First Things First - Nick’s Chiefs beat Brou’s Ravens, Cowboys get grade after tie with Packers, Eagles offense worries?

Episode Date: September 29, 2025

(0:00) Chiefs beat Ravens, Faith restored in Kansas City? (24:42) Brou grades Cowboys following tie to Packers, Eagles concerns despite 4-0 start? (40:11) Steelers beat Vikings in Dublin, Will Pitts...burgh win the AFC North? (46:36) Chiefs are ‘back’, Concerned about Lamar Jackson and Ravens? (01:09:20) Chargers and Packers crowned too early?  (01:23:03) Will Mahomes be on Brou’s MVP Ballot?  (01:25:34) Chiefs put the league on notice, Panic time for Ravens, Stock Up, Stock Down (01:50:04) Eagles offense, Packers & Micah Parsons angry after tie (02:00:26) What did Caleb Williams prove in the Bears’ win over the Raiders? (02:06:32) Chiefs light show officially back? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Live from New York. It's the show. That told you so. Well, it's the show that told you so. The show who's here with the victor of First Things First Bowl 3. Yeah. Congratulations yet again. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:00:17 It wasn't very close. Yeah. None of them are. Much like LeVar Ball, never lost. We finally have a three-peed in the NFL. It's the First thing's First Bowl. Wow now unfortunately Whether there's sunshine there's also a little bit of rain on the other side is Brewing the Ravens
Starting point is 00:00:52 Brew Brew are you okay the first hour of first things first Didn't know he was doing stuff I thought the chiefs were washed up Maybe I'm the one that's washed up. Don't say that don't say that don't say that They treated me worse than the lions did. My arm is sore. See the bruises on my face? I can't really breathe without this oxygen mask.
Starting point is 00:01:48 And believe it or not, my hamstring is killing me. Rough day at the office, fellas. Rough day at the office. I think we have to start the show. I don't know how long he's going to beat it. I think we need to give him talk. Today, the Ravens stumble and sputter and are laid on their back.
Starting point is 00:02:18 Lamar's hurt. Where do they go from here? And as a bonus, or is the dynasty not really go away? Are we still in the midst of it? Meanwhile, Eagles undefeated. But it's ugly, and AJ Brown is literally asking the heavens for help. Bruble weigh in on that as well.
Starting point is 00:02:38 And finally, Cowboys Packers tie. But did Jerry Jones win? Alongside an upright Nick Wright, I am Kevin Wilde. Brew, are you going to be able to make it through the show today? Because Nick hasn't even really started. And I'm sure he's got a number of full screens. And there's a whole sandwich thing, I assume. Well, you know I play hurt while.
Starting point is 00:03:02 It's true. Yeah. Play through pain. That's true, but you're in a lot of it. Your shoe is, you've got those socks with the grip on the bottom so you don't fall. Drew, what'd you used to do for a living? Yeah, I wrote for the New York Times at one point, and this is what's become of me. It's unbelievable.
Starting point is 00:03:28 Ravens, what have you done to a brother? Okay. Let's start the show. We're starting with the one and three Ravens. And the first thing's first bowl, part three. It was not a good showing. The Ravens were beat up mentally and physically, and eventually, this is true. We got some Cooper Rush snaps, and when he entered the game, Tony Romo said,
Starting point is 00:03:55 we might see a spark here. That's not great. That happened. For one of the best quarterbacks of all time. Here's Horrible on the injuries and Lamar's exit. It's tough in a game like this against a really good team on the road, but you know, you got to try to find a way to win anyway. And we've never made excuses for those kind of things, and the guys who are up there are going to play well, and we've got to find ways to put our guys in the best positions to execute, play after play,
Starting point is 00:04:22 and play a winning football game. You know, that'll be our challenge. Did Lamar have come back in had it not been a free score? I really don't have the answer to that right now. Brew, how concerning was this law? Concerned. Do I look concerned? I'm not concerned in the least bit. I'm distressed. I'm distraught.
Starting point is 00:04:50 I'm alarmed. My boys are in trouble. You don't say. The defense, I knew it was bad. And the Chiefs got a boost from Xavier Worthy, but that was horrendous. They already were missing four starting defenders. Now they got three more injured in that game.
Starting point is 00:05:09 They got beat up. And then the coaching, Nick, was abysmal. They're treating Derek Henry like he's Miles Sanders. Like he's an ancillary part rather than a co-superstar. They have the greatest throwover of the football ever. He's not his passion rating the history of the league. I don't know if he doesn't hurt. Honestly, I do think at times Harbaugh is so invested
Starting point is 00:05:32 in making Lamar, making sure, you know, everybody knows Lamar can throw the football as a great passer that he forgets about Derek Henry. A PR battle? It was a fourth and one. Yeah. They're down 13, 7 in the second quarter. Fourth and one from your own 41.
Starting point is 00:05:51 And Derek Henry's not even in the game. A third and one later in the game. He's not in the game. And Tony Romo flipped out. Lamar takes a sack. They end up kicking a field goal. Well, Romo said it right in that it's not. just running Derek Henry.
Starting point is 00:06:04 It's the threat of running Derek Henry that you have to account for. And Nick, when they missed that fourth down, the Chief scored touchdown. That felt like it was over at 20 to 7. And, you know, they came back, scored and made it 2010, but it felt like it was over. And then Lamar.
Starting point is 00:06:20 Lamar said it a few years ago. And he was right. He can deny it. But it looks like he knows it in his mind. For the time being, the Chiefs are indeed his krypton no turnovers in the first three games of the year, two in this game. And when he was sitting there before he was out of the game,
Starting point is 00:06:41 on the sideline looking at the iPad, it felt to me like, I felt like I could be, that felt like it wasn't even anything on the iPad. Like it just felt like it was body like he was just frustrated. He was, it looked like the last ways he wanted to be in the world was Kansas City playing in the football game. I totally agree with you. So they got a lot of work to do.
Starting point is 00:07:06 Look, they're my pick. You know, we don't change our picks. I'm riding with them to the wheels fall off. But the lug net and everything is, the reels are wobbly, Nick. So listen, I think people incorrectly feel that what was confirmed in that game is that the Ravens' biggest concern is their defense. I disagree with that because what was confirmed in that game was
Starting point is 00:07:37 even if they get the defense fixed they are not getting MVP Lamar when the chips are down and I know every it's an annual tradition I am a hater, I'm unfair I'm weird towards Lamar
Starting point is 00:07:53 when I have no reason to be and then either the postseason comes around or a game against Kansas City comes around and it's like oh, maybe the annoying guy's on to something. And nobody likes the comp. We all wince at the comp, but everybody watched that game and watch Lamar,
Starting point is 00:08:12 who never throws picks. In fact, the last 30 games for Lamar, can we show you his only multi-turnover games? Hmm, must be a coincidence. The last 30 games. And in fact, if we show you the seven picks he has thrown, in the last 25 games, which is unbelievable. The four regular season ones last year,
Starting point is 00:08:37 roll them if we can, dust. People are right. They're unlucky. That hits a receiver in the hands. That's not a bad throw. This hits a receiver in the hands. That's not a bad throw. These are other teams.
Starting point is 00:08:51 Right, yeah, yeah. These are regular season last year. That looks like a catch, but it was stolen. And this one, Bateman stops running. We can, you know, that's, No, but I remember that. Okay, none of those. So this is, by the way, that's every pick, okay?
Starting point is 00:09:05 Now Dust Show the three postseason and last night. None of them look like that. Yeah. Or last year, this. The fumble was even worse. Right. Or last night. This is nuts.
Starting point is 00:09:23 This, it's first down. You're ahead. It's seven to three on first and ten. Like that. And those three. games and we stop rolling it. You know what it also has in common? Bad fumble.
Starting point is 00:09:35 So you can't at some point, as much as people hate to admit it, I wasn't wrong about this comp. I'm sorry, guys. An all-time legendary first ballot Hall of Fame MVP performer that you simply can't trust when the chips are down. He doesn't look good in that rocket uniform. He doesn't look good in the Rockets uniform. And James Hardin doesn't look.
Starting point is 00:09:59 Hardle. It's awesome. You can't, you can't, at this point, you can't, that's fair. I'm hoping, and I bet Lamar fans are hoping, I'm hoping it's more, and LeBron obviously didn't fail as much as Harden, but that is more LeBron where he struggled against Dallas in the finals, maybe the year before against Boston, and then overcame it. That's what I'm hoping. Lamar, I hope he overcomes it in legendary fashion like LeBron did.
Starting point is 00:10:26 And listen, the defense got banked. more banged up during the game, as you mentioned. And that might be a tipping point for them over the next month in the regular season. But they're, as far as this ability to like, yeah, falling out of the playoff race, you know what I mean in the short term. But I have been aghast surveying today's media landscape at how many people who were fully confident. They knew the Ravens injury report going into the game.
Starting point is 00:10:57 And were fully confident. that that defense without Matabuki, without Van Noy, with Xavier Worthy coming back, that they were going to be able to shut down or at least stymie the Chief's offense, that the only blowout possible was the other direction. Today, acting like the Ravens of the first team ever to lose a couple guys during a game to injury
Starting point is 00:11:17 and be like, well, what do you want? There's nothing that we can make of that game. They're down all their guys. They weren't down offensive players. Ronnie Stanley went out. But they weren't, like, if they had lost that game, 3735, then we say, okay, you know what I mean? Maybe it's the injuries.
Starting point is 00:11:33 That offense did not look like the Ravens offense, and I feel like I know why. Well, Spagnola really had Lamar confused. I mean, he was beyond confused. And yeah, without Ronnie Stanley, they didn't have much defense against the pass rush, but still, it took, Lamar was just out of sorts. Run Derek Henry. Even when you're down, they had plenty of time left. They could have run Derrick.
Starting point is 00:11:58 Eric Henry. And they've never, and last year, obviously, they were fantastic offensively. But they, it feels like they've never fully, there were plenty of games last season where they had a rhythm between the two of them. But it feels like the coaching staff has never fully kind of figured out how to use them both to the best of their ability. This is not brain surgery. No, no, but that's what I talked about, Harbaugh. It's like he just wants Lamar to throw it so much. I mean, Henry had 1900 yards. He had eight. So here's Derek Henry this year. This has been an all year thing. I felt like we were hot last year. At Buffalo, hey, you had an offensive explosion where you're rolling. Cleveland, we chalked it up to, you know what, it's hard to run on the Browns. Same with, same with the Lions. We had 23 yards, 50 yards against the Lions. And then yesterday, eight rushes for 42 yards. It's his third straight game with 50 or fewer. That hasn't happened since 2018. And what was crazy is he had four. He had four for 32, Brew. Immediately.
Starting point is 00:12:59 Yeah. On that opening drive, you know what I mean? And then they didn't, they went away from it. All right. Ravens. Last thing, with that defense, you would think, maybe let's go ball control offense and just ground the grounded pound. Because against Buffalo, at times against Buffalo, they scored too fast for that defense. Yeah, but you, you know, it's a carball hot seat.
Starting point is 00:13:20 Is the greatest. I mean, look, he will get another job somewhere. Wow. We're on another job. No, I mean, this should be. the season because if it doesn't work, if they go out, I still feel confident they'll make the playoffs assuming Lamar's not hurt and going to miss games. But they are, if they go out unceremoniously in the playoffs, you have to look at a coaching team. And that's, you have to.
Starting point is 00:13:46 That's right. I didn't mean that that's going to set us off. I've got to do the Chiefs. That's fine. Are you excited to do the Chiefs? Sure. Let's do it. Okay. Harbaugh's future in Miami. As for the Chiefs, Xavier Worthy returned and so did the championship vibe at Arrow ahead. Mahomes goes for 270 and four touchdowns. Here he was after the game. He's just so explosive. You mean, you just see it. When you get into the football on his hands, man, it just makes the defenses have to adjust. And when they adjust, it's like he gets so much attention on him. Other guys can make plays happen. And so just having them out there, not only for his physical ability, but just the morale of the room, I thought it was huge.
Starting point is 00:14:21 Now, sometimes for these questions, we also put it on the bar so you can play along at home. So we're going to say faith restored. dumb question. Why would we put that on the bar? Only fools, liars, or charlatans lost faith in the greatest team with the greatest player and one of the greatest coaches in the history of the league because they played a few bad quarters. So, like, they didn't
Starting point is 00:14:42 actually lose. Brue didn't lose faith. I didn't lose faith. Correct. Brut didn't lose faith. And Wilds isn't a fool. Now, maybe a charlatan. We'll find out over the course of this segment. But to everyone else in the media, you feel a little ridiculous, don't you? You stepped on that same rake again. You were like, I'm not going to step on it next year. And then a
Starting point is 00:14:58 couple of quarters, couple shaky quarters against the Philadelphia Eagles and the Los Angeles charges. You're like, you know what? That rake looks awful delicious. Now, the chiefs have done so much for me. And now they've done something else. Wow. Because I was so excited about my team being the first only everlasting three-peat in the NFL.
Starting point is 00:15:22 And they came up short. In fact, they came up short in kind of historic fashion, embarrassing fashion. and then it, you know, carried over to the beginning of next season. And then they made it up by making sure there was a three-peat in the NFL. Guys, the NFL's first three-piece, first thing's first bowl. One, two, and three. I beat them to it. I think that bowl is going to end.
Starting point is 00:15:46 I got to tell you. Pretty much. Well, and here is the things. A banner of yourself is wild. What do you mean? Especially the fact that you call the producers. What's the idea for the bear? It's like, the second one, me.
Starting point is 00:16:00 I asked them actually to put brew in the hospital bed on the bottom of it. They said that was too me. Oh, guys, just please, please, time capsule the takes. The Chargers run the AFC West now. Okay, we'll see. Not every team can go to the Meadowlands and get a win. The Chiefs can. Evidently, the Chargers can't.
Starting point is 00:16:20 The only blowout available is for Baltimore. All it took was the Chiefs to get half of their receiving core back. And they look like the Chiefs again. Oh, Nick, everybody does that to the Ravens. And we crown their asses the moment they do it. Josh Allen does it to the Ravens.
