Football Daily - England still 100% in World Cup qualifiers

Episode Date: November 13, 2025

Thomas Tuchel's England make it 10 competitive clean sheets in a row against Serbia as their 100% record in World Cup 2026 qualifiers continues thanks to goals from Eberechi Eze and Bukayo Saka. Former England goalkeeper Paul Robinson, former England defender Phil Jones and Senior Football Reporter Ian Dennis join Steve Crossman to discuss England's 2-0 win over Serbia. They reflect on the match, and whether England's good form is due to the quality of opposition - do they need to be targeting tougher friendlies in the build up to next summer's tournament? They talk about the selection dilemmas awaiting Thomas Tuchel - who will make up the forward line, and who will start at left back? Manchester City's Nico O'Reilly talks about his first England start with the World Cup on the horizon. Plus, hear from goal scorer Bukayo Saka on his goal and his recent good form. Plus hear from England manager Thomas Tuchel - the panel discuss whether he could remain in charge after next summer, regardless of the result.Time Codes: 00:30 – Match Reflections 03:40 – Concern over quality of opposition? 08:30 – Eberechi Eze chat and England’s forward options 09:50 – Selection problems for Thomas Tuchel? 13:25 – Nico O’Reilly Interview 17:35 – Bukayo Saka Interview 18:50 – Thomas Tuchel Future 20:30 – Thomas Tuchel5 Live / BBC Sounds commentaries: Sun 1430 Tottenham v Arsenal in Women’s Super League, Sun 1700 Albania v England in World Cup Qualifying, Tue 1945 Scotland v Denmark in World Cup Qualifying.

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podcast, England beats Serbia by two goals to nil at Wembley to continue their perfect record in World Cup qualification. That's nine competitive clean sheets in a row. Of course, we already know they're going to be at the finals next summer. Paul Robinson, Phil Jones and our senior football reporter Ian Dennis all with us. Baccio Saka and Aberichiezer with two beautiful goals. We haven't learned much, Phil, if we're being honest, but at least the fans got to see that. Yeah, I think it was a dominant performance, I think, without being a vintage England performance. There was always going to be a lot of space in the second half with Serbia needing to get a result out of the game, so there was always going to be a lot of space and a lot of chances

for England to exploit. I think they did that. I think they created quite a few chances on a number of occasions. Perhaps they could have been a bit more clinical in front of goal. I do think, however, there was a 10 minute, 15 minute spell period where Serbia had a half couple of chances and I think my only worry about today, not a worry, but I think my only worry, but I think my only thing would be to say potentially that if they were coming up against stronger opposition, I think in those 10-15-minute spell that they could have conceded a goal.

There's part of me, Paul, that sort of feels it felt a bit more like early, early Thomas Tuchel than what we've seen in the last couple of England performances. It wasn't really that dynamic, but then it didn't need to be. Really good way to sum it up, Steve, in all honesty. Yeah, when we first saw Thomas Tuchel take over in the early stages, and it was, what, two or three, four games, Maybe more. We were just waiting, weren't we?

We were just, well, we've not really seen much of a change. The formation's kind of the same. The personnel's kind of the same. And the tempo wasn't really in the games. And I think that's exactly what it was tonight. And for him to say that he's not going to use these as a test, as an experiment. He clearly did at some point tonight because he made those four substitutions on the hour mark. He wanted to see Phil Foden in that false nine.

He's tried something, whether it worked or not. He'll maybe talk about it after the game. I don't think it was given long enough so you can actually decide whether it worked or not but actually I completely agree with you and that's a really really good way of summing it up it was like his first three or four games we didn't learn anything from this evening

I always feel stupid after England have won and kept a clean sheet in doing sort of critical talking points but it's what you've got to do because England want to win the World Cup so at some point they need to look like a team capable of doing it is that a concern then Paul because more recently it started to feel

like England of growing into an identity under Thomas Tuchel. So is it a bit of a concern to see a backward step, even if it's only sort of a half backward step? Yeah, that's what it is. I mean, I don't think it's a particularly big backward step. I think it's a performance from a team that was shuffled about, say, on the hour mark. And let's not forget, they're playing against the tough opposition, whether they turned up properly or not tonight.

