First Things First - Robert Kraft snubbed from Hall of Fame, Josh Allen joins the show, Mahomes Mountain

Episode Date: February 3, 2026

(0:00) James Harden trade rumors, Robert Kraft snubbed from Hall of Fame (27:35) Will Sam Darnold have a clean game vs. Patriots? (41:12) Good idea for the Cowboys to pay George Pickens?  (47:16) Mahomes Mountain (01:05:07) Josh Allen joins (01:16:48) Brou’s Super Bowl MVP Ballot (01:23:50) Top Ten Tuesday, Should the Bills be motivated by Josh Allen? (01:47:46) Robert Kraft snubbed, Darnold or Maye will have a statement game? (01:57:46) Patriots deserve to be 4.5 point underdogs? (02:06:21) Can the Patriots upset the Seahawks? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

I from New York. It's the show that just realized we don't have any Super Bowl bets on the board outside of like your actual betting, but show bets. Oh, we're going to start kicking them around. Oh, really? Okay. We were betting sequel towers. Well, I mean, the fate of the doorstep of destiny. That's not a bet. That's just kind of like a show segment. I bet you if the Patriots lose, Bru and I beat that thing with Sludgehamers. That's going to be great.

I can't wait. I guess this is a year at least. This is the one year for that segment. Like the bulletin board goes on the robe just goes year after year. The doorstep. Once we're there, we kind of arrive. If they win, Brew, it lives forever. Oh, wow. Does it become doorstep of a dynasty than a problem.

Maybe. If they win, it saves forever. But this is not a bet is what I'm saying. We need to get a bet. Like, like, you know what I'm in for. Shaving your head. Yeah. You want to do that?

You're dying to shave your head. If someone else will meet the stakes. If you really want to feel alive, KW. I know. Watching the Patriots in the Super Bowl, where you know, if they win, your team wins, your boys are lifelong diehard Pats fans by being bonded by a championship. And if they lose, not only is their devastation, but you have to show up Monday with shaved head.

I don't think that was a little. You will feel alive, buddy. You know what I would do? That one show would be great. I would take my hairpiece off like the boxer. Just for one show. First hour, first things first. Today, shouldering the load, Drake's shoulder, feeling better.

Are we expecting him to air it out on Sunday? Meanwhile, friend of the show, Josh Allen joins the show to answer some criticism. Is that what he's doing? Really? That's what I'm going to say. He wanted to come on to respond. He's going to refute you guys because I've believed in him for two years. I've liked him too.

It's really you. I'm a huge fan of him. What? What? What? No, he's not. I might be the biggest Josh Allen fan on the show. Impossible.

Name one negative thing I've ever said about Josh Allen. It turns the ball over too much. That's not, that's not. That's just the truth. Tell him that. Tell him that. I will. Buddy, you turn the ball over too much.

You know why? You know what else told him that? Tom, And you said they're not that good of a team. And guess what? I'm in the Super Bowl and he's doing interviews with us. This was going to be hot. It's not going to be hot.

It's going to be fireworks in this interview. Since when? You don't sound like it. He's a turnover machine. No, I don't think he's a turnover machine. He's a great teammate and a great guy who happens to turn the ball over too much when he's trying to do too much. And his team is no good. We'll talk.

And that's true, Brooke. Okay. We took the AFCs from him. We start with Drake's shoulder. It's feeling better. Thank goodness. Take a listen to the update. Yeah, feel good.

I'll be just fine. I threw a good bit. I threw as much as I would in normal practice and felt great and looking forward to, you know, getting back out there. It felt good from the flight and thrown out there today. I think it's turned a corner and you really had no doubt and being 100% for the game. This is a Super Bowl. We get two weeks to prepare for it.

Do whatever he's got to do to get it right. And I've got confidence and, you know, feel good. There we go. Thank goodness. Here's how he's done this postseason. Not great. 334 yards and a double-digit victory against the Jargers, but still turn the ball over twice.

Against the Texans, he threw for three touchdowns, but again, coughed it up there. And against Denver, got the win. But it was like a snowstorm out there. And I'm like, what are you supposed to do? It was like a scene from Elf, except everyone was, you know, professional football player. It wasn't a snowball fight.

Is he due for a monster game? No. He doesn't really, as excellent as he was this year, there weren't many monster games. The game against Baltimore was the only 300-yard game of his entire career, and there's the Jets game, like the Jets, he had five touchdowns. That was a stat paddock.

I think I could throw for one. And so he had, you know, he was, surgically efficient and early in the year surgically efficient plus incredibly explosive, late in the year, less explosive, still very efficient.

And you can't really find a slice of football where Drake this season was bad. But there is a pretty clear demarcation between when he was excellent and when he was solid. And that is where

who you were playing came into play. So Drake this year against playoff teams, including the playoff games, is one thing I want to show you, which is, again, the team record, very good,

team points per game. That's above league average. That's solid. Team points per game. I mean, a lot of that is like we lit up the Panthers, though, right? I mean, that's only one of seven games. I mean, you played seven, you know,

so no, but a night, you know, eight total touchdowns in seven games, 200 pass yards per game in seven games, and 95 pass a rate. that's not explosive. That's not a monster game. And then when you see where he did have his monster games, you guys played six games this year

against teams that are drafting in the top six. And those were the huge stat games. Now, the right-hand column, that is a level good enough to win on Sunday, just to be clear. The right-hand column is everybody else. The others, yeah. The 235-yard.

You know, one and a half touchdowns to one pick is essentially, or I'm sorry, two touchdowns to one pick, 102 rating. That's all really good. But that wouldn't be a monster game. And so I just think, and that is brew without even factoring in, Seattle has an argument that it's the best defense they will have faced. Do you think the Seattle defense is better than the Texans defense? So here's the thing.

I think it's different. I think the way they are successful is different. but that game that you love that he played against the Texans defense involved him completing 55% of his passes and less than 200 total yards and three turnovers. So like now he did have three touchdowns. But I think the Texans, I felt like the Texans were by far and away the best defense in the league.

And the stats don't say they were. And then all of a sudden it's like, you know, the Seahawks are actually the best. No, I don't think there was a far-in-away best defense in the league. I think that the Texans felt utterly going into that Pats game because the offense had gone into a coma for them and their defense had been awesome in the first playoff game. And the Seahawks were off that week. The Seahawks in Week 18 held the Niners to three points and then didn't play in the first round of the playoffs. And then week two of the playoffs allowed six points.

So I think Texans, Broncos, Seahawks were all in the mix throughout the year as the best event. in football. So I just don't think it's a monster game, bro. You're still... You're still open to... Well, it's a check mark in the Seahawks corner. Those graphics were pretty informed. Wow, I'm really moving through. That what?

We went, that we won most of the games. That Drake doesn't cook against good teams. That's what those graphics show. That he cooks against the tomato cans. I'm just saying... Yeah, Brown's defense. All I'm saying is this a check mark in the Seahawks Corner. That's it.

Okay, sure. I'm still gathering info. You got to step it up, though, because Nick is coming hard. What do we believe in, though, on this side of the desk? Due dates. Due dates. Big time. Pregnancies all over.

He is due. I mean, his last big game. Now, I would say I was more impressed with him against the Texans. I know he had the two fumbles lost four total. He had the interceptions. But he did throw for three touchdowns, didn't throw for 200 yards. And he had been moments. And he ran for 10 yards.

He had less than 200 total yards. But I thought at times he was impressive. But the bottom line is that was not a monster game. And what you want from him is a monster game that's clean. So you want him to be clean. I actually think being clean without a monster game is the most important thing. Because I don't see a shootout. I would love to see a shootout.

I see, though, a lower scoring game where they're really battling. it out for the whole 60 minutes. And if he's clean, that'll be huge for them. But the bad news, Wilds, is this. The Seahawks don't really give up monster guys. Correct. You know, outside of Matthew Stafford. And Baker Mayfield.

Yeah. Those are the two guys all year. Stafford and Baker are the only two to have a 100-passer rating or better. Stafford's only one to throw for three touchdowns or against, or more than two touchdowns against them in a game. this season. So they just don't give up monster games. That's the bad news. The good news is that look, Drake was right there with Stafford all year. He's in the MVP conference. There's two MVP frontrunners. So if one could have a monster game against them, you would think the

other one is capable of doing it. So I'm open to it. I think he's got a chance to do it. And if it's a shootout, Nick, I think he can have a monster game. Win or lose, if it's, if they're are both putting up a ton of points, then I think Drake can do, he can match Darnold throw for throw, yard for yard, touchdown for touchdown. But it's going to be tough against that defense.

A shootout would be shocking. I think Vegas has the over under, I've seen 46. I would be 45. So a shootout would be shocking. You don't buy the, there were Drake and Matthew Stafford were one and two an MVP or two in one,

however you want to look at it. They were the peer in the cream of the crop of the NFL and one guy lit up this defense so the other guy might also be successful against this defense? No, I think it's kind of a false choice because I think you're asking me

to say I believe something that I don't think you, the Patriot fan, believe, which is I don't think you believe that the Patriots path to victory is Drake May having a monster game. I do think the Patriots can win. But I also think Stafford had three significant advantages against Seattle that Drake doesn't have. One is raw experience in the league, 17 years in, having seen every type of defense one can see.

The other one is experience against that specific opponent being a divisional opponent. He played twice last year, twice this year, and then once again in the playoffs. and the third one was Stafford's season was littered with monster games. Stafford, if we were to say, hey, Stafford and Drake May put their 10 biggest, combined, the 10 biggest games those guys had this season and rank them, I bet it would be seven Stafford games and three Drake May games, maybe eight Stafford and two, which is not to say Drake didn't have an MVP case, because if you're like, hey, show me the six worst games,

two guys had. It'd be five Stafford and one Drake made. It was, Drake was just incredibly metronomically efficient and steady. So I just don't, I don't think Monster Game is the Patriots path. I also think they can't win a shootout. I can't is too strong. It is not what I would say their path forward would be. Also, this was a, that side of the desk very recently loved loved them some completion percentage. These playoffs, we have not heard much about completion percentage because your guy is completing 55% of his passes, which is below the Caleb Williams line for the year.

That was the big not much below. Yes. But part of it also is. I think Caleb was 59%. 55% would have been the lowest in the league this year. He hasn't had to, and that's not one bad playoff game dragging it down. He doesn't have a single playoff game. at 60.

So like there are, and no matter how much better it feels, shoulders a little banged up to some degree. There's just not a lot of reason for me to believe that you're about to have what would be objectively the best or second best game of his entire career in this spot against this defense. What do you consider a monster game? Would three touchdowns be a monster?

Three touchdowns in more than 250 yards. Yeah, I was going to say, If he throws for 254 and three touchdowns, no picks. That's a monster game. Yes, absolutely. It doesn't have to be 300 yards. Yeah, 300 yards. Right, 300 yards plus and two touchdowns or 250 plus and three touchdowns,

assuming there's not a bunch of turnovers. That'd be a monster game. Regular season averaged a little under 260. So 300 yards would be a lot, especially against this defense. But I still feel. He just doesn't do that generally. Two touchdowns. Maybe two.

Just two. James Hardin looking for a new team again. Now the Clippers have been rolling of late. They're 15 and 5 in their last 20. But Hardin, according to Mark Stein, is looking for a contract extension, bro. He signed two-year, $82 million extension in the off season. Cavs are supposedly interested. There's some garland talk.

Your reaction to this latest Hardin trade demand, and we go through this about every 18 months or something. It really is around. And because people have been shut. They woke up, oh my gosh, wow, that Hardin, you know, they might trade him. Like you said, they're cooking. I think 17 and 4 going into last night over the last 21 games. Hardin's playing great.

And I hate to say it, but this is just the typical he wants a contract, a new contract. He has one year left on his deal at about $40-something million. It's a player option. He's clearly gone to them and been like, I want a new contract. I'm going to opt out on a new contract. And if not, let's work on a trade. And so look, as well as they're playing, they're not winning the championship this year.

They're not getting out of the West. So if I'm the Clippers, Nick, and I could, Darius Garland is the player in Cleveland. They're talking about 18.6, 7 assists the game. He's been injured. But if I could get him, he's locked up for two seasons after this one. for James Hardin, I'm not going to win the championship anyway. Hardin's 36, Garlands 26.

I'm doing it if I'm the clipper. 100%. Now, if I'm the calves, for this season, look, they've had their issues in the playoffs. They haven't been tough enough, whatever. I get it. Hardin is not the one to carry you in the postseason. But on that team, Mitchell obviously, Donovan Mitchell's the number one guy.

I mean, Mowbly, you can argue, could be the number two guy. And then if you just need Hardin to be that facilitator and, you know, he's going to score his points, but it's really Mitchell and Mobley, then maybe you think, okay, take a shot. The problem is this. And I agree with you. I see your face over there, Nick. Sorry. I'm not, no, no, I'm just, I'm not trying to lock up.

