Football Daily - 72+ EFL Pod: Edwards to Wolves & O’Neil to Boro?

Episode Date: November 12, 2025

Jobi McAnuff, Lyle Taylor & Phil Brown debate Rob Edwards’ move to Wolves. Was he right to leave Middlesbrough? Managerial vacancies up for grabs at Boro, Southampton, Swansea and Norwich. And will Jamie Cureton make our 72+ Ultimate All-Time EFL XI? Send your suggestions to us on WhatsApp to 08000 289 369.00:45 Lyle scores a worldie in the National League 04:20 Phil Brown rings up the referee! 06:30 Rob Edwards leaves Middlesbrough 15:25 Gary O’Neil among the favourites to replace him 17:45 Should Saints replace Still from within? 22:20 Swansea say bye to Sheehan 24:20 Jamie Cureton for our Ultimate All-Time EFL XI? 28:30 Norwich sack Liam Manning 33:45 Derek Adams to help Cleverley at Plymouth 36:50 72PLUS 72MINUS5 Live / BBC Sounds commentaries: Wed 2000 Man Utd v PSG in UEFA Women’s Champions League, Thu 1945 England v Serbia in World Cup Qualifying, Sun 1430 Tottenham v Arsenal in Women’s Super League, Sun 1700 Albania v England in World Cup Qualifying, Tue 1945 Scotland v Denmark in World Cup Qualifying.

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So you've got me, Joby McEnough, and to assist me through my stint in interim charge, we've called up two of our regulars who know the game inside out. Joint top scorer in this season's FA Cup, Lau Taylor, her former Premier League, now Peterborough Sports Boss, the wise old fox Mr Phil Brown Lyle I'm going to start with you mate because I know you're not a massive fan of the ticky-tacker tippy-tappy type football

and you seem to be on a one-man crusade to make long ball sexy I mean what a goal you scored on Monday night was it Monday night yeah For those who haven't seen it I've got to give it a little explanation I mean it's a long punt from the goalkeeper who's on the edge of his 18-yard box

and he literally smashes it up the other end of the pitch the ball is up in the sky it's come down with snow on it somehow I mean you've watched it over your shoulder and it is just a touch of dreams

you're now in the 18 yard box kill it dead and a lovely slot finish I mean talk us through that you're what 35 now yes 35 years young 35 years young love that it's got to be one of the best goals

you've ever scored I think I think it might be the best I've ever scored. From a technical point of view, it's hard enough controlling the ball from 70, 80 yards away anyway, over your shoulder and into your path. It's one of those where

it's just, it was perfect. It was perfect. And if I'd have missed, I don't think I'd ever have forgiven myself to be completely honest. From a technical point of view, he said, what about from a statement point of view, you know, because I'm in the same camp as you guys, you know, okay,

tick-y-tacca, we've gone through that phase and everybody seems to be coming out of it. But it doesn't alter the fact that the goalkeeper can hit the striker. And when the goalkeeper hits the straker invariably now, it's a 1v1 with the centre half. Back in a day, it used to be three cent a halfs up against you. This is the thing with football. There are a million and one ways to skin the cap.

I believe the direct, maybe not so much launch it long, but the more direct approach is better. Because normally, and you know this as a manager, you have your better players are at the top end of a pitch and we're in a game now where the centre halves have more touches than anybody else and I just think well why get your most dangerous players on the ball

and your most dangerous players are the ones closest to your opposition goal and I mean Hagey the goalkeeper he can absolutely shell it I've got to say I mean listen it was not just a smash I mean this is a proper you know oh no it was yeah 100% and to hit a ball that fight under that much control was a brilliant, brilliant pass, wasn't it?

I mean, we might say it's just a smash. It wasn't. It was a long pass. But granted, I don't think there's too many players playing at the level you are now that would have had that ability to pluck it down and stick it in the back of the net. Absolutely brilliant. We've had a few comments. Caroline Barker, one of our favourites here on the show.

