First Things First - Texans beat Chiefs, Steelers beat Ravens, Packers beat Bears, Shedeur Sanders starts rest of season

Episode Date: December 9, 2025

(0:00) Texans beat Chiefs, Steelers beat Ravens, Are their seasons over?  (26:42) Bills beat Bengals, Is Shedeur Sanders a franchise QB? (43:39) Packers beat Bears, Is Green Bay a top contender?  (48:44) Texans AFC threat, Lamar & Harbaugh era concerns, Are the Chiefs done? (01:10:07) Browns lose to Titans, Problem with failed 2-point conversion?  (01:22:05) Should the Bills be AFC favorites? (01:29:25) Bears still contenders, Chiefs season done? (01:52:20) Steelers quiet critics with win over Ravens?  (02:02:43) Joe Burrow vs. Josh Allen, Daniel Jones out for season (02:11:59) Chargers vs. Eagles picks Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Well, live from New York, it's a show that did a trial run last week because I knew this moment would eventually come. I'm the only one responsible for cogent analysis on the show, since my Patriots are going to have to carry the editorial thrust, since the Ravens lost. And unfortunately, even though I'm beloved there, the Kansas City Chiefs lost as well. Once a proud show, it's come to this. Brew, are you, are you okay? You saw what happened yesterday. I did. I did.

I don't mean to that. It's tough. Three hours. You okay? Those Steelers, they had a little help too. They really banged me up. It's okay. Take it easy.

Have you spoken to Nick? Is he talking? I think you will. The question is, can he? Nick, if you can hear me, tell me how you're doing. If this is how we're going out, nothing to lose at this point, boys. This is round upon him.

What's it going to kill me? It's going to kill me? I'm dead already, Wilde. You're not dead. You've got a chance. I'm dead already. Start this show. It's the first hour. of first things first, a serious sports journalism program.

Today are the Ravens and the Chiefs flirting with being dead or are they actually dead? Meanwhile, the Bills win in the snow. Josh Allen looks amazing. But everyone's asking, are the Bills really that good? No one seems to know. And finally, did Shador prove that he's the Brown's franchise quarterback?

I'm looking ahead to the draft already. Alongside a banged-up Chris Broussard, I'm Kevin Wilde's. Nick is still bedridden. Nick, I don't know what your plan is for the entire show. I don't hate it. Oddly, I don't think you can have a cigarette near oxygen. It's some sort of combustible thing, believe it or not. We're all going down together.

Okay. All right. See, we're going to start the show in Kansas City. It was a very cold day at Arrowhead. The Chiefs get doubled up 20 to 10. They fall to 6-7. But unlike the meme, we do know what this means. The Chiefs have an 86% chance to now miss the playoffs.

Here's Patrick Mahomes after the game. We've been close to all season. I mean, at the end of the day, you've got to go out there and make it happen. We got the talent. We got the heart, but we have to go out there and execute it. And until we prove it, we'll come away with losses. So I mean, like I said, I know we're going to give everything we have. We'll give ourselves a chance and I'll see what happens.

Okay, here with his oxygen mask now. It's a miraculous recovery. You're feeling slightly better. What happened to your squad? Everything that's damned them all year, all at once, to be totally honest. Like the offense, herky jerky, Mahomes had to lead them in rushing. and four in those games, by the way, where he leads them in rushing. Patrick, I think, felt that he had to activate Hero mode maybe earlier than he needed to, that third and six, that

we almost missed because we were in commercial, and then they go to the snap. It was, it was a very emotionally wrecking eight seconds, and NBC does a great job, but that was not great, where it's like, we're in commercial, big play coming up, but they got back late, and the snap was off, and then there was a pick, and I didn't even know what happened. missed bad special teams, which had been a, the opposite had been a trademark of this Chief's run. That Butker field goal changes everything.

It does. They certainly don't then go for what was, listen, Andy Reid's one of the greatest coaches ever, has an argument that he's the second greatest coach in the history of the sport. His biggest game management criticism has been being too conservative in the past. that was a wildly reckless fourth down decision. That certainly if they're up 13 to 10, they don't go for. But that is a play you go for if it's 28, 28 against the bills.

And, you know, up and down. That play would have made sense in the Cincinnati Buffalo game earlier that day where it's like nobody's stopping anybody. Right, right. And so that happened. I mean, this is how you get to six and seven. And I don't even know if I mentioned it. They now have retaken their place atop the league after a one year absence in drops.

And they were all, it felt like they were all heartbreaking. Kelsey's ended the game with a pick. Cream Hunts, you know, I think costs us a touchdown on the third down, two fourth down drops, one really bad one. And so that's like none of it, trust me, America, I'm devastated, but I also am honest. None of it should have been shocking because they have made mistakes like this all year. And the same thing, Brew, that made me and still makes me feel like last year's team, Super Bowl notwithstanding, that was a great football team. That was a great team because they, the only, the only, you know, the only, you know, the only,

thing that matters for a team is winning. Yeah. And they understood how to win and how not to lose. This team through 13 games creates a different set of circumstances that allow losses to happen and then they allow them to happen. That's what

happened yesterday and that's what's happened this season. Well, this may sound crazy considering who the Chiefs are. But they lost to a better team yesterday, particularly with all the chief's injuries. Like, we know Houston's defense is better.

But yesterday, C.J. Strau outplayed Mahomes. No question. There's no question about that. And the Chiefs, as Nick said, like, all that's haunted them this season kind of came to the four yesterday. But they're the architects of this dynasty. Andy Reed, Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelsey. I'll leave out Chris Jones.

Because he was great. Yeah, especially at third. quarter of the defense was phenomenal. He was the only one of the big four that really showed like himself yesterday. Those three struggled. Let them down. And you talked about reading. Now, I'm a little surprised that

you on his fourth and one from their 31 with 10 and a half minutes left, whatever it was, because the analytics say they should have went for it. Yeah, I think that's wrong. I think Houston's offense was dead. Well, see, that's why I think

it was a bag. One, people People were saying, and I think this is fair, if you do go for it, run Kareem Hunt. Yeah. I mean, that's why you had the best one-yard offense in the league because of what he was good. I get that they had stopped him here. He had got. Remember at the goal line, his touchdown. Daniel Hunter hit him.

And he still got it. Before the goal line, he still got in. So that, if you're going to go for it, you probably should have ran Kareem Hunt. But I agree. The defense was shutting him down. The Chief's defense, I really thought halftime Houston is in total control, out playing them, and it looked like, okay, they're going to win this thing. Third quarter, I really thought, I wrote down in my notes, it looked like the Chiefs kind of took their heart a little bit.

Like, it looked like the Chiefs came out of the locker room like, okay, this is it. This is our season. and really punched the Texans in the mouth. And the Texans were on their heels a little bit. They had five straight punts. Four of them were three and outs. And so in that circumstance, punt the ball away.

There's plenty of time left. Wasn't like it was two minutes left or anything. Like plenty of time left. And I thought that was a bad decision. Mahomes, probably his worst game of his career, the 19.5 passer rating, that's the worst passer rating. by a starting quarterback

in the second worst in the last four years. Only Sam, not Sam Darno. I can't think of the guy's name that had a worst one. But it was his worst of his career, obviously,

is the worst of a starter. Worst of a starter this season. See, I don't even think it was his worst game this year. I know that statistically it was awful. Watching it, I did. He had a lot of drives,

But the first interception I thought was a bad pass. He threw it into traffic. Into traffic and it was tip-ed-up. And the third one obviously was Kelsey's fault. Like that one just threw it into two defenders. And then the second interception, he just underthrew it. And I also thought he underthrew several, like here's the second interception, just underthrew it.

Like, that's an easy pick. And then he missed a couple of deep shots. The deep pass to Hollywood. Brown. You're saying it could have been a touchdown. Yeah, if he had three, they had led him and throwing his deeper. He also hit Tyquan Thornton. Yeah, it was a tad bit.

Like, Tyquine had to slow up a little bit for it, which allowed Lasseter to get his handed. I'm just, that's nitpicking. That's nitpicking. I mean, Jordan Love had a touchdown pass that was a little bit underthrown. So that's nitpicking. But it just, I get, he was under crazy duress, and he had the five drops. So there's, it's not just him.

but statistically, it's only, it's his worst game of his life. First zero touchdown, three interception game. And then you mentioned Kelsey with the drops, and I'm sure he's just killing himself, but I don't know what happened on those two drops,

particularly the last one that led to the interception. And you mentioned Rice too, and, you know, they had some, their big time playmakers. The only, the only guy, the only guy that is one of the people, of the, of the 12 guys you rely on most on the

Chiefs, the only guy who left that game and whether you know, I'm sure they're all devastated but whose family, you know, was like hey, you did your part, it was Chris Jones. Yeah. Like the, and I don't want to say the only guy who showed up, but the only guy who is like, you know what? I played his typical game.

I played to my level. Again, like I'm not, I'm not going to sit here with that stat line on the screen and say like Patrick played great. I think he played better than that stat line. I agree with it. But it was, Yeah, he did his damage with his legs. He did his damage with his legs.

The play, the third. Yeah, the play that's going to get lost in it, the, in the midst of what looked like the comeback, they had a third and eight that he, when he got face masked, that he actually also completed the pass. Like, there were, and the real, the part of this game,

and again, it maybe it doesn't matter because this team through 13 weeks doesn't look like a team that can win a Super Bowl. anyway, so there's only so much sadness about missing the playoffs. But the Greek tragedy of that game is the

reason they were able to go for that fourth and one is because he trucks the biggest hitter in the league. Al Shiair. Al Shire has him dead to write, and it's going to be fourth and four and they're punting. And they're

punting, and if they punt there, I think they win. Because I just don't think Houston was moving the ball. Because he trucks him and gets it within a yard, they go for it, and the game flips. You know what I mean? Like that's a, but you can't put, there's no excuses. There's no excuses.

This team has more talent than a six and 17. They have had, they had a 14 point lead on the Jacksonville Jaguars and Trevor threw a lollipop that could have been caught to basically end that game. They dropped it and then found a way to lose

that one. They had a fourth quarter lead against Bo Nix. They had a fourth quarter lead against Dak Prescott. They were tied in the fourth quarter in this game. They lost all of them. And so, like, it is what it is. Like, pro football's hard. And they haven't played it

well enough this year. They've made it look much easier than it should look the last several years. And now this is really what folks football usually is. You don't just dominate every year, which is what they've kind of done. Bro, are you writing off the Chiefs totally dead? Not statistically totally dead.

Yeah, I mean, I'm giving them 3%. Because, and here's the only reason why. 3%. Here's the reason why. First of all, Indie could easily lose, and I hate to just go schedule, but we know Daniel Jones is out. Throw Indy's schedule up.

They could, not that they could lose out. They should lose out. Seattle should beat them. San Francisco. should beat them, Jacksonville should beat them, and Houston should be agreed. So I think they're absolutely not missed. That would be eight and nine. And just so the just so everybody's on the same page here, even if Indy gets to 10, that doesn't hurt the Chiefs because that's the one tiebreaker they have.

Okay. So like, so in, so for Indy to have to go two and two to get to 10 and that doesn't hurt. No, for Indy's out of it to me. Because for Indy to hurt the Chiefs, they have to go three and one or better. And that's not happening with Riley Leonard or whomever. Sorry for the Colton, we'll get to you guys later, but that's the reality.

So go ahead. The Chargers, look, their schedule is tougher than, or as tough as the Indianapolis. They've got Philly, we know that tonight, Kansas City, Dallas, Houston, and Denver. So they, I mean, I don't think they'll lose all five of those games. I don't think.

But don't tell me they couldn't. So listen, here is. Now, they've been playing pretty well too, so maybe they'll. And listen, if they beat the Chiefs in a week, then it's just. Absolutely. Then it's just dead. Then it's just dead for Kansas City. Here is the actual, it would appear to me that the AFC playoffs have New England and

Buffalo, this is not in order. New England and Buffalo, a team from the AFC North. the Denver Broncos, the Jacksonville Jaguars, and the Houston Texans. That is, those teams, and I understand the Texans are record-wise precarious, but they are playing so well, and they do not have the type of schedule those other teams do. So that means there is one spot remaining. The Ravens ignore them because if they get in, it will be through the division. The dolphins, I just don't, the dolphins have a game.

They got a pretty decent schedule. And they also, they have not played up that level. And I don't know. The only reason the Bengals are on that graphic is because of the AFC North. They can't get the wild card. So here is the facts on the ground for Kansas City. If they go four and oh and get two 10 wins and we are eliminating the cults from going three and one, throw the charger schedule back up.

If we just say the chiefs are going to go four and oh, which means beating the chargers, beating the Titans, beating the Raiders, and beating the Broncos. Broncos at home, right? In Kansas City. Anybody that's watching these 15 minutes, I'm not, I'm not pumping my chest out about the Chiefs. They've proven when they play good teams, they lose more often than not. But if they do that, then they make the playoffs with either of the following two things

happening. The Chargers going one and four down the stretch or the charge. The Chargers going two and three with one of the losses being to Denver. Because if the Chiefs and Chargers both finished 10 and 7 with the Chargers having lost to the Chiefs and Denver, the Chiefs get in on the third tiebreaker, which is common opponent. So that's, the path is if we are eliminating the Colts, the path is the Chiefs went out, the Chargers either go one and four or two and three with a loss to Denver. I would say that's greater than 3 percent.

