Football Daily - 72+ EFL Pod: Jack Wilshere interview & Tiptree trash talk

Episode Date: October 15, 2025

Aaron Paul, Jobi McAnuff & Tommy Smith talk to new Luton boss Jack Wilshere. They also discuss clubs returning to ‘old flame’ managers, what about Maldon & Tiptree’s war of words with Port Vale after the FA Cup draw, and will Chris Powell make our All-Time Ultimate EFL XI? All that and Pugwash rears his head in 72PLUS 72MINUS. Messages/voicenote us on WhatsApp - 08000 289 369.01:55 What would Jobi/Tommy change about their former clubs? 05:00 Jack Wilshere INTERVIEW 23:30 Clubs returning to ‘old flame’ managers 27:00 Maldon & Tiptree’s war of words with Port Vale 31:40 Soup-er Lyle Taylor 34:00 Chris Powell for the Ultimate EFL XI? 37:20 Goal music in 72PLUS 72MINUS 41:30 Aaron gives his team time off in Fantasy EFL5 Live / BBC Sounds commentaries: Wed 15 Oct 2000 Chelsea v Paris FC in UWCL, Sat 18 Oct 1500 Man City v Everton in Premier League, Sat 18 Oct 1500 Crystal Palace v Bournemouth on Sports Extra, Sat 18 Oct 1730 Fulham v Arsenal, Sun 19 Oct 1400 Tottenham v Aston Villa, Sun 19 Oct 1630 Liverpool v Man Utd.

72 Plus, the EFL podcast with Aaron Paul and Joby McEnough. Hello, welcome to 72 Plus, the EFL pod from Five Live Sport, as ever with me. My right arm, it is Joby McEnough. How are you, Joelle? Yeah, very well, thanks, mate. Just been trying to keep occupied. I've had my little boy's birthday over the international break, which has been nice because I've had a little bit more time than I probably would normally have.

So he's ended up having about three different birthdays. They're so lucky these lot. But we went to a laser quest, laser tag kind of place. And, you know, you sort of go in thinking, you know, we let the kids have all the fun. I was trying to hang back and not get too involved. But then obviously the competitiveness kicks in. And I just started running around smoking nine-year-olds, like, pooh.

Can you imagine Jobby? Did you have like a winner at the end of it? Oh, did they? Like a podium. Can imagine Jobby still on the top of the podium? Just going up, mate. Oh, there's no mercy. If you're not shooting him, you're two-foot in them.

Yeah, 100%. It was me. There's like a few of the other dads obviously wanted to get involved and literally the first one one of the other dads won it. I came third and the second game

we did teams and I'm like right getting my team in formation like right protect the base and then yeah we smoked them We were just shouting in shape

I was like get in line get in line D shape right we're covering all the borders like yeah mate it's actually pretty funny it was good day former championship defender

Tommy Smith used to smoke wingers on a regular basis Smudge, are you going to be at the Laser Quest at some point? I'll just want to put it on record now. I've never smoked anyone in my life. Never, ever, ever.

But I mean, the thought of Jobby McEnough, two-footing nine-year-olds to get on that winning podium. Whatever it takes to win. I love it. Jobby, I'm here for it, mate. I'm here for it. But when it's your young boys' party, I'm not sure about it. But yeah, I love that will to win, mate. It sounds like you had a fantastic day out. Big question this week.

with Sulford City changing their colour back from red to orange if you were to change anything about any of your former clubs what would it be Joey we could be here for days I was just going to say that as he's got about 20 different clubs don't worry but one that just immediately came to mind

I'm a fan of the traditional stadiums and West Ham at Upton Park was a special special place special atmosphere particularly on a night game and listen I wasn't there that long but some of the nights I experience they were absolutely magnificent and it just has not worked as it at the London Stadium so my big thing with West Ham would be

let's get out of here and let's go back to Upton Park which by the way rebuild the bowling yeah man what is it that flats the apartments yeah it's a shave in it do you want to know something really sad go on my mate who is a massive West Ham fan but sometimes he goes back onto Google Earth and you know you can go back through more date right he'll go and look look at there I think it's really sad I think it's really not sad in that way it's in like oh he's sad Sad as him, like, that would tug on my heart. Oh, massively.

And listen, we get where football is now in terms of the business side of it. We still don't get that stadium, though. No, and that's the big thing. So you look at, for example, the spurs or even other clubs that I've played for, you know, that have moved Redding for its armpool. And, you know, it's still their ground.

