Football Daily - 72+ EFL Pod: Wilder’s wild moment & Cotterill back at Cheltenham

Episode Date: October 1, 2025

Aaron Paul, Jobi McAnuff & Phil Brown talk Chris Wilder & Steve Cotterill. They chat on-pitch team talks with Phil up to his old tricks at Peterborough Sports in the National League North. What about Wilder’s wild moment as he was sent off vs Southampton? Cotterill returns to the EFL’s bottom club Cheltenham, and our Ultimate All-Time EFL XI is complete but if you can improve it, send your suggestions to us on WhatsApp to 08000 289 369.02:15 Phil Brown giving on-pitch team talk again 15:45 Footballers as chocolate bars 19:45 Chris Wilder sent off as Southampton beat Sheff Utd 24:15 Steve Cotterill returns to bottom club Cheltenham 28:05 How do we solve a problem like Shrewsbury Town? 32:45 Our Ultimate All-Time EFL XI is complete 38:00 Walker worldies & a Maja miss in 72PLUS 72MINUS5 Live / BBC Sounds UEFA Champions League commentaries: Wed 1 Oct 1745 Union Saint-Gilloise v Newcastle on Sports Extra, Wed 1 Oct 2000 Monaco v Man City.

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Philip Brown and Phil, the 72 plus job club strikes again. Jobby's your right arm, I must be your left, is that right? Yeah, something like that. Well, you are until you leave us all the time, Phil. We're trying to keep you close, but you just be some slack, gentlemen. You know I love management, but you know all of you guys as well. Phil, how are we? I'm good, I'm good, I'm back on the training ground.

I'm getting a little bit of a tune out with one or two players, which is quite pleasing, but it's results. You know what it's like, it's all about results, and when you cross that white lane, you've done your work during the week. The only downside to it in Jubby, you'll understand me here, it's part-time, and I really struggle with not being able to get into people's ribs on a Monday morning after a bad result, say, for instance, I've only got till Tuesday evening

and it's a long time you finish the game at 5 o'clock on a Saturday and you're not facing the players until 6, 6.30 on a Tuesday night it's a long time job to get your message over and it's hanging over me like a bad smell more than anything else it's terrible. Is there any ways around that

these days? Obviously with let's say the advancement of technology whether it's what's that groups, whether it's the analysis you can sort of fire over or do you feel like you have to have that group there in a building to try and get those sort of messages across because I think that is one of the challenges probably people away from the game don't quite see.

There's nothing greater than the whites of your eyes. I love being in the studio with you guys because you can feel energy. I don't care when anybody says, you know, you can't measure it and stuff like that, but we're in the same studio together. We're bouncing off each other. And that is the same in a changing room.

It's the same any way you go if you have physical contact with somebody. I-to-I, and they can see how you are. and how you're talking. My body language never tells lies, can't tell lies. I'm just that way inclined, you know, and I think that's so important. Why did I see a picture of you sitting footballers down on a pitch again?

Ah, listen, it was after the game on Saturday, and I've just explained to you, I can't bring them in on a Sunday, I can't bring them in on a Monday, they're part-time, the contracts are written. So I'm trying to get a message across to them, and I just wanted to walk away from all the noise, that was in the changing room or in and around the change room having been beaten 4-1

by a team in a lower division it was in the cup game so you get drawn against teams like that but they're flying high, they're top it was Harborough Town so I walked them up to the top end of the pitch and just had a conversation with them and it was quite simple

it wasn't in front of 35,000 which it was at Man City it wasn't trying to emulate anything like that it was just trying to get a private message across to a group of players and as a Sunday league player that's what used to happen to me at half time you know your manager used to speak

in a environment like that in the middle of the pitch you'd just be sitting down having a cup of tea or an orange or something like that at half time Phil how do you think players react to that these days because we saw a situation with Ruben Sayers up at Sheffield United

and the very public nature and I get there's a difference in terms of where you're at and Bramwell Lane for example but I don't feel in this age players respond to that very well. I think they see it as almost you're making a point of digging them out in front of other people, whether there's 100 people or 100,000, right?

And I just feel there's a different mentality. So just interested to get your perspective on how you feel those players took it at the time and we'll take it moving forward. From an individual perspective, I don't know, Jobes. I don't know how it would affect you compared to, say, for instance, Aaron or a younger player or whatever. I don't know, but I'm getting the vibe back that they quite enjoy the way I'm approaching the whole non-league or part-time basis.