It's not likely. With all that said, as I'm in a hospital bed today, if the Chargers lose tonight and the Chiefs beat the Chargers next week, different Nick Wright will be here. Oh! Because the next game for Kansas City is Tennessee. And then you're feeling like, okay, you've steadied yourself. But right now, today, they don't look like a team that should beat the Chargers.

Yeah, it probably is a little higher than 3%. Woof. All right. Speaking of, let's head to Baltimore. Lamar was outplayed by Aaron Rogers, who's 42. Ravens dropped to 6 and 7, and unlike the mean, we know what this means. There's now a 73% chance the Ravens missed the playoffs. Again, according to the athletic playoff predictor,

here's Lamar on his level of frustration, bro. Through the roof, man, we shouldn't, I feel like Thanksgiving game, we should have lost that game, you know, it was turned over, unfortunately, but this one here is like, I don't know what happened. We got to see those guys again. We got Cincinnati. So we just got to finish strong. I feel like each and every week there's no room for error.

We're professional. So I feel like we're just trying to win much as we could right now. Like we've just been talking about four-game stretch, we just got to lock in and put it all on the line. Brew, what happened to your squad? Before I get to that, the box! The box is back. What are we doing with the box?

Not much. Not what I thought I'd be doing with the box. Now the Jordans are already in here. Yes. And I thought I was going to unveil the robe at some point this season when the Ravens are back. Yes. Right? But now it's become evident to me that not likely to happen.

So last night after the Chiefs game, I came here, drove here, went to the basement. By the way, hubs, that plays is a mess. clean that thing. It's cobwebs all over. It's wet down there and some goo all over the floor. I have no idea what it is. I just tried to avoid it. But anyway, I went down there and got the robe and the glasses.

And sad to say, I'm putting the robe in the box. Because look, I'm holding out hope, hope against hope, that they will get it together. I don't think you have to get it. Yeah, but I am putting the robe in the box. And sadly, I might not see that bad boy again until next year. Training camp maybe. Yeah, maybe. If I even pick him, nah, I hate to say it that way.

First of all, I do have to say this. And you guys know me. I'm not an excuse guy. I thought the Isaiah likely catch was a touchdown. I mean, he took two, I think we have it on video. Caught it. We've seen guys just reach across the goal line and the ball goes out and it's a touchdown. I mean, I thought that was definitely a touchdown.

You could even argue him holding the ball out like this as a football play. I mean, I just don't like that they think that passes the standard to overturn it. Yes. I was called. If they had not. If we're called incomplete, I just don't, this is replay creep, which I don't like. You guys told us it's clear and obvious is the standard. That's not clear and obvious.

And so whatever the ruling on the field for that was should have stood. So I agree with you, Gru. I thought also the field goal where they called it was rough in the center, I guess. Yeah, it was tick. I mean, both guys ran through, you know, they didn't go into the center. They went through the guard and hit the center. But anyway, that end up, they take the field goal off the- Get seven.

Scoreboard and they get seven. That said, I'm not making that. Look, bad calls happen. It is what it is. The Ravens not only didn't play well yesterday, haven't played well all season. We've talked about it. I mean, I don't know if you can point to one game

where they really played well. I was at the Cleveland game where they blew them out in the second week of the season, and he still didn't look very good. You know, defense looked good, has some takeaways and things like that. And I was glad if you heard Lamar, talk, he didn't blame the

refs either. He said, look, I thought it was a touchdown, but hey, things happened and something to that effect. So, they're just not very good this year. Like, they can't put together a complete game. For whatever reason, if the defense is playing well, the offense is poor, which has been the case of the

last few weeks. If the offense is playing well early in the season, the defense was horrendous. If both are playing okay, they got penalties. They got, you know, and I also think the play calling, They don't, their game plan doesn't seem to be a real plan. But, I mean, yesterday they were in for 200 yards.

Yeah, right. And I would have liked to see them, you know, run a little more with that. But it's still, they just. Vanilla is just plain? No, he's just saying the game plan doesn't have like a strategy. Yeah, it just seems like, hey, we got the best, one of the best running backs in the league, so let's run him some. He's not in for some series.

Lamar ran a little better yesterday. Yeah, but he was not. Yeah, he wasn't himself. Look, I mean, I'm just, here's where, well, I'll get to them. Yeah, so just real, like, here's the other thing that happened. And it got lost because it's in the one o'clock window, there's all these finishes, the big story is the Ravens lost. The two-minute drive at the end of the game was an abomination.

And they got the ball with a minute 56 left, down five, and a timeout at the 26. Plenty of time. They had the ball with 48 seconds left at the 34 and had used their time out. They spent a minute 10, and this is where I feel Lamar criticism is the most fair. That is a franchise quarterback's job to understand. We can't spend a minute to go eight yards. They had a holding penalty, so I guess they went 18 yards. And that two-minute drive was a faster but condensed version of McNabb in the Super Bowl.

Like, what are you doing? They basically ran out of time, which is like that should not happen when you got two minutes. Exactly right. Two minutes and a timeout to go 74 yards and they ran out of time. That's unforgivable. So, and that to me was part and parcel with what's happened to the. the Ravens over this, because they had won five in a row over the two-game winning streak that took them from, the season one in five was because of the defense and Lamar got hurt.

Six and five was, okay, we're all right. Six and seven is because they are not getting quality play from their quarterback for reasons that we don't understand. You know what, like just flatly. Like, we don't understand what the, is it? Is it? injury, is it a disconnect, whatever it is. But they had, that's not like a spot you have to come through in, but that's a spot you can't run out of time. Right. If you go, if you go four and out, so be it, even if you throw, trying to make a play

and throw a pick because you're pressing, what can't happen is run out of time, which is what happened there, which is unbelievable. They appear very unorganized and undisciplined. I hate to put it out. But you still think they can win the North? Well, look, I think they will split with Cincinnati or beat Cincinnati and Pittsburgh to split the season series. Well, they're in good shape.

Cincinnati, well, they're not. I don't see any reason to think they can beat New England and Green Bay. I definitely think Green Bay will beat them because they'll be playing for something. The Patriots will as well. You feel they probably are due for a loss. They might lose to the bills coming up. So eight and nine does that get that? That's the thing.

I feel confident against the Bengals and the Steelers. I don't feel that confident against the Patriots and Cincinnati on Sunday. I still believe in Cincinnati. Coming up next. What are they playing for? I like them. This is more first things first after the break. Welcome back to first things first number one podcast in the world.

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We're headed to Buffalo. Snowy day where the bills capitalized on back-to-back Joe Burrow interceptions to move to 9 and 4. Josh had four total touchdowns flying around the field, 78 yards on the ground. Here he is post-game. Have it all the way, right?

Huh? Never doubt. Oh, burn! Shout out! Is that burn? I don't know what that is. Something. Sorry.

How dangerous is this version of the bills? All right, let me address that real quick. Because Josh and I do have some mutual acquaintances. In fact, I wore today on our walk-in video, I wore the sweatshress that says no gamble, no future, which is my buddy Brent Hanks' show, poker show. And he's from Buffalo, big Buffalo fan, I think pals with Josh. I want to root for you guys this year, Josh.

so I will take that never a doubt as an olive branch rather than a knife because the fact of the matter is this this version of the bills should go to the Super Bowl and there is an odd added pressure right now in Buffalo and we can talk about this more later but if the tournament starts and Lamar is not in it and Joe's not in it, and Patrick's not in it, then there is, there's always pressure on the bills and Josh Allen, but there is a pressure unlike any other year in the past and likely unlike any year in the future,

and that's no disrespect to the young teams, but it is, that has been the big four in the conference, and three of them are just not in the tournament. I think Wilde's crazy Rhino, Josh Allen is the scariest version, just the like third and 15 I might run it I might turn the ball over I'm doing it's the snow made it feel even more ominous at no point did I think Buffalo was out of the game at no point I understand they needed burrow to make some mistakes but it felt like Josh was going to put them in position to score every time so I find this version of the bills very dangerous wilds and I almost had a divorce this morning over the fact that I just simply repeated to him things he has said about the bills all year long that he wants to disavowal. So I just want you to be on the record. This version of the bills is excellent.

But I do not think that your quarterback going superhero mode is a consistent recipe for winning games. Sometimes they win just a boring game where nothing really happens. The Patriots win a lot of games like that. Occasionally Drake May is great. But if Josh doesn't go superhero mode, the defense, which is the fifth worst rushing,

defense and a scoring defense that is 0.3 points better than the Dolphins, who we never talk about having a good defense. I don't think that is a recipe for super bowl success. So you don't think this team's, because I don't want to misquote you because this version is very dangerous. You don't think the bills are a contender. Well, I can't. Yeah, contender, but not super dangerous. They're obviously going to be in the tournament and I'd rather not play them, but I do not think they are an elite team when your number one path is LeBron scores 45 and we can win. I'm like, all right, it feels a little Luca Donchick, Luca Mads. Like, well, we've got Luca, and if Luca gives us 50, we're good.

And then lost to a team from New England. Yeah, look, I'm with Kevin. If you want to bank on it being superhero mode every week, and that's going to take you to the Super Bowl, then that's great. It's not really sustainable. He scored, what, two touchdowns on fourth down. Fantastic. He had the longest run ever by a Bill's quarterback.

He broke his own record. That was 40 yards. On third and seven, no, it's third and 15 when they need to seal the game. He runs it for 17 yards. So those things are incredible. They had the two picks against Joe Burrow back to back, which defensively, it's not like that's how they've been playing all season. And we need to put this in perspective.

They're playing the Bengals. The Bengals have not become the 85 Bears. Oh, don't tell you. him that. No, no, they're not to better. You just got to put it in a little bit of perspective here. The Bengals have played better.

They have played better, but they still have had significant amount of problem. So lighting them up, it's not like, whoa, I can't believe anybody did that. But, Coach, I'm sorry, I just want, Coach, if the AFC playoffs that I laid out happen where the

Chiefs and the Ravens and the Bengals are not in it, I know you and I know, I feel like I do, I feel like you're going to say, yeah, I like Buffalo's chances here. Yeah, because when you look at it, if every other superhero is out of it, yes. The only other MVP is going to be Aaron Rogers, and he won the MVP, what? And all of a sudden, Drake May is not carrying him, but he was, you were adamant, the league MVP.

Wait, he's the league MVP, but we're a balanced team. Well, okay. They are absolutely scary. In this AFC, without the chiefs and the Ravens in there, I mean, because he can do this three straight games. That's the thing. He did it the year the 13 second game. Well, it was two straight games, but yes. Right. Like, he's had great

post seasons where he was great the entire postseason. And so he can do this. And look, James Cook, their run, if he just, Cook fumbles all the, like, he leaves the league with six fumbles, three lost, both of them are first in the league. But they have

that strong running game. And their defense obviously isn't great, but it's not horrendous. And now, seeing him do this against Denver, against Houston, that's a little hard to fathom. But when I look at these quarter, I mean, C.J. Strau, Bo, Nix, Drake May, Justin Herbert.

Who am I missing? Like, Trevor Lawrence. Like, I mean, seriously, though. He is on an entirely different level, two levels above any of those guys. I know. Including Drake right now. Two of the quarterbacks that you mentioned already

he beat him. He did nothing against the Texas. And that wasn't even and C.J. wasn't there. And Dr. May went into his building. If he does, if he is this version, he's unbeatable. I think the bills are unbeatable if he's a superhero. But we've seen a lot of instances. We're like, hey, how about we don't let Josh Allen score four touchdowns? I think if they beat the Patriots in this next game, like I think the winner of that game is the favorite in the AFC.

I think, and I know it's just a regular season game. If we split, you don't care. No, because I just think Buffalo, if they go, if they lose to you, then I can't say they're better than the paper. Haley wins that they win the division, right? Yes. So it's a T-shirt and hat game? Yeah.

I'm being a Bill's guy? I'm the only person on the show the last two years that is believed they were the second best team in the conference each year. Last year I was right. This year, I might have been wrong for a couple reasons, but not because I undervalued them. I just, you, the, I think you're coming around on the bills. This version is very dangerous, and if I was a bills fan,

I would be frustrated hearing my analysis. Like, he's so good. It's hard to replicate. So it's like, all right, if he played not as good and we won, would you be more confident? Like, oddly, yes. You needed to score 39 points to beat the Bengals, and Joe Rowe gave a great offense.

Where is their scoring defense rank? Because you did a weird. 14th. 14th. Okay, so that's fine. That's not terrible. You were like they were like point three better than the dolphins. I don't even understand the context of it.

