Focus: Adults in the Room - We Keep Us Safe: Pocket's World

Episode Date: October 1, 2026

Who was Antonio Mays Jr.? What was he up to at CHOP? A deep dive into Antonio’s last few weeks leads to perplexing rumors, new details about the night he was killed and conversations with the people whose lives were changed by his death. We Keep Us Safe is part of Focus, a dedicated documentary channel from KUOW Puget Sound Public Radio in Seattle, a proud member of the NPR network. Get in touch with the team by email at [e-mail]. Support KUOW and projects like this by donating at kuow.org/donate/focus.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Before we start, a note that this episode contains coarse and explicit language, as well as the sound of gun violence. Previously on, we keep us safe. Do Black Lives Matter to the SPD? We didn't kick them out. They abandoned this space. Chop existed for three weeks. By the time Antonio Mays Jr. arrived and the more dangerous side had prevailed. Do not walk around in the dark.

It is unsafe. The whole space felt darker and angrier. Two black teens had been shot. One of them was dead. Enough is enough. His name was Antonio Mays Jr. Protesters at CHOP said he was in the white Jeep attacking them when he was killed. It's that white car that's been circling around, shooting more shots into tents.

Antonio Sr. doesn't know what Antonio was doing during his days at CHOP. But he doesn't believe the protestant. protesters' narrative. He's telling me he's going to make me proud. He was going to accomplish something. I remember him saying something about, like, his friends and not wanting to seem like a pussy or whatever. And I told him, you have to not get a fuck

about what other people think about you. On June 26, 2020, three days before Antonio Mays Jr. was killed, a small crowd gathers on a street corner and chop. Hey, hey, okay, let them talk. Let them talk. We've got a video this moment. Yes, of course we understand that some of these changes will take time.

But there are certain things that are on those demands that are immediately actionable. It shows David Lewis, one of the breakout leaders of the protests that summer, talking about the movement's goals. A part of this is proving to Seattle to the world, really, that we can do these things ourselves. Right next to David, there is a tall kid wearing a black hoodie. He has a gray baseball cap, and he's wearing a medical mask around his baseball. mouth and nose. This kid is Antonio Mays Jr.

And he taps David on the shoulder and indicates he wants to speak. I have a question. Are you guys trying to change the system as well? People in this crowd start pointing their phones and their recorders at him as he delivers a critique of policing.

I would like to make you known that I wish that the police would have more supervision when it comes to their training to make sure that they're actually following their training. And what he's saying is training is not enough to make real change. Because when they're on these streets, they disregard all of it. And that's where the harassment steps in.

And I'm tired of this. And at some point, we're going to fight back. But you're pushing us to the edge. And the crowd really responds to this. They start applauding when he speaks. And for a few seconds, it seems like Antonio is speaking for the entire movement at CHOP. Our team discovered this video of Antonio by combing through dozens of hours of live streams recorded by Omari Salisbury, the journalist who covered the protests that summer.

The Antonio we see on this video really matches the version of him that his dad told us about. This idealistic kid who wrote the letter explaining why he wanted to go join the protests when he left home. And this kid who wanted to make a better world. But we've also heard Antonio got into a fight the night he died, that he was angry. And later that night, protesters thought he was attacking chop in a white Jeep. Aside from these brief glimpses, the last week of Antonio's life has been a mystery. People have filled in that missing week or whatever we don't know about Antonio with lots of rumors. I've heard accounts.

a torrent of speculation. So many theories. They came up repeatedly in interviews. He was always starting fights with people left and right. He had gotten so aggressive. Rumors about his intentions, about his character. I heard a lot of rumors about there being gang involvement. Gang initiation.

Doing donuts and waving guns. Shooting into the sky. Trying to be wild and have fun. Some of them have been used to excuse or justify his killing. On Facebook, right after the shooting, one protester posted, fuck around and find out, and then added, very quickly and cleanly dealt with by security. What a shot, someone else responded.

Another said, couldn't have done it better myself. Watching that video of Antonio, it's hard to reconcile the kid being cheered on by the crowd with the person who'd be shot and killed days later. How did he go from fighting for the cause? to being viewed as a threat to the camp. So what happened to Antonio at Chop? We spent months retracing Antonio's steps because we realized understanding his life leading up to Chop

is key to unlocking what took place the night he died. From NPR's Embedded with KUW in the Seattle Times, this is We Keep Us Safe. I'm Sidney Brownstone. I'm Will James. This is episode four. Some of the world's biggest companies have brought jobs and wealth to the Seattle region. That growth has come with some real pains, too. There are these hotspots. Seattle has the potential to be one of those. Tech people are getting replaced by AI, and you can't replace us with AI yet.

