Football Daily - England beat Andorra but Tuchel’s side still lack inspiration

Episode Date: September 6, 2025

Ian Dennis is joined by former England defenders Matt Upson and Phil Jones after England’s 2-0 win over Andorra at Villa Park. Thomas Tuchel’s side stay top of Group K with 12 points and no goals conceded, but it was another flat performance against the world’s 174th-ranked side. Nottingham Forest’s Elliot Anderson impressed on his debut, but questions remain about England’s lack of creativity and heavy reliance on Harry Kane. Plus, reaction from Thomas Tuchel, Elliot Anderson and Noni Madueke, and a look ahead to Tuesday’s tougher test away to Serbia.TIMECODES:0:41 – England’s flat display at Villa Park 10:50 – Noni Madueke reflects on the win 13:29 – Elliott Anderson’s debut assessed 19:29 – Thomas Tuchel gives his verdict 24:57 – Reaction from Elliott Anderson 27:35 – Closing thoughts from Villa Park

BBC Sounds, music, radio, podcasts. You're listening to the Football Daily podcast. Listen on BBC Sounds. Hello and welcome to the Football Daily podcast with me, Ian Dennis, where it's finished England 2 and Dora Nill at Villa Park. And I'm joined by two former England defenders in Matt Ubson and Phil Jones. England then four wins from four in Group K. They are five points clear of Serbia,

who they meet in Belgrade on Tuesday night. We all once again have commentary from Belgrade on Tuesday night on BBC Radio 5 live. But Matt, the performance once again at times was a hard watch. Yeah, yeah, tough watch and not the kind of riveting, edgy your seat type stuff. But if I'm honest, I think it's a little step too far to expect that in this fixture. I will say that. But you want to see a little bit more, then I know. No, would you agree that you want to see something a little bit more from England

in terms of speed of the passing, aggressive decisions, physicality, keeping it simple. I think it can easily get too complex because there's so many patterns and touches and moves, whereas the simple things in that game created something because top quality that's done in a world-class way that's really simple is hard to play against. And I think when England delivered that, we're at our best. And for me, that's where the goal's going through. What do you think, Phil? Too safe?

A little bit. But I have to defend England a little bit. It's so difficult to play against that. So difficult to break them down. They were so, I mean, you just put any sort of bodies in the box around there. It's very difficult to find a space to play the little combinations that they're used to play in. And even when, you know, even when England have got the ball and they're playing the little passes into the midfield, hoping they can drag and provoke a press from the Andorra.

that it was absolutely none of that at all. So even to drag the players out to play around them, there wasn't even any of that. So very, very difficult to find space. At times, you've got the centre half, Dan Byrne and Konzer who finished the game. They're almost in positions that way you're thinking they could have a profit goal.

I know I might have been tempted to the game. But listen, it's a difficult game. It's probably not one that will go down in the history. But, you know, there's a lot of, it'll be a much, much better game on Tuesday night and I think we'll learn a lot more. Well, Eric in Somerset has got in touch on the socials. He says, I'm actually quite pleased with this.

Sure, a few more goals would have been nice, but England have been quick, inventive. Lots of fast interchanges and positive play. A work in progress, sure, but lots to like today. That's Eric in Somerset. But, Matt, what does Thomas Tuchel learn from a game like this, from a team that are 174th in the world? I think it's really hard to learn a lot from this game.

I think he'll learn that he likes Elliot Anderson. I think he'll have a look at him playing in one of his teams and think, I really like this lad. He gets about the pitch. He looks for action. That's what I like about him. He goes searching for a bit of action, didn't he, Anderson? He's that type of player.

I thought he had an excellent game in the heart of midfield. But I think the frustration that he will feel will be from realizing that it's really difficult, like Phil said, playing these matches. won't have experienced anything quite like this in consecutive fashion in the matches that he's been in charge for England. So many of them have been. There you go. You have the ball. Right, what are you going to do? So many of them have been like that. And I don't think he would have experienced that as a coach to this degree. So it's new for him as well. So if anything, he's on

very much that learning curve of right, well, how do we actually go about being better in these games and maybe being more clinical? Perhaps it is by being a bit more simple and a bit more direct and just, you know, putting balls in areas of the pitch and asking questions of Andorra a little bit more as opposed to having to be real intricate, twinkle toe, clever football all the time, which is great. But does it get the job done as easily as something that may be a little bit more direct at times? Yeah, I mean, I look at the, there was maybe two transition moments in the whole game, one in the first half, one in the second half. The first half, you know, Tushel was a frustrated figure.