Starting point is 00:16:39 He's playing the position at the highest level ever ever seen it. Jared Goff and the Lions do it to the Ravens and they're totally back and never miss Ben Johnson. And by the way, despite those teams scoring 41 and 38, nobody did it to the Ravens quite like the Chiefs did. Because
Starting point is 00:16:54 through three quarters, the Chiefs have 30. They had scored on every drive except for a missed field goal, move the ball up and down the field, and then they took their foot off the gas. Lions and bills were in real games with the Ravens. So don't, like, yes, the Chiefs took a minute to get it together after a crushing Super Bowl loss and losing Xavier Worthy, who, like I said, was the centerpiece of the week one game plan and it threw that game off. And now he's back and now two more weeks until Rishie Rice gets back. So I hope you got the takes off while the getting was good because the chiefs
Starting point is 00:17:29 are still the chiefs guys. Yeah, and like Nick said, I never lost faith. I felt even if they had lost his game, they were going to make the playoffs. I didn't think they, I thought the Ravens would win, but I thought, I never said they weren't a legit Super Bowl contender. I never said they were
Starting point is 00:17:45 in danger missing the playoffs, even if they had lost yesterday. And they looked great. Now again, we'll see, I guess, going forward how much of that was the Ravens defense, but they looked phenomenal and it was Mahomes was great and he's played solid all year but he was great yesterday
Starting point is 00:18:01 Xavier Worthy made all the difference in the world I mean obviously he opened he himself was the deep threat as was Thornton again but it opens so much up underneath Kelsey looked like the regular Travis Kelsey all of a sudden and not to mention Juju
Starting point is 00:18:19 and Hollywood Brown getting stuff underneath it opened up the run game you know Pacheco's running people over like they look great. And here's the other thing, Nick, the defense. Because again, people thought, I mean, Baltimore was averaging 37 points a game against three of the top defenses we think in the league. And the Chiefs, like, similar to what they did in the AFC championship game two years ago,
Starting point is 00:18:44 they just shut them down. Other than that first drive, that was that first drive. Baltimore went down and scored. And after that, yeah, the Chiefs. they're back they're definitely back you know I'm beloved in Kansas City
Starting point is 00:18:59 part of me thinks that it's a little bit odd that you can have I think the Ravens defense is either terrible or the Chiefs are back but it's hard to have both of those ideas living in my head at the same time
Starting point is 00:19:14 why a great so we're not saying they're going to average 30 points a game DUSC you show like the Ravens defense this year it's not like an OK defensive team. But you knew that going into the game and you picked Baltimore.
Starting point is 00:19:30 I told I 100 percent. I thought that Lamar was going to be Lamar. And you didn't think the chiefs could score 35. And I did not think the chiefs could score 35 points. That being said, once I saw this, I was like, oh, I just can't, I'm not ready to say full-throatedly that like the chiefs are totally back. But I guess it feels a little bit to me, it's like, oh, are the Ravens like a get right team? Like you want to play you want to get your offense right? Like, Have a nice workout against the Baltimore Ravens. Okay, but so listen, I mean, I predicted this take. I asked you last week if the Chiefs win but the offense doesn't hum,
Starting point is 00:20:05 are you going to say, well, yeah, but you couldn't even score against the Ravens. And you said unequivocally, no, it's Baltimore as long as they win. It's great. They score 37 and they put him backups in the fourth quarter. And you want to, yeah, butt it. That's fine. I just want to see. I probably want to see a little bit more.
Starting point is 00:20:26 But who is the team? Like the bills, we saw the bills and the Ravens play, and the bills are the best team in the conference, right? The bill's offense looked demonstrably better in the chief's offense. I don't think so. They had 25 points five minutes left in that game. That's the thing. They've played two good offensive teams, you know, Detroit and Buffalo,
Starting point is 00:20:44 and they both scored. Around the Cs. Yeah, and so. It's very confusing. I'm just saying I'm not willing to say like, that's right. They are back 100%. Yeah, I don't think they're going to be the highest scoring team to lead the rest of the way.
Starting point is 00:20:56 I'm not arguing that. I think what I feel when we say they're back, I'm saying, Nick, they're an elite Super Bowl. Like the ultra elite. Them, Philly, like a handful of teams, they're right up there. Yes. And before this game, I think people really weren't thinking they were there. KW, also, here's the other reason it should make sense to you. There is a seminal moment where everything.
Starting point is 00:21:20 No. No. No. KW? No. I'm taking it. We go into a lot of stuff. I'm going to be like, oh, good point.
Starting point is 00:21:27 No. Okay, let me give you the statistical evidence, and then let me show you how much I truly believe this. Because when I walked into your office today, after I'd been gone from the show for about, or from the building for about 90 minutes, and I said, I made a rash decision. You're about to see how much I believe this take. No, you didn't. Can you just relax? Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:21:53 So the Chief's season, was there a moment where it changed? Does it have a catchy title? Like the tackle that turned the tide? I don't know. Can we show you? Well, there's Patrick Mahomes before and after. The tackle that turned the tide. Ten quarters, two touchdowns, six quarters, five touchdowns.
Starting point is 00:22:15 What about the Chief's offense as a whole because the funk really started in the Super Bowl? Well, in 14 quarters before the tackle that turned the tide, for less than 20 minutes, Mullins had seven touchdowns and 82 pass rating. They scored less than two points of possession. Since the tackle that turned the tide, Mooms has, they've led for 64 minutes. He has a 124 rating.
Starting point is 00:22:34 Yeah. So obviously, guys, I'm dropping a banner about the tackle that turned the tie. But that's not all I'm doing. No, did not. Oh, wow. I, guys. No way.
Starting point is 00:22:48 When I know I know. And if people forgot last year, or a couple years ago, I knew the chiefs were going to go back to back and win the Super Bowl. And I got undefeated. 20 and 0. I think it was.
Starting point is 00:23:04 I think it was. This says never a doubt. Yep. And Brew was like, oh, you can hedge that because you can be like about your wife. Yeah. Sure. A tackle that turn the tide is tough. That turn the tide.
Starting point is 00:23:17 Wow. Now, that is the purple is from the stencil because if, anyone's ever gotten a tattoo. Hold on that, is that a real, I don't know, isn't supposed to have saran wrap on it? I had to take it off for the show. The tackle that, you did not get that. I think Ramsey just scribbled that on his eye.
Starting point is 00:23:33 I don't know, it looks really beautiful. Try, Ramsey can- Try, you guys, you guys didn't believe this one. This one, you can still see the purple from the- If you got a tattoo that says the tackle that turned, I don't want to hurt your feelings, because if it's permanent, like, that actually looks cool.
Starting point is 00:23:50 You laughed, you laughed at the past heard around the one. world, it didn't catch on because I didn't fully commit. Never a doubt. Four months after the never a doubt tattoo, Patrick Mahomes is tweeting out after the Super Bowl. That has a doubt. People say never. Never a doubt is everywhere. You just wait
Starting point is 00:24:06 till Jim Nance says, you know everyone was talking about the tackle that turn of the time. It could catch on. I like it. They keep rolling. It's a good boat. I told you it was happening. Now let's talk about your dumb team. No, we're not. Wow, we're not talking about your dumb team? Not yet. I don't know which way. The Eagles or the Patriots.
Starting point is 00:24:22 No, because we ran out of time because we had to talk about the tackle that turned the tide. Let's catch you on, you know. What grade will Professor Brassard give the Cowboys and will he be back in this emergency room bet? This made me happy.
Starting point is 00:24:36 I was happy I could talk about it. I was very worried. I had to let the crowd know. Thank you. Hey, check out the podcast if you get a chance in our YouTube channel has a bunch of exclusive content that Gianna is doing. Thank you, Gianna. You're doing a fantastic job.
Starting point is 00:24:51 Right now, She really is. I know, that's why I said it. I wasn't being sarcastic. He had to Tampa Bay. Eagles jumped out to a nice lead and then didn't do anything. It's such a weird team. Jalen hurts, throws, he threw for zero yards.
Starting point is 00:25:09 Zero. Now the good news is- In the second half. Yeah, second half. The Eagles also have zero losses. So that's good. Here's Jaylon. I think we were in a good place at 2-2 last year. said to it and two last year. We had a lot of opportunity in front of us. I think we're in a good
Starting point is 00:25:27 place now. You guys may look at the record and say, well, you know, be a hound for negativity in some regard, but, you know, regardless of where you are when you're just early in the season, you're still searching to try and elevate and play to a standard and play to a standard of execution. And so great opportunity in front of us as a team to continue to be. bill, continue to grow. I kind of love that. Meanwhile, A.J. Brown is tweeting the scripture, bro. If you're not welcome, not listen to, quietly withdraw.
Starting point is 00:26:03 Don't make a scene. Shrug your shoulders and be on the way. Now, it's a can't make fun of it. He's quoting the Bible, so everyone tread carefully. I'm glad to season his word. That's a little out of context. That was when Jesus sent the disciples out to preach the gospel. He wasn't talking about sports.
Starting point is 00:26:22 targets or whatever. You want the question. Yeah. Thank you. Fair to be worried about the 4-0. Honestly, I'm going to say no. Like, why? Their 4-0, their last three wins have been against Super Bowl contenders.
Starting point is 00:26:45 And I get, they should have a standard and look at their game and say, we got to improve, we got to improve. But as far as A.J. Brown, I'm either ignoring him. He had nine targets yesterday. I know, but they're fake targets. Some of them, he wasn't open. Some of them wasn't open. Some of me wasn't open. They tried to force it to him. But he got some targets.
Starting point is 00:27:06 And here's my thing, coach. As hard as it is to win games in the NFL, I don't think you can get into style points and things like that. Now, again, you need to look and say, look, guys, we really aren't playing well. Fortunately, we've been winning. but let's improve this. Let's execute this better. But I think the two years ago
Starting point is 00:27:26 when they fell into the supernatural funk, it was because they bought into, well, yeah, we're 10 and 1, but the wins have been ugly. They've been too close. We haven't played well. And eventually, I caught up to them. The Chiefs last year,
Starting point is 00:27:40 I mean, they knew they needed to play better, but they weren't buying. I don't remember a ton of press conferences. No, they're like, they're like, yeah, we're not playing well. That, you, it's so tough to, win that if you keep winning, you should be happy with that,
Starting point is 00:27:54 even as you continue to work on your weakness. Coach, can I show you this graphic that speaks to Bru. This century, Josh, I love when you do this century stuff. It makes it feel very long. 4 and 0 with each win by one score. Like you said, Brew is last year's Cheats won, lost the Super Bowl.
Starting point is 00:28:11 The Jets lost a divisional round and the Vikings lost the NFC Conference Championship. So, I don't know. This bodes well. Although everything is ugly. I don't know that I agree that bodes well. You don't think so? Why?
Starting point is 00:28:23 The Jets only. No, no, no, because only the, like, the Eagles want to get back to the Super Bowl. What that shows is that it's rare and only one of the teams that did it got to the Super Bowl. I don't think it bodes terribly, but I don't think it bodes well. I like that. Missed Super Bowl. Okay. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:37 Or miss, excuse me, miss playoffs I get nervous about. Nothing says go away quietly like posting on X. Right. Let me quote the Bible and talk about going away quietly, but make sure that every. Everybody knows that I'm going away quietly. There's nothing quiet about that. So here's where my concern is. Last year, when the book came out, remember,
Starting point is 00:29:00 and they did that great piece on how he used the book on the sideline for motivation. It was such a good piece, really insightful. I got that bookmarked at home. So that happened during the playoffs. So that was a long, long time into the season. Now we're week four, and we've already at the quotes and the, the discontent. And to me, if they give into this, that's going to create the problem.
Starting point is 00:29:28 If they start feeding this complaining, that's going to create the problem. Would everybody in Philly be happier if they lost a game, but A.J. Brown had 15 catches. Like, AJ would be happy, but would anybody else be happy? So we can't, hold on. Go ahead. Are you going to go away quietly? No, no, no. I'm going to answer your question about would everybody else be happy?
Starting point is 00:29:51 And the answer is maybe. So here is the thing. First of all, because what's going on in Philadelphia right now, this isn't concerned trolling. This is historically unprecedented. Like Jalen Hertz just had a game that we haven't seen since Jake Delome, where you threw that much in the second half, you don't complete a pass.
Starting point is 00:30:08 If we show you their first half, second half this week, dust, what you see is that should be impossible. And then when you realize it's back-to-back games like this, just in reverse order. Yes. Eagles play a normal game challenge impossible. Like first, like, so that is, so here is. And they hung 30 out of them.
Starting point is 00:30:29 No, no, no. So here is, so here is where I will today. Because I complimented the Eagles last week. Wilds didn't take it as this when I said they're the new chiefs. As far as even when you win, you get nitpicked, the close, whatever. Take a page out of the chiefs two years ago when they were the defending champions playbook. and practice. Use part of the games as practice,
Starting point is 00:30:58 even if it might, maybe it costs you a game, but work on this stuff not just to satiate A.J. Brown, but also to get better at it. How about we work? I think that's smart, but let's work on that against some of the lesser teams. Why don't we work on that in practice?
Starting point is 00:31:20 Because it's not, because that doesn't make A.J. Brown happy. And I understand it. Coach, coach, listen, I understand this is not the platonic ideal for a wide receiver to help you go win a Super Bowl. But it's the wide receiver you got. And he's one of the greatest in the history of your franchise as far as the all pros, the prolificness, all of it. And if you are trying to get through another 15, 17 games together, you need to do it. And that Chiefs team that you guys gave me a hard time on that I said was practicing was the one that lost games in the middle of the year that did have to go on the road. And then in the playoffs, knew everything they could do and play every different type of way that they needed to play.
Starting point is 00:32:05 If you're Philly, because they are a great team. And like I still have some concerns about the defense, but Dijin keeps getting better and better. like the so you you have a little regular season wiggle room and what you can't in my opinion afford is the week seven j glazer fox nfl sunday report of a j brown is requesting a trade to where maybe back to tennessee no no back to tennessee to his old code he wants to Exactly, Ray wants him to go. But, like, do you understand? I agree.
Starting point is 00:32:44 That's, to me, like, Coach, I was going to say, he was doing this last year, and they won the Super Bowl. To me, where it becomes really problematic is if he does request a trade. That's when it really becomes a fact. But isn't there's all sorts of, I don't know if you're up on the Eagles cap situation, but I thought it was, like, very punitive to trade A.J. Brown? I bet it is. I don't think A.J. Brown is that concerned about how punitive it would be for Howie Rosenen. I'm not even saying they necessarily would trade him.