I'm Monica Nicholsberg. And I'm Joshua McNichols. We host Booming, a podcast about the economic forces shaping our lives here in the Pacific Northwest. We get into the stories that hit your wallet and our region. Listen now on the KOWW app or wherever you listen. There's been one interview that has played an outsized role in defining who Antonio was at CHOP. It's with a homeless protester named Sierra Walker, and it was recorded on a Seattle street just days after the shooting. I'm Antonio and Robert Street Sister.

Sierra tells a journalist from the Daily Mail that she was part of a street family that included Antonio and his best friend. at Chop, Robert West. Sierra says she spent a lot of time with them. And she calls Antonio by his nickname at Chop, Pocket. I just want to say it's forever pocket to all. In this interview, Sierra brings up a rumor. So about Chop saying that my little brothers was in a gang. That Antonio had a gang affiliation.

We'd heard this same rumor on social media. People were posting online right after the shooting that the boys were doing a gang drive-by. that they were part of the bloods, and that self-appointed shop security had prevented a mass shooting by firing back. We wanted to learn more about this. So I found Sierra on Facebook in 2025,

and I called her up. So, Sierra, can you tell me how you met Antonio? There was four young boys that was protesting, and I just got attached to Antonio. She confirmed, Antonio arrived in Seattle as a protester. He told me he was just in Seattle protesting because his dad wouldn't let him protest in California.

Sierra is now in her 30s. But from talking to her, it seems like she developed an attachment to Antonio that was almost like they were the same age. You see Pocket, you see me. What about him stood out to you? Like how he was arrived or die. He didn't play about who he called family. What does that mean?

Like, I got into it with some females and he deaded it. He's like, look, you guys are not going to jail my sister, and he deadened the argument. This is someone who stuck up for her in fights. He didn't want me get into it with nobody. And not only that, she said that he could pick fights too. My brother was doing dumb shit, trying to fight with everybody, trying to, he It was kind of a bully. I'm not going to lie.

It was kind of weird to hear that from someone who really seems to care about Antonio. It did remind me, though, of the story we heard of Antonio getting into a fight on the night he was killed. I asked Sierra about that night. What do you think of the story that it was just like chop security at the barriers who got scared and shot up the car trying to, like, defend the tents around the precinct? They don't sit right with me. Like you don't believe it? Nope. So you think it was targeted?

Yeah. Why would someone want to get Antonio? Because the type of person he was starting fights, trying to be a gang member, and he wasn't. What gang was he trying to join? Blood. How did he? did you find out about that? Because the people that he was kicking it with was bloods.

Like, he put in work for the streets, I guess. That's what they were saying. That's why he got killed. What is Sierra implying here? Is she saying Antonio was trying to be in a gang or that he was trying to front, like he was trying to act like he was in a gang? You know, I still really don't know, and I'm not sure Sierra knows either. When she talks about people saying he put in work for the streets, it seems like she's just repeating a rumor she's heard.

So what do you make of Sierra? Well, she said something that is definitely not true. She said she knew Antonio for months when in reality she could have only known him for a matter of days because that's how long he was in Seattle. But we have talked to other people who seem to be confused. about how long chop lasted. Yeah, we got to say Antonio's dad has told us he's really mad that someone who knew Antonio for just a brief period of time is claiming to be his family and talking like some kind of authority on his son.

The lies that those people left there told about my son, you know, angered me so much. People get hungry for fame and they want to. some spotlight. They want to try to get whatever kind of shine they can. So they'll make up lies. I'm so proud of my son. And he's none of what any of those people say. That just really makes me boil over the top because to say that you're my family, come on, man. But I don't want to dismiss everything Sierra is saying out of hand. Police believed that gangs were a big problem at Chop, and they talked about this in internal emails at the time. On the same day that Antonio was killed, a police intelligence report said Chop, quote,

has become a center of lawlessness, unquote, for gang members. This report mentions a couple of local Seattle gangs, but not the bloods. And there's one more thing Sierra told me, and it's about the Jeep that Antonio and Robert were later shot in. The streets are saying that he beat somebody up and robbed up and that's how he got the Jeep. She heard the boys ended up inside the white Jeep because they stole it. From the very beginning, we've known that the white Jeep Antonio and his friend were riding in when they were shot had been stolen. The question that's been unresolved for years is were Antonio and Robert the ones who stole it? And if so, how did that play into the shooting?

