Football Daily - Champions League Debrief: PSG in control of Villa tie

Episode Date: April 9, 2025

It will take something special for Aston Villa to make it through to the Champions League semi-finals after a 3-1 defeat to Paris Saint-Germain in the first leg of their quarter-final in the French capital.Mark Chapman hosts reaction to the match, with Conor McNamara and Paul Robinson inside the Parc des Princes. Former Aston Villa striker Dion Dublin also joins, along with French football expert Julien Laurens.The podcast also features post-match reaction from Villa boss Unai Emery, defender Matty Cash, and PSG winger Khvicha Kvaratskhelia.TIMECODES: 00:35 - Paris Saint Germain 3-1 Aston Villa 11:10 - Khvicha Kvaratskhelia 13:13 - Unai Emery 25:35 - Matty CashBBC Sounds / 5 Live commentaries this week:Lyon v Manchester United in the UEFA Europa League – 20:00 – Thursday 10 April Chelsea v Liverpool in the Women's FA Cup – 12:00 – Saturday 12 April Nottingham Forest v Everton in the Premier League – 15:00 – Saturday 12 April Arsenal v Brentford in the Premier League – 17:30 – Saturday 12 April Liverpool v West Ham United in the Premier League – 17:30 – Sunday 13 April Newcastle United v Manchester United in the Premier League – 17:30 – Sunday 13 April Arsenal v Leicester City in the Women's Super League – 19:15 – Tuesday 15 April Aston Villa v PSG in the Champions League – 20:00 – Tuesday 15 April

BBC Sounds music radio podcasts. On the Football Daily podcast, the Champions League debrief. With Mark Chapman, listen on BBC Sounds. Dramatic night in the Champions League. Barcelona for Borussia Dortmund nil and Paris Saint-Germain three Aston Villa one and that is the game that we are going to concentrate on now with Conor McNamara and Paul Robinson who are at the Parc des Princes and former Villa striker Dion Dublin as well as Julian Laurent will join us in a little while. What a game, Conor.

The knockout stages of the Champions League just continues to produce these explosive matches and for four short minutes here in Paris Aston Villa dared to dream that they would be the ones enjoying the fireworks. They had a rope adobe, backs to the wall start, they absorbed early Paris Saint-Germain pressure but they took the lead. Ten minutes before half time Morgan Rogers with a finishing touch to a classic counter-attacking goal. McGinn did well to win the ball in midfield, Tielemans drove into the penalty area, pulled it back across the face. Rodgers side-footing it in. That was the template Unai Emery was hoping was going to work tonight

and was going to bring a lead back to Philip Park for the second leg next week. But what it didn't counter into effect was the phenomenal attacking force that Paris Saint-Germain have become. They don't have Neymar and Mbappé and Messi anymore, but they look a much better team for it. And the quality of their goals were of the highest order tonight. Desiree Douais got the first one to equalise just four minutes after Rogers had given Villad the lead. It was a perfect finish into the top corner beyond any Martinez who didn't even fully stretch to try and get there. Into the second half, Paris Saint-Germain took the lead for the

first time in this quarterfinal. The Georgian Kevatia Scalia who'd been superb to watch all night scoring soon after the restart and then at 2-1 down we were beginning to convince ourselves that actually that wouldn't be the worst outcome for Villa to bring back to the second leg but as we mentioned the commentary they are the team who've conceded the most stoppage time goals in the Premier League this season and they conceded in stoppage time here the left back Nuno Mendes dancing his way cutting back in the penalty area to finish high up into the net to give a 3-1 score line that Lucas Enrique will feel is deserved given his dominance

and that is going to make life really difficult for Unai Emery's team to try and turn it around next week. And we'll look at the situation for Villa and we'll look at where it was won and lost in a bit and do slightly the more in-depth stuff, but Dion Dublin, every single goal tonight, if you're a neutral in particular, which I know you're not, every single goal was just a joy to watch. Every single one of them. Yeah, I agree. Of just a high quality and composure under pressure, knowing full well what finish you're going to use before you get into the situation.