But they've only lost three of the last 27 World Cup qualifiers away from home, Serbia, unbeaten in the last seven away from home before coming here this evening. and it was always going to be a tough ass because they were a team obviously wounded from England's 5-0 victory in Serbia and actually they had to win or get something tonight to keep their World Cup hopes alive. So it wasn't ever going to be easy for England

but actually if you take the critical side out of it we can all criticise and it's easy to pick holes and say this didn't work, that didn't work. Actually there's another three points, there's another clean sheet and there's another two goals. So actually Thomas Tuka will look at that and go okay look at the group now, played 7-1-7, scored 20 conceded none.

What more do you want? And look, it's not, Phil, Thomas Tuchel's fault that England got relegated from that Nation's League group, clearly. But some people will say, nine clean sheets in a row, great, competitively that is. Obviously, they lost in the friendly to Senegal. Spain with 10 from a decade ago is the only team ever to get 10 consecutive competitive games without conceding a goal. That is really, really impressive.

But people will look at the quality of opposition and say, yes, but who have you played? Yeah, no, I agree with you. I echo what Robo just said, and I think the narrative around England for the last 10 years has always been very negative. And even when you win a game, it's always easy to pick out the negatives and the things that didn't go wrong.

Robo's nailed it there, you know. The clean sheets, the games they've played, the wins they've had, terrific. My only reservation would be the fact that I think, if I'm right and saying it's Spain the last time they played, in the final, the last time they played a top 10 team. Yeah. How many times are they going to go now

before the tournament and play a top 10 team until they probably, depending on the group stage and the teams are drawn against, how many teams are they going to play in the top 10 until they get to hopefully, maybe the quarters? That's got to be the worry. I mean, okay, they might have a couple of friendlies before the World Cup,

but those friendlies tend to be dependent on who they've got drawn in the group, i.e. if they get drawn against an African team, are they trying to play an African team to get that style of football? It still might not be a top 10 team. So, I mean, it's almost no fault of their own because they're out of the Nations League and that would have impacted it massively.

but I think it's got to be a slight worry. I don't know what you guys think. The two teams, Phil, who they're talking about playing in March, and nothing's been confirmed, and it's only been discussed at this stage, but it wouldn't be a top 10 opposition. You'd be looking to catch you. Is that a worry then? Is that a worry, the fact that the next time England play a top 10 team,

it could be in the quarters and the semis? Well, it would be Uruguay and Japan, who are in the top 20. Uruguay currently ranked 15th and Japan and 19th. So it would certainly be a step up on the opposition that they've played, but other than that, might have a preparation game in America, obviously, before the World Cup. But you're probably thinking the top 10 opposition is going to come then in the latter stages of the World Cup should England progress.

Yeah, it's an interesting one that, Paul, because if that's what they're going to go for in March, I wonder if there's an argument when they get to sort of warm up games, whether or not, rather than doing what you would normally do, which is, let's say you are in a group with a top African nation, what you might do, you might try and play a nation like Cameroon, for example, who aren't going to be at the World Cup, and it just gives you that opportunity to play against a team from that continent. It happens all the time. Yeah, it does. But would they be better off actually trying to play the biggest nation they can play before the tournament, because it's not an experience they've had recently? Not necessarily

because you want to go into a tournament full of confidence. A tough test, yes, but a tough test that you can overcome and go into a tournament full of confidence. And I'm not so sure, in all honesty, how much say the England manager would get in the opposition, whether that's a decision that's taken above him from a commercial point of view, from a logistic point of view, and from an availability point of view in all honesty. If you ask the England manager, he may want a tough test, whether that's possible or not. I strongly suggest that that's taken in the FAA somewhere and the England manager really doesn't get a say as to who plays. They may have some kind of an input. I don't know. That's just my thinking. I think going into