And they're never quite as good, the atmospheres. But, you know, there's still a bit of, right, this is us. I just never feel that with West Ham. Going to do games there now, watch games, cover them. It just doesn't feel like, It's their stadium. And I think because of that, they're losing a huge part of what makes that football club great,

the passion of the fans. And they're right on top of you at Upton Park. So that would be my big one. Tommy. I'm actually going to follow on with the stadium shout when I was at Stoke. Listen, all three of us have been to Stoke. I'm sure on numerous occasions. If I could change anything about that ground,

I would make sure all the ends are covered because when the wind gets swirling in that place, oh, that's the corners. That's exactly what I mean, Joe. Get them corners boxed in because it's great I think at football stadiums that are sort of all boxed in

all the corners it holds the atmosphere in and it feels a little bit more like a game whereas sometimes at Stoke certainly in the winter when that wind gets swirling and it's cold

it is a tough tough place to play post COVID that sort of like you know that season after COVID they played the league cup in the first couple of rounds

at the start the season do you remember like on the first two Saturdays and I left my house and it was like 22 degrees and I was like I don't need a jacket kit i don't need anything like that i got to stoke ho ho ho ho it was freezing it was a very bad mistake real rookie error yeah and then you've added rory de lap thundering down and throwing long

balls into your box mate absolute missile so uh yeah it was uh and is still a tough place to go so i'm with you i think that's a great shout i'd say what would you change about your club drop us a message on what's up of 8000 289-9-369 remember to leave your name with your message later on we'll be reflecting on some fighting talk after the FA Cup first round draw but we'll start with the former Arsenal England midfield of Jack Wilshire being appointed the new boss of League 1 Luton Town he'll be supported by assistant Chris Powell and Jack is with us now Jack welcome to 72 plus the home of the NFL

from 5 Live Sport and it's full sort of 360 for you you're back where you started at Luton Town how pleased you to be heading up the football club Yeah, thanks guys. The overriding feeling is that, is pride, is excitement. I'm honoured to be here. You know, as you grow up in football, I've had some amazing moments in my career. But without a doubt, this is the proudest moment of my career and something that really excites me.

But the way I am, when you have them feelings, it quickly turns to, well, we have to do well and I want to do well. So, yeah, it's been an exciting week, but also a week where, it's a realisation that we have to do a lot and there's not that much time to do it. So excitement but a bit of pressure as well. For those of us who have sort of kept tabs with your career and in particular the sort of last year or so, I look at your name being linked with jobs

and I think there's no one really more hungry out there to get a shot of proving that there can be a number one. How pleased are you that you've been afforded this opportunity but that it's Luton Town as well? A club that was in the Premier League, two years ago? Yeah, well, this club gave me that opportunity as a player and it gave me a platform to then move on

and go to Arsenal and have the career I did and it, you know, full circle, like people say, oh, it sounds a bit cheesy, but it is, it is that way. And maybe it's because I come from here and all the talks we had during the week and, you know, I really hope that my ambition came across, but also what came across from the club was their ambition

and, you know, they explain their story and what they feel goes wrong. Of course, with my connection with the club, I had an idea and a feeling, but to actually feel it from the guys and then to get into the environment and see the players and feel the players. And the beautiful thing I think about this story is,

we have players still in the squad that have been on the whole journey. They've been up to the Premier League from League 1. Now they're back in League 1. And part of me coming in here is yes, to add my style and bring who I am, but also align and capture what that. was that made this club so successful.

And yeah, that really interests me and the fact that they've given me the opportunity to be the guy and help them get back to where they are. I'm incredibly grateful and incredibly driven to repay the faith they've shown in me. In terms of your own journey, I suppose, from a coaching perspective, you've taken your time,

which I think's been very, very sensible. How important has that been for you to sort of, I suppose, learn out of the limelight? We've seen a lot of high-profile players make that sort of jump straight away. But obviously your time spent at the Arsenal Academy system and then obviously your time at Norwich. How bigger factor has that been for you

in getting to where you are now and being ready to step out into the head coach role? Yeah, I think, Jambi, that's the key for me and the important thing is, like, even now where I'm at in my journey, I'm very humble and very driven to get better and understand that I can and I want to get better still. but I also feel in a place

because of what you explained in the journey that I had I remember walking into the academy on the first day and the big job was to align the playing style and get us playing like the first team again

but in my head going in and creating an environment was more important but I didn't know how to do that that I'd been in the environment that was high performing and was successful but I had to really

find my way and understand what that was and how I can translate that how I can convince the players, how I can inspire the players. And then also the other side of it, you know, there would be like managing staff, trying to create alignment between staff that we're all pushing in the same way. And all these things helped me.

But I also felt in a place when I left Arsenal. So I always said that I didn't want to leave that environment until I could really feel I could have an influence and affect first team players. And I decided to take that step in Norwich. And I think it was a really good step. becoming a first team coach being on someone's staff and being able to watch how they do it

to feel what the players are feeling when watching it and selfishly at times the ability to step back because like you said I wasn't the head coach I wasn't the main guy and things didn't always go right

and there was pressure at times of being able to step back and feel that and then probably ultimately what gave me the belief was the last two games of the season I think you can have a dream and ambition of being a coach, but you never actually know what that feels like until

you're on the sideline or until you're stood in the meeting room in front of the lads and you're asking them to do stuff and you're trying to bring back an energy at the time at Norwich because it was so flat and actually then seeing that and feeling the players do what I wanted them to do and really give everything for me. It gave me a massive belief. And yeah, of course, when I left Norwich, I was slightly disappointed because I felt like I was ready to take that job. but I also left with a huge belief that I could do it and, yeah, I'm again thankful for Luton for giving me that opportunity to show it.

