudden Bo Nix is going to rally and be a difference maker at that position in the AFC playoff race? Unequivocally no. And I'm puzzled how many people thought going into the year he would. be. I was one of those that thought at the beginning of the year that he would be and I still think he can turn it around. He's playing some poor football right now.

Let's just face it. It is what it is. And I don't think, again, I loved what Sean Payton was saying about him. You did or didn't? I did. I did because you were kind of stroking the ego, kind of pumping your team up and your quarterback. It may have been too much.

It may have been too much. And I think when you are in that type of a situation, and you have that type of a season that he did as a rookie, the last thing kind of like CJ, we all were high on CJ. Everybody's high on CJ, not necessarily his team, but they kind of showed us how high they were by what they acquired in the offseason, saying, you know, we're going to support this guy because he can get us to the promised land. When you do those types of things, you've got to be right.

And Bo Nicks, to your point, those numbers suggest that he's good enough until he, isn't until he meets somebody that's better or a team that's better. And so he just has to learn how to effectively process things and get the ball to the open guy. Be a game manager. Be what you were drafted to be. That's the part. That's why I've compared him Mack Jones. It's frustrating. Don't be what Sean Payton swore to the world you were. Be what everyone else in the NFL world thought you were going to be, which is a game manager. Because the defense is great. And Sean Payton's a good play caller. Like, just be a game manager.

Well, that's why I think he can turn it around. And I'm not saying he's going to be all pro, look like a Hall of Fame or anything like that. But I think he can turn it around. I'm sure Peyton and the coaching staff are reinforcing that. Look, just don't make the big mistakes. Our defense is phenomenal, as you said. We can score enough points with you just managing the game,

being on time, so on and so forth. And I think he can do that. You can dial it back. He clearly has come out and tried to maybe live up to the hype. but now you just dialed it back. And remember, he started badly last year. I get it. It's not the same thing.

But he started poorly last year and came on strong. We'll know soon because they got Cincinnati, obviously. Philly will be tough. And then you got the two New York teams. Giants and Giants. So those are kind of get right, get the confidence games. And then you'll be back over 500, presumably.

Look, you got the Cowboys after that too. I kind of like that. The Raiders are there. You're on you guys for upset alert for upset alert this week. That's a 10.5. 10 and a half? Well, there's 7.5 point dogs. Oh, you get the three points.

Did Caleb turn in the corner and our first look at Kevin Durant in the Rockets uniform dribbling the ball? Tomorrow, it's the highest segment in all of sports. It's upset alert. What's the scoring? I wasn't here last Friday. Where are we? You were here.

Oh, no, you weren't. Coach and Greg have 18. You have one and Brew has zero. I feel like the scoring is off. Well, you got to hit a pick. You got to hit a pick. Meanwhile, Nick's picks was two and one and is taking the lead on Danny Park.

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It's a battle between a pair of two and one teams in the NFC West, Darnal versus Kyler. Seahawks are actually favorite. Here's how the quarterbacks have fared. Who has more to prove? Those numbers aren't. This is, hold on. First of all, KW, if I may, up your energy a bit.

And second of all, give this game, give this game its proper villain. We move one thing in the show. I've been lost the whole show. That's fine. That's fine. But we look, Kate W. We have the first thing's first bowl.

This is the Kevin Wilde's ball. Seahawks Cardinals. Your guy, Sam Darnold, against your previous guy, Kyler Murray, one of your Super Bowl picks. It's the Kevin Wilde's bowl tonight. I'm telling you. It's not fair for the first thing first bowl to

just get all the, get all, this is like a good little amuse to get you ready for the first thing's first bowl. They are both good guys. Well, these are the guys we've had. Everybody makes choices. You are a huge darnal guy. You're the darned guy in the media.

Let me ask you this. If you ask sports TV fans, like, hey, who's the Patrick Mahomes guy? Do you think I'm going to get the most votes? I do. Probably. If you ask them, hey, who's the Lamar Jackson guy? There's going to be a lot of people who get votes for who's going to get the most. If you ask people who in national TV is the darnold guy, is there going to be any name said other than yours?

None. No. This is actually a game about defense. He's going to give real analysis. Let's do it. Second best. Second best defense is Mike McDonald all of a sudden. Come over from the Ravens probably maybe a little bit of that Ravens.

They actually have a decent. Yeah. And then the Cardinal, Steve George, is Gannon going to turn that around? Yeah. Yeah. Their fifth best defense. So I know we're talking about the quarterbacks because I like both of these quarterbacks. But it's actually a defensive game.

That being said, I've got Seahawks. See, this is. I think that's the right pick. Thank you. I agree it's the right pick. But also, this is how I know this is the Kevin Wilds Bowl. Why? Because you were ready with real analysis.

I'm ready. You were ready to go. You're talking about their defensive rankings. Talking about the Seahawks. You showed us a cool full screen. You are dialed in. I will say this. Whoever wins this game has to be taken seriously as a playoff team.

At least for the time being. Arizona. It doesn't feel like they should be. Yeah. But three and one. Three and one you get there. Yeah. And both of their losses are last second to the Niners.