The best goal I have ever seen live in my life. Kieran Stock on X, was that Lowell Taylor or Dennis Burr Camp? that was an unbelievable that would grace any level of football let alone you gotta be happy with that Lail the great Dennis Burkamp

the great Dennis Burkamp he would have been proud of that seriously it was unbelievable maybe a little secret to its success was it the homemade pasta sauce has that been on the go do you know what I didn't have it Sunday night I had the whole family round

so we had there's a Turkish a Turkish place in in Braintrick and we got some food from there five large platters which obviously didn't get eaten by the six months. Right, that's enough on Lyle's incredible exploits. Phil, how have you been, mate, another real narrow loss? I know you haven't been too happy with somebody officiating

in your last couple of games. Care to expand? You've been watching, you've been listening. It happens, as you well know, the lower down you go, the lower, to a certain extent, I'm being cruel here, but the lower the standard of the referee, because they're working their way up and we had a penalty against us at Spennymo

and I've had a look at it quite a number of times and I still can't see what the referees is. Having said that, Jobes, I think it's something that we need to open up, you know, dialogue with referees so they're not frightened of the manager that they're talking to, you know? So I said to the lad after the game, can I have your number? I'll talk to you tomorrow and I spoke to him on his day off, everybody's day off for Sunday, he's out with his family.

I had a bit of banter with him and I just said to him go on then what do you think he said I've watched it 20 times and I still wouldn't change my decision I'm backing off then I'm backing off because at the end of the day you're never going to win that one

if he's watched it 20 times in hindsight and he's still seeing it's a penalty so I think we'll turn the corner I think we've got some good players at the football club but confidence is is everything at this level and it's everything in football if truth be known so is this your way of dealing with some of these decisions

now is this a bit more of a mellowed out Phil Brown because I know again in the previous game couple of players sent off will we have seen you maybe in the past within the referee air a bit more of a blast there and then is this the now the way to handle it

wait give it a 24 hours and then see where you go with it Jobs I think we've you know when I go back to me days as assistant manager with Sam at Bolton Wonders we we spent a lot of time and a lot of effort

trying to improve refereeing at the highest level and you know we had referees train with us on a daily basis we had referees come in and join in the game and give us the whistle you know So we roll reversed. We did everything.

You know, we did press conferences so we understood the press a little bit more. We actually left no stone and turning bulletin on us. And I've carried that through. I think dialogue with referees is important. So it's not just, you know, you're just bawling people out on the touch lane

and looking like a madman. Because at this level, everybody hears exactly what you're saying, you know, and you can appear to be that crazy madman on the touch lane. But you're trying to get a decision. There's ways and means of doing it, you know, and bowling them out is not the way. Right.

on to some of the big stories in the EFL this week and we have to start with the hot debate that has been Middlesbrough Bross, Rob Edwards, holding talks with wolves over a move to manage the team that are currently bottom of the Premier League. I cannot wait to get your thoughts on this in a moment, but first

here's the telegraph, Luke Edwards from the Premier League review pod with Rick Edwards. To be honest, Rick, I think he brings shame on the Edwards name. He made a big thing when he went into Middlesbrough we're a family, we only want people who really want to be here. You can only assume

that that is the sort of language he uses behind the scenes as a manager in his team talks when he's trying to persuade players to come to the club. Then we're all in it together. We've got a family feel. It's all about togetherness

and honesty and unity. And quite frankly, after three months, I've done a very good job in a short period of time at Middlesbrough. They're unexpectedly challenging for promotion.

He's then, at the first opportunity, abandoned them. He's basically left his kids. and his wife to start a new family again with walls. So boys, really looking forward to getting your take on this from a player and manager perspective. Where do we sit on this? I'll come to you first from the players.

Must have been difficult for them hearing maybe the rumblings behind the scene. And then obviously, from what we gather, Rob not taking training on Friday, seems to be a bit of a messy situation. I think it's unsettling, is probably the best word. The managerial game is obviously very different. to the playing side of things we can only move in

certain windows so you're kind of, when you are somewhere you are somewhere for a period of whatever it around four or five months or whatever at least so it's very cut and dry but with the managerial side of things it can get a little bit messy

and I remember being at AFC Bournemouth all those years ago when Eddie Howe left and went to Burnley and it was really unsettling for the players I remember we went into the stadium and we were all sat around waiting for the manager to have a conversation as to what was going on and those things and I remember he came down

and he said, I'm not going. And it was like, oh, the relief because you go to war together. Your manager is the captain of the ship and you kind of look up to that person and go, okay, so what is it that we're doing? I can only imagine what's going through those players' heads right now And they are absolutely flying, by the way.