We tried to talk to the guy whose car was stolen. He declined to speak with us, but through court records, we were able to get our hands on a video of an interview he did with an investigator. So why don't we just start what happened tonight with regards to stolen car? Sure, I'll just give you the ceremony. In the video, the victim tells police he was walking home to his apartment around 2.30 in the morning, not long before the shooting happened. As I was walking along, two guys just ran across the street and started accosting me.

He says that two teenagers emerge from the park with two weapons, a knife and a pickax. And all I hear is like, where the fuck is the money? And they start, like, shoving me around. And so I hand them my wallet, and they grab my phone, and they smash it with what looks to be a pickax. I managed to run away, but they managed to get me in the leg with the pickax. And as they start roughing him up, he says, My Jeep is right there, just take my fucking Jeep. It's parked just like a block away from the park.

You know, they'd wrap my keys in my bag and ran off with it. I felt with the ground. At that point, it's a little bit of a blur. Once his attackers run off, the victim yells for help. And chop medics start treating him for his wounds. And so if they put a tourniquet on my leg, and while they were doing that, I heard Jeep roll off. In this interview with police, he says one of his attackers was wearing a mask.

They appear to be not white, they were but not quite black. And he says one of them had an accent. Accents like southern accent or something like that. Antonio has dark skin and Robert is lighter skinned, but they're both black. And also neither of them had Ethiopian accents or anything like an Ethiopian accent. So did he mishear them? Were the boys using fake accents during the robbery, or was it not them at all? The most obvious person to ask about all this is Robert West, who was 14 years old when he survived

the shooting later that night. But Robert suffered a brain injury in that shooting. And when we first reached out, his lawyer told us he wasn't in any shape to talk with us. But then we finally got our chance to hear from Robert. year after Antonio's dad filed his wrongful death lawsuit against the city of Seattle, an attorney for the city interviewed him. We are on the record. The time is approximately 10.13 a.m. This is the beginning of the deposition of Mr. Robert West.

And we got our hands on the video. Counsel, you please introduce yourself. Who are you representing today? My name is Alexander Nican. I'm representing the city of Seattle. Evan Ocean, I represent Robert West today. In the video, the cameras pointed squarely at Robert. He's about 20 years old now, and you can see the permanent damage left behind by the bullet that he took to the head. Do you have any hobbies? If I work on cars, I wanted to be a mechanic.

Are you working to be a mechanic? I mean, I can't anymore. My career is stuff for. I wanted to. It was my biggest dream. Robert struggles with seizures. I mean, if I get too nervous, it's possible to have a seizure. He says he has significant memory loss.

and still lives at home with his mother who helps him with his medical needs. The deposition drags on for almost three hours, and it takes a long time to get to the night of the shooting. Robert's lawyer keeps interrupting to object to the city attorney's questions. He objects almost 200 times. Objection badgering. Objection. Relevance. Objection.

Objection. Harassing. You're harassing my client. I'm harassing you at this point. because you constantly are making the same objections. Let the record reflect that counsel is attempting to harass me. Before the deposition turns to the shooting, the city attorney asks Robert about his actions in the year before CHOP,

whether he had stolen two different cars, whether he was involved in a gas station robbery. I'm instruct him not to answer criminal questions of when he was 13 years old. You have no basis for doing that. He was a minor when he was 13 years old. And are you his guard? already insert. We couldn't find any records to confirm these allegations, but in any case, Robert says he doesn't recall what the city attorney is talking about.

I do not remember. Then the questions turned to chop. When did you meet Antonio Mace? I couldn't tell you, maize. Okay. And how often did you hang out with Antonio Mace? Objection, vague. From what I remember, I was what that dude that would be there. Robert says he doesn't remember much from the night of the shooting because of that brain injury.

