First Things First - Vikings beat Bears, Concerns for Caleb Williams, 49ers in trouble, Mahomes Mountain

Episode Date: September 9, 2025

(0:00) Vikings beat Bears, Feel better or worse about Caleb Williams?  (25:24) Brock Purdy uncertain for Week 2, Ravens being criticized too much?  (41:56) Tua Tagovailoa wants to respond to Week 1 blowout (46:11) Mahomes Mountain (01:11:27) What went wrong for the Bears? (01:20:54) Chiefs concerned without Xavier Worthy? (01:24:19) Bears worried after Vikings loss, Jalen Carter will play vs. Chiefs (01:47:16) Top 10 Tuesday - Top teams entering Week 2 (01:57:12) More or less faith in Caleb Williams, Panic time for 49ers?  (02:06:27) Chiefs need Xavier Worthy vs. Eagles?  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

I have no sound. I didn't know we were starting. I was talking about old chiefs teams. Sorry, my bed. Here we go. We're back. Now we're back. About the good old days.

I got you, Dust. It was from last year we were talking about. What up, KW. He was looking back wistfully. On the ropes. Who's on the rows? You just did a long soliloquy. You didn't even recognize that Brew was in like nod mode.

Brew asked me a question. I looked it up. Mood. Brew does not like to talk two minutes before the show. He was like, uh-huh. And you kept on going. He's like, mm-hmm. This is what I was said before the show.

You're just on the broke. What I said before the show was accurate. That's you're actually right now. My goal of the next three days is to repair our relationship. You and me, Kate, we're good. No. Brew. He's mad at me.

I don't know why. He's like my wife. Like, like I know you're mad. You keep saying you're not mad. Just tell me why you're mad because we're about to be out in public in Kansas City together and we need to present. All right, I don't want to be weird.

I'm not mad. The cheats are just 0 in 1 and your emotions are scrambled. You're seeing anger everywhere. It's like this guy's not. That's not what it is. It's just that the cheats are 0 and 1. That's it.

Can I tell you something? That's what it is. I think you're right. First hour of first things first. Today, Caleb struggles. Ben Jotson debut party turned into J.J. McCarthy's coming out party. What does this mean for both teams moving forward? Meanwhile, oh, it's getting late early in San Francisco.

Kittle and I are. Purdy hurt. Juan Jennings hurt. Jake Moody released. Mack Jones warming up. Maybe all bad signs there. Do they have team doctors? That's my take.

I'm believing there. You can expound, but I'm just saying this is ridiculous. Brew stressed out about it. And finally, after a wild week one for all the quarterbacks in the NFL, who climbed, who fell off, and the debut. And, Brew, you are not going to like this. They're not just doing housework around here. AI came for the Mahomes Mountain intro. Oh, wow.

Robots? Yes. Not robots, but it was just. Same thing. AI robots. It's all technology without human being. And they're coming. Yeah.

We're using it on the show? Yes. You didn't clear it with Brew? That's under his. I was too scared. You're the creative. I'm the takes. Brew's the effort.

I was. I was in charge of that journalistic. All right. It could be grand opening, grand closing. We'll see. We'll see. All right.

That's a three minute intro. It was great. We start with the Bears. Caleb was 10 for 10. He's like, man, this is really. really working. Chicago is rolling and then the wheels came off. Two touchdowns, 210 yards overall. But he only completed 44% of the rest of his passes. That's not good. Here he was after the game.

I think there was a lot of good there. Our communication, you know, I think he was getting the plays in, you know, fast and I've been able to get out the huddle. You know, we need to be better with that. And I've been able to get up to the line, make checks or whatever case may be. But, you know, I think it's a growing process that it's going to keep growing from here. The start, this is the start, but definitely not to end. Okay. Do you feel better or worse about Caleb and the Bears? All right.

Can I tell you guys something? Oh, here we go, man, you are just on tilt, dude. I'm not on tilt. Two straight days. I just have to tell you guys something. Okay. So I don't live tweet Chiefs games, but I live tweet basically any other stand-alone game. I'm usually live tweeting.

And I'm known to be, you know, a little bit of a smart aleck, particularly if some of my takes look like they're going to prove correct. You? And something struck me as concerning because in the midst of Caleb starting 10 for 10, I didn't want to tweet because watching it, I was like, I don't think this is going to keep up. You agree? Exactly where I was with the ravens. Oh, with the ravens. With the bills. I was like.

Because even with that start, some of it was so hard. Like he had to twice do kind of magical things to get a dump off. You know what I mean? Like they do spin around and escape to end up checking down. And so the answer to the question is I feel much worse. and it started with the Tyler Dunn article on his website over the weekend which talked about the dysfunction of last year

that personality, work ethic, or other potential issues that might prevent Caleb from reaching his full potential. Then during this game, it was so bad pre-snap. And that's, and I, Coach Manjini might over, you know, emphasize that. But he did call someone in emotion with three seconds on the play clock. They were getting out of the huddle late.

The penalties, which we can show you, there were a bunch of penalties. They're not all on Caleb. The pre-snap ones are not even all on Caleb because it's false start. You know what I mean? But some of them are. And the fact that he seems to be at this point in his career, a bit of an emotional roller coaster. Because he had not missed a pass until the fourth. down that he missed badly.

Yeah. And then he, you instantly saw him doing this thing on the bench again. Now, he did, I don't want to say he snapped out of it, but it's not like, you know, he was, but he was a different player after that. He's a player that you, the talent is undeniable. The play on the sideline is undeniable that only a handful of guys in the whole league can make. But when, if it was just that the pre-snap stuff.

as bad, then I deal with that to get that. Sure. But when you add to it, he also missed some layups that would have won them the game, like easy passes. You know what I mean? The fourth down should have been an easy pass. He had a touchdown to Rome that could have been, or DJ Moore, pardon me. And so I am not out on Caleb Williams.

I am pumping the brakes on my own timeline of when he will become a great player because I think he is further behind than he should be his first start of year two. I do feel that way. This is a momentous day. Well, to use, to use, and obviously I know he's not your main guy, your main guy's Mahomes, but, you know,

Nick likes to use the dating, you know, the rams, dating him and all that. This is what we just witnessed. This is the equivalent of, I want to see other people. I mean, that's really what this is. That was what. I want to see.

We can still hang out, have fun, but I want to see it. We're no longer exclusive. Yeah, that's what that was. So I'm just letting you know. Thanks, bro. But look, I'm with you to some degree in that I feel worse, too, about the Bears. I know it's just one game. I don't want to over it react.

We're obviously not changing our picks at this point. They look like the worst team in the division, unless Detroit really has fallen off. I mean, obviously Green Bay looks. And Minnesota just beat them. And then Detroit, we assume, will still be a pretty good team. Minnesota's defense was better. Minnesota's quarterback was better yesterday at least.

Their run game was better. Their coaching was better. I mean, the adjustments they made a halftime just seemed to have Ben Johnson, like they didn't, you know, they didn't react well to him. And a lot of this, obviously, how you feel about the Bears is a lot about Caleb. And look, he had his moments as he did his last year too, but he looked good at points. But Nick, and I think that quote from him, supports what I'm about to say.

He looks like a great athlete playing quarterback rather than a quarterback who happens to be a great athlete, like Mahomes, like Lamar, like Josh. Like he looks like a great. And the fact that you're still your second season, heck, first, we, we, when do you, I can't really think off the top of my head the last quarterback that talked so much, we talked so much about, and he's talking in press conferences about we got out of the huddle fast or the plays came in. And by the way, I didn't think they got out of the huddle fast. No, but, but, you know what I said? Just, just basic stuff that we take for granted.

Like when you watch Caleb, you're looking to see that stuff. you're not really looking for that with any other quarterback even a lot of the rookies for the most part and so to me that shows this dude is a phenomenal athlete and he is like the runs he made the speed he showed and the arm strength

and so even like early on when he was 10 for 10 and Aitman did a great job of talking about this yeah he was 10 for 10 obviously a lot of stuff underneath checkdowns, but he was missing some stuff down the field. And to me that says that Caleb kind of, he's thinking too much. Like he was in his mind and Aitman talked about it. Ben Johnson has just been like completions, completions, completion.

Which has its value. But he was checking down like, it was like he almost made up in his mind, this is where I'm going. This is where I'm going. I just want to make it easy, which I get because that's what's being drilled. into his head, but that shows he's not playing instinctively. His instincts are more what we saw in the second half. I'm not even talking about the inaccuracy, but running, he wants to run.

And I actually think you should not treat him like Justin Fields. No. But I think they need to lean more into him running. Like he can be a dual threat quarterback. I'm not saying he'll be this good, but like a Lamar. like a Josh is a dual threat, Jaylen. Because he, I wouldn't do, but like early Lamar. No, not Justin Fields at all.

Early Lamar, I think is interesting. You know what I mean? Like a Jaylon hurt. I mean, Jalen hurts even. Like, he has that ability to, and he's just running now when he's scrambling. And maybe they're just like, look, we just want to get him playing on time. I also don't want to get him thinking about running as jail. No, he's not Jalen.

Well, I would imagine. He's bigger than Lamar, though. He's bigger than Lamar. Oh, I don't think so. No. I don't think Caleb Williams is more like stockier than Mar? I think Lamar is like shot. Have you seen Lamar's neck?

Yeah, the neck, I think. But whatever the case, I do think he should be able to run more. So look, he's a work in progress. I do feel worse about them and him to a degree. But like Nick, I'm not giving up on him. Oh, but it. But it wasn't a great look. Go, KW.

I'm just saying. If Caleb is open to seeing other people. Oh, because you would have to officially throw in the towel on Drake May. Cup of coffee? On Drake May. Cup of coffee's going to hurt anything? You know how that, friends? Here's what I like.

This is what? Week one. The big question for us in sports television is, hey, was that week one performance just week one? rusty, new system, or was it indicative of something either more problematic or we're going to talk about JJ, sign up things to come.

Bro didn't have a good game. We're not here talking about what's wrong with bro. Yeah, because of the track record. Golf didn't have a good game. Not saying what's wrong. Tua didn't have a good game. We are saying that. Even though Tua has led the league

with that offense, with those wide receivers, we've seen him do great things. I'm giving a little bit to watching a little bit of the Manning cast and having Peyton me and he's like, ooh, Brian Flores can choose me on that. That's a long way with me.

No, I would like to see him to go. He's got Detroit next and Aaron Glenn's not there and Ben Johnson knows what they're going to run. I'm just saying that's, listen, can I say some of the best friend moving in? Oh, she can see other people now? As I said 11 minutes ago. Shoulder cry on. He's mad at me.

I'm starting to believe. I'm starting to believe. I'm sorry. I'm mad at you. Before they're even my ex. Can I say one thing. As I try to repair our relationship, critical of... We don't have a bad relationship.

He's very mad at me, guys. Critical of Ben Johnson. Because here's the deal. Go ahead. I am used to, and I expect, the older coaches, to not be as good at game management as I am. That's fine.

I do not accept it from a guy who's supposed to be cutting edge and is my age. And at the end of the game, when there's 202 left, you must, must ensure you save the two-minute warning. Ben said his plan was,

kick it through the back of the end zone, Santos couldn't execute. Here's the problem, and this is maybe some people look at it as next level or whatever. If you're a brand-new head coach, supposed to be the smart guy, you have to get this the way I got it instantly. The touchback these days is the 35.

Yeah. What is the penalty for kids? kicking it out of bounds. Or, more accurately, with the new kickoff rule, just tapping the football. Oh, it didn't land in the landing zone. The penalty is the 40. You could have guaranteed you get the two-minute warning by telling Santos, here's your job. Walk up to the ball and tap it with your toe.

It doesn't land in the landing zone. The ball is dead. No time runs off the clock. It is Minnesota ball at the 40, 202 left, guaranteed. You cannot risk losing the two-minute warning on weak-leg Cairo Santos being able to kick it out of the end zone when the maximum upside of that is five yards. You can guarantee you keep the two-minute warning, give them ball at the 40 by just tapping the football. Now people listening watching right now be like, oh, I hadn't thought of that.

It's not your job. It is Ben Johnson's. I thought of it and Peyton Manning on the Manning cast thought of it evidently as well. I wasn't watching that broadcast. But you can't, that's a huge error because they would have got the ball back to the minute left. And then who knows? That's a huge error that Ben Johnson can't make. Gotta be better than that.

Well, they may have gotten it back with a minute left. Well, they did get it back with 20 seconds. So I'm saying yes. Depending on what they had done. You know. Just something. Bears in Detroit next week. Vibe check in Minnesota.