So it's almost incomprehensible that you can be doing really well and the manager still goes. Well, I think that's a really important part because, you know, I think that's where there's been a lot of anger because I think Rob was so big on, you know, creating a family unit, the togetherness. You know, he came out with the Morgan Whittaker bit, which seemed to be really effective in terms of asking the fans to stay together,

stay connected. And I think they see it as he's just jumped at the first opportunity. that's come. They've given him an opportunity after him really having a real tough time at Luton and only, you know, a few months into a three-year contract, you can absolutely get their anger at this decision. Phil, what do you think, what do you make of it, you know, in terms of the way it was handled and ultimately him deciding to leave a team that potentially could get promoted for one that looks bang on for relegation? I can't, I really can't understand it, Joby. It looks, you know, when you want to leave a football club, it's because it's not going well.

it's because your relationship's broken down, you're not, you know, what you expected or the players are not what you expected. He's actually also working for one of the best owners that I know around, you know, Steve Gibson, very, very supportive of his managers over the years and very loyal. And all of these words that we're saying

are being broken by a decision to go to, you know, he wants to go to war with Middlesbrough. He's actually turning his back on that and trying to engage with another football. I just don't quite get it. He's made his position at Middlesbrough untenable. It's one of them situations where you think, how can you face the players ever again?

So, you know, I find it really, really difficult. Have you ever been in a situation, Phil, where you have been obviously in a job. Clearly, there's going to be clubs that are interested. Now, again, I think there's been a lot of debate over maybe how that communication was able to happen with a manager who was under contract. How do you deal with that, I suppose, if you have an approach from somebody while you are still in a job?

I have, where I was at whole city, I've been approached by two or three. At the time, we were doing well, and that's the reason, of course it is. But you've got to wonder to yourself, okay, there's ambition to taking the consideration, always ambition, the personal ambition of the manager. But will you ever get, people always think, you know, a whole city or Liverpool, obviously it's a no-brainer with regards to, with all due respect to whole city. Liverpool, you know, you're in Europe, et cetera, et cetera. But you go whole city and maybe Sunland or whole city and maybe Bristol City and teams in and around what whole city's ambition probably like.

But then you've got to think about what do you want from management? You want support. You want an owner who believes in you. You want an owner who's going to back you with regards to finances. You want a team that you can build. You want a training ground. You want an environment that you can create. And one of the things Rob talks about

is that togetherness, that fight, and it's all part and part of the management. I'm 100% in what he's saying that you want your team to actually go into battle for you, with you, against any opposition. He smashed all that. I just, I don't quite understand it. Well, that brings me on to my next point really. I want to pick up with you about the term loyalty in football. Does it still exist? And again, I think that's where fans will have a slightly different perspective to a player or maybe a manager of a football club. Do you think he's in danger maybe of doing himself some reputational damage because he did, let's say, jump ship at Forest Green to leave there to go to Watford. Do you think that's something that

maybe could come back to bite him in the years going forward and is there loyalty in football anymore? Well, firstly, no, there is no loyalty in football. And it's evidenced by the fact that fans will live in this football utopia whereby loyalty exists. But when a fan doesn't think a player's good enough, what do they do? They want them out. They tell them you're stealing and living. When a player wants to leave to go and better themselves, well, you're a turncoat, you're a Judas. When a manager wants to do the same, it's the same thing. There is no loyalty in football because football is business and ultimately money rules

business. With regards to whether the manager has done himself any favours or done himself a disservice by jumping ship, let's be honest, if he goes to wolves and wolves go and win, say five, six of their next ten games, the Wolves fans won't care. And ultimately, he'll be looking at the Middlesbrough fans. And if there's any ever a time where he goes back to Middlesbrough to play against or to manage against Middlesbrough, yeah, it'll get dogs abuse. But you get dogs abuse anyway.

So, in all seriousness, we're talking about a word that has no real weight in football anymore. You don't see players playing for a club for the entirety of their career anymore because the football clubs want to refresh and get players in and get players out. You look at players now who are over 30. You struggle finding jobs because they go, oh, your legs must be gone. 30 isn't 70.

We're not talking about you walking around with a walking stick anymore. So the presumption that there is loyalty in football is for me it's wider the mark and I don't think it exists anymore from both sides. Fans want the best players at their club to be loyal and they also want the worst players at their club to get lost.

