Football Daily - England struggle past minnows Andorra in World Cup Qualifying

Episode Date: June 7, 2025

Maz Farookhi hosts reaction to England’s underwhelming 1-0 win vs Andorra at Espanyol Stadium that makes it 3 wins from 3 in World Cup Qualifying. She’s joined by former England goalkeeper Rob Green, former Manchester City and Tottenham midfielder Michael Brown, senior reporter Ian Dennis and correspondent John Murray. Also hear from England’s Morgan Rogers, Noni Madueke and manager Thomas Tuchel.15:26: Morgan Rogers 18:06: Noni Madueke 22:48: Thomas TuchelBBC Sounds/5 Live commentaries this weekMonday – 19:45 on 5 Live – Belgium v Wales – World Cup Qualifying Tuesday – 19:45 on 5 Live – England v Senegal – International Friendly

BBC Sounds music radio podcasts. The Football Daily podcast with Mast Verouki. Listen on BBC Sounds. Despite a very lacklustre performance, England eventually get the job done then in World Cup qualifying. Harry Kane's second half goal, meaning they've beaten Andorra 1-0 to make it three wins from three in World Cup qualifying and three wins from three for Thomas Tuchel. Joining me the former England goalkeeper, Rob Green, and in the Espanyol stadium in Barcelona the former Tottenham and Manchester City midfielder, Michael Brown and our senior

football reporter, Ian Dennis. Best thing we can say about that match, Michael Brown, is that it's over? Well it's a win, isn't it? Do you know, I think that's what you set off to do. You come, you win the game, you be as professional as you can. I think that was the message yesterday. It won't be as easy as what people think, although we do understand and look and the supporters certainly do that.

We should have been more convinced and there should have been more goals, more opportunities. And but I always felt it was a dangerous game and we weren't far away from it. So yeah, we move on. We look towards Tuesday and that's all we can do really. Because at 1-0 there was that chance for Andoran right at the end of the match as well, chances when it stayed within their hands to get something from this game, to get a famous goal and then just couldn't get the job done properly to get away of those nerves later on.

Yeah, it opened up, didn't it? Lopez driving through the centre of the pitch and you thought, is this going to be a monumental moment for Andorra to be never forgotten? And it obviously ran away, there was a block and it was a very, very small chance in regards to football terms, but for Andorra in regards to the areas that they get to it was a big chance so yeah it was there it was a scare for England but again from there on the reaction I felt like sometimes then they sort of said right we're just gonna sit on the ball we're gonna be professional we're gonna win the game and and move on I think that was the way they played towards the end of the game rather than to go on and see it off yes there was a

huge chance at the end Madawaki as it comes across and that Morgan gives white outside of the football But there will be a few murmurings There will be a few things regards to selection that Thomas Tuchel has done But I think we're gonna have to judge him over time Now it's three games in and and we see that he's still trying to set the tone I did mention as well. There was a week off from finishing the domestic league. I thought that was slightly dangerous, but I understand why that was. We've got players going away next week for the Club World Cup.

But overall, they won the game and let's try and put it to bed, as you've said. Tickle said yesterday there would be not a lot to win in terms of recognition or praise from outside. If you win it's normal and if not it's a big catastrophe. They did get the win Robert, they haven't won any praise and the boos at halftime and at full time demonstrated that from the fans as well. It was sufficient, just about wasn't it? It was enough and it felt like that. It had the feeling of a pre-season friendly look at the crowd the way that the atmosphere the heat Everything lent itself to an England team

sleepwalking through the game and that's what it felt like it did and you'd look at the team and the individuals within that side you say Right who took the game by the stroke off of the neck who did something? Different and Maduecki maybe a bit of Moga Robges, that was about it. And you look back at, immediately I thought of Tom Stoeckel at Chelsea and a lot of the games were like this where they had control and they kept the ball. What do you think the dressing room will be like Rob? Do you know when they go in there now, do you know what do you think that will be like when they all sit down? Will it be job done? Well done everybody. What would it be like?