Like, there's no way before Thursday, if I'm Cleveland, I'm agreeing to James Hardwood. Yeah, we're going to give you three years, 120 million. going forward or whatever. There's no way I do that. Look, if they were to trade for Hardin, no contract extension in place, and it goes well for them in the place. Hardin's a great facilitator. Mitchell goes berserk, the Biggs for Cleveland play well,

and maybe they either get to the conference finals and lose in the tough series or get to the finals, then I'll talk with James Hardin about, okay, maybe we can do an extension. But there's no way I'm agree. into that now, especially where Hardin's record in the playoffs of not being at his best. So that's what's going on here. And I can't

think of another team, Nick. I wouldn't have thought Cleveland, to be honest, but maybe Milwaukee, let's see if this can keep Janice here or something like that. I guess Milwaukee, I wouldn't hate it because you're at that point, you're just, you know, just firing off desperation. Desperation. Hail Marys. Darius Garland has been banged up. That toe that he

hurt seems to have really bedeviled him for multiple seasons. He's undersized. He's an imperfect player. I would not trade Darius Garland for James Harden under any circumstances. You know why?

And I'm sorry to be harsh, but if anybody deserves it and this is on the court, it's fair. It's this guy. All this guy does is quit on teams and fold in the playoffs. For a decade.

He goes... And you used to be a huge experience. I was correct. No, I was, when Brew and I first did any TV together, when this show first started 2017, 2018, I argued prematurely. It was more of a projection, but I argued it. He's the best player ever without a ring. And his, is all NBAs, his MVP finishes, scoring title, assist title, 36 a game, 34 game in the regular season that put him next to Carl Malone or Elgin or any of those guys. He's, and eventually he'll get there. And since I started making that argument. He's quit on four teams

and folded in six playoff series. A quick reminder, folks. He went to Houston. They got Dwight Howard. Didn't quite work. Got Chris Paul. That could have worked. They got a little unlucky with Chris's hamstring. He then wanted Chris out. They mortgage all

the picks to bring in Russell Westbrook. That seems like it's working. Game four against the Lakers, two for 11, season over, series over, and then James Hardin's in a fat suit, demanding a train. plays two games, quits on the court, they send into Brooklyn. Brooklyn, it's scary hours time.

That team can win. Kyrie turns his ankle, he hurts his hamstring, comes back for game five, one for 10, game seven against Milwaukee, five for 17. Early next season, quits again. Yeah. And I'm not interested. Daryl saves him, brings him to Philly.

That first playoff series, they have a game six at home, goes four for 16. than a three for seven, a three for 11 in game is seven. And then he goes to China and is like to a bunch of kids on an Adidas tour, who I don't know how many spoke English, he's like, I want to make a statement. Deromore is a liar and I'll never play for his team again. The Clippers trade for him. His first year with the Clippers in the playoffs.

He goes two for 12 and then five for 16 in games five and six. The Clippers swallow it. Then last year in game seven goes two for eight. And they give him an extension. And the team is finally winning this year months after the extension. He doesn't show up for work in Phoenix, goes to an Arizona-A-Arizona State basketball game, 10 minutes from where his team is playing basketball.

They call it personal reasons, and he demands a trade. This guy's, you can't win with this guy. He's an all-time great player and an all-time great quitter and an all-time great choker. That is what his NBA legacy is. So you don't trade for him, Cleveland. Don't do that. It's a bad idea. How about Washington?

Washington would be perfect. You don't have to worry about the playoffs. He can go there and average 28 and 8. It's very disappointing because I've said, and I stand by this regular season. Yes. He is one of the handful of greatest players who he's an all-time great scores and an all-time great playmaker. Like, there are very few of those guys who's just a great pass or assist setup guy, but also can average 30 plus.

But the playoffs, Nick spelled it out, it's just. I don't even mind if you choke in the playoffs. Like, hey, the stage is big. But you can't. No, that separates. Bailing on teams. It's not like a pressure situation. This one is really, I mean, they've all been bad.

But this, like, the team is cruising. The team is winning. And he's probably made half a billion dollars in his career. And the team is shocked. They're like, what? Like, real, like, his own teammates, like, what's going on? He has, the money part of it is so, listen, I understand he left money on the table with Brooklyn with Philly and he feels burnt. The guy made a bajillion dollars from wine in China.

And the Adidas deal is, I think, the fourth biggest basketball contract any players ever gotten in the history of the league. He's close to a billion total in earnings. It's the fourth? The Adidas deal? When it happened, it was. Maybe it has since been... I've yet to see someone wear a pair of hard. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. I'll give you five bucks. I've been fresh. You can walk from here to the Statue of Liberty. And call me if you see some wear it. Oh, you got New Hardens. What do they look like? Just draw one.

Just draw one. Just draw one. If you're out home, just draw a pair of arning. They got three stripes on them. That's all I'm going to. No, that's some Grady. Shoot. Sorry, go ahead.

The relationship between Belichick and Patriots owner Robert Kraft has been frosty. And now they've both been iced out of the Hall of Fame. Now, Robert Kraft has been in the mix for the Hall of Fame. But this was his first year as a finalist. And he did not get the 40 of the 50 votes that he needed. Here's his quick resume. 32 seasons as the Patriots owner, won a bunch of games. 20 division titles pretty good.

This is the 11th Super Bowl appearance, as Coach Me and Jeannie talked about with his third head coach. That's six wins soon to be seven Sunday night. Your reaction to this latest snub. This has to be personal. I don't know what else it could be. Maybe another voting quirk. I know they wanted L.C. Greenwood and Ken Anderson and all those guys on a hallfairn.

But. he's got the best resume of any owner in professional sports, I would say. I mean, I'm, you know, I'm not thinking about baseball. But who, this, the Patriots, I'm older than you, the Patriots were an afterthought before he got there. Yeah. They were just a team in the league.

I mean, they got there one year to Steve Grogan, I think, to the Super Bowl. Got crushed their, yeah. They weren't. They were nothing. I mean, honestly. And he hires Bill Parcells. He hires Bill Belichick, who hadn't done nothing to make you think he was going to become a great coach. And now he hires Mike Vable.

He's won six Super Bowls as many as any other franchise. The Steelers, the only other one that equals six. He's been to 11 himself more than any other franchise. Like, and I know Belichick, I have. agree if they wanted to keep him out for a year because of you know spy gate and all that okay fine this guy's been eligible to be in the hall of fame for years decades and he's not and you got somebody like jerry jones in there so this makes me wonder this clearly isn't we're punishing him for a year so i don't what what i can't think of one reason unless they're going to keep

Patriots out for Spygate? Like all up? No, I don't think. I think this is actually less objectionable, and I think it's actually a math problem, which is why I'm not as fired it up as everybody else. So buried in some of the Belichick reporting was someone saying he actually did only come one vote shy, that he was 39.

Belichick. You need 40. So here's why that's relevant. It's 50 guys. They all submit three names. So there's 150 votes possible. If Bill Belichick gobbled up 39 of them without getting in, there's now, you can do that math, only 111 votes to go around. We know a lot of these voters prioritized the players.

So my guess is, what the details on this is, he probably came a few votes short. And I also think the math, because once you get, if Belichick got in the 30s and didn't get in, you now don't have the requisite 120 votes. needed to get three other guys in. So Belichick will have missed and no one will, you won't have a three-person seniors class. I'm guessing the way this is going to end up is we are going to have a one-person senior class because the voters didn't do a good enough job in good enough job or whatever in figuring out who, everybody split votes with everybody else is what I think happened. So I'm guessing that some people voted for Belichick instead of Kraft.

Some people voted for Kraft instead of Belichick, and those people voted for two players, a lot of them. And then none of them got to the 40 votes needed. But what about previous years? Well, they changed the process on it. So, like, it didn't used to be you nominated one contributor, one coach, and three players. And so previous years, I'm not quite certain, if I'm being totally fair, the reporting from people around the Hall of Fame said he was in route and then he had his incident in Florida and that put him on the back burner.

And so that happened. Now this was going to be his moment. And that was a few years ago. And so I think he will eventually get in. He's got to. All the more momentum for my idea. You could put Kraft and Belichick and Grunk, let Brady go in a year early, put them all in together next year. and a Vinatary Richard Seymour and Rodney Harrison can get in as well. You can have an all Patriot class and make up for all of this next year.

Hall of Fame adjacent Julian Edelman. He's not a not, he has not yet made the semi-final. Look at the playoff numbers. Sam Donald had an eventful media day. We discuss how big of a game he's going to have, but here's the best part of his Q&A. Take a listen. He made it just for me.

You did not make this. How about that? That's perfect. There you go. Everybody, come for Sam. No, no, you guys are good. You really don't have to do that.

Have I been on eBay looking at vintage Daytona 500 shirts? Yes, I have. Hey, those are, this is a great problem. This is the best I've ever looked in any phone. You look great. I think I should wear that type of outfit on it every day. Can we, when we're at Daytona, yeah. wear that?

Yes, they're hot, though. It's all right. It's cold everywhere. And just the top. We don't have to wear the whole. No, the whole thing and the shoes. What are you going to do if we catch on fire? We're at Daytona 500.

Sam Donald has had a clean playoffs so far, but he did lead the league in turnovers this year. Patriots defense has forced eight turnovers these playoffs. Here's Sam with a cameo from Drake May on the Patriots defense. Incredible defense. You know, just the scheme, first and foremost, it's great scheme, but the players, they make it come to life. And you see that on tape. I enjoy watching their defense play.

And it's been funny, you know, usually you can watch a defense every now and then, and you know, you might have some crossover, but there's been no crossover this year with us, you know, playing any common opponents as the Patriots. And so it's been really fun, you know, the past week or so getting to dive into this defense and just how fast they are and how great a scheme they have. We both played Tampa though, didn't we? Both played, I think you both played the NFC South, didn't you? Yeah.

Yeah. What's he talking about? Well, he's just, I don't know. Somebody's not locked in, dude. Led the NFL on turnovers before making the Super Bowl in the last 30 years. Eli and Sam Darnold. So heck, I guess. Bad news for you, buddy.

Right. How'd that one? I guess that's a good thing. That is not good. Coach, you trust Sam Darnold to have a clean game. No, I don't trust Sam Donald to have a clean game. I think that he's going to have an opportunity. I hope he does because I love his story,

but I do think that New England brings a lot of different looks, a lot of different packages, game plan specific things. They're going to do a good job of disguising, and they're going to force him to make post-snap decisions. So it's going to come down to how well he can assess what they actually are in after the snap, and that creates great opportunities for him because there's going to be times where guys aren't in there. the exact spot they need to be.

And if he can take advantage of it, there's chances for big plays. But there's also chances for New England to generate huge plays, either with strip sacks, interceptions, all those, all those things that come with forcing a quarterback to make post-snap decisions. Yeah, look, I think he can play a game where he doesn't throw an interception. But like you said, you saw the turnovers. It was 20. I think 14 interceptions and six fumbles.

So I think a key is the pass rush. So if New England, if he's fairly comfortable. then I think he can play a clean game. But if they can get enough of a rush, and they've been great in the postseason with the past rush, if they can pressure him and get him uncomfortable, then either an interception or two or a fumble should be on the table for him. But the interceptions, I do think he can be clean in there

because if you look at, he had 14 interceptions, as I said, six of them were against the Rams. And two games. Right, and two games. So if you take out those two regular season games against the rams, In his 17 games this year, the other 17, he's only had eight interceptions. And so I think that he can play a clean game if they give him a little protection. The key is fumbling, though.

I'm worried about it. I hate but respect the Seahawks difficulty with the Rams. It just makes it very difficult. Like, just take out these Rams games and Sam Darnold's better and the defense is way better. It's interesting that they've had such a problem with the Rams. There's a prolific quarterback their face. And the deep, you know, I get it. But they had a ton of trouble, statistical trouble with them.

And listen, they only lost three times all year. One of them was to the Rams. And they could have gone 0 and 3 against them. Yeah. They could have, in theory, could have gone 3 and 0 against them. But yeah, the Rams, and there is less of a, well, if Matt Stafford did it against the Seattle defense, why can't Drake May? Less of that applies to the Rams

Stevens and the Pats defense. Like, because the Pats' Stevens better than the Rams' defense. Yeah, it's weird. You're definitely going to hate my answer to this, and you might hate my answer to this. Me and coach are in lockstep, so I'm going to,

whatever coach says, I agree. Despite the fact that Darnold's thrown, like, his last hundred passes or something without throwing a pick somewhere on there. Your last three games. Yeah, 107. Oh, no, I swear. Just didn't.

Three straight game. I didn't cheat off your paper, buddy. How'd you even know it was on my paper? You just asked me if I cheated off your paper. Great question. I don't trust him to have a clean game. I don't trust Drake to have a clean game. And I don't think it necessarily matters.

