First Things First - Wildes' Pats in Mud Room of Destiny, Brou's message to Ravens, Eagles in trouble?

Episode Date: October 6, 2025

(00:00) Patriots are on Doorstep of Destiny, are the Eagles in trouble? (28:25) What grade do Cowboys receive, surprised Brou's Ravens are this bad? (42:30) Bigger story: Broncos' win or Eagles' loss? (50:52) Are Bills the class of the AFC, Cowboys grade (01:13:24) Are Bucs best in the NFC, Colts legit AFC contenders? (01:27:33) Will Mahomes land on Brou's Ballot? (01:34:14) Is Eagles or Bills loss more concerning, Stock Up/Stock Down (01:57:32) Time for Ravens to hit the panic button, Lions most complete team? (02:06:54) Bad sign for Josh Allen, what Baker proved in statement game (02:16:22) Who wins MNF: Chiefs or Jaguars? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Drake May is on the doorstep of destiny. What's the destiny? To take over from Josh Allen and reclaim the AFCs that is rightfully ours. Doorstep of destiny. Also on the doorstep of destiny. Oh, Stefan Diggs revenge game? Next week, next week, holy cow. We're on the doorstep of destiny.

And the Patriots, yet again are on the doorstep of destiny. Drake May is the quarterback of the team of the doorstep of destiny. It's revenge season for Stefan Diggs back in Buffalo. I'm just letting everybody know we're on the doorstep of destiny. Oh yeah, sorry, Pucketani Football is here to say, we're back on the doorstep of destiny. Live from New York, it's a show that's currently behind the doorstep of destiny. What is this? I just want to hammer home that I was right about absolutely everything.

Come in? Who is it? Oh, it's the team of the 21st century, as it is. We're on the doorstep of Destiny, now we're out. We've entered the foyer or the mudroom of Destiny. As we are back, maybe Super Bowl contenders, maybe the cream of the crop of the AFC East. I am just on an epic, epic run of being.

I feel like I feel like you a little bit for the last three years. The last 96 hours for you have been like what, yeah. Through the doorstep of destiny. Run it again. He's going. It's twice. We're back through. We're back to the doorstep of destiny.

I'm happy before you, K done. Oh, wow. In me. Why are you taking a shot? I don't know because I'm back to being myself. I'm finally free. Had to be able to play the nice guy. for years. Now I can be my jerk self.

It's the first hour. First, things first. Today, Josh and Jalen, undefeated no more. Should we start to worry about the bills or the Eagles or both? Meanwhile, last week, Brew came in on a stretcher. How sick did this Ravens blowout make you? Brew? Don't answer now. Well and good. And finally, another win for the Cowboys. Are we starting to think about the playoffs in Dallas alongside Nick Wright? I'm Kevin Wilds. Brew, how'd you like the doorstep of destiny? Congratulations, Wilds.

I'm happy for you. I am to say more than a little bit. I am happy for you. Thanks. I feel like, you needed this W. I know, but I actually like prefer to be the underdog. And now I have to carry the show. No, that's just a lot.

You don't worry about that. The Germans aren't good. The Chiefs are mediocre. It's all on me. You had another correct thing. Maybe. We'll see tonight. About what?

Those 37 points the Chiefs put up. I'm not so sure how impressive it was now. I mean, you got to get at least 40 against my ravens. I mean, there'll really be a great offense. My goodness. But we are starting the first hour, first things first. On the doorstep of Destiny, Drake May throws for almost 275.

Stefan forced, you know, Stefan grabbed 10 passes for 146. The Patriots forced three turnovers, walk out of Buffalo with the W. Here's Stefan on the atmosphere in upstate New York. It was lit, like, you know, prime time. I played here before. I've been on the other side. It was just electrifying, and I knew that it was going to be a test for us. Like, obviously with the guys that we got and, you know, you know,

we all knew to each other. I think nine new starters compared to 11 or office. So going into a hostile environment and the biggest thing is just the fundamentals and being violent. You know what you're saying? Like be the aggressor. It's going to be a hostile out there. You know, that's a great football team. So trying to take the fight to them.

Steph, what does it say about the Patriots? We won the game. He's locked in. If anyone wants to go through the doorstep of destiny, feel free. It's like a spot. You come out there feeling great. What did the Patriots prove? They now have to make it.

the playoffs. Oh. That's how like so prove I guess maybe I'm not you know grammatically answering the question but they prove to me that anything short of finding away into the playoffs and this year's AFC

now would be a disappointment. Their next three games are Saints Titans Browns. Later in the year they still have three left against the Jets and Dolphins. They are a in my opinion solid team. Going into the year, I thought they could make the playoffs,

but it was partially because I thought they could be solid and partially because of the schedule. Now the Bengals are no good too. Right. So the Bengals are no good. We'll see, honestly, not poking, what the Ravens are. Ravens in Week 16 might be the scariest team in the league because they might have to run the table to get in,

or they also might have packed it in. Right. So that, but they, I now, if I were you, I would today feel two overwhelming emotions. One is just excitement and vigor because to me that was your guys' best win since Tom Brady was your quarterback. Because even the Mack Jones year

you guys made the playoffs, at least for me, maybe not for you, felt like, okay, this is a cool story, but this team has a pretty hard ceiling. So I would feel that, and I would feel the most exciting feeling in football, which is now every game really matters. Now, like you have the angst of, if you were to lose to the Browns in three weeks,

you're sick to your stomach for four days because the stakes really matter. But that's a fun feeling. So I'm happy for you in that regard. I think they're a good team. I think they're a solid, good team. Take it. Are you ready for me to go? I would love it.

Let me reiterate how happy I am for you. Okay. Because you got a win and you haven't had one in a while. This feels like when you say you like Gen O. Smith. What did the Patriots prove yesterday? It pains me to say this. Nothing! Not a darn thing.

Why? About the door something? You know what? Maybe they prove something. Okay. Okay. That nobody's going 17 in a year. The bills were going to lose to somebody. Unless you think I'm just trying to purposely reign on your parade,

let me bring some perspective. Okay. Last year you started the season beating Joe Burrow and the Cincinnati Bengals. Yeah. That was. How that worked out. That was week one. Week one is a liar.

Was it week one two years ago when you also beat the bills? And then what would you guys go? Four and thirteen that year? Most years. And the Jets, the Jets beat the bills that same year on national TV in the standalone game when Aaron Rogers got hurt. So this will help you.

Just bring it down a notch. Because all I'm saying is divisional games especially are tough. hard nose games. Yes. And so I'm just saying like they proved that the future could be bright. Drake May looks like the real deal. Yep. But two years ago when you beat Buffalo,

guess what Mack Jones did? 25 for 30. 272 yards, two touchdowns, 125 pass a rating. You look at all. like you got a good coach. All right. So you look like you could do something. But go ahead.

You know what? Go beat New Orleans, who actually played pretty well yesterday. Go beat New Orleans. Okay. Go beat Tennessee. All right. And go beat Cleveland.

When your next three games. And then maybe I'll start taking a Patriot's sex. I think by the way. That's fair. I think that's fair. What he said at the end. Yeah. Take care of business over the next three.

I mean, it's a good win. Don't give me. I'm not trying to get a good win. but y'all did it two years ago well can i go through some stuff i feel like the every question has been answered about drake may that's maybe a bit every recent spy yeah but it was like i don't know it's jaden's obviously number one like is he now caleb's going to make the run bow nicks is going to be better i don't know are we sure drake may is not the best quarterback in the class we're not sure of that we're not sure who the best quarterback

No, it's, it's just, I mean, right now, I think you would still, people would still have Jaden right now. I think it's, no, but I think right now Drake probably would be too for most people. I think for most people would go, it go Jaden, Drake, and then, you know, I would say Caleb, some people like Boe's. Right. But the, but yeah, but I think he's a firm too. Yeah. And that's positive. I feel like this question, no one believed in this guy except the Patriots front office and me and Cardi.

And Stefan Diggs. It's the first back-to-back 100-yard game we had since Hall of Fame adjacent Julian Edelman. First three games getting warmed up. Last two games, he's gone over 100 yards both times. He had 146 yesterday. The pre-game interview, the only interview I can compare it to was Dan Lannning after the Penn State. I thought the same thing, KW.

He is covered in sweat, minutely, financially, focused, yes, like ready to like be shot out of a cannon. So can I, I want to let you, I just want to add, because I wrote down Diggs. That to me is one of the biggest questions about this game. And I know he had a good game two weeks, the week before. But was this, you know, a once great player channeling his, you know, what, you know, the last A triple plus game of his career because of who it was against him where it was? or was it a once great player who's now healthy,

and now you have a number one receiver? Because that to me is a question, but if you get 80% of this digs moving forward, it's massive. And quickly wise, I know you got a lot of stuff. This is what he did for Josh. Now, he was better then, of course, but he great receiver coming in with the young receiver and taking that or young quarterback and taking him to the next level.

And so far, he's helping Drake that way. It sounds ridiculous, I was talking upstairs. Like Drake had a great game. If he doesn't catch those, Drake doesn't have a great game. Correct. We lose the game. We haven't had a guy who can catch the ball, make great catches. And finally, Brew, what's the ceiling?

I'll ask you. Here are our, I'm taking out week one. Just lose the Raiders game, call it, you know, the extra preseason game that we lost. Well, it does. It actually counts. It does count. But the ratings are horrible. Since we, you know, you can say like since we, you know, Christian Gonzalez get back, whatever.

We're at six in points, seventh in defense. Drake takes past ring is fourth and we're, you know, we can get first down. I think we'll all agree on what the ceiling is. I think we will all agree. I think the ceiling and I think you would be over the moon. The ceiling is be the highest ranked wild card. and go to either Pittsburgh or the AFC South winner of Indy falls off and win a playoff game. I would take it.

And make the divisional round and then lose to a grown-up contend, you know what I mean? A grown-up contender, an experienced team. I think that is. I agree. Do you think that's the ceiling? That's a nice ceiling. I just think there's an element of like vibes on this team. I don't know.

I got a lot of recency bias. But in the locker room, it was Stefan and our rookie kicker who is like, we almost... That thing would have been good from 85 yards. Unbelievable. That might have been the greatest pure kick I've ever seen. Fives are really interesting in New England. Fives are always great after your best win in a half decade. That's true.

And so I just, I don't want to temper enthusiasm, but I think we all agree. And I think that would be an amazing year. If we are here in January and the Patriots have won a playoff game, that is unbelievable. Again, if you want to walk through the doorstep against me, you give it a good. no interest whatsoever. I'm here for you today, buddy. Do you want to walk through the doorstep of the day? I'm trying to be calm and, yes, measured.

Okay. Meanwhile, Josh Allen. Go beat the Saints. Last undefeated QB until the clock struck midnight. Two touchdowns, but threw a pick, botched a handoff. Here he was after the game. We just played sloppy. Not going to win a football game, turning the ball over three times in our red zone,

gave them one in their red zone. That's just bad, bad football. And we just did not play good tonight. We shouldn't have, shouldn't even been in it with three turnovers. So that's, again, that's just, that's just piss poor offense. Oof. Here he was last night. Completed 71% of the passes over 300 total yards, brew.

But two touchdowns to turnovers. What do you make a Josh's performance? Well, look, obviously from my critique of the Patriots, I'm not putting too much into this game. So I'm not trying to sound any alarms. But last year he had six turnovers total in the whole season. He's had three in the last two games. He had two yesterday.

And in critical moments. Yeah. So, and I think, and you mentioned the critical moments, so much is on his shoulders. Like, he doesn't have a number one receiver. I mean, despite the deal is pretty good. Dionne Kovychette convinced you guys. I think Khalil Shakir is their best receiver. But he's not a true.

I don't think it's a true number one. No. Keon is supposed to be a phone one. But I mean, so, and James Cook is really good. But so much is on Josh's shoulders. And I think, you know, it was kind of a throwback game. You know, it was back to 2022 when, yes, he's going to be Superman and do some great things. But he's going to be reckless and make some mistakes too.

Like with it. So that's, this is to me there. They have, you can, Baker Mayfield. last year led the league in picks or second most picks? Yes, led to league. But I said, and I think most people agreed, it was okay.

Because they had, right, 41 touchdowns and he's slinging it downfield. The bills have pivoted from we're going to make one big we're going to get, if we're a boxer, we're going to get knocked down once in this fight, but we're going to knock you down three times and third ones to be a knockout to,

as you would say, Floyd Mayweather. You know, we're going to throw a bunch of jabs and we're going to beat you on points. If that's the style, you can't make those mistakes because you don't have the quick strike offense to get back at it. And so I'm not going to overreact either. I think right now the entire AFC, there is not a perfect team except for the team that by the end of the year will be perfect and wins the conference every year.

But, I mean, they do. I mean, they win the conference every year. But they're not a perfect team yet. But I'm also not going to have a double standard the way seemingly every other show on TV will. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Have you guys seen Josh Allen deep ball numbers? What happened to the player we once loved?