That wasn't good enough but we've done enough. Let's move on, forget about it. No one will remember this when we start the World Cup. That's what they'll be thinking now. And it is that case. You look at the group and how it's set up and who they've got in the group. England are going to qualify. They're going to qualify for the World Cup. And you're looking at such a long season, guys. You know, however John said about eight, nine guys who are going to the club World Cup, their minds might already be moving on to that. So there's so much football between now and the World Cup. This will be dusted long gone and yeah, like you said, Michael, move on. We've got a couple of messages in to BBC Sport, the one saying, I think it's safe to say as

well, but just saying that most of these England players will be knackered having only just finished the domestic season. That's probably the reason for this tepid display. They're not machines. But somebody else pointing out that the Spanish and French players the other night played a match that was anything but tepid. So is a long season, is fatigue, is the miles that these footballers are putting in an excuse that we're able to give them? Rob?

I think you're looking long term as something that we talked about at the World Cup in Qatar. It's just the continual nature of it. And if you are looking for a reason not to put in 100%, then you can find it. And if you're looking, if you're playing against France or Spain, this would have been a completely different England side and a completely different performance Everything lent itself to a really incipient display and that's what we got To Tukal though set himself up for this He said we demand a win we demand a convincing win and of all the times they've played against and or whether it be under Steve McLaren

Fabio Capello or Gareth Southgate this is Andorra's best ever result against England. And indeed, in contrast to the underwhelming reaction from an England point of view, from an Andorran point of view, they were actually given a standing ovation from their thousand supporters who were down in front of us. And they could have nicked it through Lopez in the second half. England, in that sense, have got away with one. And yes, they are now top of the group K, three wins from three. it through Lopez in the second half. England in that sense have got away with one and yes

they are now top of the group K, three wins from three but Thomas Turkle will get criticism for this performance. It's not like they've just come into it with two days preparation, they've had a full week, they've been training down in Girona, they've had a full week, they've had eight training sessions. He's often talked about I'm going to bring the power, show the English football those traditional qualities. Didn't see any of that in the second half. Yeah, what did we make of the experiments, if we can call them that, from Thomas Tuchel in the starting 11? They certainly raised some eyebrows when we saw them. Curtis Jones at right back, but not really at right back. Rhys James at left back, but again, it was

more of a back three. But whatever it was it was in it didn't seem to work. No it didn't and also you know we were thinking at half time could we see a change where Curtis Jones goes it goes into the midfield to bring on Trent Alexander-Arnold and maybe take off Jordan Henderson at half time it was clear it wasn't working you had Rhys James as a right back playing on the left side he has said in the build-up to this game that he wasn't going to be swayed by the Club World Cup because as Rob quite rightly says there are nine players going out to that Club World Cup which starts next weekend whether they're from Chelsea, Real Madrid or Manchester City or Bayern Munich and he said we're just going to focus on the game we're going to play a serious team and then we'll think about the next

game against Senegal on Tuesday. So there was a degree of experimentation with this starting line-up, but I don't think it necessarily worked. I've got to say Jones played two great balls when he was in midfield, one that actually led to the goal, and I would like to see Jones in a more natural position. Yeah, it's interesting that we did line-up with so many what you'd call number 10s, don't we? I think there's about four in there that you could you could have as a number 10 and the space was out wide and you say we didn't play with any full backs though against the 5-4-1 those guys are going to be the ones with the space and the

time on the ball and be able to get the ball to the wide players in Madueke and Rodgers who can create that space, who can create something, who did in the game, they're the ones and yet we piled in the center and couldn't get the ball to Bellingham, couldn't get the ball to Cole Palmer and we go back to when Gareth Southgate was in charge and he's really reticent to do it at times and he did it one or two times in an experiment and it just did not work and Phil Foden came out flat in some games and other players in that creative role just didn't happen because it's so tight so you're feeling like you can put that one to bed i think we yes we control the game but you're going to do that against andora you want to play with natural width because that's where the space is well that jordan henderson you know a lot has been said

certainly from the last international break about the fact that he's got this leadership role to play within the England squad but obviously making his first start in this match for England. Do we see him having a big part to play as Tuchel builds towards all being well the Summer World Cup next year? He's got a big year hasn't he Jordan Henderson it's something from nothing I think I don't think even he was expecting it I spoke to him whilst Gareth Southgate was in charge and I said you know he'll still take you so that you're a host he'll still he'll take you with one I don't think even he was expecting it. I spoke to him while Garry Southgate was in charge and I said, you know, he'll still take you to the Euros. He'll still take you with one leg. Don't worry about it. And he didn't. And all the time you think, well, that's him done.

