Football Daily - Champions League Debrief: Man City stunned by PSG

Episode Date: January 23, 2025

Manchester City's Champions League hopes are hanging in the balance after a 4-2 defeat at Paris St-Germain.Steve Crossman presents reaction to all of Wednesday night's games, with Football Correspondent John Murray alongside former England defender Matt Upson at the Parc des Princes. Champions League winner Gary Cahill joins to give his analysis, before the podcast moves on to Celtic's 1-0 victory over Young Boys, which guarantees that Brendan Rodgers' side will play in the knockout play-off round. Arsenal all but secured their place in the last 16 of the Champions League with a comfortable 3-0 win over Croatian side Dinamo Zagreb at Emirates Stadium.Football reporter John Bennett offers insight on the night's other games, while you can also hear the post-match thoughts of Manchester City boss Pep Guardiola, Celtic striker Adam Idah, and Arsenal midfielder Declan Rice. TIMECODES:01:18 - PSG 4-2 Manchester City 16:53 - Celtic 1-0 Young Boys 21:17 - Arsenal 3-0 Dinamo Zagreb 24:55 - Other matches5 Live and BBC Sounds commentaries this week:Wednesday 22nd January: PSG v Manchester City – Champions League – 8pm KO – 5 Live Celtic v Young Boys - Champions League – 8pm KO – 5 Sports ExtraThursday 23rd January: Manchester United v Rangers – Europa League – 8pm KO – 5 LiveSaturday 25th January: Aston Villa v Manchester City – WSL – 12pm KO – 5 Sports Extra Wolves v Arsenal – Premier League – 3pm KO – 5 Live Manchester City v Chelsea – Premier League - 5.30pm KO – 5 LiveSunday 26th January: Tottenham v Leicester – Premier League – 2pm KO – 5 Live Crystal Palace v Brentford – Premier League – 2pm KO – 5 Sports Extra Aston Villa v West Ham – Premier League - 4.30pm KO – 5 Live

What an evening we've had in the Champions League we're going to wrap it all up loads to get through we'll give you all of the big stories involving Manchester City who somehow, someway in the Champions League are 25th after a crazy night in Paris

Arsenal looking very secure of their spot automatically in the last 16 of the Champions League are 25th after a crazy night in Paris. Arsenal looking very secure of their spot automatically in the last 16 of the Champions League and Celtic as well victorious knockout round Champions League football returns to Scotland so a massive story there as well. We'll also tell you about some of the big stories involving the non-British clubs Bayern Munich were beaten heavily Bayern are 15th in the Champions League table so they're in trouble remember the final is in their stadium this season the last time it was Gary Cahill

was lifting the trophy for Chelsea good evening Gary good evening what an intro that is thanks for that this is the first time I've spoken to you so I thought big him up immediately and get him on side love that so we've got Gary with us for the next 20 minutes and there's only one place to start.

It's in Paris. Paris Saint-Germain 4, Manchester City 2. The stadium was going absolutely crazy. Matt Upson and correspondent John Murray are there. And John, Manchester City, when they take the lead, it doesn't matter if it's at home, it doesn't matter if it's abroad, you just never know what to expect.

Well, it's been quite a night in the pouring Parisian rain here at the Parc des Princes, and it ends with Manchester City in the elimination places. It was a goalless first half, but it was exciting enough. Cavadiol performed a goal-line clearance, Hakimi had the ball in the net, but VAR ruled it out. But the second half, goodness me, City shocked the French champions with two goals in three minutes from substitute Grealish and Haaland. And it looked like Pep Guardiola's team had ridden out the storm,

but not a bit of it. PSG then stunned City with two goals in four minutes of their own, substitute Dembele and Barcala. The French turnaround was complete when the excellent João Neves headed in from a free kick to edge them in front, and the last act of the match saw substitute Gonzalo Ramos' goal confirmed by VAR for a win that lifts them out of the elimination zone and drops City in there, and they have to beat Club Bruges in Manchester next week

to make the knockout stage. And all of this, Matt, after two Manchester City goals where, let's be honest, the ball bobbled around a couple of the times quite favourably for City, so they got themselves in this position. Then they just collapsed. I don't want to take too much away from Paris Saint-Germain, but they did collapse. Yeah, they did.