Because there are only two teams in the league all year who are totally equipped and totally used to winning games when their quarterback turns it over multiple times. And they are the two teams. playing in this game. Two teams all year with a winning record and the two teams with the most wins when their quarterback has two plus turnovers. It's these two teams. The Seahawks are five and one when their quarterback turns it over multiple times. The Patriots are four and one when their quarterback turns it over multiple times. So for one reason or another, both of these teams probably because of how well-rounded they are, well-coached they are. They have been able to

overcome more than any other team in the league by a lot. And no other teams above 500 and no other team has more than three wins. Both these teams are well above 500 and more than three wins in that circumstance. Who do, have I compared Drake May to? Sam Darnold. Sam Darnold. This is the, this is that they both have that potential to spiral and they both have that potential to have really impressive big, big games.

And that's my question with Sam is if something happens early. Is it going to be like that Rams one game where it goes to four picks? Does he spiral or is he able to, okay, take a step back, go, you know, recoup and then go back out and play the next series? And to some degree, with Drake, it'll be the same thing. The moment, especially early in the Super Bowl, the tension of the early part of the Super Bowl is real. And then once you get through that initial part of it, then it settles down. You're just back into a regular game. So it's...

So I assume. Josh knows that, right? That this is like Josh's ninth Super Bowl, I think. Yep. That Josh is accounting for how nervous Drake is going to be early in the game. Just from the Denver game, he didn't play great, obviously, and I do think some of it was nerves. But to win the game, he's like, you know what? I'm going to call my own number here and get the first down and send us to the Super Bowl.

So I saw a nervous guy early in the game, and late in the game, I saw like, you couldn't be. Except we know now, no, he didn't call his own number. No, so. Josh McDaniel's called us. Well, still. But this is, this is what we always do in that situation is you don't tell anybody else. So when you're on the headphone, you tell the quarterback, hey, look, call this play. Don't tell anybody you're going to keep it.

Just, you know, just tell them. You know, we're running. So, wait, that's been done before. It really was a non-story. Right, right. We're not sending that ball to Canton? No, they made it. Right.

They made it out to be like, oh, my God. Well, you always do. Never with a young quarterback. You've seen. I'm doing. You've seen different guys do it over time. So the whole deal is you don't want anybody else to know because you want them to sell out on the play that's being done because that's the most effective way to get the defense to bite.

So you're just in the headset, you're like, you're going to keep this, but tell everybody else for running this play. I would still feel some kind of way if I was on the offensive line. I would have done my job regardless. You can tell me. They're basically saying you're no Jackson Blade. We can't trust you to act. Jackson Blade could do it.

Another point in Seattle's favor. Thank you. What was it? I thought Drake had come up with some fantastic play on his own. It's just mundane. The bills have a new coach. They also have a new offensive philosophy, an article by Tyler Dunn on go longtd.com.

Outlines what looks to be a more aggressive offensive approach from the new bills coach. Against the elite quarterbacks, Mdermott would stress the need to possess the ball and play keepaway. Brady was a good soldier who respected his boss. He surely remembered how he got the OC job. McDermott fired Ken Dorsey because he believed Dorsey's balance was out of whack. Brady also did not demean or criticize McDermine, okay?

I don't think he had demeaned or criticized. It sounds like Joe Brady was a source for the story. But it was clear. He talked with Brady and Brandon Bean. He would have called a few games differently if he was in charge. So are you expecting a more aggressive Bill's offense or just your reaction to this blurb?

No, I think you will. And at this point, and we're going to talk to Josh in about 45 minutes. I'm asking this. I have in the past pushed back on the Josh Allen Brett Fav comps because up until a year ago, Josh

hadn't won an MVP. Favre won three in a row. Josh still hasn't been to a Super Bowl. Fav went to back to back and won one. But stylistically, I do understand the comp. Now, Fav was not as devastating a runner as Josh, obviously. But

in order to get, the best Brett Fav, you had to accept some of the worst Brett Fav. And I think you saw the playoff game they just lost, four turnovers is you can't overcome that. But they were in position to overcome three of them. They couldn't win. Right. When they were, when he was sitting at three, they were with the ball in overtime. And one of those three was an outrageous mistake.

Like that it doesn't have to be a part of anything. I just think trying to put a governor on Josh Allen unless Brandon Bean over the next offseason or two is able to build a far better supporting cast where it's like, oh, we have a great roster. But I don't see that for Buffalo. So I do think you have to lean into your biggest strength, which is Josh Allen's ability to make magic.

And I don't think coach he's ever going to be this cautious. surgeon of a quarterback. Like, I hate this quote. Against elite quarterbacks, he made him play keepaway. What a, wow, what a terrible idea of my head coach. Against elite quarterbacks, he made him play keep him away.

What were their sets? They were won in rush yards, fourth and total yards, fourth in points, terrible offense, fourth in points, 15th in passing yards. Okay. How did he win the MVP? What was the reason Josh Allen won the MVP? He cut back on his turnovers. I don't think that's some subjective

crazy idea that I had. That was pretty well documented that everybody said, okay, he was able to cut back his turnovers and it made a big difference. So now because they're going to take the governor off him, because McDermott did such a terrible job trying to keep elite quarterbacks off the field, when defensively they were 28th against the rush, 12th in points per game, seventh and yards per game, and first against the pass. So the defense did have some struggles. So the idea of supporting the defense and playing complimentary football, that's the reason why you fire a guy. To me, that makes total sense why you'd get rid of a guy because he tried to pay complimentary football and win games from a holistic approach. And you make a decision because a catch wasn't a

catch and guys were crying in the locker room and now you're justifying it. Like, come on. I mean, look, they were struggling. I think there were 500 when Brady took over for Dorsey and then they play great football from that point on. But the last two years, Josh has thrown it the least of his whole career other than his rookie season. Last year, he was 16th in the league in the attempt. And his touchdown percentage has remained fairly, and interception percentage are pretty close to what they were when he was throwing it a lot more before Dorsey or Brady took over. So what I would do, I would be willing to try it, coach. I mean, I would be willing to see, can we get more out of Josh?

Because those years that he was throwing 15 interceptions year, he was also throwing nearly 40 touchdowns too. And they obviously were successful those years, too. But you do it even with that receiver that they didn't want to draft? Keiaco. Well, Bean's quote, too. McSorpe would force him to draft that guy. Bean said that he has to go out and get the horses

to support what Brady wants to do, which presumably means you're going to get a legit number one receiver. Well, he's got those two pro bowlers out of the 52 picks or whatever it is. No, look, I'm pretty high. Coach, I hear you against, you know, Bean. I'm just saying, like, don't try to justify a decision after the fact and kill a dude for trying to play complimentary football. They were being respectful, coach.

It said they were being respectful. He was right. He was a good soldier. Yeah, he was a good soldier. He didn't kill him in the private interview either. Once the Super Bowl final whistle blows, that's when I turned into Taylor Sheridan. Wow. Drama about the Cowboys in Texas.

That's me. What? What are you want to? A Taylor Charity. I'm like land. For execution. There is a better way. You really believe.

Because there's a lot of drama. Yeah, I get it. And I'll be writing the scripts. Go ahead. George Pickens, both productive and puzzling. Here he is on his contract with a special cameo from C.D. Lamb and guess who else? Michael Parsons. Wow.

Here's Clarence Hill. Take a listen. Jerry said because of you got Michael's money. You're going to give Michael's money because if Michael's not there, they can pay you. I mean, it's a very possibility. Everything in life is a possibility. But we definitely could have used. We definitely could have used his talents. We know he was in Dallas for a long time.

He loved it. But all I can say is a very high possibility. First of all, perfect question from Clarence Hill. That just made the whole area. That was well done Michael. All right, was this a good idea to sign George Pickens? Would it be a good idea? Yeah.

Yeah. No, he hasn't been signed yet. Well, look, Pickens was fantastic this year. I would be willing to give him the franchise tag. Oh, he won't like that. happy. But here's the deal. Okay, we know how great he was this year offensive.

So they had the seventh best scoring offense in the league this year with Pickens being great. Last year, we could throw out, DAC was hurt, but they went down to 21. But the three previous years, no George Pickens, they were first, the highest scoring offense in 2023, fourth in 2022, highest scoring in 2021, without George Pickens. So honestly, I would say, instead of. other than the franchise tag, if he won't accept that, I would use that money to go get some defensive players. I am going to have a high-powered offense just with DAC and C.D. Lamb and whatever else we got. So he's great.

And I don't know if I'd feel this way, Coach, if Pickens hadn't lolly gagged in two games in the last few critical games. So that did not sit well with me and it shouldn't sit well with the Cowboys. Yeah, if you pay CD and you pay DAC and now you pay Pickens, you're on that Cincinnati Bengals program, and that's hard to sustain. The other issue is this was a great season by George Pickens, but there's been some challenges over the course of his career, and Pittsburgh was willing to move on from them. Typically, when Pittsburgh moves on from a wide receiver, you know, there's pretty good reasons as to why that happened. So whenever you make the decision to pay a player, especially the high market value, whatever behaviors that player is demonstrated, we don't know what's going on in the building. I don't know any of the backstory. But whatever behaviors there are, those things get magnified.

And you have very little recourse once you pay that type of money in terms of trying to manage the situation. So you really need to make that decision. not just in the context of how you're building your team, but also in the context of once we pay this guy, what is that going to look like? And if you could structure a contract where you're chasing the upside, I think that's a much better situation,

but a guy like George Pickens with that production is probably going to have alternatives, and I imagine not settle for that structured of a deal. So I'm a bit of a sucker for Charming. Oh, sure. Wow. And I want to, to root for George Pickens because his talent is undeniable and when he's in a good headspace, like even in just that little 20 seconds there, I find him like, I'm like, oh, this is an affable

kind of funny, good-natured kid. What about when he's doing wrestling moves on the field? The problem is he has a long history from college to now of just not being able to stay locked in and professional on the football field. And I would be terrified if that guy did that in the waning moments of his contract year, what he would look like in year one of a massive deal. So I thought I was going to be in the minority here because I wrote, it's just not,

I wouldn't personally pay this player. But to kind of gel our previous two segments, I do wonder if you couldn't in this circumstance use the bills open, desperation against them a bit. Be like, hey, we are going to, you know, we're going to franchise tag and trade George Pickens to the highest bidder. You guys missed out on Jalen Waddle. You missed out on other things.

You're talking about having an explosive offense again. You know, would George Pickens and a third round pick be worth your first round pick? Oh, my God. I would love, holy God. If I'm Buffalo, I would love to get yours. But then they then have to pay them and they deal with it. But if you're Buffalo, it's like we are, we're all. in as is and we have a huge

need there. That to me is, it would be better use it for Dallas. They traded a third for Pickens to recoup more than that after your production would be good business and for Buffalo would fill a need. So I wouldn't pay him if I were in Dallas but somebody, he obviously, if he were on the open market,

would get paid a ton of money. So Spottrack for what it's worth predicts Pickens at four years, 122 million. Yeah, 30 million a year. It's a lot of money. He's a tremendous risk. He's a tremendous player is just scary. Yeah. slipperyest and iciest segment in all of sports coming up next, a special Super Bowl veteran. Who must have gotten a different mouth?

Because for him to have a lot of issues, it's a perfect place. I didn't think there was a lot of issues. I did, my. I'm from New York. It's the show that has, what are you doing? I'm excited for Josh Allen. Yeah, Josh Allen's coming up in a half an hour. As the show's only, listen, O.T. Danny's Josh Allen died, but his regulation, I'm the only Josh Allen guy.

I don't think that's. Oh, who's the only guy that's believe in the bill's last two years from start to finish? I hope he hasn't watched any of the earlier show. Right. The roller coaster and all that. We're going to ask him about that. Did we pull the cartoon dust? Yeah, we did.

I don't know if that's you, but the guy has a strike. It's a striking resemblance. Yeah. But no high. It also looks like he's wearing the suit I'm wearing today. I don't know if it's you or not. Some similarity. Second hour, first things first.

Josh Allen coming up in half an hour. Today, Bruce Ballot. Super Bowl MVP. Are you doing Dark Horse Ballot 2 or just regular? I kind of went out on a limb with somebody. Wow. Now, you haven't made your prediction yet, but if you have Darnold that won, it feels like you would be tipping your end.

Well, I said I'm leaning, I'm leaning Seattle. I've been leaning Seattle since the game, you know, championship games. Yes, where they got lit up by the Rams. And then Nick and Coach have given me some good fodder for leaning into the Seahawks. You haven't. You got to give me some stuff. It's been coaches all patriots. Yeah, but he was talking about

Drake made. Drake turning it over and all that or something. Sam Darnel. And one of Drake's things, and I don't make a big issue of it, was a throwaway Hail Mary interception. Okay. That I'm supposed to, that's supposed to move me? And four of his fumbles, his team recovered.

Like, you take the good and the bad, buddy. Pretty fortunate. I need some good graphics from you in the next few days. They're coming up. Dust? I don't like to be yelling during the show. It's we're on the iciest segment in all of sports, Mahomes Mountain. Right now, we're at the end of our climb.