a tournament, yes, you do need a stern test. Yes, you do need good opposition, but you need a stern test and good opposition that you're going to score a couple of goals past and get some confidence. I think the other factor that plays into that as well is obviously you'll probably name a 30-man squad, which is what they do, a preliminary squad. Then you're obviously going to give players in those friendly games and the build-up to the World Cup minutes because perhaps or potentially they're not going to be selected in the 23-man squad. So you're always going to try and give minutes. So then you're losing balance and a bit of understanding in the game anyway. So he almost defeats the object of playing against the attack. Listen, I think it is a slight issue. But I get

else's point as well. The other side of it, Paul, is it's really difficult for England to do more than they are doing in that sometimes it does feel like the only way that everybody would be happy and excited about England is if it be everybody 5-0, which isn't really possible. It's always been the same, Steve, honestly, going back years and years and years. If you win as an England team, you're expected to. Lose or draw, and you leave yourself wide open for criticism. Even now you get to the point, we're all experts, we're all ex-England managers, we'd all love to be an England manager. We've all got on an appeal. as to who should play, who should be in the squad.

Whereas actually, when you look at what Thomas Tuchel's doing, he's got the results. He's, you know, he's keeping clean sheets, the winning games, and the progressing on the right path of what he wants to do. Everyone will have their opinion and it's easy to criticize. And like tonight, it wasn't lackluster, but it wasn't them at full tilt. It wasn't the same side that performed away in Serbia and played excellently well as a team and won 5-0.

It was different. It was a little bit clunky. It was disjointed. It wasn't fluid. We can always sit here unless they're going to win 5-0 like they did against Latvia like they did against Serbia we come away from there going oh wow yeah brilliant England have won 5-0 that's the only thing that pacifies people I was only listening back to your commentary on a berichiezer's goal in the f a cup final the other day you've just had the chance to commentate on an even better goal what what's a good time for him just to be reminding everybody if it's needed how special a player he is because

that's another position in the england team with a ton of competition yes it is yeah and it was interesting that he came on for Marcus Rashford because Thomas Tuchel has said that regarding the number tens that not everyone is going to go. So Bellingham, Rogers, Foden Gibbs White, Cole Palmer.

Not all of those players are going to be able to go to the United States next year. And as it came on for Marcus Rashford and I'm thinking well he clearly sees him on that left-hand side of the attack with then he's in competition with Rashford and Anthony Gordon who had it not been for a hip injury

had started the last three matches for England. And it's very clear now. You can start to see who's in competition with each other as you try to narrow down who will make that final cut. Obviously, nothing confirmed by FIFA, but we're imagining it's going to be a squad of 26. So he's got to get that balance right of the squad. He's not going to take all the number tens,

but Ezeter, the quality of the goal was just, it was sublime. We'd be very fortunate to see two quality goals from him and Saka this evening. And that, Phil, is the difference it feeds. between the kind of build-up to this World Cup and the build-up to probably every England tournament I can remember, actually. There has always been something, whether it's, is Joe Cole the right fit on the left-hand side

or who is going to be England's centre-back pairing in Russia or even up to the most recent Euros? There's always a position which feels weak. I'm not sure that is going to be the discussion this time. It's going to be who selected. Yeah. I think they've got a lot, a lot of strength and depth in every department. Real top class players in every position, two or three players, all Jocelyn and fighting for positions. Yes, there's probably players in that team now who have already sort of concreted their place in the team.

We'll probably tell that already. But there are a few positions up for grabs, i.e. the left back position, special mention for Nico O'Reilly tonight. I think, you know, for him personally, for his family to represent your country at the highest of levels. probably know the sacrifice that he's been on and had to take and the rise that he's had through Man City's Academy and now pet trust him at Man City and playing week in week out so I think the biggest compliment I can play him tonight was the fact that he looked really, really comfortable,

defended when he had to defend and looked really promising going forward linking up with Rarkas Rashford. So look, there's been a lot of positives, there's a lot of positives and like we said, there's always easy way out with England to talk about the negatives, but let's try and be positive going into the tournament in the summer. Steve, there's three positions up for grabs like Thomas, We keep going on about this eight, and I mean, what he said.