And I agree, there was an element of fortune to the City goal, both of them actually. But they came from the fact of real positive drive in play. First one from Makanji and then from Nunez, from the right-back position. So the two defenders really did make it happen. Then there was some good fortune, but I felt that they earned it earned it and then it was just it's hard to explain that distances were miles off the moment psg got a little bit of confidence back they got that first goal

you just knew there was a feeling through this ground that there's big trouble for city here they they couldn't recover they were miles miles off the ball, off every man, people running off them. They weren't getting tight enough. And it was just comfortable for PSG. Chance after chance, every time they turned it over in the middle of the park,

they were on for an attack. And their midfield players, we've already mentioned, João Neves, who's man of the match. He was just absolutely outstanding this evening. Gary, you've obviously played in that stadium in the Champions League. The atmosphere is always

fascinating, I find, because when things are going against PSG, it gets very quiet, but when the tails are up, it's spectacular, isn't it? Certainly is, especially on these European nights. But I thought that the reaction of the PSG team to go 2-0 behind and the way that they reacted

in that moment, and the fans was behind them as well. The second half had absolutely everything. I'm still trying to, to be honest, pick the bones out of it. It was like four goals in 10 minutes, was it? And disallowed goals, the VAR towards the end. What a game of football to watch, especially that second half. Is it a stadium that can just get on top of you if things start going a little bit wrong? The memories I have have been starved of possession. I feel like they create a philosophy in a team that like to have the ball and keep the ball, but we're talking about two teams that like to do that because obviously Man City

are very much the same. But for me today, the impressive thing from this PSG team was the reaction after going 2-0 down. Like you just spoke about then, the fans could be a bit subdued, even get on the back. That wasn't the case at all. They almost found another gear. And I think the interesting thing watching the game today was the PSG press. You spoke about a lot during the game. I thought the press was very interesting. The intensity they did it, the way they went man for man all over the pitch. Worked in their favour at times and also worked against them at times

with the two City goals. Came from, you know, two great runs and that is the way you beat man over the pitch. It worked in their favour at times and also worked against them at times with the two City goals. They came from two great runs and that is the way you beat man-to-man press, a bit of individual quality which opened them up. But time and time again they pressed high, they pressed aggressively and they forced Manchester City into mistakes. We saw it with Kovacic with one of the goals. Ed Edison's distribution the second half was, you know, he's one of the best goalkeepers I've ever seen with his feet. But he forced that with the intensity he pressed that. Gary, I couldn't believe the fitness levels, mate,

because you're talking about a team that plays in a league where they're on cruise control for a lot of the time. So to then switch it up to this level, they kept going the whole game with that intensity. It was impressive, wasn't it? It was impressive to watch, yeah. And like you said, real, real high intensity, but such as the importance of the game.

That was a big game today for both sides. And it looked like Manchester City, you know, was cruising. And I think the only thing at the moment that's crept into this City team is before Manchester City go 2-0 up, they managed the game so, so well. They keep the ball, they dictate play. And at the minute, that's just what they're lacking. I saw them against Brentford not too long ago,

2-0 up obviously to all at the end of that. So that's just a little thing that's crept in with the Man City team at the minute. But I agree with what you said, the intensity they press that,

it's so difficult when you've got the ball and someone's writing at you. It goes again, the next person's in, pressing and like I said, it created Manchester City to make a lot of mistakes in this game today through the press.

When we talk about matches where they miss, Rodri, this was absolutely exhibit A. And that's more or less exactly what I was about to say, Matt, is it is this issue of control. And it seems a ridiculous question to be asked. But why is it that Manchester City can't cope with going 2-0 up? Well I think John's mentioned obviously a key ingredient in Rodri but it's not just as simple as that I think that the confidence has been dented and that's not an easy thing you know you don't walk into Tesco's and buy confidence off the shelf do you know what I mean it's something that gets built and it happens over time and they've done that at this football club over years of being successful and

it's taken a massive jilt so all of a sudden when you're up against it the frailty's there and I think the physically they don't quite seem the same team but I think that links back into the confidence it's a psychological thing the The running, the getting tight, the winning, the duels, the 50-50s, the loose balls that you're anticipating. PSG were coming out on top in nearly all of them, which links to the fact that it looked like they wanted it more. And I'm not saying they did want it more than the City players, but they showed that on the pitch better by those kind of situations.