My goodness, look at the passer rating. Look at the attempts of game. What's happened with Josh Allen for this year? What's happened? Now, do I think that's because Josh Allen is accurate? feed as a player? Of course not, because I'm not a moron. However, if it's fair for the best quarterback in the league for these graphics to pop up. This is five games. When we do Mahomes, we don't do five games. We do 20-something games. We do 20-something games intermixed with Super Bowl

appearances and Super Bowl victories. This is five games for a player who seemingly needs to be improving every year since he's never actually gotten over the hump. Again, I think it's more of a stylistic choice, but if you're going to play this style, then the turnovers kill you. Dirty pool. Why is it dirty pool? Because Mahomes himself says he wants to air it out more and he's not doing it. Josh hasn't

said that. We do that graphic because Mahomes says he wants to do it. He wants the light show. Okay. All right, so if that's, if Josh, that graphics unfair. We shouldn't use it. I think it's a statistical accuracy. We should put some graphics in yellow. He also, now he was a rookie, but he also had

Xavier Worthy last year, not this year for most part, but last year he had a deep threat. But I agree with your point about yeah, I mean, they have purposely said we're going to be dull. Every month, once a month, once every five games, Josh goes

Superman and does something incredible. But for the most part, they just play pedestrian football. So this was what was flying around. Bills had gone 26 straight games without losing the turnover battle and they lost it last night and lost the game. It feels like They saw like, hey, we win the game if we don't turn the ball over and that they prioritized it. But again, sorry, I'll wear the black hat.

If we can't get through the T's without saying, and that's, you guys, you mostly joking, I think you serious, how impressive really is the chief scoring 37 on Baltimore. Then we can't get through the bill's segment without saying how impressive is a single thing on their resume. Agreed. I understand they scored 41 on Baltimore. instead of 37 while resting the starters in the fourth quarter. But that game, they was a miracle win. The Jets, they blew out and that owned them from start to finish.

The Jets are the only winless team in football. Miami, they're tied with eight minutes left. Mike McDaniels walking off the field looking like the saddest man in America. The Saints, they're up two with eight minutes left. And they just lost in New England. So like if the deflation of impressiveness, from beating the Ravens hits no team harder than this team because they were, we were looking at them as juggernaut adjacent

because we thought we saw them go toe to toe with another juggernaut. We now know that evidently was not the case. I buy that. Let's head to Philly where the Eagles had yet another weird game in this time it cost them. They blow a 14 point fourth quarter lead and then fight over a Hail Mary that wasn't to be. Here's Jalen Hertz.

certain things don't get you until they get you. And we're obviously in pursuit of our best self and pursuit of growth. So you have a lot of credit to that team to play the outstanding game. Execute it situationally when they needed to and they won that battle. And so we got to go back and really learn from this, take ownership for the things that we can control. Brew, are the Eagles in trouble? No. No.

And I predicted this. I would have been covered in confetti had your Patriots not won. And you won up me in the picks. But I picked this because I just felt they're going to lose at some point, the Eagles, and they'll probably lose another game or two or more. And, you know, I thought this was a good chance for Denver to do that. But no, I don't think they're in trouble. Now look, most people, when they don't win the Super Bowl this year,

most people will say, you saw it all year. It just wasn't right. I'm not saying that. Like, I'm not picking them to win the Super Bowl. I'm not even picking them to get to the Super Bowl. When I say nothing's wrong, I mean they're still a top flight contender. They will still be right there in the mix in the NFC playoffs with a, you know, as viewed as one of the top.

teams to go to the Super Bowl. So that's what I mean by nothing's wrong. One thing, I don't really, I don't like the coordinator at this point. I'm sorry. I don't know how you could. Right. You weren't, and it seems like Nick, and I'll bring up Baltimore quickly, these, why can't they get the right balance?

Now, I guess you can say last year the Ravens did with Henry going for almost 2000 and Lamar having a great year. But this year they couldn't, so far. and they go 4-0 with Jalen throwing it 25 times a game. Then out of the blue you come out and he throws it 38 and you only run Sequin six times. That's the fewest amount of carries he's had as an eagle for sure. But I believe in his entire career in a game in which he didn't get hurt

or wasn't coming back from an injury. Literally probably since he picked up a football. Yes, yes. Actually, probably. You're absolutely right. And so I don't, and now, Nick, maybe, and I think you made a good point last week when you said, maybe they're practicing. Maybe they're, you know, seeing, okay, can we throw it more? And I would be fine with that.

I don't think that was the case, but I would be fine with that. I don't think that would be a bad strategy. No, they just, they have, I think they're fine. Obviously, the offensive line isn't what it used to was last year, but I think they can get it going again. And I still, I do not think Sequin is washed. I would, I get it. His numbers aren't great. I would stand behind him and say he's still the same guy.

Don't you think there's a difference? There's a big delta, though, between washed and the exact same guy he was last year? And couldn't he be somewhere closer to, you know, the guy of last year than washed? But not. Yeah. Because that's what I think. I don't think he's washed. The numbers are insane.

We wouldn't see this in any other player. Well, we're seeing it with Darren Henry right now. Yeah. Similar. 125 to 53. And so, again, wash to me implies. Wash it's not. It means your career's over.

I just think, do I think he is likely to have a down season? I do. But like this? I thought he'd get like 1,500 yards, which was saying a lot because nobody's ever done that. And I, and 1,200, I thought would have been a great year. And right now they'd sign up for it. I want to give you Wilde's some real data and then some fuzzy data. Love it.

Okay. The real data is, as I said last week, Philadelphia play a normal game challenge. Impossible. They have had, through four games, two of the five worst passing halves any team has had across the NFL this year. They now threw five. So there it was. the Eagles, the worst half and the second worst passing half

any team's had all year in any game. They now are on this same list for the worst rushing halves anyone has had in a game all year. And by the way, added fewest yards rushing, they had the lead most of the half. So in theory, some teams are down a ton

and they have no choice, but no. And that's the second half. Where when you're up 17 to 3. Exactly. Heading into the fourth quarter, usually you're going to run the ball. The lions at Green Bay were down the entire second half week one. They're not running the ball. And you have a rushing quarterback.

So they can't. Right. Right. So I am not opposed to them saying let's work on the passing game during the game. But some semblance of normalcy or balance I think would be helped. Yes. So that's the hard. Here's the fuzzy data.

Here's the fuzzy data. You know who thinks the Eagles are in trouble? Oh. Show me, show. Kevin Wilde's tweets on the Eagles, the 21 days leading up to the Chiefs game. 18 and 21 days, almost one a day. Since then. I'm a frontrunner.

What? What do you want me to say? This guy is worried. He's worried. Here's the, so Chris Bumbaca of USA Today had this headline. I'm like, this is exactly how I feel. Lost to Broncos shows Eagles can't or won't run Sequin Barclay. And I think that's the question about the whole team.

Are you not doing stuff or you can't do this stuff? You can't get the ball to A.J. Brown. Are you choosing not to strategically? And I know they're like, where are the Eagles? We're like water. We take whatever shape that we're in. Or we're like a chameleon. We can adapt to our environment.

No, I'm saying. It's like, we can play any style. It's like, or you're just identityless, that you just come in and you're like, I don't know, what are we going to do this game? Throw the ball, run the ball. It's very hard to wrap your head around what this team is. I'll tell you what they don't feel like, Brew, champions. They don't feel like a championship team who knows who they are, who has an identity for success and wants to just run the table. Or just like play consistent football with an identity.

No, look, I think you make some good points there. And I think, and you do too, Siriani is a very good, like his record is his record. The dude wins. So you got to give him credit, plus he's got a Super Bowl. But he doesn't come off as serious as a Matt LaFleur. And I'm not, you know, LaFleur hadn't won a Super Bowl, but Sean McVeigh.

You know, like, guy, he's a little silly. And he gets into it with the fans and the opponents. And you talk to try. No, what I'm saying is when the coach is like that, it's almost like, like I think that's why you have the chatter out of the locker room. Some coaches, you're not going to have that type of chatter. Belichick, you weren't ever going to have that type of chatter coming out of the locker room. The Chiefs last year, when they were having a similar year to this, there would be none of them.

Right. You don't hear, like, there's no random players going to say something. Yeah. And so that's all I'm saying. Like, that can lead to. Also, it might just be the offensive coordinator in over his head. It might be that the offensive coordinator overly reacts to the media criticism of the previous week and overcorrected.

Give the ball to say Paul and Barcliffe. We were saying throw the ball a week ago. Again, there are actually signs a balance. Right. Can we get a balance? Oh, what grade will Professor Broussard give the Cowboys? The large question. Oh, my goodness. It's obscene.

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It is. I looked. Meanwhile, Cowboys keep cooking. Greg Jennings is here. Two, two and one. Dak threw four touchdowns. While Javante Williams, who Brew has always supported. Always. Privately.

Private. Had 135 yards found the end zone. Here's Dak on MVP chance in New York. Wow. I mean, my ears work. So I heard it, but I didn't hear it to your answer. It's week five. I don't care.

careful it was week 17. I've told you all what I want to win the team goals. Right now the success and the continued success is going to happen. It's just a beneficiary of all the guys in that locker room. Okay, here's how this season has graded out, bro. B, C plus an F game against Ben Johnson and Caleb, but then an A minus for the tie. Seems to be headed kind of in the right direction. Except the F. What grade are you giving the Cowboys for yesterday's performance?

Let me clear something up first. Because a lot of people think I just live to hate on the Cowboys. When in actuality, I just call it like it is. It's called balls and strikes. If you're a tomato can, I will call you a tomato can. If you play like a bunch of pop lockers, I will say so. If you bring your F game, you will get an F. Yeah.

All right. And yesterday the cowboys were fantastic. Dak was phenomenal. Love the postgame shirt too. Javante, third in the league and rushing. He has bounced back. I was worried about that ACL because I loved him before that surgery. But he has been great this year.

And the defense, which looked like one of the worst in the league, held the Jets. I get it as the Jets, but still held him to three-point. in the first half. So the Cowboys, I am showing major love. What? Where's the gray? Where's the grade? Hey, Jerry.

Congratulations. I say Jerry. Congratulations. No Micah. No problem. No CD. Dak Prescott might be the MVP. Versus the Jets.

A game versus the Paxes back to back. A games. A games. A games. A games. Ooh. Fantastic. They're the best every time.

Excellent work, my man. Excellent word, brothers. As always. We appreciate you guys. See, Cowboys, I got love for y'all. When you deliver. Good job. All right, Greg.

Follow that off. Yeah, I mean, it's hard to follow that up. I don't have them at an A game. Yesterday you would have I would give him a B but I'm not the greater you are so it doesn't matter what I give him does it

look offensively this is a team that we all felt like this was what they were going to have to do anyway and DAC has been spectacular in the obviously the Green Bay game he was great yesterday he was great and I think he will continue to be great

what has been awesome is that guy right there that guy right there George Pickens has been great for them and then just utilizing your tight ends. We know they have tight ends that they love in Ferguson, but everyone else, Turpin, Tobert, all these guys are stepping up. And Dak, for the, really the second time in this career,

I feel like is making everyone around him better versus earlier in his career when we were questioning, is Dak worth it and all these things? It was like, okay, you bring in talent to make him better. He has been the difference maker. And so I love what I'm seeing offensively. I'm not sold on them defensively because they still gave up. Going into the year, we said they were going to have to try to be the bengals.

The bengals. The poor man's bengals. And thus far this year, they're not the poor man's bengals. They are on par, if not better than the bengals of last year. You think, I mean, the bengals did win 10 game. I mean, I think they're pretty much. The bengals, they finished with 10 or nine wins, maybe nine wins. And they're two, two, and one.

So I guess it's maybe almost directly on par. but they're doing it without their version of Jamar Chase the last couple of weeks. And here's Dax's 17-game pace. And his- They have a run game. His MVP case is similar to Joe Burroughs. If the record doesn't matter, I'm playing the position as well as anybody. It's not my fault that defense can't get a stop.

And this is why sports can be so funny. Because he is kind of on a reputational free role this year. Yeah. And if the biggest DAC critics have alleged he's a guy that gets tight in the biggest spots, if those people are correct, narratively, it makes sense that he would be playing some of his best ball right now. Yeah. Because unlike the years where they truly were, S. Bob, they're coming off a six-win season. They trade away Micah.

it's all glory with very little stakes and DAC is balling. Now, that feels like a back-handed compliment. I don't mean it to be, but he is, I do think he is playing his position as well as just about any player in the league, and he's playing, in my opinion, the best ball of his career, and he is doing it under less than ideal circumstances. They have a good, not great offensive line. They have a good, not great running back, no offense to Giovante.

They don't have C.D. Lam. I thought without C.D. Lame was going to fall apart. And they're putting up 35, seemingly, every week. And if you look throughout Dax's career, when he's had a running game, it doesn't have to be the best in the league, but a good run game, he's always been good. He's been excellent. Cowboys Carolina next week.

Rico Doudal, they've got to buckle up. Douddle had 200 this week, didn't he? He did. He did. You supported him. I wanted him to bring Rico back. Last week, Ruth, you famously came in in a half. hospital bed to the show.

Will this game must have made you feel even more sick? The Texans scored six touchdowns all year. Yesterday, they scored five in Baltimore. Here's Kyle Van Ney answering a reporter's question about coaching. Do you feel like the messages that are coming from John or Zach or whoever aren't getting through in some way? Um, you know, I'm, that's a, that's probably a question that's above my. pay great probably. I think that's a Harbon's EO question, to be honest. I think their messaging is fine, and we got to be the group to take that and go out and do the simple things right.

In four losses this year, bro, they've given up 40 points, 430 yards, and they don't have a takeaway. By the way, in the win, they... Oh, never mind, go ahead. They gave a ton of yards, too. Yeah, they did. Are you surprised your ravens have looked this horrible? Oh, no. The Ravens and I have had a great run.

No. No. We can't do this in the B block of the show. What are we? Like, going down memory lane. Can you watch the run? It's been a great run. Bro, you can't give.

