Football Daily - 72+ Top 10: Play-off Moments

Episode Date: June 23, 2023

The Football Daily’s 72+ team of Aaron Paul, Phil Brown & Jobi McAnuff discuss and debate their EFL top 10s in this brand new mini-series. In episode one, the guys rank the big play-off moments. From Dean Windass to Troy Deeney, and from Josh Windass to Bobby Zamora – who will top the lot?

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from 72 Plus, the home of the Football League on BBC Radio 5 Live. On this episode, we're going to be taking a trip down memory lane and looking through some of the greatest moments from the biggest football show on earth. Of course, the playoffs.

That's what we're talking about. Who better to discuss it with than double Wembley winner, Phil Brown, looking absolutely gorgeous following your holiday with Big Sam and Sean Dyche. How was it? It was good crack. It's one of them where you give 25, 30 grand

to smaller charities and it makes a difference, you know, so it's really, really worthwhile going. Absolutely. Well, good to have you with us. Great to be here. Also with us is someone who didn't taste victory sorry Joe

Joby McEnough EFL God well I was wondering how long you were going to take to bring that up my playoff history is absolutely terrible I was going to skip

this section completely but obviously I know why Phil's here now to give us the the know on how to navigate your way through but again from a golf point of view I didn't get get that invite, so I didn't manage enough games. You're not on that list yet, mate.

I'm going to try and get there, because at the moment I've got two kids in school, can't nick a holiday. Hopefully later on in the summer I'll get away, but no, great to be here. Let's dip straight in to the best playoff moment. It's hard to say playoff finals, it's hard to just get it all together. Playoff moments, let's do that. So let's to say play off finals. It's hard to just get it all together. Play off moments. Let's do that. So let's have your 10 to 6. Who wants to go first? I'll have a nibble first.

So number 10, I've got Bolton Wanderers against Preston North End. It's 2001 this. It was on the back of us getting knocked out of the previous year. We got absolutely battered by Ipswich in the semi-final. George Burley's Ipswich. It was George Burley's Ipswich it was George Burley's Ipswich good side

yeah very good side Jim Magilton hat-trick can you believe that Jim Magilton hat-trick in the second leg we got beat 5-3 the total score

I think was 7-5 but I was with Sam after that game I'm assistant manager so I'm not really knowing what it's like to put your head

above the parapet and Sam was manager and I'm thinking do I want to be a manager after this? Because he's gone through, he's really gone through the mill for 48 hours. Anyway, I stayed with it, stayed with him and we turned it around. I've got to say it, from that moment to the moment where we beat Preston and the one I'm talking about, we beat Preston North End, who was managed by David Moyes, another legend in the game.

And we went to the Millennium Stadium for the first time and it was a 3-0 victory. So we've gone from battered by Ipswich the year before to winning 3-0 against Preston North End. And that was probably my earliest moments. As somebody that knew he was going to go into management, that was the one that took me over the lane when you've gone from that.

It's almost sublime to ridiculous. And we've won 3-0 and the rest is history, as it were. We survived in the Premier League the following year and we eventually got to Europe. So that's me 10th. In ninth place, I'm going again. It was Sam managing West Ham against Blackpool when Vazte got the winner, Ricciardo Vazte.

So I'm out of work. I'm watching this game from home. And we signed Ricciardo Vazquez as an apprentice and he's gone all the way and he's talking about 2012 so by that time I think Sam had managed about four clubs

in the Premier League but to go down into the Championship and to win through the playoffs again I mean it was just magical Tough for Ian Holloway though wasn't it?

It was really tough for Ian Holloway I mean when they'd got back into the game I think West Ham went 1-0 up and when they equalised I thought it's Blackpool's game

and it was a winner with about 3-4 minutes to go and you know what it's like you get to the end of games in the playoff finals

and people are just on edge to start off with let alone the last 3-4 minutes of a cup final you know Just before you get

into your next one I just want everyone to know that this podcast is sponsored by Sam Allardyce Football Solutions because your next one Phil I just want everyone to know that this podcast is sponsored by Sam Allardyce Football Solutions. Because your next one, Phil, is? Is Ipswich-Borgen-Wanders.

Oh, Kelsa Freeze. And that was a semi-final, so I'm going from 10. Is it Sam Allardyce's greatest moment? Do you know what? Or EFO in general? No, no, no. Jokes, do you know what?