Very high. J.J. McCarthy threw for two, ran in a touchdown as the Viking score 21 in the fourth. Here's Kevin O'Connell in a very happy locker room. Take a listen. This feeling that we have right now. does not happen without one other guy, all right? Did not go the way any of us wanted. This guy, all right, I can tell from the jump, he was poised.

He was poised. But this guy didn't quit me, and you always thought he would figure it out two passing touchdowns and a rushing touchdowns all in the second half. Sam Donald's like, that used to be me. What do you make a JJ's comeback win, bro? I mean, obviously his numbers weren't the greatest. but can you have a better debut than this? You know, I mean, when you do something,

no one in the history of the league is done, which was the three touchdowns in the fourth quarter, you know, for the comeback. Like, it was great. He showed resilience. He showed toughness. Look, he did in fairness. He got a big boost from his defense, which was just great in the second half,

only gave up to seven points late in the game. And then from his run game, which they ran for 85 yards in the second. second half. And a little from the officials. All that did is give him time to ease into the game. Look, he didn't look rattled to me at the beginning. He wasn't doing

much, but he was passing the ball fine when he threw it. He was under a little duress from the pressure from the bears. But for him to bounce back from that pick six in his home city, on the road,

in a huge standalone long game on a team that was 14 and 2 last year and just let this quarterback who was in the MVP discussion go because of you and you're facing a big name rookie, the number one pick

opposite you. For him to do what he did was huge and so you mentioned Nick when we're talking about Caleb the emotional roller coaster, his demeanor personality, whatever. That is so big for NFL quarterback.

Like that's one of the intangibles. Like, is this guy a leader of men? You know, do guys respect him and all that? And he seems to have that. That's certainly what he showed in this game. And I think his confidence and the team's confidence in him is going to take a huge jump because of this. Well, listen, we can show you his fourth quarter versus the first three. It's stark because he was having an awful game.

He looked totally out of sorts. the pick six it looked like ended the game. You know what I mean? And he was seemingly no threat whatsoever. To go from that to that is stark. It's almost more impressive than if he was just mediocre the first three quarters and then, you know, turned it on. I also think the story within the story is this is why the Minnesota Vikings believed they could move off 14 ways.

because they believe that with that roster they currently have, the coaching they currently have, the situational sharpness, the flip side of the Ben Johnson mistake is, KOC had clearly told him no matter what, take it out. You know what I mean? Those things sets a floor. And so the floor, the floor obviously is not 14 wins,

but the floor is higher than most. And so we'll roll the dice on upside and talent without, we don't think that if we're wrong about J.J. McCarthy, we're about to be in a barren wasteland the way the giants or the jets have found themselves when they have missed on a quarterback because we like our roster, we love our coaches, we love our scheme, all those things. And so they take a chance on a kid who, it's really interesting, that game was a kind of what people said about him coming out of school, which was not that he would look bad and then look good,

but like, can't explain it, but he never loses faith in the kid's a winner. And I typically don't like that type of analysis. But in college, he made the plays when they asked him to make the plays. In the pros, in his first game ever, he looks totally out of his depth until he has to be good and then was really good and tough. and didn't lose confidence.

You know what I mean? And so I think you got a glimpse of why people loved him. Some people loved him the way they did. You know, I joked about during the draft process that whenever people talk about JJ McCarthy, they talked about his handshake and what a good kid he was, not about like his throwing motion.

But maybe for playing the quarterback position of some of those intangible things play a bigger factor than the numbers suggest, which probably supports. That's a cousin of supporting your guy, Jalen. Seriously. I know that. So that's another nice thing I've said about Kevin Wilde's guys.

JJ versus Michael Pennix on Sunday night football. Jalen Carter currently not suspended for spitting on deck. He's also not not suspended. We're waiting for news from the league office. It might come down today. Brew, do you think Jalen Carter should be suspended? I'm going to be honest. some of this is probably just my personal fandom.

No. I agree. I want to see him played in this game on Sunday against the Chiefs. But I feel like he didn't play in this game last week, right? Like he didn't play one snap. So that could be viewed as the suspension. Does it matter to you that the league's official policy is that's not how it's view? Yeah.

You know what I mean? But I think mostly, I agree. But I think mostly, generally you've played some portion of the game when you're suspended. He played none. Look, if the league comes down on him and suspends him for a game, I'm not going to raise my voice in protest because I get it. It's a bad look. You got kids watching. You don't want that.

But I don't think he has to be suspended. I think a hefty fine would suffice. Okay. So just like you were saying, and I agree. It shouldn't play a role. It's not fair that it plays a role that this is a huge game in a Super Bowl rematch or whatever, but it does. Here's another thing that's not fair that it would play a role, but I wonder if it did. The college football player from Florida that's spit on a kid this weekend.

You know what? I don't know if it's connected or not. It's not nothing, but it's not necessarily something. And he has since apologized. And it was in, you know, his spit seemed more egregious than James. but he's also younger and not a pro. I saw that and I was like, I feel like I don't know how much of a percentage, but his odds of being suspended went up.

Like they're, like Lewis Suarez, soccer players spit on a security guy and just got three games, but that just happened as well. But that guy's got a little crazy. That to me is coincidental. This might also be coincidental. But there's an element of we went all since we've been in this studio. Let's just go the last four years. We have not had a single college or pro football player of note in the discussion for spitting on a guy.

And the fact that he does it Friday or I'm sorry, Thursday. And then the Florida kid does it Saturday. I do wonder if the NFL almost feels a responsibility to make it clear this is. This is not It obviously is not acceptable But it is you are The penalty is harsh Going

And so I What I listen I think that It is outrageous If people get mad that he's suspended You know what I mean? I think that this is A suspension is

warranted I also think That from a logical perspective I agree with you even though the rules say that wasn't a suspension, that was an ejection, that was a suspension.

Right. And you know what I mean? And so I feel like he did, they don't do this in the NFL. Like, I feel like he, if they said, hey, you have to miss the first quarter. You know what I mean? Like you have to miss, you know,

truly a full, complete game plus. Like, I know that's not even allowed. But you know what? Like in college football, you can suspend a guy for a half or something. And so I don't think, I also don't think he will be, but if he is, I honestly believe the Florida kid spitting was one of the reasons why. A lot of people didn't spit. So maybe he should be like, well, like that I would argue it.

Most people did not. If he is going to be suspended, I hope it's the fourth quarter of the game when he's usually sitting down anyways. You know what I'm saying? That's not going to help your reception in Kansas. Eagles are favored by a point in a half. 49ers might be falling apart next on FS1, the Fox Sports Channel series X. Live from Kansas City this Friday,

3 to 6 Eastern when the show normally is, 2 to 5 Kansas City time. We'll all be there. Special guests already lining up. Lining up for special guests. Also, I'm putting out a call because we expect a lot of Kansas City fans. Oh, yeah, this is good.

Eagles fans. like to travel. If you're coming to the game on Sunday, pop over to the Power and Light District. Have yourself a cocktail. Stop by the show. Don't do your regular Eagle fan stuff and try to fight people.

Be civilized. We're from the Midwest. We're nice. Oh, my goodness. And if you bring a show-related sign, no profanity, obviously. Just like, Kevin Wild's National Treasure or something like that,

all buy your beers. How is that going to work logistically? I'm going to bring a giant wad of cash and somebody's going to hand out 20s to anybody who has a sign. How much of yours in Kansas City? Two bucks to see this guy. That's more than a beer.

$1.25. Live on Friday, it'll be excellent. There are $3 PBR special. That's what I'll take it. San Francisco gutted out of victory. But now it's their roster being gutted. Kittle out with the hamstring and on the IR. He'll miss four weeks.

Joanne Jennings has a chance to play, but he hurt his shoulder. Purdy status, TBD with a toe in his shoulder. Jake Moody, the kicker, cut. Now on the bright side. If you go with me here. Mack Jones is okay. Warming up in the bullpen. This is the most classic one Greg's ever had.

Man. Greg had it a year and a half ago. He's like, Niners are done because they're going to not stay healthy. But we didn't mean too. Already? This is, I mean, this is typically their Achilles Hill. If they, yes. That's the one injury they don't have.

Trademark. Sorry, go ahead. Literally. Because you don't mean. They get injured. This team is, it's done. It's unfortunate. Can I, before Brew answers, if they're in trouble,

can I ask a question about the injuries to you? This is great. This is controversial. Do they just have the worst, like, training staff? Oh, my. No, I mean, I, again, I feel bad asking because I obviously know nothing about what those people do. But it feels like they have the worst training staff. Yeah, no, I'm not going to say that.

It has nothing. It's just bad luck. Do you think they have the best training staff? Absolute best. They're definitely working around the clock. Okay, all right. It's a mess. What's the question? Are they in trouble?

Before I answer that, gentlemen, I got to say it. What a stud! Look at this. He did this. With a bad shoulder and a bummed toe. Look at it. There is no sign of injury whatsoever, and he just wins him the game. I mean, my, on a bad shoulder and a bad toe,

but yet he's scrambling like a running back. The bad shoulder is not his growing shoulders. It's still. A bad shoulder and the toe, the toe is damaging. Greg definitely knows that. No, I don't. You know how bad a toe injury can be. Yeah, now if it's going to keep you out.

And how do you, how, okay. As a receiver. That is impressive. So that's number one. Okay, good. It depends on how long purdy's out. I think he showed last week that he's their most important. McCaffrey wasn't great last week.

I don't know if he's going to be great this year. They need Purdy to have a shot at making the playoffs. I mean, no offense to Mack Jones. Buckle up. But look, they're fortunate. They're playing New Orleans. Maybe they can get a win with Mack Jones against New Orleans. But Kittles out for four games at least.

Joanne Jennings is out. Pierce all looked good, but Pierce all by himself. Well, Christian McCaffrey's there. Yeah, but again, it's hard for, I mean, he didn't look great last week. And I'm, I just, I mean, Purdy didn't look great last week. I thought he looked very good, though. I mean, he carried him, like, if they had a kicking game and his first drive was fantastic, he won him the game, I thought Purdy was fine.

I mean, the two interceptions obviously you want back. but they need McCaffrey's not going to carry him and I don't trust his health anyway if anybody I'm worried about health-wise is McCaffrey yeah I'm worried about Purdy I mean Purdy

here's the other here's the other part of it so the listen that Mac Jones coming in and dealing would be one of the greatest things ever happened to this show

it would officially put to bed all of our Niner arguments and Wilds would be back from the dead. Be careful. How would it, though? Because, Brew, I literally, I literally during the offseason got you on the record

about how bad you think Mac Jones is because I thought this might arise. And if there is some chance that Mack Jones comes in and is awesome, the answer can't be, oh, it turns out he's awesome now. It might just be Shannon's system. You know what the answer would be? It was one game.

Oh, yeah. Oh, sure. No, no. If he's going to lead him to the Super Bowl, then that's a different thing. No, he's no Jimmy Garoppolo. But here is, to me, the bigger story here, which is, and you guys have gotten mad at me about this in the past, but I think Greg is with me on it. When people say, like, Nick, you still hold Purdy's draft position against him.

One of the reasons, and I think you might agree with this, Brew, that he was drafted where he was, was because of physical measurables. You know what I mean? Like, not the biggest guy, now the strongest guy, strongest arm. and he obviously has wildly outperformed that better than any seventh round pick at his position ever, hands down. But we're now on a handful of real injuries this guy has suffered. This one, to your point, these two, we don't even know when or how they happen. You know what I mean? There wasn't like some catastrophic moment or whatever it was.

And that is for a team that just paid him near the top of the market. not quite top of market, but in line with the best quarterbacks in the league, this is really concerning. So, yes, they're in trouble right now because the other thing is this, oh, my God, even if they're not good, at least they have such a soft schedule. After the Saints, it's Jags, Rams, Bucks, Falcons, Texans. And one week in, I would say four of those five teams are better than we thought, like, looks better. They have the Cardinals.

Yeah, they go. I'm sorry. You're right. They got to get through that at least two and two. Right. Right, and then the Texans are the only team there that played worse than maybe we thought they would going into we won. But it's just the schedule might not be quite as easy as we thought. So in the short term, it's really damaging.

And long term, it's concerning that Purdy has suffered some type of injury that's made a miss time in now three years. Like that's, you know what I mean? Like that's not nothing to me, KW. Do you want to talk about Mack Jones? I mean, I think Mac Jones does not really drive. The ratings. He never did, but that never stopped you before. Nationally.

That being said, I hope Purdy can heal up and get back in the starting lineup. But if Mack Jones starts winning games, well, I hope he can go in here. Is Purdy out? We don't know. He's uncertain. He's uncertain. He might just play. And to bruise point, to bruise point, he was played fine with the injuries.