We got rhythm to. You're talking about yourself, though? You can't abandon them. You are not retiring the robe. You can't, bro. No, this has to do his thing. The robe and the sandwich and the Jordans. It's about being S-Bob.

It's about going into another elite team's house and making them feed you. You know they fed you, didn't they? Yeah, they fed us sandwiches and chips and soda pop. Oh, I thought you fed your, okay, I didn't know. They fed them. We made them. They didn't want to.

We made them. Got it. Now, let me see the schedule. Not going to come up here, and I don't think the Ravens would want me to. Come up here and gloat because they go to Miami. I don't even know if that, yeah, that's at Miami. And make the Rock Steady crew give them some food. I'm not going to go.

gloat because they go into Cincinnati and make Jake Browning give him his robe? There is one opportunity left for me to gloat and that is week 17 at Green Bay.

That's the only elite team left. Maybe if the Patriots really get rolling. Real talk. That's home though. But if they really get roping, maybe I'll do a little something. But my point is this. Can I get the box? No.

I am not abandoning my Ravens. I stay on my Super Bowl pick and I am rolling with y'all. This needs to be a creative decision for the group. But until further notice, the robe. Oh, this is brutal. And the bit are on life support. Like the Ravens. Again, I expect them to bounce back.

when Lamar gets healthy and the defense gets healthy and all that. And maybe there's a new DC. We'll see. But I expect him to bounce back. But until further notice, the Ravens are on life support as is the bit. Holy cow. That felt real. I mean, it was tough because I love the Ravens.

We should have been consulted on. Yeah, because that's actually a show. But real talk. I'm supposed to come up here after they beat Pittsburgh. Honestly, and be like, they get their feet up. When they were getting at Trump. We got trampled by other teams. Brew.

At this point, anyway. They're not 100 than Pittsburgh. No. At any win, you should do it. I will be happy if they beat Pittsburgh. I will be happy as they marched toward 10 wins and all that. You just gave up on the Raven. No, no.

What? All I'm saying is I'm not gloating. I'm not coming. No, that is saved for. other big boys. So when they play another big boy, Green Bay and, you know, we'll see about your page. What a moment.

This was a moment for the show. I thought it was just a regular B block. I mean, the question is surprised that Ravens looked this bad. I was going to say yes to that. I'm surprised. I'm more surprised at Brew. I'm like, broke your spirit.

I keep it real. You don't believe it. No, no. Did I did not say they still my Super Bowl pick? I am not backing off. There's no possible way that team is your Super Bowl pick. They were my Super Bowl pick, and I am right into the wheels fall off. What I'm saying is I'm not going to gloat after they beat some mediocre sorry team.

And I guess all I would say is, oddly, now is the only moment where you could gloat because of that, because they also appear to be a mediocre sorry team. If they were four and one, going into Miami wouldn't be impressive. But here is my larger team. Takeaway KW. Rock them boys. It's official. Not Bruce thing.

Not the Bruce thing isn't official. We know who the team is. That we were, we said. Oh, you're right. You and I, on the show and off the air, when we said, every year, there's last year's Niners, the year before's Bengals, the year before that Rams. The team that we, everyone had penciled in as a great team that's going to have a great season. Going into this year, those teams were lions, eagles, ravens, bills, chiefs.

Which of those teams is going to be the fall off a cliff team? It's them. So they're out of the playoffs as far as you're concerned? Well, I am not 100% writing them out of the postseason, purely because the Jets, Dolphins, Browns, Titans, Raiders, and Bengals, sorry, Raiders, are all in the AFC, which means seven of the other 10 teams are making it. But I am absolutely writing them off of anything championship-related.

So I think my issue with the Raiders, the Ravens is they just don't have anybody that can cook or carry the team. Like when you look at the Chiefs, if Patrick Mahomes was out, Andy Reed would step up and fill the void. The Niners, they did it Thursday night. Kyle Shanahan, obviously Robert Sala, what they were able to do. The Ravens have nobody, not player, not coach, to step up and carry some of that weight. I'm surprised by that. Hey, what's going on? Weirdest plays of the week next.

Not even media. Two ALDS game threes tomorrow right here on FS1. 3 p.m. Eastern, the Mariners taking on Greg's Tigers. Then in prime time, the Blue Jays are in the Bronx to take on Aaron Judge. They're up to nothing at 8 Eastern. That's all on FS1. Wonderful, mostly weird episode of Weird and Wonderful. We'll start with a double weird.

Where at the start of the fourth quarter, the Cardinals are up 21-6. Greg. Greg's going to try to excuse this. I'm not excusing it. I've done it before. The first preseason game of my career, I did this exact same thing. Now, it was still called and ruled a touchdown. But in our film study, my coach pointed it out.

And it's not something that players are showboating. you just relax. Your body physically has crossed the goal, the line, and you just relax. You're just letting the ball go. I also know that I'm going to come across as a two-time apologists on this. I tried to make excuse for A.D. Mitchell. I think he scored.

Oh. So I did kind of wonder about it. Yeah. And to, you know, have it even be close. But I was shocked they overturned. Greg, how is that? What, because you're his foot touch. It looked like the ball.

was over. I agree with you. Like right there. I guess foot is over. So close. So this is one of the closer ones where I'm with Nick on this. I couldn't believe they overturned it. You still kind of have possession and he was so far across. Like it's as a player, you clearly feel like you're in.

You literally feel like you're in. It's the oddest feeling. I know when we replay it and we slow it down like this. It's like all the time. It's almost like they did it out of principle. They got worse for the Cardinals. It did. Cam Ward throws an interception here.

The Titans are down nine. Then the Cardinals just decide to drop this ball. This gets batted around and ends up as a Titans touchdown. Titans end up winning this game. One of the most bizarre fourth quarters of the season so far. That was incredible. Sorry, I can't talk because of the amount of money and survivor that cost me. I had the Cardinals and Survivor.

Oh, Cardinals and Survivor. Justin Fields bounces this pass off of the Fowler's head and then go straight into the Skycan. Should have been replayed. It wasn't. And there was the, do you have the kick in? I didn't put it in. The kick in London.

A kick hit the wire and nobody noticed. That's the kicker's job. Rikert's first miss of the year hits a wire. He misses it and nobody big. up on it. This is, I didn't see this. Yeah. Yeah. It's supposed to be just a redo. Yeah. It's like if you punt into Jerry's. Yeah. Jumbotron. Uh, final wonderful undefeated Memphis versus Tulsa. Cortez, uh, Bram Jr. Correct. Catch of the year.

That is catch of the year here. This is catch of the year. Foo! Catcher the year. Memphis stays unbeaten gets ranked number 23. Three teams from Tennessee in the top 25 now. Also, So maybe you will anoint something else actual catch of the year. This is definitively coolest catch of the year. And it won't be teethropped. Coolest catch? Yeah, because this looks so cool.

Remind me of old USC Mike Williams in the back of the end zone, just plucking it with one hand. Did you see step on digs last night? Yeah, that's not the coolest catch. I've got to get some of those gloves. Head to Philadelphia where the champs played another head scratching game, up in the fourth but couldn't move the ball and the Broncos good. Sequin caught a deep touchdown but only ran the ball six times.

Here's, what's the headline here? The Eagles first loss or the Broncos comeback, Greg? So for me, it's the Broncos comeback. And the reason why I say it's the Broncos comeback is because I don't think any of us thought that the Eagles were going to just rip off 17 wins. They were going to lose at some point. They had been struggling kind of sputtering offensively, but doing enough to win games.

The Broncos, however, your coaches pretty much said that this is one of my, what, seven? Is that one of my seven greatest teams of my greatest teams? Your quarterback has been struggling all season long, and then he finds a way to convert a third and 15 to Sutton, and it just all turned around for him. And so if this is who we're going to see Bo Nicks continue to be moving forward, then this Broncos defense is real. this Broncos team can be very impactful and can win a lot of games. So I think this was a bigger story for the Broncos specifically because they were doing it against a team

that was just finding ways to win even despite their struggles offensively and sometimes defensively. So listen, I think Greg nailed it. And we can show you, Bo Nix within the game was two different players. Yes. And if he is anything close to the guy he was

for the final three drives, then all end up being wrong about this team, and they will be a legitimate postseason contender and then some, because, while I might think Sean Payton's a touch overrated, he's obviously an excellent coach, and the defense is spectacular. Nick Benito for two years now

has been one of the four or five best players on the defensive side of the ball. We had literally never seen Bo Nix and the Broncos do anything like that. They had never beaten a good team, much less beaten a good team on the road and done it. in comeback fashion.

Well, they beat Tampa Bay last year. You know, that's fair. And then they lost eight straight against playoff teams, and that was before we knew how good Tampa Bay was going to be. But that is the, so to put it differently, I guess, for the first time since Bo Nix's, like third career start, they got a high-quality win against a high-quality opponent

in combat fashion on the road. I think the defense is going to be that defense all year. I think Bo Nix is going to be, as he was in this game, a mixed bag all year. But they have the Jets and the Giants coming up next. So they should be five and two. And then we'll see what they are the rest of the way. But this made them impossible to disregard as I have been for most of the year.

And so we'll see if this was a fork in the road for Bo Nix or just a hot few drives. Hey, I'm with you guys. Broncos win. Eagles were going to lose it. point. They announced themselves as like a legit playoff team in the AFC. They actually absolutely announced themselves because they could be

wilds. And this is not just, oh, you could pick a lot of games. They could, could it, could they could. They should be four and one. Greg's Colts, and I'm not dissing the Colts, but we know how that game is it. They missed a 60-yarder and it was a penalty on the Broncos. so they got a 45-yard field goal

and hit that. So they should be 4-1. And then the game against the Chargers, I mean, Herbert makes a great touchdown pass, you know, to win that game. So they are playing great football. Their defense is absolutely legit. I know you're mad.

But they got other good wins. No, why will you not give a two-and-two Broncos team beat an undefeated Eagles team in close, on the road? in close but dynamic fashion and you said they are a legitimate playoff contender when a two and two Patriot team went on the road

to beat a 4 and O Bill's team you would not give wild to that same credit. The Broncos were much better last year. They made the playoffs last year. If your Patriots had made the playoffs last year, I'd be like, oh, okay, they've done something. So far, you beat up one good team. All right?

I mean, Denver has beaten some other... I understand your frustration, but it's a fair route. Y'all lost to Nick's race. It's fair frustration. But it's a fair response. And that's what makes the show pretty good, you know. I'm going to agree to disagree. Y'all got me by the Raiders, man.

Also, is Drake made the new MVP? Find out. The Raiders. From New York, it's the show that made some huge creative decisions and retired one of the best things that we do. As Brew put all this Raven stuff in a box. Here's what I realized. It's only on life support.

It's not gone for good. I think Bruy thought that in order to keep the sandwich bit, he was going to, the flip side of that coin was having to do escalating injuries in loss. I'm here to tell you you're, you run into that. We can retire the injuries piece of it and keep the sandwich. Can I let you behind? Like I said, it's only on life support. I did talk to hugs.

I'm like, do they make those casts where you have like the men, you have to come out like this? Can we get one of those? Second hour of first things first today. Is it time to take the Cowboys seriously? That's going to be another team, Brew, take seriously and not the Patriots. Brue, you should just do this with every team we talk about. Meanwhile, are we expecting an MVP performance from Patrick Mahomes tonight? Can he get into?

Three and two. Can he be right there alongside? Jack, Baker, Drake May in the MVP conversation. But right now, while the Bills came into Sunday night's game as the toast of the town. Meanwhile, their 4-0 record was against the Ravens, Jets, Dolphins, and Saints, four teams that kindly are not good. And currently have a total of three wins. Here's Josh Allen.

We just played sloppy. not going to win a football game turning the ball over three times in our red zone gave them one in their red zone that's just bad bad football and we just did not play good tonight we shouldn't have shouldn't even been in it with three turnovers

so that's again that's just piss poor offense do you think do you still view the bills as the class of the AFC we are so back how it was a rough September you got to get

through the prince. I do. And you're right, KW. Big test. That's how much faith he had. Big test tonight for the Chiefs to go down into Duval and try to get a win.

But the reality of the situation is this. Somehow, some way. A month into the shakiest start of a season the Chiefs have had, they are so clearly the scariest and most

importantly, most well-rounded team in the conference, it's not even a discussion. Well-rounded. Yeah. They have the best quarterback alive. They finally have an offensive line. They're getting their receiving quarterback. And unlike Buffalo... You can't run the ball.

Yeah, I understand that piece of it. I'll deal with that piece of it. Well, they're probably well-rounded team. Well, then who is in the AFC? Well, I don't know. You're saying the best well-rounded team. Yeah, because I... Yeah. Because the bills don't have a defense. So I would take a team. whose offense is going to be helmed by Mahomes and we'll figure out the running game piece of it rather than, I mean, again, who is the most well-rounded team in the AFC?

Tell me. The Chargers problem is they're banged up. The Chargers are not good anymore. The Ravens are terrible. The Bengals are done. He might say it's the Colts. Right. Exactly.

It is the cult. It is the Colts, which is why I'm right. Because if it's the Colts, it's the Chiefs. because here's the situation we're going to be staring at. We're going to be staring at an AFC playoff field where there is Patrick and Josh and a bunch of guys who have never won a playoff game or in Daniel's case of one one playoff game

and the bills are going to be staring at bringing this defense into that fight. And while the Chiefs potentially can trade for one player and change their running back situation, there's not one player that changes a defense. I mean, there might be a Micah Parsons level, but not a player you can get at the deadline. So no, I don't view the Bills as a class of the AFC. I view the Chiefs as the class of the AFC.