I think it was Elliot Anderson that just misplaced a pass and they had a great chance of releasing in Rashford down the left-hand side. Those little details in games like this really matter, really count. I think the second one in the second half was Rashford, where Declan Rice has powered forward with the ball, and he just delayed the past too long. Again, those little fine details, that those are the moments in the big games that are going to,

you know, you're going to come out on top. Rest defense, you're talking about. I think for me, looking at the rest of really good all through the game, I think there's just one moment where Gerhe's giving the ball away in the first half. they broke I think down this left-hand side and Dan Byrne didn't get across maybe quick enough but got there in the end I'm thinking

if that's against a higher opposition a better opposition that could end up in a goal so it's those little moments in terms of sort of defensively and those transition moments but listen it's a difficult game you're trying to pick out the bits but we are literally picking out bare minimum

out of the game you'll always learn something won't you be it good or bad you know every game throws something up that you see your players do and you go, oh, be it as minute as it can be, there'll always be something that you pull away from that. But I don't think we've seen anything

of Thomas Tuchel's identity as yet in his five games in charge, or have we? I don't think there's something that jumps out that tells you, oh, right, is going to go this way. I don't see that, but... I think Senegal was the disappointment one. Yes. I think that was the first real test.

test have really showed, because they're a strong opposition or strongish opposition, that was a test and didn't come out on top of that one. So I think that was sort of his audition of trying to sort of for the fans to see what what an England side should look like. But that was a big changed team, wasn't it? And it was a changed team. So you look at that and go, well, it'd been great to see that opposition against the team that had a Bellingham, Rice, you know, Sacker, stones, all the players that you think, right,

they're probably more nailed on to be starting if they're fitting available. we haven't seen that team go out there against an opposition like that. So we're still a little bit in that phase where it's a little bit of guesswork, to be honest. The thing is, though, we're 278 days away from the World Cup, which seems a long way. But when you then put that into sharp focus,

you think Serbia on Tuesday, then Wales and Latvia are two games in October, Serbia and Albania, the two remaining qualifiers in November, and then there'll be two more games in March, and that's it. Yeah. So we're talking seven matches of football for Thomas Tuchel then to try and finalize his plans.

And I still think there are a lot of questions more than answers. Huge, huge questions. And also, you know, we already know what the opposition are going to be bar the two March matches. So, you know, it's not jumping out of you to say, well, we're going to get really tested by this team. There will be certain tests in different ways, but not at that level that we were speaking about

against teams you're going to come up against in a World Cup quarterfinal or a semi-final or even in the last 16. It's not an easy path to really hone this team and get it where you need it to be. And it's going to challenge Thomas Tuchel in every single way to get England to a place where you feel like they're going to be competitive into that World Cup. I think he's capable for sure. But it's going to be really challenging. You've both played for England in a World Cup tournament in the finals.

Nine months out from that tournament, did you have an awareness or were you able to gauge thinking, all right, we've got a settled team here going into that, even in this position, nine months away from a tournament? Absolutely. 100%. But I had a head coach in Capello who had a two-year buildup into the tournament, which is your ideal.

So you have those whole two years to work with those players into that tournament. And we all knew our kind of the pecking order in terms of selection. and we kind of, that was a pattern that he showed time and time again. We kind of knew that. I knew what he wanted defensively. You know, he brought that Italian defensive kind of ideas and worked a lot on that on the training pitch,

which I learned a lot from. So, yes, we had some structure. The tournament didn't go well, but that was for me for different reasons. But we certainly had that structure going into that tournament. And I think people looked at the team to go, this team's got a chance. The thing is, Phil, is that there's obviously

there's no palmer, there's no soccer, there's no Bellingham, there's no Foden. Alexander Arnold and Walker are not in this squad as well. He's used 29 players in his five games so far. I still get the impression he's still working things out, still tinkering. Oh, without shadow of doubt, there's no way in his mind now that he'll know, you know, he'll have an idea of what sort of team he wants to put out in the first game of the World Cup.