To the bullet holes, I got shot. Went straight to my face. This is the front of lobe. It's the most important part of your brain. How would you like me to remember anything? But earlier in his recovery, Robert did seem to remember something. The city attorney refers to a piece of paperwork from a brain rehab facility Robert was out a few years ago. It says Robert told him.

told rehab staff, he stole a vehicle with a friend who died. Do you recall telling your doctors that you got shot at after stealing a car with friends? Objection. I don't know. I remember you the evidence. Hmm? You want me to tell you? Is that what you're looking for?

Do you recall telling that to your doctors? No, ma'am. I don't recall. Robert says someone else handed him the keys to the white sheep. And he says the man who gave him those keys was Ethiopian. An Ethiopian? Yes, ma'am. What was the Ethiopian's name?

I could not tell you that. How do you know he was Ethiopian? I mean, his appearance, his accent. But who knows? He could be something else. The city attorney then asks Robert if he looked at what the car theft victim told the police, that one of his muggers had an Ethiopian accent. She seems to be implying that Robert. Robert is making his story match the victims.

Did you review the police statement in preparation for your deposition today? No, no. Then just as this interview gets deeper into the night of the shooting. Do you have an answer, Mr. West? I need some water for that procedure. You got it. You got it. You got it. You got it.

You got me. You need this. Do you. No, Mr. Roberts. Do you need you. the record. Yep. You okay, Robert?

You need to. Off the record. And that ends the deposition. So did Antonio and Robert steal the Jeep? Well, when Antonio Sr.'s wrongful death lawsuit went to trial, we learned a little more.

Police presented evidence they found in and around the Jeep the morning after the shooting. This evidence suggested Antonio and Robert may have stolen. it. Police found a knife like the one the car theft victim described and some items that were stolen from him. But the judge noted this evidence was inconclusive and he dismissed it because he didn't see how the car theft was connected to Antonio's death. In the end, the trial never resolved the

question of who stole the Jeep. We weren't able to either. This question of who Antonio was and what he was doing the night he was killed has been used to justify or excuse his death. People have said he was trying to join a gang, that he stole a car, that he was trying to attack people with that car. We wanted to know, was Antonio the type of person who could be a threat to chop, or did protesters have it all wrong? So we went looking for people who knew Antonio before chop. He didn't want to be no gangster.

He just wanted to be ours. That's after a break. On the latest from Pocket Science, a Seattle team is creating a diagram of the brain's wiring. They took 100 million pictures, mapped half a billion connections, all from a speck of mouse brain

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When we first started investigating Antonio's death, we discovered a whole other part of his life that changed our understanding of who he was. We went looking for his digital footprint, and that led us to a profile on this website where people post their original songs. It's called BandLab. Yeah.

BandLab hose. Yeah, BandLive Hose. BandLive Hose, Band Lave Poh. If Pocket was one of Antonio's identities, this website introduced us to another one, RICO, which was the name he went by in Banlap. And he was a prolific poster. Lots of songs he sang and wrote himself. Finding this profile was a revelation.

It was a repository of things that he created and put into the world to represent himself and how he was feeling. And it's also like a diary. In some ways, it felt like maybe the closest we could get to where Antonio's mind was in the weeks and months before he was killed. About a week before Antonio left for Seattle, he posted a song on his band web page. Clear visions. Pliny days. Sun missing. It was called Clear Visions, and this is the last song that Antonio would post.

Sitting here like, what's the point of it all? As a kid, I just really wanted to go stand tall, have a ball with all my people, with all my peers. Now I understand they want me to disappear because the color of my skin. They're saying it's a sin, so now I'm sitting here fearing for the safety of my can. I cannot allow that. I gotta go step back for all my people. I'm going to have to go give that. I'm delivering a message straight to your dome.

I hope that you receive it all the way home because the color of my skin, that's a blessing. God told me to use it like another weapon, not to give hate, but to just give love. Because all lives really matter. I'm never giving up to the day that we're equal. I will speak with my people that's believe that there will be a sequel. Look, as a kid. It's about moving forward. It's about understanding these limits placed on you by society and overcoming them and fighting

against them. Ultimately, it's a song about resistance. Invisible wings open wide till it's touch in the sky. I'm the truth I ain't living a lie. One thing we've heard about Antonio is that at home in Southern California, his social circle was really small. He was homeschooled during the last year of his life. And a family member said he was almost always with his dad or his little sister, that he didn't really have a lot of friends outside of his family. But it turns out that was wrong.