I've just clopped this. He's been very cryptic, but he's dropped little hints in. He's turned around and gone, I was unemployed, I was watching it behind him. He's hoping that if Sam gets another job, he brings him in with him. I think he's dropped little hints he's turned around and gone I was unemployed I was watching it behind him he's hoping that if Sam gets another job he brings him in with him

I think he's done I honestly think he's done after them four games at Leeds I mean if the call did come and he said come on Warfell

come on Warfell let's go would you do it I don't think the call would come I think I turned if it did if it did

I probably he's playing too much golf now isn't he I might have a go he's pinned you off for Macca did I probably he's playing too much golf now I might have a go he's pinned you off for Macca did I for Neil Macdonald Neil Macdonald

and Robbo now come on bring us the next tale of Allardyce in 7th it was Sunderland against Swindon 1990 if you remember

Sunderland's my team and Swindon won the game but Sunderland got promoted because Swindon had the the game taken away from them and it was the semi-final that I was thinking about because Sunderland beat promoted because Swindon had the game taken away from them and it was the semi-final I was

thinking about because Sunderland beat Newcastle in the semi-final so that was a big moment for me that was in the early days where

you thought what are these play-offs all about I thought it was going to be short, sharp we're going to change the format

have a little look at this see what you think and it just went from strength to strength and of late Sheffield Wednesday posh

I mean what a comeback 4-0 down You got that only at 6 Phil? I've got that at 6 because I've gone probably more personal so I've now mentioned Sam I'm going to go more personal in the top 5

Can I just say he bypassed 8 conveniently which was Ipswich vs Bolton in 2000 because we were taking that out of him for giving Sam a little cuddle. I know you've just been on holiday with him, but come on, man, the holiday's over now,

you're back to work now. Relax, Philip, relax. I haven't actually been on holiday with him. Well... How were the nights? He likes a beer. Yeah, so do you. No, we've become more refined.

It's more wine and cognac now, as opposed to beer. Wine, cognac, Kovacs, Jovi let's have your 10-6 please. Right, I'm going to start with an absolute wonder goal, playoff final at Wembley. Gary Alexander's goal for Millwall

the reason it's at 10 is because in the end it didn't mean anything but an absolute incredible goal. Number 9, I'm going to go for Blackpool 3, Cardiff 2. Fantastic story that season for Blackpool. An incredible game. I remember just watching it thinking,

the hottest day in the world. Players giving absolutely everything. Charlie Adam, incredible free kick. And obviously Brett Elmored with the winner. Spygate is number eight for me. Derby versus Leeds and everything around that. That was more than just you know a couple of playoff games that was you know everything that went into that incredible

number seven alex revels volley for roverham again i talk about quality of a goal on an occasion like that this time did mean something certainly to get them back in at 2-2 come from 2-0 down and go on and win the game and then at number 6 I have got the famous Bobby Zamora 90th minute winner

10 men you know for a long period of time didn't even have a shot on target until that minute so to pop up with a goal like that

certainly as a player that is a dream moment last minute of the game playoff final Bosh get your club into the Premier League. No mention of Sam

Allardyce. Absolutely stunning, Jobes. I mean, that Gary Alexander goal, what an absolute cracker that was. It's got to be one of the best goals ever at Wembley in terms of... There's been a few. No, for the occasion I'm talking about. I mean, playoff final. It was an unbelievable,

unbelievable... What is he even thinking about shooting from there? I do, playoff final. It was an unbelievable, unbelievable, what he's even thinking about shooting from there, I do not know. To execute it, and then the fans behind the goal, it's just, it's one of those moments, certainly when you watch back. What was the distance? 35 yards at least, I'd say. It was the angle, wasn't it? It was a far corner bosh. Banger. Phil, Spygate,

does that break the managerial code? Depends where you're managing. Yeah, it does depend where you're managing which side of the fence you're talking about do you no it doesn't not at all

do you call it managerial beep-housery explain that you said dark arts absolutely I I'll just jump in on that

so obviously I played for Jamaica we played over in Central America numerous times over at CONCACAF and there'll be times where the day before a game,

obviously you're in the opponent's stadium when you're playing away. You have your one day's training. And there were so many occasions, supposed to be an empty stadium. You know, you're there behind closed doors. We'd just be doing a session, being a bit of prep work. I can't remember where it might have been, somewhere like Honduras or Panama or somewhere like that. And you just heard this rattling of a seat, right, halfway through this session.