Just high quality chappers. And you know, I tip my hat to PSG they work so hard but they get the ball back at pace and they're just great to watch they're so balanced at the moment you know it was very imbalanced when they had the other superstars but now they have undercurrent superstars that are just rearing their head superb. I mean I'm just watching actually Paul Robinson on a monitor in front of me a slow-motion replay of Kevat Scaliers' goal. And the reason I said all four, because Villa's goal was a cracking goal,

the ball across from Thielemans was great, but the individual brilliance, I suppose, of Paris Saint-Germain, despite getting rid of all those individually brilliant players, the individual brilliance still saw Paris Saint-Germain through. It was absolutely unplayable. I mean, at times Villa couldn't get near him. He made the change at half-time, Matty Cass went off, de Sassi came on,

de Sassi just never got to the pace of the game. He never picked up the pace. And he didn't know whether to stick or twist. And he was getting beaten by Cabrera-Scalia every single time. And when he changed over to the right-hand side, then he got Barcaula that came on and did exactly the same to him. They really struggled defensively down the right-hand side tonight, Aston Villa. No, I agree, I think Robbo's bang on to Sassi.

Sassi didn't really want to be on the pitch tonight because it was just... And it's hard to get to the pace of the game at that stage of the game as a player coming on the pitches. And then just Kavala at Scalia tonight was on the right side, he was playing the 10, he was on the left hand side. Then Bale was doing what he wanted to do. I mean, Douay, I mean, I've seen him play

a couple of times before and he's been okay, but tonight, he's 19 years old. He was playing the game like he was a 35 year old veteran, he was just so confident. Great to see. He's got four in his last three as duet. They had 29 shots tonight, the Paris Saint-Germain 11 on target. And in fact, when the third one went in,

you could see the relief on Luis Enrique. Couldn't you Paul? He jumped into his staff's arms. I think, and you were saying it in commentary, if they'd gone to Villa Park 2-1 up, they'd have felt that was a missed opportunity. Yeah, Villa was'd gone to Villa Park 2-1 up, they'd have felt that was a missed opportunity. Yeah, Villa was still in the game at 2-1. I mean, 3-1 didn't even flatter them. It could have been 4, 5, 6. If they'd have put 6 past Aslan Villa tonight, they couldn't have complained

to the dominance that PSG had. But like you say, the importance of that third goal was there for all to see. The manager immediately leapt off his bench, jumped into the arms of his coaching staff. And the atmosphere inside the stadium has been electric all night, but even more so when that goal went in. It was a relief, it was a celebration and listen, it was no more than they deserved in all honesty. They were absolutely excellent tonight, Paris. Do you think it's one of those nights then, both of you, that whatever Villa would have tried to have done, they would have just been on the back foot against a side who are just peeking what it feels like at the right time.

I think whoever played Paris Saint-Germain tonight would have struggled. I think the way that they played and the way that they set about Aston Villa, they literally didn't give them a minute's peace. When they did lose possession, the turnover possession, Villa had the ball, every time they looked up there was a red and blue shirt in their face. They didn't give them a yard, they didn didn't give a minute. There was so quick They were organized the way that they've been coached to play that the way that they did It was a joy to watch it really was from a neutral point of view. They are really good side

You know what as well and I mentioned it as well at halftime and possibly before the game You know, you have to have an outball Marcus was so deep I know that's how the manager wanted them to play get yourself tucked in go yourself in a five four one or five five and just absorb the pressure then break but if you've got no out ball and your out balls ten yards away from the edge of your box you're playing passes and you're gonna give the ball away because they close down so quickly and I think that's what it was for Villa. It's okay sitting in but you've got to have one player at least up the pitch in the centre circle that you can get up and get

close to. So is that a positioning issue because it was Marcus Rashford who was their player who's furthest forward or is that a little bit more and it's been a discussion so many times, that Marcus Rashford isn't your number nine, really? Yeah, I think naturally he would have wanted to be out on the left, we all know that, but if you're playing centre forward, at some stage when the ball is run back by your side, you have to find your way up the pitch so they can just drop it into you or even put it in behind with a bit of pressure from you on the defender. If you look up and your centre forward is 10 yards away from your box you can't get out. Not the way PSG play chappers. They work hard to get the

ball back. If they get the ball back in your final third you're in trouble. And just to highlight the work rate, Jean Neves covered the most distance on the pitch, which was just shy of 12k, Paul, 11.86k. One of his midfield partners in Vitinha had the most passes in the game of 154. One highlight, firstly highlights how they complement each other, but it secondly

highlights the domination in all facets of the game. And that's what they do. They swarm you. They swarm all over a team. And to do that, I said in commentary, you can't just have one or two players doing it. You can't set a trap in a certain area and have three or four players doing a high press. It's the whole team, it's every single person. All over the pitch, they almost go man for man everywhere.