But that's if everyone's fit and everyone's playing at the top of the game. And we all know that that's not the case in any tournament going in. You'll always get, I mean, touch wood, but you always get one or two injuries that pick up before the tournament starts and you know that throws a spanner in the works but listen I think the players are learning just as much of Tushal as we're learning off Thomas is you know starting 11

the way he likes to play the systems he likes to play so I think we do need to you know allow him time and he deserves that and he's a top manager so I'm sure he'll get it right but I think you know we're trying to pick the bones out of the game today it's very very difficult it's hard it's very very difficult just discussed how far away we are from the World Cup should of course

England qualify and a handly place to do so I've got Pickford, Gahey, Rice, Saka, Bellingham and Cain are certain starters from an England starting 11. That means that there's still five places they're up for grabs if everybody is fit. Unless you can think of, I still think there are question marks over the fullbacks, who partners Gahey, who plays in the centre of midfield with Rice,

left-hand side of attack. I think you're about right, that's a lot, isn't it? You don't think at this stage to think, well, that's half a time. team. So you've got a spine of a team and then everything around it is up for grab still. And I genuinely believe it is. I think the manager might have his preferences or how he feels. And again, that selection, because you've got such a wide variety of player to choose from, really, certainly in the attacking wide areas, that you're going to have to decide that on how

you're going to play. Because certain formation systems, how are you going to go about things, are going to suit people differently. So you're always, you're going to have to decide. was going to start to select those players based on that. Let's go to the tunnel. John Murray. Yes, with Nonny Madweke. Noni 2-0 against Andorra. What do you think? Yeah, we won the game. World Cup qualifier,

clean sheet, two goals, so I'm happy. You were involved in the first goal and I mean, they've proved again, haven't they, that they are actually tough nuts to crack? Yeah, they are tough nuts to crack. When you play against 11 players in 30 meters of space, it's going to be hard for every single team in the world.

But I think today was definitely better than the last time we played them. We were more fluid, and I feel like we took more risks in this game. And, yeah, to be honest, two-nows is probably, you know, I don't want to say flattering, but we should have scored more. So overall, I'm happy with a team collective performance. Yeah, and to provide the ball that led. to the goal. You know, that's the quality you need, isn't it?

Yeah, I feel like that's a winger's job. If you have the honour of playing for your country, you have to be able to create and maybe be that bit of magic to create the spark to get the first call and then the game opens up a bit more. Still very early days of your England career, but give us a view on the man who was making his debut

from the start, Elliot Anderson. Yeah, no, I knew he was top before because when we played Nottingham Forest, he's always like so good so yeah I knew he would play like that he was amazing and he looked at home as well so it's going to be a different matter on Tuesday isn't it in Belgrade? Why, why?

Well, you're away from home against what is on paper the toughest match in the group. I guess we'll see you right? You will see. Right, we'll see you there. Thanks, honey. Well done today. Cheers. We'll be back with John for more reaction in the tunnel at Villa Park. We've had some more reaction on the socials, John.

I know the prevailing narrative is that a winner is a win but this really isn't good enough and we should be winning this game by several goals competition at the World Cup will be a lot stiffer than this Dan moan moan moan it's all fans ever do it's even more boring than the England team itself

no matter what England do everyone would moan and Chris all of the comments about how we should be far more energetic and because we'll get torn to shreds at the World Cup I think are failing to understand this from the player's mindset they're at the beginning of a very busy campaign will have a lot of games when they're going to be exerting energy and might want to have something left in the tank for the World Cup

if they're 100 miles an hour every game for 50 games this season they'll be spent come the World Cup thank you for all your thoughts thank you for getting in touch Noni Madewaker and John touched upon Elliot Anderson and his debut very very impressive it was it was and I think that's something that you know you say about Thomas Tuchel what did he take from the game he would have certainly took that he can look at that player maybe trust and rely on him.

I thought he had a brilliant way about him, lovely mannerisms, lovely aggressive way. He goes about winning the ball and certainly had the character to get on the ball, which was important. You know,

so easy to come into this kind of squad, fresh into it, just been called in and not really be yourself and just kind of just water it down a little bit, being a little bit cautious. He wasn't that.

He really showed some character which I think was really important. Phil, When the squad was initially selected, Thomas Tuckel was saying that Elliot Anderson was as an eight and he thought that Adam Wharton, before his injury, could play as the six. I spoke to Elliot the other day and he said that his combative skills, he likes to get a tackle in, he thinks he can play as that six. Do you think he could? Yeah, absolutely. I think he's got the ability, certainly, to play as a six and as an eight.