And all of it, he's been brought back in and you just wonder whether a move, whether getting him back into the Premier League will help him. I'm not sure what he would have learnt from today playing him in there. I don't think he'd have learned anything. Yes, he did his job.

It was fine. He controlled, helped control the game, but you're taking a cap away from someone else in there, maybe learning something about someone else. But as Jordan Henderson goes, it's one that you say a year is another one where it is such a long time between now and the World Cup. Yeah, Michael. He's 35 in 10 days time, Mas. So, you know, during the World Cup next summer, he'll obviously be turning 36.

Now, I think when it's a 26-man squad, as we saw with Conor Cody during the Euros, there is that ability to take maybe one player who can be, you know, good for the camarader within the group. And I think in that respect, Jordan Henderson is valuable, you know, with the dynamic within the group. They talked about how they lack leaders at the Euros last year. Jordan Henderson in that sense plays a role. So you can, I think,

now it's 26, if it was a 23-man squad I think you'd struggle but I think that there'll be that one available spot for somebody such as Jordan Henderson but as Rob says where's he going to be playing his football? Harry Kane's just been speaking as well to our TV colleagues saying it's one of those we could have played better but we can learn from it it's very hot here as in whether we're playing that this match in Barcelona but good prep for next summer and we'll move on I mean his goal his 72nd for England he's just so consistent in his national shirt and obviously a big player who Thomas Tuchel knows very

well and that's one of the rare positives from this match Ian. Yeah I mean there's not many. I think when you handed over and said you know the best thing is that the game is over that was probably one of the highlights as well, to be honest with you. But I think the performance of Madaweke for me, watching England stood out when he was first on the left and when he switched to the right, obviously he got the assist for the goal, but very, very few bright spots from an underwhelming England performance. No, I think Madaweke did well. I think he certainly adapted, getting better into key areas,

the confidence to go past people. But it's just one of these games. I think the opponents, maybe not necessarily when the guys finish the season and you're looking over the shoulder, going, right, we've got to go back with England and we talk about Spain, etc. We talk about other nations, about how they've gone into their games I just feel like I watched them walk onto the pitch I watched them walk yesterday then they walk into the stadium

There was nobody there and to get yourself up with that sort of temple that sort of belief that adrenaline running through I don't think they've been able to create it rightly or wrongly. That's their job. I feel like it's a difficult situation We've seen at times at the end of the season where we've seen England play Nations League after having time off and haven't really performed, they haven't come back to their best. And maybe that's a little bit where it's crept in. It's difficult to do, but mentally these players are asked. I know other nations are, but if the game was a bit stronger, I feel like it would have been a different performance.

So going on to Henderson, I feel like he's very much a worthwhile member of the squad. Can he play 90 minutes in top games? I probably would say no and people ask well why is he in the squad but overall what he brings to the group day in day out when the meeting the manager will be using him as a sponge to give him everything he possibly can to make his armoury a lot better and Thomas Tuca will be leaning on the senior players so I think he did well in his performance, I feel like he had some good long balls, he wanted the ball, he wanted to link so I don't think we can be too critical of Jordan Henderson in today's performance.

I've got a few fives for you. Four years ago England beat Andorra 5-0, since then they've only ever lost 5-0 once so it's just not that team anymore. They're not that side that gets battered by everybody. They're not them. They lose a lot of games but it's ones and twos and maybe the odd three here and there. They lost 5-0 to Spain. That's it in four years. And also I think what makes a massive difference and Harry Kane touched on it there with the heat. You're allowed five subs and there's so much more organised Andorra in smaller countries now that when they make the change they're not, they're bringing on players who are drilled,

who are disciplined, who know what they're doing and so it lends itself to changing half a team and so you're coming on against a team that's fresh in the second half or half a side that's fresh. So I think there is some sort of credence in there to say what Harry Kane's saying is is that it is tough to to create stuff against a side and especially one where he allowed to make so many subs but again still it wasn't great. One thing that Thomas Tuchel has repeatedly said over and over is how limited time he's got to work with these players on the training pitch. I've got the X number of training sessions and so on before next summer. Given therefore that he had all week with these players, did we not think

that we should expect to see more from them today despite the fact that I know a lot of these players have had really really long intense seasons and the mental fatigue as much as the physical fatigue. Is it unfair of us to expect more? I think us to expect more? I think you can expect more from a creative front because realistically, you're only playing in the opposition's half. We're not going back, we're not chasing back and forwards.