How big of a feeling was that for you, albeit you only had two games with Norwich, but that sort of feeling of leading a team out and sort of being on the touchline as opposed to perhaps being sat on the bench as a coach, that feeling you had at Norwich, did it really give you that sort of desire and hunger to think, you know what, I'm ready for this now,

I want to be the sort of main man? Yeah, it did. I'm sure we've all experienced it and we'll experience it more in our life. for sure, but like the imposter syndrome, of course, is real and it lives there. And of course, like, there was doubts in my head before that. And I think standing there and seeing the players and feeling their response because it's all about the players, but as you know, as you guys know, it's all about the players

and how they respond to you and how you can inspire them and keep inspiring them. But also, since leaving Norwich, and probably was it four months since I've had, like within them four months, there's also been some moments where I've had to think, you know, I left Norwich in a really good place with a lot of belief that I could become a head coach and I could make it happen. And then as the months go by and you get an opportunity, but then you don't quite get it and you quite keep getting the same answers, you know, you're back in your head and you're thinking around, oh, okay, I'm humble enough to know that I needed to be coaching as well. So this has come at a really good time where I've had a good spell where I've had to think about what it is I actually want. And, yeah, to be given this opportunity and to go in it with my eyes open because I still need to, my ears open, I still need to learn things, but also in a place where I can really feel like I can make a difference and create something here that will help us be successful. How do you do it then, Jack, Luton, back-to-back relegations now, 11th in League 1?

It's been a really horrible start to life back in League 1, but there's also this feeling around the football club that it's been on a downward spiral for a couple of years. How do you arrest it? How do you get things going back in the right direction? Yes, I think first of all, like, as you say that, like, yeah, you're right. That's the fact. And we have to accept that and we have to commit to where we are and try and solve that situation. But when I really think about it and I look at the squad and I look at the players,

first and foremost, it's a good squad that I believe can get out of this league. But we have players that have been on that journey. We have players that have what you're saying, you know, really successful, probably up to their time. in the Premier League winning more games than losing more games and then all of a sudden

that switches when you're in the Premier League it's a different level your ambition change and you're trying to survive in a league which then it flips you're losing more games

and then you get relegated and probably haven't been able to capture what it was before that we had to try and get us back to competing and it started happening again where they lose games

lose games so first of all we have to find out what has happened and what that is and then instill belief. I'm a big believer, you know, the managers that I had, that I liked, that I think fondly of. It wasn't necessarily, oh, you know, we played this amazing style or, you know, we did this tactically. It was how they made me feel and the environment they created and, you know,

making training sessions enjoyable. Yeah, of course, when we work, we work, but we're enjoying it because then it creates a competitive environment that, if anything, like, if we need to capture anything from Luton, it's that. Like, when people come to Kennellworth Road, they need to feel that. They need to feel that we're competitive in every moment that the fans need to feel that because if we can get the fans to come with us, they can transmit an energy to us. So we need to address that before we start talking about, well, this is how we want to play and this is where I see. And we will, we will do that. And we've got some really good, strong characters in this group, older players, senior players, with a nice blend of youth players who probably don't

quite understand actually what Luton is and what it's about. So my job is to tell them, that and to show them that and create an environment that is competitive and that we are in every moment in every game and then we can start changing styles and stuff. I've just got to ask you about your number two is coming. Obviously I know Chris from my time when I was at Huddersfield and I'm sure I speak on behalf of everyone when I say he's an absolute diamond of a character. How important is it going to be for you to sort of be able to lean on him and his experience and you know in your first managerial job? How important is he going to be for you? Yeah, he's massive. and of course I'm not going to say

and say not, but like you said and you've experienced it. Like, I've known Chris over the years to say hello to and respected him because of his status in the game. And I had my first real chat with him last season. He was at Sheffield Wednesday, I was at Norwich, obviously,

and we played him, they beat us, and I spent 20 minutes after the game speaking with him. And there was two things that came across. Number one is humility. And, like, so, for example, he spent 15 minutes telling me how good Danny Role was,

and Danny Role weren't in the room and without naming names there are some manager's office that the coaches that are still on that staff they say things about the coach and Danny Role wasn't in the room and he just spent telling me

he's good at this, he's good at that and I was just like a sponge and then since the last few days or the last few weeks when we started talking about this relationship and will it work the one thing that the biggest thing that came across to me is his love for the game and I'm a big believer in how important that is, you know, like there's moments

in your career, you know, I had tough moments in my career where I was injured and what kept me really, really going was, yeah, of course, support from family, but you have to have a real deep, deep love for the game and he definitely, he shares that. And the more we work together, the more I can see we have similar ideas. He's obviously going to help me with the team out possession with his knowledge. So, yeah, many things he can help me with is know-how in the environment, his experience of being an assistant, being a head coach. So, yeah, I'm looking forward to growing that relationship and you definitely help us.

