Football Daily - 72+ EFL Pod: Southampton sack Still & soup-er Lyle Taylor

Episode Date: November 5, 2025

Aaron Paul, Jobi McAnuff & Lyle Taylor react to Southampton sacking Will Still. Also hear from under-pressure Norwich boss Liam Manning. Lyle is on course for the FA Cup Golden Ball, and will David Nugent make our 72+ Ultimate All-Time EFL XI? Send your suggestions to us on WhatsApp to 08000 289 369.02:10 Lyle is joint top-scorer in the FA Cup 07:30 Is soup the secret to Lyle’s success? 12:45 Will Still sacked by Southampton 19:30 Are football club structures too complicated? 25:45 Liam Manning struggling at Norwich City 35:55 David Nugent for our Ultimate EFL All-Time XI? 39:50 72PLUS 72MINUS5 Live / BBC Sounds commentaries: Wed 1745 Qarabag v Chelsea, Wed 2000 Man City v Borussia Dortmund, Sat 1500 West Ham v Burnley, Sat 1500 Everton v Fulham on Sports Extra, Sat 1730 Sunderland v Arsenal, Sun 1400 Nottingham Forest v Leeds, Sun 1400 Brentford v Newcastle on Sports Extra, Sun 1400 Aston Villa v Bournemouth on BBC Sport, Sun 1400 Crystal Palace v Brighton on BBC Sport, Sun 1630 Man City v Liverpool.

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Joe Byers, how are you? Are we back to body parts? I thought we'd pass that phase of the relationship. All right, fine. Hello, welcome to 72 plus the home of the Eiffel from Five Livesport. With me as ever, it's Joby McEnough. Hello, mate. How are you, Jobb?

Yeah, very well, actually. I had an interesting weekend, a bit of work. usual on a Saturday. And I was down at Mercer United, little collaboration between the EFL and one of their sponsors to make an ex-pro who happened to be Steve Sidwell. So he said in all these competitions, you know, play with a former pro. So Siddy went down there and they won a competition for him to be part of the team, which was one thing. And then we did a bit of an EFL wrap around. We took the desk with us, a couple of microphones, present us, stroke, pundit. We're going to get a bit of commentary properly done.

over the top of it. Yeah, really, really nice day. I've got to say that the lads were brilliant. Can't say it the same about Steve Sidwell's performance. I've got to be honest. I think it's one of those that seems like a good idea at the time. Then 60 minutes into it, absolutely caked in mud, trudging around the pitch, desperate to score a goal.

Unfortunately, wasn't to be, and they ended up losing the game. So I'm not sure he's going to get an invite back, if I'm being honest. A bit awkward, isn't it? A little bit. in the studio was bagging goals in the FA cut. It is Bagsman. The Chelmsford Stryker, Lyle Taylor, is with us.

Hello. Do you want to tell everyone the word that we've just been debating? Philosophising. Yeah. Joby, definition? To speculate or theorise about fundamental or serious issues especially in a tedious or pompous way. Nice. Word of the week.

On 72 plus. Pompous. You've been called that before? No, never. I was born in. Grinich and grew up in New Cross. Top scorer of the FEC, or joint top scorer at the moment with Liam Atkinson of Long Ridge Town. However, they are out. Top scorer gets like a golden ball, like a ball and door.

You shining up the mantel piece? Do you? Yeah. I didn't know that. Do you not know the other benefits you get? I know you get tickets to the final because my little brother's team mate. Not just tickets. You get to walk out and carry the match ball.

you don't want to do that no I don't want to do that I don't want to do that okay I did extra incentive why would you not want to do that I just feel a little bit awkward

yeah yeah I mean you think it's probably more design for lads who probably haven't quite played at the level you have so that experience of walking out for an FA Cup final well maybe but if

if I were to be lucky enough to be the top scorer in the FA Cup I'd rather give that opportunity to like a bull boy or ball girl, I think it would probably mean a lot more to a young budding footballer than it would be to me. Do you know what I mean, Jokes? I think somebody, a young person who dreams and aspires to be a professional footballer one day might enjoy that and actually value that more than I would. So I wouldn't want to, I'd rather be able to give that to that opportunity to somebody else. Well, no, but it doesn't mean, at my age, it doesn't mean a

What if they say no? Well, then I'd say, well, I don't want to do it then. Because I don't think it's right. That 35, 36-year-old, Lyle Taylor, who's had a good, long career, walks out with the matchball when there's an 8, 9-year-old, 10-year-old little boy, a little girl who wants to become a footballer who could do that and actually really enjoy the day and their family get to see them at Wemble and what have you. Is it tantamount to when people over the age of like 10 are mascots

and have to walk out with teams? I'm not going to put an age on it. I'm not because I don't want to discriminate against anyone. Maybe you could defer it to Liam Atkinson. He's your rival in the goal scoring charts at the moment, both on eight goals. You could auction it for charity. I could auction it for charity to be. Yeah, that's not a bad shot, actually.