We're five days away from the summit, and only two quarterbacks remain. Every day is a new challenge. A win on Sunday, might get Drake and Darnold on the spot. This newest edition of the Mountain, it's a special Super Bowl veterans edition of Mojum's Mountain. You've been busy lately or something, bro? I don't want to do the, you know what I don't want to be? A cartoon character anymore. How about that?

How about I don't want to have people in my mentions yelling at me because a rodent in the middle of Pennsylvania said there's going to be eight more weeks of winter. That's not actually me. Maybe I just want to give cogent analysis. Well, that's, well, then, buddy. This is it. This is not as a Patriots are good.

I mean, this is unbelievable. You were fine being that guy when they were terrible. I'm not asking to do the whole AI stuff. Yeah. Well, Gianna always said. AI. This is the hard. You just seen the AI thing.

They're like, hey, did you see the AI? My head turns around like the actresses, and I'm looking at my own rear end. True story. That's fine. At least put on the goggles. You put on the goggles. I'm up doing the work. What's the work?

Best quarterback. No, Joe Montana. No. This took a long time. It shouldn't have. I could have it in two minutes. Tom Brady. I'm aware of how much time we.

We have. Dusty is pulling his air out. You cause you start the mountain meeting. Here are the guys amazingly. This just based on your quarter, your Super Bowl performances. Wow. These guys between them, Brew, you've already seen it. I mean, that's

But I'm still, that shot. I mean, look at those. Coach. These guys have been to 12 Super Bowls between them. They've won five. They are not on the mountain because he's. the mountain because here is the truth.

And it's also a reminder for if you are considered the star quarterback and those guys obviously all were the injured behind your team, it doesn't matter how well you play in the Super Bowl if you win it. People are just like you won these Super Bowls. That is true. Or they won six Super Bowls between them. Pardon me, but here are their numbers in the Super Bowl. John Elway, five Super Bowl appearances, three touchdowns of 59 passer rating.

Peyton Manning. Yeah, eight picks. Peyton Manning, four Super Bowl appearances. Three touchdowns, 77 pass, arena. Big Ben, three Super Bowl appearances, 214 yards, three touchdowns, five picks, 70 rating. So again, all-time legendary players, not legendary Super Bowl performers,

which brings us to our six row, 21 players Super Bowl quarterback mountain. Bottom row, please. Jalen Hertz. and his career 109 passer rating, three passing touchdowns, three rushing touchdowns, one and one record. Brett Farr, five touchdowns, one pick,

this close to being a back-to-back Super Bowl champion, Elway, and the diving, spinning first down denied him that. Russell Wilson, a 117 career passer rating, he would have been, I have no idea how high, If not, for the one interception he threw in his Super Bowl career was a game losing interception to deny himself back-to-back. Aaron Rogers, just won Super Bowl win ever, but three touchdowns, no picks.

Drew Breeze, won Super Bowl whenever, two touchdowns, no picks. And the one person on the Mountain Coach, who did not win a Super Bowl, Jake Delome, the greatest performance in a Super Bowl loss, playing an all-time great defense. Both of our seats, he's got hurt in the fourth quarter. quarter. Okay, coach. It was some staff

padding going on. It wasn't the stat padding. The Patriots needed a field goal at the gun to win. He threw for 320, three touchdowns, no picks, 114 rating. It's a testament to you guys. Eugene Wilson and Rodden and both got hurt. Okay, let's just put into context. Row five are one timers,

but man, oh man, was it amazing their one time. Steve Young, 350 yard, six touchdowns. Pretty good. Phil Sims, damn near a perfect game. 88% completions, three touchdowns, a 151 rating, highest single game rating Super Bowl history. Nick Foles, KW and I were looking at it today. Yeah.

Three passing touchdowns, one receiving touchdown, a kind of bad merchandise statue out beside the stadium, notwithstanding. Still. Joe Flacco, part of an all-time playoff heater culminating in a three touchdown, 124-past rating Super Bowl, and then Doug Williams, four touchdowns, 340 passing yards, 128 rating.

They all only played in one. They only need to play in one. They were all time performances. Now to the top 10, Eli, couple of the greatest throws in Super Bowl history that throw to Mario Manningham. Obviously, if you remember the helmet catch one, the Manningham throw was the really unbelievable one. Two and O beating the greatest player of all time in both of them,

including denying an undefeated season. Jim Plunkett, who played in two Super Bowls, one of both, had four touchdowns, had no picks, had a 123 rating, and has kind of just forgotten the NFL history, to be totally honest. Not a great career out loud of the... But those Super Bowl is pretty damn great. Troy Aitman, five touchdowns in three Super Bowl games,

one interception, undefeated, and Kurt Warner, who really is a couple bounces away from potentially having three rings. Yeah. And in those, he played in three Super Bowls and averaged 385 passing yards. Who across three Super Bowls through a 70 yard touchdown to take the lead with two minutes left in Super Bowl against Arizona. Obviously was right there with you guys.

Yeah, pick six. And in that. Well, well, you know what? And he's one in two. Then seven super touchdowns if you include the pick six. Yeah. pick six. And yes, one and two.

One win, two losses. I was just saying was a couple of bounces away potentially being three and oh. Roe three. Terry Bradshaw. First two Super Bowls, he didn't have to do much. He obviously did much throughout the year.

We didn't have too much in this Super Bowl. Last two Super Bowls, they needed to score points. They scored some points. He's four in O in Super Bowls. Bart Starr, two and O in his two Super Bowls, three touchdowns, one pick. And Roger Stallock went to four, one, two of them, eight touchdowns in those four Super Bowls.

And now the top three, Joe Montana, a perfect 11 touchdown, zero picks in Super Bowl games, and Patrick Mahomes, who is second most all-time in Super Bowl history in touchdowns, yards, and Super Bowl MVPs. And then, of course, atop the mountain, Tom Brady. He's been to 10. He won seven. He's most all time and literally everything, except for sneakily, not most all time in interceptions. Elway has that distinction. So most all time and everything good, not most all time.

And the one bad thing, even though he's played in 10 of them, he is atop Mahomes Mountain Super Bowl only edition. Coach, it's a great mountain. Look, I love the Mahomes mountains that you've been putting together, you know, in the playoff run. And this is another good one. Thank you. I actually, I'm moving Eli. up. Oh, wow. And you talked about the fact that the idea of a heater. That first run, okay, so they beat, they beat Tampa Bay on the road. Then they go and they beat Dallas,

who is the number one seed. They were the fifth seed, which the first time that ever happened. Then they go to Green Bay, and they beat Green Bay in overtime to go to the Super Bowl. Then they deny New England an undefeated season, which is amazing. His second run, so he's the MVP of that game. His second Super Bowl was the same thing. They had the worst record of anybody in the NFC that year. And it's a, they beat Atlanta pretty handily. Then they beat 15 and one Green Bay. 15 and one Green Bay in Green Bay.

And they're the defending Super Bowl chance, I believe, that year. Then they go to San Fran. They beat San Francisco in overtime. Then they beat the Patriots again. Now the Patriots are only two point favorite, two point to an half point favorites, I think, in that game, as opposed to the 12 and a half that they were in the first game. He was an MVP the second time.

And look, I'm a huge Roger Stalbeck fan, but he was two and two, and he was MVP one of those two seasons. So look, the idea of saying anything negative about Roger Stalbeck, I don't, I'm not. But you just want Eli. I'm not, but I do think Eli's runs is pretty. So here's, here's, I guess, the one, so the Super Bowl runs graphic is instructive. And here would be the one distinction. Because Eli does have an argument to be higher. And I'm not even trying to be like Smarilik here.

It really is purely how you performed in the Super Bowls themselves. So Eli, like toughest best paths to a championship or, you know, that would then incorporate going to 15 and one Green Bay. All the road wins. This one, now what helps Eli. It doesn't have two MVP. No, two Super Bowl MVP's, which is noteworthy. And I think the eras too where the Dallas Cowboys, there's no free agency. They were able to keep that group together.

They had so many Hall of Famers on that team. No, that's fair. Listen, where it's parsing a bit on my end. Eli could have been up there. The tie, honestly, might have gone for me. Kind of have all the old timers on one row. It kind of made more sense. But I understand.

Like, nobody's really going to argue about Bart Starr. I mean, Brew Watson, but aside from us, I was going to say, Bruce. He covered the goal? Brew, go ahead. All right, since I did see these games, I have a lot of corrections. You can't have a lot. And I hate to do this because I'm the first guy that called him Jordan. You can't be against Mahers.

I'm the first guy that said he was the greatest quarterback we've ever seen. I know it. But I am switching, I am moving Patrick Mahomes down. Terry Bradshaw up. He loves Terry Bradshaw. Because look at the numbers. But you're moving Mahomes down to the fourth row? Yes, and I'll get to that.

But Terry Bradshaw up. Look at the numbers. Bradshaw 4 and 0 verse 3 and 2 in the Super Bowl. Passer rating demolishes it. Touchdown interception in Bradshaw's favorite. Yards per attempt almost doubles him. Yards per game, Mahomes got that and completion. Two of Bradshaw, the reason the yards were attempt so high is Bradshaw's first two Super Bowls.

He completed nine passes in each of them. He has some of the most iconic throws to live. to Lynn Swan and John Stalworth in Super Bowl history. His first Super Bowl, he went for 96 yards. Look at the numbers. Look at the passer rate. They were not a passing team. And he still was awesome.

And then look at this. Look at his regular season numbers, this is why I compare him to Jalen Hertz. Look at the improvement in the Super Bowl. And Mahomes has actually declined in every single category in the Super Bowl versus regular season. Brasaw improves in the regular season or in the Super Bowl. Passer rating is 40 points higher.

Mahomes is 14 points lower. Every single thing. Touchdown percentage, interception percentage, yards per attempt. Can I do my Mahomes defense or do you want to go further before I go? Well, this is where I'm at on Brascia. I'm going to tell you why I'm dropping him to the fourth row though. So though, because Mahomes has had some bad Super Bowls. you know, most notably his last one.

But so that's Bradshaw. I don't think he's even an argument that Bradshaw should be higher. This is hard to see, but I got Mahomes down to four. My third row is Aikman, who was 3 and O, Bart Starr, 2,0, and Eli, 2, and O. And again, all of them have Mahomes whipped and pass a rating in touchdown interception ratio, in yards per attempt. He's up there in yards per game. Touching out of three to one.

Like, and that's, I mean, I, so. Mahomes is. This touchdown interception ratio is not impressive. So here, but here's, I guess, what is impressive and why I think having him on the fourth row is. He's done more, he was more impressive than Troy Aikman in Super Bowl. Drew, this is, I mean, he has more Super Bowl MVP, certainly. It's not just about MVP.

A lot of times that's, no, but there was. It's not just about Super Bowl MVP. But Drew, but every Super Bowl MVP, Mahomes is won. You have been on the air the next day. That's fine, but he also lost two Super Bowls and was terrible in the last Super Bowl. And there's two losses he was bad. Well, I think he was bad in one of the Super Bowls, the last one. I don't think he was bad in the other loss, but that's fine.

But here, this is why, so here's Mahomes career numbers in Super Bowls. I don't know how he's first, second or third. He's been to five. That's why. Yards. I mean. Super Bowl MVP's. He's ninth in rushing yards.

He's a quarterback. I just, I, and yes, going to five helps you when we're evaluating. who the best Super Bowl quarterbacks are if you've been good in four of them. So I just, if you want to have Bradshaw ahead of him, I think Bradshaw ahead of him is, I thought you might go there, and I think that's legitimate.

I think saying Aikman or Eli were better Super Bowl quarterbacks than Patrick Mahomes, I think, is great. Eli? Eli beat Tom Brady as a 12-point underdog, made the plays, made the throws that got it done, like miraculous throws. Yes. I don't know how you would have Mahomes over Eli.

Because I think... Just in the Super Bowl. Right. And Mahomes in the Super Bowl had twice double-digit comebacks against the league's number one defense. Has led three game-winning drives in the Super Bowl? Has the second or third most everything in the Super Bowl? Yeah.

So I just think he's one of the... He's probably up there and interceptions, too. Well, most interceptions. Yeah, I think he's probably third. He's got more than Brady. Yeah. Brady is 60. twice as many. Go ahead, KW.

I just want to focus on this year's Super Bowl. Do you see a scenario where Sam Darnold or Drake May can crack this list? Because I was trying, I was out of- Definitely. I wanted to go. The reason why we were looking up Nick Foles coach is I thought, oh, it would be great to knock Nick Foles off of this list. Not going to do that. No.

I don't think either guy is going to do that. Jalen Hertz just played outstanding. He also has had, let's see, he led the leading rushers from the last five Super Bowls. Okay, so he was the leading rusher in the last Super Bowl at 72. But who do you think is the most vulnerable outside of Delome if you see Dore?

Well, I mean, I'm not sure who I think the most vulnerable is. But what I will tell you is that entire fifth row or guys who only ever played in one Super. And so one all time great performance get you, you know what I mean, on there. Like the, those guys. Folls, we can't get to. You could get to Flacco.