And I think once you get that sinking feeling that you're not as competitive as what you need to be against this kind of team, it's going to fall apart, Steve. And then the holes are going to start to appear and then you're on the back foot

and then you're in big trouble. OK, let's hear from the Manchester City manager. Here's Pep Guardiola. People suffer and the players suffer and they were better. They were better in intensity

doing duels. We found our moment with 0-2 for the goals. With the first half, they have one chance, we have two chances clear. But at 0-2 and especially 1-2, we could not play. To defend the belly, we had to play with the ball. They were better and have an extra man in the middle for the false nine and that's why it was difficult

to cope, to jump. But yeah, they were better nine and that's why it was difficult to cope, to jump, but yeah, they were better. We have to accept it. So, we have the last chance at home against Bruges. We'll do everything there and if it's not, it's because we don't deserve it. So, if I analyze game by game, today we don't deserve it, but there are games we deserve, but it's what it is.

So, what is the argument to say is unfair or fair? Always PSG arrive in that position when we play the previous games. I saw that they played better and they could not win. So today they were able to do it. And still we are in this position. Yeah, I mean, big stages and big teams. We struggle and have to accept it.

I said to the players, accept it and recover. Go to Chelsea to recover. And after, of course, the Champions League to try to qualify. But it's the same. At the end, we have to recover our game. That is what you have to do. Gary, is there a bit of a link here to something you experienced in your career? Because it's actually really, really difficult to find anybody who's experienced something similar to what Manchester City are going through.

But one fairly close example, I guess, is you had that season where you won your first Premier League under Jose Mourinho. And then the next season, it obviously all went wrong and he lost his job and Chelsea ended the season 10th. Did you have a time there where you can kind of empathise with being an elite team, a title winning team, who, for whatever reason, suddenly don't seem able to kind of put one foot in front of the other in the way that they did before? Yeah, and I think it's an element of what Max just said, to be honest with you. Even the top, top players suffer, naturally, with a little loss of confidence here and there.

I can only relate to, in the title-winning seasons that I played at Chelsea, you went out every week with so much confidence. You went out wondering how many you're going to win by almost. You concede a goal early. You don't worry. You don't panic because your formula is of the season. You're in so much confidence that you can get back into the games. When confidence is down and the run of form is not great

and maybe your personal performance is not great, the minute you go 1-0 down, there's a little seed of doubt in your head that goes, oh, not again. And I feel like even at the top level, there is an element of that. Naturally, they've been through more experience than most, been top players, international players,

so they can manage a hell of a lot of situations. But nevertheless, I do feel that that is something that has slightly crept in this season. Can it be fixed of course it can i mean we finished 10th the next season we ended up winning winning the league which is bizarre um i feel like this is a matter of time from man city you have top absolutely top top players best manager going one of um it's a matter of time till this flips around and and it will be punished john to differing levels and and playing a team like this and And I know, you know, it's a different model of PSG

and that kind of thing, but it's still a very expensively assembled and very talented side. Oh, massively so. You know, we've been tremendously impressed, Matt, haven't we, by João Neves tonight, who's only 20 years old. They spent almost 70 million euros on him

when he was 19 years old. He played so well, didn't he, tonight? Yeah, I mean, we were really having a good chat. I mean, I think it was earlier, wasn't it, about the type of players, how much do we know about them, have I seen them play that well yet? You know, I like the look of Barclay, but has he really done it when it's mattered? And Duo, and like you say, João Neves, for me, which was the real surprise package this evening

to see him in the flesh and see him have that type of performance. You can kind of understand that price tag. But they are paying that kind of figure for players across the field. The 19-year-old Due, who I thought did well in the first half. He's 50 million euros as well.

Nuno Mendes, the Portuguese full-back, that's the best part of 40 million euros. I don't know, I could pick out Pacho, for example, central defender. That's 40 to 45 million euros. These are big PSG prices. I think Dembele was about 50 million euros as well and they left him on the bench to start with, John.