So we've stopped the session. Everyone's looked up and you just see some guy just scuttling away behind. So obviously we've stopped everything. We've gone and complained to the CONCACAF reps. And look, there's definitely somebody in the stadium. Nobody really speaks English over there. It's all Spanish speaking. Didn't even entertain the fact there could have been somebody there.

But it is just, I think, something that is done a lot more readily in that part of the world. You know, obviously, there's South Central America, there's South America. But I think they would just, they might call it fine margins,

gaining the edge, that little advantage. But I will say, I'd like to be else's approach to it, though. I've got to say, just coming out and saying, listen, that's just what we do. Probably the most baffling press conference but I will say I'd like to be else's approach to it though I've got to say just coming out and say listen that's just what we

probably the most baffling press conference anyone has ever seen definitely up there which again added to it all so yeah certainly a

lot of spice in that just on a quick side note before we get Phil's five to one the Alex Ravel goal great goal but do you remember

Joe Garner's goal against Rotherham in the semifinal I know they got battered but Joe Garner's goal will Rotherham I know they got battered but Joe Garner's goal will go down as one of the greatest in the EFL goals

yeah wasn't it Wembley though was it no it was a deep down ah well Wembley deep down same thing

Philip your 5-1 please well if I'm listing these off 5 Bolton Redden before Sam Allardyce Bruce Ryo was in charge

Fabian De Freitas I think got the winning goal Owen Coyle etc etc so I was in the stands watching that game I was supporting Bolton having left them

and gone to Blackpool 4 I've gone Luton-Coventry the one that we've just done because it's still fresh in my mind and there was so much on the game

and it was just brilliant one of these two clubs are going to go in the Premier League and either one is going to upset the odds and I'm delighted for Luton fans

and I'm hoping to stay at Kenilworth Road. Three, obviously Charlton Sun and one of the most exciting games, even though I'm a Sun supporter, Charlton go through on penalties and Mickie Gray missing that penalty and disaster and all that kind of stuff. I just remember them, you know,

a big Quinny holding Mickie Gray. It's like six foot six and five foot three and they're just cuddling each other. And then two personal ones in second south end when we beat Wickham in the hundred and twenty fourth minute

Joe Piggott equalised and then doing them seven I think it was with seven six on penalties and Hull against Bristol Rovers eh Bristol Rovers listen to me Hull

against Bristol City in 2008 is my numero uno Is that your greatest day as a manager? Yes and no strangely enough as I hear talking people ask me is my numero uno Is that your greatest day as a manager? Yes and no, strangely enough

as I hear talking people ask me is that my greatest day greatest achievement, getting promoted from the championship to the Premier League is a great feeling great moment but surviving in the Premier League was probably my greatest moment because you're 38 games and you are

favourites to get beat in every one of them games for 38 games and you are favourites to get beat in every one of them games for 38 games and that is pressure in itself. Luton Coventry was special. I mean, it was a great day just because you spent it with me and Joby turned up as well.

We know that. Yeah, you wrote me in, didn't you? It was great. It was great having you with us. It was about half ten then. Yeah, that. But Charlton Sunderland is one of the very... You know you have those moments, people talk about World Cups, watching World Cups as a kid. Mine was Charlton Sunderland is one of the very... You know you have those moments,

people talk about World Cups, watching World Cups as a kid. Mine was Charlton Sunderland. I remember watching it because it was just on TV at the time. You sat there and you're like, how is this game like this? We've got to talk about Clive.

We have to talk about... Mandonca. What a guy. The pure irony is the fact that he now works in Sunderland at the Nissan plant and he's equally works in Sunderland at the Nissan plant and he's equally hated by Sunderland

and Newcastle fans and he survived that as well he survived it but what a finisher what a player that team I mean Alan Kerbishley

suit to get a Wembley in a cream suit is brave oh I see I mean Jobes just looking at

Phil's list Luton Coventry's a brilliant one Southend Wickham as well not the best of games but for Joe Biggett to creep up

and sort of bobble it home was great in that draw I've never felt so much for the opposition's manager as what I did that day when you win

it's fine margins when you lose it's fine margins that playoff final Southend won Wickham won in 2014 will always be very special personally to me