I'd have to gain approval from the football association. No, worst case, you know Joby will turn up, full suit, everything, tie, tie pin, hair, beautiful. I thought he'd go to the opening of a bag, Chris, Jim. Well, I definitely wouldn't have been there for scoring most goals in an FA Cup campaign, so I'll take loud knockdowns, but if he wants to send it my way, I happily accept. Good weekend for you, though. A great weekend, a great weekend. A big occasion for the football club, and a lot of things fell into place,

and we were on job. We did what we had to do. It's nice seeing you play with a smile and scoring goals again. It's a very good feeling. I said afterwards when I was interviewed that being happy is massively underrated. So I think that's probably where I'm at in life in general is just trying to be happy and trying to enjoy

every time I step out on the pitch because I've been fortunate. I've been fortunate and I'm still fortunate now so I can't complain. I think for a lot of people out there, they just assume as footballers, you know, any team you play for, you know, you're going to go and love it,

but it can get a little bit like work at times, like, oh, can't it? And I know there'll be people out there going, what do you mean, you're a professional footballer? But just actually, because I was exactly the same, you know, when I went back to Leighton or an even year I had at Stevenage, you know, the enjoyment and actually everything at that stage of your career being right off the field,

it really does add to you then going out to be able to perform your best, you know, and I think sometimes as footballers, we maybe get obsessed of, trying to stay at the highest level possible because there's a bit of ego attached to that, you know, do I want to drop down to whatever league it is, you know, when you have played higher in your career. But actually, you might be having to be away from home for X amount of nights a week or, you know, and things aren't quite right at home. And you don't get the best out of yourself on the pitch.

You just how important's that been and, as I say, in terms of that happiness that you found at Chelmsford. I think football is massively around, centred around ego, because I think you have to have the ego to be able to make it against the odds that we have to beat to get to where we got to. So I think ego is massive in football and that's what that drives you forward. But I think you get to an age where you kind of accept who you are as a person, who you are as a footballer and it just everything else kind of pales into the background and is less significant than it was when you were younger and you were chasing. And there are things that become,

much more important outside football than the things that are in football per se. So that's where I mean we had a conversation just beforehand about philosophical experiences and conversations and I do think

that to become wealthy and become rich it's about family and things like that and I think that is the most important thing and when that is good everything else good follows. Amen to that. Do you want me to bring the conversation right back down.

Oh, God. You love soup, don't you? Soup? Yeah. Do you remember a few weeks ago when... Eating or drinking? I dropped it on a pod that you just loved eating

soup for dinner. Do you remember? Well, I've had soup a couple of times for dinner and... Not a couple of times. Okay, all right. I've had a fair amount of soup in the last, I'd say six weeks, maybe a month. And it's been driven by you. Food-flavored tea.

is what my sister calls it. That's mental and a thought of that. It's disgusting. But it's been driven by you, and you said to me, you said that I should have a grilled cheese and I should make myself a grilled. Tell him the recipe. So, well, no, you've got to tell them the recipe because it's your recipe.

Hear me out, Jopes. Lyle, he was getting the soups and I said, look, I love a good soup. It's just something about it. I don't know. You're a soup, man, Job? Yeah, I don't mind a bit of a suit, man. Saturday suit.

But the thing is, you've got to go and you've got to, pair it with something nice. Now, if you're getting yourself a little crusty bag wet, that's fine. That's great. I like that. However, if you can go for this next step in great as something, like, top, top level, get yourself a bit of sourdough, yeah? Maybe it's sort of like a chili jam or some form of, like, you know, condiment just to glisten it on its way.

A bit of mature cheddar, then Job's, you're toasting it in a pan, yeah? Take the time, toast it properly. It takes a bit of time, doesn't it? It takes time. But it's worth it. Garlic butter. Oh, oh. Garlic and her butter, I found to be the real kicker.

And you do that, you dunk it in your soup, and it's just a winner. Do you know how many times he sent me a picture of like a bowl of soup with a toastie? And he cuts the, he'll put the bowl in, then he'll cut the toastie it, like, you know, like an angle. And then he'll, like, put them on top of each other as if it's like, you know, Michelin-Star presentation. So it sounds like Michelin Star Soup, I've got to be honest. I need a bowl of this. That's just soup mock, in it? A. F.A. Cup goes, has soup been the secret to success?

Soup has not been secret to success. The secret to success has been homemade pasta sauce and meatballs. Nice. Oh yeah, I make my pasta sauce from scratch. It takes about two hours. Oh, wow. Fair play. I'm definitely out of a jar or a tin. Oh, no, no, no.

You can't do that. Are you a jar man? Can't do that. Yeah, shortcut, Sid, mate. No, no, no. They've got some good stuff nowadays you can get in the jar. It's too much effort otherwise No, it is

It is effort but it's worth the effort So go chopped tomatoes Can tomatoes because I cannot be Bothered with the whole cooking Of the fresh tomatoes If I'm being honest So canned tomatoes Fresh basil

Garlic, salt pepper Sugar, red wine Sugar Yeah it takes the acidity away from the tomatoes Mate We got a like Master Chef Don't they call it Sunday sauce? We'd talk about what programs we'd go on.