I mean, just look at him today. I just love the sort of maturity he plays with beyond his years. he's the way he receives the ball, he's passing ability, he's aggressive, he's strong in the tackle. He played really well today and, albeit against Andorra, but you're still, you know, he impressed me in the, I watched the 21s in the summer. I thought he was terrific in the 21s, absolutely terrific. He was that sort of focal point. He was, he's a leader out there. Yeah, really impressed for him. Hopefully he can stay fit. Have a really good season. And, you know, I'm sure we'll see him, hopefully, in the squad in the summer. I think it's really important as well that under 21 plays.

see that kind of progression from there as well. Yeah, they see a pathway. I think so. As a young player, having been in that position, to know that you could make that step from the 21s to the seniors like that, because of those showings, you're not just what you're doing at a club level, but how you're playing for the under 21s,

I think that's a really good thing to have. Well, Phil, you jogged my memory in the commentary because in the under 21s, they're back-to-back European champions, they can play with a freedom. And Thomas Tuchel is saying that when you come to the seniors, there's a different scrutiny, a different level of pressure. You've both been there.

What's it like then when you make that step up from the under 21s to the full glare of a senior international? I think it's having the capacity to still play with that freedom when the pressure's even higher than what it was at the 21s. I think everyone who comes into the senior side tends to do that. I mean, Elliot Anderson's done that today. But I think it's the pressure overall of, you know, there's so many eyes on you more than watching the 21s

that, you know, you've got to deliver. You might only get one opportunity. You might only get half a game. You might only get 10 minutes. But when you come on that pitch and when you have the ball at your feet, especially for Elliot Anderson, you deliver. And he certainly did that today.

For me, it was the belief that you deserve to be there. I think that's something you can't kind of manufacture or kid yourself on. You have to really truly believe that you should be in and around that group of players. But the manager wants you as well. Absolutely. And believe in that, you know,

until you go and do it, sometimes that just confirms it to you and then you go from there and you build and you grow with that and that's why I always find it impressive like what I saw today with Anderson that he stepped in there because that shows you that he really does have some inner belief

because you're new into the group you're fresh in and you still perform with that kind of you know that that personality which he had today he played like he knew he belonged there today that's absolutely and that can't be an easy thing when you're making your debut

no it's not I mean you know everyone will talk about it's Andor but you're playing for England at the senior level there's no higher competition than that and listen I really like him I like the characteristics he's got about his game

and the maturity shows on the pitch yeah he's a terrific player and also you've got Adam Wharton who's pulled out through injury but he's an interesting possibility as well he could be another long-term addition to this England squad absolutely I mean we could be sat here

talking about him having performed at a really high level today because I think in this kind of game he would have done It's so unfortunate for him that he misses out because of injury because I think he's really earned and worked hard, been through the processes, been with the 21s, obviously went away to the Euros, didn't get much action and it's been in and around that conversation for a little while now. And his skill set lends itself is slightly different to Anderson and he's a little bit more of ticks the ball over a little bit better, I shall say, but maybe doesn't quite have that out of possession edge that Anderson has and the ability to get about the pitch as well. They're a little bit different, but nonetheless, in these kind of games, I think Wharton is so simple and quick in what he does that he can have a really big impact.

There's also Ruben Loftus Cheek, who hasn't played for England for nearly seven years. He's playing a little bit higher up for A.C. Milan, but he was drafted in when Wharton pulled out through injury. And certainly listening to Thomas Tuchel, I think he's going to probably play him if he does play him in a deeper role because he mentioned him with people such as Declan Rice, Anderson, and also Jordan Henderson. who is on the bench. So that is something to bear in mind. The Women's Football Weekly has found a new home.

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manager Thomas Tuchel with John Murray. Yes, Thomas you are live on the BBC on Five Live with an honest assessment on that performance?