Do you think that's because your demeanour as well, the way you talk, and I want to sort of link this to something that we've seen pop up in the EFL this week. Paulo Petalano, the Watford manager, the club posted a video segment of his post-match team tour. I mean, Watford picking up their second win of the season. And Pezalano's gone on and sort of delivered this lecture, Joby, you must have seen it.

and the players don't really look I mean it hasn't really stirred them to go yet you know what we're going to go out and run through brick walls is there an element of you need the personality as well because I've seen managers deliver these things and I don't want to disrespect Petzelan and say it's his command of English

because he speaks English well I think that's a factor but is that a factor as well I think it is again it comes back to that connection actually being able to I suppose master the words that you're saying to have maximum impact is really really important. I've got to be honest, I'm not a fan of the changing room stuff. I really am

not. I think that there should be an area on a match day that is literally sacred that nobody can come into other than that group of players, the staff, you know, the support team and almost anything that gets said in there, you know, stays in there. That for me is your job, you know, to kind of, whether it is after a game to congratulate or not, whether it is at half time to get the group going. I remember, you know, one of my first games at Orioles. they wanted to sort of film it before the game doing my sort of pre-match team tour

and I'm thinking no this is my first opportunity for me to set my stall out put a marker down and I don't care what you say once you know there's a camera in there or audio you are absolutely thinking about that and it does affect the way

that you will deliver that message you're a bit more self-conscious about what you're saying how you're saying it do you reckon Neil Warnock for that documentary they made what in 2004 do you reckon he was acting for the cameras when he was going and giving No, but I think Neil at that point in his career.

No, listen, I think maybe it varies depending on where you are. Let's be honest, Neil Warnock doesn't really care who's around him. He will say what he wants to say, but at that point in time, you know, he was already experienced and, you know, don't get me wrong,

it was a while ago, but I don't think he would have had too many qualms, but he had such control of that football club as well. And again, it's different now with ownership groups and fans getting the reaction that they do. If they see something that they don't like, that gets put out there,

that can sort of start contributing to a narrative around somebody, I mean, you only have to look at the grey and pot of stuff the other day, you know, which I thought was absolutely absurd. And then he's having to feel questions about that. So I just think we're in a different space now with social media and with how many people have an opinion. So for me, I would like to just see an area of the game that is off limits. Jokes, did you have any managers where you come in and you know they're going to go off and one in your like, give it a rest, insert name here? Most of them, I've got to be honest.

But again, I think that's where management's changed. where you have to have more in your locker. I think the old school generation was a bit more of a bite and a bark at halftime or, you know, teacups getting thrown. And you hear it every week. You do start zoning out and switching off. I remember the Italian, we had at Leighton Orient who came in and he couldn't speak English.

So he would be like coming in, absolutely ranting his head off in Italian. Nobody could understand him. He'd go off for about five minutes. And then you'd have a translator go, yeah, the manager wasn't very happy with that. And then you're just sat there going Okay, that's not quite the tone we got from him But listen, I think it's all about the delivery It was, yeah, oh my goodness me

Or Morrow Milanese No, Morrow was actually pretty good And the funniest thing about that was He played for Inter Milan He played with Ronaldo on 9 And he was the director of football at the time And then we'd gone through so many managers By then they ended up getting him to step in

Who wasn't even a manager And I've got to say that season We had four by Christmas. He was the best one we had. You know, he was actually all right. And then we'd go and get rid of him. It was actually Liverani that came in after him, and we kept him for the longest and relegated.

Joby, can I nip in there? You know, when you were doing your first team talk, what planning did you do? What, for the actual talk? For the actual talk. So your prep for the game was on the training ground, I would presume, did you have a coach that worked with you,

or are you doing the coaching? No, no, I had a team with me. So I had an assistant, a goalkeeper coach, who did a lot of the defensive. side of things. Obviously I had Martin Ling, who was great for me as sort of a mentor, I suppose who'd been there, done that. But yeah, I'm super prepared. I've sort of done the old talk in the mirror, right? These are the points I want to hit. These are the things we've been working on. And then just get that delivery right, hopefully. And then the emotion takes over and the adrenaline

and, you know, it was, you know, we won one-nil, away at home. I'd hate to see you angry, Jobes. I'd hate, you know, like, I know what I'm going to get with the Joby McEnough team talk and you know, I'd be sort of like fairly pumped sort of 40, 45% to go out and, you know, go into battle for you. But I'd hate to see you angry, Joby.

Well, you know, I think with my thing and I always found with the managers that I really loved, it was more that sort of disappointment if they sort of dug you out and sort of say you're not at your levels and that's all it sort of took for me. I remember going away to exotise

in my maybe second or third game and we'd had a decent start and we got absolutely mollered 4-0 and I've sort of thought about it. I was going in after the game, go, right, you know, I've just got in here. I've only been doing three games. These are all lads that I knew. I'd played with them. You know, what's the thing here? Do we sort of go, don't worry about it? And I just sort of looked at the performance. We were so far off it, and we were scared, and we were sort of almost in awe

of them for some reason. And I just absolutely lost my rag and sort of tore into a few and just said it wasn't. And I think as a player, you have to take that on board sometimes when it just isn't. And they responded well to it. So listen, I think it's how you feel at the time, but you just can't go around, you know, shouting at people every day anymore. It just doesn't have the same effect. I'd hate to disappoint you, you know. I'd feel, if Joby was angry with me, I can't actually imagine him being angry, but I'd imagine Joby being disappointed with me. It'd really cut me up, Phil. Absolutely. One more on this, Jobb's, you played for Brendan Rogers. Now, there was a real famous documentary that come out in his early, I think it was his first season at Liverpool. It's

called Being Liverpool. But there are a couple of quotes from that documentary that me and my mate quote to each other probably on a weekly basis. The first is when he has an altercation with Rahim Sterling on a pitch when he goes, Sterling. Your attitude needs to change. Your attitude, it was so funny. And then he's like, you'll be on the first

playing back, proper giving it to him. But then he does this speech before Liverpool's opening game in the season where I think they're playing West Brom and he basically goes on about how you can trust no one at the Hawthorne's