So they have an above average scoring defense. They're a little bit. All I'm saying is like, imagine if no one in the world would be like the dolphins defense will keep you in the game. No, we don't think they have a great defense. But a 14-trane scoring defense isn't. It's fine. Like, right.

Literally fine. But the rushing defense is fifth worst. And the past defense is one of the best, right? Yeah, but I always think that's a little bit funky or you just run in because... Yeah, once you're the worst at one, it gets skewed up on the other one. They're okay.

We'll see how they do in Foxborough. Browns lost to the Titans when a wild two-point conversion went awry. Shadour wasn't on the field for that, but when he was, 364 yards, four total touchdowns. Here he is on the excitement in the stadium. Take a listen.

I always seen the assignment since draft day, I've seen an assignment, you know, So ain't nothing changed. Nothing changed with it at all. But enjoy, like deep down within myself, you know, that's where I felt the most excitement because it's like, you know, sometimes you don't know if you're going to get in that place, you know. You don't know if you're going to get in the end zone.

It's a lot, you know, that come with this game. It's a lot to even get on the field. All right. Rookie quarterbacks with 350 or more passing yards, three passing touchdowns and one rushing touchdown. In the last, this is last 10 years, Josh. all time. Joe Burrow against the Browns and Shadori yesterday.

What did he prove to you? Well, he proved that he can be, could one day be a franchise quarterback. Or, you know, there's no question about that. And coach, I think this is, and I'm not saying he will be that. I'm just saying there is clearly the potential there. No other rookie I don't believe

has thrown for 300 yards this season. We just saw what he, I mean, this is third start with no like legitimate reps apparently up until three or four weeks ago. And he does this. So this to me is embarrassing for the scouting departments around the league. Now, maybe I would throw this caveat out there because there was some reporting that made you to, maybe he was just completely entitled in his interview, you know what I mean, that he just didn't take him seriously and just rub people the wrong way.

There was some reporting, we're not sure. But there is a great chance he would have went undrafted. I know the Ravens were looking at him as a backup for Lamar. But if the Browns hadn't taken him and their owners hadn't said, go get this kid just for the fans, he might have gone undrafted. And he steps in there and does what only Joe Burrow has ever done. He has four passes of 50 or more yards in his three starts. or his four weeks of playing.

Only Aaron Rogers since 2000. Aaron Rogers is the only other player to do that in his first three starts. And think about that includes Mahomes when he had Tyreek and was lighten the league on fire. So I'm like, so it looks bad, I think scouts and other teams, were they worried about Dion that has to be on the table? Maybe he did just not, the blow off his interviews. That has to, I guess, be on the table.

but typically even if a kid you don't like his attitude or some of his history, if he's got talent, you just overlooked that. And I also think coach for Stefansky, and I don't know,

I'm not going to say he has it in for this kid, but if he keeps playing not like this, but well, it does make Stefansky look like, what were we doing the first 12 weeks of the season? Did he not show anything

in training camp or practice? So I just think. Well, that's a, coaches point that Stafancy's kind of damned either way now. If they lose and he's bad, that hurts Stefansky. And if he's awesome, some people... And it could be deservingly hurting him because

maybe he didn't even give him a chance or it could just legitimately be he didn't play well, he didn't show him anything, but he's a gamer. I mean, as well as he played, they lost to the worst team in the NFL. That's a fair point. So, no, that's... I mean, we're the way, the way that it's

projected is that they had this huge victory against this great team. But wasn't he great coach individually? They lost to the worst team in the NFL. They made Tony Farler look like Tony Dorset. Yeah. And look, the bronze defense is pretty staunch. So it was interesting to see him with Kim Ward.

And they were behind by multiple touchdowns late. And he did a lot of good things in bring him back. And there's a bunch of positives. But over the course of the three games, he's at 52% completion. He's only had five touchdowns and he's got three interceptions. He's got an 80 quarterback rating. He's been sacked at eight times, which is about 7% of the time. So his numbers are very comparable, and I know nobody wants to hear that,

to what Dylan Gabriel's numbers were. They're very similar. Oh, but they're not at all similar in the types of passes he's throwing. I'm just saying statistically that the numbers are very similar, and, you know, it's not, again, Tennessee's, we've got to put into a context of how well they've played up to this point, and it'll be interesting to see as he continues. to move forward. But there are a ton of positive things,

and it's good that they're going to continue to start them because they're going to have to make a decision going to this offseason whether they really feel like he can make enough of a jump next year to give him a legitimate shot as their QB won. Right, because they have two first-round picks. If they don't have to use either one of them on a quarterback, then all of a sudden... Huge.

Miles Garrett yesterday, by the way, set the all-time record for sacks in a career in loss. which, by the way, is way, is way more impressive than it sounds, because he got to 64 and a half in 77 losses. Bruce Smith, who had the record, had 64 in 131 losses. So, like, that speaks to for Miles Garrett, how impressive he's been, when they're trailing hard to get. Tough trophy.

No, I understand, of course. But my, the teams don't have to throw his. Right. The reason I mentioned in that is, if this team were ever good, they are what Miles Garrett on a good team looks like we don't even know so to me what he proved was this and I'm not nearly as big of a Shador fan coming into the league as Brew

he's better than Dylan Gabriel and I understand coach the touch interception numbers are similar that offense it's the same players with Dylan Gabriel is two yards at a time and Shador there listen the pick he threw was as bad as any pick Dylan's thrown all year. He had four passes in this game that were better than any Dylan Gabriel play thus far this season. The scramble that he had was great too. Right. Oh, the

touchdown run. That was fantastic. Right. So to me, it does add to the confusion about how this entire situation was handled. And it also, and this is more of a Stefansky thing, takes Shadjad. door out of it. If this offense, let's just say Chador is an average backup, okay? That's what he is, just for the sake of argument. If this offense can function to a level we've seen it function in stretches with Shador, then it does make you also look at, man, who was in love with Dillon Gabriel and why?

Like have the, like that piece of it to me. And so I think that Shador now has a real opportunity, coach, to over this next month, if he plays well, to do something that I didn't think was possible, which is inter next season as they're projected at least in the first competition for the starting quarterback job. Yeah, and if he plays really well, he'll probably have a new head coach. So if he plays really well, it'll get Savansky fired. I would imagine I could get a lot of people fired. Coach, who do you think should be a head coach of the Browns? Well, you know, I've talked about this before, whether Dion would be an option or not. My thought of what process is Dion comes in and then you trade to pick back and get Travis Hunter from Jacksonville and get the band back together.

Opening a new stadium, saw in a bunch of tickets. Injected into the United. Turned around Jackson State, turned around Colorado. I thought he was going to say he was going to take another run out of himself. He still was. Easy commute. I should be, yeah. Jordan Love turned to Jay.

Oh, I threw three touchdowns on the Bears defense while the defense turned into. Oh, Ben Johnson is throwing a long pass on fourth and one. It's intercepted. Packers now 4 and O in divisional playbrew much better than last year when you guys went 1 in 5. Very confident this is your Packer squad moving forward. Well, look, I'm confident that they're one of the best teams in the league and I'm confident that they can win the NFC. like they're they're an elite team we know how great the defense is but now jalo getting back christian watson and jaden reed that's been huge fast yeah he's he's giving him a deep threat

and since he's been back i think the run game at least the last two weeks the run game's been better because it opens things up a little bit and josh jacobs has had two of his best games in the last two weeks so they're tough look when jacobs is running like that and that run game is working. And J-Lo last two games, seven touchdowns, one pick. So we know that just the concern with him is the interceptions or the bad decisions. But he also has tended to be better in the second half of the season. And obviously we're in the second half of the season.

So, yeah, I think they are one of the elite teams in the NFC, them, the Rams. I still put Philly in there. I think those three. I want to say something about J-Lo real quick, because all year long, I have had basically two Packers themes. One is that contrary to what coach might tell you, Michael Parsons, really good, impacts games.

Yeah, how many sex here yesterday? You know what? Coach, hold on. I'm glad you said that. I'm glad you said that. You watched that whole game. How much of the Packers... No, I don't care about him getting held. The Packers' success on defense, so much of it was because the Bears were adamant, Micah's not going to do to us what he did to Detroit

on Thanksgiving and a lot of other guys have some success. So that's one take. The other take was that Jordan Love is the most intriguing player in the league this year because the Packers can win a Super Bowl if he is just good. And I think they will win it if he's great, or will win the conference if he's great, and can he be? And the numbers this year have been excellent, and I haven't felt like he's excellent. And I want to give Ben Solac credit because he tweeted it. I was like, that's what I, that's my thought. And to paraphrase Ben, he's like, it's not that Jordan Love throws a lot of interceptions. It's that the interceptions he

throws are the worst ones you've ever seen. And I think that's what makes, because the pick he threw in this game was an awful pick. He's only thrown like four all year, but I feel like he's thrown four awful picks. And so that may be as kind of colored the way I view him

unfairly, because it doesn't really matter how bad the pick is. And so I think these Packers in a, I think the Rams are clearly the best team, but after them, I don't think you can a strong case for anybody over the Packers right now in that conference. Yeah, so every week we do this thing called upset alert, and the Packers have been really,

really good for me. Wow. I've chosen them twice, and they lost to the Browns, and they lost to Carolina, and we saw that they tied the cowboys. And to me, that's the issue with this year's Packers, is that they are very good, and they are, when they're hot, they're extremely hot, and that's especially true for Jay-Lo, and you've seen it over the course of his career. When he's good, he's so good.

And when he's bad, typically he's not terrible, but it's such a huge discrepancy. And that's improved a little bit this season. But from a team perspective, can they know that they've won three division games in a row? They've won four straight. They've got this momentum. Can they survive the overconfidence that they've shown at different points throughout the course of season and actually just look at what's in front of them and take care of that next game? because that's been the problem.

I agree. I know really, but I want to ask you this question. Because if their problem has been, they lose to bad teams. You know, they overlook teams. Carolina's not a bad team at this point, but they overlooked them. Is that something that actually could make them more dangerous than their record suggests come to playoffs? Because if you're a disproportionate losses to bad teams,

you're not playing, there's no playoff game you're going to be overlooking anybody. Like, do you think that solves itself once the playoffs start? I don't know if it solves itself. It's just this idea that you could, you start looking past what's important. And that to me is what they have to get past, is just what's in front of you. And if you can just focus on what's in front of you and take everybody as seriously as you should, you know, week in a week out, then they'll be great. They'll be fine. But they haven't shown the ability to consistently do that.

At the Broncos, then back to Chicago. And I think they're a tough sked. I think they're favorites at the Broncos. Really? They're favored in Denver? I thought so. Well, that would be very insulting to Bo Nix. Chief season over next.

Question mark. Chief season over? There you go. Hi from New York. The show that has spent approximately $1,500 on medical supply props. Way over. Way over. You have no idea how expensive that bed is to rank.

In New York State. I called Hubs last night, and I asked him, I'll just tell you the truth. I called him at halftime. And this is exactly what I said. You called him at halftime? Wow. That's a story.

I'm telling you. I'm telling you. He has no faith in you, Kansas City. Can I tell you? I'm telling you the exact quote. I called Hubbs and these are first words out of my mouth. He was annoyed I called. I could tell.

I said, obviously the chiefs are going to come back. But if by some chance they don't, I think we need two medical beds tomorrow. And Wilde rolls me and brew both out. And Hubs is a small. The response was, we cannot afford that. And that medical bed is kind of heavy. You'd have had to be like.

But Wilde's luckily sneaky jacked. Making matters worse, there is some elderly person who needs a medical bed. I'm sorry, it's being used on first things first. The chiefs lost to the Texas. Military court. First things first. Today, did Aaron Rogers and Mike Tomlin silence

their critics as Tomlin gets another win over the ring. He's great. He's like, I mean, he might be a jerk. I can't tell, but I love it. I don't like. He's a good, oh, I love it, but I just, he has a lot of, he just, I love this.

I love it. Meanwhile, Blowing. Did Chidor Sanders and Granta he was playing the Titans? Just prove that the Browns don't need to draft a quarterback, but he is the future quarterback of that franchise we discuss. And one of the most bizarre two point conversions. in NFL history.

Someone will defend. Okay. For right now, oh, it's getting late early. In Kansas City, a loss of the Texans drops KC to 6 and 7. Their playoff hopes on life support. Here's Patrick Mahomes. We know the chances are getting lower and lower,

but I know the guys on this team are going to give everything they have every opportunity we get. I know we're not winning games, but that mindset that these guys have in this locker room in the games that we're not winning, you can never question the fight of this team. And obviously, we're not executing at the right moments, and we're not making those plays.

But at the end of the day, you'll never question that, and I think you'll see that for these last four weeks. The Chief's done. Not done officially, but it would take a lot of things, some of which they can't control. And the way they've played the last month, you almost have a little more failure.

in the things they can't control. So to not be done, they need the cults to fall off, but I believe that's going to happen. They need the chargers to either go one and four or two and three with one of the losses being to Denver.

But in order for those things to matter, they have to win all those games. And right now, yeah, they haven't lost a bad teams, so you can say they'll beat the Titans and the Raiders. But they also have not done well late in the season against good teams.