I think Lyle's the next up for Master Chef, mate. No, I want to go on Traders. Whoa. Do you know what? I would love to see you on the Traders. I mean Traders is one of the, if not the best TV show, since the Inbetweeners. You reckon? Yeah. There's been better in between.

People just do nothing. Available in the iPower. Yeah, but... This country, also available on the iPower. But, like, I'm talking the best. Inbetweeners for me in the era, we grew. up in-betweeners was the best TV program on TV and for me, since

that, Traders is the best. If you were an in-betweener, who'd you be? Probably Jay. At least you're honest. At least you're honest. You know what, fair. I'll take that. I'll take that.

Just some headlines in the FA cut four non-league sides, knocked out EFL opposition. Gated, beating Wimbledon, Carlisle at Redding. Late, late show for Carlisle. Borenwood beating Crawley and Brackley beating Knott's County Jack. Will Shes Luton survived a scared squeezing pass

Forest Green Rovers 4-3. And the Mouldon and Tiptree team missed out on a trip to Dubai as they lost at Port Vow. The second round draw means that two sides from the 60 are guaranteed to make the third round. It's Slough-Mackersfield

and Chelmsford versus Western Supermare. The draw has opened up for more Lyle Taylor goals and a potential Premier League opponent in round three? we have to get through that game before looking any further forward but it gives us a great opportunity and I'm sure Western are looking at it the same way

it's at home for us so hopefully we'll have a bigger following than we did for the Braintree game and who knows what can possibly happen you don't want to be schlepping to Western Super Mary either do you well we've done it it was the second game of the season I was still injured and I think it was a yeah it was a nil-nil draw so we've already played them

but they are absolutely flying I think they're second in the league and they haven't lost many games this season so it's not going to be an easy game but it's a cup game and cup games do strange things to people anything is possible let's go back to league action

it wouldn't be a week in the NFL this time of year without some managerial movement will still sack by Southampton after just five months in charge two wins in 13 championship games three points above the relegation places I mean I would say it hasn't worked out but this has been very bad Joby

yeah it has I think it's one of these situations that I think if you just look at the the facts in terms of wins which is obviously nowhere near good enough only two so far this season and obviously the results I think clearly it hasn't worked I think sometimes you do have to do a little bit of digging

and I've watched Southampton on a number of occasions. I think for the first sort of 10 games or so, I felt he was unlucky in the sense of they created some really big chances in games and just weren't able to take them and, you know, fine, fine margins. We speak about that a lot in the game and I think you can only sort of go so far with that though. And again, we live in a world of data and XG. I'm not a massive fan of it. I've got to be honest.

But I think consistently when you are producing the amount of opportunities they are and not taking them. I think as a coach, you've got a little bit of a leg to stand on and say, look, I can't actually physically go out there and stick the ball in the back of the net for you, boys. And compounded with that, they were conceding some really poor goals, individual errors. I think the last two or three games has been a slight change, lack of energy, a bit of a, I think, from a fan's perspective, lack of effort at times, which is something that clearly the manager is going to have to then take the stick for.

But I also think from an ownership point of view, there's questions to ask as well as so. Of course, in terms of performances and results and where they are in the table, not surprised, but I think there's a bigger picture at play here. Jobs, Will Still was really, really highly thought of across England, really, over the last few years when you see when he was in France and he's coaching bilingually through sessions

and it seemed like the buy-in from the players was incredible when he was in France and those training videos were posted on social media, especially, but where does a Southampton go from here? Because we're talking about a massive institution in football, massive on the South Coast and in the geography of football. Where do they go from here? Can I jump in, Jobes, before you answer that and say,

in 51 games, 51 league games, they've won four. Oh no, it's shocking, isn't it? This isn't, and with the greatest respect to Will still, this is one of those jobs which needs a full on gut out back to brick culture overhaul I just wonder if you needed someone

experience to come in a bit of a personality as well because having interviewed him a first a few times I wasn't too enamoured by his personality I just didn't think he he was the kind of person who's going there sent the Southampton fans right

I'm going to give you something galvanise let's turn this club around together, let's go for it. He didn't seem like a project manager. He seemed like someone who was coming in. It was a purely philosophy and football-driven decision. And that's what Sport Republic have gone for. And we learned that with Russell Martin and whatnot.