I like the performance. I think it's a good performance, solid performance against a low block. We knew that. I think the second goal comes too late to play maybe with 100% freedom

and that is needed to score more. So we created a lot of chances but we didn't convert them. So we had to wait a long time until the second goal and then we had from the substitutions good energy and we could just feel

okay now is the second goal nothing can happen and we could feel a bit more freedom and of course it's also a signal to the opponent okay the game is over and it simply does something to us and of course to the opponent we had to wait a little bit long

until the second one but in general with the effort and the attitude I'm totally satisfied and it was a much better performance than in chew exactly as you flagged up over the course of the last week

trying to play through chewing gum that kind of thing it was exactly that wasn't So I take it from what you're saying there. You're not going to get too hung up. Yeah, it is. It was exactly that. And then you need a little spark, individual quality,

maybe a difficult cross to defend, like we had an own goal. And then they defended a chance on the touchline. And then we had like some big misses to score earlier. I think if we scored a second goal earlier, then we have a big chance to score three, four, five goals. And we would have a total different. feeling. I think it would have been deserved to win

4-0-5-0. We didn't make it but the focus is on the good things now. It was a good step and proof of concept is on Tuesday. I guess you'll be certainly pleased with Elliot Anderson's debut. You had no qualms about putting him straight in. No, that was the test for him.

I mean we want to have all the options of course for Belgrade and then we thought like okay let's try it today and then we see if he is ready so to give him a debut in Belgrade would maybe be a bit unfair because we expect a very emotional, a game, emotional crowd and a very physical opponent, but he did excellent, I would say, excellent debut, excellent performance overall.

So should we expect very, very different on Tuesday? I think we will have the ball a lot. Again, we will again have to break down a deep block, 5-4-1. But the wingbacks of Serbia will be more offensive than the wingbacks. the strikers will be closer together are more physical with more quality so it will be a more physical game and of course the setting and away game in Serbia

we know what's coming and we've got to be ready very good we'll see you there thank you Thomas thank you John commentary of course Serbia against England from Belgrade on Tuesday from 745 all the buildup from 5 past 7 on 5 live sport and it will be different it will be intimidating that Oh, it will for sure. But, you know, I think Anderson is the type of mentality that maybe could have cope.

It was a great game for him to come into here and get that taster. You know, these are the kind of positives that Thomas Tuchel's taking out of the game. You could hear he was a lot happier with the performance, which I think, you know, he's right to say that. You were the one away from home, which wasn't great, was it? You know, this wasn't anything like that. But it is, as we've said, time and time again, it's a difficult thing to break down that amount of body. Regardless of the standard, it's just so clustered in one area. I think the lack of shots on target was something for me that they, that probably was the only mark that I thought they could

have made a little bit more of the possession and had more opportunities at goal, maybe even shots from range. But, you know, I think it's very much a move on from this game and onwards and upwards for England. Your initial answer, Phil, was saying, I feel I've got to defend England. that in many ways, Thomas, you've echoed what Thomas Tuchel said where he said it was a solid performance. Yeah, and it was exactly that. It's so difficult. I don't really understand the moans and groans against it.

Like we just said then, you put 11 players at any level I'm talking about, at park football, whatever, you put 11 players behind a ball sitting on the edge of the box, you will find it tough to score a goal. I guess the counter argument is if that was a France or a Germany, how many would have they put past Andorra? But that's maybe the question you would ask. But look, they've beaten Andorra 2-0. They created a number of good chances.

Very difficult for Harry Kane. As we touched on in commentary, no space to work in. Four or five players around him all the time. And as Matt said, maybe we could have seen a few more shots from outside the box rather than trying to force your way in and maybe play that extra pass. But look, it's 2-0. If we win, you know, Tuesday night, everyone's saying it's a really good camp. So I think we need to calm down a little bit in terms of, you know, the moans and groans.

Well, certainly from an England point of view, they've now extended their unbeaten run in World Cup qualifiers to 35. And so they've won 27 and they've drawn 8. That is the best of any current European side, which is not a record to be scoffed at when you think that Italy has struggled for World Cups. Germany lost to Slovakia the other night. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, Italy, either winner trophy or don't qualify.

There's kind of no middle ground there at all. Back to John Murray with the man of the match in many ways, Elliot Anderson. Yes, I think so. Elliot Anderson, winner of your first senior England cap here today. How are you feeling? Yeah, really happy. I think it was obviously the main aim was to come here and get three points. Yeah, and we've done that.

So I think it's positive from that aspect. And yeah, making my debut was really proud. When did you get the world? that you were going to be starting? Just this morning. Yeah, we found out the team this morning. Did you have an inkling? No, not really.