So you can't have it both ways. Agree. I think that's where we live in a, I think for those of us who has been involved in the game, certainly from a playing perspective. And you've been on a receiving end of that lack of loyalty from a club, for example, whether something was agreed and never gets done,

whether you get told you're not now in the manager's plans. You know, I had an incident at Leighton Orient. You know, after one year, I wasn't going to play again for the club. training with the youth team for three, four months through no fault of my own. It's just a decision that the manager wanted. And again, I think they're the difficult ones that I think those of us who've been through it, you do understand it a little bit more.

And I think it's important to, I suppose, just put his perspective across. You know, there's a family tie there, obviously a club that he knows incredibly well played there, coached at the football club. But whatever the case, I think a huge, huge decision. And obviously it leaves Middlesbrough now looking for a new boss. Gary O'Neill is among the. favourites for that probably hasn't helped himself

after admitting post career that while playing for Borough he got himself booked on purpose so he could get a suspension and stay at home and watch the golf over the weekend. So that hasn't gone down too well. Yeah, with Wintersborough fans.

They always remember as well. They always remember. They keep receipts. They keep receipts. So again I think if you look it on paper again a former player of the club had a really good couple of stints in charge you'd think from that perspective, a real good

potential option, Phil. Where do you stand on his chances have taken over? No, I've, you know, being a Kidman Saharis, under 21s at Wool's, Wales, Gary was in charge played at our stadium. Norm very well, from his golf days back in Portugal when we had

time shares, etc. He did take weekends off as well to play golf, did you tell? No, no, this was in the summer. By the way, he was a two-handicap. I was 12, so he spent more on the golf courts than what I did. But he's a good man. He's a good man.

I think he's a tactician. I think he wants to play in a certain way. You know, if you're a purist, he likes to play that way. And whilst he was at Wolves, I thought it was working until the moment when it snapped, you know, when it comes to all managers. Look, it's just a day of watching the golf. Let biogons be bygones. Ultimately, if the chips fall where they may, he becomes the manager and Middlesbrough get promoted to the Premier League with him at the helm, would the Middlesbrough fans forget

the day that he decided he wanted to watch golf rather than play football? With Rob going the other way and we'll slide in past them I think that's probably it's a really interesting point isn't it if you guaranteed middle of fans today Gary O'Neill's going to be your manager

you're going to get promoted Rob Edwards is going to get relegated I think there'd be a fair few that would actually happily take that deal now wouldn't they? Even if wolves didn't get relegated they'd get to abuse him at their stadium next time so brilliant Layla it's the first time I've been on the shore with you

You are so pragmatic. It's unbelievable. I just don't see that there's any emotion in it. But I've been involved in the game probably 46, 47 years now. And whilst managing or whilst playing for a football club, Loyal is being one of my biggest strengths and maybe one of the reasons why I'm still involved in the game. I don't know.

Another club currently without a manager and searching for a new boss is Southampton. Gary O'Neill is also second favourite for that job. again maybe a little bit of fan reaction against it given his career previously at Portsmouth under 21's boss

Tonda Eckhart is deemed most likely to take the job permanently after winning both games in interim charge so far versus QPR and Sheffer Wednesday and it's been quite a turnaround under Eckhart obviously had a really tough time

when Will Steele was managing there but they've won consecutive games now for the first time since April 2024. Phil he's given himself a real good opportunity he may be to be the one that Southampton turned to. I'm glad you were talking about this new manager bounce because, you know, obviously when I came in here two months ago,

we had a couple of wins and a couple of losers, a couple of wins, and it was one of them where the new manager bounce, you're wondering how long it lasts and is it such a phenomenon, you know? But everybody that's going in, the Peterbury United boss has gone in there, he's won three, won another one last night, he's won three on the bounce. They're playing unbelievable football. The fans are all positive about it. It happens and I really

You can explain it Of course you can You know you're going with fresh ideas You're going in with players That are eyes wide open instead of closed There's loads of reasons Why the new manager bounce works It's just how long you can keep it going

And two games does it make For to give him the job possibly Possibly depends on the CV of course And Lowe in terms of a couple of big decisions He's made really Jack Stevens who was out in the cold Club captain he's been back in the team and Gavin Bazzunu in goal in place of Alex McCarthy.

Is he done enough in your mind to maybe get the nod? Or do you think it's a little bit too early still and should Southampton bide their time before making that decision? The problem we have from looking from the outside in is that we don't know what goes on in terms of the coaching side of things inside the under 21s. If his views align with the board and what the board wants to see from the first team,

It's a, I suppose, a cheap way of bringing somebody through who wants a future in management. Is it enough? I don't know, but then we're talking about a football club who play in one of the hardest, if not the hardest league, certainly in our country, in my opinion. So would it be better to bring somebody in from abroad, somebody from the continent?