And the Chargers are a good team and the Broncos are a good team. And the Chiefs, the way they lost yesterday, coach, it was a little sprinkle of all the things that have gotten them in this position all year. Defensively, while great in the second half. The game starts with these third and longs. They're giving up third and longs again and again. And even in the second half, when the defense, they ended up getting off the field, they gave up a third and 16. They gave up a third and 16 fighting for their life defensively. Offensively, they lead the league in drops again.

They have the only running game they have consistently, aside from the Colts game, is Patrick. And they can't win. I mean, they're 0.4 when Patrick runs. Patrick, I think, pressed a little earlier than he needed to in this game and led to him making some mistakes and missing some throws. again, I'm not going to defend his stat line. I don't think he, that stat line is, oh, my God, that's the worst game played in the NFL this year. If you watched it, I don't think that's how you felt watching it, but regardless.

And Andy, who I adore, I thought the going forward on fourth and one, in that, there are some games where I totally would defend that. Man, trust Patrick, trust the offense, got to score. I thought the Texans offense was D-O-A in that second half. And I felt great punting, being tied. And so if it's 2828 and you're facing Josh Allen, I go for it. 10-10 against a team that hasn't scored in 90 real minutes, I punt the ball. And so in order for them to not be done, they have to somehow channel the team that we saw twice this year.

against Detroit and against Baltimore and be that team for a month. If that's the case and they get lucky, then they're not done. But quickly before, and I know coach is going to go, but I want, and I hate to say this,

how good was that win over Baltimore? And Detroit's not quite as good. The win over Detroit was great. There was a good win, but they're not as good as we thought they were. Baltimore obviously isn't as good as we thought they were. You know, so those made me think, oh, the Chiefs are back, you know. But now I wonder those are like their two best wins.

No, but I just picked those games because they, for stretches. They appear to be great wins at the time. But they have shown those are the only game, because for stretches of the Denver game, the Cowboys game, the, hell, the Eagles game, for stretches of those games, they looked great. But they couldn't put together four quarters. Baltimore and Detroit against, let's just say Detroit then, quality opponent. They put together four excellent quarters and beat them thoroughly,

but they haven't been able, they haven't shown them that the last month. Even the Colts game, they're down 11 entering the fourth quarter. They had to steal. Throughout the course of season, we've been trying to figure out how they could possibly morph back into the team that we saw last year. And you saw glimpses of it and you hope, okay, this is where they're going to make their run.

This is where they're going to make their run. know what they lost two two in a row they lost at home they're typically very good at home and the only redeeming thing about that schedule that's coming up is there two tough games are at home yep they're one and five on the road so that's been problematic and even if they make the playoffs since they've been so bad on the road they're going to be on the road the entire playoffs you know that'll that'll be challenging based off of how it's been and you watch the game yesterday and and it is the drop passes uncharacteristic it's the the field goal that doings off the goal post. It's the coaching decision that Andy said he would make again. That's what he said today.

He would probably do it again if he had it over to do. But that's pretty uncharacteristic for him. I guess I understand. Put it in your best player's hand and see whether he can win the game. But there's so many, there's moments and years where I've been a part of things and everything goes right and all the decisions are good and the breaks, they all break your way. And then there's other times we've been part of teams where the ball doinks off the goalpost. It bounces off our best player and gets picked off. Everybody gets hurt. And it seems like that's where Kansas City is.

And I wish I could, I know we have to move on. I wish I could say, listen, you're playing the best defense in the league. You're without three offensive linemen and your backup left tackle went down on the first play. That's not why they lost. His backup did pretty well. That's a pool. I don't know if it's pole or pool. Yeah.

He did excellent. He did a great job. And the right side of the offense. They did have the game plan I thought they would, which was they know how banged up their O line is. They know how good the Texan's defense is. They're going to be quick and conservative on that. So, yes, that put them at a disadvantage. But that's not why they lost.

They lost because they had the opportunity to win. And for what I consider to be the fifth time this season, not I consider, they were, it's the opposite of what it used to be. shut up. I used to tweet out, hey, you can get the chiefs plus two and a half, you know, just saying. And it was the five times now this year, they have seven losses, five times, they have been the favorite, live betting favorite in the fourth quarter of a game they lost. So it's the opposite. They used to be underdogs, but they, not underdogs, but they would all be trailing. You could bet them. When going into the. that fourth and one, they were minus 300 for the game.

So in that moment, they were minus 300. They found a way to lose. And so those teams, they now have to win four in a row and hope the Chargers fall apart. It's really that simple. They go 4 and O, the Chargers fall apart. If the Chargers win the night, which I don't expect, I think it's over. Because to me, that means the Chargers aren't going to go on this bad losing streak.

What's weird about it is they play each other next week. Right. So even if they win tonight, but then the Chargers, Chiefs win next week. Then it's, we're down to a hand-in game. But then the charges have to keep losing. Yeah, chargers. Texans, defense, sworn Mahomes, three interceptions, two sacks.

CJ did just enough to cancel the Arrowhead invitational. Here's coach Damico Ryan's in the locker room. What do you think about that hunt, baby? So, extremely proud of you guys, man. A way to come up, come out here tonight, man, execute and finish. It was all about defenders. Great team win. We did what we came to do.

All right. Since we can't, we did, we can to do, I see you guys on Wednesday. Are the Texans a legit threat in your mind coach? Yes, because of how they play defensively. Yes, because of the way they can just stifle people. It's just, you look at what C.J. Stroud did early. And then since then, it's been a struggle. By early, you mean in the game yesterday or in his career?

in his career. Okay, gotcha. It's first. And you're looking at that trajectory thinking, okay, this is going to be a guy and a team that every year is going to produce explosive or fairly explosive results offensively. And it just hasn't been that. So from the fact that they've been able to beat good teams here recently, this is what, their fifth in a row.

Yeah. They've had a brutal schedule. They've had a brutal schedule. They've just strung a fifth one together against Kansas City in Kansas City. in Kansas City, that momentum moving into the playoffs or into the late part of the season is really powerful. And any team that's got a defense that's as good as their defense, you've got a shot.

Yeah, I agree. I mean, that five-game win streak and clues, obviously, the Chiefs, Jacksonville, Buffalo, so they're beating good teams, very good teams. Indianapolis, obviously. Yeah, but look, I mean, And they lost close games to the Rams, Bucks, Jags early. They lost to Denver by three with Davis Mills playing most of the game

because that's when C.J. Stroud got hurt. So, yeah, they're a very good team. Obviously, beating San Francisco is a good win. And Denver doesn't, they're similar in that they got a great defense, but the offense is shaky. Buffalo, like, when you look at the AFC now, yes, they got a shot because there's not a complete team in the conference. Buffalo, yes, the great offense.

That's true. Okay, you guys are, okay, I'll take that back. You're probably the most complete. But yeah, the lack of experience is something. We'll see if that doesn't become an issue. And you don't have like what I would say, like the scary playmakers, scariest playmakers. You know, it's a conservative type team and they get it done.

but it's wide open. I don't think generally, Coach, they have the great offense to get to the Super Bowl, but this might be one of those years where the Ravens with Trent and Dillfer, you know what I mean, where it's a defense-led team.

But if they don't, if they don't win the division, which they could, but if they don't, they are going to be either the, most likely, the six or the seven-seat. Buffalo's the five.

Now they have tiebreaker, Buffalo, but just, so let's just talk about them as a wildcard team. If they are the five-seed, and they're, they're playing whoever wins the AFC North, I will be picking them. And if they are the six or the seven and they are playing Drake Mayn, his first playoff start,

or Bo Nix, or Trevor Lawrence, that is, this is where if I were a Patriots fan, I would prefer almost anyone than the Texans. Because I would not want for my first career playoff start that defense. Like the Broncos teams to be a hell too, but you can't play them. Yeah. You know, I like of all of the potential wildcard teams, if I'm the Pats, like sign me up. I'd rather a third game oddly against Buffalo maybe. Yeah.

Then that defense coming to town. And here's the other thing about the experience piece of it, KW. Like see in this year's AFC playoffs, C.J. Stroud's going to come in and be like, man. Yeah. I got more experience than most. Like it'll do. I just don't know how that, how. I know we talk about it a lot

like in the Super Bowl. No, first career quarterbacks in their first career playoffs start, those numbers are grizzly. That's not a fake thing. But are they oftentimes the favorite you know, are they the top higher seed? I bet they're not.

I mean, okay. You my guess, right? There is a different level of intensity going to the playoff. You end that regular season and the intensity that just ramps up going to the playoffs, it's differently. And if you haven't felt it, it takes a little adjusting.

I mean, you can shake your head, but I promise you, it's different. Not worried about it. Sorry, guys. Experience. That's the only thing we got on it. That's the only thing you got on me. Steelers went into Baltimore, and Mike Tomlin put his feet on the Ravens coffee table yet again. Tomlin moves to 22 and 17 against Harbaugh.

Most wins over one coach in the Super Bowl era. More of a testament to dual longevity. Here's Horibah on Lamar. I thought he played really well. You know, it was what we've come to expect and how he plays. And I just, I always have so much respect for him and the way he plays and the way he fights and competes and everything else out there. You know, when the game's starting, the lights come on, you know, there's nobody you'd rather have. Okay.

Are we watching the end of the Lamar Harbaugh era? We should be. And Lamar is not the one that needs to go. 18 years, you know, Harbaugh's been there. I mean, that's a long, they're talking about getting rid of Tomlin, and they look like they might make the playoffs.

So in barring a miraculous run, and I don't even know if this would do it, a miraculous run to the AFC championship game. That might just be like, well, we should have been there. Why did we have such a terrible season? Maybe we could have got further had we played well during the season. So barring that or a super, Super Bowl run, I think it's time for hardball to go.

I think this team, my argument coach against that when they were struggling early in the year was he has, when most people in the NFL, it seemed, didn't think Lamar Jackson could be an NFL quarterback, right? It wasn't just Bill Polling. You know, he was drafted, what, 32nd or something like? He has helped develop him into this all-time great quarterback. Yeah, but thanks. But now that their struggle, that Lamar is playing so poorly, I kind of move that aside and say it just looks like they need a new start, a fresh voice.

I think Harbaal get a job somewhere else eventually. I think he's a good coach. But they look undisciplined. The penalties are bad. They, you know, it's all, they don't play a complete game most of the time. One of their groups, special teams, defense, offense seems to blow it. Or they just lose their cool and have unsportsman. conduct penalties or whatever it is.

It's always something. I just think it's time for a new coach and culture there. But they lost by five points. And Isaiah likely's touchdown could have been ruled a touchdown. Yeah, it should have been. I mean, really,

realistically, that could have been, I mean, it's kind of surprising. It wasn't. So now if they had won today, would you still feel? I would because don't you, like, they haven't, even if they had won that game, It had to play a good football this year. I mean, even their wins, they haven't really looked incredibly impressive.

Yeah, and there are seasons like that. And you could say the same thing about Pittsburgh, and that's the way the whole division is going in Cincinnati. Those things happen. And there is something to the way that Harbaugh has been able to manage that locker room and the way that Harbaugh has been able to take that talent and maximize it most years. and this has been a down year. But sometimes when there's other things like you see as being undisciplined

or part of that is the types of players that you draft and part of it is the makeup of the locker room. And some coaches can manage that really effectively. And I think he's done that. And at a big degree, I think Mike Tomlin is very similar in that way. So it's the easy thing is to say, yeah, let's go get somebody new. But there's real value in what he's done. And this is a down year.

Kansas City's having a down year. Pittsburgh's having a down year. Do you get rid of them? I mean, 18 years is a lot. Like Andy Reed, I know they had really had a bad record when he got fired. But it was time for just a new voice. So I felt like going into this year that Harbaugh and Sean McDermott went into the year with a lot of pressure on it. I don't want to say a hot seat, but a lot of pressure on them.

If you have an MVP quarterback and you haven't broken through every year the pressure ratchets up, right? And so you're right, Andy, this is a disastrous year for everyone involved with the Chiefs. But the flip side is they've been to three consecutive Super Bowls and they've won two of the last three. So there's a lot of you have reason to believe that this is an outlier. The concern for Baltimore that I would have is this. Yes, this regular season feels like an outlier. But are we then going to bounce back a year from now of another good regular season

and then have a postseason that doesn't feel like an outlier? And then it's like, man, now Lamar is, you know, really nearing, if not at the end of his prime, because I don't know if he's going to play for quite as long. I would, I think something is up with the Lamar hard. ball relationship. Yeah. I think that the fact that he doesn't seem to have a real vibe on Lamar's health status,

historically, I think that there is to me always been a little Doth protest too much with the Lamar Jackson's going to be the greatest quarterback in the history of the league. Lamar like all of it, that it feels my sense has always been for some reason. Harbaugh doesn't feel 100% on sturdy ground with his quarterback. Again, that is ranked speculation by me, but I think informed by a lot of data points. I think this would be an opportunity, understandably, be like, listen, we're the Baltimore Ravens. We had the worst events in the league for the first eight weeks. Our quarterback went into an unfathomable slump for the middle five weeks.