Thank you. So here's a deal. They are definitely in trouble because I've, I've, I've, I've, I've, said this before. This is an older team trying to get younger, but they're still going to have injury issues. And if they arise this early in the season, you kind of have the expectation, man, it's starting already.

If you were a Niner fan knowing what you went through last year, the thing with Purdy is what I don't want to hear from you across that, this desk is if he plays, well, he's playing with a shoulder injury. He's playing with his tone. You ran Baker out of Cleveland for that. I do not want to hear that. I get Baker props for playing through injury. Because what we understand.

I was the one saying saluting his toughness. Greg is making a show rule. I'm just letting you know right now if he doesn't perform well. Because now we know Kittle is out. CMC, we don't know if he's going to get back to. They gave him 30 touches. So they think CMC's healthy. He just was not affected.

Ricky Pierce saw valid option showed up. They're developing some type of chemistry. But naturally he's going to be asked to do more. regardless of this absolutely regardless of this non-throwing shoulder injury and his toe

whichever toe it is you're going to come you're going to come up with a plan that is heavily involving Brock Purdy why because of what you ended with we've paid him

to overcome some of these issues we know injuries the part of the game if we have you we paid you like you should be able to bandaid some of this stuff it's a must win game

you lose you smile It's bad that it's against the Saints. It'd be good if it was against the Packers. It's good that it's against the Saints. No, while this, I'm bad because you can't lose. You cannot lose. Can't lose this game.

I'll state facts. That's what I'll do. Greg? I'm facts over feelings. Great, Jeff. Well, no, I'll stay fact. Greg's just trying to set the table. If your weapons aren't there, that's the fact.

If you're a bit banged up, that's a fact. That's all I'm saying. I won't make excuses. I don't make excuses, but I'll make explanations. It's a difference. All right. That was an English major. We know, bro.

And an actor. Ravens still dealing with the fallout of their collapse in Buffalo. Harbaugh addressed the stat that was haunting him in the team after the game. Now, the stat is that Harbaugh is pulling 17 double-digit second half leads the most since at least 1991 when this stuff started getting tracked. But the coach says, hey, hear me out. You got to be ahead to blow a lead. That's worth something. Take a listen.

Maybe part of us a first of it. fact that we've been ahead a lot. We've won a lot of games. So we've had a lot of, and we've had a lot of two-score leads. So we've kept a lot of those, but I think we've lost six of them, if I'm not mistaken. That's too many. I don't care how many two-score leads you have. And I do believe that we need to be really thoughtful of, you know, how we decide that we're going to approach those situations going forward. Okay, so he has a point. The Ravens have had the most 10-point leads in 101 regular season games since 2019. They did blow five of them, which is the second most, but they've had the most.

So it makes sense. Here's why I don't think he has as strong of a point as he thinks. Because I think there's a better stat than that. This is courtesy of Mike Sando. So what Mike Sando did was from 2022 to now. There's seven teams that have been up. So this is his info, but I will translate it because it's hard to see. I understand.

Seven teams who've been up by more than a. score in the fourth quarter at least 20 times. It's the best teams over the course of those three years. And so the Ravens have done it 31 times, Bill's 21, Niners 25, Bengals 21, Lions 22, Eagles 28, Chiefs 24. But then there's the losses. So the chiefs are 24 and up because the idea of the Chiefs blowing a two score, fourth quarter lead seems impossible. They also haven't had a two score, fourth quarter lead a lot lately, but

still, they're on the list. Eagles are 27 and one. The Lions are 21 and one. The Bengals are 20 and 1. The Niners and Bills are 23 and 19 and 2. So 23 and 2 19 and 2. And the Ravens are 25 and 6. So having a few more than the other excellent teams does not explain why all of the other excellent teams either never lose those games. Three of them have lost one. Two of them have lost twice. And you've lost six times. And to me, Brewett is a little. 16. You know, they kind of extended it out there. Say it again? It's up to 9 to 16 rather than just

10. Oh, right. Well, it's just yeah, it's two score games is what that that one is. And so it was I thought that's what he was talking about because he said we've done it six times and that stat was six times. So I thought maybe they were. That's what I figured he meant. Was up multiple scores in the fourth quarter. I think it's a little bit of what the kids

would call cope and what I would just call denial about yeah, there's something you guys structurally are doing that is leading to this. I think that's to me pretty obvious. It's absolutely obvious. And I think every time

Harbaugh addresses it is the same demeanor, which I get, that's his demeanor. But he just downplays it. And I get it, he may not want to criticize his players publicly or whatever. But my guess is that's his demeanor

with them as well. And the sense of urgency, it just has to change. best thing he said was we do have to be more thoughtful about how we end these games. Maybe you want to see it said with more fire or whatever. What does that mean? Well, one, and a lot of times, Greg, like you're watching a game and the team has a lead and the defense has been good throughout the game. I know that wasn't the case Sunday night with the bills.

But then they go prevent and all of a sudden the other team starts moving the ball. And occasionally they get back in the game. And I'm always thinking you were shutting them down with your typical defense. Why not stay there? Yeah, just stay. And the flip side of that offensively. Where you just try to suck the air out of the ball. Exactly.

Like with Derek Henry and Lamar Jackson and a good pass game now, whether it's your tight ends or your receivers, you should never like fall apart offensively late in the game. It's one thing if the team has been shutting you down most of the game. But when we saw Sunday night, you score on your first eight possessions, you can't score on your last three, even get a first down. That should never happen. And that speaks to you're getting careful. You know, you're just trying to hold on and not lose rather than win. So hopefully, I mean, obviously they're going to address everything and try, but it's not too much criticism because this is a huge, this is their biggest problem.

Yeah, it's definitely not too much criticism. And to your point, like, this is who they are offensively. And what I mean by that is they're a run first team. I know we get excited about when Lamar throws the ball, but their identity is, man, they got to run Derek Henry. They got to be physical at the point of attack. In this game, what they were doing actually would have benefited them to keep doing that. They were making quick decisions in the passing game, rolling Lamar out,

on boots, waggles, whatever you want to call them, and getting the ball to Derek Henry. Cashing them with Derek Terry. That's what you want to do if you want to chew up clock and to just all of a sudden know that a defense is going to, okay, you know what? We got to load the box even more because we kind of believe they're going to just give it to Derek Henry.

And to just do that when you have, regardless of what Lamar said, of, man, cramping and all. you got arguably one of the best weapons on your side under center at all times in any matchup use it I don't care if it's to show the last thing I'll say is before Lamar became like the MVP level consistent version of Lamar the knock on this team was well they can't play from behind because they couldn't throw the ball especially in the postseason and so you've been on both sides of this where, man, we've been terrible when we've been behind, we've been terrible when we've been in the lead.

To your point of, you kind of are who you are, you just don't know how to finish. I wonder how long this is going to linger for it. Last year, the Chiefs lost lingered into week two in the Raiders. Like I still talking about it. Like, remember we want? I can move on. Two in the Dolphins had a brutal performance against the Colts, three turnovers and a 25-point loss. Now Mike McDaniel said, quote, he said this, I believe today.

The good news and the positive is I don't see how it could be worse. That's not a lie. There's a lot of things we need to look at. We need to look in the mirror. We need to continue to hold each other accountable for what it is. And, you know, I would definitely say it starts with me. And I think as a team collectively, this was something we were trying to avoid. But could this be good for us?

I don't know. We'll see how we respond next week. Tua on Sunday, Bruce, 61% completion, 114 yards, 5 yards pass. Passer rating is under 52. It's the lowest in any game with at least five pass attempts. Your reaction to Tua. Well, first of all, bars. Those are bars.

Really? That was, that's what I want to generally hear from a quarterback. That type, like his, demeanor, his look, what he said, I thought was great, generally speaking. The problem is when you speak that way, you got to deliver to some degree. When you have three turnovers and then you're coming in speaking that way, it doesn't hold the same weight. All right.

And when you have three turnovers like he did, two interceptions and a fumble, you say, I got to look in the mirror. There's no we. there's no us, even if obviously that's true. There's no we, there's no us. It's me. It's all me. I got to get better.

I let the guys down. I got to do some soul searching. I got to look in the mirror. That's all I want to hear when you play that poorly. So what he said is right, but you're not going to have the credibility in the locker room when you play so badly. Yeah, I'll echo what Bruce was saying. That was the first thing that stood out to me. don't start with we start with I

like and I understand what he's saying because they did as a team they played poorly but when you are a part of it and you have played a significant role in why we perform poorly offensively just just just talk about you right just talk about you

we all understand from from a quarterbacking perspective if you play better it gives us a better chance to win if you don't make some of those mistakes and not all of them were on him. Both of those picks were. The sack stripped fumble could have protect the ball a little bit better.

The sack isn't. The fumble, yeah, because you could have protected the ball a little bit better. But all these things you are in control of. And so naturally, if I'm in that locker room, I don't want you to try to pass it off to someone else. We're going to identify ourselves. You identify you. So I know when I'm looking in this huddle, yeah, Tua owns his. You can't just throw in there.

And obviously it starts with me, like as a side list, you know. Paying him was the original sin. Some of us said it from the very beginning. I knew you were going to go. I knew. You can't. You can't. It's not a player you can pay unless you have exhausted every other possible avenue.

They didn't. And two things happened. He instantly regressed. He started getting hurt again, which is sad. And you feel for him on that front. And here's the other part that people don't say with Tua, but is my vibe from Post getting paid, he bought the hype a little bit.

He was like, I'm one of those dudes, and he has not played like that. And so I think that it is, I think Tua believes he is the caliber of quarterback who gets paid like he gets paid. I don't. And I don't think he plays like that. And I think it hurts the team. They host the Patriots this Sunday.

Patriots. Wow. Tua Drake May. Two and eight. This is a huge game. Bet your interception props, America. For both teams. It's not good.

We're going to really find out we're now. Well, the defenses outscore the offenses. Most out next. Live from New York. It's the show that's debuting new snow, Greg. Don't ruin it. We have to use this for years. How can you ruin snow?

It's still falling out. It's melting because of you. Look at that. Too much. And that, you know, guys, there's one actor on the side. Okay. Guys, there's one actor on the same. set, okay?

That's right. I got the slag after, too. You do? Yeah. For what? He's acting. For what? What show?

Criminal minds? Wow. Criminal minds? Wow. You never told us that? I don't, I don't, I don't write about it. Exactly. You have an I and D.B.

Yeah, but his doesn't say Greg Jennings playing Greg Jennings. I bet you're playing football. No, I wasn't. Royal Pains I did play a football player. Criminal Minds. I'm interested in that. Today, Caleb's collapse. Are we sure this was the...

Collapses seems a little strong. Well, he went 10 for 10, and then he completed less than half of his passing. Demise? It just collapsed just seems a touch strong. You were 10 for 10. I know what the numbers were. What do you want me to say? Caleb's great game.

No, I say that. I may have taken a little bit of liberty with the alliteration. Yeah. Caleb's concerns. I got a thing. Caleb's concerns. Yeah. Are you guys playing with this, though?

It is nice. Greg, apologies, man. Thank you. This stuff is nice. The Chiefs in trouble against the Eagles. We will be there on Friday. We will not be playing. Is Xavier Worthy in the same boat?

You know, just kind of watching from the sidelines. You know what I mean? Because he got hurt. Travis Kelsey hit him. Not good. But right now, of course, it's time for the slipperiest segment in all. all of sports, also the debut, and Brew might not like it, of our AI, Mahalas Pohmoh.

Week one, in the books, the highs, the lows, the lows, the kind of okay performances. Nevertheless, we're about to see where all of the quarterbacks fall on the slipperiest and most dangerous segment in all of sports. My home's down. Why is it so low? What happened to the flag? Yeah. Used to be high.

I pointed it very low that time. Well, robots. I like it though. I like that much better than the green screen. Well, that hurts my feelings. That was great. It was great. But thank you to everyone who made the AI,

the humans, that is. Yes. We appreciate everyone who put in extra work so Wilds could put in less work. Thank you. Hey, that's way it goes. Smarter, not harder? Yeah, no. I'm, I'm, I'm going to.

with you. All right. This could be a controversial mountain. Don't really care. It has been for five years now. America's most accurate and trusted quarterback ranking system and it will continue to be. Great. Not a fickle beast the way the rest of the media is, but we'll get to that later. Off the mountain, not climbing today, I think we call it. Russ, off the mountain. Spencer Rattler stayed off the mountain. Bryce fell off the mountain. Listen, man.