I think it was opening day of the season and he's like trust no one and everyone's like in a huddle he's like come in let's get together and he keeps saying nice and date nice and date and I'm like what's he talking about here? The team talking he's like getting people together and he gets everyone in and he's like you can trust no one

and they'll nodded because you can trust your family and you're like what? Trust yourselves. Trust the fans and you're like I thought he just said trust no one like what happened and he's up proper giving it the bigger and they got beat three now. But again, that happens as

and I've been in there, right? I'm a big believer for like big team talks, that sort of getting people pumped up, getting charged for games. And, you know, I've got to say, I loved working with Brendan. I thought he was a brilliant coach. He's a great man manager.

I've got nothing but admiration and respect for him. Again, I think he's one of those that the stuff that goes out to the media can be perceived and has been perceived a different way to really what he actually is. Do you think he put it on? No, Brendan,

is, listen, he is genuine, he's top. Again, there's not a lot of coaches, managers that I've worked with that can tick every box of be a good man manager, you know, get the arm around the shoulder, how's things going at home, you know, how's your misses, how's your kids, you know, and then actually be absolutely brilliant on the training ground as well, get the tough decisions right. He had that balance as a young coach, for sure, was when I worked with him. But again, I've been in changing rooms where you do the whole big sort of, you know, let's get everybody together. Adie Bufroyd was huge on it actually at Watford and he

would pick, it wouldn't have to be a player, it might be a member of staff and we had a guy come in, he was our physio and he was talking about his brother and he's saying about people having each other's backs on the football pitch and that's all I ever hear but my brother's got to go out to Afghanistan and if his mate hasn't got in his back

they're not coming home and it was just one of those speeches that just gets you, forget the football I'm like going out there going right I am charged up for this game, I'm ready to go. So it's about finding the right way to motivate players. You know, I've been on the end of some great team talks. You go out and you get absolutely smashed.

And then you get some people who are a little bit more nervous and just go, right, come on, lads, we're going to win today. And then you go out and win 5-0, do you know what I mean? Joby, I did a bit of work for the BBC when I was out of work. And it was away from football, but it had to do with a player that used to play at Liverpool and he got released and got involved in the drug scene and this, that and other. Anyway, a long story short, and the BBC requested me to go to Liverpool's

training ground. where Brendan Rogers had just took over. And he'd only been there a couple of weeks, and I got invited into his office. I know Brendan from LMA and stuff like that. And he invited me into his office, and he showed me a flip chart of the conversations that he'd had with Stevie Gerard, with Jamie Carriger.

You know, the great players that he had to win over for to win that changing room over, and it was all to do with that man management of the bigger players. Once you've got them, as you well know, once you've got the bigger players, the younger ones or the smaller ones tend to follow on but he got a whole

It's interesting you say that Phil because just on him in particular when he came into Watford I'd obviously been there for a couple of years under 80 and was probably you know it wasn't my best spell certainly not when I look at consistency

of performances and he pulled me it was one of the first couple of days he was in and I hadn't really heard of him much obviously he'd been doing academy football up until that point and at that time I was a fairly senior player

that should be at the top end of the championship and wasn't. And he pulled me in the office and he said, listen, that thing about being disappointed, has, and I didn't even really know him at the time, but he was like, where do you think you are at the moment? You know, what's your level? And I was like, yeah, I'm doing okay. And I didn't even think about what I was saying, really.

I was just like, but that's probably where I was. And he turned around and said, yeah, I think you're right. He said, okay for you at this level. Do you think that's where you need to be? or do you think you should be one of the best players in the league? And I said, it made me sit back and look at really what I was doing, what I was capable of. And he said, until you get back to being one of the best players in the league,

you're not going to be playing. So he dropped me two, three games. And I'll tell you what, man, the impact that had on me, even at that stage of my career, to go out there, you know, nail training, get back to it. I ended up getting back in the team. You know, we had a really good second half of that season under him, and then he ended up taking me to Redding.

And so, you know, it's a real, again, impactful moment for me as a play out. And he took you with them. He took you with them. That's the saying in it straight away. Yeah. So, no, top coach, man. Oh, by the way, Joby, excellent news. My ban from Ashton Gate has been temporary lifted, although they drew one or with Ipswich last night.

Get your messages into us on WhatsApp, 08,000, 289, 369. Last week, we asked you for your footballers as chocolate bar suggestions. This after our Revels chat took us onto how the Mars bar is the Sean Dund. dairy of chocolate as in, you know what you're getting, you want one in your team, but you don't want loads. Joby went straight for flake risted goalkeepers. Andrew's message us from Scarborough.