Well, why? If you've got somebody there who knows how to coach, knows how the club needs to work, wants to help bring players through as well as winning games of football. If he has the ear of the squad, I mean, bringing in your club captain and having your club captain on the side is a surefire way to earn the dressing room's respect instantly.

And we're not talking about a club captain who shouldn't be playing. We're talking about a very, very good defender here. So does it work? I think the only people that can answer that question are those who would make the decisions in the sporting director or the board or whoever it is that has the final say. but he's not doing himself any harm by taking interim charge, winning games

and then potentially not getting the job because it will come around again because it's Southampton like the Watford job that job just keeps coming up. So the young manager or young coach comes out at the under 21s and now you're talking about alignment. Do you think that really matters

from a board to management to coach perspective? Do you think that really matters? I think it has to matter because I think if somebody is already in the position of developing young players at the football club, their philosophy obviously identifies and is in synchronicity with the board. So it's then a case of,

has this person got enough experience to lead the football club forward when the targets were already aligned between that under 21's coach and what the board wants to see in their first team? So, okay, if they don't give Eckhart the job, who do they go and get? Do they go and get somebody

who plays a certain style of football? the same way we were still. The same way Russell Martin did the job, it's a certain style of football. They're not going to go and get, with the utmost respect, a Steve Bruce or a Sam Adidas. They're not going to go and get that person

and put that person in charge because that person will want control of management and player recruitment. They have a certain way of working. So it's on whether these things align. And I presume if somebody's already in their system, the way they work would align with the board. And as we are very much in sacking season, have to mention Alan Sheehan, who has been let go at Swansea after just over six months as permanent manager.

I did do a brilliant job there previously as interim. And then obviously now has taken up the permanent manager after Luke Williams. Currently in 18th position, seven points above the drop zone and eight points off the playoff. Was this one a bit of a surprise for you, Phil? Maybe the investment that they've had over the summer, which has been a change from the, hierarchy at Swansea they feel that clearly their position isn't where they want to be and despite having a pretty

promising start to the season results haven't quite been where they want lately I watched them recently against Man City I went to do a bit of work for the BBC and you know bottom line it looked to me as if the club was bouncing you know I know Man City's in town and it's a full house

and it's in a cup competition where it's a one-off but league position would suggest that something wasn't going right in the background and sometimes it's communication sometimes it's you know do the players understand what the manager's all about

do the players understand the philosophy what Lyle's talking about does you understand how the manager wants to play and when that falls down you've always got somebody reporting back to a board like a director of football and if it's not working on the training ground

it's an easy hit for the manager and I think that's what it looks like to me I thought he might have had more time of trip you know Five Live Sports The Rugby Union Autumn Internationals

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The EFL podcast. Listen on BBC Sounds. Right, we're going to have a little bit of a break from the managerial sackings, but we will come back to Norwich shortly. So in the meantime, let's get another EFL, ultimate all-time 11 suggestions. It actually comes from a Norwich fan, Luke, who has nominated Jamie Curerton, who remarkably is still playing at 50 years of age. He's recently scored for his new club, Kings Park Rangers, meaning is now scored

in all of the top 10 tiers of England. football scoring close to 400 goals in total and as if he wasn't already enough of a legend he once famously dyed his hair green in the East Anglian Derby when he was playing for Norwich so you know exactly where I'm coming Lyle and it isn't for goal scoring ability it's going to be because of your insistence on dying your own hair at times of your career go on what do you think of Jamie Curate and 50 years old still bang in it ever been green though has it never been green it's never been green it's only it's it's been an odd bronzy red

which was just because of some dye washing out it's been blonde it's been pink you don't even for a very very good cause yes so what he's done is incredible

and let's be honest the goal to finish at 50 he still can run he still can get in behind defenders and the finish is exquisite it's incredible I mean me after a run

doing a 5K trying to do anything the next day I mean so going around a football pitch at that age is absolutely incredible Phil we've spoke to Lila about maybe die I can't see that happening for you but any naughty haircuts back in the day oh absolutely

I had length when I first started it was right down me back and at the time it was short at the side and along it oh dear mate it was like something from I'm just trying to think of the band that I was trying to copy it at the time it wasn't status core but it was something like that But I'll go back a long way as you well know