I think we could create more. I do think that the system lends itself, we're very, very, very narrow. Ernie lends itself to Maddowekki maybe creating something on his own. Rodgers maybe linking up with Jones and creating something maybe as the bright sparks. Other than that not a lot and there wasn't that much sort of interaction or change amongst the players to go and say let's get ourselves

out wide and let's create overloads out wide. That's where the difference was and we didn't see enough of it. So yeah, you've got limited time. The Euroleagues on the Football Daily. Thursdays on the Football Daily join the Euroleagues team as we bring you the latest from across the continent with a host of top European football journalists. Come to do an interview with him and normally it's an hour chat. He comes in and says, what are you looking forward to having for an hour? He says, no, it's not going to be an hour. We've got a show to do.

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Oh, yeah, the conditions were tough, but that's what you've got to deal with. You come to these hot countries and, yeah, it can be a bit of a test, but we've been training all week and that, so we're kind of getting used to it and we've got a World Cup next summer to prepare for and that's going to be the same so we're getting ready to it and getting used to it and it's got to perform under the circumstances. And for the match today, not the big win, not the handsome win that you'd have been hoping for? No, of course not. These games are always difficult, the way teams set up to try and

stop our threats and we're trying to combat that constantly throughout the game and they're the difficulties you find in football. We've got the job done first and foremost, we've won the game, which is the objective and the goal. Of course we'd like more goals, maybe a bit more free-flowing and that's something we're going to work on and improve, but you have to start the game to win it and we've done that so they're still positive to take but of course there's improvements and yeah we'll look back at it tomorrow we'll go through it as a team we'll know we need to improve and yeah we'll hold each other accountable in terms of what we need to do as an individual as a collective to improve but ultimately we've won the game so we can be still happy that that's the case.

Yes you've won the game you've got three points in the group and what about the the the whole week? You know you've had a week together, that's the longest spell so far under Thomas Tuchel, what's that been like? Yeah, obviously getting used to the conditions, getting used to how I wanted to play in this game and just trying to, the man just trying to get his ideas across to the players and get the best out of everyone and we were trying to learn and trying to improve as well and yeah it's been really good, a really hard week, a tough week of training but really good. We're trying to show it on the pitch, we probably didn't quite show it at all times but that's the beauty of football and we've got another game to try and show what we're about again so we just keep going.

You're in the early stages of your England career but would you be confident that there is much better to come under this manager? Yes, 100 per cent. It's just the start. We've got different ideas, different identity that we want to play and each opposition poses a different threat and we've got loads of bags of quality, bags of talent in the dressing room so it's just about utilising all of that to the best of our ability and playing with each other, generally with each other, it all takes time. We've not got no rush but at the same time we don't want to waste these games because we know we want to push and improve and we've got an objective to get

to and we'll do that. So we'll just keep working hard and keep trying to improve and learn off the manager. Morgan Rogers, thank you very much. And I'm going to nimbly just move you out of the way and move Nonny Madueke in to take your place. You heard what Morgan said there, I guess you'd probably agree with that. Oh yeah, of course. This is personally my first camp under him, I missed the last one. But yeah, first I think a couple of camps and we haven't lost yet, we haven't conceded yet if I'm right. So I feel like it's definitely ground to optimism. Today wasn't as everyone would have hoped in terms of the amount of goals we scored,

but we've won the game and we move on. You'd be pleased with your contribution? Yeah, no, my job is to create and score goals and I was able to create one today, so I'm pleased. What have you made being up close with Thomas Tuchel as the England manager? Yeah, he's very intense, very clear with what he wants to get across to the players. He has high standards and he doesn't allow anyone to drop under those and I think that's the kind of coach that's going to benefit England for sure. So clearly demanding more than this?