Obviously, from our perspective, we've covered a lot of the football stuff, which is important, but what we really like to get into is a bit of fashion stakes. You know, we're quite big on that. What's the club going to be like on the touch? I see, you know, popped up in a nice suit,

looking very, very professional for the first day at work kind of stuff, but you're actually going to be against Robbie Savage, who I know fancies himself as well, and the star steak. so what's the club we're going to be like on the touchline mate yeah do you know what do you like it's probably the first time I thought about that was lying in bed last night yeah I was thinking well if I'm going to have to order something you have to be next day delivery it's coming around quick so yeah I don't quite know the answer to that question I've got an

idea and you probably saw what I wore at borough but I think I'll be one who changes listen I like sometimes coaching in a track suit I like sometimes but I think like when you're the head coach, I think, out of respect for the club and, listen, when I was appointed, there was no way I was wearing anything but a suit out of respect and, you know, the history and the tradition of football

and this club in particular, you know. So that was an easy decision. But yeah, going forward, I don't know. I'm not really that big into my fashion. I never really was as a player. But I also understand the

importance of it as a manager. So, yeah, I need to think about that. You're in my head now. Rent-free. Jack, a lot of people have talked about Luton Town and identity and maybe losing that identity. What can we expect to see from your side? What does the Jack Bullshare team look like?

The first thing is that we're on the front foot and that we're competitive in every moment. And, you know, I had so many amazing coaches over the years, but one thing that always stood out for me is, and I still use it now, is earn the right. It's a saying in football that people, probably don't use enough. We have to earn the right to get the ball. We have to earn the right for the fans to cheer us, to scream, to come with us. And like, you talk about Luton's

identity. And part of my role, you know, when I was at Norwich, was helping the manager understand the league and understand where we were going. And I remember saying to me, before we came to Luton, what are we going to expect when we go there? And the first thing I said, well, they're going to be aggressive, we're going to be in your face. They're going to be man for man. They're going to make it into a game that probably we don't want. And Actually, in that game, they didn't do that. They didn't do that. And we won the game.

And our away form at Norwich wasn't the best. So it came as a surprise to us. So, of course, there's some things we can do, I think, to help us get more controlling games and attack in many different ways. I think we need variation in our attacks. I think we need to be able to, yeah, sometimes be what looting is and play a little bit more vertical and get the ball in their half in moments in the game and also be aggressive out of possession.

but sometimes as well how I see the game is I like control I want the ball but we're not stupid we don't take too many risks and we're pragmatic with our approach

especially in the early days we need to win some games we need to get a feel good factor and listen I think I can help the players instill some belief but ultimately winning games is what gives you the most belief so yeah we'll be pragmatic

but front-footed as well best a lot Jack we want to see you Do well. So look, you've got the back of all of us and we're really excited to see what Jack Wilshire's Luton Town looks like. Thank you.

Very best a lot, mate. All the best, mate. So, Japs, Jack Wilshire there, the new Luton Town boss. Anyone surprised at the appointment, Tommy? Perhaps, maybe a little bit of surprise. But, I mean, one thing I would say after listening to him now

is he's saying all the right things as, you know, he's certainly someone who knows what he wants to do. He's been given an opportunity at a fantastic football club in Luton. You know, there's still a lot of time in the season to go for him to sort of put his blueprint, if you like, down on the club. And I think he's one to look out for for sure. I quite like it.

I've got to be honest. Listen, is there going to be some looting fans maybe saying we would have wanted a experience manager who knows the leagues and has maybe got a track record of getting out because that is the objective at that football club, make no doubt about that. But really interesting reading some of Gary Sweet's comments about some of the data that they looked at before they made the appointment. and a really interesting one sort of popped up over the last five years have been eight managers appointed in league one with no managerial experience at all and four of them have gone on to get automatic promotion

so that's not a bad ratio again you know what is a real guarantee in this day and age he's young he's hungry I think his knowledge of the club actually as is probably one of the biggest factors again listening to him speak about his time even when he was a kid there you know eight nine and being at Kenilworth Roald

and feeling because you do feel it. You feel the atmosphere there when it is really, really good. It's not just a noise, you know, and as an opposing player, it can be, you know, really on top of you. So I think his understanding of that. And then also going back and training under Nathan Jones and, you know, at a time where the club were flying

and having a good understanding of what that looks and feels like for the club. So, listen, aligned with his experience as a player. And the great thing about it, and I think he's been really clear, he doesn't want to just rely on, Oh, I used to be a really good football player. You know, he really's gone out of his way to cut his teeth as a coach. You know, he's gone out and different experiences. And so I think they're getting someone who really wants to go and make it work,

has done things the right way. And again, I think the appointment of Chris Powell is an absolute key one as well. So good luck to him. What did you wear when you were in your brief stint as a manager, Joby? I was sort of a, I'd say the smart casual brigade, you know, a pair of chinos and pundit pumps. You didn't have Chinoes back then, mate. Not a chance you wore Chino.

Dig a few photos out, mate. Chinos didn't even exist that long ago, mate. Managerial, we're only talking a few years ago now. I know the grey hairs might distort things a little bit, but I'm still looking fresh on the touchline. You were definitely a trackie and a pair of football boots. Hold on, I've got a picture of him now. Never be a track.

Let's just zoom in on it. We've got the club coat. And then I don't know what those trousers are because they're not Chino's. Well, they're definitely not flares. I can tell you. that much. I can't see this image. There's no pundit pumps there either. No? It is. I was player manager. I might actually have come off at this point. I might have hooked myself on 60 minutes because I was absolutely blowing and then just had to see the game out.