Hello, guys, as a whole city fan, I thought, oh, I know where this is going. I know exactly where this is going. I thought I'd join in the chocolate bar footballer debate as our beloved Ian Ashby is currently in your EFO all-time Ultimate Team. As a hard man, I'll definitely have Ash as a toblower. Now, Phil Brown,

if you go on now and tell me how Ian Ashby is a great guy and should be in our team blah blah blah blah blah you're done you're cooked this podcast is going to be sponsored by Ian Ashby very very shortly or Tobleron he's got to give us another player as a chocolate well no he goes here we go and another one we all know the dangers of keeping chocolate in the fridge roll back a few years before Ashby joined city I'll give you the fridge chilled Tobelone the one you aren't breaking without a chainsaw the hard as nails Gary Brabbing all the best Andrew Gary Brabid so I've got to come up with a chocolate bar football what would you be Phil

you'd be a Turkish delight Like your mummonaut I'm bucking off from that You'd be a fries Turkish delight Every day of the week Twice on Sundays Anyway Can I fire one in as quickly

Sorry Just because if we're on hard as nails I had a little think about this after And we actually missed the Snickers out And I know Toblerons are chunky and pretty tough But if you're talking about like You know tough chocolate bars I think Snickers's got to be in there

No Toblowns you've got to smash on the table Before you like you know Like Yeah I'm probably thinking about You've got a hit on the table and go from there. I'm saying Snickers is up there.

But I'm just going to throw, from my what for days, Darius Henderson has a very, very tough number nine as a Snickers. So there's my contribution for this week. Stuart, from Orange in New South Wales, Australia, who is, wait for it, a Sunderland and a Wimbledon fan. I mean, no reaction to that, boys? Absolutely. We've got two of them on here, haven't we?

He's a Sondlandland. He's written in from New South Wales, so he can support who he wants. I love that. Aaron, great podcast. Thank you very much, here are a few chocolate bar suggestions. This is just your podcast, is it? Well, yeah, you're a part-time.

I'll leave it to you to decide who best fits these descriptions. Caramello koala, soft in the middle. Or we could get in trouble with that. Who's soft in the middle? Kit Kat likes taking a break. Who's lazy? Flake, crumbles under pressure.

Pepper mint crisp. Never had one. Brittle under pressure. pressure, kind of surprise, melts when the heat is on, or just got something good inside. What about revels? What do you mean? What about rebels? That's where it all started.

Oh, did it? Sorry. Oh, God. Rewained. He's busy. He's back in management. So, he obviously is a part-time. Thank you.

Thank you. He's a part-time. Look, Joby, you're not a fan of goalkeepers. Who crumbles under pressure as a keeper? I'm having that. You're not asking me to name names, I have. producer Nathan has said the whole Peterborough team from the playoffs

against Sheffield Wednesday mate 100%. That's a good start. You know what they are? They're like a chocolate where you pick it up, you take it home, you get home and it's all like split into a million pieces. It's just done. Just what's the point? Mate, I'll tell you what the biggest crumble ever would have been

and we're going back to Ryder Cup to be so dominant on Friday and Saturday and only needing what, two and a half points on Sunday. I mean that would have been up there with the biggest collapses, I think, ever. But it wasn't. No, it wasn't, and it was a brilliant watch in the end, but way, way too close.

But what a weekend of golf, absolutely brilliant. Yeah, I agree with you. I'm with you on that one. Get your suggestions into us on WhatsApp. I'm 8,000, 289-369. This is 72 plus the home of the EFL from Five Live Sport. Now, just quickly into the championship before we hone in on Shrewsbury Town. and Chrissy Wilder sent off at half time

during his side's defeat to Southampton for possibly the most baffling of incidents kicking a ball into the stand and hitting a fan. He went over, he apologised, walked back towards the pitch and, well, he was sent off. Joby, thoughts?

I think he's really unlucky with this. There was no intent whatsoever. We've seen incidents in the past where someone sort of like smashes a ball into it. It was nothing like that. I mean, he's literally had a word with one of his players as a ball sort of rolling towards him.

I'll tell you what, of a strike left for it's caught it beautifully but obviously caught a bit too well it's ended up in the crowd he's immediate reaction summed it all up you know he couldn't believe it goes into the crowd make sure everything's all right i don't know whether it's to do with you know with the managers on the touchline if they kick a ball down the touchline while the game's going on but obviously this was at half time but clearly the referees saw no alternative i thought it's a bit harsh and i just don't think there was any any malice or any harm done um so a bit unlucky with that Jobby, I think, don't you think that's where the referees now?

I mean, don't get me wrong. You're going to say common sense, Phil. I'm not going to say the word's common sense. They're just cutting somebody some slack. You can see he's got to be right behind him there, hasn't he? You've just praised him for his strike. Now, the ball's rolling towards him. It wasn't malice.

There wasn't anything in there. And he's gone straight. His reaction, he's gone straight. It's not like he's gone down the tunnel, and then some stewards pulled him back and say, oh, you're going to have to apologize. He's gone straight across to the kid. Why give him a red card after that?