Flacco maybe. Phil Sims is completed 88% of his best. Pass rating 151. Yeah, no, it's the highest pass rating. All those guys were incredible. Yeah. I'll just take the win I decided. Yeah.

Don't worry, my house. But I'm trying to get out on the mountain. Just take the win. Well, welcome back to first things first. Joining us now on behalf of Natrol is Josh, Alan Josh. we've got 100 questions for you, but first we want to ask you about natural, which you're here to promote. Yeah, I think it just kind of starts off with trying to figure out my training and my diet over the last couple of years.

And sleep was maybe one thing that I was neglecting. And finding natriol and just being able to help prioritize my sleep, dial my sleep schedule in, waking up, refreshed, reenergized, and ready to go. And obviously, this offseason is a big one, having a baby. so definitely need as much sleep as I can. That's going to be a tough one. Yeah, well, you timed it well, though. Offseason would be better, the best time for you. All right, Josh, so I don't know if you're a fan of print media,

but there's been some controversy on the show on whether or not this comic that appeared in a Buffalo newspaper was... I mean, not great. We're in the same suit in time. I'm not saying it's you. Oh, is that Nick? I mean, there's no way to tell. It's definitely Nick.

It sure looks like coincidental, my hair, beard, nose, jacket, and tie. From like two years ago. So, I guess it's, you can settle it if that's you or not. It looks like I'm not to what you're wearing now. Which is, that comic is from two years ago. And this, and my wife, who does my clothes, pick this outfit for me two weeks ago. So this is a coincidence, but maybe it's me.

meant to be. So I, here's an awkward question, but I'll just ask it. If you're aware of any of our show or anything I've done, do you think I'm unfair to you? I don't think so. I mean, I think you guys do such a great job. I think some of these bits for you guys are coming in on stretchers and you're looking like me on my crutches the other day at the conference. It's usually me. That's usually me, John. We understand, right? The media is kind of what makes this thing go and you guys get people talking and having these conversations. And, you know, I like to think of it as I'm good at my job if 31 other fan bases do not like me. Right.

So for you guys, I don't know. If I was in your position, I was hope everybody would like me. But I think you're going to have to have 50, 50 people that don't like you to people that do like you. So I get it. Now it. First of all, it's a great answer. I appreciate it. Very kind here.

Also, as, and I'm going to sound like someone trying to like prove they're not a racist. A lot of my best friends are Bill's fans. Like I like the good people of Buffalo. Your sister's brother dated. Exactly, exactly right. A hundred you nailed it. And the last couple years, it's been interesting. Obviously, I'm a chief sky, but you guys have been the primary rival.

And as we have watched you over the last five years evolve and change as a player, one of the, I think, features of the way your play style has changed is you've become, I think it's fair to say, maybe more conservative, like more character. and I don't know if I, from afar, think that's actually like the best version of Josh Allen. Or do you just need to go what I call like crazy rhino mode and just be the best athlete on the field kind of more of a Brett Farr's style? How do you balance that between being able to do the wow Superman stuff with trying to be maybe more cautious than you were as a younger player? I think it's all dictated based on flow of the game.

understanding where I'm at in the season. You know, who do we have in there with us? Who's, you know, is our defense rolling? You know, who's hurt, who's not? Obviously, I want to go out there. I only make every play. And sometimes it puts me in a bad spot. I understand that.

But I think more oftentimes than not, I've made those plays and I continue to prove that. But obviously, if I can sit in the pocket and be 25 of 25 and don't have to run around, I would love to do that. So that's something, again, as I get older and, you know, I guess less athletic as you do with age. I'm not there yet. I still think you still have about till 32 to be in your prime as a male.

So I feel like, yeah, I still got some time to run around and make some plays. But at the same time, I'm just trying to find ways to help this team win football games. Josh, you mentioned the crutches, the stretcher, all that. That's usually me for the Ravens. The Ravens have been my team and they've been getting beat up. And their quarterback, though, I think is in a simple. situation is you, Lamar Jackson, all-time great, one MVP's like you have the MVP. A lot of people think you're the best player in the league and you already have a case that

you're a Hall of Famer. And so when you're that high a level of players, especially a quarterback, you know they judge you by Super Bowls. So how much pressure do you feel like just, I got to get that monkey off my back and get the Super Bowl? and does that pressure kind of ratchet up like every year that you don't get it done? Listen, every year, that's been my goal

is to go win a Super Bowl and bring a trophy back to Western New York. Obviously, everybody else is going to the league too. All 31 other teams are won in the same thing. I played this game because I love it. I never played as a young kid because I thought I'd be in the NFL and getting paid to do what I do

and do it for the trophies and the MVPs and all that stuff. Obviously, that's the ultimate goal is to win a Super Bowl. And it takes so much throughout the season to get there and to go out and win it. And I'm going to keep working tirelessly until we get that opportunity to get it done. But, you know, I've never really focused on the results more so of just going out there and playing the game that I love and how I love to play it. So, you know, if the results come with that, you know, hopefully they will. And I'll be very ecstatic when they do.

but if not, I'm going to keep working to find that out. The big bad wolf in the AFC has been Kansas City. When a lot of people, when they were out of the playoffs this year, a lot of people were like, okay, this is Josh's year, this is the Bill's year. How much of that was in not only your mind, but in the locker room, just because they've been the team that you guys haven't really gotten past all these years. Was that a thought? I don't know if it was a conversation among players

or it had to be somewhat on your guys' minds. You know, that's something that we don't talk about in the locker room, really. We don't really care so much about who else is in the playoffs with us, how to get there, how to get it done. The short answer is we didn't get it done this year. And that's on us. That's on me. Again, we're going to keep working tirelessly until we find a way to get there

and to get it done. I understand this. The people's thoughts of you don't have. have Mahomes, no Lamar, no Joe Burrow in the playoffs. But there's some dang good teams in this playoffs, right? They're not there just by chance. They're there for a reason. And the two teams that are playing in the Super Bowl this week,

they deserve to be there because they've played the best throughout the season and got hot at the right time. And yeah, that is what it is. But we're going to keep working hard. What was it like sitting in on the head coach interviews? You know what? It was a fun time. It was a unique perspective.

you know, a little awkward at times because I'm sitting there, I'm getting paid to be the quarterback, right? But I think having that perspective of what the pulse of the locker room is, being able to ask questions and help maybe, you know, Mr. Pagula and the Pagula family and some of the scouts and ultimately Brandon Bean, who they, those are guys that make the decisions. But having those questions being asked where they may have not have thought of those as a player, perspective. So, you know, it was interesting. Before you, we got on air, we were talking about how your friends with Sam Darnold and lived near Sam Donald. And Nick was saying that my hypothesis, wait until you hear this from KW. This is a fair hypothesis. It's one of the most ridiculous ideas I've ever heard. It's like if you went to the Big Ten, you root for the other Big Ten team. No, they're your

If you're in the AFC East, you kind of root for the other AFC East. It's the opposite. And if two of the wide receivers have been very complimentary of you, you're in the way. And Matt Collins and Stefan Diggs, perhaps your Josh Allen would start rooting for the Patriots. What's good for the Patriots is good for the AFC East as a whole. Okay. At the same time, your buddies with Sam Darnold. I get it. Do you have, who are you rooting for and how do you see this game playing out?

Listen, I got great respect for both teams. You know, I've been fortunate to know Coach Vrable for a little bit. I have a lot of respect for him. Drake May, obviously, I've got a good relationship with him. But Sam Donald, that's my boy. Like we go back to draft, even before the draft. We've hung out before the draft when we're in college. We met at some touchdown, I think it was the touchdown club of Columbus going into

his sophomore year, my junior year. And like I said, we live pretty close together. We spend a lot of time in the offseason together playing golf and hanging out. So I'm rooting for my man there, 14 that wears, or he wears number 14 for the Seattle Cocks. Yeah. So I told you that would be the case. Thank you, Josh. Matt Collins is a good guy.

Matt Collins is giving a tip on how to do your windshield and stuff. He likes a lot of people, but he's still. Don't worry. Miles was just trying to get everyone on the Patriots side. You mentioned the Darnold thing, and before you go, I am interested in this. Because you guys couldn't have been more different prospects. Like Darnold was considered such a safe bet. And the USC, the pedigree, all of it.

and you were considered such a raw, like high upside but project. And yet three years into your career, you guys couldn't have been in more different places where Darnold's team is, you know, getting ready to be like, all right, this ain't going to work, and your team's getting ready to make you the highest paid player in the league. And Darnold's progression has been one, you know, yours has been another. What does, what can you tell us about your thoughts on

how much circumstance and things almost out of your own control play into how quickly we see how good a quarterback can be and the quarterback kind of development and progression because it seems to be no rhyme or reason to some of it. Yeah, I mean, I think that's a loaded question. I think early success probably a situation, right, and where you fit into that offense, into that organization. I've been fortunate to be part of this organization where, you know, Mr. Pagula and the whole Pagula family has given us resources for us to win football games. I don't know if you can say that for maybe Sam, but for a lot of other quarterbacks that have been drafted high going into the right spot with the right team around him to go out there

and make plays early. But to Sam's point, he's just continued to work hard. You know, he's been at a few different stops. Obviously, got his opportunity last year in Minnesota. they let him go, and now he's playing the Super Bowl for Seattle Seahawks. So he's worked extremely hard for it. And again, I've got nothing but love and respect for Sammy D. And I'll be pulling for him hard.

Excellent. Well, thank you, Josh. Heal up, and we look forward to seeing you. Hope you have a happy and healthy offseason. And congratulations on the family, too. Thank you, guys. Appreciate it. Thanks a lot, Josh.

Congratulations. Congratulations. Is this a must win game? A must win? Every time we go out is a must win game. I mean, it's kind of the attitude that I've always taken in the National Football League. Yeah, I'd say it's. Shout out Dave Damashek for his annual, is this a must-win game in Super Bowl media.

Check out our podcast if you get a chance. And, Gianna, we are right there. We're on the doorstep of a billion. Well, yeah, but we better. We're making it, money. We slow it up. Yesterday wasn't great. Guys, we're good.

We're 1.36 million away. We have five days. It is what it is. It's, you're not, you're not. I, it is what it is. It's over. I hope so, too. I'm the biggest supporter of Gianna on the show.

You don't call, Brue doesn't call her the right name. I ask her permission. She says she likes being called Giannis. That's not true. She didn't ask. I did ask her. Can I do this?

Nick's tears. But right now, it's a special edition of Bruce Ballot. We were going to do Dark Horse MVP. We decided to just go for the real MPs. But maybe later on, Dark Horse. Well, I mixed it up a little bit. I think I'm going to surprise you guys with some of my answers. We're going to start at number five.

Demarcus Lawrence. Interesting. All right. Now, he has two sacks in the two playoff games, three force fumbles. So I'm thinking if he can get pressure on your boy, Drake, force a few fumbles, maybe get a sack or two. He could, he could. Don't hate it. He could get it.

You do hate it because they don't. I like the rationale because I have a similar rationale. Okay. You will like. this one though. Trevion Henderson. I know everybody's talking about Remandre. This is, I think, the breakaway guy.

I could see him, what was it, against the Buccaneers, I think? Two runs of 50 or more yards. He's a speedster. I could see him having a huge run that just maybe decided the game of a 50, 60 yarder. Can I add to that? Both of his three longest runs of the year have come against split safety looks this is courtesy of your buddy Bill Simmons nice and Seattle plays a disproportionate amount of split safety so make because he has really been out of

the game plan the last few weeks maybe he's back in for those there's some can I interrupt is there yeah yeah there's some thought that he's back because of these pass rushes that you have to have remandria in there because he can't block there's another thought coach this is it's the first one they're not saving Josh McDaniels that it's just secret They were sitting such... Put them on ice a little bit. Hey, Trevion, no more film for you.

It was so easy to win the AFC title game by three points that they didn't need to get there. At some point, we're just punting. You're not really stashing dudes in the player. Yeah, like you. But you like it. I told you you like it. Number three, I think Nick's gonna like this one. Rashid Shaheed.

All right, the only guy in the league coach to return both a punt and a kickoff this year for touchdowns. Two times, I think two kickoff returns. two kickoff returns, one punt, and we know about his speed. Even as a receiver, they're going to be obviously playing so much attention to JSN and then Cooper. And so he could even do some things as a receiver,

but I would not put it past him to have a great punt return or kickoff return for a touchdown that, again, decides the game. We've already seen him do damage in the playoffs to San Francisco with that. And then look, then at number two and number one, going with the quarterback's Drake May. If they pull it off, if it's a shootout,

then his numbers are going to be huge. And then, of course, Darnold number one. Right now I'm a leaning Seahawks. And Josh Allen gave me another check in the Seahawks. It's just a lot going on for the Seahawks. Josh Allen said he likes San Donald. Yeah, but he was really high on Darry.

That moved me a little bit. Well, it sounds like they're pretty close friends. Yeah. That's his boy. I don't know if that deserves a. He's a man a liar. He's Josh Allen. He's an MVP.