I know it hurts. It's a tough spot. And I gotta tell you, they're lucky the mountain has at this point in the year, we try to keep it full because there's a few other guys who'd be down there with them with some vacancies. Yeah, Joe Burrow. But we didn't want to do, well, no, Burrow wouldn't have fallen from where he was because it's not based purely on. To be clear, and I thought everyone understood this, it is not based purely on what you did week one. one whole, like Joe Burrow, to Wilde's point, his performance would have him off the mountain,

but he was high enough that even if he drops, he's not going to drop right off the mountain. So there is, you know, who you are built into it to a degree. Those guys off the mountain. Bottom row of the mouth. Joe Flacco, welcome to the mountain. Sam Darnold fumbling into, this is, Mark Sanchez is like, man, butt fumbled. We now have a cousin of it. It's just different.

And this one cost them the game. game when they could have won. We wouldn't be talking about Purdy's miraculous game-winning touchdown pass. Cam Ward, I'm telling you right now, I think Cam Ward, I'm ready to just say it. He gets a pass until he has a new head coach. I'm just ready to say it. Brian Callahan, not exactly bathing yourself in glory through a week. You know what?

You know who's saying, see what I was talking about? We'll let us. Will Levis like you. Look what I was dealing with. Kyle, are you saying where you are? Bo Nix, Tua, and Drake May. If there were vacancies allowed in week two, you'd all be off the mountain.

Wow. Joe Nix was horrible, up to it including the final play of the game that Sean Payton called just to juice his numbers and he missed the open guy and threw it away. Tua, we just talked about Drake May, KW, against what could be one of the worst defenses in football was bad immediately.

I'm not out on him. And it's, but, and he's not on Pumpkin Watch. He is, however, on midwatch. Just telling you. No comment. He's never been Cinderella. Sixth row, as Brew would say, it's not quarterback wins, mountains, so we're not moving Trevor up, even though it was a pretty solid performance.

But also the rain, the weather delay through that game off. And the fact that they realize Carolina can't score. Daniel Jones, Greg, moving up. Justin Fields moving up. Michael Pinnock's moving up. J.J. McCarthy. moving up, Caleb's saying where he is. And I, like, again, I don't think Caleb,

I don't think Caleb's performance was anything like the guys on the row beneath him. But I, obviously, you like, right. Yeah, he was fine. There were concerning moments. We've talked about it. We'll talk about it more later. Fifth row, golf and Stroud.

The two quarterbacks, by the way, who remind me most of each other, like, Stroud's quarterback comp to me is golf. And again, we haven't seen great C.J. Stroud in a bit now. Yeah. It's a good point. We're not sounding the alarm, but it's moderately concerning. And also his postgame quotes about, you know, we were lollygagging.

He has a lot of profound come listen to what I've learned in my, you know, wise years in the NFL moments. Just play a little better. Dak stays where he is. I know his pastor rating was not good. I thought he was excellent in that game. Ron Rogers, highest spot on the mountain in years. Wow. Legitimately years, but he earned it with that performance.

Brock Purdy again, not going to drop him. He led the game winning drive. I'm also not going to uplift him, given the fact that he played three quarters of really bad football. Game winners are right. Well, again, I can't move into the top 10 brew on that, on that performance. Fourth row, Joe Burrow drops. I think that's fair. I discussed it.

I'm not going to drop them out. of the top 10, but he has to drop. Jaden was fine in a game we haven't discussed really at all. Jordan Love was excellent. And Gina, my God, Gino was sitting there dealing. Standing in the pocket, taking shots to the

tune of 360 yards against the Patriots secondary. That's supposed to be really good. Christian Gonzalez. Christian Gonzalez does not guard all all, all there's every spot. You guys are so good, you're cutting gibral peppers. You don't even need them. It must be a really good safety.

That we said VA one. Road three. Jalen Hertz moving up because we thought he played a great game on Thursday night, even with pedestrian passing numbers, but he moves up. Justin Herbert moves up after the best game of his life, in my opinion. Seriously, that's not like a backhanded compliment. That was a great game in a big, as big of a week one spot as you can have. He delivered. Matt Stafford stays where he is. Again, Matt Stafford standing there, finding guys throwing seeds doing Matt Stafford. Road to Lamar Jackson can't move them up, but can't obviously would never move him down.

He played great. Bake show. Bake show. Bake show. No left tackle on the road. Your toughest divisional game of the year, down late, no problem. Ameca Bucca, game winner, touchdown, bang. Bake show.

Not even Dark Horse MVP candidate, just an MVP candidate last year, real MVP candidate this year. And candidate for the number one overall seed, Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And atop the top of the first. Mountain, Josh Allen, one of the most perfect football games we've seen in recent memory from a player who is the defending League MVP. And above the top of the mountain, Patrick Mahomes. So here's the deal.

Usually when we get here, I'm just like, and of course at the top of the mountain, Patrick Mahomes, and I give it to you, Greg. But I would like to spend a moment on this because I just want a level of consistent. from the media at large. Okay. Concerns about the Chiefs, totally fair. I think the quarterback of the Chiefs has earned a greater than two-game margin of error, but maybe I'm wrong. Because I don't have to go back very far at all.

We don't have to go back to the MVP he won without Tyree Kill or older Super Bowls or anything. If we just go back to January of last year. That's not that long ago. When Mahomes, the chiefs were vulnerable, and they were a road team, and they were the underdog throughout the postseason. And then he outplayed Lamar and Josh and won the Super Bowl. The whole media said, I'm done doubting, Patrick. I'm done. And that lasted very, very short period of time to where he was like, why are they winning the games like this?

But in January of this year, after once again outplaying and beating. Josh Allen, the whole media said in January of this year, I, listen, I'm done arguing there's any quarterback better than this guy. And then in February of this year, this part of the show, not Greg, all had the same opinion. The Eagles have the better running back, offensive line, wide receivers, defensive line, linebackers, defense as a whole, and we're all picking the chiefs. You know why? Because they have Patrick Mahomes. Two games later, It's a controversial take. Two games later, we went into a game in February of this year.

If Patrick wins it, he has an argument to be the greatest quarterback of all time. 3P. Two games later, one of which the Charger game he played well in, people are like, ah, what's wrong with him? I think that's insane. He's obviously still the best quarterback in the league. He's atop the mountain. Greg Jennings, go ahead.

I appreciate it. Thank you for passing the baton. I'm going to address this really quick. Yes, Josh Allen should be a top of the top of the top of the mountain based on what we saw, especially in the fourth quarter. Team under duress, he put on the Cape again. Sorry, your Patrick Mahome. The home stuff was all great, but Josh Allen should be top of the mountain.

But let's focus on a brighter, even brighter note. Wow. Oh, my. This is what a performance. I mean, let me, let me, let me, let me set the table really quick. Because I know across for me, Bruis sitting here waiting to hear what I've got to say. Yeah. And we've all had friends.

We've all had somebody in our lives that we know in a relationship or has some type of relationship where it's like, man, what are they seeing that person? Like, I don't get it. We try to talk them out of it sometimes. And they just keep telling you, man, you don't see what I see. You just don't, you don't see what I see. I'm telling you. We're great together at times. When it's good, it's really good.

And week one, it was good. It was so good. I'm talking about Danny Dimes, top 10 QB week one. Yes, I say, all right, no, one week. Did he make top 10? One week? No. He didn't, no, he, hey, he's climbing.

He's climbing. He's in, he's in that 18th slot. If we're going left to right. I know it's not left the right, but I mean, hey. So it's fluid. It's very fluid. But look at these numbers, 75, almost 76% completion, three tutties. Who was saying he doesn't score touchdown?

I know one touchdown pass, but we don't do that with Josh Allen. We count all of them. So that's what I'm doing. I'm talking. He was one of the reasons why we were like, wow, the coach. And yes, they played the dolphins, but we weren't as down. down on the dolphins as we were to Colts. Correct.

Why? Because of Daniel Jones, we thought tool was better than Daniel Jones. No, no. This is why when you're in a relationship with someone, you can't listen to the outside noise. You gotta stay focused. Daniel Jones, thank you for showing the world why I'm loyal to you.

Keep improving, keep climbing. He took notice. You're on the mountain, because you were off last week. Greg, I mean, Drew, before you go, do you want to respond? I feel like you're the person. All I would say is keep that same energy. Keep that same energy. It's a rich tapestry.

That's what I'm sweet. Greg will luck out and be off the week, which is next week that Daniel Jones goes out there and has a Daniel Jones game. And coach will have to deal with it. Skype. No, he won't answer Skype. Skype. Skype. Skype.

Skype. Oh, Skype. Even I know. Skype still exists? No, Skype's out of business. What happened to Skype? They got their corners taken by Zoom. Same thing.

I understand. Listen, buddy, this is not, we're on the air. Skype? Like that. Or without just having a service for free. All right. Look, maybe I don't understand the mountain. Well, it's not left to race.

It's rich tapestry. I understand. Patrick Mahomes is still the best quarterback in the league. Okay. I stand by. I was the first to call him the boat according to Sports Illustrated. I stand by saying, that's not, no, Jordan called him Jordanesque according to sports. Is that what Sports Illustrated is about?

Yes. Jordanesque. Yeah. I'll take that that's the same same thing. Best ever. Same thing Jordanesque. Vote was the first to call him Jordanesque. He was definitively not the first to call him the best.

That's debatable. I'm in the discussion for that. So I love Patrick Mahomes. And I'm not, like, Nick, you said now people saying he's not, I'm not saying he's not the best quarterback in the league. And I agree that he carries the chiefs. But he can't be a top to me. Maybe I don't understand the mountain.

He can't be atop the mountain right now. He can't. Like, I don't think you think, and you might say, well, it's not based on one game. You don't think as much respect as you have for Baker, Herbert now, you don't think they're better than Joe Burrow, but Burrow fell. Patrick, he wasn't as bad as Burrow, obviously. But I just, Josh Allen, as Greg said,

should be atop the mountain. If the games, like, matter to some degree, like, if the present matters to some degree, then he should be up, up, up, above the mountain. He's in the top spot. He should be at the top. And here's the thing. Mahomes, these are where his numbers were

ranked league-wide after week one. He had the 23rd best completion percentage. 17th best pass rating, not even 90. Ninth best passing yards and the 15th yards per attempt. How can he be atop the mountain? This isn't one bad game in week nine after you've been great most of the season. This is this season starting out.

And again, I get he's the best quarterback, but if the current, like if what happens, the week to week matters to some degree. It does matter. But you agree with me that Burroughs shouldn't be off the mountain, right? No, no, no, no. Right, because Burroughs had enough of a margin of error. And I'm not saying, I just think Mahomes should drop a little bit. And Allen should be a number one.

Graphically, despite the fact that we have powers of AI, it doesn't, we can't show separation between the rows and get everyone on there. The gap going into this year between Mahomes and all the other best quarterbacks in football who always lose to Mahomes when it matters and get outplayed by him was like this. After week one with Josh's performance, it got smaller, hence why the only way I could visually show it is by giving Josh his own row. Because as Bruce said, while saying no way Mahomes can be atop, the best quarterback in the NFL is. Well, I think, but is that just what? Then how the top four should not switch.

Well, no, again, it's a rich tapestry. That's what I'm saying. It's a rich tapestry. And Joe Burrow, to me, his margin of error shrunk last year, didn't expand. I know everyone was wowed by the numbers. I don't, I think for Joe Burrow last year and then starting off this year by doing the exact opposite of last year, which is play poorly, don't have numbers but win. and folks are like, well, got the win. Like it feels like people are kind of trying to have it both ways with Joe Burrow.

Where they win, if they lose but he plays great, that helps him. He almost gets MVP votes. If they win, but he plays poorly and the offense doesn't do anything, well, at least they won. And so I was saying all off season, if someone wanted to make the argument that it was not a big four anymore, it was a big three. I was here for that. There was Mahomes, Josh. But you had a. And Lamar.

Yeah, I personally do have it. Yeah. And he drops, again, him dropping doesn't make me think you don't think he's the fourth best quarterback in the league. And Mahomes dropping shouldn't make. Again, Mahomes did. Mahomes, believe it or not. But he's going to be number one in all season.

Well, he's the best quarterback. I'm going to address that. Okay, good. Because I, I'm just baffled. That's all. I'm moving Jalen. I'm switching Jalen and Baker. Just immediately.

Okay. And I'm a bake show guy. I like Baker. Okay. But Jalen Hertz has now won 15 straight games. If we take out the game he lost. Take out the game that he was concussed in the first quarter. If you got hurt in the fourth quarter and lose the game, fine.

You get hurt in the first quarter. I'm not putting that on your record. But we do exclude week 16. So here's how he's been doing. Excellent. Wow. Now he's got a match up against the Chiefs and the AFC. See, how's he do against the AFC?

Longest active win streaks. Now they're great, granted, they're kind of cousins of each other. You have a long win streak. You're going to have a long win streak against the opposing conference. He's got nine. Jordan Love has five. Sam Darnold, shout out of Sam Darnold. He has five.