And when you look at the team that he's selected tonight, Esri Konzo was excellent, but I think Mark Gaii comes in alongside John Stones. John Stones and Mark Gai are his favoured centre halves. Rees James is in at right back. Anderson, Rice, Saka and Kane. The three positions for me, the number 10 roll, Morgan Rogers, Jude Bellingham. The left-hand side role, Marcus Rashford, Anthony Gordon, and the left back roll, which Nico Riley's put his hand up

and made a really good claim for that tonight. Those are the three positions for me, the 10 and the left-hand side. I've got that written down here. I've got left back, number 10 question mark, left side of the attack. And I agree with Phil as well. I think Nick O'Reilly, for his debut tonight, that was an assured performance,

and he's had a wonderful last few months. Under 21 call-up in August. Five-year deal for Manchester City in September. First senior call-up last month, and now he makes his England debut. He's playing ever so well for Manchester City. He's playing on a regular basis in the big games, and I think, given a run,

I mean, Tino Liveramento, when he's fit, he's going to come back into the equation, but O'Reilly has certainly done his chances, no harm whatsoever. It's funny, Ian, isn't it, that that left-back position, when you look at the options there, and Lewis Skelly, obviously, is another one as well, who comes into that conversation. When we were looking ahead to the most recent Euros in Germany, you know, it was, will Luke, sure, be fit, and also, can we deal with Karen Trippia playing out of position?

There has been no bigger change in the England team than the left-back position, I don't think. Well, yeah, I mean, Luke Shore, I think he's one of those players who you could consider unfortunate not to be in this squad. And I just think that that is an area that is definitely up for grabs. Louis Skelly is going to struggle, I think, because he's not getting regular game time at Arsenal. And he slipped down the pecking order at Arsenal. And Thomas Tuchel said last month, being a good citizen alone will not get you on the plane. You've got to be playing as much top-level games as you possibly can. and playing well to catch the eye of Thomas Tuchel.

And Louis Skelly, unfortunately, struggling. Yeah, well, speaking of England left backs, John Murray. I have with me, Nico O'Reilly, who made his England debut here tonight. And you've got a serious face, Nico. You must be absolutely as proud as punch. Yeah, I'm over the moon. Tonight was a very special night making my debut. Dream come true for me and my family.

So, yeah, I just want to thank everyone that's helped me get in. and yeah, just keep on working hard. Who did you have here tonight in the stands? Just family, my mom, stepdad, sister. So, yeah, for them to watch me play here at the Wembleau. Yeah, it's a crazy feeling. You were telling us last month that when you got the call up, that I think you said your mother was in shock

when you rang her up and told you, because it was a late call, wasn't it last month? Yeah, it was a late call last time. This time I was in the main squad. So, yeah, just keep building and building. When did you find out that you were going to be starting today? It was earlier on today actually Yeah we had a meeting

And the squad was announced and I was in the team And your emotions? Yeah, it was calm I was excited obviously Big big moment But yeah I was calm, level-headed And yeah we're just ready for the game You must feel that it's come at the right time

Yeah I mean everything Everything happens for a reason Comes at the right time So yeah no I'm just happy And you know playing against More Saler on Sunday where you acquitted yourself very, very well and now in the England team

on the Thursday night. What a time? Yeah, great times. Just take game by game, day by day and keep learning, keep working hard and just keep going. And the World Cup, I presume, is on your horizon? Yeah, it's a name of mine.

I'd love to be there. I mean, as I said, just keep working hard and, yeah, hopefully I'll be there. Well done tonight. Thank you. Well done. Nico O'Reilly, congratulations. As he moves off, very level-headed young man, Steve.

I thought so, yeah. Not getting carried away. Well, I was just looking at you, Phil, and thinking, what was your first post-England interview like? I can't even remember, but I remember my Blackburn one. I made my debut for Blackburn. That was a terrible one. Horrendous, but...