Yeah. First thing's overtime. What are you looking forward to you about going over to Ireland? Guinness. Guinness on tap is my favorite beer in the world. And I don't really drink beer. If you had said the team that drinks together, wins together. Yeah.

Have you tried to incorporate that more? I'm not going to tell you that. I have never heard that. The team that drinks together wins together? That's a thing? I don't know. I just feel like that was just posited and Aaron Rogers has to be like, we tried to do that in Kansas City.

Yeah. together and it was just you and me. We were there. Yeah, what's up with that? Two of the four. I didn't know about the party too late. Yeah, I just found out. I'll, I'll go big time.

Add something to this real quick. Please. I had never liked Guinness ever. And I went to Hubbs' wedding, or executive producer, who married a wonderful Irish girl in Dublin, had Guinness in Ireland, drastically different than the Guinness. here. Excellent.

And I talked to him about it. They're like, oh, yeah, there's like regulations and laws about how often you clean the taps and how far it is from the keg. And the bartender saying the Guinness in the U.S., no good, but in Ireland. I think it is good here. Well, since then I've liked it here, but there it was

like a different drink. So that I'm with Rogers. I found something I agree with. I feel that way about Heineken in Europe. Well, it's fresher. Sure. It's closer to the source. But Guinness off tap in Ireland. Audeweiser and St. Louis. Yeah. Louis, Kansas City.

And you started in that rival. We're starting to show today. Ravens are in Arrowhead. Lamar only has one win against Patrick Mohn's got five losses. But that's all in the past, according to Lamar. Take a listen. You can't bring what happened back whenever we're in, you know,

to this year. We just got to lock in on what's ahead right now, you know, just getting better in practice, watch film on those guys, watch ourselves, self-scattery ourselves is get after it come Sunday. Danny, who needs this win more? 1,000 percent, objectively, the Kansas City Chiefs. Wow.

I am someone. You guys, I've been listening to you guys talk about this, and you're talking about, like, the belief that the Ravens need to have against the Chiefs if they get them in January, or you're talking about, like, the championship pedigree of the Chiefs so that if they lose, we know they will be fine. If the Ravens lose this game, everyone in the world will still think they're going to win the AFC North because of the teams in front of them. And that means if you win the division, you host a playoff game.

If the Chiefs lose this game and they are three back of the Chargers in the loss column, assuming the Chargers beat the Giants and effectively four back with the tiebreaker, we will be talking about the Chiefs as a wildcard team or missing the playoffs. or missing the playoffs. Yeah, well, so here's the thing. Right now, Nick and I know this. We gamble on sports all the time, and sometimes I do color my analysis through what the market says. Odds to make the playoffs today

before this game has even happened. The Chiefs are a two-to-one favorite to make the playoffs. The Ravens are a 12-to-one favorite to make the playoffs, meaning this game objectively means more for the Chiefs. Because if the Ravens,

Based on that, I mean, I know y'all and I couldn't care less about those odds as far as anything, any odds that are going to tell me if the Chiefs lose, which obviously I hope happens, that they're not going to make the playoffs? They will be a coin flip to make the playoffs if they lose this game. They can be a coin flip, but do you actually think that is legitimate? Yes. Okay, so that, all right, well, then as you would say, we can book that. Second of all, they won't be a coin flip to make it. If there might, we don't be like minus one. So hold on.

I agree with you that the Ravens can lose and still be alive to win their division. And if the Chiefs lose they are on life support to win the division. I totally agree with that. So doesn't that objectively make the game bigger for the Chiefs?

No, because neither one of these teams care about winning a division. All either one of these teams care about is winning a Super Bowl. And what I think is bananas from you and from the vast majority, of media, honestly, outside of me and Brew, is a total

double standard for Baltimore. This idea that Baltimore's dead last defense, which, by the way, how many teams in the history of the league have won a Super Bowl after allowing 40 in week 1, zero? Like, how many teams have won a Super Bowl in the last 30 years with a

below average, much less, dead last defense? One. Like, we, you don't, that'll just be fine. But you don't believe that the Raymonds are a dead last defense. No, well, I saw him be able to. a dead last event for 10 weeks last year. I saw him be a dead last

events for three weeks this year. I saw every, the chief's offensive struggles have players coming back. Justin Matabuque, or Namdi Matabuque, pardon me, we don't know. Like, that's a scary one where the Harbaugh won't even talk about it. I think there's real concern

sadly his season could be over. And this, but bizarre idea that Baltimore, that it's just happenstance, that Baltimore doesn't beat the Chiefs and doesn't play the best in the postseason. And eventually that'll change.

But if they look, when Baltimore is at the moment, the better team than Kansas City, the quarterback's playing better. You said on Monday that Baltimore minus two and a half was an early bet you loved. They lose this game. But no, don't worry. You play in January and they're going to feel great about it.

I don't understand it. And it is, it. They played in January and they won their division and had a home game, they would feel better than Mahomes as a wild country. Why? Why? We've never seen the Chiefs as a Wild Corp. And we had never seen the Chiefs go on the road until they went to Baltimore and beat them.