They trust each other, they know that if one goes they're going to have the backup, everywhere's going to be picked up, such a difficult team to play against. You know what Chappers, if you have players in your side that PSG have with the natural talent and the natural talent to score goals and to defend, if they have the mindset of really wanting to work hard as well, that's the perfect mix and they had it tonight. But they do, don't they? They do. Yeah, they do. They do mentally. They're happy. They're happy to work hard. Even Cavatscalio, who has a sort of, can look languid at times, has a work road to him. It makes it easy for your plan to come together if you have naturally talented footballers,

but they are happy to do exactly what you're asking them to do, which is really work hard to get the ball back. Vatini is in, their Mendes down the left-hand side was outstanding. Duhay and Kavak Scaly was brilliant as well. And they're all willing to do the hard yards in order to make the game easier for themselves, because they're better than most people. It's harder to get players to do that. Sorry, Travis, it's harder to get players to do that

and to put in that shift week in and week out. You know, the demands that he puts on those players, I tell you it's a lot easier because they're winning every week. When you're winning every week and you play the way that they do, you tell a player to run 12 kilometers in a game, no problem, we've just won the league last week, we're winning every week and we're progressing.

If you're losing and those tactics are not working, there's the issue. But surely it's also easier to do that if you're all doing it. You're not all running 12k, but you are all performing to your limit when it comes to work, right? And that is where the Paris Saint-Germain problem, as we've discussed many times, has been there before, Paul.

So, you know, if your superstars are working to the limit, then you work to the limit. And it's the buy-in, yeah, it's the buy-in from everybody. And that's what I said, the way that he plays only works if you've got every single player on board and he's got that and like we said in commentary you look at the age of his team, you look at the age of his squad and he's taken the big stars out of it but the better players in that team, the midfield generals if you like, they're the ones that are putting in the shift and they're looking around and the demands that they put on each other, you know, they're looking around the organisation, the communication and they demand of each other

because they know what's necessary and we spoke about Paris Saint-Germain for years, dominating French football, winning the league, can they do it in the latter stage of the Champions League against the better teams in Europe? They've proved tonight that they're at that level now and the foundations that he's built this squad, this team on, they're here to stay, they're here for a while this team. Let's hear from one of the Paris Saint-Germain goals scorers' side. Here is Kavic at Scalia. Yeah, it was difficult start because we conceded the goal but the good feeling was that two scores and we come back on the game and we try to score more and more goals.

So we are happy with this result, but we have to keep going because there is the second game and job's not finished. How do you want to play this game? How do you want to conserve now this advantage? There will be a little bit difficult game but we have to try to play our game and I think we will see what's happening there. I wonder whether that might be a difference for Paris Saint-Germain as well, Paul, and we saw it against Liverpool, is that they do play their game, they don't try and alter, I mean it'd be interesting to see whether they do try and sit in with a 3-1 lead, but their style didn't change at Anfield, but maybe that's because they had to go for it, but you watch them all this season in the French league and that's the way that they play, regardless of who they're playing against. And as you say, their performance at Anfield, yes, they were chasing the game, it was a knockout game, but there was no difference to what they did then as to what they did tonight.

I mean, you look at what they did in the play-off to get through to the Champions League, 10-0 against Brest. You'd think that that game was over, that game was done, but they just keep going and keep doing what's been drilled into them. They're a really well-coached team. There's pace, there's power, there's energy and they're going to be tough for whoever they play. I mean it's going to be tough for Villa Bacca, Villa Parc. But Villa will be kicking themselves Deion, they conceded that third goal.

Yeah because they were definitely still in it. Do you think they're not now? No, they are, there's a small the doors slightly ajar Chappers but I just feel that I can't see PSG changing the way they play with any result against any side at any stage because it's working for them what they're doing is working for them so why would they change it they've beat everybody anyway, they've got better players than most so they won't change a thing. They will go to Villa Park and they'll want to do the same as what they did tonight and dominate the game and dominate the ball. Here's Unai Emery. With 2-1 we were thinking for the next match playing to win and with 3-1 it's still being the same.