We're living in a world where I think everyone's so intent on applying every single letter of the law to each incident and there's no sort of little grey area and go, look, yeah, maybe a manager on the touchdown, kicking the ball into the, is normally a red, but there's nothing taken into account of, you know, intent and force and, you know, nothing like that. So, again, for me, it's just way over the top. Wilder didn't speak after the game but his assistant boss Alan Nill did and he said it's frustration about a lot of decisions he's disappointed

and was the first to say sorry wherever the ball landed he did go over and say sorry that was caught on camera from what I read from Sheffield United fans Joby arguably one of their better performances this season so more frustration for their fans yeah listen disappointing result in the end

of course and I think particularly against a team who's going to be up there or wants to be up there come the end of the season. It was a really important result for Southampton. And obviously, Ross Stewart plucking out an absolute worldie, which ended up being the match winner. So it's not going to turn overnight.

Obviously, that was, you know, off the back of a win and a 1-0 win previously. So I think signs of improvement, it's going to take a little while, I think to get into their full flow. But, you know, one thing's for sure. I think they're going to continue that upward trajectory once they settle down. Would you make of Southampton getting their first league win since the opening day, it relieves and alleviates a bit of the immediate pressure on Will still. It's been a long time coming and it must have been a lot of pressure building up on them.

And them Southampton fans are tough breed for to try and convince that they're playing the right kind of football or they're going in the right kind of direction. Yeah, it's been a tough baptism affair, shall we say. A couple of big calls last night, as I've got to say, half time, obviously found themselves behind in the game and, you know, he pulled off Finnazaz and Tom Fellows, which was a big decision. you know, two new signings, big money signings for a young coach at this level, for sure. And the fact they've gone and got the win,

I think it's going to be massive for him because I think if that didn't come off yesterday, there will be a few sort of raised eyebrows around the dressing room, around the fans. You know, is he going to get a good reaction from doing that? And now I think what he's done has just said, listen, if you're not at it, and I'm not signalling out those two players,

you know, in particular, I'm just looking at, you know, the decisions he made yesterday. we're going to get some people on the pitch that can try and get us a win and fortunately for him, it won. By live sport. And what a game of football. It is to kickstart this new WSL season.

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23 years after leaving the club, Cottrell is back. Philip, you must have a Steve Cottrell story along the line. I've got a couple and I've just read his little banter. They've already started him. When you talk about Robbie Savage and you always get a good story out of Robbie Savage. He's already plying his way. You can't play against him because they're not in the same division

but he wants them in the FAA Cup and he wants to smash him off the park and all this kind of stuff's coming out. And I'm thinking myself, they really do respect each other that can tell. But I'm going back to Stevie Cotter when he was at Bristol City and I was interim manager at Bolton Wonders and I needed a place to train.

And we got Bristol City. and I went in to his office on a Friday afternoon. We finished the session. Went in his office. He said, I watched everything. What you're working at, Brownie? What are you trying to achieve? And I'm thinking, I'm trying to win a game of football.

Steve, what do you mean? He said, well, this is the way we win the games. And he went through the whole game plan, the whole game plan of what he was trying to do. We set up first goal kick, we do this, second goal kick, we do that. Third throw in, we're doing this. And I'm thinking, wow, the detail that he was going into.

thinking, what if you don't get a second goal kick? What if you don't get a third? It's just unbelievable. And that was 25 years back. And I'm thinking myself, this guy's got a long way and the game is going to go a long way. And I think he has. I think he's achieved.

I think he's, what, 61, 62 now. And he's going back to the club that he had three very, very successful years. And his first stint as a manager was Cheltenham, wasn't it? It was 23 years ago. I mean, he was in charge of five years, won three promotions, the FA trophy, took him from the southern premier

to the football league. It's the most successful period in Chalternan's history, and the club themselves are turned around and said that he's their most successful manager ever. And I look at it, Jobbson, one of the questions I was going to ask you, how do you lift a team that was beating 7-1 at Grimsby last week? I don't think he needs to.

I think he goes in there, he commands respect instantly, and people go, right, you know what, let's go. If you're not playing for a club legend, who you're playing for? He loves that club, and he will get, will get performances out of him, whether they can sort themselves up for, you know, the rest of the other 36 games to play, I don't know. But I think he'll be right. Listen, it's definitely one for the Romantics, isn't it? It's a fantastic story in terms of where he started and the

success that he had at the football club. I think it's a pretty brave decision for him to potentially go in because, like you said, in terms of that group of players, you know, they have not been performing anywhere near the level. And I think just some of the worrying things that have come out, you know, since Michael Flynn left and, you know, comments about players not tracking back, you know, not competing, not winning jewels. He will not stand for that. Be absolutely sure. You know, that would be the very, very first thing that he goes into and tries to instill in that group of players. And like you say, if it's someone like him, I think there's a good feeling around the appointment. And again, as fans of football clubs, you know,

we want people there that we know love our clubs that are going to do absolutely everything they can to turn things around or keep us going if things are going well. and certainly from that point of view I think there's been a positive reaction to the appointment and I think that's half the battle you know getting everybody on side getting the players to buy into what he wants to do

but it is a big job I'm also a believer, a manager sometimes only as good as that group of players and he's got a big job on his hands to make sure that that team's still in the football league come the end of the season how do we solve a problem like Shrewsbury Town down at the dumps 23rd in league two

second takeover deal has collapsed they look uninspired they look limp they look just they don't look like an NFL outfit Joby and it scares me

it really does for them yeah well listen big big danger of that double relegation and I think the ownership situation clearly is is having an impact but just you know

digging into a little bit of some of the results and performances it's that conceding the first goal Aaron like and again as a coach that's something you'd go in and be like right why are we?