We've seen the Chiefs win in the AFC playoffs against every single person that is going to be in the AFC playoffs. We've never seen Lamar beat one of his contemporaries in the playoffs. Isn't the weird that we're in week four and you're already like, there's some better. benchmarks for the chiefs and you're already like conceding the ground of the AFC West where we like, if they go one in four and the charges are four and O. That's what I'm saying. Like that benchmark is done. No.

Like they're like, maybe they do it, but it would be a tough climb. But it feels like you are willing to concede. No, I think the chiefs are going to win this weekend. I am willing to concede that if the charges are four and O and the chiefs are one and three, that it would be incredibly unlikely for the chiefs to win the division. I am yes I do think that is true that is objectively true but what I don't understand is this and no one has explained it to me yet and the closest I've heard from you is I just think offense is more important than defense is why the chief's mediocre offense at one and two is caused for concern

more than the Ravens horrific defense at one and two especially when you melt you blend into it the Chiefs had a decidedly mediocre offense last season and made the Super Bowl and a slightly better than mediocre defense the season before and won the Super Bowl. No one has squared that circle to me other than the Ravens are more exciting to watch and therefore we believe in them more.

That's what I would say because Bruce is the biggest Ravens fan I know and he thinks that Ravens need this win more. Yeah, and I'm not as concerned as you about the Ravens' defense. Like I do think that'll get better. whether it can get top 10ish, they might not get there. But I definitely think it will become much better. So I don't have those concerns. But yeah, Danny, I mean, you're right about the division.

Like Nick said, I agree with you on that. But for these teams, yeah, you want to win the division. That's the first goal you have every year's, you know, first win the division. But they are both S-Bob. And I just, I do think like the Ravens, if they don't win this week, they'll be one in, Lamar will be one in six against the, the chiefs.

The chiefs are down. They haven't been playing that well. They are banged up a bit, as are the Ravens. But the Ravens look like the better team right now. And if they go in there and still can't beat the chiefs, it was heartbreak last year, right? With Isaiah likely and the toe.

It was heartbreak two years ago. When again, it seemed like everything was in favor of the Ravens. I just think they need, and the chiefs have been through so much that I don't think mentally they're going to be shaken at all. So I definitely think the Ravens needed more. You don't think the chiefs are going to be shaken if they're one and three? They will have lost to three of the top teams in the league. Now, they won't like it, but we've seen them come back from, you know, even last year they didn't look Super Bowl bound. they got there.

Two years ago, when they were 11 and 6, they lost five out of eight. Last year, two years ago, they lost on Christmas. And it was the, it was the mortifying loss. And the Raiders had the Mahomes blueprint. And they were the least dangerous team in the playoffs.

Like, they didn't think that. So, like, well, again, could they be wrong? But you're asking, like, will their faith be shaken? From what I've seen, and I can't get into, like, their heads.

but to see like Chris Jones kind of fired up on the sidelines. He wasn't talking about Tush Bush, about the Eagles. They've run the same thing over and over and we can't stop it. That felt like a level of frustration. The fact that Mahomes is, A,

running so much, which you used to only do in the playoffs and trying to hit guys to give the team a spark. But they didn't do that last week. He didn't run last week. No, he didn't run last week playing the Giants. I don't think what.

And then Travis Kelsey actively frustrated even at. But we have different outlooks on the whole. But those are the three pillars of the team. And what are Lamar and Derek? This is my point. What's Lamar, Derek Henry and John Harbaugh? Have those guys, this is my frustration.

Lamar is playing out of his mind. Lamar leads the league in yards per pass, touchdowns, and pass. Hold on, but you weren't right there, to be fair, you weren't talking about stats. You were talking about emotions. And if we're talking about emotions and seeming tight, Lamar seemed oddly vexed week one at the end of the game and then in week three. Derek Henry flipped out on the sideline, and John Harbaugh gets a little tight in these games. So, like, if we're going to play the body language or that game, the Chiefs absolutely right now are oppressed. They're frustrated, all those things.

My question is, what has Baltimore done to earn the benefit of the doubt that everyone's giving them but me? It is a product of their opponents. I'm not sitting here talking about body language or vibes or beliefs. Because I think we, you can't read, like, I'm not into that. Lamar has never been one in three. Mahomes has never been one in three. A team hasn't made it to the Super Bowl starting one and three since the 01 Patriots. So this will be uncharted territory for whoever loses this game on Monday,

and history will be against whoever loses for SBOP will be against it. All I am saying is, having watched the rest of the NFL, it is not just a product of more faith in Baltimore over Kansas City, because by the way, I absolutely will still think on Monday that the Chiefs, even if they lose the game, will make the playoffs. But it's, I'll think it. I'll know the Ravens will make the playoffs if they lose the game. Because of Cincinnati, because of Pittsburgh,

because of the path that the Ravens have to get there. So I just want to make sure I understand. Sure. At one in three, you are 100% confident. they're winning their division? That the Ravens will make the playoffs. Well, hold on. You were saying the path.