Yeah, no, for sure. Listen, we're not stupid. We know that the scoreline isn't the one that we wanted to have at the end of the day, but I feel like there were good parts of the performance and it's not all doom and gloom. I feel like there are definitely positives to take, but for sure we wanted to score more goals and that's obviously obvious. Three wins out of three in the group though and well done to you today. Thank you. Noni Madweke, back to you, Mas. Thank you, John. That's a correspondent, John Murray, Noni Madweke, before that Morgan Rogers as well.

Rob Green, Michael Brown, Ian Dennis still with me. A couple of bits that really stand out from that, Michael. Thomas Tuchel is very intense and he spent the week trying to get his ideas across. I mean it's clear he has a particular blueprint that he's trying to get these England players to follow. Well he does and you know he's intense, you know he's demanding and you know what his target is. It's not about today, it's not about next week, it's about that summer and that's the build-up and that's when we're going to judge him. I think it's a hard one to take because of the outcome but

we look and we say well they met up on Sunday they had a day together traveling and a little bit of a social event so they had Monday Tuesday on the grass I think they had Wednesday off and Thursday Friday so it's four sessions so we say a week and we say you can put loads of detail into that but still he's had four sessions with the group and and he's still learning he's still trying to get his group and he's still learning, he's still trying to get his message across, he's still trying to see which his best system is. Imagine collecting all of these players, the riches that we have

and being able to find a solution straight away is not going to happen, it's going to take him time to find those answers against different personnel and we haven't really been tested yet with better personnel to actually find better outcomes so he's still experimenting, he's still having a look and we've just got to stick with him. I just think we can't be too negative and I think we've got to be dangerous as a nation when we do it. We are quite vocal, we are passionate and that's what we want but let's give him a chance, let's get behind him as I'm sure we will and these younger players as well. Denos

mentioned again, in regards to three of the senior players, the amount of caps but then after that there's still a learning curve for lots of the rest. And your point, Mass, about the time, just for context, he was saying yesterday that he's had half a year as the England manager but he's only actually had eight training sessions and four of them were this week and for context that's not even a probably a full week, eight sessions for you know if you're a club manager in preseason now my counter argument to that would be well you signed your contract in October you missed valuable time with the games

against Greece and Ireland in November you didn't have to wait till January to come in as the England manager but he did and therefore it was something like 60 days preparation before the World Cup so I think if England qualified for the World Cup which they should that the key game will be the away match in Serbia later on in the year but when the World Cup starts certainly we will not be talking about this performance here in Spain. I think you're looking at the games that are coming up as well and Dana you just touched on it there, Serbia. There's very few really challenging games you know against the top teams up until we go into the

Friendlies for the World Cup so it's gonna be in games like this and we're looking at two guys coming out to interview being interviewed there Morgan Rodgers, Nani Madueke. No surprise they came out the two bright sparks in the 11th. Possibly if you said if England had their best 11 out they wouldn't be playing. So it's still a long way to go for this manager against teams where you're thinking where is it going to make a difference? Where are we going to go? Where have we fallen short? We've fallen short in the finals. Well I'm not sure how much we're going to learn between now and the final. Let's get some

more reaction. John Murray is with the England boss, Thomas Tuchel. I am. Thomas Tuchel has just strode into this room. You said to us yesterday, Thomas, you warned us not to over-expect from this match. You were right to do that, weren't you? I didn't mean it like this but in the end I felt us frustrated and I felt us with a lack of attitude especially in the last 25-30 minutes which I didn't like at all. So yeah I said it because I didn't want to create an atmosphere where we get frustrated easily when things are not just going our way but I liked the first 25 minutes. I don't know

why we completely lost our momentum, our speed, our determination to keep on going. So the last 20 minutes went just by without any urgency in our game. Then came another 15 minutes that were okay and the last half an hour I don't like it all because I think we lacked everything that is needed in a World Cup qualifier. There's a lot to get better and at the moment everything is a learning. We're smarter than before, we have the minimum points we have in our pocket and we will talk about it honestly and directly and try to do it better. Has that surprised you that that happened? Yes, it surprised me, especially because we started well and to let the game slip like this.

I'm surprised because we created an XG of three and underperformed with a one goal. That is very surprising because in these matches it's normally very usual that you over perform you have a XG of three and you score five you have XG of two and you score four to have an XG of three and score one just shows me that we were not precise enough and we lack of quality in the last pass lack of quality in finishing yeah that's normal my assessment You did say on your appointment that you wanted your England team to have lots of energy, play Premier League style football. It shows that Rome isn't built in a day.