And then there's this graphic. And I will end this with a question. Hertz versus the Chiefs. He's on a two-game win streak, obviously. Team scores 32 points. He completes 69% of his passes. Yards per game, 3.20. It's the most against any team he's faced multiple times.

11 touchdowns, two turnovers, pass a rating of 100. I think it's three turnovers. Three turnovers. Sorry, I took one out. I didn't count that one. I didn't think it was. I wouldn't have corrected it, but I know you really want the podcast audience to get the right information. It's exactly right.

TV audience could see it was wrong. It's exactly right. I appreciate that. And all the loyal listeners do as well. If. And I haven't made my picks. I'll make my pick Friday when we're in. Live in Kansas City.

Power line district. Free for everybody. If Jalen Hertz beats Patrick Mahomes for the third consecutive time. Oh, okay. What? This is what I asked you to do yesterday. I'm asking the group. No.

Because I feel reluctant to say to all of a sudden be like, oh, is it pretty obvious that this guy is the best quarterback in the NFL? It feels strange. But I'm getting there. I'm slowly moving there. Okay. Oh, you've won six. 16 straight games.

So that you weren't concussed. You beat Patrick Mahomes, who is the best, who we use as the benchmark of greatness. So that, so that's, and you're on a two-game winning streak already. So you're asking the group. I will, we can go around the horn very quickly. If the, if the Eagles win Sunday, no. I don't think Jalen Hurts the best quarterback in football. You?

The best quarterback in football. You, who you think right now is Josh Allen. The Eagles won Sunday? No. No. No. Okay, now you. I'm not ready to say no.

I'm not ready to say no. One regular season, I get it. It's not just, it would be two regular season wins this year. And Josh, can you run the numbers on the Super Bowl? A Super Bowl MVP. So I'm not willing to just. But you never thought Stafford was the best quarterback in the league. No.

You never. But I'm in the hearing now. I mean, the holmes wins a lot of them. I thought Tom Brady was. He looked like a good quarterback. Russell will. Yeah, I don't, but honestly, seriously. KW. We were doing the shows together. I don't know that you did think Tom Brady was the best

quarterback in the league after they won the Super Bowl in Tampa. I think that you know what I mean? No, I think he, I think it proved that he was. Okay. All right. I think that that was like a definite like, whoa, this guy has something special. Here's the thing. If I think every quarterback, here's the crux of my argument, I feel like every quarterback on the mountain, and this is the intro that I do, needs to have a path to the top. Yes. Or else it's not fair. If guys are just stuck in the top, like, you know what?

Every time you come up, I kick you down. Everybody, hold on. Subscribe to that. Hold on. And if Jalen Hertz has won 16 straight games and is the reigning Super Bowl MVP, and he's not at the top of the mountain. Well, hold on. But you make a good argument.

I don't agree, but you make a good argument. But let's just take Mahomes out of it for a second. Do, is there anything Jailen? can do on Sunday that will make you Kevin Wilde say Jalen Hertz is a better quarterback than Josh Allen. Well, 100 touchdowns. If he had 100 touchdowns, I think he has the record. Seriously, this is why I this is no I I just want a path there. He has a path. He has amazing stuff. He has a saying. He does not have a path to get there by Tuesday. the next time we do this.

So what's the, when does he get a chance to get there? He's like a title fighter. Super Bowl? Another. I mean, another Super Bowl. I don't say. So I have two more than Josh and two more. There's something.

Three more appearances. You would say he's the, I mean, I guess his numbers, if his numbers were ridiculous this year, maybe. I think he has a bunch. This is, this is why I feel like, and I know we have to go that you are, and this is why I get so frustrated and I say, finish the thought. It feels straw manny because you're saying, I want him to have his respect. one of seven guys in the league to be top 20 the last three years by the players. You're saying, I want him to move up.

I want the Super Bowl to matter. He is moving up. He's behind Baker Mayfield. Okay. That I'm not even arguing with. If you want to say that I should flip Jalen and Baker, that's fine. So be it. But when you- And the question was, what happens when he beats Mahomes?

What? If Mahomes- He will probably move up. But I don't think the gap between Mahomes and Hertz is that close. And what frustrates me is, I don't think you do either, which is why you won't finish the thought. I'm a homes guy.

Exactly. And so you want us to do something you as the person presenting it won't do. I'm asking the question. See, this is what I'm saying. I'm beloved in Kansas City. You put on your host hat to ask questions and then you give a take. What are supposed to do? And you put on your take.

I didn't give a take. You're mad for not giving a take. I'm going to give him an answer if we had time. We don't. Because I'd say it's Super Bowl, but okay. But if he, his numbers are extraordinary. and they keep winning, like undefeated late in the season, then maybe moves up to the top of the mountain. Yeah.

If he wins on Friday, he's the best quarterback in the league. To be the best quarterback. The game we've all been waiting for, Eagles, Chiefs, Sunday at 4 on Fox, America's Game of the Week. Who will be crowned the best quarterback in the NFL? It's up for grabs. A lot of people are saying it on Fox. We got news, too. Are we?

Oh yeah, Jalen Carter will be playing. We're not discussing that, but we will discuss it later. A little bit later. Right now, bears lose. Danny Parkins, quite upset. That's coming up at five. Caleb was hot until he was not trademarked. Here he was post-game.

We felt like we were dominated game, like you said, and we were in control, up to two scores coming out of half. And that mentality is something that we have, something that we preach and that didn't happen today. And I'm not, it's not a play call thing. It's not anything like that. It's just being able to go out there and execute the plays that are called and be able to, you know, execute them at a high level.

And that's something that we take pride in, you know, today that didn't happen. Greg, what went wrong for the Bears here? Caleb. Caleb is exactly what went wrong. You heard them. It wasn't a play call thing. It was, it's a mentality, all the, all the things that. he just spoke to.

I had the opportunity to, obviously, we had Ben Johnson on a couple weeks back. And I asked him a question specific to Caleb, not pertaining his talent. We all know his physical attributes. We know what he is as an athlete. But how is he as a student of the game, understanding what it is that you're asking him to do?

And he answered it in a way that a coach would answer it. And here it is. It'll come on the field in due course. I think what we see and we really appreciate is his approach in this building right now. He's putting in more time and more effort than he ever has. Here's the thing. You see it. He has this natural instincts and ability to him.

And all we're trying to do is get him to see the game through our lens so that he can play even faster once we hit the grass. So I listen to that and I hear a coach that totally understands he's not there yet. And so he's answering the question the best way he can because he knows we got work to do with this young man. It's not just about his athletic ability because we saw that on full display early in the game up until half, even late in the game. It's when there's no more scripted plays and we need you to be able to be able to. to dissect what's going on, read top to bottom, the way that we sit in a meeting room and we talk about it. And when the guys are flying around, it's 11 defenders flying around and it's 10 of your

teammates flying around, can you still process the game the way that we're sitting in this meeting room and trying to get you to understand it? The way that we're having you digest it and you're re-communicating back to us, okay, I understand that. head. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got it. I got it. Well, as a coach, you then need to see that translate. And from the novice fan, and I thought Troy did a great job on the call because he was highlighting Caleb is playing good. He's doing some really good things. But even Troy knows as a quarterback, but there's things that he could be doing that he's not yet. And that could be concerning.

And it bit them. The fourth down play before the half. He misses the tight end across the middle of the field. Right here, or DJ Moore, he misses body language. Now, we talked, he talked about that. The body language started to change immediately. After that, in the third quarter, their first drive, we saw a different version of Caleb Williams.

trying to be a little bit more accurate, almost trying to press to get the ball in a spot versus just placing it. And when Troy was talking about what he was missing, I know a lot of people were like, well, he's supposed to do that. Well, you're playing like a robot because what Ben Johnson is going to tell you, and any young quarterback knows this, look, if it's not there, you have your checkdown. If it's not there, you have your checkdown. Well, Caleb was almost, it was like, as a receiver, I'm watching him.

And it was the picture was wide open. And yet it was like, I don't want to pull that trigger. I'm going to go to what's easy, what's safe. And to save face so that we can continue to progress as an offense. And I don't be the reason why we stall off. Well, it came to bite them because once they needed him to start throwing that ball down the field and making those reeds, he missed them. Ball started getting a little errant.

We started to see his emotions get the best of him. these are the things that a young quarterback has got to go through and there has to be some tough love. And if you are unwilling to own that as a player, there is no way you can truly grow if you don't own it. Look, I agree with everything you said. I thought that was well said. To illustrate what you're saying,

in the second half, Caleb was eight for 19, which obviously is below 50%, 98 yards. all right, in the second half. And we have numbers. ESPN said he missed, said 47% of his passes in the second half were off target. 47%. We have this graphic.

I think we'll get it up where, yeah. So this is expected completion percentage of the passes he threw, whether it's the defenders, the pressure that's on the quarterback, 73% of them were expected to be completed. He completed 60%. So you see his differential. Look at the. company from this week. I mean, Bryce, God bless him, but obviously

he had a terrible game and has been struggling in his career. And now Russ, who we feel is beyond his prime and pretty much washed. That's the company that Caleb was in as far as accuracy. So that's not a good sign. I will throw this in, Greg. I thought

the second half, Minnesota just really beat up the bears on the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. So in the second half, the Minnesota to rush for 85 yards. The Bears rush for 33. In the second half, the Vikings

had two sacks. They didn't have any in the first half. So I thought they started physically getting the best of Chicago in addition to Caleb struggling. Yeah, and I think that for me, you guys didn't even mention what was the worst part,

which is all the pre-snap stuff. They're so slow getting out of the huddle. Like the the coach stops talking to you at the latest at 15 seconds on the clock. You've got to be able to, so even if the coach is talking right up until the last second, you've got to then be able to communicate that in two or three seconds and break the huddle before you get to 10, especially if you're going to run an offense that's going to have a lot of

motion and a lot of, and they were just constantly, you constantly heard Joe and Troy be like, oh, play clock winding down. There was a play early on where Caleb, two, his credit recognized we ain't getting this off used an early timeout yeah right yeah i mean i that he had to do was bad it was i credit to him for recognizing using the timeout first half timeouts you can do that second half you can't the the timing motion to receiver over with three on the play clock it's like well that's just going to be a uh uh uh illegal for not a illegal for yeah illegal forecation penalty like those things and yes i am colored a bit wilds by reading that Tyler Donne article that talked about his struggles last year in processing and learning

the offense and about what a curb I think this is going to be for him. This type of talent to me is so unique and create such a high upside that you want to give, you want to get him the best head coach. I think they did and Ben Johnson of the available options. You want to continue to believe it'll click. But to be fair for a guy who thought because of his talent, he would walk into the NFL as a top 10 quarterback and then the guy who was taken one pick after him, Jaden Daniels, actually did. He feels behind schedule.

Oh, yeah. And that is, that's disappointing. Just quickly, Greg, how much of this is, we don't even have time for this question. Gosh darn it. What? It's an interesting, it's a very interesting question. What is it? How much of it is?

You know what? Ben Johnson, maybe you don't run the Ben Johnson office. Maybe you run the Caleb Williams office. That's fair. Ben Johnson seems like I'm going to bend 10%. It reminds me a little bit of like Tom Brady Ariens. And maybe it's not a fair comp. Oh, check out the podcast if you get a chance. We've really been trying to drive home our graphics and really super serving our audio listeners.

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Andy Reid said he's actually day to day, which seems surprising. Oh, are the chiefs in trouble if Worthy does not play? So, listen. I didn't love your tone a minute ago where you're like, I see this train come down the track. Someone's going to acknowledge that being without your wide receiver one and two could be a problem. Keyword somewhat. That wasn't about you.

Listen, it's obviously not ideal. And I think Bruce's thirst of seeing the light show is going to be delayed. You know what I mean? I do, though, think that, and I think you guys will agree, it is so different not having a player going in. into a game than losing a player at the beginning of the game. And this could actually be a defense of the Eagles defense. You know what I mean?

Like would they have looked better against the Cowboys had they known going into the game? Jalen Carter wouldn't have been there as opposed to we, so the, I know that the Chief's game plan for week one was Xavier Worthy was the fulcrum of it in the passing game. And so losing him off the back, And you saw it, by the way, second play of the game, they gave the ball to him. Third play of the game was designed to give the ball to him, and he got hurt.

So I think that this is not, in my opinion, why the line flipped from Chiefs minus one and a half to Chiefs plus one and a half. I think the Chiefs looked bad in week one. This may be moved to that point. Do I think they can win without Xavier Worthy? Yes, of course, I think they can win without Xavier Worth. Yeah, look, I generally make a rule never count the Chiefs out. I mean, it's just not smart business. But, I mean, I don't want to give away my...