You feel like they're going to win the division too. No, listen, I think they will. I think that I think the weird bar of because like winning the AFC West is going to be harder that adding faith or not faith to the chiefs when we are talking, I don't think either one of these teams has to win their division. I don't think either one of these teams has to get the one seed. I think both of these teams feel like because of

Burroughs injury and because of whatever that will happen to the Texans and because it looks like the Broncos aren't the team people thought they were going to be that both of these teams could play mediocre for 15 weeks and back into the playoffs at 9 and 8 and be a hell of a team

a bummer of a team to play. I completely agree with that. But do you not agree that if the Chiefs lose they are more in danger of missing the playoffs? than if the Ravens lose, I absolutely disagree with it. Okay. Well, that's the fundamentally disagree with it.

That's the fundamental disagreement then. Wiles, with you, I agree that if the chiefs lose and dependent on if it's bad, it really looks bad, they just might not be as good anymore, but I don't think mentally they're going to have any problems. I think they're still going to believe. I'm only saying I'm not trying to be like Mr. like body language expert. The guys have, Travis Kelsey said, I'm frustrated. No, I think that means that's the worst thing in the worst. You should be frustrated.

You're pushing your, you and your coach are having a physical conversation. But again, they did that in the Super Bowl. How is that different than what Derek Henry said? That's my question. How is that different than what Lamar's frustrated? How is, how is, like that? Derek Henry fumbled the ball. And then talked about how you, how much it bothered him.

Yeah, he's in a very bad spot. Right. Okay. I totally agree. But Patrick Mahomes is. playing a different style of football that he only does when it's like, you know, got to have it moments. He's decided to like run the ball to start, you know, he's the rushing attack and hitting guys.

We haven't seen that. So it feels like there's an element of press that is being exhibited in his play. That's what I think it's weird. Like Travis Kelsey, I don't see him pressing during the games. He drops. Well, I see him, you know, getting mad on the sidelines. But like, oh, Mahomes is actually playing differently. Now, the way he plays differently manifests in, like, more aggressiveness running and physical play,

where Lamar kind of just will throw the ball, sometimes just drop the ball and throw it to the wrong teams. But, hmm. Danny King, I'm almost guys. More on this game in front of me. Again. A prime textbook example of Chiefs Ravens, two dominant teams, one in three. one in three. Hey, what's going on?

We're just trying to figure out we're doing 15 minutes. We don't know. We can't figure this up. You let that bait for 15 minutes. But it's true. You were waiting for it. It is a text when it was the perfect moment. What's going on?

Eagles, box, these teams are both 3 and 0. What's going on? Jalen Hertz talked about the game plan, what it might be and what it's not. Take a listen. Hope isn't a game plan. and worry and fears in the game plan either. And so going out there and truly feeling confident

in having an answer versus anything that they do, that's always what you're striving for. Everybody wants to have that sense of security and what we're doing. And then you have times where they kind of get you, and that's a part of the game, and you learn from it, and you build from that. If you thought that my body language expertise

was a bit too far, wait till I debut my What is Jalen trying to tell me about his jewelry choices? I've been working on that. He wears different stuff to convey different messages. What do you need to see from in this game? I'd like to see Jalen Hertz continue what he did in the second half last week. Correct. And Tampa is 3 and 0, but very easily could be 0 and 3.

Yes. Again, that's not to take anything away from it. That's same with Philly, right? Philly pretty easily could be. I mean, again, I don't think either team, I don't think either team actually could be 0 and 3, but either team could have lost a game or two along the way. Philly's played far better competition, though. I've got a great stat from Josh.

The last minute go-ahead drives for Tampa is different than Philly, especially in that game against Dallas. Want to hear my great stat from Josh? I'll read it verbatim. First game ever between 3 and 0 teams at each one, all three games by one score. There you go. Oh, there you go.

That's a fun one. Well done, Josh. Good job, Josh. Stork. But I would just, whatever Philly's offense is going to be, I feel like for style points, I know they will say it's all about winning, just win. It doesn't matter. But when you have all of the pieces, you were talking about earlier in the show, like the last

time they lost to Tampa, they didn't have Devante Smith or A.J. Brown in that game. Like, that game doesn't feel terribly. relevant if those guys aren't there. But with their offense struggling now, I'd like to see Jalen Hertz do better than Michael Pennix did against this defense. Like, here's what the quarterbacks have done against Tampa, because Tampa's defense

is ranked pretty well, and none of it's that impressive. None of that feels like it's terribly unattainable, but I would like to see Jalen Hertz. Do you need Jalen to throw him for 300? I don't know that he's throwing for 300, bro. I don't need him to, but in terms of

let's not see. the passing game start when they're down 19. Well, that... Well, they better not be down 19. Sure. Sure. Well, so throw it earlier in the game. Don't just play so conservative where you have to use it at the various.

I agree. Like, I would like to see them throw more, throw down, field more. But to me, just win this game. Well, that's Philly's whole mantra. Particularly this game, though, and obviously you're right, the receivers weren't there. But still, you've lost to Tampa the last two times. I just think you want to send a message to the bucks.

Like, look, you don't have anything on us. We treat you like we treat everybody else. So just win this game. I don't think this is the week to experiment. I agree they should do that more, but this week, just get the W. So I don't think Philly should feel like they had a good game playing last week.