And somehow, after tonight, despite being left for dead, they're going to be a game out of the one seat again with games against the Colts. Every team that has a better record than the Chiefs in the conference, the Chiefs play this year. The Jacksonite, the Colts later, and the Bills later. So in theory, control their own path to the one seed as well because they also get the chargers again. So no, I don't view the bills of the class of the AFC.

I view the chiefs of the class of the AFC. First, look, can we all agree, the white out overrated? I mean, Penn State, the bill, like, get rid of the whiteout. It's not intimidating. It looks great. Okay, that's it.

But it didn't help you at all. The box, the most important box that need to be checked, you just check. No, they want, they got a win. All right. So that's number one. First of all, Nick, let's see tonight. Because obviously I was very impressed with the dismantling of my Ravens that the Chiefs did.

But again, maybe that wasn't quite as impressive as we thought. Certainly more impressive than they did tonight. They did them 4140 like the bills did. Yeah, and I wonder, and I don't know. I don't, I'm just, I threw it out there last week. Did that loss to Buffalo really rocked the Ravens mentally? Maybe, I don't know. Definitely possible.

And then to be fair, and then they had another brutal loss to the lines. So maybe they were already on shaking mental ground. That's fair. Right. But look, I would say right now, I still think the bills are in the top class of the AFC with the chiefs. Right for the time being, hopefully they'll get back in there. Baltimore is falling out. Obviously Cincinnati's not there.

And the Chargers have fallen out. The injuries, but Herbert's not playing that well. And all the other teams, to your point, Indy, Denver, if the charges will be in the playoffs, they're not proven. I have to admit in one, yeah, even if the Patriots get there, in a big playoff game, there's no way right now that I'm taking anybody over the Chiefs and the AFC. Now, unless if the Chiefs go out and lose tonight or don't play well going forward, then you will really feel like, okay, they're not what they were. have been in the past. But right now, a lot of it's based on the past. And Mahomes, even with Josh, as great as Josh is and he is truly great,

there's a different feel I have when Mahomes. Like, it's just like, you just feel like he's going to get it done. And I don't feel that way with Josh or really any other quarterback in the playoffs for sure. Yeah, let's not get a little too out of whack here. Like, they are top class of the AFC. The bills? The bills are. Yes, of course.

They are still the number one. That's not the question. No, that is the question. Still you bill as class of ASC. Yeah, like the top team. Okay, go ahead. Tell me top. Okay, go ahead.

Because they are the class of the AFC. When you find them in the runnings and you talk about them in the regard of where we talk about them and you expect them to be at the end when you, whether they're facing the chiefs or whom ever, like, they are the class of the AFC. But the top, the number one? Because I think that's the question, right? Like, not are they a top team? If we say that's the question, I still think they are

atop the AFC. You have to put respect on this team. Just like we talked about the Eagles, they're not going to win every single game. They had a bad game. It's a bad outing. You talk about their defense. Past, past defense-wise, they're actually really good. The run defense sucks and they give up too many points. However, when you look at the head to head in the quarterback race,

yes, everybody's going to say I'll take Patrick Mahomes because he's always proven to beat those guys. But right there, you're going to take Josh out. I agree with all that. I guess my only pushback would be the bills, I think, needed a impressive performance yesterday. because the resume looked shaky. It still looks shaky.

It still looks shaky. Correct. Well, more so now. Like the week one, they have an unbelievable comeback against Baltimore, which again has not aged well like nobody's went over Baltimore has. But that's the only, that's the only contender adjacent team that has played Baltimore that Baltimore has handled for large sections of that game. Week two, they destroy the Jets. That's great. you get credit for that. Jets also the only winless team in the league.

Week three, they're tied midway through the fourth with Miami. Week four, it's a two-point game midway through the fourth against New Orleans. And then week five, the only other team in your division with a pulse comes to your building and wins. That to end, like we talked about earlier, I think I was legit concerned about how many hits Patrick was taking the first two weeks of the year. He has through the two weeks after throttled that down and I think his history tells us he will continue to. I don't know that Josh can, like will throttle down how much he is. They're not doing as many quarterback-driven runs but he's still,

he's so big and so strong and so imposing and it's such a weapon. But I thought yesterday he took one really bad shot where he landed on his shoulder and Collinsworth, right, Collinsworth pointed it out. So I just, I think that the bills, it feels like they should be up more than one game on Kansas City, given how we were talking about them and how we were talking about Kansas City after tonight. The chief has such a tough schedule to start. People weren't factoring that in either. All right.

Chiefs in Jacksonville tonight. We got our picks coming up in about 40 minutes. Meanwhile, Drake May entered this game on the doorstep of Destiny. Did he leave on the doorstep of the MVP conversation? Wow. Here's Stefan on what he's seeing from his new QB. I've seen a young quarterback take a step in the right direction. You know, trying out.

They did a lot of comparisons during the week. And I feel like it was a hell of a comparison to be compared to Josh Allen. But as you coming to your own, Drake May has to be Drake May. You know, and I was just so proud of him, you know, coming in here and leading the team. You know, being a young quarterback can be hard sometimes. And, you know, that's why you have a supporting cast. You know, running backs making plays, receivers making plays, and let them know that you got his back. So I was just super proud of him.

You know, he has a good approach. during the weekend, you know, attach yourself to the process and not the results. This guy is unbelievable. This season, here's Drake versus Josh, better completion percentage, more passing yards, more yards per pass. Touchdown interception ratio is still to Josh.

Passer rating about the same and Josh is running the ball almost twice as much, maybe a little too much. Is anyone ready to talk about Drake May MVP? Brew. We do have Bruce Ballot coming up at some point this week. this week. Are we ready to have the conversation? He is under consideration.

That's all I'm looking for. To get on the ballot. That's what I want. Now, I would look. He's in the mix. Baker's ahead of him. Dax probably ahead of him. Golf is right up there now.

And then Stafford. Stafford. Matthew. Stafford's numbers are pretty impressive. But I hear you, you know, I'm not. What's the case against Stafford that there is for Drake? Is it his record? I'm just looking shots.

He's under due to consider rates. He's under. I mean, Josh is still in. I'm waiting on the continued list. Continue. Oh, I hate to say. Oh, Daniel Jones. I mean, or John.

You don't want to put the numbers up. I'm not going to do this. He don't have a lot of touchdowns, but what's he got six? Huh? DJ. What have you been watching? I think he's got six touchdown passes. But nine total.

And he's run for. I mean, the running does. There's a little bit of reputation. How did Josh? How did John? When the MVP last year. A lot of running. Josh has fallen.

Look, there's a lot of changes week to week because we're so early in the season. But he's gotten himself into consideration. That's what we want. You wanted, you. I knew this was going to happen. I knew this was going to happen. We're definitely, definitely the only show outside of ones on Nesson that is going to have this on a bar. It's because you wanted it.

Yeah. Are we ready to talk about it? Are you ready to talk Drake May MVP? I am already here. Okay, go. The MVP. That's the conversation. See, I knew he was going to do this.

I told you. I told you guys on the call. No, that's the conversation. Are you ready to talk Drake May MVP? What you say matters, okay? The question is not, is Drake May the MVP? If the question was, is Drake May the MVP, that's a whole different conversation. What would you answer me?

I don't know. I didn't prep for that. Am I ready to talk? Yes, I think we should have the. conversation. We can move on. That's what I'm going to support you. Brew, I, I, I, I said he did the consideration. I love what I'm seeing out of Drake May.

What we just heard from Stefan Diggs is a great endorsement. Like, when you see a young guy get compared to a guy like Josh Allen, you, you're basically saying, look, that's what it can look like. And I honestly feel like when I watch Drake May at his age with his lack of experience, he is getting there a little quicker than even the guy that he just played against. A lot of that's Stefan. He has gotten there. Stefan and Josh McGahn.

He looks really, really good in his decision making, all the things that we saw last year that was like, man, maybe the... Don't throw the ball together. Yeah, don't do that. He's correcting those things. We're seeing the course correct. Take a sack. Keep the clock running. It's been impressive to watch Drake May.

So it's where, but the moral of the story of this, because we got to get to Cowboys. No, I haven't gone yet, and I'm here to support you. I know, but we all are in agreement. And it's hard for us to agree on anything universally. We all agree. The answer is yes. We are ready to talk about it. Brew is a yes.

I'm a yes. Greg is a yes. And you're a yes. We're ready. The segment's over. He's in the MVP conversation. The segment's not over, but this part's over. Do you have anything to add?

Yeah, I was. I was going to support you even further. You did. Okay. All right. And I will say anything. Do you have more graphics? I do, but it doesn't.

Yeah, put them. I want to see you. Graphics. Yes, but buddy. I'm not being a smart ass here. I'm telling you the truth that those are guys who are in the thick of the, in my opinion, right now, the MVP discussion. I didn't mean to exclude Daniel Jones.

I swear. Why did you? I'll be honest, because he just doesn't come to my mind. It wasn't a conscious decision. I just said to Josh, I was like, hey, put Drake May up against Baker, Dak, and Josh Allen, because in my head, I'm like, those are the MVP candidates right now. I didn't include my guy Patrick because he hasn't had the year so far. And I include your guy, Daniel Jones, because I'll be honest, I have not yet accepted that reality that we're in. He just on merit he deserves to be there.

He's in line with it. They now have a winning record. Also, this was the little addition I was going to give you. The great quarterbacks in our league, Josh was a little bit of a late bloomer in that he popped in year three. Year two, they made the playoffs, by the way, through that lateral over the back of his head. Year three, though, they made the first AFC title game. Patrick Mahomes, year two, but his first year as a starter, one league MVP. Lamar, year two, one league MVP.

Joe Burrow, year two in the Super Bowl. Trevor, year two, seventh, and MVP. So we've seen it. And they want a playoff game. And so year two is not too early anymore. And so I think it's legit. I wasn't being a smart ass. I just wanted you.

I'm trying to get out. No, I want you. You're my TV coach. I'm your take coach. I want you one day to just like give the take. Right now. We should have the conversation. No, that's not the take.

The take is right now. Why isn't me the MVP? You don't even say he is. It's not good enough. What are you talking about? I hate it. He's not good enough. He's not good enough right now.

Okay, go ahead. But maybe later in the year, Cowboys. Keep lighting up the scoreboard. Dak had another excellent game, put up four touchdowns. So the defense played the Jets. So they looked better. Whether they are better, we don't know. Is anyone starting to take the Cowboys more seriously?

Again, open-ended. Seriously meaning what? Super Bowl playoffs? I don't know. This is where you're going to applaud me. Oh, good. Because you're going to be like, you know what, I might not like what Bruce said, but he's objective. Oh, that's. All right.

Much like your Patriots, I'm willing to say maybe they'll be able to make the playoffs. Maybe. Because there are five spots in the NFC are taken up, right? Taken. Philly, Green Bay, Detroit, Tampa, and whoever emerges from the NFC West, right? And then everybody, the other two. teams in an FC West are going to bat Seattle, San Francisco, whoever it is

and maybe Chicago. Washington, I was starting to get a little down on them, but last night they obviously looked good. They didn't have their quarterbacks. But Dallas can fight for a playoffs. Here's where I'm going to pour a little cold water.

They're two wins. I mean, they're the New York State champs because that's who they beat. I mean, really, their two wins are against teams with a combined one in And they barely beat the Giants. But who'd that tie come against? I mean, again, Green Bay took the week.

We're going to work there. Stop them boys. They didn't even put prepared. I know, but they young. Their youngest team in the league, they needed to learn. I don't think you're putting anything into that tie either. So I just, just like I'm not saying the bills aren't any good because they lost to the Patriots, that tie is out of my mind for Green Bay. But my point is this.

Beat somebody good. Okay. Be somebody good, Dallas. So initially I was thinking, I was saying no. But I want to be fair, too. Last year, when we were watching this with the Bengals, because of the guy at quarterback, we were giving them the benefit of the doubt.

I'm not going to say we. I was giving them the benefit of the doubt because I knew how good he was. I knew how excellent he could be on that side of the ball. I think that can do the same thing. I really do. When you can score, forget the defense, right now. When you can score and you can command a team and an offense and you have the

running game that they now do have, regardless of how you feel about it, this is a team that you gotta start taking serious. When you see the Dallas Cowboys and you see the production of George Pickens and the discipline that he's starting to play with and the consistency that he's playing with because of Dak Prescott, because of all that they're putting around him and the investment that he's making in practice, we didn't hear that when he was in Pittsburgh. All these things, it's because of that guy that's that quarterback. And so I believe in DAC. And so that makes me take this team a little more serious.

Can I ask you this? Because last year, if I'm not mistaken, you thought the Bengals could get to the Super Bowl. I did. Okay. So when you say take the Cowboys serious, are you saying make the playoffs or are you actually saying maybe get to the Super Bowl? Now the question is, do I, am I starting to take them serious? That's the conversation we're having. I'm starting to take them serious.

Yeah. I mean, I don't, I'm just like, seriously what? I think they could possibly make the playoffs too. Okay. But, I mean, serious, there's differences in serious. Okay. No one said there wasn't. I want to know, are you taking, are they a serious contender?

I got to tell you. And you know you with me. You want clarity too. Hold on. I don't need, I knew exactly what I was saying I don't need clarity. What I do need is to explain to the audience, maybe Greg, what's happening? Brew's a little on tilt.