But no I've never died Never never tried And 50 Lau you're still banging a minute at 35 You've got another 15 years in the locker Absolutely not When you're going to retire Lail When you're going to retire? Bill's tapping you up here by the way

I don't know You were singing the preys of a 35 year old Getting around the party Five minutes ago Now it's like I don't know No I don't know I don't want to play until the wheels fall off

I don't want to be one of those you see it with so many players when they stop playing where they're less bodily able their knees give up their ankles their hips I don't want to be that way because there's a lot of life to live beyond football You want to play it until you see it's time to hang up instead of a manager

or a coach telling you that Yeah I think I've said for a little while now when I can see it but I can't do it It's definitely time to stop So it depends if I choose to to give up because the body isn't able to do what I want it to do or whether it's like, yeah, I'm not, I haven't got the heart for it anymore. Right, I think I know where this is going to go,

but I've got to ask you anyway, Phil, and seeing as I've somehow managed to get Ian Ashby out of our dream team, I will come to you on Jamie Curran, and listen, absolutely stacked in that part of the pitch, but does he get in front of Jamie Vardy, Billy Sharp and Ricky Lambe? No, no, no. Listen, you know when Jamie's on the field of play, he invariably ends up scoring a goal, but he sometimes was,

you didn't know he's there, you know, he was one of them that worked behind enemy lanes, he worked in little pockets of space, and then all of a sudden, bang, it's in the back of the net. But, in terms of the players that you've just mentioned there, no, he's not getting ahead of them. He would get ahead of them on longevity only. On longevity only.

Pass Billy Sharp, he still plays, nearly 50s, he's still in the NFL, mate. This is true, but don't say that because Bill will probably try and snap you enough. Oh, 100%. And again, another one, he's still very much doing it at his grand old age. As always, always open to your suggestions for our EFL Ultimate 11. Please message or voice note us on WhatsApp at 08,289-389-369. Now, moving on to Norwich City.

And despite a very long period of them holding out and seemingly backing Liam Mani results have meant that they had to make a decision to part company. Last week we spoke about Norwich City owner Mark Atanasio giving Liam Manning his full backing and how often do we see this? Not long after the manager has been given the sack. They couldn't last any longer really, could they? I know, but I don't know why they do it, do I don't know why they give it the full backing. It's like, where everybody knows it's a curse.

Forget about this vote of confidence. Just let me get on with my job. And if you want to sack me, sack me. but no, it was coming, it was coming, unfortunately. Do you think the result, Sheffield Wednesday, wasn't it? Do you think that result, as an individual game, has had any bearing on this? Because obviously the dreaded vote confidence comes out,

the, what was it, the Monday or the Tuesday beforehand. And then five days later, you don't manage to beat a football club that is in its own way in turmoil. I think you look at that result and also the way they lost against Leicester City, sort of last minute of the game and you know I'm sure there'll be periods of that and I think it's been a bit of a

groundhog day, played okay in patches you know and then eventually listen they've lost seven home lean games this season which is just unacceptable for a club like Norwich for any club really I mean and I think that Ben Napa has come out he's said results haven't been

good enough we accept the responsibility you know but now it's imperative that we start to repair the relationship with our supporters and do everything we can to give them something to to get behind. There's been huge pressure on him and the board as well as Liam Manning. Do you think this might be, of course, from his perspective, one that he absolutely has to get right next level? Well, if he doesn't get this one right, his head's going to be the next one that rolls because people don't forget selling players to rivals. People don't forget.

It can't just be the manager fails. The players will shoulder some responsibility, but also the person who employs the manager has to shoulder some of that responsibility as well, that's the model of football club that we are currently dealing with. So he will know full well that this one is the one. Otherwise, he can very well find himself out on his ear as well. And in terms of some of the early runners and riders, anyone who's listened to this pod so far will be not surprised to hear that Gary O'Neill is in the running.