I think the team that was a great win, I think that the Eagles organization should feel awesome. I think Jalen and AJ should feel great about how they rallied. I think Jordan Davis and Jalen Carter, pardon me, should feel awesome. And Siriani maybe should even be like, man, even though we did fumble the ball right after a half-time, I'm going to say I gave a great halftime speech because right after that we rallied. But Kevin Batulow and that offensive game plan, the opening script, all of that, that's the one part of like their week three grade that I would say, yeah, you failed.

what you thought would work offensively, resoundingly, historically didn't. Where you're at Gillette and you see the flash and says they have one yard and we're midway through the second quarter. Minus one passing. Right. It's not enough. And so I am not discrediting the win,

but as like this is a coach me and genie staple. Do not ignore in victory what you would not ignore in defeat. Okay. Jalen Hurts is. No, but, and again, I want to make it very clear. I'm not trying to play the what-if game, like, oh, they should be this record. But I do think if I'm Kevin Petulow, I am trying to ask myself, if Jordan Davis doesn't block that. Yeah.

And we lose that game. Am I saying I did us wrong by how conservative I was early? So I agree with Danny 100%. I think they should have a concerted effort to put on film. We will open the game. with seven straight passes if we want to. You know what I mean? We can do that because I also think,

Brew, that'll help Saquan. Right now, I think teams are acting like they don't have star receivers because they might as well not because they're not throwing it to them early. So I just, that's what, that's, I think, what's smarter for Philadelphia to do that in this spot.

The last time there was a lot of like this much hubbub. The Steelers game. So they did respond a little bit to the media pressure. Well, that was a lot. internal. I mean, that was different. That was A.J. Brown. But J. Blame the media. But J.L.N.

Brayn. People forget, A.J. Brown was like passing office to be better. Then Brain and Graham were on local radio and was like, man, those guys used to be friends. I don't know what happened. And then Jailen and Hurts came out. Is this what you guys wanted? Drew Brees. That's what you wanted to say. Coming up next, the friendliest slash meanest segment in all of sports.

It's frenemies. Danny lost last week. I did. Is it scored? Yeah. Between us. He won the I won the second week. Lord Chiefs Ravens. Yeah. I mean, he said the Giants, I think he guaranteed a Giants win. I did not.

I think you are attacking. Back in this time every week, it's Frenemies. Danny and Nick here. I feel like we just were talking about this and upset you a little bit. Which didn't upset me. I just, I'll tell you what upset me. Okay, here we go. I root for the show to be good.

I root for my friends to be smart and correct. And you, you know, you know, Your take was just so bad that it worried me. I was like, we're going over. Like, the show is not good and my friend is wrong. I feel like my take was like objectively. Yeah, no, it makes a ton of sense that two, one and two teams playing one who goes to every Super Bowl and wins half of them and one who hasn't gone to any and wins none of them. That team has more of a margin of error.

We don't have to relitigate it. Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't know that the history was. We don't have to make frenemies as bad as that last segment because of a bad take. All right, fine. Well, here is Patrick. Mahomes on the need for a high scoring offense this week against Baltimore. Because they are two and a half point favorites.

They might need to get into a shootout here. Here's Patrick on the offense. Take a listen. We're going to start faster. I think every game we've kind of said that we haven't really got to do that. And we were moving the ball early in the game last week, but we were settling with field goals. And we play teams that are really good, have dynamic quarterbacks like the Ravens do. You got to turn those into touchdowns.

Are you confident, Nick, that your squad's ready to win a shootout if necessary? Yeah, if they need to, yes. I don't think the Ravens defense is good. And I, the, you, you pulled out some Fugazi stat the other day about, it's just like, but it's just, it's like arbitrary endpoints. Like you, you put out some, it's been, I don't know, since like November of 2023. I thought it was. 400 yards, 30 points.

Well, it was, right, it was more than 30 points. And I was like, wait, they scored 32 in the 80. F. championship game, but you added the 400-yard qualifier as if that matters at all.

An explosive offense. How does it not matter? Listen, I think that with Xavier Worthy coming back, with, I think the Chiefs offense to Patrick's point, moving the ball last week

but settling for field goals, I also think with the Ravens are going to have a really hard time rushing the passer in this game, that if they need an explosive offense, they'll get one. I don't think that's what this game's going to be. I think this game is more likely to be, I think it will be more similar

to the AFC championship game, which was a defensive battle. I don't think it'll be that than it will then to Bill's Ravens Week 1, which I know everybody looks at Bill's Ravens Week 1 and because everyone is just so warped by all that matters in the NFL's offense, even though that's objectively not true. Those are two amazing teams as opposed to two amazing offenses with potentially problematic defenses, I don't think it's going to look like that. Well, listen, the Chiefs became this dynasty because of great offenses, right?

But they won their championships because they finally had good defenses. So you're a defense wins championships guy? I am certainly a, you are not going to play deep into January with a bad defense guy. See, I trust at this point in the season, this is not January.