Wickham were the first club I ever covered as a reporter. So, I was doing hospital radio. Can you imagine? And we had two listeners. But I remember

the season before, Wickham surviving on the last day against Torquay. Gareth Ainsworth carrying that sign that said Believe. And then going in

the next year, transforming the squad, bringing in a few players. Alfie Mawson that year, imagine that, a future £18m centre-half to play at centre-back was brilliant,

but to get there and to lose on penalties and for it to be Matt Bloomfield who missed the penalty, Mr Wickham, who's now obviously the manager, was heartbreaking. You were magnificent that day though, Phil,

on the touchline, everyone always talks about it, the arm around the shoulders of Ainsworth, it was like the old guard to the new, it was really impressive. But The arm around the shoulders of Ainsworth, it was like the old guard to the new. It was really impressive. But look at what he's done after that game, you know. He's now gone on

to great managerial achievement in my opinion, just because he steadied the ship, you know. He didn't deserve to be equalised against in the 124th minute, then get beaten on penalties. It's cruel. It really is cruel, but it's what you do afterwards. Gareth Ainsworth now, of course, manager at QPR.

Phil, we know how it went for you because you're sat here working with us. Absolutely. I know where I'd rather be. You're at QPR. I just didn't want

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Joby, let's have your five to one, please. I will kick off with number five. Dean Windass' volley is actually the season that Phil's Hull City beat my, at the time, Watford in the semifinals. But unbelievable story. You know, hometown boy, Wembley. Again, we talk about moments, you know, to score a volley in a final. You know, given everything that was wrapped up in that, you know, it was an incredible moment, I think. And, you know, to get your team to the Premier League, incredible.

Liam Palmer, I think the equaliser, 4-4. Again, for those of us that covered the first leg, there was absolutely no way Sheffield Wednesday were coming back. For those of us that have been involved in playoff games and lost the first leg, lost one by three goals, one by two, and wasn't able to overcome. So to lose by four and then actually get themselves in, it just seemed to be inevitable. As soon as they started that game and they got on a run, it was just always coming.

But you just thought maybe not in the end because the time was just ticking down. So, you know, incredible comeback given what happened in that first leg. Number three, Gildan Man City. Going back in the archives this time. But again, you look at, I think, what City have done since that. You know, when you talk about turning points in clubs' histories, that has to be up there. Again, just in terms of the game, 2-0 down, 86 minutes.

You know, surely it's dead and buried. Kev Horlock pops up, 89 minutes. Paul Dickoff, famous goal. And then it's the celebrations for me. Nicky Weaver, a young Nicky Weaver. I've never seen a keeper run as fast as that. I think he would have been being 100 metres that day. He's a big guy as well.

Yeah, exactly. He was just off three penalty saves. That was chilling and managed by Tony Pulis as well, wasn't it? It was, yeah. So again, that's a fantastic one. Charlton, four, Sunderland. Again, playoff finals. We've covered a few recently that aren't necessarily great games

because there's so much at stake. But to get a 4-4, the games, two in and throw in, action, everything, the lot packed in there. So that's got to be up there for one of the greatest finals for me ever. And I have to go with the Troy Deeney goal for the greatest playoff moment, the craziest minute I would probably say I've ever seen of football. I remember being at home watching that. And it wasn't a penalty to start with.

Obviously, knockout gets it. Harmonious save, and you're like, oh, my gosh, what's going on here? And then to actually go up the other end, break the scenes. We talk about scenes. You know, that's a word that's bounded around now, but like, you know, the commentary was absolutely on point. Just everything about that moment is

just, for me, probably sums up the playoffs. It was incredible. I really want to talk about that Dini moment, and we will talk about it because I'm fully with you on that. I still watch it now, and I still get goosebumps. Right, just gives goosebumps, absolutely.

We'll go in depth in it. We've got to start with Dean Windhouse there, and go back to, no disrespect, Jobes, what's it like to win at Wembley? We have to have balance on the show. Someone who's lost, I can give you that perspective,

and then we've got the winner. The year before Job's we were in a relegation battle in the championship and it was one of them where

Dean Windus was at Bradford City just down the road and it was a case of I'm getting one or two

cries for get Dean back get Dean back and he's 35 36 year old

I'm thinking is this a wise move anyway he's on the bench at Bradford City and he's not getting a

game and that will be a nightmare for the manager because he'll be up and down. He'll be next to the manager whenever there's somebody going down injured. He'll be up next to the manager. Get me on, boss. Get me on. He's one of them kind of infectious kind of characters.