I think Philly, I think they are in trouble with Al Xavier. I think... I don't want to say in trouble like they're going to get dismalished, but I think they're in trouble with or with Al Xavier. I'm interested in Tyquan Thornton. If Mahomes can make Tyquan Thornton work who came out of the... Shoot, I forgot where he came out of it because we drafted him. But if Mahomes can make him work and he has...

a nice catch. He's a speedy player who doesn't really love catching the ball. But if Mahomes can make it work, it's more. Well, listen, I mean, I think that my, see, so I don't think that'll be, I think it's going to be a lot more of what people don't like, which is the short intermediate. I think juju will be, you know what I mean, more involved. I think that. But also, to be fair, the one part of Philly's defense that I think is super reliable, is their linebackers. The kid they drafted in the first round, Jahad Campbell,

and obviously Vaughn kind of, you know, taking care of that middle. So listen, he's not going to play this week. It's a big loss. From New York, it's a girl that's going to be

in Kansas City on Friday. That's right. And because of that, it's not making any sharp observations or criticisms of Patrick Mahomes. That's not true. We're going to give our own takes. Not me.

You already did. I'm pulling punches. You said he, you said he is one game away. away from plummeting. I think I said that in the break, though. I didn't say it. Not anymore.

Also, the show that's been invited, the whole show has been invited to see the KC. Current play Saturday night. Now, I don't know if you guys still be in town. The women's soccer team, Mahomes is white bones a piece of where they invited all of us out. All right, well, you're in. I got to do this.

I got to tackle football. You got tackle football. Debutt. Uh, yes. Wow. I might want, I would come out to that if you would. He doesn't hang out outside of the show. You don't like this outside of the studio.

Danny has lived in New York for 11 months, has watched football with me. I told Danny he could park in my driveway. I said it wasn't going to be there. That's true. You invited him to your house because you weren't going to be there? That's true. Yeah, yeah, that's true. But we're going to watch football again.

I called Wilds when I was in his neighborhood and he was like, there's a decent bar about five minutes away. You can probably hang out there. Whoa. I'm not drinking during the week. Oh, wow. I just want to drink. I just don't get out with you. I'll drink enough for both.

Wiles does not even say hello to us on the plane. Yeah. So when we buy you're going to have a whole thing. He'll take a separate car by himself, walk through the separate security by himself, like wait, and then go sit in separately. He said hello to him once. He got ticked off. I just, you have to do a big thing to get one of my buddies from Boston. I hadn't seen him in.

I haven't seen him in five years. We went to the beach and we had a few beers afterwards. I saw for about three hours and one of my good friends for four years. I talked to you guys for 14 hours every week. That's not even counting. You can say hello on the plane. It's plenty.

Third hour first things for us today. Does anyone here have more faith in Caleb Williams? More would be tough. After he went 10 for 10. And there was like graphics on there best since 1978. It was great. Meanwhile, Danny's top 10, did the bills do enough to dethrone the Eagles? All we did is talk about the Eagles, bad defense.

Meanwhile, they gave up 40-some-odd points, so I hope they're not at the top. What do you mean? What? We haven't talked about the Eagles bad defense. We started up for four minutes on Friday. Privately. We were hanging out. Wild sounds.

But right now, we're dealing with the fallout from Caleb and Ben Johnson's debut. Danny? You were born and raised in Chicago. You went to Syracuse. You go back to your hometown to anchor Chicago radio for seven years. You had high hopes for Ben Johnson and this Caleb combination.

Take a listen to your head coach after loss, and then we'll hear your reaction. Disappointing way to start the season there for us. You know, we just have a 17 to 6 lead. and then see it go the way it did there in the fourth quarter. You know, we said going into week one that the team that would make the least number of mistakes would win the game. And unfortunately, we were on the wrong side of that.

Danny, the question is, should fans be concerned, but also are you concerned? Yeah, I'm very concerned. Wow. Thank you for asking. But I was concerned before. You have to understand. Bears fans come by our cynicism.

for quarterback play and general offensive production, we come by it very honestly. Like, I fall easily. I fell for Mitch Trubisky. Oh, yeah. I fell for Jay Cutler. You're putting Caleb with Mitch Trubisky and Jay Cutler? What I'm saying is...

What is happening? Wow. No. That's beyond Nick saying, I want to see other people. I'm not saying that he is that. I'm saying that I have been down this road before with coaches, with quarterbacks. I once saw Mark Trussman kick a field goal on second down. Inexplicable.

So it made Ben Johnson's decision to kick deep last night. I was like, I was fine with it. I've seen way worse. My point is, I'm prepared for any outcome to this story with Caleb Williams. And I think that's just because of last night. It's because of Bears fan cynicism that has been baked into me for nearly. So going into this season, you were like, I'm prepared for the outcome. But I will project confidence and,

inside I'm a wreck. I'm a mojured. But you got them winning in the second. No, no. In the playoffs as the seven team. But you also said that we know he's good. We do. He could be great.

So you haven't moved off that. I haven't moved off that. Listen, here's the thing. You watched that guy, you watched that player last night. You can't tell me that he's not talented, that he's not good. He, oh, talented, talented, talented and good. And I'm not saying, I'm not trying to say he's garbage because he wasn't like terrible last night. He was not at all.

He had moments for sure. I'm just saying we don't know yet if he's a good NFL quarterback. We know he's talented for sure. And I think that those things are close enough for me that I have just, it's going to take me a long time to abandon as much talent as he has. Because the guy who can make that throw to Roma Dunzee on the sideline where he can escape the pocket and roll right and throw the ball 150 miles an hour on a dime, that is a high level throw. that invokes Mahomes and Prime Aaron Rogers and Josh Allen. That's a 10 out of 10 degree of difficulty completion. So I'm not going to quit on that guy easily.

But the guy who misses the layup to DJ Moore over the middle on fourth and three. Layups. Well, no, for sure. I'm just saying he was 10 for 10. Then Ben Johnson's like, oh, my God, my offense is rolling. I'm going to have a pretty aggressive field goal v. Go for situation. and he goes for it because he trusts his offense,

and it's the first pressure throw of the game, and he misses it by five yards? Yeah, I miss that one by more. And he misses that one by more? It's like, well, what do I do with that? How can the same player make both mistakes? Like, both things. How do you complete the pass to Rome but miss the one to DJ,

and it's hard to reconcile? So that's where I'm at on it. I am, of course, concerned. I'm spiraling a little bit. Borderline terrified. But it is, it's alarming. It's alarming because he did the same thing last year. Well, you don't sound like, and I get where you're coming from,

you don't sound, though, like you're convinced he's good. Because you say I'm open to any scenario. He becomes a Hall of Famer or he's a bust. It's hard to say bust. But he's just a basic starter in the NFL. Sure. Like you're opening it. Well, here's the one that's not good.

Well, here's the comp that I'll make for you that I think for this particular group of individuals it'll land for you. Okay. What if he's Trevor Lawrence? Like, now we're crossing streams. But that's what it is. Trevor Lawrence is not a bust.

He's going to make a couple hundred million dollars. Nick will like this. I do, and maybe it'll be this way with Caleb, I don't know, two years from now. I do kind of feel the verdict is still out on, or jury's still out on Trevor? Like maybe, I mean, he was okay. Yes, because Trevor, again, you guys make fun of me.

The fact that year one was awful, we threw it on the coach. Year two, we got what he, we thought was a real coach and is Super Bowl winner in Peterson. And they make the playoffs, they win a playoff game. He gets, you know, late ballot MVP votes. And the next year started really well. You have enough that it's like,

Oh, okay, we saw it. There is the guy. So, yeah. So, like, I, but I think that if Trevor Lawrence is not a bust. But I'm with you, he's not a bus. I don't think he's great. Correct, but a huge disappointment. Yeah, I would agree.

So you are now open to huge disappointment for Caleb. But so, again, I think you're. Trevor Lawrence would be the best quarterback in the history of the Bears by far, just to be very clear. That was Sid Luckman's family. So for Bears fans specifically, this is confusing. So I get why you're a little confused, Brew, by what I'm saying. Like, the bar to clear for Bears fans is like Eric Kramer and Jay Cutler.

With respect, sorry. Who cares about Bears fans? We care about you Bears fans. Bears fans, but my point is, but is the bar of competing, having a quarterback that consistently competes for the NFC North, it felt to me like, and by the way, I was right there with you that that was locked in and my faith was shaken a little bit last night. Is your faith shaken in that? My faith last night.

Dude, I'm telling you, last night was a continuation of last year. That's a Ben Johnson conversation then. Well, it's day one with the new coach. Caleb Williams, I could edit together highlights from last year where you're like, wow, that's a Lamar Jackson play, that's a Patrick Mahomes play, that's a Josh Allen play. And then they also had moments where it was like, Ooh, that's a Will Levis throw.

Like, you know what I mean? There were, he was a wide variance player last year. And he was a wide variance player yesterday. I think, Danny, he looks like a great athlete playing quarterback versus a great, a quarterback who is a great athlete. Like, he, he, he. So far that's fair. And his comments talking about, well, we got out of the huddle. You know, just basic stuff that we don't hear any other quarterback talk about shows that he's a.

Let me throw this. You guys know I've been doing the cross sport comp. And I'm not saying he'll get, because this is obviously a great. Miguel Carrera. No. This is a great basketball player who will make the Hall of Fame as soon as he retires. Russell Westbrook. Oh, interesting.

Like incredible ability, athleticism, obviously some wild things. Now, I think you'd be happy if he becomes the Russell Westbrook. Yeah, that's one year where he wins league MVP. Yeah, yeah, right. And it may not with you a championship, but yeah. And no title. Yeah, kind of maybe like Josh Allen was when he was making a lot of the turnovers, you know, things like that.

But I just, Russ's problems always, you know, time and score, just the basic things or being a point guard. Maybe that's, I see a little bit of that right now, at least with Caleb. And what a turn of events. After one game? Well, I have a crazier turn of events. Well, you had him going to the Super Bowl. last year. He was on Mahomes Malin when he was in a Trojan uniform. Great uniform, by the way.

And this year, you had him high, but you're starting to sell some of your Caleb stock. And I was never a huge believer in Ben Johnson. Don't get me wrong. He did. No, you were a huge, that is incorrect. That's actually right. You were a huge believer in Ben Johnson. And then he had one offhanded comment. A little bit of hubris in Ben Johnson. Which, by the way, our entire show would be different. today if they hadn't completed that first and goal from the inch line. That was the most important pass of Caleb's career for our show. And I didn't read the substack, which has colored your opinion in a different depth than it has for me. I give more credit to Brian Flores' defense for some of the confusion.

And some of those passes. But he carved it last year. Caleb against that defense at his best game. Brian Flores had new wrinkles to his defense. I don't think he, I just think he's one of the best D.C.s in the league. And if Peyton Manning says, ooh, that got me. I think it's okay for Caleb. Also for week one, some of these guys were like, J.J. McCarthy, that's why you got rid of Sam Darnel.

Also, Sam Darnal didn't look good. Right decision. Joe Burrow, that was just a flute game. Tua and Mike McDaniel, that doesn't work anymore, even though we saw him lead the league in yards, that combo with Tyreek. You love that lead in Lerick. And Jaylen Waddell. But I'm saying we've seen Jalen Waddle, Tyree, Tua, and Mike McDaniel.

McDaniel work. It's like, well, now it doesn't work. Why? Doesn't one game? I'm more in the one game category. Let's figure it out. But Bears fans, and this is part of the problem, I think. The pressure of like, doesn't work.

Bejant was trending on Twitter last night. Okay. You guys are out of your mind. We don't have enough time to unpack what's going on with the backup quarterback's in Chicago. I'm with you. And I hope it's just one game. To me though, the guy who watched every pass of him multiple times last

year. That was like the 18th game. He'd 17 games last year. It was the same guy. All right. Before we move on, something has to be done here. And I thought, I, hand to God, did not know what Danny's take was going to be. And I thought I was going to continue my lifelong tradition of being a great friend. You are a great friend. Because I have had deep, deep guilt over the fact. that the audience may remember they may not. The first time Danny was ever on this show, back way before we ever thought Fox might hire him,

was the day that I said Caleb to the Super Bowl. And his friends and folks were like, your guy brings you on a show, you're the Chicago guy, and goes over the top and be like, land grabs Caleb Williams. So I was, I planned today to make it right. And now it seems like you might not even want it. Sorry, I got it.

Danny Parkins officially. the FDM Caleb guy. Danny, the crowd is yours, my brain. I am off the hook. Danny, Danny is here. He is from Chicago. He is officially the F first thing's first Caleb guy. No, you have Drake May.