I think in 14 games they've drawn a couple nil-nil in every other game they have conceded the first goal now it's really hard to go the whole game

changes you know teams can sit back a little bit make it more difficult for you so for me that would be the first thing and again you can sort of have

different ways of dealing with that you know as you start in the game on the front fort are you trying to play in the opponent's half as much as you can you know get players

up the pitch and try and pen them in is it concentration from set pieces that again you know has let them down I think in terms of Michael Apton and what he's got to do, that would be the first

portal call from me because it just makes it so much harder to go and get that free points when you're constantly having to chase a game. And you think to yourself, this mentality of conceding that first goal, it is something that is endemic in that changing room, and it's something that you have to change. And if you haven't got a window

open, if you can't still trade, you've got to do it within that group. And that's the difficult part for me, because they are what they are. And you can't wait to get to that transfer window so you can actually start trading. Yeah, but how much money is Roland Wichley can make available to the squad and to a manager?

I think you've got to be clever in your trading when it comes down to it, Aaron, you know there'll be players in that changing room and managers that want them players won't be paying the kind of money that they think they'll have to pay, but they've got to get players out. They've got to take a hit on some of them players,

but they've got to change the personnel. And whoever it is changes the personnel, it's got to be a bigger plan that they've got to be looking at. I think there's enough experience, in that dressing room to get them out of what the situation is at the moment. I think that's the thing I'd be looking at, certainly if I was Michael Appleton, is right, how do I, you know, get a little bit more out of some of the lights?

You know, you got Sam Clucus there, you know, real experience. Don Marquist, who I know he dropped the other day, which was a big decision, and obviously it hasn't paid off for him. We spoke about that. You know, boils in there at the back. So there's enough in there for me to sort of try and turn this around and get themselves going. and he's said it himself, it's not about words, it's about actions. Again, their home form has been absolutely wretched.

No wins since the 1st of February at home. And it just seems to be that sort of feeling around the club from the top with the ownership issues that is now filtering down to the players onto the pitch, into the crowds, who are starting to dwindle a little bit as well. So it just needs something to kickstart it and get them going a little bit. Whilst we're on League 2, we want to send all of our love, our best wishes to our mate.

Gareth Ainsworth, who's having routine heart surgery and is set to be away from the jills for a few weeks. Ainsworth has said it sounds dramatic, but this has all been planned. Get behind Dobbo and the team. They'll be stepping up. I'll be off for a few weeks and then I'll be back. Good luck, Gazelle, mate. We're all behind you.

Absolutely. We love you lots. And do you know, I don't live too far away from Gareth. I have texted him, Phil, and said that I've got a wonderful bedside manner if he needs any assistance. Just on that, as it's like, obviously I think he's had loads of messages, of I sent him one just to wish him good luck and he was more worried about not being able to pop his shirt open

because he might have a little bit of a scar running down his chest and I'm going to have to do the top button up now so I said no no no no that's all in the character mate that is a rock and roll lifestyle so when he gets back shirt still open looking even better than ever I'm sure so good luck guys and wishing you a speedy and full recovery mate absolutely a reminder get your messages into us on WhatsApp 08,289-369

Now last week we were discussing Albert Adoma and his celebrations with a walking stick on the pitch Walsall fan Mark has been in touch He says for the intention of Azar Who's Azar? Albert, I'm joking Albert Adoma let the walking stick From an elderly fan attending the game When Unks returned the stick

He gave the fan his match worn shirt The bloke is a legend he is in Is that it again as well Do you see his goalie other day Another celebration He's gone from the walking stick To the mobility scoot now which I love that. I've not seen that.

You cannot keep a good man down. Very quickly, let's touch on the all-time Ultimate EFL 11, 08,000-289 369 is the number to send your suggestions in for our 72 plus all-time Ultimate EFL 11. Last week we rejected Pompey one season wonder Robert Prozeneckian put

out an appeal for a centre half on the left back this week's suggestion comes from Greg and Peterborough originally from Stockton on Tees. Hello, shout out for the EFL all-time team. George Friend at Left Back, signed for 100,000 from Doncaster 266 appearances

including a promotion to the Premier League universally loved by Barrow fans Love the Pod Aaron Asa Sorry I just

I didn't Okay Just to let you know Greg didn't just say Aaron at the end of Love the Pod I just put that in there just a dramatic effect

to hear what Job was in just complaining What do you reckon? Good signing for our team George Friend I'm saying decent but not quite there. Not for the

legendary status of this team. Wow, I need some good left-backs then, Phil. Go on. I thought he's a solid shout to be fair. I said Andy Dawson, didn't I? Surprise, surprise. Basically, anyone who has a play for a whole I'm going to get in for you.