That's right, yeah. Although he looked sharp when he came on and he had been ill. And talk about confidence players as with, John. That's right, yeah. Yeah, although he looked sharp when he came on and he had been ill. Well, and talk about confidence players as well, Gary. I mean, he's had quite the career, but he is quite clearly at the very top of his game now. Yeah, of course, yeah. It was a surprise, to be honest, when I saw the team

that he was on the bench, especially this season. I think, what's he scored? Seven in the last five games or something like that. So, he looked a threat when he came on, obviously. Great bit of skill. I know he hit the crossbar. I think he just nutmegged Silva and smashed it off the crossbar. I love Bernardo Silva's reaction to that, Gary. It went through his legs and he kind of just blew a face with his lips first,

as if to go, ooh. I'm sure he could appreciate that, being a top player himself. But he was a beautiful piece of skill. Dembele, I think, did the press conference as well with Luis Enrique, didn't he, John? So it's quite a surprise to see him not included in the team. But the impression I get is a bit like Manchester City. As far as Luis Enrique goes, expect the unexpected.

Well, unless it was a close call, of course. Because as we were saying during the course of the match and earlier, there's a lot of discussion here about Luis Enrique playing with a false nine and it's not going down terribly well so maybe it was touch and go whether Dembele was going to be recovered enough to be able to actually start the match

You can't say, it worked brilliantly didn't it to bring him on at the moment that he came on that half time switch I thought was it worked fantastically well I mean it's a real tactical triumph tonight for Luis Enrique against his old team-mate for Barcelona and Spain to put one of

him in the way that he has here tonight you know, it's dog-eat-dog isn't it? And I would quite like actually just from Matt and Gary just to get a bit of an assessment of the key goal if you like for PSG, the goal that put them in front.

Obviously, they scored again in stoppage time. But it was that goal from a set piece, Gary, that Neves heads in at the back post. Defensively, for all of the talk

about confidence and control around Manchester City, that was just basically quite poor, wasn't it? Yeah, I have to agree. I think they'll be very disappointed with that, the way that it's set up. I to look at it again to be honest because obviously never had so much time on that back post it was totally free and i think in that situation when obviously you're

in your line i think you've just got to communicate a bit better and shove people out the back you looked on your right hand side if somebody's out the back you just shuffle that line across a little bit more um and i think that was literally you know it's as simple as that it was a big big error you know especially at this level to leave somebody on their own at the backs at the back post like that you get punished it was so heavily weighted it was imbalanced gary wouldn't it that line the line was good in terms it was disciplined but they were so towards the near post i'm not sure if the substitution you know you had a minute and a half of waiting time it's almost like they weren't tuned in so

when the restart came after stones had come on they just weren't ready for the for the for the delivery into the box at all yeah you know what i'm sure i'm i'm sure they know as well do you know you're in the line like you said it wasn't a staggered line it was a great line it's just when you're on that half turned obviously you're scanning left and right you're seeing that someone's on their own the back post you have to shuffle that line across because, you know, that's a threat, obviously. And it was a simple finish for him in the end.

I know that put them 3-2 up, Steve, but the key goal for me was the first goal, the first PSG goal after City had gone to Matias Nunez, tried to win the ball

near the halfway line on Barclay, didn't need to go for it at all. Just these little tiny decisions at this level opened the pitch up and they killed them on it. And honestly, the difference in this ground, the feel was incredible. It was quiet as anything.

You feel if City had just been clever and managed that game for another 10, 15 minutes and not conceded to them, even if they were going to concede, conceded a tiny bit, you you know a bit later in the game they might have had more of a chance but that was a killer goal for me This is 5 Live Sports

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This is the Football Daily Podcast with Steve Crossman. So Manchester City, 25th in the Champions League, must beat Club Bruges in their final game if they're to go through into the playoff round

and they will do that if they win that game because they only need to get above one team and beating Club Bruges would take them above Club Bruges. So they know that's what they need to do. Celtic, though, can relax. They are through to the Champions League knockout stages for the first time in 12 years. Erile Barber, they've still got a game to go,

so they would have had that extra chance. But given that's at Villa Park, this is the one they really wanted to win. Yeah, absolutely. I don't think anybody inside here who was wanting Celtic victory were relaxed in any way. But Celtic, they came out with such intensity in the first half and they really took the game to young boys. They dominated that first 45.