We went seven and ten or eight and nine and missed the playoffs. If this job comes open, people that's like, hey, you want to coach. LaMare Jackson, you want to see if you, offensive genius, whomever, can get Lamar to the level he hasn't gotten to yet. I think it would be such an attractive job that you've got to consider it. Even if I think Harbaugh would get a good job elsewhere. Yeah, Jets have been looking for coach. But the Jets have never had a good quarterback coach.

They've had good coaches. Yeah. Let's head to the end of Brown's Titans. Cleveland down two with a minute left. Stephansky pulled Shador out of the game to run this ill-advised two-point conversion play that falls flat. Here's Shador on the call. That's the most important thing is the ball. So in any situation, of course you would want to, but I know we practice something and we executed in practice and we just didn't seem to this day.

So I would never, I would never go against, you know, kind of like what the call was or anything. Did it work in practice? No, we just called in the game and it didn't work in practice. I don't think you called plays in a game that didn't work in practice. Do you have an issue with taking Shador off the field at the end of the game? I have an issue with the whole thing. So here's the deal. There have been a lot of conspiracies floated around,

the Brown's handling of Shador Sanders. And this is where KW, you're going to, I hope you like this. You might hate it. Because you know a lot more about sports TV than me. This is where I like to drop a little Hanlon's razor. Oh. Ratings. I know you're going to say that.

I don't even know what that means. Do not attribute to malice. What can be explained by stupidity. Wow. Which means don't be like, oh my God, they're out to get me. Just maybe they just don't know what they're doing. It's on the board. And so here is the reason that I have such a problem with this.

Even coach if it marginally gave you a better chance, which obviously it's not like, oh, it was full proof, never failed. I mean, they weren't even on the same base. It ended up with the running back throwing a pass 40 yards across the field. He didn't even know he was right. So it's hard for me to believe they were like, this is 100%. Yeah, we got it. By the only way Kevin Stefansky could add to the unnecessary noise surrounding this team was by doing this.

That's the only way if you just have Shador out there and call a running play or literally any regular football play, then win, lose or draw, you don't have the added mess of all of the conspiratorial. He wants to see him fail. He never wanted him. It's at least dead for a week. And instead, you court that. And as an added, not bonus, negative, you court it for what ended up being one of the worst run plays of the season. Tough one.

And so that's just, he's obviously not a dumb guy, but that was an idiotic decision, coach. And I can't believe you don't agree with me. I don't want to add any facts to ruin the conspiracy or anything like that. But here's the reality of the situation. Here's what happened is they went for a two-point conversion earlier in the game that they didn't get. You all saw that, right? Yeah. What happened?

They were down 14. I know. What happened on the place? Oh, should or just snap. Yeah, fumbled the same. Shador. He fumbled it. Yes.

Wait, Shador fumbled it? Yes. On the two point? Yes. Oh, my God. That's crazy. Okay. So then this two point conversion, which is a wildcat play, which they've run consistently

since Shador has been playing. They've run this wildcat package. They've scored four touchdowns and an extra point. They've been running or practicing this play since August. It doesn't look like it. I agree. Okay. But that's what multiple players have said.

So it's a play that they've run several. times. It's a package which they've used extensively in the red zone with success. Shador fumbled the snap on the previous two point conversion, but for some reason, and this is a got to have it situation. So you want to run plays that you practice and got to have it situations and not let the emotion of the moment take you to some other play that you haven't practiced and run that. So I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt that this was their go-to play. It doesn't look like it. I get it, but I'm giving that benefit of doubt. And we can also say, you know, idiotic plays.

What if someone went for it on fourth and short from their own 35? That would be idiotic. That would be idiotic. That would be idiotic. What if they were an incredible, what if they were an incredible coach? But if Kevin had done that, it would be like, oh my God. Hold on. What if the guy took a shot on fourth down and threw it down the field to A.J. Brown, their best receiver.

Now, that would be dumb if it didn't work. But if it worked, it would be brave. It would be smart. It would be aggressive. You know, so it's... To me, it's all about what happens. So if it works, it's smart, it's interesting. It's innovative.

I think there is... You're making this a binary decision. If, because a lot of times, who is guilty of this? If it works, he likes it. If it doesn't work, he's like bad call. And that could be an argument for the Chiefs play on fourth and one.

but there's a third option looks insane so you have works doesn't work looks insane they went for the third option so I if you if it doesn't work sure let it not work conventionally and oh they stopped

us but this is the brown stopping themselves and I'm going to add one other thing for you go brew and I haven't reviewed the tape of all of it but I when you say this is they've gotten four touchdowns out of the wildcat I know the first two and an extra point okay so

and you're You can tell me if I'm wrong or maybe you don't know. Because I've seen at least three of those five. You know what they did? Snap the ball to Judkins? Right. And he ran. And he ran straight ahead.

I don't think any of those Wildcap plays involved double reverse pass action. So I think the formationally, it's been successful. This little fancy pant rinkle, I haven't seen be super successful. But I know you want to go. Well, first of all, I do think Stefansky is fortunate. And look, I've criticized Soudouer for some of the things he said and done in the locker and whatever. He's being, and I think it's just the kind of person he is.

He's being really kind in these press cards. Like he has said, like they asked him about it. And he doesn't have to rip the fansky for it to look back. Right now, whether he becomes a legitimate starting quarterback or not, after that game yesterday, particularly in Cleveland, he has all the juice. he could have went up there and when they asked him about that he could have just been like

no comment no way no hold on hold on or I'm just saying or he could have just been like y'all see I'm not going to say anything but y'all see what's happening

like he could have said no I know but my point is he didn't have to say yeah that was a bad call to make it look bad I'm just saying he could have And something like, hey, I don't make the, I don't make the play calls, but y'all see what's happening? And when someone hit him up with a follow-up question.

What happened the first two-point conversion play? No, that's fine. That's fine. But the dude scored four touchdowns yesterday in his third career start. He could bury Stefanski if he wanted to. And he's not. He's just being like, and I think he's sincere, he is saying, I would never go against Michael.

He said that. So I'm saying Stafansky is fortunate that Shador is not coming out in means a way. Hold on. I'm going to lose my mind here. Oh, do it. Kevin Sophansky screwed up multiple times. Because you know what? While you're bearing Shador for fumbling a snap,

you know what's available to you? And I do like the analytics. You know what's available to you when you score a touchdown when you're down 14 points? Kick it an extra point. You're allowed to do that. And you know what? Now, I totally understand down 14. You go for two.

I get the logic behind it. If you have reason to believe, you know what? Our two point bag isn't quite as deep as some other teams because we're starting a quarterback who I didn't trust more than Dylan Gavro barely trust more than who's the kid they brought back in. Was it the guy Zappie? Oh, yes. You know, right? Let me let's just kick. You could do that.

I 100% agree with you on that. Well, whose call is that? That's the fanskis. To me, though, that feels like it's an organizational thing. Like, they've gone all in on analytics, and it's like, oh, this is what it says. We're going to do this. I don't know if that's true,

but they had someone who was there for a long time that ran everything based off of analytics. Yeah. So I'm just saying, I don't know if Kevin was just like, you know what I want to do? I want to go for two here. Well, coach, I hear you on the Wildcat working for them throughout. I have, correct me if I'm wrong.

I haven't seen a coach who takes out his quarterback at the goal line as much as to Fansky. And it seems like he's done it almost every time with Shadour. Other than when he fumbled, and I get, you can say that. But obviously, he's not going to fumble the snap all the time. Like, that's bizarre to me, too. It is as if they always are taking the quarterback. This is the part of it that, to me, cannot be explained by an analytics chart or a fumble.

One, right or wrong, one of the reasons should always be. fell on the draft was teams don't like the extra noise. Yes. All of that stuff. So teams really do feel whether it's Tim Tebow 10 years ago or whomever, cap that the extra noise can be detrimental to the team. Every logical person knew by taking Shador off the field after he has executed a two-touchdown fourth quarter comeback, even if it works, you are adding to the noise.

And for, I, if you are. But you can't think about the noise while he's coaching. He was, he was not making a decision like, hmm, I wonder if this is going to add a noise. He made a decision. Now, I know this sounds crazy. His life is dependent on the success and failure of that team. It goes back to next earlier. He doesn't make decisions where he's like, I'm going to get that.

I want to really get the door here and take him out. It's like, no, I think we have a chance to win by running this play. Right, which is, goes to my point. which is, I don't think it's a grand conspiracy. And again, I am sure Kevin Stefansky is a really sharp guy. This year, in his play calling, in his press conferences, in his handling of the quarterback situation privately and publicly, he has done a lot of dumb things and done a lot of things that are,

they appear to be so illogical or stupid that, that they are being attributed to a grand conspiracy. It's never a good sign if you are just simply doing what you think is smart, and everyone's like, there's a puppet master behind the scenes making them do this because you'd be a madman to act like this. This is also the organization that has Deshaun Watson about to come off IR. Yes. Put that in this equation for whatever it's worth.

Correct. Are the pills the team with the best Super Bowl odds in the AFC? No, but should they? They actually are the team. No, in the Super Bowl odds in the A&S. Oh, gosh darn it, but not in the AFC itself. Oddly. Sunday, the Raiders are taking on Jalen Hertz.

He's playing tonight. And then at 4 o'clock, Lions versus Rams. I can't get enough of this Stafford revenge game. It's always a revenge game for somebody. I've been holding a take on this. Did you know that? I can't wait to hear it. I've been holding the take that if Stafford gets back to the Super Bowl,

we have to re-look at that trade yet again. What do you mean? If Stafford gets back, they've already won the trade. I know, but then we're like, well, actually, the Detroit is coming back. Nobody? Have they won a Super Bowl that we don't know about? Bill's host of the Bengals in a snow game.

Heat it up once Joe Barrow went ice cold. It's been a consistent theme. Did you know this? Those get hot in the second half. I think that DB was making a business decision, number 20 coaches. Wow. That was pretty weak. I don't think it was the greatest effort.

If we can show that again to get over that block. It's like 20. What? Do it as read. 20 yards away. He's saying about a guy making a business. I'm just, I was wondering what coach. If coach agreed with me.

We're going to see. We're about to see. Here are the odds to win the AFC. It's not out to me. Patriots and Broncos are tied for. First, that's because they have the most wins. Call me crazy. I'm old school, you know?

I like wins. Then it's the bills, the Texans, the Jags, and the Chargers. Should the bills be AFC Faddy? Yes. And you're right, Wilds. That conference odds are heavily influenced by record. Yeah. But only until we find out who gets the buy.

So right now, So that Buffalo, by the way, has better odds to win the whole Super Bowl than either of those teams. But having the buy is such an edge where you just miss an opportunity to lose a game. Yeah, that makes sense. So which I guarantee you, if Josh Allen's healthy, whichever Broncos Patriots don't have the buy, the bills have better odds than immediately. And I have thought all year long that the bills needed to accept. We don't have the roster where dominant defense, great running game, Josh make two or three plays a game.

Not going to be good enough. You don't have enough talent to do that. What you do have is an awesome running game and what will be far and away, the most experienced, the best combination of talent and experience of any quarterback in the AFC playoff field, assuming Mahomes doesn't get in. And so, and the only quarterback that will make the field that's playing anywhere close to his level is Drake May, but it's one guy who's been in the playoffs six years in a row versus a guy in his first playoff start. That's enough to make them the favorites to me.

And I know like, KW, you have thought the bills are a fine team. Fine, yeah. Fine. Maybe even below five. Right. I mean, I went, we got in quite the fight this morning, Brew. on the call. Because I did something really mean, coach,

made up something from whole cloth that I objected to. Thank you, Brew. I mean, Bruce, here's what I did that was really mean. He might play it. I repeated Wild's takes back to him. And he was like, I never said they were the Titans. I'm like, we know you didn't say they were the Titans.

Did you repeatedly say, I'm not scared of the bills? Did you repeatedly say the bills are not good? And the answer... They stink. You said they stink I was saying that was your 10. And I tried to be a good guy. No, that's not what happened.

You said the bills do stink. And then you were like, here's their stats. And I'm only going to show you the things they're bad at. What do you want me to show? Well, I mean, it's the awesome stuff. So my question is like to you, how would you power rank the teams in likelihood of winning the conference?

And going to the Super Bowl. Yeah, obviously you're going to have the Patriots 1. Patriots 1. Texans, 2, Broncos 3, Bill's 4. Okay. Wow.

I like defense. And I like the fact that the Patriots are a balanced team. Any part of our team can maybe not show up. I think you have to sort of, we have an insurance policy. If special teams doesn't do well, the defense and offense. It'd be great if all three phases played were humming at perfect level. But there's safety nets there. If Josh doesn't play amazing, it's very hard for the bills to win a game.

And Josh occasionally, when he has to play amazing, does a little bit too much. Then the ball starts to be turned over and there's a path to victory. That's why I'm not scared of the bills. Coach? I just think if anybody had said, hey, we're going to take Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes. and Joe Burrow off the board. And the only one that's left standing is Josh Allen in the playoffs. Who do you got?