Starting point is 00:33:11 I'm saying once a player requests a trade. So do you think mid-season, if they're undefeated, that A.J. Brown would say, I would rather go to a team that's probably not going to make the playoffs, but I'm going to get that many more catches. He tweeted that way. He literally three days after the Super Bowl put on Instagram, I'm paraphrasing, I didn't ask the producers to pull it,
Starting point is 00:33:32 and I'm not unfairly paraphrasing. I thought winning a Super Bowl would make me happy. Turns out I was wrong. What makes me happy is seeing a Dback demoralized from me crushing him. Like, he told us what makes him go. And he is trying to.
Starting point is 00:33:50 And this is where I give A.J. Brown, I try to give him praise. They've got an extra first on graphics. He said they're willing to do something big. He's trying, he's right now control, like, doing, he's trying to be a good teammate. Honestly, he's like, out of all the Bible verses,
Starting point is 00:34:07 I'm not, right. I'm not, I'm not. I'm not throwing a tantrum. I'm not mouthing off to reporters. But he's that frustrated. And they're undefeated. That's the other thing. How does this work out if Baker doesn't throw that pick?
Starting point is 00:34:21 You know what I mean? If one of these games had they lost, like is the only reason it's not a real tipping point is because, yes, we're winning. Like, they're not going to go undefeated. Last year, when they threw all those passes, we didn't have to debate, you know, what it would be like if they were undefeated
Starting point is 00:34:37 because they weren't. they were two and two. It didn't work out that great. All right. More on the Eagles shortly. We've got to get to Bruce's grade here. Cowboys Packers ends in a tie. Dak has four total touchdowns, 319 yards.
Starting point is 00:34:50 George Pickens has the best day as a cowboy. Here's Dak post game. Trying to wrap my head around a tie. One second left on the clock felt funny. It was a great game, great competition. That's why you got to love Sundays. Great, great job by them. Great job by us.
Starting point is 00:35:10 Competing, which we would have came out to win. Brew was just quietly underneath Dax Soundbite trying to figure out what previous grades he had given. Just trying to calculate their GPA on the fly. Well, yeah, I think I gave him a C plus for the loss to the Eagles. You definitely gave him a B early in the year. For a week. I gave him a B. You gave him a B in one of the, against the Giants.
Starting point is 00:35:32 I gave him a B in the Eagles. And then I gave him a C in the loss. Yes. And the lower loss. So I grade the Cowboys on a curve. Oh, all right? There was, Coach, everyone thought they, maybe except you, because I know Schottenheimer's your boy,
Starting point is 00:35:47 but everybody else thought they were going to get clobbered. Right. Micah's coming in there. You don't have CD lamb. I mean, I thought it was going to be over, especially with the way the Packers started, going up 13-0, Jordan Loves throws the bomb. The Cowboys show some heart. they showed some fight
Starting point is 00:36:07 they showed some toughness DAC was phenomenal my man Javonte Williams was great the running game is back George Pickens George Pickens did his thing he dropped some easy one he dropped another easy one but he was
Starting point is 00:36:20 fantastic and look the defense came up with the big fumble recovery and then the special teams so you got all three luck the defense wasn't great but they did force the fumble that's all I'm saying on Jordan Love and then the special teams points so I gave
Starting point is 00:36:35 them it's a tie. Yeah. But I gave them an A minus. Wow. The minus is for I can't give you an A in a in a tie, anything but a win. But I thought they, I thought they were strong. When's the last time they got an A? This might be the first. Yeah. I feel like this is. This might be at first. Yeah. But I'm respect to the Cowboys for what they did yesterday. Yeah. I agree with you 100%. You go into that game and I know I know Green Bay at hopes of going undefeated that were fast last week against the bronze.
Starting point is 00:37:08 That was unfortunate. And then, I mean, they had Micah Parsons. Well, he didn't save the game. No, he did. I mean, that sack that he had chasing Dack down the back. I mean, that was saved the game. That was worth being the highest paid non-quarterbacker. It was just that alone.
Starting point is 00:37:24 It's why they didn't lose the game. I mean, 40 points. The Micah factor, they're right there. Dack was going to run for a touchdown. No, what they would have had is 44 and won the game. And with C.D. C.L.L. All right. So they didn't have their best receiver. The best player was in Green Bay because he got traded there. And I am so impressed with DAC. And I feel I feel like I've been hard on DAC in the sense that I think he's been a good quarterback, but never saw him as being the highest paid quarterback and being that elite sort of force multiplier.
Starting point is 00:37:59 But it's hard to argue that what he's done this season hasn't been elite and hasn't been a force. multiplier and the he is he is put them on their back and willed them to levels that I didn't think they were going to be able to show this early on especially with the struggles that they've had defensively but he's been really really impressive yeah if they had a they had one difference making defensive player they'd be three and one yeah the I listen coach or what Green Bay two one and one Bay's two one and one one one of those games they allowed essentially three points on defense like the I
Starting point is 00:38:35 I was surprised that Dallas was able to keep it close because I was surprised that they were able to move the ball the way they were without C.D. Lamb. And while I disagree wholeheartedly with basically everything coach has said about Micah, I agree with him wholeheartedly about, and I know Brew you mentioned the other day about like Dax's numbers hadn't been great this year. I thought Dax's been playing awesome.
Starting point is 00:39:04 And finally he had the stats of an awesome game. And I've been really impressed by Schottenheimer. I have to give, like I have to be fair. They are a prolific offensive team, and they were able to do it in this game without one of their better offensive linemen, without their best receiver, you know, with, you know, a running back
Starting point is 00:39:27 that we all thought was just, you know, kind of replacement level. And Dax's been great and the offense has been interesting. And I also thought they managed. to the game better than Green Bay did, which I know we'll talk about Green Bay side of it later. The end was a mess. Yeah. And so, I mean, listen, I can't get over the Micah Trade when I watch this team score the way they score,
Starting point is 00:39:47 because I do feel like that if they just had the 20th best defense in football, that they could be a real problem this year. I do. The team he's on gave up 40 points too. And the team he's on had been dominant in the three games prior defensively. They had one bad defensive game. Don't you think if they have Mike, I think they'd be a legit. They would have an NFC. Mike is.
Starting point is 00:40:08 Yeah, I understand. Green Bay is that. We had across the pond where the Steelers took care of Carson Wentz and the Vikings. Rogers had exactly 200 yards and the Steelers defense held strong at the end of just debacle. Here's the standings, brew. Check this out. AFC North standings. The Steelers are three and one, but they have the second best odds.
Starting point is 00:40:29 Then it's the Bengals who play tonight. They've got the third best odds. Then it's the one in three Ravens who actually have the best odds to win the AFC North. Buy a lot for all the gamblers out there. Now, does this give you hope? Are you concerned that the division now belongs to the Steelers? I think it all depends on Lamar. Like, does he miss, is this a hamstring injury where he misses a game or two?
Starting point is 00:40:55 They need to beat Houston and the Rams, or at least one of them. And so, you know, if not really both, if he misses, say, a game or two and they lose it, now you're starting to, that record's starting to really get poor. If he plays next weekend and mentally he's fine, I mean, obviously it was a tough weekend for him. If he's fine, then I think they'll still win the division. There are only two games back and they play the Steelers twice. So they still control their own destiny. And now the schedule does get lighter.
Starting point is 00:41:28 I think it's the eighth easiest schedule according to Bill Bar. and well from here on. Yeah. I think the Steelers should make the playoffs. I do think at this point they, I mean, looking at the AFC, they're playing. Do you think the Steelers are going to win the division? No, I think Baltimore is still going to win. Yeah, I do too.
Starting point is 00:41:43 Their defense has been decimated, right? There's seven out of the 11 starters didn't play. So that's almost the whole team. And it's as bad as it looked, any team's going to look pretty bad if you're losing seven out of your 11 starters. It's crazy they were favored. And they've got. They've got Lamar, and it wasn't his best game this past weekend,
Starting point is 00:42:06 but I don't think that by any stretch, this is going to continue the way it's gone. You're not worried about the devastating hamstring? I'm not worried about that. I'm not really worried about Derek Henry's fumbles. I would imagine that those two guys at any point could switch back to what we've seen, and they could run away with the division. and at any point, Aaron and Pittsburgh could go pumpkin. Oh, listen.
Starting point is 00:42:33 So, listen. Their defense is picked up. I fully expect Lamar to instantly look like Lamar again. Because he's looked like Lamar every moment of, since he came back, since he signed the new contract, he's always looked like Lamar. He has been absolutely unbelievable, except for in very specific high leverage moments when he has looked exactly like I expect Lamar Jackson to look. Like you tweeted, like, you know, this team is unrecognizable and recognizable. And I said, like, it's totally recognizable to me. It's exactly what I expect.
Starting point is 00:43:04 So I don't think there's going to be lingering effects for Lamar. I think that, again, assuming he's playing, I bet he'll play really well against Houston, even though Houston's great defense. He's not going to miss any time with this hand strength? I don't think so. Weird then. It was a weird, it was a weird injury that none of us saw him. Like, we didn't know when it happened.
Starting point is 00:43:25 and none of the trainers helped him get all. What was the score when he had that? 17. They were down. 17 was it? They were down 17. They were down 17. When Cooper Rush came back in, it was 30 to 13,
Starting point is 00:43:36 and when Tony Romo said they might be getting a spark from Cooper Rush. There was a play that people are now kind of pointing to. I don't know who tracks him down. Chanel maybe where he's like running to the first down marker where he just doesn't look like Lamar. No. He looks like 75. But he's not, you know, he's not limping,
Starting point is 00:43:55 but he just doesn't. No, and he, listen, and Harbaugh, yesterday after the game, Harbaugh was like, when he was asked, could he have gone back in? He was like, I don't know. Harbaugh today said, no, he couldn't have gone back in. Now, we don't, we didn't hear from Lamar because the Ravens have a policy of if you leave a game with injury, you're not allowed to do it. You're not allowed. You're not allowed. No, it's the team's policy.
Starting point is 00:44:14 You can't just say. You can't just say. You can't. So who's, you get, what happens? I don't know. Again, I'm just telling you. Lamar is that one of the faces of the league he can. Is it not allowed or you don't have to?
Starting point is 00:44:25 It's the game. team policy that if the player leaves with injury. So if Lamar said, excuse me, I understand it is a team rule, but I'm Lamar Jackson, multiple-time MVP facing my arch rival in a huge game and we're one and three, I need to address the media and I came out in the third quarter. They would have said, no. I think the Ravens, whoever's Big Dom for the Ravens tackles him. It's like you're not allowed.
Starting point is 00:44:50 Can I just answer the question quickly? because I know we're going to talk more Ravens and Chiefs in a minute. I, you got, we are still talking about the Ravens as if they don't have the worst defense in the league. And when you have
Starting point is 00:45:09 the worst defense in the league, you can lose any game you play. True. That's the, like, so I am not worried that Lamar is not going to play well against Houston or the Rams or after the buy. I'm not worried about that. I am worried. if I were a Ravens fan, that a Houston team that had,
Starting point is 00:45:26 I know they ended up blowing out the Titans, they had six points late into that game. But Nick, are you saying that when the Ravens have all their players on defense, they're still the worst defense. What I'm saying is that. Whenever we talk about Kansas City when they're injured receivers and they can't throw for more than 150 yards,
Starting point is 00:45:45 it's always, well, as soon as they get those guys back. Right, but they're not getting Madibuque back. Madibuque is done for the year. That's one. Their secondary I had questions about beforehand. And last year they're trying to say I'm trying to just put it in a context. They will get better with when they get their guys. As they get healthy, do you still feel like defensively they're going to be.
Starting point is 00:46:02 I don't think they will be 32nd. But I watched the Ravens defense week one when it was fully healthy, allow 41. And so I don't. And I watched the Ravens defense for the first 10 weeks of last year be awful and then flip a switch seemingly. Which I think it'll get better this year. I think the Packers, I'm sorry, the Steelers are not as good as a three and one record, but I still think Baltimore needs to get to 10 wins to win the division. Previous two times the Ravens were 1 in 3, 05 and 2015 that missed the playoffs.
Starting point is 00:46:35 Yeah. So it says all these blocked kicks. Hey, what's going on? That's a good one. I really am saying that. You are absolutely right. It's ridiculous. I've never seen so many black kicks in the way.
Starting point is 00:46:52 What's going on every time? Yeah. You are absolutely right. Maybe it'll get blocked and it does get blocked. Second hour of first things first. That segment works. I know that. Today, Cowboys Packers, Ty.
Starting point is 00:47:06 How could I hate this question? But did Jerry Jones actually win? This guy. He's got a point. No, he doesn't. He'll want 100%. He wouldn't have had a point if it was 40 to nothing. Okay.
Starting point is 00:47:17 But 40, 40, 40 tie? He loved it. Meanwhile, Eagles win. Jalen throws for zero yards in the second half. I'm being tested. You are, bro. And you, and I got to give you credit. I'll take Jalen if you, you know,
Starting point is 00:47:33 that's zero yards. If you're about the dumpy, no, it's just tough. What? Wilds is at a Patriot game a week ago, sees the scoreboard. It says they have negative one passing yards. It threw a half and it wasn't their worst passing half of the last. I'm like AJ Brown, but it's about positive tweets about,
Starting point is 00:47:48 I need to get involved. The mountain, the mountain doesn't know what to do for with Jalen. No, no, that's tears, buddy. There's no players record. Oh, of course. I have a feeling what we're going to see on both. I mean, the mountain's not, the mountain's not kind to hamstring injuries.
Starting point is 00:48:07 I'll tell you. Oh, no. You can't climb. You can't climb. What are you going to do? What are you going to do? Patrick Mahomes is back. See?
Starting point is 00:48:15 270 yards for touchdowns. He becomes the youngest and the fastest to 250 touchdowns. And he extends his personal record to six and one against Lamar. Here's Andy Reed on the. the offense. It did today. So the speed was good. And Pat's got trust.
Starting point is 00:48:36 He's developed. I mentioned that he's developing more trust in five and more trust in 80. And so now you had one into the mix who he's already got time with game time. I think that's important. So I think that just kind of brought it together. And they fed off of each other's success there. I got to get my program to figure out who he was exactly talking about there. Are the chiefs officially back?