Second or third. Won't mind being his agent at this moment in time. I've got to be honest. Will Still, again, who has recently left. Southampton so that would be an interesting one given maybe how much his reputation has been damaged by that last thing and the odds on

favourite is John Dow Thomason which I found an interesting one it's difficult isn't it I mean it's a big club they need a big name there's no doubt about it they need somebody that's got a track record they need somebody that can shoulder the responsibility seven home games I didn't quite know that statistic

seven home games in front of that big crowd it's a tough gig at the moment the players have got a lot of the responsibility of that it's one of them where whoever does come in they will have no doubt in my main they will have that new manager bounce they will have that effect

on a club that's down in the doldrums at the moment and to get them supporters turn round and get them behind the team it wouldn't surprise me whoever does come in would go on a good run but it's about long-term future of the club they want to be somewhere near the top if not in the Premier League and that's going to take two or three years so it's

It's going to have to be a long-term employment. It can't just be somebody quick-fix. I agree with you in terms that I think it's such a huge club. And for me, it needs to someone that can come in and have a real huge immediate impact. But Lowe is there maybe a chain of thought to go and maybe someone a bit more realistic. A Michael Scobala, Alex Ravel, doing well at a level below potentially coming in.

Or do you think this job in particular needs a bit of profile to it? I think for the man who is going to put the manager in place, I don't think you can take the risk and go with a young coach who is potentially untested at the level. John Dahl Thomason, when he went into Blackburn, did a hell of a job in his first season. And for me, the only word is alignment. There has to be alignment.

And what are Norwich looking for? what do they want because I remember playing against Norwich in the championship and I mean they played some great football and they're some great players so that club turned itself kind of into one of those yo-yo clubs like Fullum at the time where they would be in the Premier League and then they'd be relegated and then they'd absolutely trounce the championship again and they'd be back in the Premier League so what is it that Norwich want do they want to be that again before they start building towards sustainability

and trying to be in the Premier League long term what is it that they want and we can't answer those questions and I think the story of what it is that that football club wants from a board level will be told by who it is that they employ and the track record of that person. And another

manager is under a lot of pressure this time down in league one is Tom Cleverley at Plymouth bottom of the table in danger of a second successive relegation he says his role is not under threat despite former manager Derek Adams returning to the club as a

director of football. Is he nervously looking over his shoulder, not just because of results, but when one of those older heads comes in, Phil? He must be. He has to be looking over his shoulder. If he's not, he's being foolish because that's part of management. You've got to know what's going on around you. He's got to accept that the board have brought Derek Adams in as a director of football to help, first and foremost, but he won't be able to. He won't be able to think that way. He won't be thinking that who are holding a second of former manager is just in town again and he's coming in to to help me, how's that going to happen?

But he is obviously a young manager. He has to accept that. The help will come if he accepts it, but if he doesn't accept it, then there's only one road, and Derek will take over, because he'll not get the results. But he's got to listen to people.

He's got to trust people. He's got to understand that. He's in a bit of a sticky situation, and the only way to get out of there is by winning games of football, and there's one person at the football club who knows to do that, know how's to do that,

and that's Derek Adams. Phil, as a manager, if you take yourself and put yourself in Tom Cleverly's shoes right now, what is going on in your head? At times, it's pure confusion, you know, you think you know how to set a team out, you know how to play in a certain way to appease the fans, but again, appeasing the fans is not the answer. Winning games of football is the answer. So when you go for an interview for a job, Lail, and people talk about that philosophy and you talk about alignment, in a very articulate way. Alignment goes out the window. Style of football goes out the window.

It goes out the window for one reason and one reason only. You just want that gumption, that spirit in your team that will go and win a game of football against all odds. And then you try and build that alignment. Then you try and build a style of play. I think Tom went in there with this idea that I've just got to pop the ball around and we're going to pop people off the park and we're going to come away with wins.

Football's not like that. It doesn't work that way. got to find a way of organise their team with and without the ball. And I think there's a lot of coaches now are organising their team with the ball and forgetting about the other side of it and that's the most important part as far as I'm concerned

because when you're in a grind, you have to have people that are rolling their sleeves up and not bothered about all this beautiful passing game that are on about a 1-0 victory to build something. Yeah, I think going back to Lyle's point, I don't think he's probably got much of a say in this. I think just reading between the lines there's probably been some discussions

of we feel you need some help. you know we're going to bring a senior one in and like Phil said I think it's how you sort of accept that help is going to be the big key I mean he's come out got to accept it you've got to accept it he's come out and said Derek's coming in to be a soundboard for me losing really hurts my pride

but it's in my nature to fight and until I'm told otherwise I will grip my teeth I will work hard I will help the players whichever way I can and I'm up for the challenge so we certainly wish Tom Cleverley and Plymouth an upturn in results and let's finish with this 72 plus, 72 minus on the football daily. Yes, it's time for Joby's best and worst moments of the week from across the EFL.