Him or the field. I think most people would easily take him. And I agree with you, Kevin, that he has the superhero mode. And it's not always sustainable. But it's a problem for any one of those other teams because if you get him on that day or he gets into a little bit of a run, and he's just different from everybody else right now. Like I said earlier, I think whoever wins this next game between the Bills and the Patriots should be the favorite in the FACC.

Here would be my counter to you just very quickly. Because of the superhero mode, you're right, they can lose a game. He can implode. Yes. But any of those teams you have ahead of them can play their best and still lose if Josh is clicking. If Josh is humming, he can beat any of those. teams at their best because their best to me has a ceiling the bills offensive ceiling the bill's offense clears none of those teams none of those teams can beat the bills if

alan's playing his best i don't know i think the texans i bill's game was such a lopsided route yes and despite that and despite that they had the ball the 17 yard line on first and 10 to win that's exactly right the texan jay jay jay They played perfect. They also didn't have their starting quarterback. No, but hold on. But you just, but you just, I think. Well, you know what I'm saying?

Give the guy, can we have their starting quarterback? No, that's fine, but you called the game a route because in our mind when a defensive team is crushing, like the Texans routed the bills. And the bills had the ball on the 17-yard line down less than a touchdown. That's the point I'm making. You're right. They weren't whole, but it was that that was as perfect as the Texan Stevens can play. The very rare close route. It was, though.

But that was it. Yeah, it feels like a route. It feels like a round. And all of a sudden, there's one play away from the worst. Right. Live from New York. To show it's a little on edge today, but it's handled it okay. Be honest with you.

Who hasn't handled it great? I said, no, you did okay. I said okay. I think I've handled. I think Brew, you've been A plus as always. Thank you. Brew really. If the Chiefs won, Drew would be on tilt.

Honestly, it does make it a little easier. You can't sell it, right? The Ravens one means Danny's okay. It's all. Right. I'm not doing as bad as this guy. It's complicated. First thing's first.

Overtime today, the Bears lose. Did they lose their Super Bowl contender status? We discussed. Meanwhile, how dangerous is this version? of the bills. This was a sick play. Come on, just turn around, have it hit your helmet. But right now, well, we're headed to Kansas City again. Leonardo DiCaprio was there, I just heard.

Kansas City might be done. Offensive line was banged up, got more injured during the game. Texans defense swarmed Malmes. He had one of the worst games of his career. Ten points is the lowest in an arrowhead start for him. Here he is post game. We know the chances are getting lower and lower, but I know the guys on this team are going to give everything

they have every opportunity we get. I'm going to go to those guys in big moments. Those guys have made play. and the Super Bowls, they've made plays and the FC championship gains. So obviously, it didn't go our way today. I have a lot to do with that myself. And so we're all, we'll go back. And like I said, regardless of what happens,

the rest of this season, we'll give everything we have every snap and give ourselves the best chance to go out there and make a run. Danny is the chief season over. Yes. You're like, what a guy. Passed rating of 19.8. I said, the whole always always. says the right thing.

If he had thrown for 400 yards, Nick knows he would have said the same thing, hey, I got to make some better players. He sounded very similar to his press number to tap to the Cowboys game, where he was four touchdown zero picks, but they lost. But you are right.

It's fine. 19 pass-or-raders. It was a hilarious off like that said. No, listen, the season is over. I thought it was over after the Thanksgiving loss because I find it very hard to believe that a team that can go two-thirds or more through a season,

of winning one, losing one, which is what they are. They're 500 team that they can all of a sudden go on a run. It's obviously possible. They have the pedigree, but it's just every. Wait, is it possible or is it not possible? Listen, the math says it's possible. Do you think it's possible? No.

You don't think they could win out. What have they shown this year to make me believe that that's going to happen? Well, one, the schedule. I mean, the Titans. They lost for the Chargers. They lost to the Brown. Okay, you think the charge, I'm just saying it's not easy to sweep a team in your own division. So I'm not convinced the charges are going to do that.

And then Denver beat them by three points. This is just meant it's not like it was a route. They, they, the dynasty is not over. They will be one of the preseason favorites next year. But this year, you've talked about it all year. Everything's going wrong for them. That's all true. Okay.

So why would I, I'm just saying, the fact that you don't think they can win out? Here's the thing. Against that schedule? You know how? So I have, I am very sad today. Okay. And they, no, I am very sad today. And they have not been a good team all year. It's just flatly true.

They have, winning is a skill contrary to what a lot of folks will tell you over the quarter of that small sample size. This guy who never wins anything is actually an all-time great, which I think we've heard multiple times. I don't buy that. Winning's a skill. This team has not shown that skill. this year. But you know how you said

the other day, like, you wait all day for this? Yeah. I have been waiting all day for this moment. I can't wait. Let's do it. Because I knew you were going to say the chiefs are dead. They are. So now I just have a question for you. Do you think they can win against the Chargers? Yes. Okay. Well, then

show me the Chargers schedule because then it actually becomes a Chargers. That's where I want to hear for you. Their schedule is a nice. Because if you, because if you, If you believe, I, I, the, the, the, the chargers need to. If we assume for a moment the chiefs, if they can beat the Chargers, I think we all think they're going to be the Titans and the Raiders. Yes.

Correct. Okay. Right? I think even if you would say, they're going to beat the Titans. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Are you not at all concerned that a Chargers collapse is coming? Because it becomes very binary.

The Chiefs have to go on a run. Yes. But a quarter of the run is the Chargers team. And the Chargers have to collapse, but a quarter of the theoretical collapse is the Chiefs game. Right. And so the way the Chiefs get in is if they go 4 and 0, and the Chargers either go 1 and 4 or 2 and 3 with the losses to Kansas City and Denver. Yeah, no, I can. You don't think why I don't know if the audience knows.

Joe Hall is not playing. Do you? Joe Al not playing. O'Rion Hampton. You're not at all concerned about that? Here's why I'm not, Nick, and I'm glad you brought it up. Because I remember all year when we've talked about Justin Herbert, and I wasn't going to do this today. I was going to just try to be consoling to my friends.

But I was prepared in case, in case he went this way. You've said, just figure it out. No more excuses. If you're great. If you're a future Hall of Famer, if you're this elite talent, just get it done, figure it out. And even earlier today, you said Mahomes was better than the stat line because your eye test told you. Well, who has actually been better this year when things have gone poorly? Patrick Mahomes or Justin Herbert.

Maybe Herbert. What do you mean maybe Herbert? I mean maybe Herbert. We can show you. Let's see. Yeah, what a... When you're pressured 10 or more times, Herbert has a winning record. Mahomes is 2 and 7.

He was pressured 12 times last night. Patrick Mahomes' passer rating was a robust 6.3 on his pressures with 40 passing yards and a pick. When his receivers have two or more drops, Justin Herbert has a winning record. Patrick Mahomes is 2 and 5. When your defense allows 20 points or more, Herbert's overcome it to a 500 record. and Mahomes has a losing record of 2 and 7. So if we want to make this a Chiefs Chargers thing, this year, Herbert has dealt with more adversity than Mahomes,

has performed better with that adversity, has beat Mahomes head-to-head, and their team has a better record. So, yeah, down the stretch, I expect the Chargers to be better than the Chiefs. The Chargers need to, if the charges go two to, two in three, and the Chiefs went out, the Chiefs are in. or it has to be a specific. Well, the two and three, if they go two and three, and one of the losses is to Denver,

then the chiefs are in if they went out. Okay. But if they go two and three and the Broncos win, then they're out. But they're also, you're also doing it. Well, you want to respond to that first? No, go ahead. Well, like, you know that it's the gambler in me and the any given Sunday in me.

When you say, like, can they beat the chart? Of course they can, right? Like, the bears are a seven-point favorite against Cleveland. The best and the worst in the NFL. The gap is not that big. It's not college for ball. But if you're going to bring up the point spread part, then what you're saying is because the chiefs aren't a underdog against the

Chargers. They're a favorite against the Chargers. That's not what I'm saying. This year, the Chiefs against good teams, against playoff teams have been awful. Yeah, I agree with all of that. And I think the Chiefs are in dire shape. I said three weeks ago that they needed to get

to 11 wins and they now mathematically cannot. What I am allowing four is basically two things. One is that at Arrowhead, the Chiefs can beat the Denver Broncos and that the Los Angeles Chargers can collapse because the Los Angeles Chargers that I have known my entire life have found ways to collapse. And I think that we can be very, very bravado about the 8 and 4 chargers right now when we're

here tomorrow and they're 8 and 5 and they're staring down. a game with the Chiefs where it's like, wait a minute. The Dead in the Water Chiefs would be a game away from being seven and six and the Chargers having this magical season, or seven and seven, pardon me, from being eight and six, be a little nervous. That's all I'm saying. Danny, I'll get a little nervous.

If you guys beat Philadelphia tonight, I'll think the Chiefs were done. Because that will tell me you guys aren't about to collapse. But if you, you, very good chance you lose tonight. Chiefs can beat. It's the hardest schedule in football down the strike. It's a tough schedule, man. It is. But the Chiefs needed to beat Dallas and lost.

They needed to beat Denver and lost. They needed to beat Houston and lost. And one game it was penalties, and one game it was dropped. And now it's coaching. And sometimes it's my homes. This year, they've not been a good team. They don't have it. Just this year.

No, I agree with all of that. I also think they can beat the charges on Sunday. I mean, I also think that. I just think that. They can. It's football. Let's like a little Bears Packers. We're going to go right to the end of the game.

Fourth and one, Bears down a touchdown. Caleb rolls out. Oh, this guy open. No. He was open. Bears broke from the first seed to the seven seed. Here's Caleb and Micah. Take a listen.

It's frustration just because, you know, we shot ourselves in the foot. I think more than anything. And so, you know, I think that's where the frustration comes from. Michael, what's it like chasing around Caleb Williams for four quarters? I'm not going to lie. Mad annoying. Mad annoying. Like, I won't even hold back.

I mean, when someone's just running boot and running all game, like, there's no fun for rushers. But I'm not going to lie. I'm going to get them. You're not writing off the bears as contenders, are you? No. Listen, the first half of that game was very frustrating. They got dominated. They got thoroughly.

outplayed in the first half. I think a million things that could go wrong, went wrong. Jordan Love was great. Christian Watson and Ree, they, they, Kyler Gordon got hurt before the game. The Bears' second best corner, so they dressed him, then he got hurt, couldn't play. Million things went wrong and the Packers blitzed them, metaphorically and literally. And then in the second half, Caleb and the Bears dominated the Packers and got right back into that game. And I know this is a little bit of an other than that, and this is Lincoln. how was the play thing. But Caleb in the second half was spectacular.

That throw to Zekees that you just saw. This is the, these are the stats of it here. 13 of 20, 164 yards to get out of here with this graphic. What do you mean? Well, I mean, the only, the difference is it becomes 13 to 21 pass a rating. The interceptions was the last pass. Hold on.

It's a game ceiling interception. Caleb, and I will say this very clearly, Caleb, needs to make that throw. There have been too many times all year where it's been schemed open and Caleb has seen it too late and missed the throw. Because that was a great play call where Komet was open and Kailen was open right away.

That is on and it's tough to throw quick when you're rolling left and you're a right handed quarterback. So it feels like DJ Moore is pretty open. Yeah, I know they said that Swift and Komet are like the more primary reads there and Moore's a release. So like, so yes, but if you would have held on to it But they dominated the Eagles. They were going to go for two, Ben Johnson said today, if they complete that pass.

So like they were, they were very, they were very close. They were very close in a game against Green Bay, who you think is a Super Bowl. Brew, you said all the season, the Bears don't got it. They're Detroit's way better. Green Bay is way better. Do you still think they're not in Green Bay's class after you watched that game yesterday? I think Green Bay, the Rams and Philly are the upper echelon. of the NFC.

The Bears just dominated Philly and were in. They are legit. They have proven something to me the last two weeks. And I agree with you. Caleb was great in that second half other than the interception. I get that. But now he's just got to get rid right. It was like, man, just roll him out every time.

Because that's when he's at his best. Well, they started doing a play action basically every time. Yeah. But I think they're a very good team. They are better than I thought they were. No question about it. And you're right. I mean, they lost by a touchdown.

So there, I think they are a legit concern. They're better than Tampa Bay. They're not just cute. They're legitimate. They went into this game as the one seed. I feel like you have. Yeah, but it was in Green Bay. They were touchdown.

They were, I don't understand your visible frustration. You think they were supposed to win? They were touchdown underdogs on the road. This is a little bit of the, I don't have a name for this. Maybe, and I'm so good at trademarks and stuff. I'm surprised I don't have it. If you came out more harsh to the Bears, I think you would believe in the Bears more. But the fact that you were okay going 12 rounds in losing, you're like, man, that's great.