Starting point is 00:48:56 No. no, no, no. And they won't be officially back till Rishi gets back. But what they are is once again the scariest team in the lake. Because they are the team
Starting point is 00:49:11 that of everyone that we look at as a contender right now, we're like, hey, do they have a defense that can step up against the best players, the best quarterbacks in the league? Yes.
Starting point is 00:49:27 That's true. And do they have a quarterback who is an absolute killer? Yes. And unlike some of these other teams at the moment, are they dealing with catastrophic injury? You know what I mean? Across, you know, various parts of their roster. Not anymore. And the entirety, I really, really hope the entirety of the media enjoyed the last few weeks,
Starting point is 00:49:55 where they got to cosplay like we were in a world where this wasn't inevitable. Where it was really going to be the Chargers were the team to beat. How's that working out? They had a nice three-week rain and now all of a sudden
Starting point is 00:50:11 they look a lot like the Chargers again. And where the Ravens were one and two but beyond reproach because they'd accomplished so much of nothing for a decade and now they're in disarray. now what has happened is because of the slow start, the chiefs are staring at what I probably should have known going into the year, coach, was their ultimate football destiny, which is getting the opportunity because they won't be the one seed to be the team that gets to walk into
Starting point is 00:50:44 Highmark Stadium in the final game ever played in that stadium. Oh, that would be unbelievable. against Buffalo to close out that stadium by snatching the bill's chain for the only thing that franchise has, which is the only team to make four straight Super Bowls. Well, not if the Chiefs make it this year, and not if that's how that stadium closes. So, I watched that game and I was like, oh, Patrick has developed a rapport with Thornton
Starting point is 00:51:16 and now has Xavier. Oh, Travis Kelsey doesn't look quite so old when the D.E. defense isn't playing this in the, you know, within 10 yards of everyone. Oh, the seventh round running back that they got, he's getting a little more worked in. And oh, the offensive line that they helped remake over the off season can finally give someone some time. So no, they're not fully back, but they are once again, and everybody deep down knows it, the real favorites. So, yeah, that's what they are, bro. Look, I never thought they were gone.
Starting point is 00:51:48 I thought, you know, they always were going to make the playoffs, always be a Super Bowl. When I think of them being back coach, I think they are back to that top tier of elite contenders. The Philadelphia is, if you want to put Detroit in there. I would have put Baltimore in there a few weeks ago. But like they're right there. I don't think Nick, the only way I do think they would be considered the team to be in the AFC. Just because they've done it so many times and they've had Buffalo's number in the playoffs, the Chargers have not yet done anything in the postseason.
Starting point is 00:52:24 But the only thing that would make me say they're the team to beat or the favorite in the whole league is if I just feel like, you know what, it's so hard to repeat. Only a handful of teams have done it. Yeah, you take them because Phillies probably not repeat. Philly just seems like they're upset at their wins. You know what I mean? Yeah, it's really A.J. Brown obviously starting stuff. But the bottom line coaches, the chiefs look great. We'll find out, I guess, over the next few weeks,
Starting point is 00:52:54 how much of that, if any of it, was just Baltimore's defense. Some part of it has to be, right? Not the Raymond scoring 13. Nick made a good point that Buffalo and Detroit, which are great offenses, essentially scored the same amount of points as the chiefs. So, but we'll find, if the chiefs go out the next couple weeks and don't score, you know, score 20 points or whatever, then you might say, okay that was just Baltimore's defense.
Starting point is 00:53:20 But I think with Xavier Worthy back, he opened so much up, Coach, that they are back to being elite. So they beat the Giants with Russell Wilson playing maybe his last game ever as a starter. Okay. And their defense is, what's the Giants defense? What were they rank in that? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:53:38 They looked pretty good this week. But you think the Giants' defense is great. You think the Giants defense is great. I'm just talking about the statistics that you've been quoted. Well, then what are they? I think they're like 32nd, 31st. Where? They're definitely neither of those.
Starting point is 00:53:52 Oh, that's right, because Baltimore's 32nd. Okay, so this week with seven out of 11 guys injured for the Baltimore Ravens. Well, that's not true, Coach. You keep saying that. They went into the game with three starters. Four were out. And then guys got hurt during the game. Roquan got hurt.
Starting point is 00:54:08 Roquan, Wiggins. So the total number was seven, right? By the end of the game, yes. So the seven. One in the fourth. Like Wiggins were hurt in the fourth. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I guess we can't count that.
Starting point is 00:54:18 So six out of the 11 were hurt. So it's the walking dead. And so they moved the ball against them. But over the last year or so, we've watched this offense struggle mightily. And in two weeks against two defenses that are trying to find their footing and haven't really found it, they've had some level of success. I don't know if I'd necessarily be dropping banners like you've been because you lit up a couple of defenses. They lit up the team you picked to win the Super Bowl. They lit up the team brew picked to win the Super Bowl.
Starting point is 00:54:47 The reason that I win the Super Bowl is all in getting MRIs. No, no, no, but hold on. This is, but that's all on defense, right? The Ravens' offense was whole, and the Chiefs shut them down, which nobody's been able to do, correct? Like, not the, the bills are an A1 contender. Ravens put 40 on them. The Browns have a great defense. The Ravens scored 40 on them.
Starting point is 00:55:12 The Lions are an A1 contender. The Ravens scored 30 on them. I think where this game got out of hand is the chiefs were up by 10 going into halftime, get the ball back to start the second half, go up by 17, which effectively takes Derek Henry out of the game. And that's to me where the whole game got lapsed. What did Derek have, eight carries? Hold on, but except.
Starting point is 00:55:33 I mean, it was so uncharacteristic Baltimore offensive approach. Except then the Ravens had the ball in the red zone with a chance to get it right back to 10, and the chief stopped him again and held him to 14. Like this is the because Wilde is a skeptic. I can feel it. The question I would ask is this. Who in the AFC do you trust more than them and why? We're four games in there.
Starting point is 00:56:00 Right. Correct. Okay. So is your answer Buffalo? The Buffalo. Buffalo's had, I mean, look, they've won, but the last two weeks have been tough games for them. Buffalo has, the only team Buffalo has played that has won a game. is Baltimore, right?
Starting point is 00:56:17 They beat the winless jets, the windless dolphins, the windless Saints, and the Dolphins and Saints games were one possession games in the fourth quarter. Listen, I think Buffalo and Kansas are the two best teams in the league, or in the conference. But you're right, coach, it's early, which is why
Starting point is 00:56:33 probably the team that wins the conference every year you should believe in. But if you don't, who is the team in the AFC? The jury is still out. I think it's fair for coaches just say like that this game turned because the chiefs got one of their two missing guys back, Xavier Worthy, and all of a sudden everything looks different. And if Baltimore had six guys out, I think it's fair to say, oh, that Baltimore team probably looks different.
Starting point is 00:56:57 And this game got out of hand at the start of the second half. Otherwise, it would have been dramatically losing the, and I don't necessarily agree with Baltimore's approach to take Derek head out of the game. No, that's foolish. Like I didn't think that was a very good idea, but that's the way that they went. Because I imagine they felt like if we don't score a lot quickly, we can't match the Kansas City scoring. They were without four. Brew told me. I thought it was three.
Starting point is 00:57:23 It's four. Four starters before the game. When you said the chiefs might get blown out. Now because after the chiefs were in firm control, Roquan Smith and Marlon Humphrey was getting dusted, go out of the game. That's just not what happened. The chiefs were in control of that game from Jump Street. I'm not going all. in and saying the chiefs are 100% not to the old chief.
Starting point is 00:57:47 This argument's made me hungry. And I thought Brew was going to have a sandwich. But instead, Brew, you ordered Kansas City barbecue that you thought, bring it out, please, that you thought you were going to get served, made and featured. Oh, that looks delicious. Oh, our printed jack stack. Oh, my goodness. We have burn ends.
Starting point is 00:58:07 We have pulled pork. We have a rack of ribs. So while you guys try to make that sauce, that's good. You guys try to make sense of shockingly, Lamar Jackson coming up short against the Chiefs again. I'm going to eat some of this pulled pork. Go ahead, K.W. As for Lamar, an interception, a fumble, 147 yards, one healthy hamstring. At around 5 o'clock, a low rumble started to rise throughout the country, like an Ibiza DJ, priming the crowd for a dance floor drop.
Starting point is 00:58:39 Then, Lamar slams his helmet. in this sports world sung out in unison Lamar Jackson Hey what's going on what is going on Brut do you have an answer
Starting point is 00:58:57 Okay well the question how Is it what's going on with It's hey what's going on It's how much how much the loss is on Lamar And also hey What's going on with Lamar? I'm going to answer them both I'm a break down and blame pie
Starting point is 00:59:11 I'm going to say 40% on their horrible defense, which was coached right banged up, 30% on the coaching. Because I coached, like I said, even when they were down 10 or so, you still could have used Derek Henry. And in the second quarter, three minutes left when they are down 13.7. And they're a team that rarely goes for it on fourth down compared to other teams. They go for it from their own 41 and don't have Derek Henry in the game. Even if you're not giving him the football, he's a decoy. He makes the defense, you know, react differently. So I thought that was the coaching was bad.
Starting point is 00:59:55 And then I put 30% on Lamar and coach, I do think the chiefs are in his head. Now, I'm just watching from afar, psychoanalyzing, looking at the history of the two teams. I think that's a fair take, bro. I don't think you need to couch. Yeah. To me, he didn't look himself. I thought Spagnola had him shook with his blitzing and I mean, Lamar just didn't, he looked out of sorts.
Starting point is 01:00:19 And I thought even during the game when he was sitting on the sidelines just looking at his iPad between series, it just, it looked like he was just trying to almost go in a shell and just get away from people. Like it just, he never looked himself. And so. But he looked the way he always looks when he plays the piece. Well, and look, this leads me to this.
Starting point is 01:00:40 I think Lamar, this is going to be. going to be, in my opinion, the toughest thing he's going to have to do in sports. Tougher than proven Bill Polian, the Hall of Fame executive who said he should be a receiver wrong, tougher than getting to the point, because we remember seeing Lamar in his first few games
Starting point is 01:00:55 in preseason, I think. He looked terrible. Tougher than getting to the point where he's become an elite passer, he is going to have to get the Chiefs, some of other big games, but mainly the Chiefs out of his head.
Starting point is 01:01:11 And I don't know what he's going to, he's going to, I've compared him to LeBron, and LeBron wasn't failing year after year, but the Dallas series obviously rocked LeBron's world in 2011, and he overcame it in legendary fashion. That's what Lamar has to do, because to me, it does look like, like, if I'm the, let's say they, they got to win 10 of their next 13 games within the back of their mind. Can we beat Buffalo and the Chiefs? Particularly the Chiefs, Nick, I think they got, if they get it going, and let's say they are starting to look good month from now,
Starting point is 01:01:48 they're going to, to me, they have to hope that Buffalo will take out the Chiefs and that they don't meet in the playoffs. That's why, Coach, before you came on, I said, if you're a Ravens fan, the more concerning part of this game is Lamarra, not the defense, because obviously if the defense stays dead last, you're drawing dead. But let's say defense gets healthy. They have a second half turner the way it is.
Starting point is 01:02:11 You still now have another big piece of evidence that your MVP, and this is the frustration for me, every time, this is the narrative arc for three years about the Ravens is to some extent. Lamar Jackson is he the greatest passer of all time. Well, here are the numbers. Lamar Jackson, the MVP two years ago and got snubbed last year. Jackson, the most unique individual force in the league, they lose a game. Why did they let Lamar Jackson have the ball so much? Should have given it to the other players every single time when the reality is this game
Starting point is 01:02:58 flipped coach when they had a lead and Lamar who has not made this pass all year. It's first down. It's seven to three. You're at midfield and he just gives it away. Now, this is a great play by Chanel, admittedly, but he hasn't made, in his last 25 games, he has seven picks. Four of them were off his receiver's hands in the regular season. And then three giveaways, the team meeting in the AFC title game, the early one in the divisional round game, and then this one. And in all those games, he also had a fumble where it's like, what the hell just happened there?
Starting point is 01:03:36 So people have been mad at me talking about Lamar as a passer for a long time. If the whole world knows you have to pass, he's, and that's the situation you're in, he's not that great in that situation. But yesterday, it didn't have to get to that point, I don't think. And what surprised me the most about their approach is, why not stay big? Why not run the ball consistently? If your defense is injured or struggling, one of the best things you can do is keep them off the field by having long, sustained drives.
Starting point is 01:04:09 And then if you're going to use Lamar, you know, he ends up running the ball bunch as a quarterback's sprint. But have some quarterback-driven runs with Derek Henry and build off of that so that you're doing what he does best. And then to top it all off, they go even further away from the run when they get down. And that means they've got no chance. And all those Kansas City pressures, they just heat up. And the offensive line is under so much more pressure because all they're doing is pass blocking. and the whole world knows that's what they got to do. Coach, when you watch a game through, obviously, like a coaching lens,
Starting point is 01:04:44 I think we watch the game through oftentimes, like a player's lens. I don't know why necessarily, but I'm like, you know, this guy could have done better, this guy could have done better, this guy's doing great. How much of this when you look at it is like, man, this is the Ravens coaching staff is putting Lamar in a really bad spot. And I know you don't like to do this stuff. but there's been some like horrible hot seat stuff coming out from this game. If we can't get over the hump, we're not getting rid of Lamar Jackson.
Starting point is 01:05:15 So what is the other lever to pull? Yep. Well, if you want to keep pushing that Lamar is the greatest pastor that there's ever been, and that's definitely come out from Baltimore and come out in a very strong way, and his numbers are extremely impressive. But his part of that is because of all the other things he does and the way you have to defend it, it does tend to give you more eight-man boxes, less split safety, kind of cleans things up for you,
Starting point is 01:05:42 and then he's able to move around the way that he is and guys can get open and he extends plays, those types of things. But you should lean into what he does best, especially when your defense is struggling so much because it just continues to spiral over and over again where now you have to pass a bunch, and it's not what you do great.
Starting point is 01:06:05 I've said, coach, it looks to me like Harbaugh. You've heard some of his comments. He said Lamar is like the best best passer ever. It looks like he's so intent on improving to the world that Lamar is this phenomenal passer, which, okay, he is. But that he goes away from giving it to Derek. Like to me, Derek Henry should get it 18 times at least a game, especially when your defenses is bad. Keep the defense off the field. We just have him on the field.