He's been, he's been a little on tilt. Law show. The Ravens being in total disarray. It's been odd. Who needs to get some wins on the board. I fully expected that loss. Without Lamar.

You did not expect him to use by 35 points. I expect a 44 piece, but without Lamar expected an L. There's a few weird tells like he's saying to the audience. He was like, you're going to respect what I say here. Like they don't always expect him. Yeah, it's like you have low self-esteem right now. It's like, wow, you're going to like this. You're going to say, you're going to say,

Exactly right. For those of you that thought I wasn't objective, it's like, buddy, we all respect and love you. And then like Greg gets an identity crisis right now. He's like, well, actually, he's like, well, actually. They're one and four. Head into one in five, all right?

One and five. Suppose to win the Super Bowl. I feel like you would be more comfortable with that neck thing. He just to let everybody know. He just keeps attacking Greg's answer to the question. He's like, thugs, ass, seriously. We got to take a break. Somebody get Bruce melatonin or something like, my God.

No model neck. We're talking about, who knows? I don't know, I don't know. Brueyman, like Greg's answer. No. Right now. Welcome back to first things first. What are you yelling at me about, Greg?

The color of your jacket. I got it. Oh, my goodness, gracious. I got you, I'm sorry. Go ahead. My brew was yelling at you. Three stories, no huddling.

First up, Battle of the former Carolina Panthers teammates turned franchise quarterbacks. Baker over Sam Darnold. The Bake Show. throws from almost 380, two touchdowns. Let's take a look at the bake show when he's targeting the Bucca. Holy cow. 89 Bucca yards.

It's third best. First in touchdowns, the interceptions. First in pass rating, 145. Are the Bucks the best team in the NFC? Have been from the beginning. You've been early on this incorrect. Listen, they unlike, and we're going to talk about the Chargers later, and then we're going to hear Chargers excuses in about 14.

five minutes when Danny joins us. Unlike the Chargers or other, I guess the Ravens, the Ravens to a far worse extent, they suffered a bunch of injuries too. They find a way to win. They find a way to be in

all of these games and then Bake Show cooks down three with 217 left in week one. Get the ball. Baker delivers a victory. Down five, getting the ball with 2.10 left. week two, Baker delivers a victory.

Down one with a minute 49 left in week three. Baker delivers a victory. And yesterday down a full seven with 318 left delivers a victory without having to go to overtime. Now, obviously, the interception Baker didn't do, but he then capitalized. I don't, this team is only going to get better. Mike Evans is not there. Godwin is still, you know, getting back in.

The offensive line is injured. They didn't have Bucky Irving. And they're four in one. And I don't know if we can show it. I don't know if we have time. It's the final six weeks of their schedule and they were supposed to really make, hey, look at that.

Look at that right-hand column. You want to see some Tampa Bay victories? What about, I don't know what the record's going to be coming into it, but I know at the end of that, they're going to have at least five, maybe six more wins. So, yeah, yes, they're the best team. They are the best team. No, they are not.

I mean, look, Baker might be the MVP, not just the NFC, but of the whole league. But no, they have played, they have beaten four teams with a seven and 12 record. Why is it take them heroics from Baker to beat the freaking Jets? Jets, they beat the Jets 29, 27. Why heroics to beat Atlanta, which got smashed by the- Atlanta's a fine thing. Carolina.

Atlanta's a, well, I don't know, they got to be 30-0 by, Carolina. And then they beat Washington will see, look, Philadelphia, which beat them, Detroit, I still say Green Bay, and maybe Washington. I'll put them with Washington right now. But Philadelphia, Green Bay,

and Detroit, I got to have to Tampa. What possible evidence is there that Bay is better than them? They smash Detroit. That's some pretty good evidence right there. And then they beat, handily beat Washington with Jaden Daniels. And those are two great wins. Tampa don't have. What great wins

Tampa half. San Francisco beat Seattle in Seattle? I think beating Seattle yesterday was a really good win, but what Tampa doesn't have is a horrifying loss or tie the way Green Bay does. Like I just don't know, I think it's, I don't know how we can

even if you say Green Bay, but Detroit and Philly, I'm not ready to say the best team in the NFC, I got that Detroit is in that driver's seat for me. But the bucks, everything you said about Baker Mayfield is why the bucks are right there.

And they can beat anybody because they have a quarterback that has been able to rally those guys and those guys believe in him. He believes in his ability. And if he has the ball last, I'm talking about across the board, Patrick Mahomes included. Well, it's not go too far. Right now, the way he's playing, if he has the ball last, I trust Baker right now. And he got a great receiver. Even with the injuries, still got a great receiver.

But Bucca's been unreal. Unworldly should guard them. I think it's harder than you think, KW. Double. I think it's harder than you think. It's like last night. You guys should regard Stefan Diggs. He used to be on your team.

He's good. Flip to the AFC Colts Raiders. This one was not close at all. 40 to 6, Indy now, 4 and 1. And let's look at the seeds in the AFC. If the season ended today, it'd be a very short season. But the Colts would be number one, Bill Steelers, chargers. The record says they're legit contenders. Greg, do you agree? Of course.

Like, no hesitation needed. And just for the record, if season ending, can we put that back up? Who typically gets in the running for MVP's? That's a good point. The one C. One C. Yeah. So I'm, Jonathan Taylor. Yeah, man. We can, we can say what we want to say, Jonathan Taylor has been a staple in that Colts offense. What hasn't and what is. And what is, now is Daniel Jones. Can we see his numbers please? And why this team is this is what it's like when I talk about Mac Jones. Yeah, yeah, no, no, no. This is not.

Was that the question? No, no, no. Is Daniel Jones in me? No, bro. My God, that's a man. I'm just saying y'all get mad. 40 to 6. This is one of the reasons why they are a legit team because they're getting great per play

out of their quarterbacks. Those are wild stats. This is not, this is not just for gaysie. This is for real. Jonathan Taylor, his productivity has been awesome this year. Like the receiver play, awesome. The offensive line. But the one thing, even defensively, defense coordinator,

you can give Lou Aniruma a lot of credit, but they got a lot of great players on defense. This is a very well-constructed team, and a lot of it and why they're having the success is on the shoulders of the quarterback and what he's been able to do. I know, but a part of me, Greg, respectfully. It feels like Apple cider donuts

go to a little corn pumpkin mode so here I'm on pumpkin watch I'm on pumpkin watch not not that he'll go for you don't is it fair to be on pumpkin watch

really great situation let me amend let me amend the take I am right because I had incorrectly watch the cults

I had the wrong team that they weren't because I was saying that they were going to be last year's Saints. Two and O, huge victories, and then fall off a map. I was wrong. And then I realized today which team they are. Do you know which team they are?

I just want to hear. I think you'll like this. I think they have a real chance to be last year's Vikings. Gaudy regular season record, a reclamation project at quarterback. No matter what they do throughout the regular season, people don't fully buy in entirely. And then, of course, obviously, we know what will happen in the playoffs. But that team could win, I don't think you're going to win 14 games.

But I think that is, I was wrong. I was basically being like, ah, first two games, fluke. What they have shown us is because they have played Miami, Tennessee, and the Raiders. And I was wrong about the Raiders, it would appear. But they have, those are bad teams, obviously. See, that's the thing. But they have crushed them. That's what I like.

And then they have played, they have played two teams. that we think are good to very good in Denver and the Rams and they were both total toss-ups. Denver comes down to the field goal. The Rams game comes down to the very end as well. And that gave away a touchdown. Correct. And so, to me, that last year's Vikings is the feel that I have. Now, I don't know that they have to deal with a version of last year's Detroit.

Like, maybe last year's Minnesota with a division title and a home playoff game looks a little different in the postseason. But I think that, and I think Donald and Daniel Jones being in the same bucket of, honestly, no matter what you do this year, people are going to probably doubt you a bit until we see it again next year. I think it's probably the reality. I think that's a good comp last year's Vikings. Again, I don't think they'll go 14 or 14 and 3. 14. Yeah. 14 wins. The question. Daniel Jones, his one playoff game wasn't great, but you know, that's your first playoff game. So remember they lost

to Minnesota when he was with the Giants. No, they beat Minnesota. They were the next. Sorry. No, he was good at this game. He was the next game. That's the one. Yeah, it was the opposite.

No, no. The next game he was terrible. Yeah. No, they're not contenders, though. They haven't beaten anybody good yet. That's the, I want to see that. They got to be somebody good. And Denver, they, you know,

They beat Denver, but I think that was a, I think Denver helped them out on that. Playoff team. That was, they're good, but not a contender. Like Super Bowl. I agree. Update. Dussie, tell us in my ear again so I get it right. Omarian Hampton on the IR, breaking news.

Oh, that's why they wouldn't get him the ball late. Okay. Chargers are hurt and enthusiasts around this team has come back to Earth. Right guard, Mackay Beckton and Trey Pimpkins both left the game yesterday. Herbert throws for 166. Sacked generally on the move. Here's Herbert this season. First, two games.

Pretty good. Last three games, everything less. Do the Chargers need more from Justin Herbert or? Victim of circumstance. We knew going into the year Slater was out. The real significant injury they've had is Joe Walt getting hurt last week and now missing time. And that is a very significant injury. because they had already missed Slater.

But this is three weeks in a row where the Chargers offense has looked really good in the first quarter and then gone totally dormant for the next three. Now, the first of those three weeks, Herbert rallied at the end. That was the Broncos game. Yeah, and it woke back up, so to speak, and made one of the best plays anyone's made all season. And I think he has played better eye test-wise than those numbers. suggest, but the problem with having put no peltz on the wall of any substance this late into your career is people aren't going to be all that interested in the nuance of the

circumstances, and they're going to say through two weeks, your loudest supporters of which there are many in the media were like, see, I told you, this guy's as talented as anybody in the league. and now it feels like we're back in the very similar cycle of it's not his fault. And I don't really think yesterday was primarily his fault, but they scored 10 points immediately and then didn't score again. That's not great.

It's just not great. Yeah, they're going to have to get more from Herbert, period, stop. Like, he's the highest paid, and it's not just about that, but you have quarterbacks that you deem elite to erase what you know, what you don't have. To make right what you lack. He has to make it right. In every offense, you have built in, built in huts, built in outlets.

So you know, I don't have my tackles. I don't have them. This is the league. This is National Football League. Guys are going to be playing without guys that they really wish that was out there. How can you overcome it? Can you be a difference maker? Can you be an impact player and still win games?

If you are that type of a guy, Justin Herbert has to prove that. Can I ask you a question? Last year's Lions hurt defense were winning, and then collectively it felt like the media and maybe even like the NFL themselves, Lions themselves were like, we're too banged up. We are past next man up. But they weren't though. They were 15.

At the very end, they were too hurt. I'm saying at the very, very end. The playoff game. I think they always felt that they would still be. Right. They would still be able to. Yeah. in the final game of the year for the one seed.

Yeah, but they gave up a ton of points. No, I don't think that this is... Like, are we headed that way? So we might, this is the, this is... I think we, they might be too banged up to win a championship. I think that's fair. And like the, but they are not so banged up

that you should score 10 points on Washington. Like, you just, because you lost, like you went into the game without Slater and without Alt and with Beckett. in coming back. I understand they lost their rookie running back during the game, but like you the, Herbert

if they had lost this game, 31, 27, that's one thing. They scored 10 points and then they had 27 straight points scored on them. They haven't scored 30 this year. Yeah. And what concerns me is last year they didn't throw that much. He only had three interceptions. He's got four in the last

three games. Can Mahomes play his way on to Bruce Bowley? The big performance tonight against the Prince. Next, maybe the Prince can get on the ballot. What about that? No, he hasn't played well. He needs a long stretch. Sunday on Fox, Dak and the Cowboys taking on the Panthers.

Rico Dowdle revenge game. That a four Titans, Raiders. That's all Sunday on Fox. Tonight, the Chiefs are favored by more than a field goal in Jacksonville against the Prince. And a pretty stingy defense that has been forcing a lot of turnovers. Brewer, are you expecting Mahomes to play his way onto Brew's MVP ballot? Because remember, he was right on the cusp. Yeah, yeah.

I'm not sure if one, two, I mean, maybe he's certainly got a chance, but a great game and he is in strong consideration. Right now, does he have a, do you think he will pass Drake May on your ballot? Yeah, he's had a tougher schedule. That's okay. But Drake, yeah, I probably would have him ahead. That's okay. I respect your objective. But Drake is on the...

I don't think this will be... I don't think that this is going to be a huge stats game. If he doesn't have a huge stats game, then it's going to be hard, which is fine. He's not in consideration for number one. Right, no, and he shouldn't be at the moment, by the way. Because Baker wasn't even on the ballot last week, and I assume he's going to be, you know, super high on it.

I think the chiefs feel like if they don't turn the ball over, they can't lose tonight. I can see. And so they're going to have a ball control. very conservative game plan early and see if sadly if the prince gives them one. Okay, so that will bring us to our picks with our new graphic, Greg. Do you have a pick for tonight's game? I do.

Jags Chiefs. I do. Give me the Jaguars, Lynn Cohen. I love what he's doing right now. That defense is playing some great ball. And Brian Thomas Jr. He's going to wait. He's going to wake up tonight.

Okay. He needs you to show up. Craig, you know. Nick, do you have a pick? Yeah, I'm not very often when you pick against the Chiefs, it's on a Friday, and then you're not, you don't have to deal with the fallout of your erroneous prediction. I know we're not on tomorrow because of baseball, but we are on again this week. Are you sure?