Absolutely. It is in the moment of learning. It's our second camp. I think we can do much better. We have to do much better, all of us, it includes me. From there we go, in the moment we have nine points and on Tuesday we have a very strong opponent to do things better. Always takes two to tango but we need to do better and breaking down deep opponents.

We played now three times against a 5-, one, but there are no excuses. The lack of counter pressing, the lack of ball wins and the lack of being aggressive in duels is basic in football. If we don't show this, then it becomes more or less a game that we saw, which is not attractive, which does not have the quality that we wish and that we want to show to our supporters who were absolutely amazing and outstanding. So there's a lot to do and from there we go. And you tried different things, Rhys James in that position, Curtis Jones pushing forward from right back.

Just out of interest, why Jordan Henderson in midfield today, not Declan Rice? Well why not? Declan looked a little bit out of rhythm, I have to say. Everyone knows that I love Declan and I think Jordan deserved to play, so it was not a major issue. I think it was also for what Jordan brings to this group in the last two camps well deserved. We decided to play in a 3-1, very offensive, with six offensive positions against a deep block. It started well and lost the rhythm and lost the precision and lost then also the energy in the game to be more decisive and score more goals. That's the story of the game and these were the decisions. So is this one that you forget about and pack it away or actually is this one that you really don't forget?

Yeah, I don't forget because there's not so many matches. So it's necessary that we have a good look at it and present in detail to the players what we don't like and present it in a video session, what we have to do better and what are the standards and what we did good. So no, no, no, it's not a day where we just say, OK, we have the result and let's keep on going. We have not enough time to do this. We have not enough matches to do this, we have not enough matches to do them. Thanks Thomas, we'll see you back in England. Thank you John Murray with the England boss Thomas Tugel there, he gives very different post-match interview vibe than Gareth Southgate used to do Ian Dennis.

Well he's extremely honest, I mean I think that line about Declan being out of rhythm, but the thing is, is that whatever he says to the media he says exactly to the same of the players in the dressing room I mean that was a very very honest answer you know he's talked about a lack of attitude didn't like the the last half an hour he said he was surprised he's often talked in about quality focus and hunger and he wants those players in the training to show that those those principles he wants them to be committed he wants them to show everybody themselves that they're happy to be there and be committed to what

they're trying to build that's what he wants from the players and if you see any signals that he doesn't like then he'll quite come out and tell those players and tell the media too so yeah very very honest. What was it? He liked the first 25 minutes but then wasn't happy how they lost momentum. I don't think you can argue with anything he said. What this does do, this performance today, and not the result obviously England have got the 1-0 win, but what this does do performance wise, it has put pressure then on the friendly against Senegal on Tuesday, Michael.

Yeah, it does, but it shouldn't, should it? Because it's a friendly, it's an opportunity for players for a change around again. But like he said, he's running out of dates. So he's got to be honest. He's got to be quite frank with certain things. It did surprise me a little bit when he he actually said about Declan Rice being out of rhythm. That surprised me. I'm not sure we've ever really seen a question said about Declan Rice being out of rhythm. That surprised me. I'm not sure we've ever really seen a question mark over Declan Rice in

sort of preparation or performance, unless he is carrying something we don't know. I think he was right, wasn't he? Last 30 minutes, like the speed, the tempo. That's when we felt like they would have kicked on and had much more of a convincing ending to the game. But he needs to act fast. He needs to get the message across and he needs to find a formula. It's going to take time, I think the excitement as I've mentioned and that sort of adrenaline kicks in with the better

opponents and we're sort of going into it nicely with the opponents that we're getting. It's given him time to have a look but the intensity and that sort of level of performance must increase quickly and he's going to go for it and he's going to be honest and he's going to upset a few, which rightly or wrongly is going to come their way. Thanks to Rob Green, Michael Brown and Ian Dennis for joining us on the Football Daily. We'll have commentary of England's friendly with Senegal live from the City Ground on Tuesday night on Five Life Sport. On BBC Sounds, this is sports strangest crimes. From the man who tried to buy crickets.

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