Anyway, long story short, I bring him back in the survival campaign. He scores eight goals in the survival campaign, which was the highest goal scorer that year that's the reason why we were in trouble

but the goal that he scored the previous year at Cardiff City was the moment that we survived and it was Windus again and he just had

that stomach about him that you knew there was a little bit of fate written in this guy's eyes you know and then lo and behold his son does the same

for Sheffield Wednesday and it's just phenomenal I don't know what it is it's just that moment in football that you can't explain you do all your coaching badges you do all your research

on the opposition and this that and the other and then moments come along and you think wow where's that come from Everyone looking at him would say he's this archetypal big man

but he was technically a very very good footballer was it you who dropped him deeper into 10 midfield? No, he just couldn't get up. Seriously, the goal that he scored, the volley that he scored, it was a channel ball. And it was Nicky Barnby, of all people, who was putting a ball into the channel. He just turned something around the corner, which good players see space,

put it into space, and then recognise the two strikers and you know Dino couldn't get there but we had signed Fraser Fraser Fraser Campbell from Manchester United

and Fraser spun into channel now Fraser's a right footer but he's gone into the left hand channel so he gets to the by lane and because he's getting to the by lane he wasn't confident enough

to cross the ball with his left foot so he brought it back onto his right foot and by that time that's given Dean Windus about two or three

seconds to get to as far up the pitch as he possibly can and that was edge of the box and when he came back to him

he just has the technique there goes all that intelligence that us footballers try and take a bit of credit for you know

the old Teddy Sheridan one just finding little pockets of space and not rushing into an area because all the body,

you're just saying it literally, you just physically couldn't get there, Phil. Well, what do you do? Say your chief scout comes to you and your director of football and then the chairman saying, why don't we bring this guy to the football club? Dean was 37. We brought him to raise the profile of the football club

and raise everybody's expectations. I've got to say, in terms of from a managerial decision, because I know managers that have gone against maybe bringing in a senior player because of maybe what they hold in terms of the fans opinions and you know, that connection with the football club and maybe a little bit of fear at times, what's his motive for coming in here. But actually, and I've been again on the other side of that where senior players have come into the club and lifted absolutely everybody the players around them as you say the crowd the buy-in and actually as a manager embracing that side of it so to actually repay you in the end with the goal that got you promoted i suppose is the ultimate thank you i suppose from from dean himself

that's what it's all about especially in the EFL having that blend of star quality and hard work every team that has gone up has had them Phil I really wanted you to tell me about going up and getting the trophy but you've decided not to so I'm going to ask you about Josh Windass because you had sort of a Windass hybrid as your

number 5 Dean and Josh watching Dean's Instagram feed on the day of the playoff final, seeing him at the train station, very emotional. And he's an emotional man. We know that he struggled with certain elements of his life

and it's been tough for him. But, Jobes, to see his son score the winner at Wembley, wow, I mean, he was balling. Well, again, you talk about moments in games and, you know, not enough to have the dad be the one

who gets the goal that gets his team promoted, to have his boy playing. And I think especially with Josh, where he's had injuries leading up to it, he certainly wasn't 100% fit. And I think he said himself, he certainly didn't have the best game in the world. And to pop up with, again, a moment,

that thing that every single Sheffield Wednesday fan now will remember that goal and I think when you have your career

you want to finish it and look back on times like that so to do it as a father and son double act scoring a winner

at Wembley to get your team promoted is absolutely incredible and obviously very very unique not sure if that's

going to ever happen again I didn't score in a final so my little boy is certainly not going to be able to do that if he gets there. Monty Brown to take a team up at Wembley? Hopefully, hopefully.

When we won and I've gone through the night, I mean, I'm not being disrespectful of anything or anybody here, but I stayed up all the way through the night. I just couldn't go to sleep. The adrenaline was still flowing. The beers were flowing. We were at the Grove Hotel

and I walk into the breakfast room having had very little, grove hotel and um i walked into the breakfast room having had very little if any sleep and there's the winders family and dino's obviously head of the family he's sitting there with his cornflakes he's got a pint of guinness pint of guinness next to cornflakes cornflakes and guinness they do a lovely breakfast at the grove as well but josh was at the table so you know, it's either going to scare you as a kid or it's going to say, I want to do that. I want to be there.

You know, it's a great point. And I think probably why Josh is so happy that he did it, because I can well imagine, and you know, obviously, Dean, a lot better than I do, but for his whole life, he's probably had to listen to Dean

telling him that he scored that goal at Wembley and now he can actually say, no, sure, I'm going to admit that. I've got one as well now. Just pipe down, mate. Do you know what I mean? Let's stay on Sheffield Wednesday, but talk about Liam Palmer.