Let me tell you this much. Here's what I do know. If Josh Allen, after playing the Patriots twice, thought they were a juggernaut, his commentary would have been more. Listen, I love Sam, and I think he can do it and I'll be rooting for him. But man, oh man, they're running into a buzzsaw. Instead, it was none of that. He barely even mentioned a baby.

Exactly. I don't think he did. Probably tired of hearing about the Patriots, the last thing he wanted. to talk about is the Patriots. Coach is trying to get me. Brew, can I tell you? So how much I love the fact that you have Rashid Shaheed on here. And it's because it gives me an opportunity to play a clip.

I have been trying to play for two months. Oh, for two months. For two months. Trade deadline day. Hit the clip. I think the best trade that was made today was Rashid Shaheed. I think that's the most impactful. I think it's the team with the highest chance of going on a real playoff run.

You gave up the least amount of real equity. I think he is not asked to be a one-man solution to a problem. So while everyone was talking Quinn and Williams and Sals Gardner, this show with an ill-fitting vest that day was saying for C.G. And he's been, he was great in the comeback against the Rams the first time around. He was great. He got the playoffs going for them. ended that game. Right. He's doing the game-winning touchdown on the opening kick return,

and, you know, got this game flipped around in week 16. So I, I'm surprised. I don't know if coach probably likes that JSN isn't on there because he thinks JSN is just Patriots are going to be the one team all year. It's hard for the wide receiver. Well, yeah, because that means a quarterback. But Cooper Cup won it. It's possible. Yeah, DeM Branch won it. Yeah. Yeah, he was outstanding. He had 11 reception. He had 11 receptions of something that game. Yeah. I mean, I guess you could have 11. I like the ballot. I like the fact that you put to Marcus Lawrence on it.

I like adding a defensive player, which is his first time in 11 years to have a chance to go to. To make it pass around too. The NFC championship game and the Super Bowl. All they had to do was leave the Cowboys. And they've talked a lot in the locker room about his impact on the group, especially later in the season's energy. And yeah, I think that's a good dark horse. If you like Rashid Shaheed, can I also interest you in Marcus Jones, who has the ability to play defense and also had a pick six already in the playoffs.

He'll also be returning puns. And all pro return me. I agree with that. Not a bad blitzer? Yeah. Oh, yeah. You get a sack, pick six. I view Trayvion as my as the answer to Shishie.

I viewed it because a big play guy. I viewed him as. First thing's first overtime next. Live from New York, it's first things first. overtime today reacting to Josh Allen and what is going on in the Bill's locker room and what he thinks about some other superstar quarterbacks meanwhile where do you want to see James Hardenland cleveland wow Parkins I like it loves it I yeah I can't wait to talk about this great trade I hope

it goes through for the clip we're shot we just basically went on a roast yeah yeah yeah so it if we want to relitigate James Harding And they should give him the three years. We're about to do it. We can't do it at the special edition of Top 10 Tuesday. It's not the best players in the Super Bowl, but it's players who will decide the Super Bowl. That's correct.

Top 10 guys most likely to decide. Got it, alongside Chris Prud. I'm Kevin Wilde's Nick Wright. And this is Danny Parkins. So do you think some guys will have dud games that they're actually good players but won't show up? Will the stage be too big? I don't like that.

Or just maybe this game, you know, the game flow doesn't call for them to be that involved in the game. Who knows? Stay tuned. Right there on the verge of Stutter Dudd. They did something like that in O.T. yesterday. We have to. They were just did who's more likely to be a DUD.

You were in Dusted. You were in Dusted have been in each other's crosshairs all day. In order to make it up for him, tomorrow, we have to do Stutter Dudd. We're not doing that. Let's do today's show today. Wow. DUDD.

It's good leadership. Josh Allen joined the show about a half an hour ago. he talked about his path to the Super Bowl who it involved and who it didn't involve. Take a listen. We don't really care so much about who else is in the playoffs with us, how to get there, how to get it done. The short answer is we didn't get it done this year. And that's on us.

That's on me. Again, we're going to keep working tirelessly until we find a way to get there and to get it done. I understand this. The people's thoughts of you don't have Mahomes, no Lamar, no Joe Burrow in the, playoffs, but there's some dang good teams in this playoffs, right? They're not there just by chance. They're there for a reason. And the two teams that are playing in the Super Bowl this week, they deserve to be there because they've played the best throughout the season. Okay, Parkins, your reaction. He was a great guest, and thanks again to Josh for joining us.

Yeah, I thought the whole conversation was kind of illuminating into why Josh Allen is a superstar and one of the best athletes in the world. That answer is super level-headed and correct. It's not a golf tournament. Like a golf tournament, you have to beat every golfer. This is, he had to beat the Jaguars. And then you have to beat the next team. It's not one-on-one basketball. It's not him v. Mahomes.

You just have to beat the team in front of you. It's great for us to talk about there's no Lamar, there's no Burrow, there's no Mahomes. So this is the Bill's year. But they can't think like that. And it seems genuine that he didn't. So whether we can say this was their best chance or not, I believed him that he didn't feel that way. But also when, you know, Nick was like, do you think I'm being fair to him or not?

And you guys showed the cartoon. And nice suit, by the way. Thank you. Amazing. That was an incredible coincidence. He just more players should have his understanding of, we generate all of this interest. People tune in for the games, but everything else is part of the conversation that drives fans to watch the games. Like, that is such a healthy relationship with.

It's not mean-spirited. I like your guys' bits. Like, he knows that he's a central main character in this whole sports talk, sports take, industrial complex of which we live. And he genuinely seemed comfortable with it. His acknowledgement of the mortality of his athleticism. I just thought he came across great in that conversation. Yeah, I agree.

I thought he was very mature. And, you know, you see it in the sound bites in general. This is our first time interviewing him on the show. But, yeah, he came off like a great guy. I would say this. And I do think he was genuine about saying, look, we got to beat these other teams. We can't worry about no Lamar, Mahones, whatever. But you're also human.

And not just him, but everybody in that locker room. And it is just human nature to have felt like whether they, and I agree, I doubt, I'm sure they didn't have a team meeting. Hey, the chiefs are out this year. This is our, no. But did some one-on-one conversations with some guys you're, really close with like, yo, the chiefs are out, man.

We got to get it done this year. This is our year. I would think that some of those conversations took place. You had to feel that way because this has been the team that's in your way. And Nick, we talked about it. Maybe that's why they were so much more emotional after this year's loss than in the previous years. I mean, that's what I, even if none of those conversations took place, my, even after talking

to Josh, my gut feeling. is one of the reasons the loss hit them so hard was because that was bouncing around somewhere in their head. And it was not disrespect to the Patriots. Not like, oh, and we'll clearly beat them, but it was just the team we haven't been able to beat. We beat them in the regular season, and now they're not here, and we don't have to deal with it.

But I don't know. What I do know is Danny's point was kind of my takeaway as well, which is I think it is, incredibly difficult to be in today's sports media climate, to be a one main character who's never won. And to not have that negatively affect your ability to win in the future. I've said for years that one of the reasons I think Kobe was never afraid to take the last shot was he got his first championship when he was a kid.

and no one was ever going to be able to hang around his neck, you can't win. And one of the reasons I felt Peyton Manning didn't, you know, wasn't better in the playoffs was because his first two playoff games, he was bad and he got marked with that to a degree. And Brady was clutch because he was clutch, but also because he was so clutch that one drive in 01, that then he didn't have to deal with the, you know, the weight getting heavier. I don't want to get on a tangent, but did you feel that that affected LeBron in his first,

when he was against Dallas? 100%. Like, yeah, that it was that if, that I think there is close to a 0% chance. LeBron has that series against the Mavs if somehow they had won in 07. You know what I mean? If he had, they weren't going to. But you know what I mean? Like that it was that the weight.

So the reason I give that long explanation is I think Josh. it is so valuable that he has that disposition that he seems to have, that he has a lot of reason to think I'm a jerk. I think I've been fair, but I also, I dropped a banner that said the greatest to never do it. It was tongue in cheek. It was whatever. There's reasons for him to either not come on this show or to be surly when he's on here. The fact that he had that disposition to me is a good armor against getting in your own head

next year or the year after and I think that's legitimately tangibly valuable for him in the bills. It shows a level of security. He's a very secure person, which is great. Or he just doesn't watch the show. I mean, he was quoting Brewing and the...

That's true. Unless his people are like... They do these bits. They do, you know, they come out and stretchers. Yeah, he knows. Maybe. You didn't mention weird a wonderful one.

Now we get to the root of it. I just he hadn't mentioned. He didn't mention the door a step of message. He got the door. I told me he was an O.T. Factor. I think he could be the MVP. What exactly is O.T? I'm the Josh Allen guy on the show.

Speaking of guys with having won yet. And won't. And I hate to say it. He won't. Clippers have been winning 15 and 5 in the last 20. in the last 20. But Hardin is looking for a change of scenery. According to Mark Stein, and he's looking for a contract extension as well.

He signed a two-year $82 million contract this off season. That might not be enough or enough security at least. Caves are supposedly interested. And you love this. Love it. I think what Kobe Altman and the Cavs have done in the last 48 to 72 hours, assuming this goes through has made them the favorites in the Eastern Conference this year. Wow.

I love it. Why? Well, there's a few things. And, like, you know, I have a debate background. You and I know we argue sports all the time. I just want on the front end not turn this in to re-legislating the last 12 years of James Hardin's playoff failures. Like, I will concede all of the points. So what's going to be different this year now?

It's partly that. And I think also. Partly what? Well, no, I think it might be different this year. I mean, if you think they're going to win the East, it's going to be different. So what's going to make? Why is he going to be different in these playoffs than all the other ones? I would have traded Darius Garland for Keon Ellis, one of the two players they got in the Kings deal for Hunter.

Defensive. Okay. The Cavs, we all watched the Cavs Pacers series last year. Every time Darius Garland was on the floor, every single time, the Pacers. To be fair, he had a bad toe. They are actioning him into, like, where is he on the court? And they are targeting him. Right.

He is a six. Hardin's going to lock people up. No, no, no, but Keon Ellis will. Keon Ellis is a great defense. Ellis is a great defense. He is a great defensive player. And Truder is a bench scorer. And Hardin is having an awesome year.

This he's averaging 25 a game. And I think that the calves are in a spot with Donovan Mitchell being about to decline his player option. And they got one year left on Donovan Mitchell. They are a little desperate. They know they can't win. with Donovan Mitchell and Darius Garland as their back court, because it's putting too much, they're too small. It's putting too much pressure on Allen and Mowgli in their front court.

So they changed up their back court, a bench score in Schrooter, a great defensive wing or guard in Ellis, and then they will roll the dice on a secondary score who is 6'5, compared to Garland, who is 6'1, in Hardin, and saying, let's go try to win this with this very different makeup of a team that we had last year. And I can show you Garland. I mean, just in terms of how the on-off rating for him, he's.

Yeah, and they've been talking about trading for a few years. Defensive rating. He's what he is. And I do think across the league, the small, the real small guards, the Trey Youngs, the Jomorant, they are huge liabilities in these playoff series where guys target them. And Garland fits into that category, and he's not healthy. Not available. I'm starting to believe.

Well, no. Hold on. And then the last piece of it, it's a role for this year. And then this is, again, part of it is the Donovan Mitchell piece. Mowgli, Mitchell, Hardin, LeBron next year. That team is the favorite in the East. But here, okay, and I say it earlier, for this year, I'm with you in that, look, Donovan's my number one score. maybe Mowgli is a second option.

And then I got Hardin as the playmaker. I'm willing to give that a shot for this year. But to do this deal, Hardin is like sitting out now with a team in his hometown, with a team full of veterans that is playing phenomenal basketball over the last two months because he wants an extension. So are you ready right now? If you were Kobe Altman, the GM for the Cavs, to say, okay, we're going to, as part of this deal,

we're giving you three years, $125 million. Because that's what, what's going to make Hardin happy? He wants to leave the clippers because they won't give him a deal. What's going to make him happy in Cleveland if they're not committing to that? Any long-term marriage with James Hardin is obviously a risk, and it obviously will end poorly. But if you're a year away from losing Donovan Mitchell and being one of the worst teams in the NBA,

I'm not terribly concerned about three years from now. Can I? So you would agree to do that contract extension? Garland's value is low. I think getting hardened for Garland right now to make this run this year is a worthwhile gamble to try to keep Donovan Mitchell long term. So just, and I'll be quicker because I know we need to get it to top 10. Top 10 Tuesday.

I think all of your Darius, I think you're a little too down on Darius Garland, but directionally I agree with you. I think all your critiques are fair. You have, but he does, we all agree he has some value. in this league. And what I'm saying is, if the goal is, but if you're like, we have to trade him, because we have Donovan Mitchell, it doesn't fit here, fine. And I am, I would be very simple on this.