It is not cold. It is a regular season game, right? Agreed. So I, so far from what I've seen with my eyes, watching the games. I trust Baltimore's offense more than I trust anything on Kansas City. And in that spot, I think your team's in a little bit of danger of getting blown out. And that rarely happens, but I, I said, Nick, I don't get blown. Well, actually, I put together a list for you.

Okay, sure. I love it. Of the home's blowouts. And I'm just wondering where you think this game is going to fall in on this graphic. Where's the other ones? What do you mean? Oh, that's all of them. Yeah, that's all of them. He's in year.

This is his ninth year in the league. Those are the five words. This is, no, no, no. You got them all. Those are the five games he's lost by more than 10 points. It's not, it's not sorted in any particular order. It's the whole list of, I mean, it's, I guess, biggest to least. But I'm saying, but it's, that's all of them.

That's every game he's lost. Correct. By more than, I think, nine points, certainly more than. And so what you are going to notice on that list is three of those came in a seven-week cluster. It was the seven-game cluster. The beginning of the end of 2020 and the beginning of 2021. The idea and one of them is the weirdest game ever, that 20-23 game against the Broncos. That is the weirdest.

That was a horrific Broncos team. That Chief's team was in the midst of winning another Super Bowl. That was a weird one. I can't believe you think the Chiefs can get blown out. Here's the reason, dude. Like, the last time the Ravens scored 24 or less was 10 games ago, week 13 against the Eagles, before they're by last year. The Chiefs haven't scored 25 or more the three games this year

or the three in the playoff games last year. They are not currently... Hold on, that's not true. They scored 32 in the AFC championship game. The three games leading into the playoffs, they didn't. Yeah, that's correct. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so I just, I look at it as right now, Baltimore, I trust what they are able to do offensively.

And you, a week ago, before they played the Giants, had concerns about the Chief's defense. Yeah. And so I don't think that all of a sudden playing Russell Wilson solves the concerns of the Chief's defense. This is what I think. And this is what I is just, it's not going to be able to be translated via any advanced stat or EPA or DVO or anything like that. I'm just saying in general. I believe there is a skill to forcing games to be played on your terms.

And I think the Chiefs have been brilliant across this seven years of the games fit the personality of the team that they are. When they, like, when they wanted to be high flying, it oddly made other teams. teams who weren't high flying. You know what I mean? Fast possession high flying. And the last few years, when they have not been able to be explosive, they grind the games to a hole. Nine possession games, 12 plays drives.

Right, which is what they did against Baltimore in the AFC championship game, which is what they force a game to be played on their terms, which makes them almost unblowoutable. When they did get blown out in the Super Bowl, it was not. not because the defense fell apart. That was on the offense and Patrick's mistakes and those things. And so I just, it's why the chiefs are so, and I know it's weird to say at one and two, but hard to beat because they can play as poorly as imaginable against a really good team, like the Chargers in week one, and be a third and 14 stop away from having a chance to steal the game.

They can play as poorly as they did for the first half in Philadelphia in week two and still be right there on the precipice of taking the lead. And the flip side is a team like Baltimore that can play so great for 55 minutes. Be up two scores against the bills. And then invent a loss. And so that's the difference to me from like a football fun character of these two teams. So I think a blowout is an impossibility. I think a blowout is an impossibility.

And we- You want to go three straight 0% chancellors? Well, you, I mean, last week you were trying to sell me the bill of goods that Russell Wilson might outplay Patrick Mahomes, and he lost his job because of how he played. That's what happened. That is true. I am just surprised in your faith in this year's Chief's offense.

Because I hear a lot of championship pedigree, what they've done in the playoffs in years past, and maybe with Worthy back and eventually Rishie Rice back, because I absolutely trust Mahomes and Andy Reed to figure it out in the long run. in the aggregate, I just have not seen their offense, their running game, the left side of their offensive line, their big playability. I have not seen this Chief's offense look good. Right. No, you've seen them, this is, and this is the fundamental breakdown. You've seen them look mediocre, and it's enough to panic. All you've seen the Ravens' defense be is the

worst in football, and it's like, ah, who cares? But their offense has been the best. Right, so that's, right. So, and neither part of the Chiefs. have been no but no they have been a good defense and a mediocre offense is what they've been and the Ravens defense was bad against the bills and the lions who are going to be two top five off and the and the Ravens defense was also not good against the Browns when the Browns threw for more yards ran for more yards had the ball longer got more third downs they the Browns and got a pump blocked and fumbled and turned it over all those things I the I am not arguing that this Chiefs

offense is elite or is going to be elite just by getting Xavier Worthy back. What I am arguing is that to act as if they have been awful is backed up by nothing and to ignore the fact that Baltimore has been is bananas to me. And it is, and it is not just you. It has been shocking this week to see the pretzels people are twisting themselves into, to explain why the one and two Baltimore Ravens who have never won anything. Oh, worrying about them would be crazy. And the one and two Kansas City Chiefs who have won everything, that it's panic time. The only team to have this type of run of success is the Patriots from 11 to 18 when they made eight straight conference championship games.

Four of those eight years, the Patriots started two and two. Like maybe it's not that weird for a team in the midst of this to have a rough September, even though it's weird for the chiefs. And so now we're asking these weird questions like can Mahomes outplay Lamar? He literally has every time they've played. Can the chiefs win in a shootout? They've won more of those than any team in the league over the last decade. Now, they haven't for three weeks. That is true.