Yes. Because I did the first game, the 4-0 at London Road, and it was incredible. It was genuinely one of the most maddest nights of my life, having sat there and encountered it. The atmosphere was raucous.

It was a packed house. You see Barry Fry. He was loving life. Darrow was there. It was a packed house. You see Barry Fry. He was loving life. Dara was there. It was just a real, real feast for Peterborough. Whatever could have gone wrong for Sheffield Wednesday did go wrong. But then, Joby, Hillsborough came alive.

And I do worry about that place sometimes because they can turn very, very quickly. It's a tiny little... Stadium with history, isn't it? It's got massive history little it's a stadium with history isn't it it's got massive history it's a stadium with history it's a magnificent arena for football

but Jobes Liam Palmer scoring that goal probably the craziest game of football I've ever watched listen I think for those of us

who were you know at that first leg the way the game went and the way that Peterborough executed their game plan in terms of

counter attacking football and being so clinical when they got in those areas. That was the big thing for me. And sometimes you do these games and you get asked a question, right, that's got to be it now. Every bone in my body, post-match, after that first leg, wanted to say it's done and dusted.

And that was the overriding feeling, for sure. But there was just something in me that was like, because it's at Hillsborough, you know, again, it was a very young Peterborough squad, are they going to be able to go and deal? sure but there was just something in me that was like because it's at Hillsborough you know again that was a very young Peterborough squad are they going to be able to go and deal you know they were questioned are people even going to turn up there were calls for Darren Moore's head after the first game to get someone in for the second game to give them a bit more of an opportunity and and what that man did you know listen the fact we're now sitting here and he's now no longer

Sheffield Wednesday manager is absolutely disgraceful, really. That's another story for another day. But to be able to turn that round, as I say, I've been on the end of a 3-0 deficit from first leg to second leg. And as much as you say that week, right, we're going to turn it round, we'll get the first goal,

well, you know, there is that nagging feeling in your head that you just can't do it. It's 3-0. So to turn around four and actually getting the buy-in of those fans as well, for me, which again, he did. He got to the stadium, you know, and it was all that positive reinforcement.

And that was the key for me. Listen, Liam Palmer's goal, absolutely huge. But for that first 10 minutes, fast start, get that first goal. He thought it was going to happen once they got the third one. And then they sort of held out Peterborough, you know, and it's like... what a time to score. Where it started for me, there was two hours before.

And you know, I love a manager that sings Phil, because I get you to sing all the time. But when Darren Moore stood on the touchline, clapping along to Hi Ho Sheffield Wednesday, and you're like, what is this guy doing? He was getting involved with it so much.

And TV made a point of panning in on him while he did it. And they're like, right, he really gets the club. And it's like, he's singing Jeff Beck. But it's that connection, Aaron. I think that's the big thing. It was him showing how much he tried to integrate himself into a football club. And you know, he's a wonderful human being. He's a brilliant person.

You can't not like him. And for him to do that, it just showed how much he wanted to be kind of one of them one of their family and and he was but what a way to go out firstly that first game the second leg and then bang winning at Wembley yeah and listen having been at the first game going back to that we we were actually sat probably in the first row right by the dugout, so we were literally five yards behind him and to see the disappointment, the frustration would have been probably as low as he's

been managerially when that fourth goal went in and actually could have conceded a fifth really late on as well, which turns out to be a real critical moment in the game. So for him to actually be able to lift himself and get himself going and organise that group of players to go and do it is an incredible achievement as well.

And I certainly feel, as you say, as a man, you know, we talk about managers, good managers, how do they play tactically, philosophy. He's a good, good man. And I certainly am really, really pleased, as you say, that he's been able to do that. I mean, just prior to that, 96 points, you know, to not get promoted

has literally never happened before. I know, yeah. You know, and then to go and win the playoff final. So at the start of a season, if your chairman says to you, Phil Wright, you're going to get 96 points this season, I think everyone's signing off on that. That's the season you're getting promoted.

Doesn't happen. I'm already talking about a new contract. 86 points. Right? And it's like, well, he hasn't done a good job because i've been promoted no it's just been a freak season then the next remit and the remit overall in his tenure would be to get that club into the championship does that ticks that off do you not think that in the second leg bay von chansey was lurking around like the grim reaper absolutely just on the sideline just waiting and then when they won he was was like, what do I do now? So they went to the tunnel. And the Sheffield Wednesday tunnel is massive, isn't it?