Let's go to the club. I like, I will. I wish you were like, man, we are the best team in the NFC. I like that. We had him on the ropes. The quarterback is the number one. He's a franchise changer, and he lost the game. this is un-exam, like, you're like, oh, man, we,

it's, it might be big, so part, right, part of that is totally fair, and it's, so I remember watching football in 1992. It's Brett Farr's first year with the Packers. The Bears are 16 and 52 against the Packers. Now, after that, oh, so 16 and 52, they've been dominated. So, yes, some of that is the scar tissue. But also, if the Bears beat the Browns,

they will play the Packers in two weeks on Fox, on Saturday night, to that primetime window for first place in the division. There you go. Like they get them again in 13 days and that did not seem like some sort of lopsided thing. And look, I mean, they lost the first two games of the year. They won nine out of 10 and then lost on the last play of the game to Bruce Super Bowl pick. Like they acquitted themselves well in that game, well in this stretch, well against Philly. Like I'm, they were within 20 total.

yards in the game. Each team was sacked once. Each team had one turnover. 17 first downs to 21 first. It was an even game. They played them to yeah. I mean, I think you they played them to a metaphorical draw like as far as the where the game comes down it comes down to two place. The what you know, if that's not picked then it's going to come down to the two point conversion. So like and so I wouldn't be you know crestfallen about it especially because they get to play them again. in two weeks. In Chicago.

I think you are way more into teams' current seating than I think the standings dictate. Like, the fact that you could be the one seed, lose one game and become the seventh seed, to me makes the, like, the importance of going into a game your seating, shakeier. You know what I mean? Like, they are all, it's all that. Because all, if the Packers had lost. I mean, all the teams are close. And so, I mean, your team went into the weekend the one seed did not play and is no longer the one seed.

So like there is. I'm furious about it. Obviously. Yeah. And so I didn't, I don't think anybody looked at, Danny included, going into this weekend, like, well, the bears must be the best team in the NFC because they are currently the one seat. Here's what I, I'll pull back the curtain. I thought Danny and I, who was new to the show, had a little bit of bonding. Little 1985 Super Bowl were both one seeds.

I really believe that we are the best team in the AFC. But you're not the one seed. Shockingly. You said both one seeds. You're not the one seed. We were. We were two. 24 hours ago.

Yes, they were the bears. You were saying to say it with his chest like you are. You got a doorstep of destiny. What do you have for the bears? Well, you know what I have? I don't have a bunch of state. In the second half. Yeah.

They were close. He was good. Yeah. Yeah. No, but outside. Hold on. I'm losing the interception. In the second.

In the second half. And Nick, I want to hear, hold on. Because you kill quarterbacks. You kill quarterbacks for ending the game with what? An interception. This is an old. I've heard three times he killed Brock Purdy for that. Yeah.

So kill him. Three times. All right. I'll do that in one second. What I will say is, because this is something I don't know that you know about Wilds, while you are having a very reasoned, this is the divisional rival, get a split, we'll be fine, whatever it is. KW is about to do a whole week of shows about how he not only expects his team to lose to the bills, hopes they do. I'm kicking around.

I'm kicking it around. I want them to lose. I want the bills to give us a game. That's the way you avoid coming out in a stretch. But to answer your question, Brew, and I understand it seems minute, I do not consider them Super Bowl contenders because of that pass. Really? Yes.

Well, they are. Because I do not think Caleb is yet is going to be able to string together three consecutive high performance games. And the thing, the bears, while the run. game is excellent. I think Caleb has flashes of holy. Right. In that game, in that game, he had four passes that it's like unbelievable. So I'm

not like killing Caleb. But I think the defense is flimsy enough that if you can't get three straight rounds of high, high level quarterback play, you're not coming out of the conference. And so my answer is

I'm not ready to write off the Bears as like a good team. Can beat anyone in the playoffs. But if I were power ranking, pick the NFC Super Bowl, you know, representative, I think I'd list six teams before I got to Chicago because of that. Six of the NFC? Yeah, well, the only NFC teams to represent the NFC, but yeah, that's who it would be. Tampa Bay would be. Standings, because they're ranked seven.

No, I mean, I wouldn't be the standards. I'm the guy that's unacceptable. I get a 16. No, but, like, I think I might pick Detroit's eighth. I think I might have Detroit. Would you pick San Francisco in front of them? Is Mack Jones playing? Then maybe.

I lay it myself with any reason why a Bears fan might feel differently about success than a Patriots fan. I just can't think of a reason. You got to let that go. You do too, buddy. The opposite. It's the opposite. Dynasty's in our DNA. This is a great moment.

The way you're annoyed by his scar tissue. you. We're annoyed by your unearned arrogance about this year's Patriots. It's the same thing. Tread lightly. Why? Because there's only one person on this desk who needs to say goodbye to their destiny. Shoot, Dynasty!

Screwed up the gosh darned doorstep with Destiny. Messed it up. Hobbs, edit that out. Meanwhile, Packers are not at the top of the NFC North. Jordan Love had three touchdowns. The words are so close. They are close.

And you got it right 10 straight times. Dynast, the dynasty. When you were practicing it. Jordan Love had three touchdowns. Matt LaFlor got the win over Ben Johnson, who relished his victories over the Packers coach when he was introduced in Chicago. Danny, are you ready to admit the Packers?

Can win the Super Bowl. You did a tepid apology there to the Bears. So I guess I'll do this. Yeah, they can win the Super Bowl. Yeah, that's fine. I'll admit it. I'll take that. I'm not.

You didn't think they made the playoffs. Now they're doing the truth. I did it. Listen, the version of Jordan Love, the Thanksgiving version of him and that game is the type of player. I've always said he's talented. I've always said he reminds me a little too much of Aaron Rogers where it's annoying. Great arm talent, great ball fake. Like, like holds the ball low.

Like, yeah, he looks like he was trained by Aaron Rogers. Well, wear wireless headphones. Oh, that's your quarterback. That's my quarterback. That's the story. for off air. But I've always said he's talented and streaky. And he's on a really good run right now.

And so it feels like you can, if you can get a hot streak with that defense, you can win three or four games and win the Super Bowl. So yeah, listen, if you can beat the juggernaut one seed bears, you can win the Super Bowl. Sure, exactly. Getting his receivers back has helped, two of his best receivers, if not his best with Christian Watson. The run game is improved now that the receiver.

receivers are better. So, yeah, they're right there. I appreciate you. I'll give you a yeah. Yeah, and I think that the, when we head into the NFC playoffs, it'll be between the Packers defense and the Seahawks defense as far as the defense I trust the most. And that, and that then makes it to where I don't think they need three straight, great Jordan love games.

And so that to me is the big distinction. Like the Rams defense is, by the way, excellent as well. But I don't think quite the level of Seattle and Green Bay. Jordan's picks are really unsightly, but he doesn't throw a lot of them. And I've got to give him credit. Like the pick he threw in this game was ridiculous, but he was great otherwise. And so that plus the Micah Pass Rush whole thing is really scared. See him in Chicago in two weeks.

and bruise ballot, maybe. Ooh. Them in Chicago in two weeks is the biggest game the Bears have played in a very, very long time. Did Aaron Rogers silence his critics? We discussed next on overtime. Welcome back yesterday. The Steelers pulled off the upset in one of the great rivalries and now are atop the AFC North after a week of speculation that Mike Tomlin was on the outs.

Aaron Rogers was placing blame on teammates. There was drama in Pittsburgh and they're not used to that sort of thing. The Steelers got the best of the Ravens, 2722. Here was a defiant Aaron Rogers after the game. I really felt the rivalry today and how much it means to both teams and the fans. What does it mean to get a win like this after the week that you ever had and the league that kind of my tall was out to? Means maybe you guys will shut the hell up for a week.

Willie, that's your coach. That's your former team. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Have the critics been silenced? Well, listen, man, in Pittsburgh, we used to have a saying, you're either thriving or surviving. They survived. They survived another week. When you turn on the tape, the defense didn't look good.

Baltimore did pretty much anything they wanted to. They ran the ball down their throats. However, you needed to see some things in the offense, right? You needed to see Aaron and D.K. connect again on the deep ball. That happened. You needed to see them look poised and confident under pressure. That happened. In the fourth quarter, it was solely Aaron Rogers, being who he's normally been his whole career.

He's been him and he delivered. So those are the things I take away from it, but there's still issues, man. The defense has to be better. It wasn't. They had some significant injuries. You talk about Mount Washington getting hurt, Harrison got hurt, Keanu-Kiano Benson, they've started to tackle. He got dinged. So they survived another week.

And I will see what happens Monday Night gets the dolphins. Yeah, I don't know if you're walking around with your chest out after this victory. It was a good win, an important win, and obviously puts them first in the division. but Isaiah likely's ruling could have gone the other way, and we could be talking about a totally different outcome. And at first I thought this was a little bit about Mike Tomlin, where he was saying, hey, everybody's shut up, about all the noise. But it's really, I think, just about the noise related to Aaron.

So Aaron ended up having four passes over 30 yards, which he hadn't done the whole month in November, plus he had another two over 20. So I think it was more Aaron being about Aaron, as usual, and telling everybody, hopefully he'll be. be quiet about me where initially when I heard I thought, oh, that's good. He's defending the whole group.

Yeah, I thought, I mean, that's feels like maybe a slightly harsh read on the situation. I took it as he was defending his coach. Because Tomlin, Tomlin's name was included in the question. But either way, I'm with you because the criticism of Tomlin

had boiled over to a, like in the regular season, they're chanting Fire his name, but it's also about winning in the playoffs. That he's won, you know, O-N-1 in five straight playoffs. There's one and done. He's lost six straight playoffs. Games hasn't won since 2016.

So I don't think he quiets the critics until he wins and advances in January. Like I don't think one regular season win silences everything. Well, no, I mean, they were talking about his competency as a head coach because he signed off on a lot of guys on his coaching staff, like Terrell Austin, the defensive coordinator. And you have an elite defense or so-called elite defense that you pay a boatload of money to. They haven't been yet to carry this team in any. fashion. So I think a lot was talked about him and his decision making from personnel standpoint. Like, you want to Ann Rogers? We gave you an Rogen Rogers. You wanted some elite defenders? We signed them all. Do something and nothing came from it. So this was to me about Mike Tom.

Yeah, so there's that component of it. And then the Rogers piece just from the game, those were awesome throws. Those were just like throwback, vintage, haven't seen it all year. I thought I was watching replays. And I was like, oh, no, that's a. another deep ball to D.K. Metcalf? If that had happened all year long, I'd be like, oh, man, this team can be dangerous. But there's just nothing consistent about this team, offensively or defensively, that my guess is they lose to Miami. Don't even stop.

I'm just saying. I feel like that's a trap game. That's my vibe. Well, I just don't think they're good enough where any game you can pencil in a win for them. Well, I can't remember the exact numbers, but the rushing discrepancy was ridiculous, right? Wasn't it 200 plus 34? Yeah. 34. Yeah, the Ravens went for over 200.

Which is amazing. It's amazing that those are the numbers and they lost. And Steelers are what, 28th in total defense. And it's Tomlin, it's how much the defense was paid. And then Tomlin's comments about this has a chance to be a historically good defense. I'm sure he'd love to have that comment back. I don't see, I don't. I disagree. I think he believes that. I think he realizes there's in-house issues he can't fix until the off season.

I do believe he has that type of confidence. But wouldn't you think he would make a move with the defensive coordinator if he really believed, hey, we have a historic, a chance to be historic in Pittsburgh. This isn't like historic for another. This is a historic. I think part of he's a defensive-minded coach. So I think he can plug some of them holes if the D.C. is not, you know, competent enough. Might want to start soon. No time like the present.

Do we have the video of Mike Tomlin, like, blowing the kiss to the camera after the game? Well, it just, I caught the kiss. Did you? Did you? Did you? I bet you did. You thought he was doing it to you through the screen? It was just like, it was like, wow, they are, look it.

They are kind of here. They're hearing the noise. Like in Pittsburgh, it's just, it's never that. It's never drama, distraction, or if it is, it's not a problem, even like in Antonio Brown days. But this, it, Rogers's comments, that it felt like they all heard it and they took like an us against the world. Well, there's a lot of former Steelers players coming out.

That Rafflesberger talking. negative things, which is pretty unheard of for that organization. Oh, boy. Yeah, because you're catching kisses. Yeah, and wants to get invited back to alumni weekend. On the other side of the ball, Ravens on the losing end was a huge story as well. They fell short trying to bounce back. 219 yards, two touchdowns, and the interception by Lamar.

Here is a not at the podium, still in uniform, kind of a weird situation for a postgame press conference for a quarterback. Here's Lamar after the game. We still got, what, how many games left? Like four or five, four games left. You know, we still turn it around, I believe. You know, there's loss to a, like I said, division of opponent. It's a tough loss at that because I felt like we could have put more puns on the board, you know. But unfortunately we didn't.