That's the direction you want to go? I've never heard you be a big jack yet. The question is, are you sure? Yes. Because you got the Prince and you got my home. Listen, some would say I can't lose tonight, however, I can lose, because, much as I love the Prince. The Chiefs need to win this game.

Chiefs win this game. They're three and two with a house money game against Detroit before Rishi gets back. Ooh. I mean, so, yeah, but they, two and three going into that Detroit game feels very different. Gru, do you want to run the anchor leg? Do you want me to go? Uh, I'll go. Look, it wouldn't pain me to see the Chiefs lose.

But. Drew wants to be right. Brew's got to put some wins on. I think the Chiefs are going to win. I think the Chiefs are going to. I'm also. taking the cheese. I'll tell you what I'm looking for. I'm looking for a Travis Hunter moment that we haven't gotten on like the national stage. Is he on the doorstep of destiny? Not

necessarily. But if we were going to, when are we going to have our breakout? Oh, wow. Travis Hunter moment. We're having like every week when we were at Colorado. Now we're just a little different competition. I know, but I'm waiting. We've had big moments from other rookies. Yeah. I'm just waiting for this Travis Hunter moment. Yeah. Travis Hunter lined up on Xavier for some of the games. He was flirting with the, was it an ankle? Oh, Xavier's fine.

He was like, he's bouncing on and off. He showed up on the injury report because his ankle swall, it's swell, swelled up. On the plane ride. So, and, and, but no, he'll be fine. He's going to fly. Okay.

Coming up next, all of the weird and wonderfuls that we didn't run, including the catch of the year from Stefan Diggs. Yeah, from Stefan Diggs. That's not catching. Oh. And I weren't you supposed to promote, hey, what's going on?

Hey, what's, I know. He just keep putting, hey, what's going on. That's. Welcome back to first things first. Wonderful episode of Weird and Wonderful. Start with the Weird. Brew, I'm sorry about this one. Raven's Texans.

This was crazy. Jalen Well, scores to make it 4110. It's his first touchdown in the NFL. He hits the Ray Lewis stands. And the only Raven who cares is the one who's never been there. It's his second game with the team. Yeah, the disrespect. I thought it was a little bit.

bit of an homage, no. Well, no. No. No. By the way, he did get the ball back somehow. He tweeted that he has the ball. Jai'er was like, we don't allow that around here. This is, he's played like 30 snaps with the Ravens.

It does seem weird that there's, I don't know, I think it's always a fun conversation slash somewhat odd conversation like did not enough Ravens come to just do like a beat him up shoving match. No, sure, yeah, of course, you got to jump him. It's the, yeah, this are the rules. Yeah, but the Ravens. Know what I'm feeling, bro? 10 man mode oh no tin man mode oh no tin man mode look right now every you can say there's no

defending what's going on right now this was a great wonderful that was great score's 20 20 Patriots in Buffalo uh two inches ago play break is basically tackled by 320 pound deacon Jones he finds Stefan for the catch of pay W this is catch of here it's also kind of the whole circle one right this is is the 180 degree opposite of the Mac Jones Chandler Jones moment. Where Chandler's is stiff, the double lateral, least athletic quarterback ever gets stiff-armed. This is your guy getting pulled to the ground,

very strong enough, and athletic enough to make that play. That's why that game had to be so exciting. Because for the first time since Josh Allen's been in the league, you looked at it and you were like, at least for a night, that's a fair fight. Josh first Drake is a fair fight. Josh is better, but it's not obvious.

Right, correct, but it's, it, yeah. Wonderful, Blue Jays up five nothing on the Yankees. I love it. It is loaded. And courtesy of Lattie bases unloaded. Yankees lose game one, 10 to 1. They lose game two, 13 to 7. Game three is tomorrow night right here on FS 1.

We'll be off watching the Yankees. I got a poll for the Yankees at this point. The rare 13 to 7 playoff baseball game that was not as close as it sounds. That game was over immediately. It's the fourth inning. They just kept giving up bombs. Yep. You know what the question is?

Are the Yankees maximizing Aaron judges primed? Thus far, no. They better win tomorrow. First thing's first. Overtide coming up now. Live in New York, the show that's welcoming Drake May into the MVP conversation, not the MVP, not on the ballot,

but in the mix. and in the conversation. Wiles just wants us just wants this to happen. Hey, Drake May, seeing the MVP conversation. And even by asking it.

Exactly. That's what I said. You don't even need a response. Can I say no? You can say no. But by saying no, there's the conversation. Got it.

He's more in the mix than I hate to say it. But then, let's revisit that. Wow. Wow. Right now. Wow. Right now.

That's objectively true. Today, are we buying stock in Baker's MVP case, a fresh edition of stock up, stock down, with a very clever lead in. Really? Who wrote the lead? I wrote it. You love it. Meanwhile, last night's loss for Josh Allen, just a bad game or actually a bad sign for the bills and Josh Allen. But right now we're talking about the once undefeated Eagles.

Broncos hand Philly, their first loss of the season 2117. Jaylen Hertz was asked about the fourth quarter collapse, and he had this to say about Philly moving forward. We got to go back and really learn from this, take ownership for the things that we can control, look into our process and our system, and see what needs to be reset and what doesn't need to be reset and continue to press forward.

Okay, Danny, how concerning is this loss for, Philadelphia. Pretty, pretty concerning. Like, it's not panic time yet, obviously. They're four and one and they're the champs. But this is just objectively weird. And I remember last year when Nick Siriani was catching heat, a lot of us were asking, like, what exactly do you do here?

It feels like he has to call Kevin Petulow, the new offensive coordinator, into his office and maybe exert a little bit more control. over his offense because I watched every snap of that game, and I know Denver's defense is excellent, but I don't understand why they are so bad offensively. If they've got a top five line and a top two running back and a top two wide receiver duo and Eagles fans will tell you a top five quarterback,

and they're all relatively healthy, why are they this inconsistent? And that just add it to the pile of weird Eagles games and specifically offensive performances. Like, we can just show you. show you five games. It's not hard to remember because they're the champs. Three points in the second half against Dallas, Dallas bottom three defense in the NFL. Five pass attempts in the second half against Kansas City. Where did it go? One negative net passing yard in the first half

in that Rams game when you thought there was a typo on the scoreboard. Then they get out gained by 278 yards in the second half against Tampa. And then they're winning by two touchdowns in the fourth quarter against Denver and they run the ball two times. Like I don't understand. any of it. I don't get any of it. I think your point about because we haven't, we talk about a lot of teams that are injured

about what's happened to them because they're injured. We don't, and this is not us, it's just sports media in general. We don't very often be like, hey, one reason to be concerned, this team has been exceptionally healthy and they don't look totally right. Your point that

Philly, I understand Landon Dickerson, Ben Dill and stuff, and Lange's Johnson. Right, but that's not an injury. He left the team. And Lane Johnson left the game but came back. But their stars, for the most part, have been there the whole time. And they just don't have an offensive identity. I have no idea what the Eagles are going to look like. And it's they are, and this Barnwell pointed this out, he's right. It's, you know, adjust for inflation, I suppose. They're the most expensive offense in the history of the NFL. They are widely regarded as Danny put out, you know, top five at basically every season. spot with the question being quarterback is he top eight instead of top five, but whatever. And they can't brew have a normal game. And so I find the fact that they went from, why can't you pass, why can't you pass, why can't you pass to pretending they don't have Sequin Berkeley, that type of correction, oddly more concerning than the loss. I don't really care that they're four and one versus five and oh. The only reason I think the loss is noteworthy.

is it allows us more fairly, if you will, to focus on the fact that this team has only looked right offensively for a couple quarters at a time this year, and then they've looked like the second half in the comeback against the Rams, the first half against Tampa, and the first half of the season are the only times where it's felt like, oh, that's Philly's offense humming. And so I don't get it.

And I feel badly just being like it's the lowest paid guys on the, you know, involved fault, the offensive coordinator. It's not the head coach, not the quarterback, not the stars. But he is what's different. Everyone else has been there. And we don't think those players all got markedly worse unless the argument is the offense last year was elevated massively by Sequin's historic season. And now that Sequant's having a down year, everything's falling apart with it. but that undermines Jalen Hertz as to like that that brings into question how good is Jalen Hertz if that's the case. I'm not concerned.

And I agree with a lot of what you said. They don't have an identity clearly. I do have issues with the offensive coordinator. I think he's been darn near terrible this year. And yet there's still four and one. I mean, that schedule was five really strong teams. And because Sequant, is so good because their two receivers are so good.

And Jalen has done it long enough, even though he gets questioned, the dude is really good. I mean, and he shows it too, even some of the throws he made yesterday, like the long win, the Devonty Smith and stuff. So I, they do have to work out like the balance between the run in the past. But as far as like thinking they won't be a contender, a top tier contender. NFC, I see nothing to feel that way at all. Yeah, I think it's the opposite. I think it's why they're so scary. Like I was reading our buddy, Zach Berman, who does great reporting for them for the athletic out of Philadelphia. And it's like, they got to get to play in a little bit quicker.

They got to be more detail oriented. The penalties hurt them in that game. There was a very questionable late hit. Like, they're talking about that game like it was just the margins and little execution, fine-tuned the details, and they'd be five and no. Like, that's actually why I think the Eagles are so scary. So I don't think it's all in there for them. So I would agree with that entirely. And I said last week that I thought they could take a page out of the Chiefs from a couple years ago playbook, which is if you are having trouble passing the ball, have a game where you work on passing. I didn't think to the extent of having a two touchdown leading the second half and stop running Seekwondo.

That was weird. But here's the reason that I can't fully be on board with this. it also feels a lot like how the team felt two years ago. Yeah. Where the record was great, where they had played a tough schedule, and yet every week it was another, what, huh? What was it? What's going on?

Oh, hey, what's going on? Hey, what's going on? It almost was more shocking than, hey, what's going on. It almost deserves the rare. What exactly is happening now? Yeah. Oh, is that a spinoff? Yeah.

It's a spin off. That one doesn't roll off the time. But exactly. What exactly is happening now? I don't know. But regardless. Like, Hold on what?

A lot of that's the media, though. But the media is not going away. As much. Except. Like, I think they should not buy into that. Well, but AJ is going to be, like, voice his displeasure if it's there. And like, that's the other thing we haven't talked about here. AJ, after asking for the ball of those times.

Listen, I don't know that he quit on that route. I don't know if it was overthrown. People I respect in both camps of that. But that doesn't help. It's just, it's a lot, it's very angsty for a four-and-one defending Super Bowl champion. That's all I'm saying. Sequin down from 125 yards to 53 yards a game. They've got the Giants on Thursday night, so it's not a ton of time to game plan.

I think it's good that they get a game Thursday. Because they can't do. No, I just think it's because this game that you bounce back. Yeah, you just have a quick. You know what's even better is the giant. That helps. That'll help. Meanwhile, we'll head out to see what the charges are up to.

Justin Herbert's MVP case made it peaks too early. Chargers lose again while Herbert and a banged up offense only put up 10 points, 166 yards while getting sacked four times. Here's Danny's guy, Justin Herbert. Take a listen. That's just, you know, things that we have to be better at and stuff that we have to take a long look at. you know, have to address that. And, you know, it's tough. The game is tough enough already.

And we're making it tougher on ourselves when we do that. So it's stuff that we have to fix. And stuff like we said earlier is out of, you know, out of character. And so it's on us to watch the film, get better from it. And continue to harp on those little details. Earlier in the show, we saw a brew take out a cardboard box and put all of his Raven stuff in it and basically give up on the Baltimore Ravens. No, I did not.

I did not. It was a sad moment. Life support. Stuff's on life support. So cannot give, well, go ahead. I don't even know what the question is. I just made it up. Yeah, go ahead.

Listen, I think there's, I pray at the altar of logic and reason, but there's only one logical conclusion to come to. And that is that Justin Herbert is cursed. Okay. It's the only, it is the only thing we've gone to the metaphysical. It is the only logical explanation for, I mean, I thought he was cursed when I watched the game with you yesterday. And since then, Omari and Hampton is out for four weeks.

So it's another, another injury to pile on top of this. But listen, anybody could show you Quentin Johnston dropping the ball. Anyone could show you a deflected interception or a touchdown being taken off the board for running into the punter, flipping the game. It would have been 177, then it ends up 10, 10 at half. That's rudimentary 101, 201 level analysis. I'm going to take you guys inside a little play I like to call second and 19.

It's not an advantageous down. They get sacked on first down. Brings up second and 19. Let's roll the tape. Second 19, tough spot. Here's Justin Herbert. Hanging in the pocket, pressure. He converts it.

What a great play. That's a Peyton Manning 2.0 play. Unbelievable conversion. Only problem is the backup right tackle commits a hold. So they got to wipe out second and 19. All right. You know, we're not going to panic though, Brew. Because it's second and 28.

Justin Herbert, he's got him right where he wants him. Second and 28 inside the 10, hangs in the pocket. A beautiful throw over the defender to Keenan and Allen on the 7 for a conversion. The only problem is that was taken off the board by a five-year pound. There was no play in the playbook for second and 33. That was the problem. So he converts second 19. He converts second in 28.

He's the only player in the league. 10 penalties. Look at all of this stuff. Where is Justin Herbert on that list of Chargers miscues? The guy is a victim of everyone around him. The bottom one. is where he is when they had a chance to be right back in the game and he throws an interception in the end zone.