It's like the bowels of Hillsborough are huge. So they've come back down the tunnel. Everyone's celebrating. And he just walks in. He's like, what has just happened? I've turned up from Thailand to come and sack this man. And he won. Well, I think, again, when you talk about Hillsborough,

and that played a huge part in it, that wasn't just that night, you know, in terms of what was going on. That was a whole history of a football club. And that's what it does do to you at times, Aaron. When you go to a place like that as a young, I'm looking at the Peterborough perspective now, 10 minutes in, you're looking around going,

wow, there's 30,000 people in here. The game's going against us. How do we turn? And they weren't able to turn that around because of a bit of inexperience and naivety at times

and you just felt that they played such a big part in that the crowd as well and there's a couple

of things they're saying Joey you know once that momentum does turn it's very

difficult as a manager to stop it from turning it's very easy as a manager to keep it going and that's

what he felt he needed an early goal one they got it they need a goal before half time they need a goal just keep it going and that's what he felt you know he felt he needed an early goal one they got it they need a goal before half time right they got it they need a goal just after half time and then a last minute equaliser

unbelievable but when you say moments I look at that winning penalty and I think it was a Jack Hunt that was taking the winning penalty and he side-futured he passes it into the top corner

it's in the postage stamp I'm thinking what confidence that is a moment and then he didn't run away like a lunatic he just turned and went what about that I do that every day I do that every day

so that was a moment for me absolutely let's move on to Joby's 3 and 2 we'll skim over these ones quickly Joby your number 2 was Charlton Sunderland that was Phil's number 3 we've talked about that

with City, Gillingham naturally we want to talk about City that they they've won the treble and everyone feels that this was sort of the catalyst for the road back for them because look there was a high chance they would have gone into administration afterwards and had sort of issues my focus on this though is Tony Pulis because I'd never seen Tony Pulis without a hat before and and I forgot he actually existed for about seven years after that until Stoke came back up. Because don't you remember we had two spells at Stoke when the Icelandics took over, they binned him off

and Peter Coates brought him back. And after that, it was always Tony Boulis with a hat. But he had hair. And he walked out, double-breasted suit, walking out through that sand pit at Wembley what a game though what a game

before you go to jobs just a little aside to when you said it it just memories just come flooding back we were actually at Wembley for that weekend

at Bolton Wanderers so we're staying in a hotel and I know one of my big pals from Manchester big City fan loves the good old days of you know

back in the third division back in the second division battling away not the new days the new man City he liked them good old fashioned days anyway

2-0 Gillingham and Kevin Hall got the first goal in the 86th 87th minute

whatever it was and I phoned Bob up me mate he's in the stands he's in the terraces Bob just scored got a great chance now and he was on the he was me mate, he's in the stands, he's in the terraces, Bob,

just scored, got a great chance now, and he was on the, he was on the tube, he had left the stadium, he had left the stadium, he was on the tube, and I said, you better get off the tube Bob,

because you've got a head of steam going here, and all of a sudden, the second, Bob, the second goal's got it, equaliser, he made his way back to Wembley, got in for the second,

got back in, he got in and seen the extra time, but that in itself, was just a turnaround, these things happen to Wembley, got in for the same... Did he get in? Got back in. He got in and seen the extra time. But that in itself was just a turnaround. These things happen at Wembley. These things happen in playoffs. In fine, tight situations, 86 minutes on the clock, 2-1, 2-2, equaliser.

You've got the momentum, you go on and win it. Unbelievable. When you look at where City are now, I mean, that was a world away, Jobes. Oh, absolutely. I remember playing, I don't know, that had been a little mean, that was a world away, Jobes. Absolutely. I remember playing, I don't know, that would have been a little bit after

that at Main Road, the last season that they played in and the transition from there into the new one. It seems like a million years ago, not 20-odd. And I think, again, we come back to historical moments in football clubs and, as you say,

what could have happened if they hadn't have gone up that season. And again, Paul Dickoff scoring, which is probably now the second most famous late goal after the Aguero run, but his celebrations. And I just feel like that was such a pivotal moment in the whole of Manchester City's history. And to do it in that manner um absolutely brilliant can we move on and talk about your number one I have so many questions we have a lot to get through on Troy

Dini's Watford goal against Leicester in the semi-final because Joby for someone who's obsessed with winning at Wembley and oh they scored at Wembley this is a semi-final goal which you have picked as your number one moment this goal, how did it not make your list? Did it even make the top ten? I think where Jobes has gone, he's gone moments. I've gone memories more than any. So a memory is the full game, and the memory is the scoreline, the team getting through, and what happened afterwards,

and stuff like that. It's got to be in the top ten, Phil. I didn't play with Troy. Phil, it's got to be in your top one. It's got to be in your top one. It's got to be in your top one. Well, we've got two at number one, haven't you?