I want it. Danny, you're officially the first thing's first Caleb guy. I don't know. You are. I want it. I'm just telling you I've been left at the altar so many times before. You guys do a lot of great relationship in that. Danny, I can press a button right now and drop it and cancel it or do you want it? I want it. I'm still Trevor.

I don't want it. But if Caleb comes out next week and has seven pre-snap penalties, send it to him. That's on me. Nick is off. Nick's done. Nick is off Caleb. He's going to play great against the Lions. Yes, he is.

On the Vikings side, JJ came alive in the second half, three touchdowns in the fourth quarter. Here's the Vikings coach after the game. There's no way to deny we don't win this game unless JJ plays the way he did in the second half and most importantly kept the belief of his football team behind him. And now we know it's possible. So, you know, you hope to not be in these circumstances very often. But, you know, this team's made of the right stuff. Okay.

Danny, your reaction to J.J. McCarthy's debut. Well, I saw J.J. McCarthy improve over four quarters more than I've seen any Bears quarterback improve over 40 years. It dropped that bit. He is so off the coat. That means it. No, come on. There's no Caleb guy on the show.

I am the Caleb guy on the show. But what J.J. McCarthy did last night was unbelievable. It was unbelievable. He hadn't played a football game in 609 days since the National Championship. His $100 million left tackle is out. His number two receiver is suspended. And in the first three quarters, he looked like how Bo Nix looked at the beginning of last year. Like, he should be out of the league.

It looks like how Bo Nix looked this weekend. But then in the fourth quarter, he joined this list. Three touchdowns in the fourth quarter is insane. Josh Allen, Jada Daniels, Lamar, Jordan, loved, Dak Prescott, and J.J. McCarthy in the last two years are the only quarterbacks to have three touchdowns in a quarter. This is just, we're just going crazy now. Hold on a second. What do you mean?

He did it in his first game. As a rookie on the road in the division with a double digit fourth quarter lead. I thought, hold on, what do you not like about that? That's just too much. That's just too much. It's factually correct, but it's too much. What? That you're tossing Caleb aside.

I'm not tossing Caleb aside. And now JJ McCarthy's on the graph. I'm not tossing Caleb. You really are. I'm not tossing him aside. Do you see the banner? The factually correct. All right, I'm glad we agree.

brought that can you put that back up christina if you get a chance if Josh gave me that graphic i would say better than Andy Reid and the same as john baton graphic but i don't do a lot of one game kw this is for all these guys this is impressive but the other guys have a have a resume built up he's not literally one game i am not at all it's just saying yes it is that's the subtext of graphics no i don't think this would be too much if god's remarkable that's too much I just that's a Troy special. You know what? That's a Troy.

Troy, I'm like, gosh, wouldn't even bring that. Troy's my guy. Hold on. KW. You don't, I disagree with you on that. And I don't even know that I believe in JJ McCarthy. But I think that it is noteworthy that in the guy's first game, he did something that has since the start of last season.

Look at it like this. Let me reframe it. Has only been done six total times. Let's just say we didn't. You know what I mean? It's the, it's the seventh. performance of three touchdowns in the fourth quarter by any quarterback since the start of last season. It feels like a lot. Well, I'm saying, so what did he prove? He proved that there's reason to

believe. That's like, what an unbelievable debut. Can I ask you an honest question? I know it. This is a perfect question from you. I know what's coming. This is a great question. I know. I'll be shocked if you nailed it. But do you wish the Bears had drafted J.J. McCarthy? I think we have to talk about something. Yeah. That's the question. Of course, I'm I'm riding with Caleb. No, I'm the Caleb guy. Who's going to have a better career? Caleb Williams.

Oh, I agree with that, by the way. Caleb. I agree. Yes. So you don't think that Caleb is going to be a much slower burn than I anticipated. That's what I think. His ceiling, if he realizes his potential, is multiple-time MVP. It took Josh Allen a long time.

How many multiple-time MVP are going to have? Caleb. I'm not sure. He's multiple. Mahomes got some more. Lamar has some more. John has some more. Braders.

Braden's got to get one. Baker's got to get one. Arch Manning if his shoulder heat is one. There's too many quarterbacks for multiple time. Stafford. Stafford's not going to ever get. So Stafford's never going to get one. Of course.

Oh, my goodness. He's got eight more out. Don't take Caleb away. Don't take Caleb away from it. News out of Philadelphia and the league office. Now, stay with us here. Jalen Carter has been suspended, but he was suspended and it was time served. So he will play against the Chiefs.

Ian Rappap. Can I just go? Go. He got suspended, but he is playing. I'm just going to read you. It's confusing. I am, by the way, I'm fine with this, but I would. And Florio, if you're watching, I would text you instead of doing it publicly, but I'm on the air.

Don't. I am. absolutely awaiting Floreo's 6,000-word treatise about how people around the league are wondering if the NFL did this to help ratings or as part of a conspiracy because if Chris Jones had spit on Justin Herbert

and got thrown out and then the NFL released the following statement which I'm going to read exactly Jalen Carter of the Philadelphia Eagles has been suspended without pay for one game for his act of unsportsmanlike conduct in last Thursday's game against the House Cowboys.

End of sentence. Next sentence. Because Carter was disqualified before participating in a single play, the suspension is considered to have been served in week one. I think that's fair.

And so by the, no, I also... I love it. So I also think it's fine. The only reason I'm saying it is, everybody just be honest with yourselves. If a Kansas City Chief had done something

that was suspension borderline and the NFL sends out a statement saying, the player is suspended for week two and he will be playing in week two the conversation about it being not rigged but you know what I mean

about the league office being in the chief's pocket or they only care about the ratings or whatever it is would be everywhere and I don't anticipate that's going to happen here that's all I agree with you I think that is undeniable I'm also glad he's playing

but I'm happy yeah I'm glad he's playing and I think it is fair it reads worse than actually is. I don't know. I don't really understand why they have to announce it as a suspension. I think it's the only way they can take that much money from it. To take a game check. It's like a CBA thing. But I also, he's missing the game check for this upcoming game. So he's playing for free against the cheats. He's playing for free. This is the spirit of the law rather than the letter of the law. And I like that. I'm fine with that. I honestly God,

I'm fine with it. I would have been fine with them being suspended. I said earlier, I think the fact that a Florida, a college football player spit on a guy this weekend actually worked against him like it might have tilted skills against him. But he did miss a game. He should, you know, I want to see him out there. But the optics of it are not lost on it. It would be interesting to see how the Eagles defense response. Did they actually have problems or was that just Jalen Carter's absence?

Yeah, he makes a huge impact. I think it's both. I think you saw that his, I think the Cowboys running as effectively was a Jalen Carter thing. I think the Eagle's secondary being bad was not so much. A lot of time for DEC back there. No, that's true. Yeah. He's a top five-ish defensive player in football.

He's excellent. Where do you think Jalen Hertz ranks? On defense? Not very high. Good answer. Where do you think Jalen Hurts ranks? In top five? Where is he?

What number? Mount Rushmore. Put him on the mountain. Danny Parkins, Greg Jennings, Willie Colon here for top 10. Tuesdays, week one of the NFL came to a close. It was upsetting how it did. Did? No, it did. No, it was not. Okay. I suppose that is a matter of perspective. Thank you very much, Greg Jennings.

But at this time every week, we are going to give my top 10 teams. And then Greg and Willie Colon will say, oh, Danny, that was absolutely perfect. And they will have absolutely no remod. So let's get to the list. And we begin with number 10, the Detroit Lions. This is as low as I can have my preseason Super Bowl team. It's in the fine print. I don't make the rules.

I just enforce them. And I guess I do because it's my top 10 list. That was the fewest points the Lions have scored in a game since week seven of 2023. The interior of the offensive line was concerning. The defense was concerning. Everything about it was concerning. And if they lose to the Bears, they start 0 and 2 with two losses in the division, and then they can fall out of it.

But for now, the lines hang on fairly to the 10th spot. At number nine, it's the Cincinnati Bengals. They won a game and they always start slow, but starting slow with a win, better than starting slow with a loss. I looked it up, it makes sense. But that, I mean, when you get out gained by nearly 200 yards, against the Browns, it's not like you're going to rise in my rankings. And they were number six for me preseason, so they actually dropped even off a win all the way

down to number nine. Number eight, the Pittsburgh Steelers. There we go. I had them at 10, higher than most people in the national media coming into the year. And I'm going to say, offense is not going to be that good. We're not getting four touchdowns and zero picks from Aaron Rogers every game, but it was legitimately promising against the talented Jets defense. And I'm assuming that defensive performance was an aberrower.

I hope so. If it Jacksonville lights them up this week and the defense gives up 30 points again to Trevor Lawrence after doing it to Justin Fields, we can revisit this. But I'm assuming outlier for the defense, good sign for the offense. At number seven, the Washington commanders moved up one spot, so right around where I had him in the preseason rankings. Their offense looked like they picked up right where they left off from last year. They were the only team in week one to have 200 passing yards and rushing yards in week one.

Like that was a against the Giants team that we were like, oh, is the Giants a top five front seven in the NFL? Like their offense looked really good against a really tough defense. So I was overall impressed with Washington. Coming in at number six, the biggest jump for me, the Green Bay Packers. Colin had him at one. That's too much of a week one overreaction for me as a guy who had them out of the playoffs. But no team in the NFL made a bigger statement. So this is a huge jump for me from where I had him before the year, which was more of the middle of the pack team.

Jordan loves a streaky player. He started the season on a good streak. Number five, my Los Angeles Chargers and Justin Herbert. Although then the Packers, the best week one showing with what they did on a neutral field against the Chiefs, Justin Herbert's best game of his career, year two of Harbaugh. There's really nothing more that needs to be said about this. That was an incredible performance for them in week one. And this is as low as I can drop the Kansas City Chiefs.

So I'll put the Chiefs in at number four. They can go lower if they lose to Philly. They can go lower if the offense doesn't bounce back. But you open the season, neutral field, lose to the chargers. Weird things happen in the game. You're the chiefs. You get a ton of benefit of the doubt from me. There was a time when I would have had them at number one,

no matter what happened in a regular season game. But when they lose a Super Bowl and then you lose this game, I'm willing to drop you to number four. Number three, the Baltimore Ravens. Because for about 50 minutes, you looked like you were number one. with a bullet and then you Baltimore Ravens all over yourself. It was crazy. I mean, Lamar and Henry and Zay Flavre.

It is. They ravens did up. It used to be you Clemson to game away. Now it's you Ravens the game away. I have no idea how they let defeat snatch itself from the jaws of victory, but the Ravens did it again. Number two, the team that beat the Ravens, the Buffalo Bills. Had a legit argument for them at being number one. That was clearly the game of the week.

They were unbelievably impressive. Josh Allen is a deserved MVP favorite off of that game. Huge questions, though, with the bill's secondary. We'll see how that continues this week to see if the Jets put a big number on the board. But the champs come in at number one. It wasn't a great week one performance, but I'm going to apply the same standard to the Eagles that I did the Chiefs last year. Until the champs lose, I'm not dropping the champs from the one spot. So there's my top 10 list on a top 10 Tuesday, Greg Jennings. Perfection, I assume? Definitely not perfection. I'm not totally against the list, but I'll

highlight the sixth slot. The sixth slot. Yeah, the Packers. Yeah, absolutely, the Packers. Because I feel like when I talk to you, I have to take it from an understanding and a perspective of, you know what, this is a little bit of NFC North bias that you provide. Even though you talk it up. You talk it up.

No, no, because you talk. Hot kettle. You talk it up. Well, you didn't even have them in the top 10. That's true. So you talked about. oh, well, I moved them up six. This is the biggest jump of all the teams.

I don't want to hear that. They had the best showing. You even said it when you were talking about them. And so for me, when I think about a team in the NFC that took down a team in the Lions that almost everybody unanimously has them at least one or two in the conference. Representing the conference come end of year. And to handle them in the manner of which they did, this team was impressive. And this was with sprinkles of Michael Parsons on the field.

And we saw how impactful. One snap in the first quarter. Yeah, we saw how impactful he was. Jordan Love played a tremendous game. We saw, I shouldn't even say a tremendous game. He started hot. He was very efficient and effective. He didn't have to do much.

And that's exactly what you want when your defense is playing this hot and this strong and making a statement. They made the biggest statement. So, yes, rightfully so, they should have had the greatest jump. Yeah, for me, it's the Chargers swapping with the Baltimore Ravens. And I know some people are like, what are you doing? There's no doubt that Baltimore has its use. But Jim Hallboro has a plan and Herbert provides the answer. And the reason for that is because elite quarterback in a situational football travels. We saw it. Was it third and 14,

game on the line. They needed a play to meet had. What did Justin Herbert do? Take off for 19 yards, ice the game. Relative to what we saw out of Baltimore, fourth down, knee three yards, a minute 33 on the clock. Who do you get the ball to? We don't know. You end up punting. That's a problem, especially if you're going to be in the top five. And what's crazy about that, go back three years ago, and I know you remember, Danny, Baltimore Ravens versus Chiefs, right? Four Fem one, Harbaugh runs off the field. Lamar, do you want to go for it? What does Lamar say? Yeah, go for it. They seal the game. How have they regressed to the point where that's no longer a question? You got your best player, obviously the best quarterback this franchise has ever seen, and you punt.