Antonio did have friends. And we find posts from them on BandLab long after Antonio has died, grieving him saying RIP RICO and posting songs in his remembrance. I called a few of them up and learned they were spread out across the United States. I'm in Portland, Alabama. I live in the Chicago area. I'm living in Oklahoma. And they were teenagers when they knew him. Well, I grew up with Rico as a childhood friend.

They tell me that Antonio was a goofy guy who was kind of like an older brother figure. He didn't take anything serious. He was always laughing. No matter if he was going through something or he had a bad day, he was always there to hear what you had to say. He would encourage people about their music. He was just trying to be nice because I was like 13. There's no way it was that good. He wanted to make me.

To make a change in the world, let his voice be heard. Who are some of his favorite artists? YG and Nisbee Hustle. Tupac was one of his greatest inspirations. Because Tupac wasn't just a rapper. He was an activist. He ended up forging these really meaningful connections with people. He told me he liked helping his dad cook.

And he made promises to see them. I actually was going to have my kinsenna. and you're like, you're coming to my kids and yeah, no matter what. It was like, I'll buy you a teddy bear, and he wasn't there for it. He didn't come to your kinsay. Yeah, because he passed away. The month before Antonio leaves for Seattle, he also posts another song called Whoopin. It sounds like gangster rap.

At the end of the end of the kids, we ain't making their wishes. song, there's a Sueu. It's a blood's call-out. And also the name of a song by one of his favorite rappers, YG. It's language that suggests there's some kind of blood's gang affiliation or aspiration. I ask Antonio's friends about the rumors about gang involvement and also about the fact that in a lot of pictures we see of Antonio, he's wearing red, which is the blood's color. Did he ever talk about that? And what did that mean to him? With the red, I knew for a fact that was just his favorite color. Universally, they tell me that Antonio was not a gang member. He was never the type of person who wanted to be a gang member. No, absolutely not. That's not what he

stood for. He was a sweetheart. It doesn't seem like him. Talking about being in a gang or using gang symbols was something that kids just did online, trying to become rappers or get big in the music industry. He didn't want to be no gangster or nothing like that. He just wanted to be artists. Songs are songs. People lie to get famous all the time. And everybody claims to be in gang sex. But really nobody was in them unless you were in them. You know, he was just one of those kids that was, you know, trying to get famous. people with everybody else.

Talking to these kids from BandLab gives us a way to see multiple versions of Antonio existing at the same time, both Pocket and Rico. Right, you've got to wonder if these rumors about gang affiliation,

these rumors that for some people have justified Antonio's death were all just a result of a kid who was trying on different identities like so many other people at Chop. And did a dangerous place change how a sensitive, idealistic 16-year-old showed up there? Me and Antonio, we kind of met through the whole music thing. Andre Colbert would describe himself as Antonio's best friend.

He lived in Maryland, and he was 14 when he met Antonio on BandLab. It really just started off as like, you know, a whole online friendship. music type of friendship. And throughout the entire quarantine, we just started getting closer. We laughed and cried together. One thing that a lot of these bandlab kids had in common is that their schools were shut down because of the pandemic. So their social lives were in some ways limited to the internet. And they were struggling with that.

It was just a repeated cycle, just doing the same thing every day, waking up, eating, taking a shower, recording a song, and then right back to it the next day. André, who also goes by Dre, was able to reveal a part of Antonio that we hadn't known about. He was going through a lot mentally. We both were. What kind of stuff was he going through? Depression and anxiety. Even though we hear from some of Antonio's friends that he was really close with his dad, Dre tells us that he also got into big fights with him.

Like what kind of conflicts would they have? they would get into like big arguments like really bad ones they would like bother him really bad like they would bother his mental state Antonio's dad was really protective of him he tried to shelter Antonio from bad influences he didn't allow him to have a phone and we know he didn't want Antonio to join the protests you know some dads want the best for their sons my dad was hard on me to around that time and you know I didn't see that him being hard on me was him just showing how much he loved me until after I graduated. Dre said one of the reasons that Antonio was planning to go to Seattle was to meet up with another band lab friend who lived in the area. And Dre had planned on joining him. I was thinking of doing the same. I was happy to finally go and try to meet my best friend

that I've been talking to for the past couple months. Dre didn't end up going, so Antonio went alone. And he said, you know, Antonio's reason for going to Seattle was to protest. Because he really was big on that. Like, he was big on ending racism and stuff. When Antonio gets to Seattle, he doesn't end up meeting any bandlab friends. He stays at Chop. I had like a bad feeling.