They got in behind. They had the ball in the net three times and three times it was disallowed. Kyogo with all three finishes. They also missed a penalty in that first half and they must have thought it wasn't going to be their day. They've had such a hectic schedule of late, nine games since their last Champions League match. Young boys, they've only had two with a month-long winter break and you began to wonder if that fatigue might come into Celtic's game and whether that might be the downfall of not taking advantage of that early pressure but there's a resilience about this Celtic team they show it domestically but they're beginning to also show it in the Champions League particularly coming back from that 7-1 defeat against Dortmund to

draw with Atalanta to get the victories they're here to take them into the position where they knew a win tonight would guarantee them a playoff place. And right in the dying minutes, Adam Mida made the run. He got in behind. His shot was saved, but it rebounded off young boys' captain Benito and into the back of the net. So a touch of fortune in the goal that won it, but they really did deserve the win.

They were brilliant, particularly in that first half tonight. Callum McGregor again showed why he's so vital to this Celtic team. And for the first time in 12 years, they will play knockout football in the Champions League. Thank you very much, Ailey. So yeah, the goal that won it, as Ailey says, looks like it's going to go down as an own goal, but it was Adam Ida, the substitute,

who forced it. Here he is. You know, this feeling is indescribable. You know, we've wanted to come here. This is where we wanted to get to. And we've been great all this season throughout this campaign. So look, we've got here now and it's still time to push on. Can you describe what that first half in particular

was like to watch from the substitutes bench? Missing a penalty, three disallowed goals, and God knows how many other chances. Yeah, it was quite frustrating, but to be fair to the boys, the first half they played brilliant, you know. There's not many games where that happens. I think the boys were quite confident going into the half, having them goals disallowed. I know it's not nice missing the penalty, but to keep driving, keep pushing forward. So I think they've come out in the second

half, we've all been in a shift and we've got the points in the end. It's always going to be a game of big moments. How big a moment was Kasper Schmeichel's absolutely magnificent double save? He's unbelievable. He's one of the best keepers I've ever played with and I think everyone can tell that with what a career he's had. He's come here and he's been fantastic this season and we've seen it game after game, the saves he pulls off, he keeps us in the game. He's an amazing player to have and he's been great.

So when you come on, what does Brendan Rodgers say to you? And then when you get through after that magnificent work with your teammates, what's going through your mind? Look, any time I come on, he just says, do your thing, be yourself. These are the games I want to play and these are the games I want to have an impact in. To be fair to the gaffer, he's unbelievable with me in that sense. He lets me be myself and I got a bit lucky, but we'll take it.

I haven't scored in a while, so I'll take that. It doesn't matter how it comes, does it? No. I said to the boys, I don't care. That's my goal. Look, hopefully it gets me on a run, so I'm looking forward to it. There's one more game to come down at Aston Villa next week,

but into the knockout stages what do you think this Celtic team can do in Europe this season? I think we can go far we've got a great squad we've come this far why not dream big look we've been fantastic all this season some of us we want to go to the to the top and these are the stages you have to do then and we'll go as far as we can. So Celtic know they're going to be in the knockout playoff. Manchester City need a win to get into the knockout playoff. Arsenal are going through in the Champions League automatically.

Beat Dinamo Zagreb by three goals to nil. Watched by Conor McNamara. Yeah, you could tell the way this game was going to go in inside the opening minute. Steve, Arsenal looked switched on. They were sharp. The passing was crisp. The movement was dangerous. And Dinamo had barely touched the ball

before they were picking it out of their own net. Declan Rice scoring after just over 100 seconds. Really nice finish. Eye-catching build-up. And the only surprise by half-time was that Arsenal hadn't added to their lead. Gabriel had a couple of headers close from corners. Raheem Sterling making his first Champions League start

for Arsenal. Should have scored, couldn't get the shot away on the edge of the six-yard box. Eventually, Kai Havertz was to make it two midway through the second half. Good header from him after a Martinelli cross. And then Martin Odegaard, who had only scored once all season before tonight in all competitions, got in on the act in

stoppage time at the end. A close range tap-in. So Dinamo, no threat at all on a night when David Raya barely touched the ball I just walked past the Arsenal press conference for a moment there, I didn't want to go in Steve because I would be in trouble to come back out again to come speak to you, but just by