We need to win the next match not not only for one goal, for two. But we are here and enjoying and I am very proud of the players and of everything we are in Aston Villa, how we are developing and doing with our increase in our demands and playing here at PSG. We compete fantastic. We compete fantastic and we were close to get good results. At the end with this goal, it's still more or less the same because we will win the next week. I believe Villa Parque is our home. Hopefully we can feel there stronger. Duel's getting better than today, and as well collectively try to have our moment more than we had today. But of course they are still being favorite. They show their power.

They show as well their individual qualities. We needed the fans to be compact, to be disciplined, to be with a lot of covers of the wingers and we did it. But the result is not the best, it is the worst. But still, 90 minutes to play, second leg, and hopefully we can as well, in case we are standing for the rest of time. How much of a difference can your fans make next Tuesday at Villa Park? The atmosphere we had against Bayern Munich in the first European home game was epic. You won the same thing again. And did you see Prince William after the match?

He was here with his son tonight. I don't know if you spoke to him at all. Yeah, we are very proud of everybody supporting us to Villa, the way we are doing and of course to enjoy in Villa Parque next week, the quarter-finals, the Champions League against Spurs, the men, the supporters, the old supporters they were living in 1982, the European winning and the younger supporters. We are going to try to enjoy, to have one day special as well in Villa Parc and try to get our best, try to create a strong atmosphere there supporting and pushing us and we are going to try to face better the match we play today but

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Listen on BBC South. On the Football Daily, listen on BBC Sounds. On the Football Daily podcast, the Champions League debrief. With Mark Chapman, listen on BBC Sounds. Morgan Rogers has said to TNT afterwards, we knew we had to defend well. Errors maybe could have been prevented. We've got another leg to turn it around. We're going to try everything. We're here for a reason, not just to compete, we've

got enough quality to cause any team problems, there's loads of belief in the changing room, no one had us to win the tie in the first place, we've got to keep going, difficult to disagree with any of that, although the errors maybe could have been prevented. Managers will always say goals are preventable when they pull. But were any of them preventable? I think it was more the opposition's quality rather than individual errors. If you pick the bones out of every goal and unpack every goal and go back so many stages of play, there's always somewhere that you could have done better, or your ball retention, or you should have had a tackle here, or something that you could have prevented in a build-up to a goal somewhere along the line but actually the finishes and the way

that PSG played you can't really criticise. I would agree I just think the quality of the player was better. I think Villa did okay and like I said Chabbers it's really hard to play against a team like this that completely suffocate you as soon as you get the ball. They don't care where the ball is or who has the ball or how much time they have. They squeeze in threes and fours. And if all your players are in a very similar area, the area is closed down, you've got nowhere to pass, you've got no out ball. PSG will love it. I think Villa towards the end playing into PSG's hands. It's more than just having an out ball for the second leg isn't it for Unai Emery? Yes, oh without a doubt. So what do they do? We talk constantly about the

options that Villa now have the different players that they can rotate in those attacking areas even in the midfield areas even the full full backs, to a certain extent they have different options. What do PSG do if he plays Ollie and Rashford up front? You know, you're 3-1 down. For me, I think you've got a different game entirely if you play Ollie Watkins and Rashford up front. You've got a different game complete. As a two.

Right. You've got a different game complete. That's personally what I think Villa should do to get in this game early on. With Morgan Rodgers in behind them? I have Morgan Rodgers playing and possibly drop or not drop, leave out probably Kamara, keep McGinnon. What's the difference? There isn't one that just uses the word drop. It's not been used for a long time. Right, so you'd maybe take Kamara out and have McGinnum and Tielemans as a 2 and Rogers just ahead of them.

And then Watkins and Rashford as a 2. Correct, that's what I would do. If you want to get back in this game, you've got to do something drastic. The thing for Villa, the way that PSG play, and we said that they're not gonna change their style of play, the problem that Aston Villa have got, they've got to chase the game, they've got to go after this,

and by doing that, they leave theirself wide open. We saw tonight, we saw the pace, we saw the power, the quality that PSG have got in the final third, soon as Villa open themselves up and leave them vulnerable, they will concede because this team are too good. But then you have to pin them back, don't you? Absolutely, yeah, the best form of defence is attack, if you like. But by doing that, the players that PSG have got, with the pace that they've got, they can and will hurt Aston Villa.

Marc, I'm just going to jump in for a second because a very happy Frenchman has come to... You can see from there the beam of the smile. I'm going goodbye. I'm going to have to bring him in. Stop giggling will you, stop giggling. I'm sorry, that third goal made me really happy Dion, I won't lie. Why, were you a bit worried until there's Julien Leron? I was not worried but I think 2-1 is a win for PSG in the first leg, so you have an advantage before the second leg.