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72 Plus, the EFL podcast with Aaron Paul and Joby McEnuff. Just on another point, we talked on last week 72 Plus about how Avi Grazie Grazie, returning to Watford. That means that 10 of the 72 FL clubs are now managed by someone who is in at least their second spell in charge. Sheffield, United, Watford and Cheltenham have all gone back to an old flame this season. Why is this so common, lads? Oh, it's an interesting question, isn't it?

I think particularly when managers have done well and had success. Again, we talk a lot about the unknown, and there's a little bit of a fear about that, isn't there? So, again, you look at that list, obviously, Habi Gratia did a brilliant job first time run. fantastic and there's a lot of positivity and good feeling about him going back Chris Wilder the same Steve Crotchwell was a long long time ago his success

but he's had a really positive impact so I don't know I suppose it's that familiarity a bit of confidence in someone who's done a good job beforehand and maybe a little bit of getting the fans on side at times as well Aaron I think sometimes you don't know what you've got till it's gone do you sometimes and certainly what are you sniggering out there

Joe that's Aaron that's Aaron is it was it as But genuinely, I think sometimes you think the grass is greener don't you, you know, with a manager and certainly in the Sheffer United situation with Chris Wilder obviously

they've obviously tried to go down a different route with Ruben Seyes and it didn't work out and then it's like, oh well we didn't know what we had until it's left and Chris has gone back in and listen, it's going to be a challenge for him but sometimes it seems to be that that's the case and managers go back to clubs and in the hope that we can sort of pick up where they left off

it is an interesting one I've never actually dealt with it in terms of my own personal career that that's happened to me but yeah it must be an unusual one have you encountered that before Jobs no I've not had a manager come back I went back as a player

and there is that sort of shout isn't there never go back but my first spell was probably as bad as it could ever have gone so if it had gone even worse a second time they've grown when you turned up again yeah that probably wasn't the feeling

I've got to say when you've had like let's say you know Chris Wilder comes back and you know Steve Kotrell returning hero definitely wasn't the case for me when I went back to later on. I had a lot of work to do to prove a few people wrong. Well, that's part of it as well. I think going back, you do want to show people what you've got.

You know, look at Alex Revel, at Stevenage, who had a tough time, first time around, went away and then came back in a different capacity. Again, learnt the ropes, more experience, and he's absolutely flying. And you contrast that with a Darren Ferguson at Peterborough, who, again, has had success in the past, but is in a real difficult spot. at this moment in time. And I think that just sums up football where we are now. It doesn't really matter what you did in the past.

If you're not producing now, you're not going to stick around for too long, really. Do you know, I love it. You know when a manager returns to a club, they'll do the typical press announce on it. It'll be insert manager name here has unfinished business with insert club name. No, mate, go into the press conference

and just say, whatever I said, whatever I did, I didn't mean it. I just want you back for good. Want you back? We're reading off the songs today, aren't we? Yeah, absolutely. There's some interesting characters in there, Neil Harris at Cambridge, Neil Harris and Mark Bonner at Cambridge.

Mark Bonner going back is director of football. Good old Bonzo. Darren Ferguson, Peter Brenner, his four-spelled Darrell Clark at Bristol Rovers, Scott Lindsay at Crawley, cookie at Chesterfield, Wilder in his third spell as manager at Sheffield United. I don't know. I don't know. It is a strange one.

We mentioned Jack Wilsh's luten taking on Robbie Savage's Forest Green, that in the first round of the FA Cup. Also in the draw lowest ranks are Mouldon and Tip. of the 8th tier in the Ishmian League North Division will travel to League 1 Port Vale. Here's Jammer's boss, a former Manchester City midfielder, Kevin Horlock, followed by co-owner Barry Drewitt Barlow.

We'll take that, obviously, they're a club with a lot of history, got good backing. We'd have liked it at home, obviously, but we go there. Do you know what, it's quite nice for the first time this season we'll be underdogs. So it's a day off from being favourites, and we go there and give it a right go. Where is it?

Like, literally where is Port Vale? Is it? I'm from Manchester way, isn't it? Is it? I'm from Manchester. I don't even know it. Can I just doff my cap to the exceptional Port Vale social media team again? Of course, winners of the 72 plus social media award last year. Port Vale put up a, on their sort of like, you know, their pitchside hoardings, the electric boards, they put up a post that said Portvale FC confusing geography teachers since 1876. The club have also tweeted saying,

I'm sure you'll find us just follow the smell of oak cakes and the dulcet tones of Robbie Williams. On the Morden Tiptree owner, he also says Port Vell need to focus on not getting relegated. Strong, strong. Wow. Strong. Yeah.

Very strong, that. Probably not what you need to be saying before a game. I mean, just the mention of Morden and Ticktree send shivers down my spine. It was one of the low points of my very early. coaching career. I was an assistant at Leighton, and we drew them.