But it felt like it needed someone a bigger personality. And again, I say that with a great respectable still. A bigger personality to go in, grab it and say, you have been losing for so long. I'm going to sort this out. We're together. let's march on as they say that's their catchphrase as well

we're going to go and do this and unfortunately it feels like it's been so single track road in terms of on the football side and ingraining a football philosophy that the actual PR nature of the job and endearing yourself to support us

and just giving it some has been lost completely. Jobs Yeah listen I've had a bit of time with Will and I've got to say I think he speaks really well. I think he's very honest. I think he's very transparent. Maybe sometimes as a, when I say a young coach, but in experience

in this country, I think things get blown up at times. Ultimately, what gets you buying with fans is winning football games and he hasn't won enough. I think that's obviously very, very clear for everybody to see. I wouldn't necessarily say it was a lack of personality as I really wouldn't. I mean,

clearly the players haven't been able to deliver what he wanted them to. Who is the manager these days that is a massive personality that's tactically and, you know, technically really, really savvy. Ian Holloway. Oh, God, there you go. Ian Holloway. No, no, no, no, in all seriousness, I think he's got a point.

No. But look at Swindon. Look at Swindon. I know it's a different league. And I know things are different in the championship now to what they are in league too. But you're talking about a personality that has ability in coaching, that has the experience to be able to galvanise a team. and a fan base.

Lyle. What? Come on. Come on. What? But, Jobs, we've got, we've gone away from... I've got a huge amount of respect for Ian Holloway. The career he's had, what he's doing now.

I'm not questioning. What I am questioned is that type of character, because you know, you've been around. Lads like, in this day and age, he walks into a dressing room and some of the thing he's going to be asking him to do, even some of the way that he talks. They do not take that on board these days. They didn't take it with Will. No, I know. I'm not saying they did in a sense of like...

So if they don't take it with like a, you know, like a... Well, they take it with Nathan Jones. I think right now, mate, Jorich. Well, this is what I'm saying, no. So where is the magic manager out there? When is it going to be, are the players doing their jobs? And I think for Southampton, they haven't. And again, of course it's the manager's job to do that.

In terms of recruitment, these are all factors in whether a manager is successful, whether he's the most experienced or not. You know, they left the window till the last minute. Everybody knew, Tyler Diblin's going. Fernandez is going, he's having to deal with that day in, day out. Our player is going to be playing. He's playing Fernandez. Everyone knows he's going.

So you've got other lads in the squad that are going, hang on a minute. I'm training. I'm trying to buy into the new manager. Everything you're asking me to do. And I can't get a game because the guy that we all know is going to be out the door in two weeks, three weeks for whatever it ended up being. Then right at the end of the window, they go and go, right, actually we've got a bit of money in which we knew was coming, by the way.

And now we'll go and get a couple of players that might help us. A couple of lads they've signed. Damien Down's a striker. they're going to get unproven players from the German second division, you know, and to come in and be, you know, players that are going to go and win you a league. It doesn't add up as that. But do you know what, Joby? And I was thinking about this.

I was really thinking about this last night. And I was just thinking about how football has evolved. And I want to use an analogy, which is, Lyle, you like your cars. If you went out and bought a 1990, sort of like, you know, Merck 560 SL, yeah, just for argument's sake. And a pipe went. on it. You know how to fix it. You'll go, you buy the pipe, you unbolt

the old one, you stick the new one in, job done, go away. Buy a car today. Yeah? You are going through a rigmarole of computers and connections and that and that and that. And what I'm trying to say is, there are so many moving parts to a football club right now.

But, but no matter the issues, it always feels like the head coach is the four guy. When in reality, as with Southampton and with Norwich City and many other clubs right now there are people above the head coach that are making decisions

that's my point as where I understand I understand but there's people above the head coach who are making decisions where they should be questioned as well they should fully be questioned and I do not think this is sorry to jump it but this decision and though he's been having a nightmare

results wise but it's quite ironic it comes after loud chanting for sports republic out and again you're seeing the same at norwich city now of course those people above have to take responsibility and accountability but you're not going to go and get rid of a director of football and head of recruitment and all this stuff it's the manager who obviously unfortunately for managers they get when it's going well when it's going well in this model when southampton are playing free flowing football won 25 games in around the russell martin life is good the beer is cold it's amazing norwich city under under Stuart Weber when they've got

Buendia and they've got Max Arens and everyone's playing beautifully. Jamal Lewis on the left, Ben Godfrey at the back, life is good, the beer is cold, Dealey is happy. But now the tables are turned and the rot is in and you know you've made money off of selling those players

and the players you sign and you're trying to go again. There's issues and ultimately it's the manager who always pays or the head coach you always pays. Southampton will go again. They'll probably go and get them. themselves another head coach, will we be in this same position in a few months' time with them, where they're going to struggle to get out of the championship? Well, who knows? They might

go on a massive charge and a surgeon. It might work. It feels like every appointment head coach level, when you've got this humongous footballing structure, and I don't know where it's come from, but this structure comes in, no matter who's making the decisions. And, Lyle, you know, you can tell us about it. I can, I know about things behind the scenes where, you know, Managers want a player or they want a bit of kit or they want some form of data analysis or they want X or Y or Z and they have to go as a technical director

and the director of football and the MD's got an assistant from X, Y, Z who's worked at La Masia and he's coming in and he's making decisions. There is so much process and red tape and rigmarole but ultimately the head coach is always the full guy. But the head coach hasn't signed half of the players because now the players are signed by the model

and by the sporting director We need to go back to that old school model We need managers We need to stop with this head coach nonsense And we need to have managers again Because managers manage men In our game in football The manager manages his players