The ball was tipped right to another guy. That is bad luck. Okay. Objectively. That happened to any other quarterback. I'm not saying that. If the ball gets, if by tipped it is off your own receiver's hands. Like what happened in the playoff game to Justin Herbert twice? Okay.

Sure. You can go that bad luck. I don't know that the defender getting his hand up. That's a great defensive play. But here is, here's the. problem is you all in the Herbert Cabal. And again, I'm going to take a page out of Bruce book. I like Justin Herbert.

Yeah, yeah. I think he's obviously a good player. He's a great player. But the folks, we have no evidence of that. None. Other than eyes. Right. Other than eyes.

Again, you're, we have had to listen to folks say, I swear to you, he's a great player. Yes. And then, and again, I think he's a good player. It's great. We had folks say this was going to be the year. He proved it all. And you said that knowing Slater was out.

So they've had one substantial injury prior to yesterday. Joe All, it's a big injury. Guys get hurt. Guys get hurt. But you knew Slater was out going into it and you were fine with it. It shouldn't all hinge on one tackle whether or not he's going to become Peyton Manning 2.0, which luckily we can update the graphic. I don't know.

Let's see how Peyton Manning. Peyton Manning through year six. They were 5-0, 32 points a game. 11 touchdowns of 103 rating, and he won league MVP. I don't think Justin Herbert's getting there. I didn't sanction this great. And so I'm just, and so I know Danny your tongue in cheek, Justin Herbert is cursed. The problem is that's kind of like the smart football opinion.

No, the guy's just obvious, obviously he is 90% of. talented is Alan or Mahomes. He's just the unluckiest guy in football. And I just think it's bananas. We're still, we are still in a spot where the Chargers can score 10 points in a game against a defense. No one thinks is great. And, and the smart opinion is the quarterback played awesome. Actually, if you watch the film, we watched it together. Yeah. He was good. Okay. What is great? Then I guess great would have been 14 points. That would have been. That would have been amazing. Yeah, I mean, I think that at some point, you are who you are.

And Herbert's a nice player. That's who he is. He's a nice player. Look, I agree with you, Danny, on the eye test. Like, he throws a mean ball. I mean, he looks great. He looks the part. And he is very good.

Like Nick said, we agree with that. But he doesn't look like he's going to be Peyton Manning 2.0. No, he's sure enough. And if he is, now is the part. the time you step up and carry your team. You know, and he's got, last year they took the ball out of his hands. He only had three interceptions.

This year, they put the ball back in his hands, and he's got four interceptions in his last three games. And you begged him to do it. You were mad at them last year for running the ball too much. That was why they didn't achieve higher. They didn't give him ball enough. Now, their rookie running backs out a month, and it's like, oh, what can the guy do?

He's not going to have a running back. Well, we got to get the stock up, stock down. Okay. It's time now to act like brew in the commercial break and check the stock market. This time it's football storylines. Danny, who stock is up? That's amazing. Portfolio strong to quite strong.

Congratulations on all your success. Drake Maystock, your guide, doorstep of destiny. He is, listen, that is his fourth quarter passer rating over the course of the five weeks in the season. He was basically perfect in the entire second half yesterday. I think the only quibble I would have with Nick and Brew over how this show started today. You guys were both fall. I'm so happy for Wilds. I'm so happy for you.

Leader of the show, handsome, charming. I'm not happy for you. Why? Okay. It's been, what, four years since Tom Brady? You had to go through Cam Newton and Mack Jones, and now you've got a guy who's clearly awesome. And if I was going to buy stock and a quarterback, he would be one of the eight most of the eight. most valuable stocks.

17 years. You're the kid at the Patriots parade. It's like, oh my God, we've had it so hard in Boston. That's you. I don't feel bad. Talk to me when you're a Jets fan, a Browns fan or a Bears fan. That is a fair take, but it does feel like as we walk through the doorstep of Destiny, that we actually just belong on the top of the ASC.

It's just like things get back to how they're smug. So, listen, I think that you guys. that you guys, there's a big, big step between where you are now and being the top of the AFCs. Sure. I just want to be out of this. I want to be out of the wilderness. Right. And that for four years. And this is, and Brew, and I think you'll agree with me here. I know Danny does. This is why, particularly in the AFC, you have to swing on Tradescy quarterbacks. You can't, in my opinion, It's why I will never like the Bo Nick's pick. We'll see how it works out.

I didn't like the Mac Jones pick. You need to have a guy who can be toe to toe in a game against Josh Allen and for the night be like, I'm going to do all this Josh Allen stuff as well as Josh Allen. Because you're going to run into Patrick or Lamar or Josh or Joe, who's not the traitsy guy, but just so accurate. And you know what I mean? Herbert. Right.

Well, that's the bet on Herbert, honestly. Like the bat on Herbert is his talent is high enough. Like I think May's talent is high enough. And but I just think you guys probably have a, that last step's the biggest. All right. Stock down. Yeah.

Yeah, okay, I got you. Stock down. Common sense. It happened again. Amari DeMarcato. What are you doing? You had eight carries on the season before this. This is the longest running your career by far.

It happened to week to week to week. Common sense. No one had done. drop the ball. We got through three weeks in the NFL. Then in week four, 80 Mitchell on the Colts did it. And you know we've, you guys talked to Coach Manjini. We all do. Every team in the league put that Adonite Mitchell play up and said, hey, if you're going to score a touchdown, be sure before you celebrate, you cross the goal line. And then DiMarcato did it again. It's an epidemic to Sean Jackson, Leon Led. It happens in college football. It happened to Malachi Corley on the Jets last year. What's going on? I don't get it. I was talking with Greg earlier, and he said it even on the show. It's he said, I said, I think it's showboating. He said it's not showboating.

It's you get in the end zone and you feel like you're done. And I'm like, well, wait, you can't wait two more yards to drop the ball or whatever. Look, I don't necessarily want this to happen. If I was the head coach, I might cut him. Well, Jonathan Gannon didn't cut him, but it did appear he punched him. What did he do? It was like a, was it this? Again, I don't, maybe what I said there,

maybe I shouldn't have said that on TV. The video that we have seen from the sideline, it looks to me like he, like smacked him in the chest. I don't know what the, again, we don't have a reverse angle of it. But Gannon was incensed, understandably. Now, they had plenty of chances after that. Also, I am, I agree with you, Danny.

that it was ridiculous what he did. I also am shocked they overturned that. I thought he scored. That one, see, that one, all the other ones have been obvious. You're like, the guy is setting the ball down, and they have the very clear shot. A.D. Mitchell, you can see it fumbling out of his hands. It, to me, looks like he actually,

when he is moving it forward to flip it, it crosses, and we know the goal line, it's, you know, it's like a horse field. It just pass it in the plays. over. So I was, I was stunned they overturned. The thing is that cost, that could cost Jonathan Dan and his job. Oh, yeah. Ultimately. Like ultimately. I mean, they're not going to do it. You know what mean? Because they, they've got, what, two games they've given away this year? They easily could miss the playoffs on that loss. Yes. Of course. And that's, that's where that. And Nick, I'm with you. I thought

there was an argument that that should not have been overturned, but he's slowing down. And I Right. Why are you even slowing down? Right. Like in baseball, like Ty goes to the runner, like in Little League River. I have no problem with Ty goes to reward the defense. That's such a boneheaded play. I just hope guys stop doing this because it doesn't. It's embarrassing. It doesn't make any sense.

Stock up, the final stock up in the stock market. The Bake Show, his MVP stock is way up. I wish I had a Baker Mayfield MVP ticket from before the year because you could have Baker Mayfield at 27 to 1 right now, which is where his odds began before the season. And then as he has gone on with each and every fourth quarter comeback, all of their wins on the last minute of regulation. I think 12 to 1 is still good value. That's what I was going to ask. You can get him right now 12 to 1, 15 to 1. You know, I love line shopping.

Yeah. Feels to me like they've got a path to the one seed. Dak is probably the favorite to lead the league in passing, but Baker's a top three option there. Baker Mayfield MVP. It's really like. Yeah. I mean, it feels like Lamar is out of it. So, I mean, Alan, Mahomes, and Herbert are the only guys in front of him.

Herbert's in front of him? I don't know how Herbert is doing that. I can't wait to see Bruce Ballot. I understand why Josh is where he is. And Patrick, it basically is just a bet that Patrick's going to hit a hot streak. And, like, Mahomes' MVP odds have a floor, essentially. No matter how he's playing, the market's afraid of putting him at 20 to 1, and then he hits a hot streak. But I think because of when we showed you guys, they're serious.

schedule earlier that they and one of the reasons I picked them to go to the Super Bowl was because I thought they had a great path to the one seed that right hand column Baker could over the final six weeks of the year have 20 yeah have 20 touchdowns in one pick and the team go fight like the only game that wouldn't be a shocking loss is home against Atlanta and Atlanta team they already beat on the road so I yeah I agree with you Danny I think he legitimately could win MVP. What a story that would. That's what I was going to say.

Would make his football story from walk on to Heisman, the number one pick to cut from bouncing around. One of the most unique NFL stories ever. Yeah. Question is there. Excellent episode of stock up stock down. Coming up next on overtime, is it officially panic time for the Ravens who are giving up 40 points in their losses?

That's right. Still the favorites to win that division. I'm shocked saying that. All right, welcome back. First things first. We got Greg Jennings and Willie Colon out here. We go to Baltimore where the very injured Baltimore Ravens. You see Lamar Jackson there.

You'd rather see him in shoulder pads and a helmet. He's an exciting player. Brutal loss to CJ Stroud and the Texans. 10 points, three turnovers, a very unfamiliar one and four record. Here's head coach John Harbaugh on the State of the Ravens. All right, obviously, guys. I got beaten every way you can get beat, very disappointed with that. I did not expect to see that just a complete disappointment.

And we're going to find a way to turn it around and figure out who we are this next week and then into the buy and after the buy. We're going to have more than half the season left and we're going to have to find ourselves. So that's what our aim will be going forward. So in terms of panic for the Ravens, this is a weird spot because I think we all know they're better than their record if they're healthy, but they're not healthy. And so as I see it, the only argument you can make that it's not time to panic for the Ravens is schedule-based. Because it's not about their play.

It's not about what they've actually put it. But we can show you the schedule because it's not ridiculous to say they lose to the Rams and there are a seven and a half point underdog in that game and they go to one and five. And then when are you picking them to have their next loss? But that's the old, like playing that schedule game is the only argument. to make that the Ravens are going to be okay. You panicking, Willie? Listen, as a former still, I spent most of my pro career despising the Baltimore race.

Couldn't want nothing to do or can't stand them. Yesterday, I'm going to be honest, I was a little sad. Because with that disdain, there's a love and appreciation. Respect. In the Baltimore DNA, there's bully ball, right? We couldn't find that. That didn't exist, right? And so now we watched the Houston Texans who can't

Came into Baltimore, and I thought it was going to be a scrap match, but I expected because I expected Baltimore just have the better roster to come out on top. They hit the mute button on Derek Henry. Mark Andrews only had two catches for 22 yards. You couldn't find Isaiah likely. Rashall Bateman couldn't get open. The offensive line continues to struggle. Defensively, they stink, period.

So I'm looking at this team right now, and I'm saying to myself, who are you? Like, where's the edge? You know what I mean? I understand. Listen, we can give them to out injuries, right? But this is a team where we talked about in the start of the season, they already had a place at the table. Right? It was Buffalo, Baltimore, OK charges, chiefs, right?

But Baltimore was always in the conversation. When you have that much respect and you garner that much attention, even with your B game, your C game, you win games like that. They got punched in the mouth and didn't respond. So for me, it's not about the schedule. It's not about the injuries. I don't recognize who the Baltimore Ravens are. And that's what's heartbreaking. I'm like, I may hate Miami, but I still love you because you make me better.

They're not even like, the AMC North is weaker because they weak. You get what I'm saying? Like as a group. Look, I'm with you, Willie. I didn't like the way that they lost. I'm not panicking because you have a two-time MVP still on your roster and he's not available right now. And if that were not the case, yes, I would be panicking. The problem that I see with the Boston Ravens is a lot of revolving around what you said.

But this team with players in and out of the lineup, you still feel like the personnel, the construct of who we are, we are still a competitive outfit. Seven starters out within. And that just, but it doesn't matter. Yes, go, go brick. But it still shows up on tape. Some form of who we are should show up. And that's what Willie's talking about.

and it's not showing up. And if this were the Chiefs, if this were the Niners, which we saw up against the Rams, it's supplemented by coaching. Kyle Shanahan, Robert Sala, that defense, getting the other guys to elevate their game by putting them in position.

John Harbaugh isn't doing that right now. When I listen to him, I'm hearing the same thing after the Chief loss. Facts. Like, I'm hearing the same things. Yeah. Like, we got to figure out, Who we are?

Well, you're listening to a coach that's out of answers. And when you watch yesterday's tape, I didn't realize so much was revolved or leaned on number eight, right? He's the Jesus in cleats. You don't have Jesus and Cleats right now, but you still have Derek Henry. You still have Mark Nets. You still have all these things that could work for you. And all those things got muted.

That's coaching. That's what's Craig talking about right now. Well, I'll just say this. For whatever faith you put in the odds makers, the favorites to win the AFC North right now are the one and four Baltimore Ravens. So they still think they're going to be hosting a playoff game. I mean, you got to look who's in front of them. The Bengals and the Steelers.