So was your debut, Jones. No, now, Paul. No, no, no. You were mad of the match on your debut. It was brilliant. Well, I didn't want to say, but yeah. Yeah. I think you were talking about the industry. of you.

No, but what I would say, forget me, going back to Nico Riley, I loved the sort of emotion he plays with. He's always controlled with his emotions for a young player to play in those magnitude of games like he talked about playing against Mo Salah last week. I think he's very, very, he's got that real good state of mind to play at, you know, he plays on the edge, but he's really calm and motionless. I really love to listen to the interview because it was so raw and authentic and he's young and he's excited, he's just trying to keep his emotions, emotions.

in check but listen really really pleased for him it's a special day for him his family and everyone connected yeah me and when john said you've got a serious face i could i could almost read the interview that was coming because you could imagine somebody sort of bouncing off the walls puppy dog style after an experience like that but you could hear in his voice that that's not him clearly no very very measured i i spoke to him when he was he was called up at st george's park last month And it can't be easy for somebody so young to all of a sudden having to deal with the media. I mean, it's part of parcel of the job these days. But he's quietly spoken, but also quietly confident as well.

He was telling me that Kevin DeBroner, not surprisingly, was his inspiration. But he's done very, very well tonight. It was a good debut. Bring more gear, carry more passengers, face greater challenges. Welcome to the world of Defender With seating up to eight, ample cargo space And legendary off-road capability It's built to make the most of every adventure.

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Some chicken. Better check it. Well done tonight. Another goal? Yeah, another goal. A nice one as well, so I'm happy with that one. Lovely technique, wasn't that? Well, I can say that, but you know, you made it look simple.

Yeah, yeah, it was a nice technique, nice strike, so yeah, a beautiful goal. What about the performance overall tonight? Yeah, it's a good performance, I think, you know, it was a tough game. For Serbia, it was everything for them. They needed to win, so they came with full aggression. But yeah, I thought we dealt with it well. We could have been more clinical, yes, but in the end we won two no and we can be happy. And it was a complicated game, wasn't it?

A tricky match. You're already qualified, and they've got everything. everything to play for. Yeah, but that shows how much we want it, you know, to come out here and match their hunger, even though we've really qualified. So like I said, we're happy with this result for sure. And a nice Arsenal double as well, wasn't it, with you scoring in the first half and Berritsa coming on and also a very nicely taken goal.

Yeah, two nice goals from two Arsenal players, so happy days, man. Lovely. Well done tonight, Bukayo. Congratulations. Off he goes. Bukayo Saka. Thank you, John. And we're going to see if we might just be able to get the England manager in the next few minutes.

Let's see. We might as well talk a little bit about him while we wait. Back at the squad announcement, he was asked, is there a bit of you that would think you would stay on beyond next summer? He said, yes, there is. It's a lot of fun, especially since we're on track in the last two camps. Nothing to announce at the moment, but I'm very happy with the way things are going, and the FA are quite happy with the way things are.

You know what I've noticed about him? He seems to be wearing, if you like, the England manager's jacket, quite lightly, which is a very hard thing to do. He's very intelligent, and I think he comes across really well. I actually quite like him. He gets the English sarcasm, the way he handles himself in press conferences, and the way that he's doing the job. And I think he's clever.

He understands the game with the media, with the press, with the public. And when he's asked about his future, there's no way he's going to turn around and say, no, that's it, I'm off after the World Cup, win or lose. You know, that's a conversation for further down the line. And yes, he's not going to say he's not enjoying it. They're in a great run of form. He's doing a great job. So to quash that, to keep the excitement, the interest around.

Of course, he's going to say he's enjoying it and he's going to stay. If he wins the World Cup, does he stay? I'm not so sure. It might be a mic drop moment for me. Just win the World Cup. There you go. That's what nobody else has managed to do? That's me, done.