He wants to sign the players To play the system that he knows That will garner him success But we don't We now as footballers We're signed by sporting directors and by head scouts or chief scouts or whatever you want to call them

and this person and that person, the manager walks in and goes, I don't really fancy you. I really wanted a target man instead of somebody who wants to drop in and play as a link player as a 10. We need to get away from this modern view of football whereby there are so many people

in the process of signing footballers. Why can't we just have a manager who signs the players that he feels are best to suit his system and we have success that way. It worked in the olden days. We called him the olden days. It was only 10, 12 years ago.

Why can't we go back to that? Well, it's not going to go back to that. We're way far down the road for that, unfortunately. And there's obviously some very valid points and I agree with many of them. I think my thing, again, having been involved in it and coached and did a little bit of managing

and seeing that side of the game, for me it's about alignment. It's as simple as that. And I think the best clubs get it right because they will feed into a manager. Like you said, if we'll still say, look, I need a number nine, and let's take that into account

as a prime example of some of their struggles. Ross Stewart, injury problems, comes back, gets a cut for the system and the way that he wants to play, he would be absolutely ideal. Now, everybody knows Ross Stewart's had injury problems. Now, for me, if I'm Southampton,

I'm saying, right, we need someone very similar who's got experience of the level. We've obviously got the budget to do it, just in case he doesn't. At the worst case, he'll push him. Now, we've got two proper ones. they go out and get an untried, untested young kid

who isn't cut out for it at this point in time. Not going to say he's not going to go and be a player and can develop, but he's not ready for today, for now. And I think that is the problem that managers have where they're having to deal with squads and recruitment, like Lyle said, that aren't necessarily the ones they want. Granted, that being said, he has to get more out of this group of players because where they are with the squad they've got is unacceptable.

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charting for Leigham Manning to be sacked. Let's hear from the Norwich boss. Tied of saying the same things, O'Malley, one of those, just scratching my head. Just totally scratching my head, I think, in terms of, there's bits that happen second half that I haven't seen on a football pitch

at this level. When I was in league, I haven't seen it. And again, you scratch your head because you wonder where those decisions come from and what the lads are thinking. So, yeah, it's one else. You hear Ben Napa taking some abuse from the crowd, yourself, the players, it can't be nice.

How much more of it can you take? Well, keep fine to level wise. It's the same message. And like I say, here, yeah, clearly there's a lot that's not right that needs to change. What do you mean? What do you think is wrong? Lots of things.

Lots of things, which, yeah, we have to look in-house. And emotion. People panic, people go under. And unfortunately, we've got too many that do that. You went straight down the tunnel at full time, didn't you? What was the thinking there? Yeah, I apologise to the fans on that one. It's not good for me.

I just in terms of where things are at, not trying to antagonise people, I think, in terms of that. But, yeah, I'm hurting. I think I'm hurting. It's not the right thing to do, so I do apologize to everybody from that. But, yeah. And in terms of the protests afterwards,

you've lost all your home games this season. How much sympathy do you have for the supporters? Yeah, a huge amount. not been good enough. Thank you. Thank you. And Joe, be listening to that, you can see he's hurting. He's a local boy. He loves that football club dearly.

He's an emotional man as well. He's someone who you can read quite easily in Manning. And with everything that's been going on with him over the past year or so, you can just see how much this is affecting him. You can, but I've got to be honest. And I know it's tough when you're there and you're losing games. and the crowd are on top of you. Like, you've got a job, you've got a responsibility to stick your chest out as, you know,

and it's a relatively new appointment, you know, and I know it hasn't been great, but it's still early in the season. And if I'm a fan or even a player listening to that after, I'm a little bit worried if I'm really being honest that, you know, is he really the guy who's going to turn this round for us? Is he going to, you know, be able to go and front up a group of fans and stick his chest out and take it on the chin, you know, and acknowledge them and then go back in that dressing room.

and tell the players whatever they need to hear because he's saying it out publicly it's not good enough and the things that we're doing your job is to sort that out and listen he might know that things aren't great behind the scenes or he hasn't been helped as much with recruitment which again valid points but as a coach as a manager

all you control is that dressing room and what happens on a training pitch and you know for me here in that interview it almost feels as though he feels it's not possible to turn it around He's been given the vote of confidence. Mark Atanasio, the owner, went on to BBC Radio Norfolk, Canary call phone in, I'd listen to it. He's said relegation is not an option, but that manning and sporting director Ben Napa deserved more time. Is that a bit of a blunder from the owner?