But for Villa, you go home and you think, okay, 2-1, just to go to the deficit, it's doable, Villa Park, great atmosphere, you have to go for it, all of that. 3-1 is a different story. I agree with the boys. If you have to come out against this PSG team with Barco Lang, Vars Kélia, Andoué and Dembele and the midfield that they have, you're going to open up and that's the last thing you want to do against them. So it would be a very difficult approach I think for Emery and his players next week. But the third goal made it, yeah, of course,

made it more comfortable I think. We were in the middle of trying to work out what Unai Emery could do next week to try and pin Paris Saint-Germain back. To sort of expand on that, what's Paris Saint-Germain's biggest weakness at the moment? I guess the high line defensively and you saw you see a couple of times where it was not exploded like it should have been from Villa but even the goal in a certain way I know it's a slightly different attack than a quick transition, but you recover the ball and then it's a 3 v 3 and then you,

this is when, this is still a young team, they don't defend those defensive transitions that well, and then they set pieces and I guess the Pau Torres header at the start of that second half, maybe again they could have done better there. But really this is it, because if you want to go and press them, they are very press resistant. If you want to sit back a bit like today and put 11 men behind the ball, you're going to run and run and run after the ball all the time. And eventually, physically you can't do it for 90 minutes.

And that's how the third goal comes. It's because after running so much behind the ball, after the ball, closing gaps everywhere, trying to double up wide, staying narrow inside, all of that. You can do it of course but it's very demanding mentally and physically and that's how the third goal happened. So it's really difficult. Yeah you can pin them down, you would have to try to go high and force them to play long and some teams, Monaco, Marseille have done it a little bit, even Liverpool are unfilled in the second leg, but they are very good against the press too. This may sound like an arrogant Englishman question, Jules, so I apologise.

How did Paris Saint-Germain manage to get Kovac's Galia as opposed to a Premier League club? That's what I find. It's beyond me, Chapas. It's beyond me. I don't understand how the Premier League game go. I won't understand how the Premier League let him go. I won't lie. And not even just this January because PSG did the kind of background work last summer when they wanted it initially and they just could not agree a fee. Napoli wanted a lot of money for him, over 100 million euros.

So it was difficult. But like, I think at 70 million euros, and I know this is a lot of money, of course, and not every club could afford him obviously I get that but really if you're Man City or Manchester United or Liverpool exactly and yeah there are other players who play wide who have quality on the ball but I thought tonight not everything's perfect of course sometimes there's an extra touch sometimes he loses the ball yeah but the goal is course it goal he scores is just all the quality that he has. And yeah, I'm really amazed. I think the Premier League was made for him but nobody went to get him.

It feels like a big night for Luis Enrique this, actually, with that third goal. We were talking as well about just that relief from him when the third goal went in. Yeah, because again, I mean mean the scoreline is more comfortable But that's obvious, but it's also that That in the character of this young team Showed again and shown again tonight the bit like against City in that in that game here in the league phase Is that you wanted done? It's yeah, you have a lot of the ball. You are the better team Okay, clearly but they they defend they frustrate you, and yeah, just keep, stay patient.

And this is all, this is all Luis Enrique has said to this team for the last six months. Just believe in yourself, believe in your ability, regardless of what the opposition does, what the advertiser is, you have to still believe in what you're good at. And it's just moving the ball like they did today and taking their chances. Jules, what's changed in this team? What's changed since the defeat to Arsenal? They look a different team. Obviously he's worked on them and there's been changes during the season, but they look a completely different team to the one that lost at Arsenal at the beginning of the season. Yeah, you're right. Absolutely. Since October, it's just not the same story at all. Dembele moving centrally is big. I mean he was dropped for that Arsenal game because he had a disagreement and a bit of a fight with Luis Enrique so he was

left at home. Him centrally and you saw in the second half the little tweak from Luis Enrique to make him drop even deeper so then if you were Konza and Pau Torres you could not really go with him and he had more space and then from there he can just orientate the game that's the first one, I mean Desiree Dwey again the goal today, the first goal is just incredible but for somebody who's 19 he started at Arsenal and was out of his depth and for him to have worked his way in and now being this quality at such a young age is ridiculous and yeah everything clicked in midfield as well, the balance there, Vitinhaves and Riz and I just I just think they went from strength to strength. Stay there all of you I'll come back to you all just before we hand to Tony Levesy at half-time but let's get some filler reaction