I'm just thinking about... I'm going to throw a few in for you. So, Ian Hart, who's one of my considerations. Did he play enough EFL football is probably the only question, but he certainly did when I was with him. What more Premier League than championship, yeah? I would say, well, and Champions League as well.

I mean, this guy's career was ridiculous. But one of the best left foot I've ever been privileged to be on a pitch with and played with. Scott Malone, Tommy Spur, Danny Fox. No, I'm just throwing them in. More clubs than Rory, mate. Well, I'm just throwing them in. I actually think George Friend is a decent shout.

I think he's going way back there, Phil. Well, I'm going mid-90s. He started off at Bowled in mid-90s. It's Phil's criteria that he has to have played or coached this player or what. getting the team. Do you know who I'd go for? If we're going to throw in rogue shouts, Mount Murray Wallace,

seven out of ten every week. Seven out of ten going to get in this team. It's a legendary team. I'd need to be nine out of ten. I've been surprised at the sort of dearth top EFL left backs, really. I was actually scratching my head.

I'm going through players that I've played with, players I've played against. Obviously, there's a winger and a right winger to start with. Well, who's the toughest one you've played against? Four-bats-wise. Yeah, I'd say probably, I mean, I tell you what?

Hill, when he got stuck out of the ballback. He'd kick you into the stand, man. Not a bad shot. He sort of could be the left back stroke, centre back, sort of hybrid, yeah, yeah, yeah. Dan from Berry has written in as well, saying suggestion for the 72 plus podcast, ultimate all-time

EFL 11, Tim Ream. Inversatility is being taken into account. He's the ideal choice for left back and centre half. One player of the season for both Baltimore and Fullum, multiple promotions at Craven Cottage's passing range was excellent for a defender and offers the leadership qualities I feel this ultimate 11 needs.

Dan from Barry. And do you know why I'm going to reinforce this one? Because when I was the Fulham reporter for BBC London, I remember Fulham played Bolton in Slavisia Kanavich's he took over for that half season. And they were woeful. And Fulham finished 19th in the championship. And the last person off the pitch at Craven Cottage

because he was playing with his kids, ground's empty. There's no one there. Literally packing down is Tim Ream. And he was walking around the pitch like with his kit and his socks on no boots. and he was just walking around, looking around. And I was, I was sat there, like, going, what is up with him?

Like, why, it's, I know it's been a bad season, what's going on? Yolkanovich had told him that he wasn't in his plans. You are not concreting my plans. You're getting a move out of it, Yorovsky. And Tim Ream was gutted, and look at what he achieved going on. He become a cult hero for the football club. He was involved in, what, two promotions at the championship. He was absolutely magnificent for them.

And I don't know. I like him. Jobes. I like him. Are you trying to get him in at left back, though, or centre half? I don't know. You can stick him driving the bus for all like it. I'd just like Tim Ream. Clint Taylor. I had a hymnal, yeah?

Yeah, I would say so. I think if you're looking for a centre half stroke left back, then I would have Clint Hill ahead of Tim Ream. But if we're still trying to fill a centre half role, then I think Wes Morgan has to be in that bat for. So I'd go with Wes Morgan's centre half and George Friend at left back. I'm not too unhappy about that. Just on Tim Ream, I apologise.

Tim. I discounted one of your promotions. You got promoted thrice. Not twice. What a word. Thrice. Out of the championship. It's looking at our ultimate all-time EFL 11. It is complete. Keeper Casper Schmichael. Graham Alexander. Sol Bamba. Where's Morgan? George Friend. Guys, when I read

the names, can you... Way, like I'm reading a team sheet. Ian Ashby. Hey. Adam Lelana. And again. Peter Whittingham. Yeah, he's fun. Jamie Vardy. Yay. Alexander Mitrovich.

Go, go, go, go. And Ricky Lambert. Ricky Lambert. Now, if you think you can upgrade any of these players, let us know. Message or voice note, us on WhatsApp. 08,000, 289, 369. Bonus points, if you tell me that you love the pod. Just say, Love the Pod, AP, or Aaron or As or whatever you want.

Just discount. Forget Jobie is even part of it. He gets really wound up. It's great. Let's finish with this. 72 plus, 72 minus on the football daily. It's time. Jobie's best and worst moments of the week in the EFL.

Jobes, your 70s, you've lost, please. Yeah, a fantastic result for Grimsby Town, winning 7-1 against Belieger. Cheltenham, Jamie Walker, take a bow, not one, but two absolute worldies. The second one, for me, a goal of the season contender. Brilliant stuff. Let's be having him. Walker, long way out, shot from him. Oh, brilliant.

Jamie Walker finds the top. corner where the spider's sleep. Free kick worked across the park to walk who's been urged on to have another shot. Walker. Clippron, go words! Oh, he's done it again! Jamie Walker! Outside of the right boot, curling it beyond the goalkeeper.

I wanted to commend you on the use of the word, the league of their jokes, but the commentator's view, just can we just do like an internal memo here at Five Live to John? live to John Murray, Ali, Bruce, Bowie and Dennis and the rest of the gang on the commentator's view. Where the Spider's Sleep, that is excellent commentary. I love that. Give that commentator a bacon roll.