It was during Kyle Fletcher's, I'm being polite here, disastrous rain, six games, no wins. That was what saw him off, actually. We got absolutely run ragged. And they were really good on the day. We were really poor,

but that really typified that spell, and that was literally him after that. It was good night and see you later. Is this you shouldering, well, putting all the blame onto him? Whoa, whoa, well, no, that's what it certainly feels like. I didn't say that. In his disastrous spell, not ours.

Well, this is the thing as a manager. Listen, when you were in the big shoes, mate, then it's all on you. Trust me. I found that out as well. So, no, listen, it was just one of those games that you look back on and you go, wow, I mean, we were terrible. And listen, it's what the cup's all about, isn't it? But when you're on the end of it, you don't really want to be. Kevin Hall, actually, I played with him at Westdown a long, long time ago.

so good to see him getting a little bit of a lime line. He was a man city, pre the money. Pre the money. Him and Ali Barnaby are in midfield. Yeah, lovely left foot. Danny Tehalla. Lovely. Yeah, beautiful left foot.

But top lad, so wish them well. But obviously we wish Portvale as well. Just 103 places between Morden and Tiptray and Port Vale in the Pyramid. It's what the Cup's all about, isn't it, Tom? As I've got to ask, I mean, I'll be honest with it's the first I've ever heard of this team. Whereabouts are they? Talk about, they don't know where Port Vale is. Is that where it is?

Is that where it is? Maldon and TipTree. Do you know what? It's an unbelievable name, isn't it? It sounds like some sort of like fragrance or like... You know, like a hand wash type thing. Do you know why they're nicknamed the Jammers? I've got no idea.

It's not because they like Bob Marley. Why is it? They were nicknamed the Jammers in reference to Tip Tree Jam. Very nice. Yeah, I like that. That's nice. There's a Tip Tree Jam shop over Colchester Way. Lovely little cafe

looks very, very nice indeed. You're absolutely right, yes. This is why we love the Cup, isn't it? It puts these type of teams right in the mix. I mean, Port Vale, obviously doing OK in League 1 at the minute. But yeah, that's why we love the Cup. Do you know who plays them?

Freddie Sears, former West Ham, Colchester forward, in amongst the ranks, yeah. It's got to have a big game in him, isn't he? This is the ones, like, when you're towards the end of your career and you get these games, you're like, right, the day to day and the week to week is quite a grind, I can imagine playing at that level,

but these are the ones. I think we'll see a bit of, vintage Freddy Sears just tear, I wonder if you've still got that pace just tearing away from someone and then sticking one in the bottom corner. I'd imagine it's sort of waned off now like being in his 30s and speaking of which

it's not being a lot of pace tailing off but speaking of which in terms of being in your 30s Lyle Taylor's Chelmsford up against local rivals Braintree town. Now Lyle lives near Braintree. If he carries on this rude vein of sort of like Formies and he scored six goals in 3 FA Cup games, they could be looking

down on him in the village as he goes to get his bread and his eggs and whatever else he eats. Yeah, that coffee and croissant run might be a bit dice if he actually scores a few more goals and knocks them out on it. I spoke to him last week. Do you know what he's been into at the moment? I think it could be what's got him into this sort of form. He's big into soup at the moment. Loves a soup. Really? Yeah, loves a soup. No, he just loves a soup. What would yours be? Oh, do you know what, QPR? They do a sweet potato and cheese. Okay. Very nice.

Tell me what you got. Do you know what? I mean, it is a winter thing, isn't it? I'm not a massive soup lover, but I don't know, maybe just the boring vegetable or something, maybe. Oh, dead. I'm not, yeah. Dead. Well, go on then, soup connoisseur.

What have you got for? No, you know what? Yeah, a bit like my chocolates. I'm pretty safe. But you know, like a lovely just tinner, cream of tomato, fresh baguette. Bit sweet that. No, mate, love it. Like a nice bit of fresh baguette.

Or my wife does a brilliant traditional. It's like a Western. Indian soup. I like a butternut squash. Okay, nice. So, yeah, that would be my two-go-to. There's a lady in the press room at QPR. She is the sweetest lady on earth,

and they always have, like, a nice vat of soup, and it's got like a chef special. I don't think it's the chef special. But she'll see me, she'll go, do you want to try it? And I go, what is it? And it'll be, like, the most random thing. It's mushroom and, you know, dandelion. I've gone, I've done it.

Try it, it's nice, and she'll pull me a little cup, and it will be unbelievable. Yeah, go on, fill me up. mate, well, these cold nights that are coming through winter when you're up on them gantries and stuff, mate. Taking a flask with you to games these days? 100%. Do you know what?

I might get him on for his birthday. I might get you a nice flask for you a birthday's coming up, just saying. To Bovril in it? On his cold winter nights. Is it the big Fivoreau yet, Jokes? No, come on, behave yourself. We are up north the other day and someone offered me a Bovril, mate.

One of the worst drinks ever known. Beef tea? To man. I mean, what even is Bovril? Can somebody let me know? It's like a beef soup, isn't it? It's a soup? You eat a soup, you don't drink it.

I mean, come on. You can have soup in a cup, so you drink it, don't you? Nah. I find you consume it. Let's write that off and say, 08,000, 289-39-369. Get us your messages on WhatsApp. Remember to leave your name with your message. Joby's Big Fivo coming up in November.