But that's the argument to not hit the panic button. Lamar will come back. And there are not good teams in front of them. That is the entirety of the argument. Let's go to Detroit here. The Lions, they kept doing Lions things, put up 37 on the Bengals. Golf had three touchdowns. You know, Sonic and Knuckles, Montgomery and Gibbs had three themselves.

defense stifled since he had three takeaways. Here's Dan Campbell speaking proudly on the Lions defense. This is the first time to have been here that we've really, that I feel like we're getting them in bunches early in the year. Normally it becomes, it comes a little later. So, man, I feel like it's, there's blood in the water, man. Our guys are starting to feel it, man. They want to be the next guy who gets the punch out of the strip or the interception.

And we're hunting it. If the ball's in the air, we're going after it. And that's a tenacious defense, you know. So obviously they're more known for their offense than their defense. But if their defense is going to get takeaways like that, they are the most complete team in the NFL. And when I hear people talk about the Lions, there still is this like 90s tinge to it.

Like they're just like this sorry franchise or something. Like they have been dominant. Who feels like that? I don't feel like that. I just feel like in the commentary and maybe maybe I'm projecting, but they win 15 games last year, but they lose in the divisional round of Washington. Okay.

They get blown out by Green Bay in the opener. Like, if you just look at their body of work since day one of the 2023 season when they walked into Arrowhead and upset the Chiefs, these are the things they are the best at. Winning, blowing your opponent out, scoring yards, touchdowns through the air, touchdowns on the ground, and because they boat race so many teams, you stop running on them, and no one has run for fewer yards against than the Detroit Lions.

It's like, yeah, Greg, they are the most complete team in the NFL. Yeah, this is a no-brainer. Like when you, the eye test just tells you that they're the most complete team. And what Dan Campbell was alluding to is a, is a team that is challenging one another, that is competing with one another. And once you start competing with the guys that you're lining up against of who's not going, I'm not going to get a pressure today. I'm not going to allow a pressure today where I'm going to get the first interception.

I'm going to get, I'm going to get after quarterback before you get out. Like, great things happen. I'm talking great things happen. And this is a team that's not worried about their opponent. They're concerned about one another. And am I going to outperform my teammate? Am I going to be able to sit in that film room and be like, I got you on this one.

Like, when you talk about Sonic and Knuckles, obviously Montgomery and Gibbs, like you make a play, I'm about to make a play too. I got to get me one. That's what you want to have. That's when teams have fun having the type of success that they're having. And when you do that on both sides of the ball, I mean, it's going to be hard to beat this team if they keep this up. Yeah, well, I mean, we all alluded to the same thing.

The reason why Dan Campbell is so confident and can stick his chest out because he knows his brand of football can travel. It's hard to win in the NFL, especially on the road. You know that great. And from the deepest line standpoint, they play with an organized chaos. There is a level of discipline in which is in play and stay in their rush lanes.

They're going to slant, they're going to twist, T-E-T's. Sometimes they're going to walk that Sam down. Sam linebacker down on the line, slant the line. They do so many things with their front four that they're not a heavy blitz team because that four can eat. On top of that, when you talk about Aid Futchison, he's the lead dog. You know what I mean?

A guy coming off his ACL, his motor, you thought would take a tilt? No, what, you're turning on tape, he's still humming. So when you have those bell cows and you have that level of violence and you play with that level of chaos, as a coach, you say, press play, let us go. You know what I mean? That's where he's at. I don't have to worry about the nuances or the intangibles. I press play, let my guys go eat.

They were so injured on defense last year. I said it last year, I'll say it again. We were robbed of an Eagles Lions' NFC championship game. I agree with you on that. Those were the two best teams in the NFC last year, and I root for the Lions as just a fan of football, right? As a Bears guy, their rival, whatever. But just like you were talking about earlier, you respect the Ravens.

I respect what the Lions have built. I want to see them healthy in January. They're a great team. It goes to your point. They got to finish. They're all believers, but you guys. You got to finish. Got to finish.

Last night, it was Drake May's coming out party. But a weird one for Buffalo. Bad game or bad sign of things to come? We'll get into the Buffalo side of it next. Buffalo, Josh Allen, and the Bills lost their first game of the season. Drake May's coming out party put up two touchdowns. Josh Allen had an interception, lost a fumble. It was a very uncharacteristically sloppy game for the bills.

Here is a, we'll call it displeased Josh Allen. Take a listen. We just played sloppy. Um, not going to win a football game turning the ball over three times in our red zone, gave them one in their red zone. That's just bad, bad football. And we just did not play good tonight. We shouldn't have, shouldn't even been in it with three turnovers. So that's, again, that's just, that's just piss poor offense.

So you guys can tell me if I'm being an apologist here. The bills were my Super Bowl pick, Josh Allen, my MVP pick. I think that game was clearly an outlier. Like, like just a bad game. You watch the tape. bad taste in your mouth for 24 hours, and then you move on. Like, I do not think that is like a sign of things to come for the Buffalo Bills and went through it and we put together some of the like,

it's been this long since the things that happened last night. First time they lost the turnover battle since 2023. That is an NFL record. It was 26 straight games of winning the turnover battle. Having three turnovers, same thing. Last week of 2023, scoring less than 21 points. You have to go back a full count. calendar year, no rushing touchdowns, nearly a full calendar year.

We took out the game where Josh Allen only played one snap in week 18. Like, I just don't believe that that is the Buffalo Bills. I agree with you. I thought it was just a bad day for Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills. But we have to pay homage and respect to the Patriots. Yeah, that was Drake May's first game on prime time. He had to prove if he's the franchise quarterback. I thought the first half, he was okay, second half, he got hot.

13 for 14 for 184 yards. And what I loved about it, because they leaned on the run game, forced the linebackers of the bills to get closer to the line of scrimmage, and then he started hit to intermediate throws, starting to see and starting being able to play outside the numbers. What I loved about Mike Vrable right now, this team is matching his identity. We talk about being able to compete with Dan Campbell and the Lions. He's getting these guys able to compete. Christian Gonzalez is back on the defense.

They're playing like how Vrable played when he was in a Patriot's uniform. No nonsense, competitive, scrappy. And so when you turn it on a tape, I don't know if it was much about Josh Allen not being on his game other than I think the Buffalo Bill slept on the Patriots. I thought they was little brother. They tried a little brother when the Patriots was like, no, we're not having it today. Yeah, this is, this is every coach doesn't want to suffer this type of loss. But when it happened, it's like, we needed this. We needed this.

When you listen to Josh Allen in the vibrato that he's kind of discussed with, like, I mean, it was sloppy. We basically gave him one, another turnover here, another turn over there. It was just sloppy. I thought the ball was greased. They just kept dropping it. And when you, the reason why I say this is one of those games where coaches, they don't want to, they don't want to take the loss. But it's like, we need this because I need to be able to pull this card and get you guys back to what we were. Because somewhere along the line, you start feeling yourself.

I don't care who you are. Titleman kind of sets in. You talked about the big brother, the big brother mentality. Like no one's going to lay down just because we're the Buffalo Bills and you're Josh Shal and you're always going to be able to pull out this cape and put it on and make this big play. So I think for a team like that, it's just a bad game. And they will be able to reset because they understand that that's not the goal.

The goal isn't just winning every regular season game. We've been really good in the regular season. The goal is to not allow these things to creep up in our play so that when it, matters, we are all buttoned up. I want to say side note, DP, I thought his body language was the worst I've ever seen. He was clearly very frustrated. Frustrated, but it seemed at times like he was like, not only using unchristian-like words to guys, but there was a level where like, he was like, let's just start the whole thing over.

Like, he was surprised they were playing not bad and him himself couldn't correct it. You know what I mean? It had been years since they played that back. But there's a sense where you're a star like, man, just give me the ball, get out the way. He felt like he tried to do that at times. and then the turnover were starting to start to play peekaboo with him. And he was just like, not into all whites. You know what I mean?

Like not on a Sunday night. You know, this is supposed to be the bills. I will say, just as a fan of football, the Patriots owned that division for two decades, the bills have owned it for five straight years. It would be nice if there was like another team that could be like somewhat competitive with Buffalo. Seriously, because we gave Buffalo the division on week one. Yes. Oh, pencil them into a home playoff game in a division title.

So Drake May, Josh Allen, doing battle for the next eight to 10 years, that would be a good thing. I would appreciate it. Rough game for Josh Allen and the bills last night, but pretty incredible performance between these two teams. A wildly entertaining game, 38, 35, the Bakeshow with another win in the fourth quarter. They are four and one on the year. Here's Baker Mayfield on his season and the Bucks going forward. Obviously, I mean, the games we've had so far this year, as long as we have time on the clock, we got a chance. And our guys truly, truly believe that from the bottom of their hearts.

So it's a good feeling to have. And just guys executing, doing all the little things right. Don't think you can be too over the top in your praise of Baker Mayfield. That's fair. Like, two starting offensive linemen out. Mike Evans out. Bucky Irving out. Flying from Tampa to Seattle.

Seattle's defense was top 10 in the NFL coming into that spot. Like I know that, and I'm the type of guy who would do this analysis, like they're four and one. all four of their wins are within the last minute of regulation in the fourth quarter. First time in NFL history, a team has started with their first four wins being like that. So they easily could be two and three, right, if some of those games go differently. But I just have so much respect for what that man is able to do on the offensive side of the ball. 38 points on Seattle is incredible. That is a hell of a statement.

Baker has been impressive. Yes. Not just as, not just with his performance, but just with how he, conducts himself now. Like he is the alpha. He is the guy that sets the tone. And when you hear him talk about, you know, everybody believes that at the bottom of their hearts,

yes, because you believe it, because you show it, because you have given us the confidence that if I get the ball, will you give me a chance? We're going to make something special happen. And he understands he can't just do it himself. And I love to see that because there's no excuses because they've had a,

You talked about the guys that were out. And so what I'm seeing Baker do is really cement himself as not just an elite quarterback in this league, but one of the best quarterbacks in this league, period. Stop. This is what he's been doing all season long without a full roster of what they are going to be moving forward. I love everything that I'm seeing out of Baker Mayfield. Yeah, when you turn on the tape, man, especially with Baker Mayfield. The box as a whole, especially led by hand, has become much-watched TV.

You're watching a football player play quarterback, not a quarterback, play football. And that's awesome. I play with a guy like that in Benville, Officer Berger, when in crucial situations, they throw the playbook out the window and they say, hey, give me the ball, I got this. And they get busy, Sandlot style. On top of that, we've also watched Baker win in different fashions come from behind, either up, closer. If there's guys down, he knows how to scramble, get the first down.

He's doing it with a level of passion. To your point, Greg, where a guy, it starts to become contagious because when you see a guy play on fire, you want to touch him just so you can wake yourself up and get some of that. And I always knew one thing about Baker Mayfield, especially once he left the Rams and he went through his whole deal. Once he left, when he's sitting landed in Tampa, he was going to have a prove it mentality. I'm going to prove you guys wrong because of what he displayed in college. When you watch the bucks right now because of the offensive line led by Trish and Warps, they look complete. We talked about the Lions being complete. They're learning how to play complete football,

especially with that defense on top of that. They could blitz you to death, but they also can run the ball. They beat you in multiple ways. But Baker, man, there's something about them when I think before you, oh, the buck's okay. Now when they're on, you're like, no, I got to watch this. I got to see them go. For years now.

I mean, they've just been consistent, like a top 10 offense the last three years. And Evans goes down, and there's a mecca Buka, rookie out of Ohio State rookie of the year right now. Him and JSN going back and forth. It literally was like Buka, JSN, and Sam Donald, by the way, played a heck of a game.

Oh, he got busy too. They were both great. It felt like a divisional round of the playoff. Yeah. And it was just last man standing with the ball. But yeah, like pick your favorite throw from Baker. There were 10 of them that you could choose from. He was incredible. Got a good one tonight. I think Nick might secretly

be rooted for the Prince to have a good game. He's probably good for the Chiefs. But how badly do the Chiefs need another big game from Mahomes? Preview Monday night football coming up. Mahomes decided to show up for work. Looking fresh. Willie, you could pull that off. You damn right.

Yeah, okay. I expected maybe an ounce of humility. I don't know why I thought that for it. I will bet on Willie, man. You think I can pull that off? I don't know if I could. Just a couple hours. We'll see if the Chiefs can get another monster game from the Holmes.

I feel like they need one. Guys, like, hey, maybe. more Xavier worthy than Mahomes, but yeah, I do think the chiefs need a monster from him. We just need to put a complete game together, right? Let their first 15 look like the light show, not a clunky show. And I think right now, enough of the pieces are on the field where you should start seeing some of the old chiefs come alive. But we'll see. It's going to be interesting the game. Yeah, I don't know if we need to see another monster game from Mahomes, but offensively, we need to see it look similar to what we last saw the last time we saw them on the field,

which was great. I'm on alert for Xavier Worthy just being awesome. Like, he might just What about the ankle? Not worried about the ankle? Well, I mean, just... We're going to see. We're going to see. Let's get a quick pick. I got the Jags.

Willie Colon. That was a very quick pick. You got the Jags in the upset. They're three and a half point dogs, Greg. I got the Jags too. And yeah. Oh, really! I get to be alone on an island.

With the homes, there's a three and a half point favorite. Let's go. I will take the Chiefs as a favorite at home. You're betting on Trevor Lawrence not to do something dumb? No. Come on now. If the first defense. They come out hot, they set the tone.

Travis Hunter, defense shows up. Travis Hunter? They're going to be excited. I would love to see Travis Hunter do something. Ryan Thomas. Chiefs. Duvall. We'll be back soon.

My first thing's first. Hit the dance, Duvall.