It's 50-50, I think. But yeah, I found out this morning and rang my family and told them. So what did all that involve, you know, controlling of emotions? Yeah, just staying calm, I think, was the main thing. Trying to just rise to the occasion

and do my football, which I think I'd done. But, yeah, probably I was quite nervous as you would be but yeah just putting on a good performance was the main thing do you normally get nervous um not as nervous as that no you know when you're nervous what effect does that have on you clearly not much um i've always quite like nerves to be honest um i feel like it helps my game i've got a little bit of pressure on me so yeah i quite like that to be honest and um yeah it was good today who was here from the family um my mom and dad were two brothers my friends

and girlfriend so yeah and when you achieve something like this today you're still a very young man but thinking back to where you've been what you've done you know which figures what things come to mind in terms of what

has made you and got you to where you are today I think just hard work and sticking to what I'm doing and training every day and working watching these games and aspiring to be there really and then yeah using it as motivation to be on the highest stage and the under 21s clearly must have helped you

yeah definitely I think that was a huge factor possibly in me being here so I got used to tournament football and performing on on that stage which yeah really enjoyed that well done today Elliot thank you well done look forward to the next one Elliot Anderson England International walks off down the corridor at Villa Park Thank you John. He keeps up the fine tradition of those who've played for Walsend Boys up in their Newcastle, Shearer, Peter Beardsley, Michael Carrick, some great players who've gone on to represent their country and the latest in that line is Elliot Anderson. We're coming to an end here of our broadcast at Villa Park.

Matt Upson and Phil Jones. What are your final thoughts then of the evening? Well, I just think it's a great opportunity for England to move into the next game. It builds it nicely, doesn't it, for the tough game away in Serbia. Like Thomas Tuchel said, there's going to be a much bigger challenge physically the way Serbia play and deal with the atmosphere. And I think it'll be the first really big test for him as a head coach in an international game at a place like that. And I think that's going to be a factor in that game. Do you think Serbia will defend as deep as Andorra did?

And as what Thomas Tuchel has alluded to, do you think there might be a little bit, show a little bit more ambition? Yeah, they won't be as deep as Andora. They're going to want to take the game to England, but they're going to try and hit on the counter attack. I'll assume they'll probably give up a bit of possession, but certainly not the kind of territory that Andorra did, and it's going to be that kind of game. But it will be one of those where you're going to have to box clever.

You're going to have to tactically get it right. There's going to be certain counters that are going to happen, and it's going to be much more of a clash as opposed to one team having to probe the whole game. I've got to say, Phil, as an observer, being in that stadium in Belgrade, is one of the most intimidating I've ever come across as a commentator, but as a player, what's it like?

Yeah, it's incredibly intimidating. Fans are very fanatic. You know, it's a tough place to play football, especially going there as an opposition. Listen, it'll be a much more firmer test. There's no doubt about that. But, you know, we're talking about what area of the pitch will they sort of sit, where will they press from?

I think, you know, Andorra today, even on the halfway line, they had no ambition of even going to close the ball down. I think it'll be a lot different on Tuesday night. Serbia will probably, you know, from the halfway line or midway through the half, they will look to sort of press and wait for that count or wait for those transition moments and try and catch England on the break. It'd be a lot more physical game for sure, as Thomas Tuchel mentioned in post-commentary. Look, it's going to be, we're going to know a lot more, shall we say, after Tuesday night

and what Thomas Tushel's team should look like and play like. But in many ways that could suit England, couldn't it? If they do start to come out and play a little bit more? Absolutely. You know, it suits England. much, much better when, you know, you look today, I said in commentary, you know, Andorra, when you try and play little passes into midfield and you're hoping the Andorans come and little press so you can pop one round them, never happened, never even engaged in any sort

of press at all. So it'll be much different Tuesday night. There will be spaces to attack. Can we attack with, you know, even tonight, you're looking at hoping there's going to be a 2v3 or a 3v2 situation on the transition for England to go and break down the Andorans. But it never even evolved into that, but you will get that on. Tuesday night. There will be spaces. There will be times to counter quickly and hopefully we can get a positive result. And Matt England are four from four in Group K, the five points clear of Serbia. So avoid defeat and it's another step towards the United States next summer. It's a great start to the campaign. You know, results wise, we're fantastic. You know,

there's no complaints on that. But, you know, it's just keep building, keep getting the confidence and build that team spirit and rhythm and see where it takes us. Matt, Phil, thank you for your company. have commentary of Serbia, England from Belgrade on Tuesday evening on Five Live Sport. This is the Football Daily podcast from Five Life Sports. He scored goals, lifted trophies and broken

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