What should we be buying him? Should we get him a flask of some sort? Should we buy my, I don't know, maybe a walking stick or something, maybe? That's Uncle Albert's, mate. I'm in my fluffy slippers and dressing down here, mate. What should we get? Anyway, topical suggestion for our 72 plus all-time Ultimate EFL 11 this week and it comes from Alex in Leeds.

Hi, boys, love the pod. Ultimate Team Leftback has to be the legend that is Chrissy Powell. In at Luton, who wants to talk about Chrissy Power? Go on, Tom. What a fella, I must say, what an absolute diamond of a character. Really, really nice fella. He was at Huddersfield with me. He was my manager at Huddersfield when I was just sort of coming through.

We had a couple of good young plays at the time. Conocoady was there. Harry Bunn was there and we were the sort of three players who Chris Powell sort of took under his wing as such he was desperate for us to do well we were the younger players in the team

he was just such a likable person really really well liked comes across ever so well and I've seen him a few times since he left Huddersfield and he's still that same type of character you know we'll always make time for you

very pleasant to be around and I'm really looking forward to seeing how him and Jack get on over at Luton Does Chrissy Powell knock George Friend out of our 11 though? I'm going to defer this to Tommy because he was always moaning that he hasn't had a shout for your one yet. Just like, wasn't it? Deflected that poor defeat at Mulder and Tiptree to Carl Fletcher.

Poor guy lost his job after 29 days. Listen, all I was saying on that one, I gave him some advice as an assistant that I thought would help. He absolutely pired it off. Listen, the end result was a big loss. What I hear that of us? Can't win it, win it, dude. You better, go.

Go. Go, we need to school some goals, go. Gosh. Talk about longevity. I think probably George Friend, and I might be wrong. Correct me if I'm wrong. I feel like George Friend has probably done more playing time

and spent longer in his career in the EFL. I would just give friend a nod at the moment. I have a suggestion also if I can put forward a case for a good friend of mine. So people have been tapping you up? Like, oh, you've been hearing it. How am I not on the list and all that? No, not quite. Just something that I was thinking about.

With regards to the where can we strengthen the team there's a midfield slot that I still feel could potentially If you get rid of Ian Ashby, you're in trouble I didn't mention any names I didn't mention any names who I want to get rid of or dislodge

I just sort of think that Johnny Howson deserves a very very honourable mention someone who I think in terms of appearances and longevity like we keep talking about you're looking at someone who's played over 750 games promoted from the championship

to the Premier League 19 year career I think he deserves a very honorable mention and I think he could easily go into our ultimate 11 I'm with you on that mate I would definitely as the listeners would know would probably not have Ian Ashby in the team

so I think Johnny Housen also and these are a couple I think we have mentioned before Wes Hulahan I think has to be in the mix as well so yeah I'd love to hear from the listeners to see what they think about that. Phil Brown is coming for you yeah he can but he's gone left us and gone into management again and he so he doesn't

have a say anymore. So are we making this official Johnny Howson for Ian Ashby? Send us your suggestions for our EFL Ultimate 11. Message your voice notice on WhatsApp 08,000, 289-369 but let me warn you. If you vote Ian Ashby out and Phil Brown Cummings not knocking on your door in the middle of the night wearing a cravat, do not come to me. Do not dark on my door. I didn't vote for it. I voted for Chris Powell. Let's finish with this. the Football Daily.

Yeah, maybe the international break for some, but not for Jobie, who still picked out his best and worst moments of the week in the EFL. What we got, Job's? Yeah, still plenty of action to pick out. And I'm going to start with my 72 plus, which is Josh Benson, a brilliant free kick for Robham. It was 1-1 at the time, 87th minute. What a way to score the winner.

Not quite in the top corner where the spiders sleep, but a brilliant strike nonetheless. Let's have it. Benson, central position. Stutter-step run-up from Benson over the wall! Oh, what a goal! What a goal! For Josh Benson, a perfect setpiece. Curled, right-footed from 22 yards.

It dipped just past the outstretched hand of a diving RossFit Simmons. The away end goes absolutely potty. BBC Radio Sheffield's Andy Giddings using the phrase, absolutely potty. Great objective, Tom. Very good objective. Yeah, I must say I do like the spiders sleeping shout also by our co-host, Mr Joby McEnough. Very good.