Starting point is 01:06:37 Yes, yeah, because you know when he's not on the field, they're passing. When he's on there. The idea that he's not on the field on the fourth and one? All right. And then wasn't on a field and third and one later. Can I get, just real quick, before we go, can we show the MVP's versus other MVP's?
Starting point is 01:06:55 Because we showed this graphic last week. Now it's updated. And now it's updated. And here's the thing. And nobody wants to hear what I'm about to say here. Matt Ryan versus Tom Brady, Brian Seip versus Terry Bradshaw, Boomer Ossizan versus Dan Marino, and Lamar Jackson versus Patrick Mahomes. That graphic makes perfect sense. There is a massive, massive gap between all of the guys on the left and all of the guys on the right.
Starting point is 01:07:29 It is exactly what it should be. It is not because one guy had way better teams. It's not because one guy had way better coaches. It's not because one guy got lucky. It's because Matt Ryan was an MVP. Tom Brady was way better than him. Brian Seip, I'm not trying to pick on him. He won a weird MVP.
Starting point is 01:07:48 Terry Bradchell is way better than him. Boomer Assizing almost won an MVP one year, or it did win an MVP, obviously, one year. Dan Marino is way better than him. Lamar Jackson is an amazing player. Patrick Mahomes is demonstrable. He's bestrably much better than him in every aspect of winning football games and playing quarterback. He just is.
Starting point is 01:08:10 Well, here's where I would disagree. I think the difference, and Mahomes is better than Lamar, but the difference in Mahomes and Lamar, and this is significant, but it's playoffs and big games. It's like, Ryan's sight, they don't match up to the other three guys in any, like, regular season, you know what I mean, at all. regular season like typical 15 of the 17 days he's great big games
Starting point is 01:08:37 and playoffs that's where Mahome leaves him and that's and I guess my only pushback to be I know we got to go is they've only that one and six is only one playoff game so it's been you know what I mean Lamar in the aggregate
Starting point is 01:08:51 in general is unbelievable in the regular season except for when he sits looks across the field and sees that guy and in those games he doesn't play his best and everyone can yell at me and say it's small sample size and it's dumb analysis or whatever it is. It's half a season. It's not a small sample size anymore, guys.
Starting point is 01:09:10 Did Jerry Jones? Come on. He's got to be happy today. They tied. Did he take a win from the top? He's got to be happy today. You know first things first. It's that show where they huddle up before every question.
Starting point is 01:09:25 Not this segment. No huddle. Jordan Love had three touchdowns, but a costly fumble that gave the Cowboy some momentum turned the game. Micah didn't wreck the game, but maybe he saved it in what went down as a sack. And over time, Dak was shocked that was registered as a sack. Here's a somewhat frustrating. The stack running for the winning touchdown.
Starting point is 01:09:45 Oh, Hawkdown. What a reach. Here's Micah Parsons. Take a listen. I'm a lot. I'm pissed off. I'm very disappointed. Just overall how we performed.
Starting point is 01:10:03 You know, I even told Jordan to the side, you know, thank you for having our back today. That's why it's so pivotal that, you know, you play complimentary football. Because today, Jordan played like the player he was, and we let him down. We ain't little to the expectations on defense. Okay. Bro, do we crown the Packers too early? I mean, look, the Packers are my pick to get to the Super Bowl and the NFC. I feel good about that pick.
Starting point is 01:10:30 but anyone who was like it's over, they're head and shoulders above everybody else in the NFC. Yeah, that's too soon. But I still, I don't feel like they're not a Super Bowl content. Oh, I agree with that. I think anybody's saying, oh, are they really a legit contender? That's crazy. And you, I get it.
Starting point is 01:10:51 The last two games haven't been great. You can't name an elite team in the league, or any team for that matter, that has not looked bad at times. Tampa beat three teams. that are one in eight. I don't know what they did this weekend, the record now, but then lost to the only winning team they played. The Chiefs obviously had their moments of looking bad.
Starting point is 01:11:10 The charges just lost to the winless giants. Obviously, the Ravens, the Bills, the Saints gave them all they wanted for most of that game. And the week before, Miami did the same. So I just think this was not good. And I said last week, Coach, I kind of think this is good for them. Because I get it, the Cleveland game should have been the wake-up call. but I think this team is kind of, they're young, they really been feeling themselves.
Starting point is 01:11:34 We got this superstar and Micah. We're going to roll through the league. I think yesterday they went into Dallas thinking, they're going to roll over. We're about to tear them up. Then all of a sudden, especially they go up 13-0, you relax, then you find you're in a game. And other teams got momentum,
Starting point is 01:11:51 and now you've got to get it back going. And so, no, I still think they're fine as far as going forward. Yeah, they got the, that same wake-up scenario that my kids do. So they set like 17 alarms. So, like,
Starting point is 01:12:04 one wake-up call, and then what a doubt. We'll get the snooze button. I mean, a few weeks ago, where did they go under? I think they're going undefeated, right? One,
Starting point is 01:12:12 their offensive way. That's why they needed it in L. Look, Mike is mad. Mike, no who's mad, Mike? Everybody in Green Bay.
Starting point is 01:12:19 They barry, here you're the highest paid non-quarterback in the NFL. He's been excellent. Until this game. I mean, look, 40 points. That's a smidge above a shutout.
Starting point is 01:12:29 It's right there. And then the sack he had, I mean, that was dynamic. That was saving. That was a huge play, though. It's over time. He's going to score a touchdown. I mean, that alone justifies the trade. Just that.
Starting point is 01:12:43 I mean, and C.D. Lamb had a great. Oh, he didn't play. Hold on. We're into the Cowell is a second. Hold on. Can I say what I actually think is the bigger story? Listen, I believe the Packers defense is going to be excellent. I think that they play three.
Starting point is 01:12:58 Right. I think they played three A-level games defensively and then played a really poor game yesterday. I think what coach talks to us a lot about, which is walking in thinking, this is going to be easy. You know, there's no CD-Land. There's a – and you would have hoped that that wouldn't have happened because the Browns lost. But Packers' defense didn't leave that Browns game thinking we played poorly. They're like, we played great. Like, we're awesome.
Starting point is 01:13:24 So that's not what concerns me for the Packers. What concerns me for the Packers is the end of that game because one of two things was going on or kind of both things. Matt LaFleur, if people don't watch the very end of the game, let me just kind of set it up. New overtime rules, both teams get the ball no matter what, but same as before if one team kicks a field goal, though,
Starting point is 01:13:44 you get a chance to match. But also, at the end of 10 minutes, game's over, no matter what. Cowboys didn't have timeouts. The Packers got the ball down there quick, relatively. And then maybe in part because, understandably, LaFleur was so terrified of Aubrey. Yeah. That, like, if we leave them 20 seconds, if we leave them 20 seconds, you get the midfield, you know what I mean, we're in trouble.
Starting point is 01:14:11 The returner is a great returner. But the thing is this, you score a touchdown, and Brandon Aubrey's out of it. The game is over with a touchdown. He didn't seem to call plays that fully trusted Jordan Love definitely is not going to turn this ball over. You know what I mean? Even though Jordan Love was playing really well. And then that, to me, was justified by the Packers butchering the end. They were incredibly lucky that the Cowboys' Home Clock Operator forgot he was the Cowboys' Home Clock operator and had a real true trigger.
Starting point is 01:14:46 Because it felt like they were a quarter of a second. You know what I mean? When does that play actually? When the ball hits the ball touches the ground. When the ball hits the ground. Right. And it was, and so like. I'd have been like.
Starting point is 01:14:59 Yeah. But they almost got a procedural penalty on that, which would have been 10 second run off and off and gone. Love didn't realize that because he kept it in bounds and because even when he kept it in bounds, the guy was slow getting up and getting the ball over. That I know we had two plays called, but now he's have to spike it. Or if I can't spike it, you know what I mean? Just they almost blew it. They almost really blew it. and that's the part that concerns me was they're going to be in these close, high-leverage spots.
Starting point is 01:15:31 LaFleur didn't seem to fully trust him, and then Love didn't seem to fully deal with it well, even though he played a really, like, he scored 40 points, played a really good game, but that part worries me a little bit more. Yeah, as much as I like J-Lo, a little, there's some things. A little shay-overs, he could have had a new reception yesterday and got called back, so, yeah. All right, Cowboys side of things, Dack easily handled this Ballyhooed Packers defense. He threw for almost 3-20. He had three T-Ds, ran one in.
Starting point is 01:15:55 And here was Jerry Jones on DAC and Micah. Take a listen. It's very simple. DAC was indispensable in my mind. And so, yes. And Michael wasn't. How bad did you feel like that? So, I mean, it's just numbers. It's that easy. And that's not personal.
Starting point is 01:16:17 Ouch. Coach, your reaction. I felt personal. Yeah. That was very personal. He's taking some serious boss there. Hey. Yeah. It's easy.
Starting point is 01:16:27 The guy I kept was indispensable. The other guy? Not so much. Now, this, I don't know if I would be taking such a strong bow at this point because there's so much football left. And I think Mike is going to have a significant impact on Green Bay. And he's going to play great. I know I give him a hard time.
Starting point is 01:16:43 But that's going to work out well for Green Bay. And we don't know how well it's going to work out for Dallas because we won't know until we see what draft picks they got. This, granted it was a tie. And I'm sure Jerry Wanda. win, but Jerry could not have thought going into this game that they were going to hang 40 on this defense. And Micah was barely going to have any contribution to the game. But I don't know if I would be too smug right now until this all plays out.
Starting point is 01:17:10 Yeah, look, I don't think he was vindicated. Like you said, it was a great showing because we all thought they were going to get blown away. Only way he's vindicated in this trade is if Micah does not win a Super Bowl with the pack, you know, during this prime, next five years or whatever, doesn't win a Super Bowl in Green Bay. And those draft picks from the trade become great players and help Dallas become, I'll just say a legitimate Super Bowl contender where maybe they get to the championship game, maybe they get to the Super Bowl. That's the only way it's vindicated to be.
Starting point is 01:17:43 Listen, this might seem unfair, but it's just how I truly feel. Every game, the Cowboys offense looks great and they don't win. I feel like this trade gets worse. every game like this because by the way they didn't trade Micah for two firsts and an offensive player they traded Micah for two firsts
Starting point is 01:18:05 and Kenny Clark a defensive player like the impact of that trade on this season it has nothing to do with the offense at all and the offense is humming and DAC is playing great and so I look at it as the exact opposite the Cowboys through four games are much better
Starting point is 01:18:23 offensively than I am anticipated, which if I were a Cowboys fan, would make this trade that much harder to swallow. Listen, I understand Philly is undefeated in the Super Bowl champs and looks great. I don't know if it looks great is the right word, but they've played
Starting point is 01:18:38 a really tough schedule and they're undefeated. But other than that, if you're the Cowboys, and you're like, man, are we with this offense, do we think we could stare down the Rams or the Bucks in a playoff game? Like, you know what I mean? Offense for offense? Yes, but not with the defense the way it is.
Starting point is 01:18:54 Cherry made that trade and granted I'm a Brian Schottenheimer fan. I'm sure he had some reservations or concerns as to how well this was going to go with a rookie head coach who was also calling the offense. You believed. Yeah. So I'm sure that played into it as well. And now that they're doing as well as they are, in retrospect, it may not look as attractive. Head to the Meadowlands.
Starting point is 01:19:19 The Chargers temporarily blinded by Jackson Darts aura. As the rookie wins his debut in the Giants defense finally looked frisky coach. Herbert threw two picks, barely got over 200 yards. Nick, I'll start with you. Did we crown the Chargers too early? You got a mouse in your pocket? I didn't crown them ever. The we, the royal we, maybe.
Starting point is 01:19:40 I mean, folks that just were convinced that a down to the wire win against the Broncos, you know, a good, solid, all-around win against the Chiefs in Brazil and beating the Raiders, which the Raiders are having some struggles even though Ashton Jentic good games still believe, was enough to make the Chargers not the Chargers anymore, so crazy to me. And I don't know what Bruce Ballot's going to look like.
Starting point is 01:20:11 I don't know what Parkins Peak is going to look like. I do know this. Justin Herbert, those were an awesome first two games, buddy. I know that. And we can, I mean, this is what it is. So we're an awesome first two games. Like really great first two games, Justin. I think they were impressive.
Starting point is 01:20:31 Since then, that's not very good. And what was bizarre to me, coach, was the thing I text you, which is, their rookie running back. Amarion Hampton. Had 12 carries for 130 yards in a game that was nip and tuck. against a rookie quarterback. It's Jim Harbaugh and Greg Roman, but they, you know what I mean?
Starting point is 01:20:55 Listen, when you have Peyton Manning 2.0, I guess you just got to throw the ball around the field. And now all of a sudden they're banged up and they gave a game away they shouldn't and the huge lead on the Chiefs is down to a game. That's concerning to me if I'm them. I don't think we crowned them as a contender too early. I think they're legit.
Starting point is 01:21:11 Obviously, yesterday was a bad game. I think Harbaugh is great. And so I think we look what he's done in the NFL. I don't think they're going to be same old chargers that under Brandon Staley as they will be under Harbaugh. But I coach, it seems like some coaches have trouble getting that balance. Because last year they ran to the point where it's like, man, they should let Herbert throw a little more. And now this year they're throwing it so much.
Starting point is 01:21:41 And you say, well, they get a little more of a run game. So I don't understand why these coaches can't get more of a balance there. Well, remember last year, the year before they got there, Herbert had good production, but he had a bunch of turnovers. Last year, he only had the three turnovers during the regular season, and they did control things pretty dramatically. And I imagine they thought that similar to Josh Allen, he had gotten over that turnover hump. And now we're four games into it. He's got three turnovers already this season, which matches his total last year. And as we've talked about, as you go through this first part of the season, there's who you want to be.
Starting point is 01:22:18 and then there's the reality of who you have to be. And the good coaches figure out who you have to be. And especially with the charges situation, they've lost two offensive tackles. So to put him back there, dropping back to pass that many times with a really good running back, a really good young running back, and putting all that pressure on backup offensive tackles,
Starting point is 01:22:38 yeah, I think that maybe they got a little bit lost in the game plan and where Herbert's progression was. I would imagine they'll recalpherson. calibrate and we'll see something different. Giants pressure at Herbert on 48% of his drops. Giants defense coach, back, Abdul Carter. Well, you know, they got a little shot in the arm with the new quarterback.