If my goal is to win a championship, I would rather trade Darius Garland for anyone than a guy who I know beyond a shadow of a doubt will play his worst basketball and sink our chances the moment it matters. And by the way, at some point, we'll quit. If basketball character and if rising to the occasion matters at all, then this is your dead last pick. And he's old and he's going to be on his sixth team. So you can be right that the Cavs, as presently constituted,

can't make the finals. And I'm telling you, any other move is, better than the one that lands you, a guy who quits and plays, has 35 career playoff games with three or fewer made baskets. 35, a season's 80 games. Wow. 35 playoff games with three or fewer made baskets and 44 playoff games with as many turnovers as made baskets.

Pick a team in the east. Who's your favorite of the east? Detroit. Right now, maybe the Knicks. The Knicks? All right, you got the Knicks, I got the Cavs, field loses $1,000. If they trade for James Harden, I'll just give you the calves on a free roll. Fine.

Just have it. Even better. Seafood Tower, maybe. Even better. Yeah, try to be related. Relatable. Let's talk a half. I'm trying to get you in.

Cfood towers, dinners. I got to go big with it. Time now for top 10 Tuesday. This week's edition, it's not the top 10 players, but the top 10 players who will decide the Super Bowl. Top 10 Tuesday time. Thank you very much, Wilds. This one, we don't talk about it enough.

But coming in at number 10, it's very simple. The kickers. It's already going to be more than 10. Might end up being 11. I actually love this. Here's the thing. Two of the last three Super Bowls, kicking the final two minutes to tie or take the lead.

Super Bowl, absolutely. Are you going to be Scott Norwood? Are you going to be Adam Vanityary? Let's do the tail of the tape here on Myers and, Borogales in the regular season, 20th and 21st and made percentage in the playoffs. Andy Borogallus. Another check mark for the Seahawks. It is not looking good.

It was a, I think it was a 58 yard kick in the snow. Well, he's missed two. I think the other one was a super long like end of the half in the snow. If you want to put that. Yeah. Administrator. He never made any kicks in the snow. He said someone's going to be in the building.

That's what it all. It's all about. I think it's interesting. Put it out there. Coming into number nine, top 10 players who could decide the Super Bowl, next guy, to look.

Rashid, too low. Too low. Listen, last two teams that have had a return touchdown in the Super Bowl, team won the Super Bowl. My bears in two times. I was going to say. With Devin Hester,

did not quite get it done. Coming in at number eight, you might not impact the Super Bowl for good reasons. Will Campbell, left tackle, Patriots, top five pick. The numbers, when you add them all up across the board and we can shubs you there and not good. Wow.

This is again going to say this is unbelievable. Another check mark. Most sacks. Second, the worst pressure percentage. How many sacks did he give up in the, in, uh, to Nick Benito? We can back check the list at the end of the list. Anybody know?

Uh, coming home. Troy, get on that. Uh, who's most likely to take advantage of Will Campbell? Plenty of guys who can't have the choice. But to Marcus Lawrence, uh, basically the exact inverse of the Will Campbell graphic. When you think about, uh, the C. The Hawks defense. He's team ranks.

He is their best pass rusher. Tackles for lost, quarterback hits. Force fumbles as well. He led the team in that this season. Patriots aren't anybody that's known to fumble. Exactly. So I put to Marcus Lawrence coming in at number seven. A brew was surprised to see Trevi on Henderson.

I'm going with Ramondre Stevenson as the sixth most likely player who could impact it. In the regular season, Henderson outrushed in terms of carries, Stevenson. But in the playoffs, it's been Stevenson, and he's coming off of 25 rushing attempts in the AFC title. attempts in the AFC title game, which is a career high for him. Coming in at number five, the running back on the other side, Kenneth Walker, really taking advantage of the opportunity of the Charbonnet injury, 20 or more touches. Once in the first 16 games, he's had three straight games over 20 touches. Seahawks obviously like to work off play action.

Kenneth Walker has to get it going on the ground. Coming in at number four, it's a debate on whether or not he's the best defensive player on the Patriots, but he's an excellent player, Christian Gonzalez. Are they going to put him on Cooper Cup and double Jackson's? Smith and Jigba? Are they going to try to get him to match up one-on-one with Injigua will it be a side of the field thing? Simply put, Christian Gonzalez is one of the best cornerbacks in football in these playoffs. 11 catches on 28 targets, no touchdowns, and an opponent pass a rating of 39. He is one of the best players in football that we just don't talk about.

But if he does get matched up with Jackson Smith and Jigba, you know, good offense tends to beat good defense. And JSN comes in at number three. He could be the third player all time if he gets just 35 receiving yards in the Super Bowl. to have over 2,000 receiving yards for a single season, regular season and plays. But it's been recent. It's Pooka Nakua this year and Cooper Cup in the year that he had the triple crown. He needs 35 yards? Yeah, he's at 1965 playoff and regular season combined.

Coming to number two, it's time to talk quarterbacks. We know that he could be the youngest quarterback ever to win the Super Bowl. Obviously, the quarterbacks are the two favorites for Super Bowl MVP, so we could just roll right into it. Sam Darnold coming off the monster NFC championship. game. If we're talking about top 10 lists, most likely to impact the Super Bowl, obviously the two spots need to go to the quarterbacks. Yeah.

Top 10? It's not bad. I would- Surprised your guy, Devin Witherspoon wasn't on there. Not enough good receivers for the, for the Patriots, for me to like, oh, it's got to be a shut-down thing. Milton Williams almost made it though. No one to make it. Danny, he came in number 11. Another checkmark in the Seahawks.

It's like 8-0 today. I, you know what, at this point? I don't want your support. You wanted him to weigh it all week. I'm taking it all in tomorrow. Come strong tomorrow. He is biased towards the Seahawks. I'm not going to play the game anymore.

He wants me just begging for his support. They just been bringing facts. But anyway, where is for the Patriots? Where's my man, Tray Beyond Henderson? I can see him breaking a long run or not to, but a long run that kind of seals the deal, maybe decides the game. Remindre, you're right, has been more valuable in the playoffs, But Wals tells me to keep any more ice.

Listen, I mean, in the in the playoffs, Stevenson has 194 rushing yards to 57. Yeah, for. Yeah, he hadn't done much in the play. I think this is just a straight usage thing right now. I know early in the year it was blocking. They didn't trust Henderson with pass blocks. And so if it's that, but just I think they're going to ride the hot.

He doesn't, like he does. It's not like, you know, three, three yards and a cloud of dust. It's either going to be 50 yards. or minus one. It could be three touches and one of them. But his just snap count the last two weeks is plummeted. It makes sense. No, but I think against the Broncos, you got to have.

Watch, if you watch even like the flea flicker, Ramandre comes in and picks up somebody loose. I also think they don't like it. When he's on the field, they're not throwing. And so they don't want to have an indicate. You know what I mean? They don't want it to be obvious. So I think maybe that's one of the things that's worked against him.

Yeah, it's 51 carries in the playoffs for Stevenson against 24 for Henderson. All right. If this is players most likely to impact the game, for positive or negative, number eight, will T. Rex Campbell's got to be higher. Because if he plays an excellent game, the Patriots should win. If he plays the way he's played this postseason, which KW can mention Nick Bonney, didn't wreck the game. The numbers Danny showed are the numbers. I don't be weird, but those were the the Broncos game he played great though. But KW,

I don't it is I don't here's what I don't think is is not my the way I'm analyzing it. Sure. It can't be that the game was a blizzard. Everything's weird. Throw the stats out except for the things that are beneficial that are evidence that Pat's played well. And so I think that fact that the Broncos, also because it was a blizzard, we're not throwing the ball much, we're not doing a lot of deep pass drops, we're not trying to, you know, put Jared Stidham out there. I don't know that it's evidence that all of a sudden he turned a corner in that game. He didn't lose them in the game, and this is my point, if he holds up in the Super Bowl, I think the Patriots become the favorites. If he gets wrecked the way I felt he has been wrecked

since he came back from the injury, and I'm not sure, I haven't, you know, dove into it, maybe he see if he'll lose you. I'm not certain, I know he didn't allow a sack. I'm not certain if, like, the PFF scores, whatever, say he played great in the AFC title game or not. I know he didn't allow a sack.

If he plays the way he's played since the injury, I think that could wreck the game for the Patriots. I think that's fair. I think during the first two games he was exposed, and then, like, this guy needs to play well against Nick Benito, and I think he had one pressure. Did he play, but my question, Was that where they, and again, I don't know.

It's my job to know, so I apologize. Were they giving him help repeatedly because against Seattle, that can be problematic. Because they've got four defensive linemen that can generate pressure. Like that could be, if you have to help your top five pick franchise left tackle throughout the game, I think that has a knock on effect the rest of it. And if he can hold up, then the Patriot should be able to deal. I just think he's, you know, one of the most important players. A bigger factor, too low on the list.

That's fair. Uh, Mill Williams. I think he deserves a spot on the list. He can wreck the game too on the other side. I agree. You know what game he wrecked? What's that? The last Super Bowl.

Thanks for hanging out with us on the OT. We got Coach Mangini and Willie Colon. Media day was yesterday in San Francisco and Drake May was at the podium. Podium. It's a moral podium. And he was asked about Sam Darnold, his journey to the Super Bowl and the teams that moved on from him. Take a listen. What a career he's had just to battle the, um,

the life of the NFL and knowing that, you know, his first opportunity, obviously he got put in a scenario where, you know, they've decided to move on. And from there, he's made him pay ever since people think that, you know, what makes the league so special. It's stories like Sam that just put his head down, works hard, it's turned to one of the best quarterbacks in the league. It's kind of amazing that if Drake May wins the Super Bowl, he will be the youngest quarterback ever to win the Super Bowl. but that is actually the secondary, at least in my opinion, quarterback story in the game because if Sam Darnold does it with his fifth team in eight years, it's like one of the great reclamation projects. Both quarterback narratives here are great.

Willie, who do you think is more likely to have a statement game, Darnold or May? Well, I feel like Drake May has more range out of the two quarterbacks. I think his ability to extend the extinct plays with his legs. We sold in the AFC championship game where he's able to skip out of pocket and keep the offense and the rhythm. I do think in reference to playing really well in the Super Bowl, man, I think it comes down to his ability to show up in the red zone, which they haven't done in the postseason. I have a graphic right here to show you.

The pads have struggled in the red zone. They've been god-awful, actually. And this is this year's playoff. So I think if there needs to be a statement to be made, is how he produces in the red zone. He's able to do that and show up, because I know what he can do athletically. We know he can win in a shootout.

Both quarterbacks show up in a shootout. But how he execute and it's going to be crucial. So for me, it comes down to Drake May. I see this being more Sam Darnold. And I think Sam Donald is going to see more defensively in terms of a variety, whether it's the volume of pressures, whether it's the matchups, whether it's the post-knap disguise. And New England's going to do a good job of forcing to make those post-knap decisions.

And because they're doing different things, that's going to create some real opportunities for Sam, both good and bad. And I think there'll be some holes that he can exploit if he can see it. But there's also a really good chance, too, that he could be fooled. That could either lead to strip sacks or interceptions. I'm really curious to see how much motion and gadget formation Seattle does to really pressure New England's communication. Do you agree with this that, like, I can see paths to Seattle winning

without Sam Darnold having a statement game? He was fine against San Francisco. but they were just like an overwhelming team. They blew him out. He didn't really need to do all of that much. He jumped on them early, so she would do like, but I don't know that I see a path to New England winning the game without Drake May having a statement game,

which is kind of, it's the whole argument for him to be MVP, is that he's done more with less and he's really elevated that team this year. Like I don't know that I see a way for New England winning without May being great. But their whole path through the playoffs have been without Drake May being great. And if anything, There's been a lot of games where they've had to overcome Drake May not being very good at all. And the thing that they benefited from is the pressure that New England's defense has put on every other quarterback is that those quarterbacks were worse. And right down the line, it's quarterback after quarterback where New England has done so much to them that Drake May's mistakes have been kind of minimized.

Stroud had an impossibly bad game and then the weather and a backup quarterback at Jarrett. I guess I'd be surprised if Darnel laid an egg in a spot. like Stroud or Stidham did. Yeah, I hope that's not the case. And the fact that he played as well as he did in the end of C championship game is a great sort of hump that he got over. But in those big moments, that's always been the question. And this is the biggest of the moments that he's faced. Yeah, I mean, Drake May has an opportunity to play point guard and assassin in one night.

I think that's going to help write his legacy. I think what we saw in the AFC championship was even though he played midman, I thought the last, you know, him pulling the ball from the runner. back and putting the nail in the coffin was huge. I think for him right now, if he just play a clean game, a lot of the run game to operate between the 20s and executing the red zone, man, I just see him having a big statement game in that fashion. If Drake May wins this Super Bowl, he becomes the youngest quarterback ever to win the Super Bowl, and he joins this list, quarterbacks at age 24 are younger to win. Ben Rothersberger, Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes.