They haven't been in shootouts in a couple of years. Oh, the AFC championship game against a pretty good team. They won a shootout. They won 3229 to go to their third straight Super Bowl, but that was five games. That's a long time. That's five games ago. All right. That's two won me.

Two one me. Two one. You, the game hasn't happened yet. Everybody knows. Wow. Back here on first things first, the Cowboys hosting the Packers. Sunday night, Micah Parsons makes his long anticipated return to Dallas. Here's the All-Pro on his homecoming.

Take a listen. There's a lot of things I can consider disrespectful throughout this process, but I wouldn't say the tribute is one of them. I would say, you know, I just think, you know, there's hard feelings maybe there for them. But, you know, for me, I'm happy where I'm at. And we got a really good football team. So I guess I can live you my tribute and I win, I hope. Danny Parkins, Greg Jennings, and Tehran Armstead making his first thing's first debut, 12-year pro, five-time pro bowler for the Dolphins and the Saints. Welcome. We appreciate you being here.

Thank you guys. What do you think the Packers can prove on Sunday against the Cowboys? The Packers cannot wait to make a statement after the upset loss to Cleveland. But I think this is more so for Jordan Love and what he can prove to the football world that. He's the one question mark on that Green Bay Packers team. Everything else is covered. They have the weapons. They have the defense.

But his inconsistency is the one thing that can hold them back from getting to the big dance. We've seen it time and time again with him being able to execute, put up points, but we get a game against a tough defense. He stalls. He's not able to move the ball, execute, and put up the points. So we really want to see that from Jordan Love. Him take that next step to be able to create when it's not necessarily. something in the timing of the offense.

That's what we want to see from him. And the Cowboys are not a tough defense. I was just going to say, good thing they're not playing a tough defense. So we cool there. Look, man, I have the same questions about Jordan Love, like the inconsistencies and all the things. But Les, can we give Jordan a break?

Can we cut him a little bit of slack? He threw one pick. It was a bad pick. It was a bad pick. Okay, yes. Move on. You're playing the Cowboys. Everyone eats.

Terran, you know this. You turn on the film and there are some games where you're watching the film and you see opportunities everywhere, whether it's in pass setting, run blocking, whether it's defensive holes in the secondary. And I'm looking like, this can't be real. Because if they do this on Sunday, we're going to eat. That's what the Packers are looking at.

They're going to establish their run. This is what they want to do. And then allow Jordan to get that play action going and get the guys open with that. It's not about let's see Jordan do this initially and then open it up for everybody else. No, that's not how they want to run their offense. They don't need to. They're playing the down in the slums of a defense in the Dallas Cowboys. I don't know if players think about it like this, but like when the Bears played the Cowboys, it was like, please be good.

Because the Bears haven't proven that they can be good. And then they bumslaid the Cowboys, right? The Packers, it feels like it would be all downside for them. Because if the Packers are supposed to blow out Dallas, and so if Micah doesn't eat, if Jordan Love does struggle, it's like alarm bells type of situation because Green Bay is in a different weight class. Green Bay is just, Green Bay is excited to make a statement. After the upset loss to Cleveland, they cannot wait to get that bad taste out of their mouth. We know we're judged on our last performance. Their last performance, the loss to Joe Flacco and the Cleveland Brown.

So for the Packers going into Dallas, it should be one-sided. I anticipate that. I think Michael Parsons will be playing like a man with his hair on fire. It'll be sting coming from his helmet. As he's in his stands, he wants to sack Dallas. Not necessarily that, but he wants to show and prove to Dallas

that they made their own decision. For me, it's one of them things where, yes, you expect to win and yes, there is a little downside because we in the media are going to look like, well, they didn't do what the Giants were able to do. They didn't do what the bears were able to do

offensively. Oh, it has to be Jordan Love. But every week presents a different opportunity for a defense to improve, for offense to improve, for a defense to get worse, for offense to get worse or not perform. And so I don't think the expectation, to your point, is that the pack of the Packers is going to be, let's just get a win.

It's going to be, let's make it look good on tape. You think if Micah Sacks, Dak, he does the money? No, no. You think he points to Jerry. Yeah, he got to point to Jerry, right? Yeah, I think that'd be good. News right here in New York yesterday, Jackson Dart named the starter for the Giants. They've got the Chargers on Sunday.

Here's Jim Harbaugh on the opposing quarterback and then Dart himself on the challenge. Take a listen. All the good things. He's got it. He's got that, that it factor, too. Can see that as well. I want to do my best to be a spark. You know, I want to create excitement on the field.

You know, I want to be explosive when opportunities are there. And, you know, try to, you know, just bring, you know, a little bit of swagger. Can you guys tell, like, he hasn't played? It's preseason. Like, can you tell if a guy has the it factor before he's even played a game? If I've been in the locker room. on the field with them. Yeah, you kind of know.