here's Matty Cash with Rob Noffman. Well Matty Cash joins us now a tough old night that was a lot of effort how important do you think that third goal was right at the end? Yeah obviously it was a tough night we knew coming here it was going to be tough we watched a few of the games and obviously they dominated Liverpool I think here they got unlucky to lose it was a tough night I think we defended the box really well to be honest and I think at the end we were unfortunate and unlucky to concede the third but yeah we got Villa part next week you know I think it'd be a different game and the manager spoke in there and just said it's only half time

you know we've still got another 90 minutes to play and as I said then at home we're really strong so we're more than capable to score two, three goals at home but yeah I think we're all proud of the boys you know I think we come here we played okay we defended the box well as I said and we'll learn from it and we'll move on. It was a cauldron of an atmosphere. It's one thing getting yourself ready for it. It's another thing actually actually managing to cope with it. Have you played in much louder atmospheres than that?

Yeah, I have actually. I think when I play for the country when we travel away, there's always a few loud stadiums. But tonight was I loved it. You know, I love going out there and playing in the big games, playing in the Champions League quarter-finals, sort of a kick-yourself moment. We wanted to compete better, obviously. Not compete better, we wanted a better result. But yeah, at the end of the day, we've come a long way, you know, and it's only half-time. We're more than capable to go on and win the game.

And you feel that you'll be able to do to them pretty much what they did to you tonight? As I said, we've got to respect them and they're probably favourites still in the tournament if we're all honest, but I think at Hiller Park we feel confident there. As I said, we're on a good run there. We've got our fans with us and I think it will be a different game. We're going to try and make it a different game and look forward to it. And one last question about Emi Martinez. He's able to cope with all of the stick that he was getting from those fans. He must be quite a character to come through all of that. Yeah he's a big character, he's, I wouldn't want anyone else in goal to be honest. Behind me he defends the goal so well,

he's such a good goalkeeper, brings that experience and that character to the team you know and I think tonight as well he pulled off some fantastic saves and yeah great to have him behind us. Luis Enrique said to television after us, that was Matty Cash by the way, we pulled off some fantastic saves and yeah, great to have him behind us. Luis Enrique said to television after us, that was Matty Cash by the way, we tried to control the game, control the chances, we were consistent with our confidence, it was difficult to accept their goal but I think we deserved to win the match and to score in the last minute was great for our confidence. We'll now think about the second leg and that will be difficult for sure. Borussia Dortmund were beaten 4-0 by Barcelona, of course Arsenal beat Real Madrid 3-0 last night,

Inter beat Bayern 2-1, so they're the first legs done and dusted. Matty Cash says Paris Saint-Germain are favourites for the tournament. Let's start with you Paul Robertson. Who are your favourites for the tournament after the first legs? Well on that showing, I mean I've not watched Barcelona or Dortmund first hand but you look at the Barcelona result tonight, it's hard to rule them out of the equation. PSG obviously were in the conversation before tonight, having watched them first hand, whoever played them tonight, if they can put in a performance like that, whether it be a quarter final, a semi final, a final a one-off game, I'd fancy them to win any game if they play like they did tonight.

Dion, who are your favourites? Yeah, I agree Robbo, I'd go PSG as well. I just think with that quality, working with that mindset, happy to work really hard together, holding each other accountable. Yes, they've got a great work ethic and they've got some great players so I would go PSG. Connor? PSG, is this to win the whole thing? Yeah, yeah. Barcelona did have a very good win tonight, and they've got Bayern Inter. Arsenal had a very good win last time. They did, they did.

To be interesting I'm going to right here on the fence here, to be interesting, I'm going to say Barcelona. You're going to say Barcelona and let's find out who Jules will go for and whether he was to curse his own team. You know the heart obviously says PSG, I would obviously love that and I think this is the best team that we've had at this club for a very long time and this is a massive chance for them. I wouldn't want to face this front three of Barcelona because I think Rafinha, Lewandowski and Yamal have been incredible too. I think Inter could defend well against anybody really. The heart was a PhD, the head was Barcelona. Alright, Jules, Paul, Conor, Dion, thank you very much. That's it for the Football Daily. The next episode will have all the reaction to Thursday's Europa League games.

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