Where are we starting this week, Jobes? Well, for my 72 minus, I've got to go with Swansea City defender, Cameron Burgess. And we all know when you're playing against your former team, you're desperate to do well, particularly when you've had such a good relationship with them. Couldn't have gone any worse for him. Not one, but two own goals. What an afternoon to face. forget in the 4-1 defeat against it, Switchtown.

Let's hear it. Now, Davis, in on goal, what a chance. He's inside the area. He scores. It took a big deflection of Cameron Burgess, which completely took it away from Vigaroo. But you stays on side, early ball, in from the Sweden, and it's another own goal from Cameron Burgess. Would you believe it against his former club?

You've got to feel sorry for the big Australian. And Joby, your 72 plus, please. Well, it's got to go to Coventry City's Ephron Mason Clark came in the top of the table clash Stoke versus Coventry. It was nil-nil going into the 86 minute of the game

and up steps. Ephron Mason Clark with some incredible acrobatics to win it late on. Let's have a listen. The clock ticks round to 86 minutes. Van Avax ball flicked on by Sims and oh yes! What a goal!

By Ephron Mason Clark. into the top corner he's hurt himself in the process but that was a hell of a finish yet an unbelievable way for Coventry City to win the game and Phil when you get moments like that late on in the game such a special strike it just feels like it's going to be your year doesn't it it absolutely feels that way where Coventry's concerned unbelievable and by the way I'm just looking at all three leagues you know in the 72 teams there's only two teams that are two points per game Coventry being one of them can you name the other one Jovie there's only two teams in all three divisions

that haven't been beaten yet no go on no they've got two points per game it's Stevenage they're fifth in the table but they've played 13 games so they've got two games in hand on everybody but Coventry and Stevenage only two teams that for me spells that is going to be it's just going to be tight between now

until the end of the season and Coventry look like they're on that road don't they with that finish that goal tight games winning at 1-0 looks like he's got them going Looks like they're going to run away with it, but it won't happen. Yeah, and unfortunately, no F from Mason Clark in our fantasy EFL teams this week. I had a bit of a nightmare, I've got to say, made the mistake of not changing my team,

went into Auto Select at the wrong Coventry players, Brandon Thomas Asante, who drew a blank as my captain, and then the app decided to select Fleetwood Town as one of my team picks who went on to lose their game. So lesson learned for me, I'm actually buzzing that Aaron is not here today because for a change he had a surprisingly good week he actually had Bolton's

Cozier Doobrie who had two goals and two assists versus Portvale and we have a new leader at the top of the 72 plus league curse these metal hands scored 100 points with that man Kosia Jubri as captain so congratulations to them

I mean have you seen much of him this year Cozier Juby for Bolton he's been absolutely outstanding can't be knocking around League 1 for much longer surely he's a Montserrashire really he is yes wow he is so I've known about him since he was at

Arsenal I believe he was so I've known about him for a long time and I have I have followed his career to date and I mean wow but let's be honest you don't come through the Academy at Arsenal without some sort of talent

so it's nice that he's found a football club where he's he's happy he's comfortable and he's showing everybody what he's capable of doing And you're right, he will not be at the level for very long. Well, it's really interesting. I actually saw him a few years ago while it was at Arsenal. It was an FA Youth Cup game against Manchester City at the Emirates.

And he was absolutely phenomenal. For anyone who hasn't seen him, just think Bukaiosaka. He plays on the right side, left foot in, very diminutive, low centre of gravity, and with an unbelievable left foot. So, yeah, certainly one with a huge future, currently on loan from Brighton. So, yeah, everyone please get involved in the Fantasy EFL League. To do that, our code is 72 EFL pod. Big thanks to Lyle and Phil for stepping in and looking after the interim gaffer today.

Hey, by the way, a nine out of ten. I'm giving them nine, Lail, sorry. How many are you giving them? I'm going to go just under that. I'm going to go with an 8.74. See, he's been privated to some of the edits that are going to go into the pod. And I hope our man, Aaron Paul, who I know will be listening to this, is enjoying himself on that sun lounger while driving his forward range.

you're around, Dubai. Remember to send us your all-time ultimate EFL 11 suggestions. WhatsApp us on 08,000 289-389-369. And that's it for this episode of the Football Daily. On the next one, we'll bring your reaction to England versus Serbia. And the 72 plus EFL pod will be back next week. We'll catch you then. Five live sports.

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