And you give it to a defense, by the way, who's getting cooked by Josh Allen. So I'm disconnected and I'm frustrated because the brand of football that we love for that many a time, there was a complete disconnect between Lamar Jackson and the hallball. And at the end of the day, that's bad. So I'm going with the charge in a three hole. I like Herbert. So I mean, listen, I respect it. I obviously have been a Justin Herbert guy ever since I first saw him throw football.

And I thought it's a beautiful throwing. It's a perfect spiral. I mean, how do you not fall for it? And then he finally has this game. My problem with that is, like, I still, I think the Ravens are better. I'm not going to sit here and defend. Overall. Yeah, it's a better roster, better team, more talent.

I am not going to defend John Harbaugh punting in that spot. How you can you not? No, it was insane. You have three options. You have a three-headed dog in our office between Henry Lamar and Mark Andrews. You have options. Well, yeah. And generally speaking, if the game is 40 to 38 and the idea is, I'm going to punt.

and trust my defense. It's probably not, like, you trust your defense if the game is like 17 to 10. You're right. If it's a defensive game. But when it's 40 to 38 and you're like, I'm going to punt instead of gaining three yards, probably a bad decision and he would want that one back. I know Lamar said he was cramping, all that. I don't think Harbaugh knew that at the time.

It's not enough. He saw him grimace. But it's not enough for me to flip those two teams. But, hey, I'm just glad that we agree that the charge was top five. I will say this. I was shocked where you had Detroit. because after that showing, from what I understood, you had them pretty high from starting the season.

Oh, yeah, top five. Yeah. They were top five. It dropped to 10. Yeah. So the Lions thing for me, they, the Packers traded away Kenny Clark. The Lions came into that game as a running team. And Gibbs and Montgomery couldn't run the ball.

Like that is an alarm bell situation. It's one thing to run into a Buzzsaw, Micah Parsons, Jordan Love had a hot game. But you should be able to turn around and hand the ball off. And they couldn't do it. And so that to me was, oh, wow, like how much of a loss was Ben Johnson for them? And maybe it's just one game. And they'll run for – I was going to ask. And they'll run for 200 yards against the Bears.

And then I'll move them right back up. But that was a no-show. It's one thing to lose. But to lose and score less than 14 points when you're the Lions, that was a legitimately concerning performance. I mean, some are saying they were playing the best team in football. Yeah, you are saying that. I didn't say that.

You are the person who's saying that. And my apologies to the Rams. That was the one I really struggled with. So the Rams right now are number 11. One more big game, and you'll jump right back in there. And you might have control of the NFC West because there's a lot of injuries in San Francisco. Too early to panic? I don't know.

We'll discuss for the Niners next. All right, contractually obligated to talk about last night where my Bears had an 11-point lead in the fourth quarter. And then they lost 27-24 to a guy making his first start in 600. 109 games. Caleb Williams was good and then he wasn't. Here's Caleb Williams on his week one performance. I think there was a lot of good there. Our communication, you know, I think he was getting the plays in, you know, fast.

And I've been able to get out the huddle, you know, we need to be better with that. And I've been able to get up to the line, make checks or whatever case may be. But, you know, I think, I think it's a growing process that it's, you know, it's going to keep growing from here. the start, this is the start, but definitely not to end. Okay, so people, are you the Caleb guy? Are you in? Are you out? I'm a Caleb guy. I'm a Bears guy, but I said earlier, I fell for Mitch, I fell for Justin. I just want to believe that eventually the Bears will have a competent quarterback. But you guys played with a lot of different players of different skill sets at the quarterback position in your football careers. And I want you

guys to help me out with something because I obviously never played football. I want to show you guys three plays from Caleb Williams last night. And then you guys are going to help me out. The first play is this throw, he escapes the pressure, he rolls right, and he fires the ball 150 miles an hour to Roma Dunesay on a dime. Great play. Then he's completed 10 in a row to DJ Moore, who's wide open on fourth down, and he airmails it and hangs his head. And then there is one down the left sideline, wide open, DJ Moore's number one receiver, first read, looking at him, wide open, touchdown, easy, airmails it by five yards. And we'll show you the plays on the loop.

How is the guy who makes throw A? Roll right, insane, Aaron Rogers, Josh Allen, Patrick, how is that guy missing throws like that? And I am convinced that Brock Purdy, Sam Darnold, fill in the blank, replacement level skill set quarterback, makes those throws to DJ Moore 95 times out of 100. and they missed the throw-o-a-rom-Dunese, 95 times out of 100.

He's the magician who could pull the rabbit out of his hat but can't tie his shoe. I don't understand how the same player, how that's the same player. I don't get it. So there's three types of quarterbacks. There's a quarterback that can play from the pocket. There's the quarterback that can play from outside the pocket.

And then there's the quarterback that can just do both. Okay. Those are the elites of the elites. And what you're seeing is a quarterback that's more comfortable getting outside the pocket, playing off schedule, and making tougher throws. It seems odd. But on this, this is an on schedule timed throw. He struggles.

If you watch Caleb film, he struggles when it's just, Caleb, we just want you to drop back, hit your target. He struggles in that. This is another one. But isn't that the easier stuff? You would think it is. I do think it is. But for someone who thrives on almost freelancing. backyard football, being off schedule, and not having to now think.

Because you've got to understand, when you are just dropping back, there's a lot that you have to dissect. When you cut the field in half and you get out the pocket and you cut the field in half, now it's just you're reading one guy. You're reading the defender and it's my receiver going to uncover. Got them. Make a throw. Like it's weird. But the elite guys that you talk about, Brock Perth,

He's not the elite guy. He can do one, probably not both, at a high clip. The elite guys can do both at a high clip. Caleb, he struggles with just the simple, on schedule, correct. Well, I say this, listen, there's enough blame to go around. We all watch the tape. But I go back to my time as an office lineman. When I was brought to the New York Jets in 2013, I was there to be an anchor

and add extra protection for a young Geno Smith, right? And one of the things that was emphasized to me in the Nick Mango, the Brookershaw-Fergerson, was get this young man comfortable in the pocket early. So he could step in the throws, we could be fishing in the run game, and we can get momentum and rhythm. You're talking about an office line who have two new additions in Tunney and Jonah Jackson, right? Andrew Dalman, three. Right. This young man was pressured 15 times yesterday, right?

They had 12 penalties. When you talk about this offense as a whole, as we looked at it, man, I think part of the reason why we saw those in errant throws and he looked erratic and unhinged because he never was comfortable because the office in line didn't help him. When you got a young guy like that who you know, and we talked about behind the curtain, you know his game is outside the pocket. But that's not Ben Johnson's office, right?

It's in the pocket. So if you're an offensive line, you have to now take pride for this kid to be who he needs to be for this franchise. We got to keep him in this bubble and we got to keep him sheltered. So there's a disconnect from that offensive line because they have to have a more heightened awareness. For us to be what we need to be, we got to keep them in there and we got to protect them.

So my rebuttal to that would be, well, look across the sideline and see what was happening there. We saw JJ being pressed. We saw him struggling. We saw the offensive line kind of collapsing and him having a hard time, you know, standing up in the pocket. It wasn't clean for him to start. But you also saw a young man that progressed. That was a guy. Exactly.

And still was able to hit those on time, rhythm throws when they needed him to. When it's needed the, you know, you know, mentioned the layups, you got to be able to make those throws. Early in Lamar Jackson's career, he would miss some of those throws, and which was why we questioned him as a thrower. He improved every single year.

We can't see those mistakes continuing to show up week in and week out with Caleb. And my point is the office lines got to help him out. We watched that fourth quarter. Everything's in his lap. Right? You talk about stepping in their throws, feeling comfortable. The kid, I mean, at one point, he almost hits his hand on his center's helmet.

So, I mean, there's, Caleb wasn't great, sure, but this office align has to step up and help him out. 17 more. Meanwhile in San Francisco, news for the 49ers is that tight end George Kittle is on the IR with a hamstring injury. He'll miss at least four weeks. Brock Purdy now uncertain for the matchup against the Saints. Simple question here, boys.

Too soon to panic for the Niners? Yeah, I think so. But I said it before, man. They paid a lot of agent superstars. I mean, George Kittle just went down with a hamstring. Purdy's dealing with the toe. I know he's a little young. But overall, man, they have issues because who's the next man up?

Do you lean on Brayette, what's the name, Braden Willis? Or who's going to be the guy that's kind of move this offense? I don't know what you get out of Mac Jones. Like, I don't think much. I don't know what to think about it. But you're the San Francisco 49. The only thing that you have a bright spot is the fact that you play the Saints and the Arizona Cardinals down the road.

Right? And you just hope that when those guys clear, Got a shot at the Cardinals? Yeah. You're Cardinals guy. The big Cardinals got over him. But my point is, like, you can survive those games, right? But it gets harder after that.

So, yes, you panic. You panic. Now, internally, of course, they're not going to panic. Players do not panic in the locker room, sure. Fans, you see a team that you historically have seen when we don't have successful seasons. It's what looms large is injuries. And now here we go again. Kiddle, we don't have the luxury of goods that we once had on the perimeter and skill positions.

So now all of a sudden you lose Kiddle, who's a huge factor in the run game, huge factor in the passing game, safety net for your quarterback because Brandon Ayuk isn't available. Love what we're seeing out of Ricky Pearson, but we don't know if the chemistry is going to continue to progress. We hope. And then the quarterback, well, we paid him. So the idea of when you pay a guy is that they were overcome some of these issues that you have. Well, we've seen Brock Purdy in this situation last year and it didn't equate to wins. Now we're going to have a chance to potentially see it again.

It doesn't feel good. It feels like the same music is about to be playing in San Francisco. This is when you have to knock on Shanahan's door. You got to draw something up to carry this team for the next two weeks. Well, listen, and he's one of the five best coaches in the NFL. To me, that's why their floor is. as high if they are even remotely healthy is because I have such faith in Kyle Shanahan to get production. But now they have lost some of their depth and they're not healthy. It's a bad

combination. So would you, would you panic? I don't think, I don't think a team that won its first game and then is playing the Saints is panicking in week two. So it's not, I don't, I don't panic in week two when I have that guy as my coach. But in general, that team is going to, I think, have a very high floor. I just, I just believe in their coach that. I believe in their coach that much. It can be a good thing, but it can be detrimental too, because you lose to the Saints. Sure. The bottom could fall out quick. Where's the bottom?

Where's the panic? Jalen Carter, he's playing. Xavier Worthy? We'll see. Super Bowl rematch on Fox. All right, we're going to Kansas City. There's a big game. And Xavier Worthy is now day to day, which really is a best case scenario.

I have that collision with a much larger man in drafts Kelsey. We're going to be there at Power Light. I cannot wait. My mom's family's from KC. My wife's family's from KC. I did radio there for almost eight years. Cannot wait to come back to KC. Have some Boulevard and some Jackstack.

The question is, do the Chiefs need Xavier Worthy for the rematch? And I would say they would like to have Xavier Worthy for the rematch. But they need defensive reinforcements that are not coming. I don't think Xavier Worthy is the difference between winning and losing this game for Kansas City. can the Chief's defense figure out a way to slow down Jalen Hertz in the offense? To me, maybe you disagree, is a bigger piece of this than Xavier Worthy? Well, when you watch what the charges were able to do, and they don't have as many weapons as we can recall right off top of mind as the Philadelphia Eagles,

yes, that would be obviously a concern. But selfishly, I want to see Xavier Worthy. So do I. I want to see that. You want to see them out there. Yes. We're going to get Jalen Carter out there. The league wants to see it. I mean, if...

Xavier, were they had the touchdown in the Super Bowl? Absolutely. Yeah, for me, I think it comes down to, you talked about the depth, but I think when you go back to the Super Bowl, the Chiefs felt like they had the answers to the Eagles run game and how to stop it. It failed, right? Because if you try to collapse the A gap or you try to collapse the C gap,

you saw Jaylon Hertz run out and get yards. The biggest issue right now for the Kansas City Chiefs is, what do you do if you neutralize Chris Jones? What happens? Well, we'll find out from Kansas City. And the good news is the Bears can't lose a game tonight. So that's progress. It is progress.

We'll be back tomorrow.