looking in the window, all I could see was a beaming Mikel Arteta, he was smiling he's obviously very, very pleased, this was one of those nights when Arsenal looked, you know, the height of their powers under michael arteta they barely put a foot wrong and a nice cameo in the second half from ethan when ari who given that you know bukayo saka is still going to be out for the foreseeable he came in really really good and uh and i think he'll be ready to step in when needed let's hear from one of arsenal's goal scorers here's declan rice

the manager he's been on us really hard about midfielders arriving because so many goals can come from there. It's down to us, you know, to make up that extra five, ten yards. And Martin obviously did there right at the end of the game. I did for the header. So we've got to keep arriving there,

but everyone's contributing. And it was an important win tonight. You know, it's been a really positive Champions League campaign. So we've got one more to go now. Hopefully we can win that as well. Is this a moment? Is this where you can turn the momentum and push into the second half of the season? It's been a really positive Champions League campaign, so we've got one more to go now. Hopefully we can win that as well. Is this a moment where you can turn the momentum and push into the second half of the season? Yeah, I hope so.

I think it's important that you're always... What I learned from last year is that you need to be there or thereabouts come this time of the season. And we are at the minute. Look, we need to keep winning games. I think the game on the weekend went 2-0 up. We draw 2-2. It's a real kick in the teeth because we should be seeing that out.

But to bounce back tonight and-1 it's a real kick in the teeth because we should be seeing that out but to bounce back tonight and win it's really positive now we go into Wolves and it's been a tough month but we keep being positive and we go again Mikel Arteta is going to

be able to rest some players if he wants for Arsenal's final game which is at Girona Aston Villa face Celtic Manchester City Club Bruges

and PSV at home to Liverpool all of those games on the 29th of January. 18 matches all kicking off at 8 o'clock John Murray. I bet you're really looking forward to that. Villa against Celtic is going to be some

occasion and for Manchester City now to go into that with a record in the Champions League this season of 1-2, drawn 2, lost 3 and to find themselves facing elimination from Europe is yet another unexpected twist in this torrid season that

they're having by their standards. Gary, you played in the normal group stage. We've obviously got this now. You've had some amazing nights in the Champions League. Do you think you would have enjoyed the way it is now? Big teams playing big teams more often? I was just going to say?

I'm actually enjoying it, actually, watching as a neutral at the moment, watching this new format. I don't know if it's just because it's new and fresh, but I mean, in this last match day, this table's going to be moving every other minute. Yeah. I'm just looking at it now. It's going to be so much change in this table.

I think it's exciting. Yeah, I've enjoyed it. I really have. Great stuff, Gary. Brilliant to have you with us. Thank you very much. You're welcome. Thank you very much. Top man, Champions League winner, Premier League winner, Gary Cahill, Matt Upson,

John Murray in Paris. Thank you. Correspondent John Murray and Matt Upson at the Parc des Princes. And a man next to me who might not enjoy the permutations quite so much next week is John Bennett. Luckily, there were a couple of things that made it a little bit easier. Yes, Real Madrid,

they went into their game against Red Bull Salzburg, a little bit concerned, comfortable win, 5-1 win. Rodrigo with two goals, brilliant assist, one of those goals by Jude Bellingham, by the way. Check that out on the BBC Sport website. Vinicius Junior got two goals and Kylian Mbappe scored his 19th of the season.

So they are 16th on 12 points at the moment they are seeded in the playoffs I don't think there's a chance they'll get into the top eight but the big result of the night Steve Feyenoord three Bayern Munich nil this is great news for Aston Villa because Bayern Munich would have gone ahead of them with a win but Bayern Munich at the moment 15th on 12 points. They are struggling to get into the top eight. I don't think they're going to make it either. Brilliant performance by Feyenoord.

Bayern Munich had over 30 attempts on goal, but Feyenoord kept them at bay, a 3-0 win. Great stuff, John. Thank you very much indeed. That's it from the Football Daily. The next episode will be the Euroleagues. As always, thank you so much for listening. In the shadows of Glasgow, two crime families rose to power. You're either with the Daniel family or you're with the Lyons family.

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