You're at number one as well. We'll make room for him. We're working here for the BBC. I'm not really in the business of praising

other media organisations, but can I say, Bill Leslie, the commentary on that goal is mesmerising. I can remember every word of it, so congratulations on that,

Bill. Can you say mesmeric? Mesmeric. Is it such a... Oh, I like it. So congratulations on that, Bill. Can you see him mesmeric? Mesmeric. Stunning. I mean, I would use another word, but I mean, is this the game that everyone realised that no one likes Anthony Knockhart? He cheated, didn't he? To get the penalty, yes.

And I think sometimes for those of us who have been in the game a long time, sometimes you don't necessarily get who have been in the game a long time sometimes you don't necessarily get what you deserve in the game but he certainly didn't deserve to get the penalty and listen no one likes to see somebody have to experience a moment like that in terms of missing the penalty but then to be down actually looking oh my gosh what's going on here breaking down the right I mean the look I cannot describe it it's like a child being told he's looking around and he's on his

on all fours like looking around going what is going on here it was stunning and it was you have to remember it was a double save it wasn't just

the penalty save I mean the first one then he reacts bang and then to actually again have that I suppose presence of mind from Watford

it's like last knock into the game to go and break like you say this is one of those moments honestly like I could tell you where I was

where I was watching it you know forever I'll be in that moment thinking surely as they're breaking you're just no I wasn't there

I was okay well there you go you've outdone me again that was well done I'll tell you you might be from where I was in my flat watching it yeah

and just as it's going you're like surely not they're breaking they're breaking obviously the cross comes in back stick maybe he's overdone it

knocks back down and who else Mr Watford Troy Deeney arrives bang on time and then you know

the scenes go on tell me I live fairly local so trying to get tickets we actually queued up outside Vicarage Road and it was one of those

yeah go on we'll go for it we'll give it a go and don't forget their game against Leeds where they'd had the goalkeeper situation Jack Bonham

and I think it was Ross McCormack who chipped him for about 30 yards and he flapped it into the net I remember that game as well

so when they got into the playoffs against Leicester it's like you have to go but I've never seen anything like it I've got a funny question very weird question

as well there is a moment when Troy Deeney scores, he runs away, and he actually takes a moment to pull his shorts a little bit down. Is that for sponsorship? I don't think so. I've got to say,

in a moment like that, I didn't have as many as Troy Deeney, but I do remember scoring in a semi-final for Reading against Cardiff, which was like the goal to get us into the final. And I actually tried to take my top and run away. You're just, it's just a pure, you're in a state of,

I don't even know what to call it. Just excitement. Euphoria. Yeah, euphoria. So I remember trying to run off, trying to take my top off to do the iconic celebration. I literally couldn't get the top off. I'm running along.

It's like over my head, get rugby tackled to the floor. They are, as I say, those times that you can't explain the feeling. It is just everything you work for all day, every day, every season. It just comes together in one single moment. I'm surprised you didn't have a regular cane of celebration. I didn't score enough, Phil.

I was just buzzing whenever that ball hit the back of the net. I was off, just like, this doesn't happen often enough. Do you know what gets overlooked quite a bit, Phil? And you'll know this being a manager, is the fact that Zola stacked it. So he's gone, someone's grabbed him,

he's tried to turn as if he's playing for Chelsea again, and he's stacked it, and he's gone down. And no one ever remembers that. Otherwise, it would have been a meme once upon a time. It would have been a meme once upon a time it would

have been a meme now i think that's why my manager's wearing golf shoes on on on this on the touchline what would the meme be though what would what would be cheers in here i don't know when when they say your dinner's ready i mean he's gone he's turned and he's he's stacked it down what a moment what a moment and and genuinely probably in my book, the greatest playoff moment ever. Not playoff final moment, but playoff moment ever. Guys, there you go. We have been through the best playoff moment. It's been a brilliant trip down memory lane.

Thank you, Phil. Thank you, Joby. That is it for this episode of the Football Daily. Next week on 72 Plus, Phil and Joby choose their top 10 EFL strikers. We'll catch you then. Hello, I'm Jade Adams. Welcome to The Neighbourhood. I came for banter.

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