I was like, yo, I think you should go home, bro. I tried to get him to go back. And, you know, he just felt like it was already too late. And he said he would call me back once his phone was. was charged, and I was like, all right, bro, be safe. So Antonio did have a phone. Apparently he did, but his dad didn't know about it. I think that was the last time we spoke on the phone, and I think, like, the morning or night

right before he died, he called me, and I woke up, and that was the last call I got. And to this day, I still wish I picked the phone up. You couldn't have known. Yeah, I'm still sick to my stomach about it. Dre remembers this thing Antonio would talk about a lot. His fear of racism and how it would probably catch up to him one day. Like he didn't want his life to be taken because of racism. Like he was real, he was scared.

I feel like he knew his time was coming, though, because he said in multiple songs that he wouldn't make it past 18. And, you know, I tried to tell him multiple times, like, you know, get that thought out of your head. And then, you know, what happened happened if he actually didn't get to C-18. What questions do you still have about what happened to Rico?

I just want to know who did it. I just want justice for him. Because it's been five years, there's no way they haven't already identified who did it. It shouldn't take this long. It's been five years. This is a tough question, but how did his death affect?

you? Terribly. Dre says that Antonio was the first person he was really close to who had died. And he returned to school in person and was failing all of his classes. And it was just strictly off of that. And my parents couldn't figure it and figure it out. Like, I didn't go to class. I didn't just want to do anything.

He ended up graduating late because of his grief and his inability to perform academically at school while dealing with it. As years went on, like that's all I could think about because if I would have never agreed to, yeah, you go down there and I'll meet you.

And if I would never say that, then you'd probably still be here. I just hope he's proud of the person I've become. That's really it. You know, everything I've done in past five years, I've done it for him. I graduated high school for him because he never got to.

So I'm just hoping he's proud of him. After talking to people who knew Antonio for days and people who knew Antonio for years, we start to see all these different futures he might have had. He might have been a rapper. He might have inherited his dad's barbecue business. He might have written his own fantasy novels. Sure, there's a future.

where he might have gotten in trouble, or became a famous activist. But what we're left with is that Antonio will never get to have any of those futures. He was still trying on different identities, and he was killed before he settled on one, before he got to define himself. Discovering Antonio's secret band lab meant finding a whole new world of people whose lives were changed by his death, a world. world of people who, alongside his dad, were still waiting for answers about the night he died. We already knew a few things from live streams of that night. Like, the chain of events

seem to start with the Jeep driving around erratically. Then gunshots start going off. And the white Jeep crashes into a chopped barricade with Antonio and Robert inside. Protesters say security members fired in self-defense. When you come in shooting, I don't think it's that much of a surprise when you get shot back. And once the car's crashed, we hear a voice say, oh, you're not dead, huh? But we were about to find out there were more videos of that night that weren't online. There is a handgun in that white sleeve, and I think he's now firing at the white jeep that's right here.

Oh, shit. And this makes us realize we've got to turn back to people we've already interviewed. Hey, Rashayla, this is Will James from KOW. How are you at? To get to the truth of how Antonio died. So our security team was not aiming to kill. That was not the goal. That was not the purpose. They were really trying to just stop that vehicle from hurting anybody. That's on the next episode of We Keep Us Safe.

We've added a sample of Antonio's original music to our digital evidence locker online. You can check that out and also see the video of Antonio speaking at CHOP on our website. That's NPR.org slash CHOP. We Keep Us Safe from NPR's Embedded is a collaboration with the Seattle Times and KUOWW. The series is reported and written by me, Sydney Brownstone, David Gutman, and Will James. This episode was edited by Luis Traeus and Laura Grenius, with support from Katie Simon. It was produced by our senior producer, Adelina Lansianese. Additional reporting by David Goodhirts, Omari Salisbury, and Adelina Lansionese.

Research and fact-checking by Danya Solomon and Miyoko Wolf. Robert Rodriguez mastered the episode. Music by Audio Socket, Blue Dot Sessions, Connor Moore from Seymour Sound, Jonathan David Barlow, Ramtin Arablui, Tom Pyle and Running Dog Music, Tribe of Noise,

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