You kind of know when the guy has an it factor. I think in this case, from my vantage point, from our seat, the vibe that he carries that he walks with the aura, if you will, that he carries. Very hip of you. I know. You feel like there might be something to it. I got to see it. Because you can have all of that.

And then when you get in between them lines, I don't care about any of that. Can you process? Can you go one progression to two to three? Or are you going to go from one to check down? And you know, blocking for quarterbacks, specifically young quarterbacks, like if they get hit early, then that time clock speeds up immediately. So I'm interested to see it. He gives off the aura and the vibes. But we got to see the performance.

That it. That hard ball is talking about is the swag. You see the swagger from Jackson Dart. You see it is on film. This young man, he plays the game with confidence and fearlessness that you want to see from your quarterback. So for the Giants fan base, it's a lot to be excited about. To your point, Greg, we haven't seen it. We have to.

We can't give anybody any titles or labels until we see it. But from what I've seen, I watched every snap of his preseason. He hasn't thrown the NFL pass in a regular season game yet, but I saw the confidence. and himself standing tall in the pocket. He's not staring at the rush. He's not looking to just escape the rush. He's standing tall trying to deliver the ball to the playmakers. He has the confidence.

He's fearless in the pocket. That's swagger. That's the it. So I watched the preseason two. And then I watched this. Well, I listen, I'm the talker, right? I didn't play. And so I watched the press conference after he got named the starter.

We put a little super cut here together. This dude's got some serious confidence. Listen to us a little bit more of Jackson Dart here. I'm ready, so it wasn't anything extra. In all reality, you have a different, you know, responsibilities as the starter. So, I'm just locked in. The best players in the world are the ones that you are kind of involved with that word pressure. So I don't feel it in that standpoint.

You're watching film, you know, you got to know exactly what you're talking about. You got to be on your, you know, point blank period. This might be an insane call by me that I will be ridiculing myself on on Monday. Early Baker. Like just like, like, like, like Baker Mayfield came in and was just like, and he didn't know what he didn't know and like young and dumb and all that stuff. And then obviously he had a ton of growing pains. But man, that guy walked in and I was like, oh,

Baker Mayfield thinks she's the best quarterback in the world. Like that's how I, that was how my like sense of how Jackson Dart carries himself. That's fair. That's fair. I see it. And I love that. You have to have that moxie. You have to have that swaggering especially at quarterback, right? Really any position, but yeah, especially at quarterback, but any position in the NFL, you want to be yourself. You want to be you. Let your personality show, let your confidence show. You got to back it up now. Don't get me wrong. You have to back it up. Baker had his growing pains. Jackson Dart will have his growing pains for sure. But that confidence

that he oozes that you see throughout the film, that has to be there. It has to stay. So he already exudes that in and of its own self. I think because of the lack of performances that Russell Wilson has had, and then in locker rooms, I don't care what locker room you're in. There's always going to be chatter. So if you are a starting quarterback and you're the backup, and you're struggling, we're talking to you like, man, I need to, I wish they had put you in and you feel.

So the more you hear that, the more is kind of stroking your ego. So when you are up, it's like, yeah. Yeah, man, I'm ready to go. Look, because you're thinking, man, everybody in here is ready for me to be out here. I should have been out here to start. It was no question in my mind. And so now we just got to see it.

Well, and listen, I didn't like their process because it felt like they're playing DART because Russ struggled, not because DART was ready. Correct. And I just fundamentally disagree with that. But it does show that they trust the kid that they're not like holding him for the Saints game. You know, a lot of people say,

wait till you play a weaker opponent, wait till he has a bi-week to prep. They're like, no, number one range defense. It doesn't matter. They're throwing him out there. Like, that's a sign of confidence. Yeah, I also think they kind of gave in because of the pressure and the booze and not wanting to kind of get the finger on.

That's a terrible way to do it. It is. It is. But if you're Jackson Dart, you're like, I don't care how I got it. I got it. I'm taking off the Riverview Mirror. It's my time. Massive game coming up between two, three and O teams.

Baker against Jalen, who's got the edge. We get into it coming up on FTF. All right, Eagles are playing the Bull. Bucks and it's in Tampa where it's going to be hot and it's going to be humid. So Philly flew in a day early to try to get acclimated to the heat. You guys have played in all sorts of inclement weather. Terran, you were in Miami. How big of a deal is?

Is it a huge advantage for Tampa? It's a real thing. It's a real thing. It's a real thing. The weather, the humidity down in Florida, it is a real built-in advantage for the buckling. I'm sorry. What's up, G. I love how everybody forgets that I played in Miami, too.

I forget sometimes, too. You've been retired for forever. This guy can still be a left tackle in the NFL. Yes, you could. But I'm playing. All right, fine. Minnesota, Green Bay, and allegedly the dolphins. It is a thing.

You were a dolphin? I know, right? How many passes did you catch you on? How many people get? About six. Exactly. Six, seven. I just learned about this new thing.

Six or seven? I don't understand it. No, it's a thing, but I don't like when teams make it more than what it should be. Like, you still got to play ball. Just go. Show up, fall out. Yeah. Don't change my schedule.

Hydrate. Yeah, basically. Don't fly in early. Yeah. Good job. We'll see you tomorrow.