Because they keep losing, Lyle. He's back the manager and said that, you know, he's his man and he wants him to continue. But that relegation is not an option. Well, they're in relegation form. they are in relegation form and the fans won't take too kindly to I suppose the manager effectively that they have now turned on

being given what looks like a solid voter confidence not the old dreaded one it makes for a really difficult situation because if results continue as they have been the fans then turn on the ownership and it just becomes really messy it already is isn't it

I mean their home form I think sums that But what can you do as the ownership? Unless you're going to relieve the manager of his job, and I'm not saying I'm an advocate of that, but unless you're going to relieve the manager of his job, you kind of have to say something to let the fans know where your mind is at as the ownership. But if you do say something,

it's going to potentially be taken badly or not well received by the fans. So what do you do? Do you say nothing if you've got nothing nice to say? would you not want your manager after coming out publicly backing him which I don't think is a bad move in terms of if he is the guy and you think he's going to be the one to turn it around

and my point is I don't see Manning coming out he should use that himself and say look the owner's back me you know we very much understand what we're not performing but we really believe we can turn this around you know no results at the moment are not good the groups devoid of whatever you think the excuses or the reasons are behind it but just give me a little bit of something that even

pay the faith of the owner to say that he's come out and bat me and I'm going to be the one to turn it around. I didn't get any of that from that interview. At least make it look like you've got an intent to turn it around and I think it makes the owner's statement look less silly because at the moment it looks like the owner's backing him but he's not backing himself. But the fans have already had enough.

The fans have already had enough. So it just seems like empty words. So I don't think there's anything that you can do that is right. So if he stays quiet, then what? Well, then it sounds like he's accepted defeat. But if he says the wrong thing like you're saying, he's said, then it's defeatist. If he comes out

The wrong thing, it's the tone, Lyle man. If he comes out swinging, if he comes out swinging, everyone goes, all right, yeah, but we still think you're not the man for the job. So what difference does it make? Because it gives me maybe a little bit of belief, again, whether I'm a player, whether, this is his demeanour publicly. What's he going to be like

in the dressing room behind closed doors? Is he inspiring those players? Is he, those players really in there going, oh, yeah, this guy's going to turn it around for us, or have they already given up? I don't think the players, whatever he says, I don't think they really care. He's turned around and said that the players panicked, they go under, he's

talked about them in the press quite a bit. So you're saying they're done with him then, that's basically what you're saying. Have you seen the way they play? Well, again, then that's something that ownerships need to be aware of, whether you're speaking to senior pros, I've been captain at teams, I've had owners phone me up, like what's the situation here?

Are the lads behind the manager? Do we need to make a decision? So, again, if you're talking about alignment and it being completely off, if you've got an owner coming out and saying you're back in a manager, when you're saying that the players have already downed tools on him, and he's not even confidently he can turn around. That's where I can get. I don't, I don't think the alignment's been on at that football club for a while. Mark Atanasio came out and told Canary call that selling Marcelino Nunes tips, which a 10 million

pound, was a PR own goal. But again, as an owner, how are you not having any say or knowledge or yes or no that that's going to happen? And then I found that absolutely mindless. football structure in place. You're trusting the people that you're paying big wages to. He's trusted Ben Napa. Ben Napa has signed these players. I mean, the recruitment is mad in terms of the numbers they're bringing in. Obviously, they're selling players, and you're selling players like Johnny Rope or Sites.

And Marcellino, they are three big players. I know Johnny Rose being gone for a while, but, you know, completing a permanent move to Marseille. But the replacements and the style of football, it's just a weird. watch, a really weird watch. You see them do some really strange things on the pitch as well. And I don't understand. Look, those fans, and I've always maintained this, and I've said this all the time,

under Farca and Weber were spoiled because they had two really good players at every position. You used to think about, you know, the years they were smashing teams up? They weren't beating teams droves. In the champ. Yes. They were smashing teams up in the championship,

and they did it every week. Week in week out. under Farca and Weber. The problem is, when you're selling a Buendia, when, you know, you're cutting out players, when Timu Puki eventually goes,

mate, my days are getting in behind are gone, I need to move on as well. Where are the replacements? Where are the replacements for the entire spine of that team? That's, again, been the problem. Go on. No, no, no, I'm with you.

But what I'm saying is, is that it's been like that for ages. You've had such a good time. And again, we talked about Southampton earlier on. And about needing a full-on back-to-brick restructure, that is what it is. It just feels like it needs it. But then you keep seeing a club in Norwich

that keep getting rid of their senior players who run your dressing room, which is also a problem in football nowadays. Anel Hernandez, okay, you might say he's not necessarily good enough for what we want to do, but he's been there for donkey's years and he is your connection between the football club and the fans.

you've got players like Ben Gibson you're senior players who have been got rid of over these years if you lose the connection between the fans and the dressing room and you normally get that unless you have a player who comes in and sets the world alike

if you lose the connection between the fans and the dressing room things start going south if you then sell your best player to the only club in the country that you can't sell your best player to you are you that's a disaster The easiest thing to do is to get rid of the manager.