Starting point is 01:22:57 Hopefully this can be a trend. Deven's been great. Last few weeks, held that Chiefs offense to 22. Coming up tomorrow, the coldest and slipperiest segment in all the sports. It's Mahal's amount. A quick request. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:23:11 And I can provide them if you like. Sure. Let's take a look at Drake May's stats compared to Josh Allen. to just the top quarterbacks. Drake made. Just give it a little. But I'm not out here putting my chest out.
Starting point is 01:23:23 You know why? Yeah, because you picked against them. It's against the Panthers. No, I did that strategically. Quick update on tonight's game. Brew does have the Jets over the Dolphins for his upset alert. The Jets, remember, are just a few plays away from these two and one. We'll review that game tomorrow.
Starting point is 01:23:38 Also tomorrow, Bruce's ballot. Early question, Brew. Is there a chance that Patrick Mahomes, after his first four touchdown performance since November of 2023. Yes. I've got it. Just go ahead. I think it's October.
Starting point is 01:23:55 It's October 22nd, I believe. Yeah, not November. Oh, that's Danny's birthday. You're trying to make it feel closer than it is. October. Sorry. Is your chance he could show up on your MVP ballot? There is.
Starting point is 01:24:09 We are so back. And I honestly don't know yet, but he's in consideration. Because Herbert, all five had, didn't have special games. Herbert, Josh Allen was okay, Hurts, Baker, and who was the fifth? Jaylo. Jaylon. Jaylon. Oh, no, I said Jaylon Hertz.
Starting point is 01:24:27 Baker Mayfield. Golf? Golf? No, it wasn't. No way to tell. But it was, no, it was. But they, none of the five had outstanding games. If we're putting two and two teams out in there.
Starting point is 01:24:39 Well, he has a chance. I'm not guaranteeing he will, but he's definitely. He's talking about Drake me right now. No. I'll tell you that. No, because he is not. You want to see the record? Hold on.
Starting point is 01:24:51 I'm supposed to get excited because they clobbered the Panthers. Why are we excited because they clawed? Because the Ravens are legit. No, or not. You're not. Hold on. A couple things. There's not one stat out there.
Starting point is 01:25:04 Believe. Hold on. I think there are plenty of stats that say beating the Ravens is at least a touch more impressive than beating the Panthers. But, and Daniel Jones was the other person. Daniel Jones. But I think what hurts Drake May is the, one of the games can be directly attributed to his mistakes, one of their losses.
Starting point is 01:25:23 The one where he turned over the ball twice? We had five turnovers. He didn't even have half. More first things first. He didn't even have half the turnover. Live from New York at the show, it's wishing Kevin Durant a happy 37th birthday. And as a bonus, welcoming Drake May to the MVP conversation. Wow.
Starting point is 01:25:46 leading the league in completion percentage. That's good for a two-and-two team. If we're putting two-and-two teams in the end of the quarterbacks in the MVP conversation, I want my bite at the apple. That's all I'm saying. Caleb Williams. You make a decent argument. He's in.
Starting point is 01:26:00 Is he complete? Is he leading the league? Completion percentage is probably all the major quarterback stats the least important. Really completing passes? The percentage. Tell that to AJ Brown. Who led it last year? Last year, who led the league in completion percentage?
Starting point is 01:26:16 I think it was Gino. Oh, yeah. Gino or Sam Darlin. We got to talk Gino. No, we don't. That's where ruined to play Jitzi's great game. This weekend went perfectly for me, except for Gino's throwing those picks.
Starting point is 01:26:32 That was good for you. That was great for me. That was good for Parker. One thing I really enjoyed. You're a Gino guy? I picked the Raiders to make the playoffs. The only reason he hasn't ripped Hardy today is because Gino did. I didn't rip part because we don't have time to it because instead,
Starting point is 01:26:46 we have to talk about. First thing's first ball. Today. Hard turn. Episode of Stock up, stock down with Danny Parkins. Is Caleb Stock up? Even though he completely less than 60% of his passes. Meanwhile, is it panic time for the bird teams?
Starting point is 01:27:02 These are my Super Bowl pick. Eagles and Raven. What about Falcons and Seahawks? What are birds? Talk about the Falcons. Cardinals. Not all the bird teams. Oh, okay.
Starting point is 01:27:13 We should just do an all bird segment. Well right now, Chiefs Roll. Xavier Worthy is back, Arrowhead rocking. The defensive's elite. Mahomes is excellent. Here he is after the game. When you're playing one of the better teams in the NFL, you know you're going to have to be a little bit more aggressive.
Starting point is 01:27:31 And I know their record doesn't show up, but everybody knows. That's the Baltimore Ravens, and they've had so much success these last few years. And so we had a good game plan going in, and we knew we had to raise our game. I thought we executed at a high level in crucial situations. And that's what changes the tide of the game. I was on the fence on this game, Parkins, and then you were like, no, no, go with the Ravens. Yeah. Did the Chiefs put the league on notice, and do you have anything to say?
Starting point is 01:27:56 Yeah. I'm sorry? Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Not accepted. You should have known better. I should have owed better.
Starting point is 01:28:04 Yeah. I worked in Kansas City for so long. I picked him in that Super Bowl last year against the Eagles. I picked them to be in the last five Super Bowls. And then two games, two bad games. fickle media all of a sudden thing. Right. He got hot off the Eagles pick. He did the whole heel turn. He remember he was like naming
Starting point is 01:28:21 streets. And that one worked for me. Yeah. Yeah. The Eagles covered. And then yeah, I abandoned my Kansas City roots. Yeah. And it backfired spectacularly. So I wanted to, you know, you're beloved in Kansas City. Of course. Right. Everybody knows that. Yeah. Well, I would say we are beloved in Kansas City, but I just wanted
Starting point is 01:28:37 to make sure that I still am. So I have, I put together a quick apology of sorts. That if Christina, if we could just Let's see this. Let's just get out in front of this, please, and just roll the apology, please. When can we expect the Chief's offense to be good?
Starting point is 01:28:53 If the Chiefs lose this game, we will be talking about the Chiefs as a wild card team or missing the playoffs. The Chiefs will be fine. They are just not fine now. I just simply do not think the Chiefs can keep up in this game. It's that simple. Wow.
Starting point is 01:29:13 Wow. You see that's about it. Oh, wow. Except for the Super Bowl. Oh, because I still, I still like it. Yeah, that's, four weeks. Yeah. So you're not picking against the, you're, the rest of the season?
Starting point is 01:29:22 The rest of the season, he would never be. Basically, what I think. I picked against them. It was a mistake. And you're not picking against the Chiefs for the rest of the year. Until they play. Really? Oh my gosh.
Starting point is 01:29:31 You overcorrected. So they're going to, yeah, I agree with that. No, I'm not saying they're going to run the table. I'm saying they got an official Parkins pick, a bet, saying they can't win a shootout, doubting them. It was a dumb thing to say. It was a dumb thing to say. He just means holistically. He's not going to doubt the team anymore.
Starting point is 01:29:48 And it was a dumb. You could lose individual games. That's fine. It was a dumb thing to say. Here's the thing, Wilde. Because it's an unacceptable opinion, and you all had it. Doubting Mahomes only truly unacceptable opinion. No, you did this to me last Friday.
Starting point is 01:30:04 We all walked in. Jianna's or Thursday, Gianna had question of the day. What quarterback would you rather have? And you said, picking Mahomes over the was, quote, an unacceptable opinion. You saw we could put up as the best passer rating in the NFL here. Yeah, exactly. That's not my fault.
Starting point is 01:30:24 How's that working out for you? I feel really does. Exactly. I do. Amazingly, the only person who isn't covered in shame on this is the guy who came out on a stretcher because he's the only one who all last week was like, listen, Mahomes is the best. You can't put anything past them.
Starting point is 01:30:44 if they lose, I'm not writing them off at all. You had them as the wild card. They're now a game out of first. You had the Chiefs having no chance of blowing out the Ravens. If the Chiefs, if that team did not have on purple jerseys, and it was, this is
Starting point is 01:31:02 a fair question. It's the reason I'm not like demanding well, I did say I want Drake Me in the MVP regardless. I'm like, you know what, we beat the Panthers. It's not a big deal. We put up a ton of points on the Panthers at home. It's fine. It's a nice little stat goosings. They made Lamar tap out, bro.
Starting point is 01:31:21 Here's where I'm on the Ravens. I don't want to be ridiculous, but Danny, I want to pull you back over a little bit from your apology. The Ravens have the worst defense in the league. The Ravens had six guys out of the game. So you had the worst defense in the league that was missing guys. So hold on. Let me ask you this. I'm not going to throw the parade that the chiefs up on the You did it for Detroit. You did it for Detroit. A week ago with those same guys that they went into this game missing. No, Roquod Smith was not missing. No, no, the same guys they went into the game.
Starting point is 01:31:53 More people got missing. By the time those guys went out, the Chiefs were up three scores. They were in firm control. Roquan was early. Roquan was early. Marlon Humphrey was after they were up three scores. I was not ready to have a parade. It was a good performance.
Starting point is 01:32:08 No, nobody's asking you to have a parade. What I am, what I am asking for. It's the only No, because the idea that going into the game, you and others were adamant. You knew the injuries. You said they can't blow
Starting point is 01:32:26 them out. You knew the situation. You said the only blog could go in the other direction. Right. All of that. And so if the chiefs beating the Ravens 37 to 20 is not impressive, then the bills have done nothing
Starting point is 01:32:44 impressive all year. On the board. Okay. The Lions have done nothing impressive all year. That's a get right game. Correct? Yeah, I mean, people are beating up on the Ravens. That's what I'm saying. People are beaten up on the Ravens.
Starting point is 01:32:58 And Mahomes was the latest guy to beat up on the Ravens. No, but the question is none of them were blowouts like this. And it's not a Mahomes question. It's a Chief's question. That's a Mahomes banner. Yeah. What no one had done, and I'll go
Starting point is 01:33:12 back to you, was shut the Ravens offense down. Nobody had done that. They were scoring 40 or 35 on everybody. That has to count for something if we're talking about can this team be the best team in the conference. The Chief's offense scoring more than 35 for the first time since week three of what, of 2023. I didn't see it coming against anybody. Against Dallas, against Carolina. It came against the team that's been given up 30 points every game. this year. It's like that has to be. Sure. And we'll see what happens when they play Jacksonville, who's got 13
Starting point is 01:33:50 takeaways so far this year and has had a bet. So we'll see if they can start stacking it. My point is, doubting that they could do it was dumb. That's where I am pointing two thumbs. In fairness to you, and I mean, you knew he was coming back. But Xavier Worthy made all the difference in the world. He was spectacular, right? He had a 37-yard catch, a 28-yard catch, and a 35-yard run. And even when he opened up. Yeah, the underneath for Kelsey and all that. But I just, I don't, I guess I don't know why it was surprised. Like, this is what's, this is what's frustrating for me, and then we move on.
Starting point is 01:34:23 It's not surprising for me. I did think the Ravens were massively overrated. Okay. I did think that adding worthy would open things up entirely. I did think that the chiefs, if need be, could win a shootout but wouldn't need to win a shootout because I did not expect Lamar to play well when he saw he was up against Mahomes. So that game played out kind of how I thought it could happen. But you weren't expecting that type of...
Starting point is 01:34:49 No, I thought it would be... I honestly thought it was more likely to be like 2317 Chiefs. But I thought if they needed to score, they could. What is utterly infuriating for me is that I tried to present all of that last week. It was dismissed out of hand as the team that could get blown out as Kansas City. We are now sitting here, and now it's, well, How impressive is it?
Starting point is 01:35:15 I think it's fair to ask how impressive it was, where we had two games, one at four o'clock, one at eight o'clock. The Cowboys went up against the Packers' defense, which I believe had the best defense in the entire league and put up 40. And we're like, oh, wow, the Cowboys' Offense is the real deal. At 4 o'clock, the Chief's offense was going up against the worst defense who had given up 30 points in each one of their games, and we're like, wow, the Chiefs did a good job.
Starting point is 01:35:43 But I'm not putting those in the same category. I think that's fair. Yeah. Against the best defense in the worst, they both scored 30 plus. I don't understand why that's a challenging concept. You got Mahomes. You got worthy back. That doesn't, I think that makes it more impressive.
Starting point is 01:36:02 You just trust those guys. I'm saying I'm just not ready to say they're all the way back because you, because you played the worst defense. I don't know that they're going to. I don't know what that's not a controversial opinion. I don't know that they're going to win 14 games this year. I just think where I am pointing a thumb at myself is, I did not think they had that in them yet.
Starting point is 01:36:20 I thought it was going to take more time, worse opponent, Rice coming back, it was going to develop later in the year. And they already did it. They are the worst opponent. That's my argument. Statistically, they are the worst opponent. And then we can move on. They were the exact same spot in rankings defensively going into the game.
Starting point is 01:36:41 and you thought that that was not going to happen. That's true. So it is the exact Calvin Ball situation I was worried about, which is you saw all the defensive rankings, which is one of the reasons I picked the Chiefs. You were like, nope, doesn't matter. This Chief's offense can't do that against anyone. No, I thought the Ravens would be better.
Starting point is 01:37:03 Correct. But you also didn't think the Chiefs could score 30 on anybody. No, I thought the Ravens defense would be better. They did, and then you're like, what does that even matter? Like, okay, that's fine. It does matter. I'm not saying it doesn't matter at all. I'm just not saying I'm ready to like, it's unacceptable to doubt that it's unacceptable to say that it can't happen, which is what was said.
Starting point is 01:37:23 That's all I'm saying. You said it was an unacceptable opinion to say you'd rather have Mahomes than Lamar in that game. That's why I put an unacceptable opinion on there. That is what happened. The banner says that it must be true. I also want to apologize. guys, the Ravens aren't dead last in total yards. They're 31st.
Starting point is 01:37:44 So I apologize. On the other end of the spectrum. They didn't let the Browns. Harpaw and the Ravens fall to one and three. Buying a dreadful game from Lamar. Take a listen. We've got to get to work and get ready to play a football game and play well and try to find a way to win a game and get on track.