And time ran out and those guys do what they were supposed to do. Coach, I know it's not in your nature, but panic time for the Ravens? Yeah. I mean, it's been panic time most of the season. They started out with high expectations, and then they failed to meet those, and not only they failed to meet them, but they dug a huge hole, then they started to dig their way out. And everybody expected that as they were digging it out, Lamar would be a big part of why they dug their way out. But that hasn't happened. And to me, that's the panic component of this, as Lamar is not playing very well.

I think this is like five games in a row where he's been under 50 or under 60% complete. and just collectively his numbers, touchdowns, the interceptions hasn't been very good, his overall quarterback rating. It's, it's, you keep waiting for Lamar from last year to show up and he hasn't shown up. And now they go into these final, this final run with Sincere New England, Green Bay, and Pittsburgh. That's not an easy final four games to dig your way out of this hole. Yeah, and Willie, I'm just going to jump in because you mentioned the, well, you mentioned the five games and we have some, some stats or graphics to back it up. That's the jarring thing to me.

I don't know what I'm watching. Is he hurt? Okay, this is since week 10. Because he came back from the injury, he had the four touchdown game against Miami. Then since week 10, he is the third worst passer rating of qualified passes in the league. Look at the company he's keeping. J.J. McCarthy, Tyrod Taylor, Kirk Cousins, Joe Flackle, Lamar Jackson. Like, which one of these doesn't belong?

Then if we just go to stats beyond passer rating, 36 guys qualify in terms of we've thrown at least 50 past attempts in the last five games. Those are his ranks among the 36 passers. 32nd, 34, 31st, 36th. I'm sure some of it is injury. But if you're out there playing, there's no excuses. That's what all of you guys tell me for forever. I don't know what I'm seeing with this version of Lamar Jackson. Yeah, it's tough, man, because first of all, I don't think it's time to panic, but this is part of the movie where the music is tense, solely because the way the division is shaped up, and I don't know what Pittsburgh is doing.

We just know they're surviving week after week. But I also think we're watching a gimpy Lamar Jackson playing with a lot of things on his shoulders and head. Because there's times during that game. We're like, all right, he scrambles out of pocket. We're going to see him run for 40 yards. Then he gets a sack. And then you see him do things that's not Lamar-esque.

And I'm saying to myself, all right, he's telling us he's healthy. He's telling us that he's okay. But then you're reading the headlines. He's missing two to three practices a week. He's not the same guy. You just showed the stats that clearly show. He's not the former MVP that we knew him to be. And believe it, he has everything.

Zay Flowers is on the field, Mark Andrews on the field. Like he has his weapons around him. Derek Henry, likely. Everybody's there to go get it done, and they're just simply not getting done. And you're talking about the defense also, man. They're giving up 24 points a game. They're not helping them out. So there's a lot there's a lot there right now.

But Lamar, I think there's a big question of Mark around his head, like who is he and what happened to the MVP? And you think with them rushing for over 200 yards last game, that would play into even, even, even, with him not being at 100% that should give him enough firepower to produce more points than he did.

Listen, Bruce says it all the time. The saving grace here is the AFC North. They lost to Pittsburgh. They always play each other real tough. So, okay, they just lost serve there. You get them again in a couple of weeks. You can get right back on top. You get in the playoffs. Anything can happen. So sure, the division is

their path to salvation. But if their quarterback isn't right, they're not winning anything of substance. And I think coach hit it right on the head. Like the run game is usually a stabilizer. They ran the ball well yesterday and they're still lost. Massive day in the NFL yesterday. Josh Allen outduled Joe Burrow, the statement he sent.

And a couple of huge stories with quarterbacks on other teams. No longer in rebuild mode. It's all coming up. First thing's first. Snow game footage. It's great. Bill's hosted the Bengals. While it was looking like it was Joe Burroughs game and the Bengals won for the taking.

But then back-to-back interceptions by Burrow, 284 yards, four touchdowns, a couple of picks for him, 251 and four touchdowns from Josh Allen. Looking for a biggest statement here, gentlemen, and the bills were my Super Bowl team, so I'll go first, and I'll just say, Josh Allen is that dude. He's him.

He just, he leads the NFL in four touchdown games since 2021, and he's tied for the league lead this year. He is just the most instant offense player It's not that their offensive line isn't great. It's not that James Cook isn't great. And I actually think their pass catchers are a little underrated. But he is so good that he just, I really do think you could put him on any team and their offense is immediately above average.

He's one of the best players in the entire league. Yeah, I feel like Josh Allen and the bill was left a big cat on New Orleans doorstep that said, we're coming. Like this game, when he's to your point, 28, 18, fourth quarter, and he goes, hold my beer. and you watch him just turn it up another notch. He's decisive. He was mature. He didn't force throws.

He didn't do anything reckless. He just simply commanded the game. And I'm saying to myself, even with the James Cook fumble, they came out on top and they look dominant. You know what I mean? So I don't think the division is a wrap. I know everybody's, you know, praising the paths. But Buffalo, I think they're coming, man.

This was a signature win. Yeah, when he's Superman, it's really good. And this game, what was it? Two touchdowns on fourth down. Mm-hmm. And they scored 21 points in four minutes of game. time. Yeah, those are two incredible plays. Then he has the 40-yard scramble for a touchdown. Then he's got the play on third and 15 to seal it. He rushes for 17 yards. So when he's in

that mode, there's very few players that are better than him. It's the question of whether or not he can consistently be in that mode throughout the course of the playoffs. One thing I don't love this year that's happening quite a bit more is sacks. So he's getting sacked about 7% of the time, which is similar to his second year in the league, a lot higher than it's been. The turnover is up a little bit more. So it's it's it's very, very good. I just wonder can he be him consistently throughout the playoffs? Let's go to Cleveland where Brown's head coach Kevin Stefanski announced today that

Shador Sanders will be the starting quarterback for the rest of the season. Must have been a tough call between him and Dylan Gabriel. Despite the loss, Shadour aired out 364 yards, three touchdowns, plus the one on the ground. Did have the interception. Willie, a couple of weeks back, you said Chador was the one. What was your biggest takeaway from Shador's big day? I needed to not be silly and listen to Willie. Put it on a t-shirt.

For me, this game, this was a separator, right? I thought he really looked like somebody who wasn't just happy to play quarterback in the NFL. He looked like a ball player playing in the NFL. I thought his poise, his decision-making, his delivery at times when he felt like he needed to take over and make a play, he did so. And I think he erased a question around the NFL. draft time. They don't have to look for a quarterback right now because they got one of Shador Sanders. So I love everything about it. I'm happy you had a big day. I wish I had my watch. I could give it to you. Wow. Really? You're way ahead of the curve on this one.

I just prove you wrong next week. Okay. I mean, I just want to be sure I understand. So like, if they have a top three pick, if Mendoza's there, no thank you, we're rolling with Shudor Sanders. I'm saying what should do it. Okay. If you build an offense around who he is and what he's capable of doing? Listen, I thought Chador had some very nice throws. He was better than I expected him to be at any point this year. I thought the stats were maybe a little bit better than it actually was. Like there was a lot of yak in that game.

Judkins, Judy, a few of them. The throw to Injoku was great. Throw to Fanon was great. He had some very, very nice moments. I still think most likely he's in a quarterback battle next year with Deshawn Watson and a drafted quarterback. I also think it's a little ridiculous to anoint him. as arrived after he lost to the worst team in football.

Just seems a little silly. Yeah, he's over his three games, it's 52% completion. He's got an 80 quarterback rating. It's 80.9. Dylan Gabriel was 80.8. And he did make a lot of good decisions in the game. He did. He was good.

And he made a really poor one on the interception. I thought that was problematic. What I like about him is that he is not taking as many sacks as I thought he would. I thought he had a really great scramble. in this game. I thought that was very impressive. He's incredibly tough. Like, he'll hang in the pocket. He was sacked a lot in college. Yeah, he was, but I think he's going to have to maybe step back from that a little bit more and not take those those hits. So there's a lot of positives. He's earned the right to continue starting. I don't know if I'd totally go all in yet, but, you know,

Willie's, Willie's first. Bookmark this. No, that's right. Bookmark it. And I will say the, the toughness jumped out in college. And there was a, there was an angle there's an angle there. to where he does the celebration and he ran over to Jeffrey Simmons, the best defensive player on the Titans and did his own celebration right in his face. He clearly has Moxie. What do you want? I'm complimenting. Okay. Like it is. It sound like you were saying like no, no, no, no, not at all. Don't pet the line. This video right here, I didn't even know we had it. I should have asked, but thank you guys. It's great job. It's very, I get why teammates would like him. Sure. You know, he, he does

have that, which I think is very important for a quarterback. I'm a fan of a guy who's on brand. He's very on brand. He is very on brand. I would like to see him do it not against the Titans, but we got time for that. We do have time. We got time. And it seems like a fairly obvious statement.

First, uh, Stefansky. Just name him the start of the rest of the year. Wasn't super enthusiastic. No, he wasn't. It sounds like it came from up high where he was saying it. It didn't feel like he was saying with his chest. Well, the goal is you have to keep playing well to earn another start. He's done that the last two weeks.

No, no. I'm saying. I would have liked him be enthusiastic about the fact that he sounded, it looked like a hostage. Yeah, it was more like. Enthusiastic about anything? Doing Gabriel. Tough news out of Indianapolis. It was announced today that Daniel Jones out for the rest of the season with the ruptured Achilles

tended that he suffered in the Colts loss of the Jaguars yesterday. Daniel Jones through five, six weeks was considered an MVP candidate. He had 19 touchdowns on his season. Coach, your reaction to the state. is. It's really disappointing for Daniel Jones,

and I think Daniel Jones prove that with a good running game, he can be a very productive and can win

a lot of game, just like he did at the Giants. And now, for this to happen, and the culture in a really bad position, because remember,

Anthony Richardson got hurt on that freak accident on the sideline with a stretching band. You got attacked about resistance. Yeah, so,

and he's been on, he talked about a guy that we never mentioned. who was what the third overall pick or fourth overall pick? I can throw the ball over the mountain. Yeah, so he's out. The backup gets hurt last game. His name, I couldn't even remember his name, Riley.

Leonard. Yeah, Riley Leonard. And now so you're looking at one quarterback that's healthy with a team that's fighting for a playoff bid. Yeah, the Colts aren't making a playoffs, bottom line. And I also think right now this injury opened up a big wound. They thought they kind of held up and put a tattoo over. and that's they they're looking for now a long-term quarterback you know what I mean they

was there was a chance that the way Danion Jones was playing and what he could look like next year with the same offense they had a guy that can carry the load until the next young gun came and now they're they're back to square one because you can't put your marbles on Riley Leonard or Anthony Richardson and now you're talking about a quarterback coming off in Achilles they're back at square one yeah that that's kind of where I was going this is a organizational setback I don't like trading multiple first round picks for non quarterbacks. Sometimes it works out. Oftentimes it doesn't, but it's just a super all-in move. It was extra risky when you do that trade for Sauce Gardner because you're betting on Daniel Jones.

You're saying Daniel Jones is our guy because we're giving up our first round picks so we have no other way to go get a quarterback. If a month after you trade away your first round draft capital for a defensive player and then your quarterback ruptures as Achilles in December, he's not playing at the beginning of next year. And we've seen quarterbacks that even when they do, come back from the ruptured Achilles, they're not themselves until the second year after it, and then their defense is older. What are they going to do with Alec Pierce this off season? Nothing's aligned anymore in Indianapolis. If this continues to implode, does everybody get cleared out?

I don't know. Well, this is catastrophic for Daniel Jones, too, because he's considered a mobile quarterback. He's not considered a guy that, like, he's known for using his legs and extending plays. Now you're coming off in Achilles. It breaks my heart because I thought he was having a Cinderella type year. He was, and the Colts went all in on him, and now I have no idea where they pivot to. Probably Anthony Richardson. Massive game tonight, Herbert against Hertz.

We get into it coming out. Gentlemen, we're just over two hours until kickoff, and Jalen Hertz. Oh, yeah, there he is. Yeah, he does look good. I was like, he's always wearing a Jordan brand hoodie, but that's a better look. Smooth. That's a game day look. Yeah, yeah, that's a professional.

It's a business trip to L.A. for Jalen Hertz. Fascinating game. for both these squads. Willie, who you got? I got the Eagles. I think their front seven is gonna be too much for the charges in their office line. Herbert's got the hand.

I know they got a Martin Hampton potentially coming back, but I think this defense stabilizes the team. Eagles with the win. Okay. Yeah, look, I like Herbert coming back. I like Hampton coming back. I like the fact that they're both, Herbert was a week out of surgery.

I think that that's gonna be a little bit of a rallying cry for the guys. And I think it's gonna be challenging to the Eagles to play out in the West Coast. That stuff's amazing to me. Justin Herbert had surgery on his hand this week. Yeah. I'll play.

You guys are different. Different breed. Yeah. I wouldn't talk about sports for a week, much less play, tackle football. And I have the Chargers, by the way. Everybody in the lacquered, like, all right, he's up for it. I'm up for it too. Let's go.

Yeah. It's just saying, taking surgery, taking the full time off. You're tough. No. Very soft.