Pretty good company for Drake May. More Hall of Fame news out of New England. A week after it was reported that Bill Belichick wasn't going to make it into Canton on the first. ballot. We found out this morning. The same apparently applies to Robert Kraft. Tom Brady was actually kind of funny about that little self-deprecating in his conversation with Colin Cowardess earlier today, which everyone should go back and listen. It was spectacular. Robert Kraft was a finalist via the contributors committee, but he did not receive the 40 votes required to get in. You, of course, purchased the Patriots in 1994. He was the owner during all six Super Bowl victories. Coach, you were in New England. You know Robert Kraft. What do you make of this most

recent report and Hall of Fame snub. Yeah, when you look at him as an owner, it's unique in this sense. So he had Bill Parcells and they go to the Super Bowl and they didn't win that. And then he met Bill Belichick while Bill Parcells was there. So then Bill, who had one winning season in Cleveland, one out of five in Cleveland, he then trades a number one draft pick for Bill Belichick because he has that conviction that Bill can be the coach that he ends up being. So then that the dynasty happens and now a year later he wants to have continuity with Gerard Mayo

potentially carry on what had been built there that goes south he has the strength to blow it up and go get Mike Vrable and now he's back in the Super Bowl again so to be in the Super Bowl with three different three different coaches

three different styles of coaches and to me the biggest thing is trading in number one draft pick for a coach that was panned and having nobody would have done that but he believed in it

and to me that decision alone merits but apparently that coach isn't even a Hall of Hammer yeah well no I feel like for me he to coach's point he checks all the boxes talked about the six Super Bowl rings he kept the team from relocating and also he grew the brand and I think

to coach's point his recent masterpiece is really going to get Mike Vrable because once he got Mike Vrable he said hey man I just turn this thing around And when Braves got in the building, he cleaned out Jarrell Males old position coaches and staff said, hey, get out of here. Then he hired Doug Marone and Thomas Brown, your guy who's an intern with the bear, excuse me, with the Bears. And then on top of that, they did a great job of really recruiting some guys who fit the Patriot way. Stefan Diggs, Milton Williams, they got chasing.

They got Cranberry from the Vikings. So they elevated this team from the inside out. And now all those guys who are so-called journeymen are now considered patriots, right? under Robert Kraft in his direction, along with Mike Rable. So I don't know what else he needs to do. I mean, if he wins this one, it's like, what are we talking about right now? And I'm already here with that conversation. Yeah, so listen, I don't know that this current Patriots thing is impacting his Hall of Fame legacy.

Like, I would be surprised if that came up in the room when they were pitching it. And it's working out with Stefan Diggs and Mike Raebel. I'd be surprised. It's an interesting case study in ego because I feel, because there's been a lot of reporting that Robert Kraft was kind of campaigning to get in, that he really wants to get in to the Hall of Fame. And he has seen his path towards getting in almost at the expense of Belichick. Like they're both trying to win this breakup. And you know both of these guys.

If they were, and all things, you know, would not end poorly or else they wouldn't end, I get it. But like, if they would have been able to deal with the breakup between the two of them, I feel like they would be going into Canton together, whereas clearly they have split the vote a little bit in the room, and because you need 80% of the vote to get in, now neither of them are in on the first ballot. I mean, it's hard to argue that Robert hasn't won the breakup. I mean, he's back in the Super Bowl.

But I guess my point is for the Hall of Fame. He wanted to keep Tom Brady when Bill let him go. Tom goes to Tampa Bay and wins the Super Bowl. It's a pretty, like if you're looking at, you know, who's doing a little bit better here? I agree that he has won the break, but if you didn't need to keep score in the breakup, like I feel like there is 50 people who vote on this,

and clearly some people are saying, I will either vote for Belichick or I will vote for Kraft, and now neither of them are in, where their legacies are so clearly tied together that if they were simpatico, most people would just have both of them on their ballot. See, I don't see their legacies as tied together. They're tied together to some degree,

Because of the Super Bowl. But Robert, Mr. Kraft had a Super Bowl appearance prior to Bill Belichick. He's got a Super Bowl appearance past Bill Belichick. And there's a lot of owners that get in the way so often that they can't even get their teams into the playoffs. So you think Robert Kraft is a more deserving member of the Hall of Fame than Belichick? I think they're both as deserving as they can for their spots as a head coach and as an owner. And to me, who's losing is the Hall of Fame. Like this system is what's losing.

The fact that these two guys that are so obviously deserving of the honor and neither one of them going to get in? They're losing, but they're keeping the headlines going because everybody's going to be on Belichick and Kraft Watch until they get in. Yeah, and they'll get in eventually, but time is finite and neither one of them are in on this go round. That's Patriots disrespect of the past. Is this current team being disrespected ahead of the Super Bowl we discussed on the O-Tee? Mike Rable experienced Media Day as a player, but last night was his first as a coach. He was asked about his team's role, someone has to be, as the underdog, pretty significant underdog in the Super Bowl. Here's Coach Rable. Take a listen.

Well, somebody has to. I don't think we dislike it. Again, it's not anything that's ever affected us. I don't think. I don't think we set out to necessarily worry about those types of things. I'm excited to be here with this football team. So, guys, the question is, do the Patriots deserve? to be four and a half point underdogs. And as the resident gambler on the show, I'll say deserves got nothing to do with it.

It's a market. It opened it three and a half and it immediately got bet up to four and a half and that's where it's staying. And so like the sharp money has spoken. So that's where, you know, it's going to sit now going into the game. But I do think what is interesting about this line, even if you don't gamble, is both these,

this isn't like a wild card team, like or like a seven win, seven loss, eight loss, team eight, eight-loss teammate. These teams both have incredible resumes. I guess technically the Patriots, you know, they won the division, but we're not to get the buy. If you look at teams that each had three losses or fewer, when they meet in the Super Bowl, normally the line is smaller than this. The last five times it's happened, the spreads one and a half, one, two and a half.

The only other time it was an identical four and a half point spread to this one, it was Tom Brady going up against the backup quarterback in the Brady-Nick-Fulls Super Bowl. in 2017. So for both teams to be at full strength with their starters and have three or fewer losses, this is a pretty significant line in the Seahawks favor. And I think the line is correct, Willie. Do you think it's too big? Yeah, I think Vegas got it right. I think when you break down both teams, I think Seattle to me has the edge defensively solely because they be able to, their ability to shut down their opponent's run game with a lighter box. I think Sam Darno is obviously a legit quarterback. And I also think right now there's more questions about the Patriots,

does of Drake Mace performance in the playoffs and, you know, his turnovers and the fact that, you know, they have a leaky protection nevertheless. I do think with all that combined, man, I think Vegas got it right. I had a stat that I found. It says it variable's 22 and 14 games decided by three points of fewer. Like, so he shows up in game management situations. So that's the edge for the past. But I, to me, I think it's legit. Coach?

Yeah, I don't. Look, I've been part of a team. There was a 14 and a half point underdog, and that didn't matter. And you kind of like, I would rather be the underdog than the favorite. And when you're talking to the team and when the team's looking at this and when they're talking to their families, there is that level of, hey, they don't believe in us. And people like to be able to push that narrative forward. And to some degree, all season long, it's been the case.

And I'm guilty of it because of their schedule and how easy their schedule was. And then they keep figuring out ways to win. and this team has continued to get better. So, yeah, four and a half, five and a half, six, whatever you want to put on it, to me, it doesn't matter. Can't the Seahawks could figure out a way to say that no one believes in them either. No one picked us before the year to be here.

Our quarterback was given up on by his old team. Right? Any coach can find a way to convince their team that they've been disrespected. Yeah, but you're the favorite. So they believe in you now. They believe in you now. And then, you know, everything is, is pushing Seattle's way in terms of the narrative.

Darnold's over the hump. Their defense is so good. New Orleans has, you know, Drake May hasn't played well. So, yeah, keep believing it. I feel like you're picking the Patriots this week. We'll get your official prediction later on. Picking up what you're putting down, though. Josh Allen was kind enough to join First Things First.

Earlier today, you should check it out. Push us over a billion views on YouTube with that. He gave some interesting insight on his time sitting. in on the Bill's head coaching interviews. Take a listen to Josh. It was a fun time. His unique perspective, you know, a little awkward at times because I'm sitting there. I'm getting paid to be the quarterback, right? But I think having that perspective of what the pulse of the lock room is, being able to ask questions and help maybe, you know, Mr. Pagula and the Pagula family and some of the scouts and ultimately Brandon Bean, who, um,

Those are guys that make the decisions, but having those questions being asked where they may have not have thought of those as a player perspective. So, you know, it was interesting. You guys both had really strong opinions on Josh sitting in on the interview. That's his explanation. He admitted that it was awkward at times. Coach, what did you think of it? Yeah, I imagine it would be awkward at times. I do think it puts them in a challenging situation.

And at the end of the day, who'd they pick? His guy. Pick the in-house candidates. So were the other interviews serious interviews, or was this the way it was always going to go right along where Brandon Bean had decided that they wanted to move on from the head coach and, you know, put the in-house guy in his spot. It doesn't seem like it made that much of a difference in the process when you end up with a guy that's been in the building. Yeah, I would coach. I didn't think he, not that he didn't deserve to be in the room, but I just think you put him in a, in a weird situation.

I also think, you know, him kind of being a representative of the locker room, there's two sides of the ball. You know, if it's okay, you'd be in the face of the offense, but there's guys on defense that probably have to say that want to change things. If you're Matt Milano, if you're Ed Oliver, you're talking about being deficient on the defensive line. There's some things you probably want to change defensively that you feel like that needs to be addressed.

You don't have a say at the table, right? So there's only one person talking on behalf of his side of the ball. So that's where the friction comes. Overall, man, you know, he wanted a spot at the table. This is what it is. You got your guy. Now you have to be that produced. You got in, you know, Joe Brady's in a different situation because now, you know,

you got to erase some of the deficiencies in office. You got to make it happen. Couldn't I read that the other way, though? You said, like, how much of a difference did it make because they hired the in-house guy? Isn't the flip side of that? They kept Josh Allen's play caller, and Josh Allen was involved. Hey, hey, why? I listen to these other interviews.

They're not saying all these things. How did they lose their last game? Well, no, Josh Allen was not good in the last game. Okay. Well, isn't that why they fired the head coach? I am going to just take whatever their owner said and put that under the, it was not logical. That if they had won the game, they wouldn't have made the decision that they made. I'm with you. So now they didn't play well offensively, but yet the head coach got fired, even though it was a catch that wasn't a catch.

And if they had made the catch or whatever the logic was. And then they end up on saying, okay, well, we're going to keep the offensive coordinator as the head coach. even though we didn't play well offensively. Listen, I am not going to try to put logic into that ownership press conference. I'm 100% with you. All I'm saying is once they decide. How about the next step? Are you putting logic into that?

I'm saying that keeping Joe Brady, to me, suggests that Josh Allen did have input in the hiring process. Well, of course he did. That's why he was there. I think he just puts a target on Joe Brady's bet because he now is in charge of the whole operation. So that's going to take away from what he did do well. was called this office. So now if he's not able to do his job, even though he got the nod from Josh Allen,

now Josh Allen seems like, well, he's your guy, you got to bump up, why are we still in the same place, if they're not able to kind of get on track and potentially make the Super Bowl? So I just think, I think they hurt themselves by not getting a guy

who's ran an operation and going in-house. And I'm just wondering, did they bring him into to rubber stamp the decision that was already made, or did they bring him in to give real, insight on these other potential candidates that could have pushed the franchise forward. And you bring in the quarterback who has a relationship with the now head coach.

They married now. And you're giving him influence. Kind of seems like you're stacking the deck towards one. Yeah, I'm guessing the external candidates did not have a great shot at getting that job. Yeah. And to Willie's point, there are two sides of the ball. 100%. But they don't make $300 million on the other side.

So what did it, what did you say it? I guess they don't matter. I'm saying they don't matter as much. They don't matter as much. You and your team are you planning to win this Sunday? Are we playing to win? What else will be planning to do? Yes.

That's the goal of us coming out here. We're coming out here to win the game. And that's the number one priority. And looking forward to getting a chance, have a great week of practice. And give them a chance to play in the Super Bowl. How about that? You know how they say there's no such thing as a stupid question?

I'm saying something to consider. It's something to consider. Because at least when Dave Damasek is like, hey, is a must-win game, he is his talk, it's tongue firmly planted in cheek there. I'm not so sure that that one was. He's planning to win. I think those are equally. Those questions have probably have equal weight, right?

Is this a must-win versus are you planning to win? I'm saying the person who asks the must-win question knows that he's in on the bit. It's a, it's a joke. I'm just glad he didn't say anything to kind of get himself in trouble. He was just like, yes, we play to win and go home and hopefully it's with a suit a little party. I'm pretty sure you're shocked when that question comes up to the podium. You saw his face.

He's like, are you for real right now? I'm fine. Sure, he heard the question correctly. Rest, it's an old trick. Like, how's your day? How was my day? Are you planning to win? Yeah, reiterated.

Yeah, I am planning to win. That's an interesting question. Thanks for us. We'll be back tomorrow on the OT. Planning to do a good show.