I nick that from one of our commentators on local. Who was it, Aaron, do you remember? It was in the Grimsby, Chuttonham game, so there'll be in BBC. Yeah, what shout. Really enjoyed it. Yeah, cheers, mate. Joby, your 72 minus, please. Oh, it comes from a cracker of a game between Harrogut and Fleetwood and a real defensive

mixer. Anthony O'Connor at the back. Seemingly no danger. He's waving the goalkeeper. to come and get it who to me was too far away belshaw ends up running out doesn't get anywhere near the ball ends up getting nutmeg then conceding the goal i definitely don't think they're going to be having a beer together after that can we just bring this bed down a little bit just a little bit just a little bit just a little bit just a little bit just a little bit okay bring on the

pugwash the back pass has been misjudged by belshaw teed up for gradin three two it's absolutely awful from Harrogate Town the ball found its way into the right side of the box Bell shall start to come for it missed out its playback

Graydon hammers it in and in the game which Harrogate Town should be leading and comfortably leading find themselves behind for the first time this afternoon It's the best goal music in football

You don't mind going and getting beaten at Fleetwood because of that goal music I'd sit do you know what it is as well it's because it's an accordion it's the intake of air you can hear

firstly when they press record on the record and then when the intake of it goes it's great it's so good back in the day at Wimbledon and it was our good mate Garra Fainsworth

who we hope is continuing his recovery and his nickname was Wild Thing so he would score a goal and then cue the music Wild Thing and he'd be there as if imaginary strumming a massive guitar and that

so it was pretty cool for a young pup to sort of see that Chelsea fans at the moment going a bit knocked because the Fratellis, they're playing Chelsea dagger da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-no. It doesn't watch football, you see. No, that's not true. I just feel like there's a time and a place, isn't there? That's what I'm saying.

If you're winning two, three-n-n-nil, put whatever you want on. Do you know what I mean? Middlesbrough used to have gold music, the pig bag, no. It's the most annoying thing when you have conceded a goal. But this is what I'm saying, Joe, but there's a time and a place, isn't there? Sort of going mental and singing, it's like does your absolute heading, mate. Do you know, I mentioned Bristol City a lot on this podcast because I've got an abysmal record at Ashton Gate.

I don't think I've seen them win there in a couple of years. But what I really want them to win is because they play that song, Drink Up Do Isoider. And I've probably mentioned it in this podcast before. I'm desperate to hear that song at the gate, just haven't heard it yet. anyway great a goal by the way on that I forgot what we've played that for great great goal

no fleet were players in our fantasy teams Joby one Canobi standing firm in mid table with a distinctly average week looks like Bolton surprised defeat at Burton caught a lot of people out yeah what about you mate go to the boys a bit of time off international break just said look and get some warm

over training abroad somewhere the manager and players having a break for international break but actually there was some games so I was scouting, Joby. You need to do some scouting. Now, have you gone from seventh bottom down to sixth, mate? Like, seriously. Hey, look, I gave the boys some time off.

It's fine. We'll be all right. Mate, as come on. For someone who is supposed to be an EFL aficionado, I mean, this is casting some doubt on that because season after season now, I've really got a question. The thing is, Tommy, when you have managerial methods, like my own, like, success will come.

It will prevail. I'm building something. I'm building an identity. Jobie, on the other hand, gets Carl Fletcher out of a job, takes the job himself, then decides, nah, don't fancy it, mate. No, not at all, listen, you back yourself, once you're in there. Gives it large on fantasy. I don't know where your next job's coming from, as if you carry this on, I'll tell you that much.

Very good. Shout out Amitah with the highest score of this game week. 78 points, Captain Bromley's Michael Cheek for his winner at crew. He's a good player, isn't he? Yes, he's a... Love scoring a goal. I just love that for a story. Like, your whole career has been outside of the EFL.

and then you just step up and just do what you have been and there's that always, there is a bit of a stigma at different levels whether you're predominantly EFL player can you get up to the prem if you're someone who's played non-le

can you go and do it? Listen, I think goal scorer's in particular it's a knack, it's a know-how of where to be and obviously then have you got the ability to find the right finish at the right time and he is proving week in week out

that he certainly has got that ability whatever the level. Job's their commodity as well. The old school proper number line they're a real commodity and Bromley have got a very, very good one. Where are you guys this weekend? Who's watching what?

I am studio doing QPR Millwall, which should be a good one. Obviously Millwell, brilliant win last time out, which they really needed. And in QPR, I've had a massive resurgence after that absolute humbling against Commentary City. So, yeah, it should be a good one. Smudge. Not 100% sure yet where I'm going,

but I'm just pleased at the EFL and the Premier League is back because I'll be honest with you, international week, it's just not for me. So I'm just glad that the EFL is back with a bang this weekend. I'm off to Charlton watching them play Crisis Club, Sheffield, Wednesday. Afterwards, I'll be presenting

606 live on BBC Radio 5 Live 0808-8-5-909-693. I want to hear from EFL fans and we did it across the start of the season where we had so many EFL fans ringing in and do you know what? I want to hear from you. Get in touch. It's myself and Chris Sutton.

We'd love to learn more about it. Had a great Stevenage call of the other day talking about Alex Ravel. And you know what? We're here for that. We're here to represent the Football League, to fly that flag. Remember to send us your all-time. EFL, ultimate 11 suggestions and what you change about your club.

And also, birthday present suggestions. Joby about to hit the big 50 in November. Cannot wait for it. Hasn't invited me to a party yet. 44, 44. No party yet, but I'm not surprised. I might be having one, actually. Might have to get your fancy dress out.

0,000, 289, 369. I might come to full Joby McAough, Wimbled and G. kit from that night yet that is it for this episode of the Football Daily the next one will be Euroleagues with John Bennett as for us here on 72 plus we'll be back next week catch you then I've got a shout out at mum's here today

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