The problem people think is that is always the answer. And it isn't. There's a lot more to Norwich. There's a lot more to Southampton than just who is that man standing on the touchline. And I think that is where the questions need to be asked, not just to Liam Manning, but above him, Ben Napa. And now to the owner having all this come out, you not need to get on the same page and get this situation sorted out. January, for me, if Liam Manning says, right, one, two, three players are going to help us. you've got to go and back him.

Otherwise, get rid of him now. Does he last for January? Impossible. I don't see you lost until December from being completely honest with the way things are. Give him this week. A couple more defeats. I can't see him being there

after the international break. Okay. We're still sculpting and perfecting our EFL Ultimate All-Time 11 last week. We took Stephen Sheffield suggestion and agreed to put Billy Sharp up front ahead of Alexander Mitrovich. Chris from Swansea, who's being in touch,

Chen, I agree Mitrovich was only a one season one to wait for this, Joe, David Nugent has got to be in a shout as well in the forward line. What are you thinking?

Great shout for an EFL, bona fide EFL legend in David Nugent. First of all, thanks for agreeing about Mitrovich. Felt like a bit of a lonely road that I was walking with that one at times. So nice to get a little bit of backup there.

Yeah, listen, I think I'd have Nugent in the squad 100% goal scorer, poacher, always one of those that just didn't do a lot in games and then he just pitch up and stick one in on the goal line which kind of became a bit of a trademark of his, isn't it? He was very much in the mould of like a Defoe number nine

when it was fashionable to play a two, a big man, little man. He was one of those and a great goal scorer. He's got 100% record scoring for England, David Nugent. Steve McCarran called him up. He scored as a sub against Andorra. capped in a gold bowed shot from Jermaine DeFoe. And J.D. said he was raging afterwards.

Let's have a listen to it. Do you know what? That was mad, you know? But then, you know the funny thing about it? I thought, after, I thought, do you know what? Would I have done that? It was his first goal, his first game. So I can sort of like understand it.

The way it happened, it was weird, though, because this is typical me. So anyway, so I've gone through, hit the shot. And it's sort of like going over the line. He just come from nowhere and kicked it in. I thought, wow. Like, it was going in. So anyway, so he's run off celebrating. So I'm in my send to the goalkeeper.

They're a goalkeeper, by the way. I said, oh, is it over the line? He said, yeah, yeah, yeah, so cool, no problem, my goal. But I'm fuming. Because I thought, what's he doing that for? Like, do I mean, I made this run, stayed on side, hit the shot. It's gone in. It's just like, anyway.

So the boys, they know I love goals and all that sort of stuff. They're winding me up, as you can imagine, the change room, blah, blah, blah, blah. I knew just that cool. He's laughing about it, but I'm raging. And got on a bus. Right, he's called me. So at this point, I've probably calmed down a little bit. Right.

it's called me, whine me up even more. You know what he's like on the phone, screaming on the phone? No, I can't believe it. What's he doing? Like all this sort of, right is going mad on the phone.

So at this point, I've come off the phone. My mum's called me. So I'm fuming. Don't want to speak to anyone. And I just, I just thought, actually,

you know what? I wouldn't do that. Because it's like, you understand your first game and all that sort of stuff and that. But you're playing more. You're probably get more caps anyway.

Yeah, yeah. But it was, yeah, it was mad. But the baner after that, man, even when I got back to Spurs and that and the boys were just like, walks in and changing, everyone's laughing and I was like, JD, I get it.

Like, it was mad. You can catch Jermaine Defoe on the Defoe and Deanie Football First podcast on BBC Sounds. David Nugent's 11 minute national team career, the shortest of any player who has scored for

the three lines. Does he though, Lyle, getting over, Jamie Vardy, Ricky Lambert or Billy Sharp? I don't, I don't believe so. I don't think he can I'm going to have to go against Joby on this one because I know Joby's going to say he does No no no no no no that's not my shout

mate I'm going to stick with my three that I've got up front of the right already Nuge can get a little spot on the bench mate Just because Jermaine Defoe's not happy with him for Nick and It's so big Yeah It's so big I mean that

Yeah It'd be like COVID No fans in the stand just the bench Players It's all like scattered around the stand Imagine Imagine calling a sub from the top tip. Hey, come back.

You won't have to do a warm-up. Yeah, exactly. Get him down the stairs. Send us your suggestions for our EFL Artem 11. Message or voice notes on WhatsApp 0-8,000, 289-9-3-6-9. Or if you just want to be part of Jobi's on my own club, you can get in touch with us there as well. Let's finish with this.

72-plus, 72-minus on the Football Daily. Yeah, it's time for Jobi's best and worst moments of the week across the NFL. Over to you, pal. Well, I'm going to start with my 72 minus, and it comes from Shefford United against Derby. 1-0 down at home. Second half kicks off. You want a big, big start.

The fans are full, full voice, getting their ramp from going, and it doesn't start the way they want. Sidi Peck with a brilliant throughball, but at the wrong end of the pitch, sets Derby's Colton Morris through on goal. Let's have it. Second half is underway here at Bramol Lane.