Starting point is 01:38:02 I believe we're going to be a good football team. We're just not a good enough football team yet. How concerned are you with one and three start? I'm concerned, but I'm not overwhelmed by it. We played the three losses against probably three of the top teams in the league for sure. And that's just the hand we've been dealt. So they do, according to Bill Barn, will have the eighth easiest schedule from here on Outbrough. Here's those defensive stats that we've mentioned.
Starting point is 01:38:26 Now, it does include the Chiefs, so it's not just like they've always been bad. Is it panic time? No, it's not panic time. You're obviously very concerned. It would be panic time if we get news today, tomorrow, whatever, that Lamar is out for the next two weeks. And then they have a buy, so, you know, he missed the next two games. Because they could very easily and likely would be one in five.
Starting point is 01:38:52 Really? Because Cooper Rush gives them a spark according to Tony Robbins. That was quite a comment. That was quite a comment. I thought Romo did a pretty good job until that. Yeah, because they could, Houston, you know, you could lose that. And obviously the Rams. then I would be like, okay, this is very concerning.
Starting point is 01:39:09 But assuming Lamar is back next week and Lamar, I think they'll be fine. I think they can still win that. They should still win that division. I believe they'll win the division. My concern is they got to win 10, and I think they will, but you have to win 10 of the next 13 games at least. I imagine in your mind like, can we beat the big boys? like what's at the end of the rainbow for us?
Starting point is 01:39:37 Can we beat Buffalo? Can we beat Kansas City? I would imagine, certainly me, who picked them to get to the Super Bowl, am hoping that once they get rolling, they make the playoffs, Buffalo beats Kansas City. And then they don't have to play the Chiefs in the playoffs. You know, so that's my only concern. But no, I think I'm not panicked at all.
Starting point is 01:39:57 So I'm not either because of the path. We talked about this last week, the division, not having full confidence in the Steelers, Jake Browning instead of Joe Burrow. I think they still have a pretty clear path to winning the AFC North, but I also would just put the qualifier on all of this. Same thing. Assuming Lamar Jackson is healthy.
Starting point is 01:40:14 If Lamar isn't healthy, then I don't think that they can just beat every lesser team on their schedule. But to your point about the defense, it might just be awful. Because what happened last year to Detroit was all of the injuries
Starting point is 01:40:29 happened on one side of the ball. And it was like, they weren't going to be the best defense in the NFL, but they probably were going to be like middle of the pack. And then the injuries just overwhelmed it. Now they've allowed 37 in three of their four games. That historically trends to a four, five, six-win team. We can show what that would show you historically, but also just the names. Madibouquet out for the season, Roquevon Smith, Marlon Humphrey, Nate Wiggins, Kyle Van Nooy,
Starting point is 01:40:59 two more defensive line. How long are those guys out? How long are they out? because I think the Ravens are better than those teams on the board defensively. They got better over the course of last year defensively, I think. But if this defense is like last year's Lions defense, well, then all bets are off. But last year's Lions, the Ravens have already lost as many games as more games than last year's Lions lost. I'm saying they're defensive ranking.
Starting point is 01:41:21 No, no, no, I understand. I guess my, like, I don't, I look at the Ravens, the first two losses being, The defense, the, it's weird, actually. Lost one, loss one was the Derek Henry Fumble that opened the floodgates because they had allowed, like the Ravens had been against the bills and the lions. The Ravens defense did a fine job through three quarters. That's the other part of it to me that is important. Like the, and I don't know if we can pull up this, throw the stats up there or not, but like the chiefs are the only team to boat race them through three quarters. Right, the bills in line.
Starting point is 01:42:02 So the first game to me was the Derek Henry fumble, tipped ball, little unlucky, whatever. Third game, the Lions, in my opinion, are flatly better. Fourth game, and here's the numbers through three quarters just to show you guys. Like the Lions put up yards, but nobody was, you know, scoring at will the way Kansas City was. And they were up on the line.
Starting point is 01:42:24 Was it? Right, no, they were certainly up on Buffalo, and the Lions game was close until Lions got a fourth down. the Ravens didn't. Yesterday's game, to me, was about Lamar pressing early when they had control. They drive down and score. The Chiefs then stall in the red zone. It's 7-3 Baltimore.
Starting point is 01:42:42 They have the ball driving again and then go up to scores. And then who knows how it feels? Lamar throws it away. But this is just another example. Oh, boy. Sorry. I didn't know we were. The Ravens.
Starting point is 01:42:55 Shout out to him, man. I mean, it's one of the greatest hypothetical teams of all time. The Ravens the last seven years. Every year I got to hear about the talent. That's the other thing that kills me about this conversation now. I understand that now the defense is super banged up. It was not super banged up two weeks ago when they were terrible. And all off season, I heard about Jair Alexander and Malachi Starks and Kyle Hamilton and Roquan Smith and all of it.
Starting point is 01:43:26 And once again, it's a team that is an idea. more than it is anything else. Oddly, Danny, and you mentioned this last week. They are still minus 200 in the AFC North. They have better Super Bowl odds than Kansas City right now. Really? Yeah, and better odds to make the playoffs. Yes.
Starting point is 01:43:44 Than the Chiefs. Yeah. Because of the path. Vegas can't quit this team. They have better odds to win the conference and win the Super Bowl. Where's the smart money, though, going? Well, my money is not going there. And right after this weekend, my money is very serious.
Starting point is 01:43:57 The sharp money. Yeah, I'll check. Where are the whales? Your buddy, Nacho. Shout out for not to nacho. Not to Nacho. Natchezing in a visa, firing soccer games all day. Time now for a special edition of stock up, stock down, where we figure out who stock is up and who stock is down.
Starting point is 01:44:19 We've never been able, we've never been invited a part of this. I'm excited who stock is up. Oh, it's Dak Prescott. You see it says it right there. His stock is way up. And so the recent. The researcher here for the OT, Troy. Been working with him now for over a year.
Starting point is 01:44:32 He's named Troy after Aikman, lifelong Cowboy. Is that true? 100% true. He backs this take up, said it was not crazy. That's the best game I've ever seen Dak Prescott play. I'm fine with that. You got to watch the games. He has had better numbers.
Starting point is 01:44:45 He's had a five touchdown game. He's had a 500-yard game or 400-yard game. He's had, I think it wasn't 500-yard. He's had unbelievable statistical games. Yeah, it was incredible. But no CD-Lam. You're centering your right guard out. playing against the defense that held Detroit to 13 points,
Starting point is 01:45:03 putting up 40 when we all thought they were going to get blown. No one gave them an ounce of a chance, less than the Chiefs against the Ravens. And they tied that game and scored 40 points. He was remarkable in that game. Way up. Do you think that's the best game of his career? I think so I've always, oddly, I've always thought the best game of his career was a different game against the Packers in that building that they didn't win.
Starting point is 01:45:27 The division around playoff game is rookie year when he went toe for toe throw for throw with Aaron Rogers. And it took some insane Rogers plays. And then the Mason Crosby kind of curving in. Just without Cid Lamb. And against the defense, by the way, you know, I was worried when you said he's named after Troy and you're like, back, I thought you're going to say he's better than Troy Aikman. Like, please don't say he's better. No, no.
Starting point is 01:45:51 But I came with that career. I hadn't thought about that. I don't think that's crazy. I'd have to really like dive in, but I don't think that's crazy. Yeah. Go ahead, boy. I just wouldn't go public with it. I mean, maybe he's done the homework.
Starting point is 01:46:07 I haven't done the homework yet. No, I just wouldn't be like, and it was a tie. That's fair. That's fair. A lot of his, the year he threw, what was he on pace for almost 6,000 yards, when you got hurt, a lot of those games with the huge yards were like garbage times. Yeah, they were getting.
Starting point is 01:46:26 This was blow for a lot of pressure. The Packers scored on every possession of the second half. And Dach just went toe for tole. It was incredible. I also like that game. And George Pickens is no, you know, no chunk. Oh, yeah. No, no question.
Starting point is 01:46:41 Tickets was great too. That wasn't good. Well, you're tying a loss. It's two best game. Next up, whose stock is down. This one's very painful for me. Oh, wow. I got to admit, Justin Herbert's time.
Starting point is 01:46:51 I said just figured out a way to win. And that was a weird game. This guy's just throwing. Interception to a 350 pounder. Ladd McConkey falls down on the other interception. Like, I don't think this is on him, but, you know, he's not on him. There's no one in this area. His receiver fell out.
Starting point is 01:47:07 He would have been there if he didn't fall out. It doesn't look like Peyton Manning. Yeah, he didn't look like Peyton. But no Rashon Slater, no Mackay Beckton, then Joe Alff gets hurt in that game. He was under more pressure in that game than he was in the Texans playoff game where he threw the four picks. But the passer rating going down week over week as the pressure mounts as the offensive line injuries mount. Not a great moment in time for Justin Herbert stock. Yeah, or.
Starting point is 01:47:30 Not a great moment in time. Or for the LA Chargers. Well, who. That too. Oh, a week ago. That too. We're talking about them being four and oh because God knows anyone can go to the metal lands and win and the Chiefs staring at the Ravens.
Starting point is 01:47:44 You're trying to make this a Chiefs thing. I'm just saying. Stop. Oh my God. RIP. Chargers. AFC West favorites. You got three weeks out of it.
Starting point is 01:47:54 You got three weeks out of it. I hope you enjoy. I enjoyed it, Colin Cowherd Danny Parkins. I hope you guys loved it. One more. We've got a stock is up. That's a good graphic. Yes.
Starting point is 01:48:05 Or a good banner. Oh, I had to get it in. It doesn't matter that it was only 200 yards. There was an interception that they got three turnovers in the first half. It doesn't matter. Got six points out of it. You play to win the game. That's right.
Starting point is 01:48:17 Caleb Williams. These are the games that for my entire life the Bears have lost. He got the ball. Six minutes left. Needed a touchdown. What is his passer race? Passer rating. In the second half, by the way, because the early it was, oh, the Ben Johnson scripted plays.
Starting point is 01:48:32 Oh, timeout. This is second half. Yeah, he's getting better as the game goes on. He's leading fourth quarter comebacks. Caleb Williams. Because the first figuring out a way to win. The passer rating was carried by that opening script when it was 10 for 10. Exactly.
Starting point is 01:48:46 Yeah, I should have clarified that up the top of my apologies. But making plays at the end of a game to win on the road when you need a touchdown down late, that absolutely matters. and now playoff chances are alive for the bears heading into the buy and then they get Washington on Monday night. You left out one of the biggest factors in that game. Oh, God, dog it. We almost got through the whole. No!
Starting point is 01:49:08 No! No! Three picks! Gino's having a ball security problem. I agree. Here is what I think is undisputably true. No, no, Caleb Banner. Okay.
Starting point is 01:49:22 It wouldn't have mattered if Caleb had the second. half that Jalen Hertz had yesterday. If the Bears won, they were going to feel like they could finally take a deep sigh of relief. Agreed. Get to two and two. You know what I mean? Have a week, an extra week to prepare for the commanders in what is, you know, going to be.
Starting point is 01:49:41 I don't like that early by. I don't love the early by is what it means for late in the year. I think it's good for them as far as their chances of beating the commanders in two weeks, which matters a lot. Ben Johnson doing his trick plays. Settle down. Oh, you love them. You don't like the trick play?
Starting point is 01:49:54 Not the fake fumble one. Stumble. It hurts. Nine targets for AJ Brown, several of them out of balance. I don't know if they should count next. Welcome back. First things first. What a treat with Coach Manjini and Greg Jennings in on a Monday.
Starting point is 01:50:09 We go to Tampa where the Eagles, well, they're still undefeated, but because there's always some drama. There were no completions in the second half. And AJ Brown and Devante Smith had four catches for just 36 yards. But of course, Jalen Hertz wants to keep the focus on, you know, the winning. Take a listen. Honestly, from a complimentary standpoint, you couldn't ask for more in the first half. We just have to put it together as a team. And that's something that you can learn from.
Starting point is 01:50:41 And that's something that will be fixed. But, you know, we're finding ways to win. And it's what it comes down to in the end. And then A.J. Brown decided, you know, the win wasn't enough. I'm going to quote the Bible and go on Twitter. And if you're not welcome, not listen to, quietly withdraw. Don't make a scene. Shrug your shoulders and be on your way.
Starting point is 01:51:03 So I have very strong feelings, at least about that AJ Brown portion of it that I'll get to in a minute. But Greg, concern or just about 4 and O here? Look, I get it. They're 4 and O. They are 4 and O. They're the champs. Coach, I get it from your perspective, too. Wins are important.
Starting point is 01:51:23 that's what matters for coaches. Wins matter for quarterbacks. Give me the ball, please. Like, there is concern because when inside the locker room, guys are starting to speak out. And yes, A.J. Brown is the one that we hear from the most. But we're not going to hear from Devonte Smith. We're not going to hear from Sequin.
Starting point is 01:51:49 We're not going to hear from these other guys because that's not really their personality. That's not what they do. But that doesn't mean that, they don't feel the same way. They don't feel like things need to improve. Just because a team is four and no and they haven't suffered a loss, a lot of times we as fans are like, well, just deal with it.
Starting point is 01:52:08 You're winning until you get that first loss. Coach, you understand this. And then all of a sudden, the things that we were trying to as players to bring up and that AJ Brown is bringing up right now and trying to bring attention to, now all of a sudden, well, they do have problems. We saw this in week three. We saw this in week two. We saw this here.
Starting point is 01:52:31 We saw this. Now it's like, oh, now you want to pay attention to me. But when I'm saying it, when we're winning, it's like be quiet. We're winning. Just allow it to take its course. And at some point, I understand the guy like AJ Brown because I played the position. I understand my value. I see and I know the impact.
Starting point is 01:52:55 that I can have and it sounds so selfish, but he's a part of one of the reasons why we believe this team has an opportunity to do something special again this year. But if this is what they're going to look like, we're going to continue to say, do we have concerns? Because he's not included, Devante Smith's not included, their passing game is not included. Well, first of all, his quote says you quietly go away.
Starting point is 01:53:18 Nothing says quietly go away like posting it on Twitter. So that's not quietly you go away. And last, the issue here is last year when he pulled out his book, that was at least during the playoffs. And now he's pulling out not his book, but this is his other way of saying, hey, I'm not happy with my situation, but we're at week four. And last year, when they started out the season, they threw the ball a lot through the first four games. And they were two and two. Right. So would you rather be four and oh?