Thank you very much. I mean, what else can he do after that? Obviously, there's the Euros, et cetera, and take the team on and develop the team. If that's what he wants to do, that's a conversation for after. I mean, he's been brought in on this short-term contract, ideally to win the World Cup. If he does, then there's a conversation. Has he got the hunger, desire to stay in international management,

to then develop an England team, regenerate an England team, and go again in the Euros. We can hear from the England manager with John Murray. Yes, here he is, Thomas Tuchel. Congratulations again. Thomas, seven wins out of seven, still not conceded. Did you like it tonight? Yeah, I liked it, it was difficult,

and it was sometimes a bit to open, and sometimes we had to defend with everything what we have, and sometimes we needed a bit of luck to force them to shoot wide, And all this belongs to football. It's good if not everything is easy and not everything goes in a 1-0-2-0-3-0. So we had to wait very long

until the decisive goal in the end to make it safe. And that's good for us. The effort was good. The first half, I was very happy with the first half. Second half, we didn't get the pressing. Always right. I need to check why.

And the game got a little bit too open because they escaped in their deep build-up against us and had then some faster tax that we could completely control in the first half. But well done, compliments to the back four. They had to work hard, physically work hard and be focused all the time because Serbia has individual quality and it's also a physical team and they came with new energy, so well done. You had us wondering whether you'd go Jude Bellingham or Morgan Rogers yesterday and... I had myself wondering. Did you? Yeah, yeah, of course. You went with Morgan Rogers.

You did go with the man in possession. And in its own way, because of what you said yesterday, there was a lot of pressure on Morgan Rogers, wasn't there? Well, it's normal, but he's one of the best mates of Jude, so I don't think he feels that kind of pressure. They compete at the moment for the same position. And they're still friends. This is absolutely possible.

And they're very respectful with each other and like each other. So, yeah, Morgan deserved to stay on the pitch because we had three fantastic performances with him. And second of all, we didn't know exactly what was coming if our plan was right for the high press. And then I had the feeling it would be maybe even a bit unfair towards Jude to figure everything out because we changed our way of pressing in the last two camps for the high press. And Declan and Morgan and Harry did it already in three, four matches together. so I figured they can maybe adapt a little bit quicker and once we see the formation

we can give clearer instructions to fill and shoot and bring them from the bench. And with Ford and you've had a look at him now playing in the Force 9 position. How viable do you think that is going to be going forward? Yeah, Phil is in good shape and Phil can make any team better in an offensive position in a central position

that's my belief and my trust and he's all smiles he's full of confidence and you see it in the first touches and in the movements I'm happy that he got straight away his assist the finishing for both goals

was outstanding so well done lovely goals from the Arsenal boys yes very good finishings from both of them difficult goals and well executed well done Thomas

thank you speak to you in Tirana thank you very much John Phil on that Rogers Foden Bellingham discussion that they were having there that is what makes life difficult for Morgan Rogers, isn't it? Because it's great that he's got the shirt, or he certainly did tonight.

You have to perform at an incredibly high level to keep out both Jude Bellingham and Phil Foden, though. Yeah, but that's football. That's football. And that's why you play at the highest level, because you're under scrutiny, competition like that, week in, week out. Morgan Rogers will know exactly what he's got to do to keep the shirt. Jude Bellingham will probably be thinking, well, I've got more than enough time to get that shirt back. And Phil Foden will probably be thinking, well, I'm playing well at the minute.

So why can't I get the shirt? So look, all three of them are terrific, terrific players. They can't all play, obviously. You can't just put your best players on the pitch and hope that they all gel and work together. It doesn't work like that. But all three are in really good form. And it's a position that, like the lads have said, is going to be interesting to see come the summer. Tuchel has actually said that he will not, in a current structure.

You will not have Foden, Bellingham and Kane playing together. Yeah, exactly. And what was the line up in the Euro final against Spain on the 14th of July? Foden Cain, Bellingham. Yeah. Well, we're not going to see that, but we're not much closer to working out who we are going to see.

Paul, Ian, thank you very much indeed. Paul Robinson and Ian Dennis with correspondent John Murray at Wembley Stadium. Phil, thank you. Thank you very much. Always a pleasure. It's been good fun. Phil Jones, former England man, of course,

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