It's time to hand over to your commentary team. with Malcolm Christie and Ed Dawes. Thank you, Dom. Yep, we're underway. As United have possession, a back pass, and Carlton Morris is away. Morris threw on goal. Can he double up?

Morris shoots. And Morris scores. 18 seconds of the second half gone. And Carlton Morris is presented with a gift. Joby, you ever been to the press room at Bramall Lane? I don't think I have, actually. Okay. Now, the walk from the press room to Bramall Lane,

at Bramol Lane to the commentary position. It's a bit of a rigmarole. You've got to come down some stairs, right along the concourse, all the way down to the middle, turn left through the little gap thing, see the pitch, turn back on yourself,

and go up these stairs. Ed Dawes, our colleague, at BBC Radio Derby, big listen to Scently 2 Plus. I salute you, because if you went down for a halftime cup of tea, you would have been blowing, getting up those stairs,

and you have to dodge all the fans and whatnot, bit wobbly as well. Well done, Ed Dawes from BBC Radio Derby on that one. And Carter Morris are being sharp. Derby winning that one, 3-1. Cotton-Morris' first hat-trick of his career. Can't believe that. Jobes, let's have you 72-plus. For my 72-plus, I'm going to have to go against my former team, Redding.

I'm going with Regan Linney of Lon League Carlyle with an FA Cup hat-trick. Carlyle were 2-0 down going into added time, but Linney's goals came in the 93rd and 98. minute to take it to extra time and then he steps up and gets the winning goal. Quite the comeback and I think he was a little bit too tired by the time we did an interview on match of the day. Here it is. To be honest I'm buzzing, I'm still buzzing from yesterday. It was a special three points. I mean, rumoured

crumbled here. No, it was a cup game. That's right. It was the FA Cup. Don't worry. It's live television. Don't you worry about it. We all want to know where's the match ball? Because if we'd scored a hat-trick in the cup in dramatic circumstances, we'd have it ready to show the viewers on match in the day. Where is it?

I'm going to be honest, it's still in my car. Could be one for the old fantasy NFL next season, Regan. And then if Carlisle get promoted, Jobie? Well, listen, he's obviously banging goals in, and he? So I think you could probably do

with not just a striker, but just some players in your team. I think he went out with three players this week. A bit of sickness in camp this week. They're not been on the old lemon, ginger and whiskey. No, no, no, no. How'd you get on this week? I think that was okay.

It's been a quiet one. We've got a double game week, haven't we, for the champ, so I'm expecting some performances this week. I was very, very average in the first part and hoping to get some better performances. Bobby Thomas going down, injured didn't help me, so I was without a centre off. But, yeah, we'll hope for a bit.

And then he mocks my sickness in Camp La. Yeah, not needed. Unnecessary. Not needed. Our league code is 72 EFL pod. That's number seven. The number two EFL pod. Joby, where are you this week?

Good question. Where am I? I'm doing Redding against Stevenage, two of my former clubs. Actually, new manager. Liam Richardson's gone in, so that would be an interesting. Did Joe, you make enough derby? He said nobody ever. But, yeah, looking forward to it.

I just did. It's going to buy your plaque and everything. Let me get your cake. Well, I think Redding or in. I think that would be a proper Mac and off. Weekend? The club's I spent my most time. No, off my birthday this weekend, actually.

So I'm expecting your card in the post. 9th of November. I've stopped counting these days. Mid-40s, I mean, would you believe it? Congratulations. I'm QPR tonight. Mill Saturday. It's going to be good.

I'm looking forward to it. Proper London, London games. Hey, you know me. You know me. I'm looking forward to it. Not leaving the M-25 as well. which is great. Thank you, Lyle, as well.

Thank you for having me. Hampton and Richmond Borough at home. This weekend, yeah. It'll be all right for that? Yes. Yeah, lovely. Remember to send us your all-time Ultimate EFL 11 suggestions on WhatsApp 0-8,000, 289, 3669,

or some birthday shout-out for Jobi. That is it for this episode of the Football Daily. 72 plus will be back next week with a special episode. Catch you then. Do we have to sing him happy birthday now? Absolutely not. I'm the type to get absolutely cringed out by that. I hate that stuff.

In three, two one. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to Joel. Happy birthday to you. Thank you very much. It's not every day your boy turns 50. No, it's not.

It's not. 50 is a large, I mean, he's looking good as well. He's looking good. Bring him a cake next week. Don't yo-yo to him. I won't. Five live sports.

Go to the end show touchdown. NFL. Touchdown, Philadelphia. Great play design. I think you just have to go out there and be the best that you can be. We're going to go out there and lay it all in the line. A 12-yard touchdown run. 105 yards on the return.

Where speed, power, and skill collard. And the Eagles have beaten the chiefs convincingly in Super Bowl 59. Five lights for NFL. Listen on BBC Sounds.