Joby, you're 72 minus. Well, I'm normally going for goalkeepers, but that won't be the case today. It's going to be a striker who's bearing the wrath of my 72 minus. It's Josh Maja, a massive opportunity with the score at 1-1 versus Leicester. to go and win the game, three, four yards out. The ball's bounced so invitingly, cannot control it, balloons it over the crossbar, and to make matters worse, a few minutes later

in the dying seconds of the game, they go and concede to finish the game one-one. Let's hear that Madgemiss. Wallace, Lowe, it's football by the goal. Oh, no. Josh Mudgeert with an open goal gaping. Oh, he's put his shirt up. Five yards out.

Five yards and over the ground. crossbar Josh Majer you would expect to be honest I'd expect to

score that well I think you would but I just don't I just hope that don't cost them you're the

disappointment thankfully no Josh Madger in our fantasy EFL teams were a mid double game week at the time

I'm recording I am fifth from bottom despite hips which is Leif Davis getting an assist and a clean

shit do you know what I forgot to change my team. I'm not even Elijah. Oh, you wouldn't take long for the excuses to come out. I don't see you, you know, clambering for promotion. You're 88th.

71 points mid-game week. I've had a bit of a stinker, as I usually do. But Jack Rodoney, my gosh, man, missing two games. But Olly McBurney, what a season he is having, by the way. One of the outstanding performers, if not the outstanding performer in the championship. For Phil's old mob, whole city. He didn't catch him in, though. 22 points he's got, and I didn't catch him.

I went for Haji Wright, who's standing on two points currently. So that's the extent of my managerial decisions. Living Lovida loser, still leading the way Captain Coventry, Victor Torpen, he scored against Birmingham. Our league code, 72 EFL pod. That's the number seven, the number two EFL pod. Joby and Phil, where are you this weekend? I am up at Wrexham.

I'm really looking forward to this, and we're actually at the ground. So it should be a cracking atmosphere, the Hollywood Derby. and actually two clubs that I think really do need a result. Chris Davis, I've seen a bit of them when we talk about those teams that probably haven't quite,

you know, had that sparkle and certainly what they did last year need of a win and this is obviously going to be a real high profile game for the league, so I'm really looking forward to that one.

And Peterborough Sports at home to Kidaminsster, how he is? Oh, Philip. Oh, dear. Oh, Bill. Come on, how are you feeling ahead of that one? Absolutely delighted.

You know what? You know, all the Peter Bree United fans just park Peter Bree United for a weekend and just come and support me, will you? If you get a late with that. You know, like we hear a lot in the press, don't we ask? Just to have a game. It's like, it isn't, is it, Phil?

Like, you want to go and if there's a game you want to win this season, it's that one. A hundred percent. A hundred percent. If you score late, Phil, are you giving it the big in? Are you going to go full marina down the touch line? Marina down the lane, absolutely.

Put me, put me knee pads on. I hope it's raining so I can slade even further. Are you on? that 4G surface, Phil? No, no, no, no, I'll get me away from that. I'll take anything for that. You don't want to be sliding on that because you get carpet burns on your legs and you get those little like

bubble things just everywhere. Now the chairman's honestly, he's invested quite a bit and he's, the pitch is in decent condition. Very good condition. Don't be sliding on it then. No, no, not. Not with your needs. Off the field. Come on, Phil. We're rooting for it. Yeah, come on.

Gentlemen, I appreciate it. I'm looking forward to Farmageddon this weekend. Absolutely. Norwich taking a short trip to Whipswich. for that. Predictions, Alan? Come on, predictions. It's a Portland Road. I watched Ipswich against Bristol City last night. It wasn't too

enamoured by them, but I anticipate an Ipswich win. Oh, yeah? I think they've got plenty in the tank to go out and dominate it, and there's going to be an atmosphere. You know it's going to be raucous. High noon, Sunday afternoon, roast dinners just settling

beautifully, chicken in the oven. Let's go to town for Ipswich. It's going to be good. Farmagetan, love it. Farmageddon. Remember, send us your picks for our all-time Ultimate EFL 11 on WhatsApp.

08,000, 289 369. That is it for this episode of the Football Daily. Thank you, Joelle. No probs, mate. And for anyone listening, it would be nice

if you can include me on a great show, Aaron and Joby. Any messages to Joby. Next week will be read out in full. So whatever it is, if you've got any form of dilemmas, any footballing dilemmas,

it is. Any questions, queries, we will read them all. Thank you, Philip. Good luck this weekend. Go well. Thank you very much, guys. Appreciate it. And thank you to you for listening. On the next one, Mark Chapman will have reaction to Wednesday night's champions league games, including our five live commentary of Monaco against Manchester City. As for us on 72 plus, we'll be back next week. Catch you then. Tim Remo, where's Morgan? Big Wes all day. Curtis won't be happy, by the way, You know, you've got to let people down this day and age job so.

All the old management, mate. You've got to make the top calls, mate. I'd imagine you've done it loads of time, so you can take that one. Five live sports. Go to the end zone, touchdown. NFL. Touchdown, Philadelphia.

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