Starting point is 01:53:48 Would you rather be two and two? And I understand that he has, he has value. He has tremendous value. and he's a great player, but at the end of the day, it's more important to win games than to make one person happy. And I'm not saying, I don't think anybody in that building is looking at this and saying, we don't have a problem here. You know, it's not like A.G. Brown is like, hey, guess what?
Starting point is 01:54:10 The secret, there's a problem here. Like, they know it's there, but they're still winning, and they can work on it while they're winning? So can I try to inject a little bit of nuance into this with you normally? It's like, it's not the greatest sports television. It's like, I'd have the strongest take ever. Like, objectively, the passing game is not where it needs to be. And if you gave A.J. Brown all that money and you traded a first round pick for him
Starting point is 01:54:31 and you gave Devante Smith a $75 million extension and used a high pick on him. Objectively, you would like them and we could show the numbers. I assume the plan was for other than the second half against the Rams, for them to be involved. Like, we're four games into the season. And other than two quarters against the Rams, they have seven first downs. That is just objectively a problem. So would you objectively rather they be two and two and a lot more catches?
Starting point is 01:54:58 No. No, I would. Because I think it's also objectively true that that AJ Brown tweet is insane. Like that is a crazy thing to do after a win. You're like, I know people could perceive that as selfish because it is selfish. It is a selfish thing to do. Well, sometimes you have to, like,
Starting point is 01:55:16 I didn't like what he did with the book because I didn't. I didn't. It was something that I felt like could cause and draw attention to him with the team that we identified as, man, this team has something special. Even though it doesn't look the way that he wanted it to look, they were still clicking on all cylinders. Now it's like you're asking in the playoffs, I understand the idea of succumbing to one goal,
Starting point is 01:55:48 one ego, like this is what we're doing. I'll do whatever it takes. I'll swallow my pride. You're asking me to do that all over again? Wait, so do exactly what it. Hold on. I understand it equates to winning, but what about, like, why I have chosen to play this for it, why you chose to sign me to that contract?
Starting point is 01:56:09 Hey, give me the damn ball, to Taylor's oldest time. Like, please, like, not even all the time. Just, can I get it sometimes? And when you do throw it to me, can it actually be an opportunity, not a target, not throwing it out of bounds over my head and then it's labeled as a target. So it looks like you're throwing in my direction. I don't want to hear that.
Starting point is 01:56:26 I'm not saying that I would do this, but I would definitely say something. If he sent it that tweet out after a win, imagine if they had lost. Let's go to Dallas. We saw Micah Parsons make his long-awaited, four weeks, return to the Cowboys, and we all thought it was going to be a Packers blowout.
Starting point is 01:56:43 It was a 40-40 tie. Here's Micah Parsons on how a tie felt in his return. I'm pissed off. I'm very disappointed. Just overall, how we performed. You know, I even told Jordan to the side, you know, thank you for having our back today. That's why it's so pivotal that, you know, you play complimentary football. Because today, Jordan played like the player he was, and we let him down.
Starting point is 01:57:15 We ain't little to the expectations on defense. All right, coach, how disappointing from a pack. perspective is that tie? Yeah, it's got to be very disappointing. All right, I'll stop asking dumb questions. It's got to be incredibly disappointing. Michael was traded there and everything. Weren't they two weeks ago, they were going undefeated.
Starting point is 01:57:35 Now they've lost the bronze and now they've tied Dallas. And I get it. C.D. Lamb was so dynamic. Oh, that's right. C.D. Lamb wasn't, C.D. Lamb didn't play yesterday. So heat. So their best player is out. but Micah, oh, Micah plays for Greenbet.
Starting point is 01:57:52 He was their best defensive player. But they did hold him to just over a shutout. Oh, no, it was 40 points. So I'd say, yeah, he's disappointed. I would imagine everybody else in Green Bay is disappointed, too. He did sign the highest contract for a non-quarterback in the history of the NFL. But, you know, that one sec he got, that was pivotal. He is tripping with sarcasm on a Monday grade.
Starting point is 01:58:16 That was your Super Bowl pick. 40 points. That's your Super Bowl pick. Yeah, go ahead. Look, it was very disappointing. I'm not going to be a sarcastic. It was disappointing. Look, a tie is just, it's the most unsatisfying thing in sport.
Starting point is 01:58:39 But for the Cowboys, it just feels like a win. Oh, big win. Like, it just, it feels like a win, and it actually feels like a loss was suffered by the Green Bay Pass. because this was not what they expected. This was not what the vast majority of us in the media expected because of what we know that coach was alluding to. Micah, the headlines, what he brings, what the Dallas Cowboy defense wasn't. Well, I don't know what they are.
Starting point is 01:59:07 Are they good? Are they not? I mean, they were effective. And then, Dak, what he was able to do, like, you got to be frustrated with the way you performed if you're, if you're, if you're, Micah in that defense, and you give up 40 points, you're not able to get pressure on the quarterback at all. It, yes, it feels like a loss. Yeah, no question it feels like a loss.
Starting point is 01:59:31 And for the defense specifically, you had given up four touchdowns in three games, and then you give up five to a team with no cede lamb. Like, that's just a, you put on the film and it's like, where do you even go to get answers on something like that? Like, that is one of the most shocking results of the first four games of the season, any team. Well, they did just lose to Cleveland last week. I don't know. I'm just saying giving up 40.
Starting point is 01:59:54 And that came too. So you just don't think they're very good. No, I'm not saying that. I just think as a young immature team who had two great wins to start the season, when you start talking about going undefeated, you're just putting it's just too much too soon. And you're losing track of what's most important, which is what's right in front of you. Coming up. I love that sarcastic.
Starting point is 02:00:17 That must have hurt. That must have hurt. It's done the little. You know what didn't hurt? Caleb Williams in the fourth quarter. He proved something. We'll see if he proved it to them too. Coming up, FTF.
Starting point is 02:00:27 Back in on first things first. We pick it up in Vegas where, hey, look at that. Caleb Williams and the Bears won a game. Again. Don't let him get hot, Greg. Don't let him get hot. Two in a row, three would be a winning streak. Go ahead, touchdown drive late.
Starting point is 02:00:42 Special teams helped out in a big way. To the year the blocked field goal. Here's Caleb Williams on what got him going before. the game winning touchdown drive. Ben came over to me right before and he goes, you know, these are times that you're made for. So, you know, I provided, you know, belief and confidence that he has in me. And then from there, I went into the, I went to the huddle and, you know,
Starting point is 02:01:03 looked everybody in the eyes and, you know, this is, this is the moment. This is where we go win the game. So it's a week-to-week league. Maybe they lose to Washington in two weeks. But I will just, maybe. Maybe. Maybe. We'll see how it goes.
Starting point is 02:01:17 They got the buy. The commanders are in. Andrew, don't, let's not give them a loss yet, okay? It's in two weeks. My whole life, the Bears have lost that game. And I've seen so many coaches come in and say, we've got to change the culture. Got to change the culture.
Starting point is 02:01:30 You've probably tried to change the culture. You've been a part of teams where the coach is trying to change the culture. And that game yesterday, call it prisoner of the moment, anecdotally, they've lost that game my whole life. And there was just a buy-in across the board that things were going horribly for them. Colquette's dropping passes. They've got an undrafted kid at left tackle and a rookie making his debut at right tackle.
Starting point is 02:01:57 Three takeaways in the first half where they get the ball inside the Raiders 25-yard line on all three of them get no touchdowns come out of it with six total points. Everything was going wrong for them. And they still figured out a way to win and Caleb drove them down late and that wasn't a perfect drive.
Starting point is 02:02:16 Cole Comette had the false start. that felt like something to me. I don't know if that's overstating it. I know the Raiders aren't great, but in terms of, oh, yeah, they're buying into this being different coach. It felt different. Yeah, well, maybe it's taking longer for P. Carroll
Starting point is 02:02:30 to change his culture than it is. Sure. And to change in Chicago. Where what makes me happy for Caleb and for Chicago fans was the last drive. And as you said, it wasn't perfect. It was not. But he was able to orchestrate that drive.
Starting point is 02:02:45 There was so many frustrating things. during the course that game where it felt like the same old bears. Yes, it did. And this is two weeks in a row now where they generated four turnovers, which is amazing, fantastic. So these games should be a lot more lopsided in the bear's favor than they are. But that being said, to come out with a win as he continues to grow, that's a real positive. And every week he has in the system and every little bit of success, especially a drive like this, that builds confidence for the quarterback and it builds confidence in the quarterback,
Starting point is 02:03:16 which is really positive. Yeah, for me, he just simply proved that he can get it done. He can be as advertised. What you drafted him for, what you drafted him to be for your franchise, he can deliver in the clutch. And when you look at that last drive, the first play is when you come off the sideline and you get done talking to the coach, like, look, we can't take any negative plays. Can't have any negative plays.
Starting point is 02:03:43 And let's get the drive started. He gets the drive started with the first completion to Swift. And then obviously the first down, you talked about the off-side or the false start. They overcame that. He did that with his legs. Then he hits DJ Moore. He hits on Indusay. Like he made every play that he needed to make on that drive.
Starting point is 02:04:07 And it wasn't just one way. It wasn't just, you know what, I'm just going to use my legs. No, when he needed to throw it and he had a guy open, he was able to throw it. He was able to hit his guys, and when they needed to run it, they still mixed it up. They were still in a position where they could utilize their entire playbook, and it benefited him, but he could use his legs and use his skill set, and he delivered. And I'll say this. There are going to be ugly moments this year, because this is a flawed team.
Starting point is 02:04:33 For sure. They still really can't run the ball. Hopefully they get better at that during the by week. They gave up 240 rushing yards, and I don't really see much of a solid. T.J. Edwards coming back maybe a little bit, but I don't see. see much of a solve for their run defense. So they might win some games that they're not supposed to win, and they'll probably lose some games that they're not supposed to lose.
Starting point is 02:04:52 It'll be an inconsistent year. But I just am as convinced as I've ever been that he's the guy. Like he's got it, and I still think his ceiling is the roof. Even in the losses, there have been throws that you saw in college where you take a step back and he said, wow, that's really impressive. And there's been moments where he's been really impressive. and if they can, if he can continue to just take one or two mistakes a game out of the mix. And it doesn't have to, he doesn't have to get there right away.
Starting point is 02:05:25 He can be slow getting there, but just a little bit of progress each week. And a few of those wild plays, and we're going to see, I think, what we anticipate to see at some point. I know it's crazy, but his skill set still reminds me of the guy you played with. It does. He doesn't throw intercept. He's got a rocket for an arm. He's willing to throw the ball down the field. We know that's who he grew up watching.
Starting point is 02:05:48 He idolized Aaron Rogers. He idolized him. He's a crazy athlete with a crazy big arm who doesn't turn the ball over. Like, I really do think his ceiling is MVP of the league. If he can figure out a way to play on time and not make, listen, he takes too many sacks. He misses layup throws that he shouldn't make. But I still think his skill set is upper echelon. Yeah, it definitely is.
Starting point is 02:06:10 And there are offense that when you look across there are all kinds. look across their offensive unit, like, they got guys now. They've got a bunch of guys. They got a bunch of guys. So you need him to be what we saw yesterday. Yes, we do. The light show returned in Kansas City. I didn't think it was going to come back so soon.
Starting point is 02:06:28 But now is it here to stay? We get into it coming up. Let's go to Kansas City. I'm going to have some of that barbecue that's still laying around. Jack Stack. Delicious. Third rendition of the FTF Bowl, Nick of the Chiefs, victorious, yet again. Xavier Worthy's back.
Starting point is 02:06:43 Maca Holmes, the youngest and fastest to 250 touchdowns. Saw a glimpse of what was the Chief's offense from yesterday year, and they promised was coming back. The light show has returned. Here's Andy Reid on his offense from yesterday. The speed was good. And Pat's got trust. He's developed.
Starting point is 02:07:04 I mentioned that he's developing more trust in five and more trust in 80. And so now you had one into the mix, who he's already got time with game time. I think that's important. So I think that just kind of brought it together, and they fed off of each other's success there. I thought it was noteworthy that the three highest yardage games of Xavier
Starting point is 02:07:23 Worthy's career now are the last three games that he played. If you're like, he's getting better. And he obviously makes an impact. Do you now expect this to be the offense? It's back, the white show. I do. I do because, like, unlike a lot of coaches, I think Andy Reid, what he does is he finds what you're great at, and he uses that to,
Starting point is 02:07:42 the offensive advantage, your advantage. And he puts guys in specific roles. And when a guy is not in that role, you're trying to fill that void with somebody, as he alluded to, that Patrick may not have trust in. And so it's going to look and feel different. The timing may be slightly off.
Starting point is 02:07:58 And so I think this is what they're going to start trending towards looking like. I mean, hanging a bunch of points on the walking dead. They've got seven guys who weren't playing on the defense. What are they? The walking. There's four starters. and they put up points. And then last week, the Giants, they've been struggling in terms defensively as well.
Starting point is 02:08:18 So to say that this is the light show, I think that's, and drop banners, I think that's a little bit presumptuous. I don't have a banner. Well, I'm just saying, for a year. They hadn't been putting up points on anybody. For a year and a half, the offense has been in hibernation, and now they have one good game, and suddenly it's the light show, maybe the night light show. First game with 35 or more points since week three of 2020.
Starting point is 02:08:38 First game. Yeah, 2023. That's a long time. I didn't see it coming. I didn't know. Any opponent, I didn't think the Chiefs offense was able to do that right now. So I will give them credit for that. He wasn't pressured at all.
Starting point is 02:08:52 Like, we haven't seen them. And I get it. I understand that. But it just felt good to see it. It did. I'm going to be honest. Yeah. So, like, they got to do it against Jacksonville.
Starting point is 02:09:03 They got to stack it and all of that. But prove to me that at least they still can do it. And now they're only two more games until they get Rishi Rice back. So you get Rice. Didn't feel good to Baltimore. It did not feel good to Baltimore. But in the context of the light show, it felt good. Coach doesn't believe.
Starting point is 02:09:16 We got them on the night double header. Chiefs. We'll talk about it tomorrow.

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